Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay
Hi Rochelle: I went to the Midwifery Today site but couldn't find the article in question on Gloria Lemay. I am familiar with her reputation as I have recently returned from the United States after living there for some 24 yrs. Gloria is one of the icons of North American home birth midwifery. This however does not mean she is without blemish neither does it mean she is blemished. Since I couldn't access the article, I don't know what she is accused of. What I do know is that Gloria has publically disagreed with the BC College of Midwives on their midwifery registration requirements. It is only in the last 10 years or so that midwifery has become legal in BC. In the process they have rather intense requirements for registration, some of the midwives who had practiced for years unregistered expected or lobbied to have previously practising midwives grandmothered into registration. This did not happen and many were required to undergo further education or at least supervision by registered midwives. I believe that Gloria was one who disagreed with this. She refused to apply for registration and worked at a birth attendant as it became illegal for her to call herself a midwife under BC law. I have read many article swritten by her that seemed pretty amazing to me. However since I couldn't access the article I can't comment any further. Also, all listers please note this is just my personal recollection of Gloria Lemay's situation in BC Canada. marilyn - Original Message - From: Timothy Haughan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay Dear List, I am a Mum to a happy, healthy 17 month baby girl. We had a wonderful natural birth experience in a regional hospital with an Obstetrician whom I hold in high regard; he was patient, respectful and receptive to our detailed birth plan. We also had our fantastic and very knowledgeable CBE present whosupported me like some kind of Earth Angel throughout the entire birth process and the ensuing weeks. In fact, it is she who inspired me to pursue a life serving women as a CBE and possibly a midwife. Recently, I was surfing the net and was amazed at the incredible reserve of information devoted to Midwifery. One particular site caught my eye - www.midwiferytoday.com I am seeking input in relation to one particular post on this site pertaining to the Gloria Lemay case. Apparently, Gloria, a Canadian midwife, is serving a prison sentence as a reseult of legal action initiated by the British Columbian College of Midwives. Representatives of this college alleged that Gloria had been negligent while assisting in a number of births. Apparently her demise, resulting in her imprisonment, was largely the result of one particular case - this case being the subject of this email. This post was written by Marc Ramsden, the partner of the plaintiff. Marc gives his account of the events leading up to, and during, the birth of their baby son. Based on his version of events, one finds it difficult to reserve any sympathy for Gloria Lemay's cause. I think thatGloria's actions, if what Marc says is accurate, constitute gross misconduct and negligence. Butdespite thehorrorof the events described, I cannot help feeling perplexed. Further investigation of this case, via other web sites, reveals a significant level of support for Gloria Lemay. It is explained that Gloria has caught over 1000 babies (in a career spanning approx 20 years)and that many of her past clients have been more than happy with her services. Further, I learnt that Lemay has alarge following worldwide within the midwifery movement. How then, cansuch a highly respected and experienced proponent of midwifery be accused of acts that are so obviously negligent. Are the facts presented by MarcRamseden inaccurate? Did Gloria burn out and thereforeactout of character? Or is this a witch hunt? How is Gloria Lemay perceived in Australian birth circles? Please read the post in question at theaforementioned site; go to All Forums, then Legal Battles and Birth Politics, then go to Midwife Gloria Lemay's Legal Battles,and finally the entry by Marc (7:17, 16th August) on page 3. I will appreciate any further input on this issue. Thankyou Rochelle
Re: [ozmidwifery] story help
Dear Michelle, As a faithful listener to the J's, particularly the morning show, I have often thought about the number of stories that are relevant to young women particularly those having children. I regularly offer the placenta to the parents after birth, most don't wish to take it home and those who do say that they are going to plant a tree on it or something similar. It is a shame that more people don't recognise the amazing job that it does, just ask Dr Karl! Have you asked Francis what they did with theirs? Apart from placentas, there are many other great stories, There is a community based midwifery program over that way which is a great model for what all australian women deserve. When you compare New Zealands system to our maternity care, we are in the dark ages. There is a National Maternity Action Plan that is available on the web which addresses these issues. Another interesting topic is the role/benefits of midwifery care. Countries such as Holland have outstanding maternal and infant mortality and morbidity statistics as they have midwives as primary care givers. Countries which are just as well off such as Australia and America where Dr's are the primary care givers, don't have the same rates of favourable outcomes. Breastfeeding benefits, how it is undermined by media and big companies such as Nestle is also interesting. People think that bottlefeeding is just as good but health wise there is just no match for breastfeeding. Big companies such as Nestle love third world countries where they can advertise formulas and con people into thinking that bottle feeding is as good as Mc Donalds and Coca Cola. Then the babies get dysentry from the poor water supply etc etc, And don't get me started on the Phytoestrogens in the Soya based formula's Anyway if you are ever short on story ideas just let us know, and please tell us when the placenta story is on Thanks Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/08/2002 11:32:25 am Hello, My name is Michelle White. I'm a journo with Triple J's Morning Show. I'm hoping someone on this website might be able to help me out with a story I'm doing. I'm really interested in doing a piece about parents who choose to eat the placenta after they've given birth. I've heard lots of anecdotal stories about how it's supposed to prevent post natal depression and how it's common amongst certain cultures, but am having trouble finding someone who has actually done it. I'm also wondering if there's someone out there who is an 'expert' on the subject ? Any help would be greatly appreciated ! Warm Regards. Michelle. (08) 9 220 2582 (Perth office) or reply to this email! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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hi all on list..i am a new midwife ( well reasonably new, i finished my graduate year last year ) and look forward to reading and interacting with all of you..i am an older graduate but have felt called to midwifery for a long time.. hopefully i will have something to contribute as well as learn from all of you.. cheers for now annie MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] newcomer
hi list..i'm a reasonably new midwife..having trouble with my computer so if this is the second message from me i apologise.. i look forward to reading and interacting with you all..hopefully i will have something to contribute as well.. i am an older graduate but feel that i have finally found my place with midwifery..i have made some interesting observations as an older grad that i hope to share as the topics come up..cheers for now annie Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] newcomer
Welcome Annie - from one late bloomer to another. Hope you enjoy the forum. Kind regards, Lois Wattis www.birthjourney.com - Original Message - From: annie k To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] newcomer hi list..i'm a reasonably new midwife..having trouble with my computer so if this is the second message from me i apologise.. i look forward to reading and interacting with you all..hopefully i will have something to contribute as well.. i am an older graduate but feel that i have finally found my place with midwifery..i have made some interesting observations as an older grad that i hope to share as the topics come up..cheers for now annie Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay
Dear List, Just clarifying the details of the Web site mentioned in my previous email. Take the following steps; First, go to www.midwifery.com On the left hand side of the home page is a blue menu. Within this menu is a heading, 'Community' and immediately under this heading is a sub-heading, 'Forums'. Click on 'Forums' Then scroll downand click on'Legal Battles and Birth Politics' A heading appears, 'Midwife Gloria Lemay's Legal Battles' Immediately under this heading is, 1 2 3 4 Click on 3. Finally, click on post headed Marc-Dov anddated16th August, 7:17 (15th entry from top). Thankyou Marilyn for your reply. Hope this helps. Regards Rochelle
Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay
Hi Rochelle: I am trying to figure out if it is the midwifery today site or my computer, but I was stuck at "forum" after clicking on it for 20 minutes and didn't get any further. I will try again later. marilyn - Original Message - From: Timothy Rochelle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:36 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay Dear List, Just clarifying the details of the Web site mentioned in my previous email. Take the following steps; First, go to www.midwifery.com On the left hand side of the home page is a blue menu. Within this menu is a heading, 'Community' and immediately under this heading is a sub-heading, 'Forums'. Click on 'Forums' Then scroll downand click on'Legal Battles and Birth Politics' A heading appears, 'Midwife Gloria Lemay's Legal Battles' Immediately under this heading is, 1 2 3 4 Click on 3. Finally, click on post headed Marc-Dov anddated16th August, 7:17 (15th entry from top). Thankyou Marilyn for your reply. Hope this helps. Regards Rochelle
[ozmidwifery] BendigoI nfo
Does any one know if or what happened to: Bendigo Hospital, has an Action Research Project to develop a midwifery service delivery model. Goal and objectives focus on womens choices and greater job satisfaction for midwives. ??Denise Hynd
[ozmidwifery] What happened to??
The freestanding private Hawthorn Birthing Centre in Melbourne with an international reputation for its waterbirth and other midwifery options, operating since 1998 ?? Anglis Hospital (Dandenongs) has a pilot study caseload programme. ??? DOES Denmark District Hospital STILL HAVE a Home Birth Programme operating from the hospital since April 1995 funded by the hospital for women living within a 25km radius. There are strict entry criteria to the service as the nearest hospital, which can do a LUSCS, is 50 km away. Meanwhile the hospital birthing room has does waterbirths.?? Does Cairns Base Hospital use a team basis for all midwifery care. ?? Denise Hynd
Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay
I tried too and couldn't get the page at all. Maybe it is temporarily "down"?
[ozmidwifery] Mavis Kirkham???
Hi fellow listers. would anyone on the list have an email contact for Mavis Kirkham please thanking you in advance... Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Bachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
[ozmidwifery] Caesarean complications
In the West Australian newspaper this morning is a small paragraph on page 4 "news in brief" reporting that a woman in Waitakere (NZ) CAUGHT FIRE possibly from flamable swabbing solution, during a C/S in the last few days. She is resting comfortably(?) with burns to her lower body. Her baby boy was unhurt. I am speechless! MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mavis Kirkham???
Hi Tina, Yes, you can contact Mavis : [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW - she will be a speaker on next year's Future Birth program (April 2003), along with Caroline Flint, Dr Tracy Reibel and Vanessa Owen. It is going ot be a very important progam for midwives and midwifery Cheers Andrea At 09:11 19/08/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi fellow listers. would anyone on the list have an email contact for Mavis Kirkham please thanking you in advance... Yours in birth, Tina Pettigrew Birthworks Bachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective [EMAIL PROTECTED] As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth Harriette Hartigan. --- - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] story help
Hi, no, I am from Tassie. I know of another Julia Monaghan but she is in New Zealand. Cheers, Julia M. Julia Monaghan, Are you the Julia from Whyalla? Cheers Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mavis Kirkham???
In a message dated 19/08/02 9:40:16 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tina, Yes, you can contact Mavis : [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW - she will be a speaker on next year's Future Birth program (April 2003), along with Caroline Flint, Dr Tracy Reibel and Vanessa Owen. It is going ot be a very important progam for midwives and midwifery Cheers Andrea Cool Thank you Andrea.sounds wonderful...I saw Mavis at the ACMI conference in Brisbane last year and she was just fantastica wonderfully inspirational and thought provoking speaker Thanks for the contact address... yours in birth Tina
Re: [ozmidwifery] Caesarean complications
Hi Mary, It is in the SMH too - I wondered if it was an April Fool's joke. A new hazard of C/Sec to add to the long list! Cheers Andrea At 09:18 19/08/2002, Mary Murphy wrote: In the West Australian newspaper this morning is a small paragraph on page 4 news in brief reporting that a woman in Waitakere (NZ) CAUGHT FIRE possibly from flamable swabbing solution, during a C/S in the last few days. She is resting comfortably(?) with burns to her lower body. Her baby boy was unhurt.I am speechless! MM - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] What happened to??
Yes Denise Denmark Hospital are still doing homebirths though I think they had a short spell where they put the service on hold, my latest info says they are offering the service at the moment, regards pete -Original Message-From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 10:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] What happened to?? The freestanding private Hawthorn Birthing Centre in Melbourne with an international reputation for its waterbirth and other midwifery options, operating since 1998 ?? Anglis Hospital (Dandenongs) has a pilot study caseload programme. ??? DOES Denmark District Hospital STILL HAVE a Home Birth Programme operating from the hospital since April 1995 funded by the hospital for women living within a 25km radius. There are strict entry criteria to the service as the nearest hospital, which can do a LUSCS, is 50 km away. Meanwhile the hospital birthing room has does waterbirths.?? Does Cairns Base Hospital use a team basis for all midwifery care. ?? Denise Hynd
[ozmidwifery] C/S Rates
Dear all, Is there any way in which a state's Private Hospitals Caesarean Section rate can be accessed legitimately. I recall that Marsden Wagner's visit in the 90's caused a stir because he was able to access this information and report it. Has this changed in any way? How did he get this information? I noticed Mary Murphy's posting and was shocked by the 12% increase in C/S rates in one year. Also is there any way to access the total % of people taking up private insurance within individual states from one year to the next? Cheers, Jackie Doolan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing / slogan
Dear all : The discussion about hypnosis and labour is interesting. I think it is so important that women feel that they have everything they need to take the journey through birth, without needing outside 'help'. I am just concerned about the emphasis on labour being pain-free, and thereby the association that experiencing pain in labour is a failure. (I am not suggesting that you are inferring this, Tracey). I have not been in on the slogan debate, and maybe it is over - but I would like to ask that we maybe steer clear of the "push" word. For women it evokes the breathe-hold-push your eyeballs out kind of thing they see on the telly - and I guess the slogan is being aimed at everyone. Instead maybe, 'opening the way to birth reform'. Just ideas, Jen Watkins. - Original Message - From: Tracey Askew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing I work with a women who teaches the technique to women and their partners, and has had mixed success. When it works, it is incredible to see how effortless labour can be and has succeeded in preventing interference on many occasions, when the onlookers think that labour has stopped when in fact it is progressing beautifully. In its purest form, some practitioners say that it can be used with anyone but it requires asolid belief and an ability to let go of the fear of labour. External coaching seems to be important for most people, to access that very deep state of relaxation. It tells us alot about the power of breathing and relaxation, but I think unfortunately the fear factor gets in the way and I wonder if there needs to be more emotional work done prior to labour. None the less, it is worth looking into and would be a worthwhile skill for any midwife. My third birth was pain free, as I (unknowlingly) placed myself in a hypnotic state, and next thing I was pushing. It was incredible. Tracey Anderson Askew -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Debby MSent: Friday, 12 July 2002 4:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing I have just started reading a book on "hypno birthing" which is a form of self-hypnosis through relaxation and visualisation. The concept sounds wonderful but it is an American book and I was just wondering if anyone has experienced this first hand or supported a woman who has tried it in labour - and what did you think/ how did you find it? Debby Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Further to C/Section
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Further to C/Section Mary our womens hospital, being WA? I would be interested in the stats In solidarity Justine Caines I have been reading the latest stats for our womens hospital and find the figures alarming. In the public sector (lots of high risk) the figures for last year, C/S are about 26% and instrumental and induction are high but understandable to some degree. What alarms me is that in the private sector of that same hospital (same wards, midwives, doctors) the c/s rate was well over 50% last year and for this year to date is 62%. Now, if the government is encouraging families to take out private insurance then this risk factor for complicated birth will sure do more harm than good to the budget? not to say- the women? Maybe the Pollies aren't aware of this fact? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] C/S Rates
In NSW the annual Mothers and Babies Report is available on the government website. It makes very interesting reading, not just C/S rates, but inductions, spontaneous labour rates, 3rd degree tears, agesetc. LOUISE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 19 August 2002 12:00:12 PM To: Oz midwifery (E-mail) Subject: [ozmidwifery] C/S Rates Dear all,Is there any way in which a state's Private Hospitals Caesarean Section rate can be accessed legitimately. I recall that Marsden Wagner's visit in the 90's caused a stir because he was able to access this information and report it. Has this changed in any way? How did he get this information? I noticed Mary Murphy's posting and was shocked by the 12% increase in C/S rates in one year. Also is there any way to access the total % of people taking up private insurance within individual states from one year to the next?Cheers,Jackie Doolan--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
RE: [ozmidwifery] What happened to??
I believe the Hawthorn Birthing Centre is still operating. I have a friend booked in there for September. Maureen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denise HyndSent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:56 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] What happened to?? The freestanding private Hawthorn Birthing Centre in Melbourne with an international reputation for its waterbirth and other midwifery options, operating since 1998 ?? Anglis Hospital (Dandenongs) has a pilot study caseload programme. ??? DOES Denmark District Hospital STILL HAVE a Home Birth Programme operating from the hospital since April 1995 funded by the hospital for women living within a 25km radius. There are strict entry criteria to the service as the nearest hospital, which can do a LUSCS, is 50 km away. Meanwhile the hospital birthing room has does waterbirths.?? Does Cairns Base Hospital use a team basis for all midwifery care. ?? Denise Hynd
Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened to??
Hi Denise, I completed my Midwifery course last year and had the pleasure of being present when one of the midwives from this Centre came to speak with us. She said that they had to close because their obstetrician was in his 70s and had to retire. The Centre was not allowed to remain open without an obstetrician on hand who supported them. They could find NO ONE who would stand in for them. The old ob apparently was fantastic... he supported the idea of midwifery led care, and stayed upstairs, out of the way unless he was called. It sounded like such a wonderful way to havea baby :( Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] What happened to?? The freestanding private Hawthorn Birthing Centre in Melbourne with an international reputation for its waterbirth and other midwifery options, operating since 1998 ??
