RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Thanks Vicki, Would love to see it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great effort! Tracey -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 4:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops
Hi Pinky, Could I have details of your workshop/talk in Albury please? Thanks, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:32 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Megan, So far, I am heading to talk in Albury on 26 sept. Am getting quite a few invites and referring some to my agent as lots of time organising required -travel is tricky among mothering/ working etc but I will consider if there is a group of interested mums and expenses covered. Pinky - Original Message - From: Larry Megan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Pinky, do you ever travel with your workshops. I'm in Adelaide and would love to take part in one. Megan. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patricia Mc kaySent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 2:33To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi After all the talk of public liabilityI now find myself being asked to provide public liability coverage for workshops !! I need to do this to use the venue - has brought home how accepted is seems to be for people not to accept personal responsibility for their choices/ actions. Will be putting the full outline on my website in a few days, but am holding a toddler wweekend workshop and a series of Gentle Beginnings as follows: Gentle Beginnings Discover gentle parenting options including how to calm and connect with your baby and enhance infant development naturally without pressure, as well as how to nurture yourself and your partner relationship. Gentle Beginnings, a series of six weekly workshops for parents or parents-to-be with Pinky McKay , author of Parenting By Heart and 100 Ways to Calm the Crying commences 10.30am Tuesday 15 October at Wyreena Community Arts Centre, Croydon. Cost $80 (incl GST). No extra charge for partners. Bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone (03)98011997.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Dear Vicki, I would love an email copy to peruse and please sent cost info too. I have just the place to hang it! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Edwina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki Chan Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 3:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] training of Ambo's
I train the Ambo volunteers here in thewest - as I am passionate in home birthing, not only are theyall well versed in home birthing practices and have also seen these techniques in practice - two born half way to the major hospital, BUT they all are advocates for natural birthing. As a voli myself, we are told in 5 minutes how to "catch" a baby and leave the placenta alone!!!. But not some of the icky situations you may have. Sorry I have toramble here- onone of the birthsI had in the back of an ambo, I had the lady breast feeding to encourage the uterus to clamp down.As soon as the lady was transferred into a hospital bed - the baby was taken away for septic screening and she was given a drip and synto as she may bleed. I was so angry I just walked out. There we had a most beautiful birth in the scrub and it ended up a clinical nightmare Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
[ozmidwifery] NCAD
Just wanted to let everyone know that the picnic in Rymill Park today, to mark NCAD was fantastic. Thanks to Jo, Carolyn and Emma for your ongoing dedication and hard work with CARES. Well done!! Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Vicki, (re poster) My email address would be helpful sorry, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thanks Zena - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Dear vicki, Would love to see a copy of the poster. With thanks.. Zena Coote, Clinical Midwife, Delivery Suite, Women's and Children's Hospital, North Adelaide. Please Email my home. - Original Message - From: Vance Edwina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear Vicki, I would love an email copy to peruse and please sent cost info too. I have just the place to hang it! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Edwina -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 3:42To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
[ozmidwifery] Andrea R!
Title: Message AndreaI think everyone on ozmid want to see this poster...is an attachment permissable??? Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kirsten LerstrømSent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: SV: [ozmidwifery] Poster Vicki - I would to see the poster too. Please mail me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! kirsten -Oprindelig meddelelse-Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af Ricardo Herbert JonesSendt: 10. september 2002 16:59Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Emne: [ozmidwifery] Poster Vicki : I would love to receive this poster... Can I? Ricardo Herbert Jones, from Brasil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you !! - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing
Title: Message Hi Edwina... your email didnt get through til tonight (11/9) so too late for your meeting but I'll post some off in the morning. Cheers, Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vance EdwinaSent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:07 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Dear Vicki, Please can you send or fax a brochure via my hospital of employ : Mt Barker Hospital, PO Box 42 Mt Barker, 5251 Fax 8393 1700. We are having a midwifery study day tomorrow (11/9/02) so fax would be good and I will promote it there. I am actually working that weekend so unless I get a swap I wont be able to come, but I may get others interested. Thanks, Edwina Jachimowicz -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 3:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Dear Edwina, Thankyou for your enquiry... The"Ïntuitive Midwifery" workshop is open to all women and you would be most welcome. It is a big day,Sat 28th September (and another on the 29th when that fills) going from 8am registration for a 9am start until 9 0çlock at night. It is to be held at "The Monastary"in Glen Osmond Road...and a light breakfast plus, morning and afternoon teas, lunch, and dinner are provided. It will be facilitated by myself, a midwife in private practice for the past 14 years...Nic Edmondstone who creates visual of birth of great beauty and inspiration.. andas you noticed..Cait Devlin, a celtic singer. Wehave only a very small number attending the day and the Cost is $350. It promises to be a very special day. If you would like a brochure with more info and booking form please send your snail mail. Yours for better birth... Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vance EdwinaSent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:07 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing Hi Vicki Nic, Where, when and cost? Cheers, Edwina (SA) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Monday, 9 September 2002 4:21 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sacred Singing We are very happy that Caitlin Devlin celtic singer extraordinaire will be joining us as part of the "Intuitive Midwifery" Workshops It is going to be wonderful... do join us! Vicki and Nic
[ozmidwifery] Poster
Title: Message Omigosh! I've been overwhelmed by the reponses to the poster...There is easy a hundred here already.I'm trying to work out a way to send it to the list in the body of the message or am seeking permission to send as an attachment... MM did you get yours? Otherwise I shall do them one by one!! Tomorrow! For now, I must sleep! Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I bet it was hushed up! Yet a person I know was breech at 39 weeks deliveredvaginally as baby turned at the last min - however, in hindsight - it probably should have been a c/s. Baby had the cord around it's neck three times (first baby had the same problem, second was fine butbeing breech so late I would have thought a c/s would have been considered with the history.) Baby did not breath for some time and now he has global brain damage - seizures and other problems most likely caused by the delivery. They do them when they don't need to yet when they need to they refuse! How is this so?? Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 22:42:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I wonder if this woman knows that the baby was cephalic at birth and her C/S was unnecessary? or was it hushed up? MM - Original Message - Today a booboo was made :A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation.Came out cephalic.Last u/s was at 27 weeks.Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] training of Ambo's
Yes megan, I have always wondered this as when I was transfered from Geelong to Melb with severe PE at 26wks. The Ambo said to me - "It's alright love, I have delivered babies before!" I replied, "Oh, I am not going into labour - do you know what to do if I have an eclamptic fit?" He did not reply just went a shade of pale. I was so hyperflexic by the time we got there I was literally jumping off the bed. I am sure he was relieved to be walking away - still slightly pale he very quietly said, "Good luck!" and left. I wondered if he did know what he would have done - I seemed to feel that he worried all the way. Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 08, 2002 16:29:31 To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] training of Ambo's hi alldoes anyone know who trains the ambulance medico's on birth?Spoken to a woman who had premature spont rupture of membranes and aprolapse cord with twins. The ambo officers wanted her to transfer tohospital on her back. A good 5 minute arguement followed as she tried toconvince them she would be travelling on all fours with bum in the air andone hand holding in the cord. She won, but it should never have happened.Later birthed by CS twin boys, all well.So is there the option of teaching the people who work the ambulances on theidea of "woman centred care".? Would this be done nationally or within eachstate? Thinking it could be good to invite a representative to anygatherings people have (coffe mornings etc) re women centred care and takethe oppurtunity to educate them.RegardsMegan--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
In a message dated 11/09/02 9:21:51 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear All, I just wanted to add a note to your comment about the effect of ultrasounds on a baby's hearing. Recently my husband pointed-out to me an article about ultrasound that he came across in a Science journal. (he is a physics teacher) The article was speaking about some research designed to discover why babies move so much during an ultrasound scan. They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. Yes Please LeanneI for one would be very interested!! Yours in midwifery Tina Pettigrew.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Title: Message Vicki Please send me an attachment as well if you cannot put it on ozmid! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kind regards Karen -Original Message-From: Zena Grant Coote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 8:25 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Vicki, (re poster) My email address would be helpful sorry, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thanks Zena - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] Andrea R!
Hi Vicky, No, attachments don't work on this list for technical reasons. How about sending the PDF through to our website manager and we will put it up on our ste. If you give us the ordering details we will include them as well, then people can send you a cheque or whatever without having to go through the list. (The messages requesting a copy are gratifying, but a bit tedious!) Send a PDF to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the ordering details and she will sort it out and let the list know when it is ready. Will this help? Cheers Andrea At 13:59 12/09/2002, Vicki Chan wrote: AndreaI think everyone on ozmid want to see this poster...is an attachment permissable??? Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kirsten Lerstrøm Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SV: [ozmidwifery] Poster Vicki - I would to see the poster too. Please mail me directly at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! kirsten -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af Ricardo Herbert Jones Sendt: 10. september 2002 16:59 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: [ozmidwifery] Poster Vicki : I would love to receive this poster... Can I? Ricardo Herbert Jones, from Brasil mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you !! - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Vicki Chan To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth! Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant
Yes, my sister had terrible mood swings and got really angry at her nearly three year old son and her 20 month old daughter. She was depressed and upset all the time, and has been much better since it was removed. She now has one of the new generation IUDs and is feeling much more secure and happy. Though two under three is a handful. Trish Claudia van Duyn wrote: Has anyone come across clients with negative side effects from the use of the Implanon Implant? In one of my job sites we use Implanon on most of our ward population following birth, it is seen as a wonder contraceptive. In the other job site the local GP has just informed me that quite a few of his patients have requested the removal of the implant. Un-desirable effects such as weight gain, mood swings etc are quoted.NBS; What are your opinions/experiences of Implanon? Both the GP and I are interested in your opinions. Claudia Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Unfortunately many women have come to expect a peek at every visit. I remember a woman at an antenatal session who queried what she was paying the money to her ob for when all he did was aske her how she was, and measured her belly with a tape I told her she didn't know how lucky she was!!! - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds I suppose it depends on why he is doing an US in the first place? I've never understood the mentality of "taking a peek' at every appointment. Doing the US vaginally rather than abdominally just means you don't need to bother with a full bladder I expect. Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Mary this ob can't be very booked out if he can see womenas early as12 weeks! WHat a worry - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds They are routine where I work too... the obs use them to get more accurate dating. Eventhough most women know pretty much exactly the date of their LNMP... he still does it, to make sure. Ack. Jo - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds There is an obstetrician in Perth who routinely performs vaginal ultrasound in his rooms before 12 weeks gest. Is this an accepted practice and what would the reasons be for such a practice? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here...
Thankyou for your words Cheryl - Original Message - From: CHERYL JONES To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Lynne I wish to complement you in how wellyou have written your "Hello" to Ricardo, I found it refreshing and honest, giving some (midwives)of usstillhope and insiration. Many thanks and take care Cheryl --- Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello to you Ricardo I have taken the liberty of forwarding your posting on to a coleague of mine and will ask that he table it at the next meeting of RANZCOG (Royal Australia and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists). You are right - the humanisation of birthIS a global issue, and it is essential that where change is happening, and where efforts arebeing made to honour and respect women in birth (or women as people) that as many people know about it as possible. Sometimes when my heart is heavy about the things we are witness to every day in birth, I think about the situation in other countries where the plight is much worse for women generally in their lives, birth being such an important part, and thishelps to putthings into perspective. There is so much to be done - the technocratic wheel is in full spin and spinning furiously, and it will take a mammoth effort on many people's part to slow the spin, even just a little. But the speed of the wheel slows in many places, as people such as yourself and many others, work to keep birth as it should be, alive and well, insistingthatwomen should be treated, as you so beautifully express, 'with caress and gentleness'. As a dear friend and colleague of mine says "Itmatters how babies come into this world" and in my midwifery experience (I am old, like yourself! Even older!!) of almost 20 years, every birth I accompany a woman on shows me afresh how much it does matter, and how respectful ofbirth we must be - not only for women, but for ourselves as those who are the privileged ones to be with women at this time (because each birth contibutes to, and helps shape ourindividual philosophyof birth, and thus, how we are when we are with all of the subsequent women we care for), but also forthe future of humankind. The "kind" on the end of human seems ironic at times, does it not? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Ricardo Herbert Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of theleaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __Ricardo Herbert
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
This is one of the issues we have to face now in practice - becausefew women's pregnancies are "let" go beyond 41 weeks, there islittle experience within the professions of knowing womenwhose pregnancies extend (unsurprisingly)beyond even 41 weeks in may places. I know we have recently had a lot of information on post dates, however the current definitiion of "post dates", according to observable practiceseems to bepost 40 weeks!Totally unacceptable. Shifting those boundaries again to the detriment of women and their infants - Also discrediting the innateness of growing and giving birth yet again. On another tack a colleague told me yesterdaythat vaginal twin birth is no longer an option for women where she works - the policy has been changed - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates Women are being induced left, right and centre... No one is left to the end of full term. I recently asked why a woman being induced for being 9 days over her EDB was labelled Post-term, when term is until the end of 42 weeks. I was told that they have changed the protocol. Term is until 7 days over EDB now. Any one else heard of this? And ... Any obstetrician 'letting' a woman go over 10 days past her EDB will not be sleeping at night [waiting for FDIU, I assume]. Has the classification of post-term really changed? I always write post-dates for women who are not post term (in the sense I was taught only last year!). But they are still booked for induction for post term or post maturity. Jo Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls
We have policies for making policies! - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls Please, please don't let anyone have a policy for the use of a gym ball. I am not against birth balls/gym balls but if we have to have a policy...do we have policies for teeth brushing? combing our hair? sitting on a chair? ahhh! marilyn - Original Message - From: Geoff Barb Stokes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls I am looking for information and policies for use of gym balls in public hospitals. Thankyou, Barbara Stokes, Parkes, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
I wonder what the hooha would be like if they invented an anal ultrasound to detect prostate enlargement - somehow I don't think many men would consent to its use - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds Once again thanks for the info re Vag Ultrasounds. I have a gut feeling that this is a dangerous procedure for the foetus as it gets so close to it and is not even " filtered" throught the abdominal fat and muscle. It is also a gross invasion of a woman's body. I wonder if the operator "gets off" on it? I also wonder about all the guff that goes on about how accurate ultrasound dating is at any period of pregnancy. I would like all u/s providers to have to keep and punlish accurate and up to date data on when the babies wered actually born in comparison to when u/s predicted they were due. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper
The correct terminology for this condition is (ughhh) a 'parasytic twin' (oh to our wonderful terminology again), where there is incomplete separation of the twins - similar to conjoined twins, but the second twin can be either fully formed inside the body of the surviving twin, or partially formed, and extruding from the body of the 'host twin'. - Original Message - From: alastair tawns To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper Hi Debbie, there was a case similar to this yonks ago in the uk ..the foetus was smaller and not found until the 'carrier' was quite a bit olderand only accidentally...an x-ray for something or other. The opinion was that it was a twin. Sorry I cant remember any more details, but it was a definite twin! Re Thus...its at Freo at 10.30am see you tomorrow Mel - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Read in the newspaper I came across a single paragraph in the Weekly Telegraph (i.e. the overseas weekly version of the UK Daily Telegraph) about a six month old baby boy in China who was operated on because of a distended stomach. A dead fetus of 3lb was found in the boy's stomach. Dr's said the dead baby grew inside the boy when he was inside his mother's uterus.Now I'm not one to slavishly believe everything that I read in the newspapers, but the Telegraph is a fairly reputable newspaper. Did anyone else read about this? Has it been heard of before?Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops
Hi Joy I will be speaking informally to mums with bubs only at 2.30pm after a babies GymbarOO class on the afternoon of 26 Sept (just in case later nights arent easy and it can be more specifically to needs of newer mums) This is no charge and wont be promoted openly, although if you know some mums who would like to attend this will be fine. I am giving an evening talk 'Parenting By Heart' - at 7.30 pm. -Venue :CWA hall, 561 Kiewa St. Albury (next to council building). The blurb is : Pinky McKay, author of the popular Parenting By Heart and 100 Ways to Calm the Crying - the ONLY Australian book about infant crying(with a foreword by Sheila Kitzinger) - will be visiting Albury on 26 Sept. Pinkyoffers a gentle perspective on parenting, without power struggles. She is passionate abouthow the prevalence of methods such as controlled cryingand behaviour management can have adverse affects on both the parent/ child relationship, infant health and well-being, and parental confidence. She says, "at any age, parent/child relationships should be based on mutual respect and trust, rather than issues of control , yet power struggles are beginning with infants as young as just a few weeks old over basic needs such as feeding and sleeping." Pinky's stance against practices such as controlled crying and parent directed feeding is based on emerging evidence that these practices can be associated with: *Failure to thrive, *infant depression, *changes to the physiology of the brain that may predispose children to stress disorders such as panic, anxiety and depression in later life. Pinkywill be speaking to parentsat Albury GymbaROO centre 7.30 pm Thursday 26 Sept.Her talk "Parenting By Heart" will encourage parents to take charge by becoming informed, then listening to their child and trusting their own instincts, rather thanhanding over their power to a myriad of expert advice which may be confusing, or irrelevant to an individual situation. Cost $5 - bookings PH Helen - (02) 6024 4464 Website - www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Pinky, Could I have details of your workshop/talk in Albury please? Thanks, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:32 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Megan, So far, I am heading to talk in Albury on 26 sept. Am getting quite a few invites and referring some to my agent as lots of time organising required -travel is tricky among mothering/ working etc but I will consider if there is a group of interested mums and expenses covered. Pinky - Original Message - From: Larry Megan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Pinky, do you ever travel with your workshops. I'm in Adelaide and would love to take part in one. Megan. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patricia Mc kaySent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 2:33To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi After all the talk of public liabilityI now find myself being asked to provide public liability coverage for workshops !! I need to do this to use the venue - has brought home how accepted is seems to be for people not to accept personal responsibility for their choices/ actions. Will be putting the full outline on my website in a few days, but am holding a toddler wweekend workshop and a series of Gentle Beginnings as follows: Gentle Beginnings Discover gentle parenting options including how to calm and connect with your baby and enhance infant development naturally without pressure, as well as how to nurture yourself and your partner relationship. Gentle Beginnings, a series of six weekly workshops for parents or parents-to-be with Pinky McKay , author of Parenting By Heart and 100 Ways to Calm the Crying commences 10.30am Tuesday 15 October at Wyreena Community Arts Centre, Croydon. Cost $80 (incl GST). No extra charge for partners. Bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone (03)98011997.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
I always thought postdates was anything after the EDB. Post mature, however is when the baby is actually post -term. Now they've changed when post term is, so postmaturity occurs sooner. Just clarifying what I meant :) Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal ultrasounds
Unfortunately, women are sent straight to the Obs by their G.P as soon as they are aware they are pregnant. Its like an assembly line. MM Mary this ob can't be very booked out if he can see womenas early as12 weeks! WHat a worry
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
Is the "due date" a stupid mistake or is it me? If research told us some 10 yrs ago that only 5% of all women have their babies on the "due" date, then it is not the women and babies that are at fault, but the calculation of this mythical due date. 95% of women and babies can't be wrong! MM - Original Message - This is one of the issues we have to face now in practice - becausefew women's pregnancies are "let" go beyond 41 weeks, there islittle experience within the professions of knowing womenwhose pregnancies extend (unsurprisingly)beyond even 41 weeks in may places. I know we have recently had a lot of information on post dates, however the current definitiion of "post dates", according to observable practiceseems to bepost 40 weeks!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Loose weight
Dear Ric Some/many babies DO NOT loose any weight. Illingworth reported this in the 1950's it is een when the babies are not stressed and mostly this means have a truly natural gentle birth and are not seperated from thier mother's there after ie at home mostly Denise - Original Message - From: Ricardo Herbert Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Loose weight Denise: I agree with you and with Mary Murphy... I never pay too much attention on scales. Babies normally loose 10% of their weight in the first days after being born (excuse me for using the term delivered. I´m from Brasil, here we speak portuguese..) At the 10th day they recover the weight they had on the first day. It´s a normal thing, because they loose the swelling of tissues. Most of times we doctors think of babies as products (we use the term product of conception) that have value thru the weight they have. That´s a wrong way to understand human life, isn´t it? If you look at a baby and he/she is doing well, why to worry about the weight? Ric - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy is!! I know from personal expereince Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss How would I know? I never weigh babies at day 3. In a well population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well. Weigh on day 10 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???
AT HOME! Sorry about the thoughts about changing things. The other staff will only think you are upstarts. Cheers, MM "Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening?? Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to women. We can't wait until we graduate and can have a say in what goes on."
Re: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???
LOL Sally - the obvious answer :) Johanna - they do still occur I promise. If you are lucky enough to be "with woman" at the birth centreof that hospital near uniyou will see some wonderful births. I caught my own baby there 20 minutes after arriving and have seen and heard of marvelous waterbirths etc occurring. It is frustrating though to keep seeing the things you talk about. So yes be patient - your/our turn will come!! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? At home. Sally Westbury -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 7:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? Dear All,A bunch of us direct entry midwives from Flinders Uni in South Oz have been following women through their pregnancies. We have been taught all about 'natural' birth but most of us are yet to see one. We can't believe the amount of interventions that happen (and we are only allowed to go to public hospitals at the moment!!) I shudder to think what it will be like in the private sector. Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening?? Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to women. We can't wait until we graduate and can have a say in what goes on. Keep up the fightJohanna
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
Jo," post dates" means a calendar calculation -time. "post mature" is a specific syndrome where the baby loses weight and the liquor volume diminishes significantly etc. etc. They are two different things and it is the "post mature syndrome" that is the one for concern. MM I always thought postdates was anything after the EDB. Post mature, however is when the baby is actually post -term. Now they've changed when post term is, so postmaturity occurs sooner.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Loose weight
I can verify that - my last baby did not lose any weight at all and actually put on 190g by day 3. No intervention here - midwife didn't even touch me during labour or the the baby till she was an hour old! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Ric Some/many babies DO NOT loose any weight. Illingworth reported this in the 1950's -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? long
Title: Message If we are not very careful...home will be the only place a natural birth is experienced.the time has come for us all to act. The National Maternity Action Plan is a spring board for change. Dont let the chance go by Let me tell you a parable There was woman who wanted change, she wanted peace, she wanted all babies to be born with love and respect...She had all good things in her heart but she was very frustrated...The world seemed to be falling apart. She read the papers, heard of violent acts, witnessed less than ideal births, study the perinatal statistics, and got very depressed... One day she went shopping (nothing like retail therapy so I'm told) and went into a shop. There, behind the counter was Jesus. Shewas surprised but was pretty sure itwas him because she'd seen his picture on those devotional cards.Finally she just came out with it. "Excuse me, are you Jesus?" He said "Sure am.." "Do you work here?" she asked incredulously. Jesus said..."I actually own the store"..."What do you sell?" she asked"Oh, just about anything" said Jesus and invited her to take a look around and make a list. She did just that, and wandered up and down the aisles. There was peace on Earth, no poverty, no more drugs, clean air...and best of all...natural beautiful love filled births... she wrote her list furiously. Eventually, she went back to the counter. Jesus took the list, looked over it and smiled..."No problem" he said. He bent down behind the counter and came back with a heap of different packets. Suspiciously, the woman asked "What are these?" and Jesus replied "Seed Packets" "Do you mean I dont get the finished product?" "No, this is a place of dreams, to see things as they can be. You come and see what it looks like, then I give you the seeds...You plant the seeds...you water and nurture them...help them to grow...others will reap the benefit..." "Oh"said the woman...and left the store empty handed. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sally WestburySent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:59 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? At home. Sally Westbury -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 7:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? Dear All,A bunch of us direct entry midwives from Flinders Uni in South Oz have been following women through their pregnancies. We have been taught all about 'natural' birth but most of us are yet to see one. We can't believe the amount of interventions that happen (and we are only allowed to go to public hospitals at the moment!!) I shudder to think what it will be like in the private sector. Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening?? Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to women. We can't wait until we graduate and can have a say in what goes on. Keep up the fightJohanna
Re: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???
at home and in birth centres and hospital in public and private when women are informed strong and not interfered with harder to get as u progress along ie home---hosp but possible when women are truley informed and supported by known midwives jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? At home. Sally Westbury -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 7:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? Dear All,A bunch of us direct entry midwives from Flinders Uni in South Oz have been following women through their pregnancies. We have been taught all about 'natural' birth but most of us are yet to see one. We can't believe the amount of interventions that happen (and we are only allowed to go to public hospitals at the moment!!) I shudder to think what it will be like in the private sector. Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening?? Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to women. We can't wait until we graduate and can have a say in what goes on. Keep up the fightJohanna
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria
Sally the vic borad of nursing has never publically suggested in any shape or form that independant mws have a problem when and if they do we can act Is this niave? Where does your information come from ? jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Im astounded by the silence on this issue -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sally WestburySent: Monday, 9 September 2002 2:44 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Tina, or anyone else who know, Im curious to know how (or if) the insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been resolved. I would also urge people to be careful about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the Nurses Board of Victoria will deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with out the professional indemnity insurance that we cannot get, if they are informed of it. This information could come from any person. Say someone who doesnt like homebirths reads in the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a midwife has been publically thanked for her help, they ring the board and tell them.. the board can deregister them. Sound like a witch hunt to me. Im glad Im not there but am really worried who will be next. What action is happening in Victoria to discuss this with the Board at present? What help do you need in Victoria? Sally Westbury
RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message but lucky to be oh so civilized! check this out! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] Menstruation
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[ozmidwifery] Tramadol
Hi The anaesthetic dept. at the hospital where I work has asked the pharmacy to look at removing pethidine from the formulary for both general and maternity clients (mainly because of adverse side-effects). They suggest that tramadol is a safer alternative and that a "number of published studies" have shown that; it is safe and effective in labour and birth it doesnt cause respiratory depression in mother or baby it has no adverse effect on: - length of labour - incidence of instrumental birth - neonatal outcome I have not read these studies. I am interested in hearinga discussion around the use of this drug and where other hospitals around the country are at in terms of using both pethidine or tramadol in labour. Lisa
Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant
I have known several woman who have had it removed because of the mood swings or depression that they have associated with it. Andrea Quanchi On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 06:31 PM, Claudia van Duyn wrote: Has anyone come across clients with negative side effects from the use of the Implanon Implant? In one of my job sites we use Implanon on most of our ward population following birth, it is seen as a wonder contraceptive. In the other job site the local GP has just informed me that quite a few of his patients have requested the removal of the implant. Un-desirable effects such as weight gain, mood swings etc are quoted.NBS; What are your opinions/experiences of Implanon? Both the GP and I are interested in your opinions. Claudia Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
Re: [ozmidwifery] Tramadol
I doubt very much if this drug has been tested and approved for pregnant women. My daughter was precribed it for post op pain and experienced the following side effects (which are also described in manafacturer's leaflet; feeling of fever feeling weid and strage and restless rash nausea (quite bad). She ended up only taking one dose. Kathleen --Kathleen FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity Drive,Callaghan, 2308 Ph 02 49215966 Fax 02 49216981 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/02 12:35pm Hi The anaesthetic dept. at the hospital where I work has asked the pharmacy to look at removing pethidine from the formulary for both general and maternity clients (mainly because of adverse side-effects). They suggest that tramadol is a safer alternative and that a "number of published studies" have shown that; it is safe and effective in labour and birth it doesnt cause respiratory depression in mother or baby it has no adverse effect on: - length of labour - incidence of instrumental birth - neonatal outcome I have not read these studies. I am interested in hearinga discussion around the use of this drug and where other hospitals around the country are at in terms of using both pethidine or tramadol in labour. Lisa
Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria (long)
Tina, very articulate. Only the last sentence to take issue with. Nursing students (and medical students, too, by the way) who are on a maternity placement face the same problems. It is not the student who is dangerous, it is the woman who is giving birth, as she is the one to sue regardless of who is attending her! This is where the woman is a risk, rather than merely at risk, by the act of being pregnant! Oh, the ideology. Trish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/09/02 10:10:51 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im astounded by the silence on this issue Hi Sally and allthe silence on this issue is deafening I know!!! Issues with PII are affecting midwifery students across the country...Students at Victoria University were informed in late July that our University had no PII for us...the result being we had to cease immediately all contact with our 'follow through" women while the mess is sorted. The UNi is madly making other arrangements with hospital agencies Re: Insurance for us to complete our 'clinical' placements which are scheduled for December. Our B Mid sisters at Flinders in SA are also without PII insurance...having lost theirs earlier in the yearmy understanding is that DHS (SA) has undertaken to cover these students until Decemberbut then what who knows??? ACU here in Vic has insurance cover until December...so their insurance status after this time is still unknown. The ACMI, representatives from Vic Uni and Flinders...together with a representative of the NBV and legal counsel met to discuss PII issues on the 16th December 2002The outcome of that meeting as I understand it for us VU students is that arrangements are currently be made to establish clinics for students to undertake their 'follow thru' experiencesstudents will be attached to these clinics within the hospitals...and follow women through these avenues...this arrangement whilst a positve step in the right direction as it allows us to at least continue on in our course...the philosophical underpinning of the whole 'follow through' concept has been reorientated from a community focus back to the institutions which is extremely distressing to say the least...as Jen articulatedwe are really pissed off and so are the women we have engaged in partnerships with The PII issue is getting worse all the time not better... My frustration's are amplified in knowing that the ACMI had an insurance offer on the table but the majority of ACMI members failed to embrace the concept of solidarity with their colleges in private practiceand consequently the vote to accept the insurance offer has gone by the by To use Vanessa Owen's words at the ACMI Vic Branch State Conference in Ballarat a few weeks ago, the National vote to accept the insurance offers was "equivocal". Absolutely astonishing given the climate we find ourselves in.now we have the issue affecting students...what next?? What we currently have is midwives who cannot continue in their practices...even though they are legally 'licensed' to practice midiwferystudents who are unable to avail themselves of the best education they can...within a philosophy of continuity and woman centeredness within the community as was first intended with the development and implementation of the B Midor worse...unable to gain registration if they cannot satisfy the statutory bodies requirements as per the accredited curriculums ...and most importantlywomen have lost birthing choices...genuine choice of caregiver and birthplaceand the potential for a thriving autonomous midwifery profession!!! So where to from here.. On a personal levelI'm going to Adelaide in a few weeks to the ACMI Nat. Education Forum...for some severe ear bashing and networking with 'the powers that be'...to represent myself and some of my student Colleges at this National forum on Education and to discuss...you guessed it - PII and the BMid.We are organising a meeting of the Aust. B Mid Student collective...with members from a few states gathering to discuss the insurance issues for us as students and to strategise and take a National approach to this issue rather that us each individually at our respective uni's banging our heads against the brick walls we so frequently come into contact with!!! Our prime aim at this point in time is to take the PII issue to the National UNion of Studentsand argue from a social justice perspective and discriminatory action on behalf of the insurance companies who have taken the decision thatbased on no evidence mind you..that we represent more of a 'risk' to the public...than nursing students do who all have PII!!! Yours in 'reforming midwifery' Tina Pettigrew. BMid Student Victoria University
Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant
On a personal level, a friend has had the implant and it began 'traveling' around her arm and it is quite scarred now as they kept opening her up and looking for it!! - pretty horrible. Steph. CBE - Original Message - From: Claudia van Duyn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant Has anyone come across clients with negative side effects from the use of the Implanon Implant? In one of my job sites we use Implanon on most of our ward population following birth, it is seen as a wonder contraceptive. In the other job site the local GP has just informed me that quite a few of his patients have requested the removal of the implant. Un-desirable effects such as weight gain, mood swings etc are quoted.NBS; What are your opinions/experiences of Implanon? Both the GP and I are interested in your opinions. Claudia Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant
Ack! I have only heard good stuff from friends/acquaintances who have it. I think anyone who can't use the progesterone only pill should rule it out. Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message What is civilised about being dissected. I see no reference in the article that this woman had any exposure to any informed information or people. Just a bunch of girlfriends who obviously had the vaginal births from hell, over managed and intervened, one of which was an obstetrician who are notorious for wanting caesareans for themselves due to their own distorted view of birth - and the intelligent and sympathetic consultation with her obstetrician (who probably thought, 'sure thing, it makes my job so much easier, I get a bit more money from the government and then I get to see you throughout the rest of your life for all the potential complications you may suffer from the section'. Egad! What a disastrous way of informing women about caesareans. All I could keep thinking was, this must be an add supported by all those zillions of surgical organisations that have an interest in women having caesareans. Woe is me! Carolyn Vicki Chan wrote: 000601c25acb$f0ae9770$0100a8c0@NOTEBOOK"> but lucky to be oh so civilized! check this out! http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614 -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of LynneStaff Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s forbreech And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates
Sorry, I meant the current definition of 'post maturity' according to what I observein currentpractice seems to be anything over40 weeks, induce - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Post maturity Vs Post dates Is the "due date" a stupid mistake or is it me? If research told us some 10 yrs ago that only 5% of all women have their babies on the "due" date, then it is not the women and babies that are at fault, but the calculation of this mythical due date. 95% of women and babies can't be wrong! MM - Original Message - This is one of the issues we have to face now in practice - becausefew women's pregnancies are "let" go beyond 41 weeks, there islittle experience within the professions of knowing womenwhose pregnancies extend (unsurprisingly)beyond even 41 weeks in may places. I know we have recently had a lot of information on post dates, however the current definitiion of "post dates", according to observable practiceseems to bepost 40 weeks!
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message I have also read the 'natural birth' article offering the flip side to the C/S and at least there is some balance to this site - however they manage to make this N/Birth woman look exceptionally brave, extraordinary and financially secure enough to ba able to hire the private midwives and have the nice birth unit. It did not put it into context that this birth is NORMAL and perfectly feasible to most. It was commented by an american publication that if C/S rates do continue it will either bankrupt many health services or force a reduction in standards of care due to overstretching of the services. This is a fairly obvious conclusion and how do these 'experts' imagine we are all going to pay for it - especially as some obs. (v. small no. at present) are starting to hint that the more the C/S operation is perfected, the safer alternaitve it will become to ALL births and presumably the breech C/S recommendation is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to medical 'choices' for birth. H Steph. - Original Message - From: Carolyn Donaghey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech What is civilised about being dissected. I see no reference in the article that this woman had any exposure to any informed information or people. Just a bunch of girlfriends who obviously had the vaginal births from hell, over managed and intervened, one of which was an obstetrician who are notorious for wanting caesareans for themselves due to their own distorted view of birth - and the intelligent and sympathetic consultation with her obstetrician (who probably thought, 'sure thing, it makes my job so much easier, I get a bit more money from the government and then I get to see you throughout the rest of your life for all the potential complications you may suffer from the section'.Egad! What a disastrous way of informing women about caesareans. All I could keep thinking was, this must be an add supported by all those zillions of surgical organisations that have an interest in women having caesareans.Woe is me!CarolynVicki Chan wrote: 000601c25acb$f0ae9770$0100a8c0@NOTEBOOK type="cite"> but lucky to be oh so civilized! check this out! http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: WOMEN'S HUMOR
Hi Denise, I use a program called Eudora for my email and it has this handy feature called Mood alert which screens incoming and outgoing messages and alerts you, via a neat row of chillies just how hot the message is, giving you a chance to either amend it (outgoing) before you insult someone or ignore it (incoming) if you are feeling sensitive. For some reason it always registers two chillies for any message containing the word nipples but this message scored the maximum 3 chillies! Of course, I read it immediately and had a very good laugh. It was probably the fat bastard comment that alerted my poor computer! Thanks - you can never get enough laughs these days! Regards, Andrea PS when I went to send it to the list I got the alert asking me if I wanted top tone it down so that I wouldn't offend the recipient. Have let it go. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message "gently lifted out"? She obviously didn't see the actual birth of her baby... most often the head has to be wrenched out of the pelvis, usually with forceps, then squeezed out through the skin, pushed from the top. To be gently lifted out, it would have to be a 40cm vertical cut into the uterus... Ack! Jo
