[ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999
Hi everyone, I was wondering if any of you were involved in the Inquiry into childbirth practices that was held Australia wide in 1999. I am currently analysing the transcripts and am looking for some of the reports that were submitted. Also, I am interested in speaking or corresponing with any of you who took part to get your overall feeling of what happened at the Inquiry. If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it. Thanks Take care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] News from the Prix Italia!
Congrats Aviva!! well done! Best wishes with your show, too. Pinky PS I am sure I met you in Melbourne years ago -your name isnt one a person would forget -did you ever belong to AERG (Alternative education resource group -homeschoolers?) Did you come to any La Leche LEague meetings? Or perhaps it was at a home birth meeting? It is bugging me because I cant exactly remember when/where, yet you dont seem to be a pastel coloured sort so I should remember. I am friends with Rhea and Lina if that could be a clue. - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@mail.chariot.net.au Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] News from the Prix Italia! Dear friends, colleagues and family,It's with great excitement I'm informing you that my radio play, Soft of Hearing, received a Special Mention in the Radio Drama category of the Prix Italia, judged in Palermo, Italy, last week! In case you didn't know, Soft of Hearing was based on my book manuscript, "This is a War Zone, Baby -- Improvise!" and was produced by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Radio National; broadcast around Australia in May this year. It was one of 7 entries which were praised as part of the "rich treasury" of entries in this particular category.The winner for original drama was "Brick" from Croatia, and the winner of adapted drama was "Aura" from Japan. For anyone in Adelaide (or whoplant to come to Adelaide) I'm doing one performance of my stage show, "This is a War Zone, Baby -- Improvise!" on Friday October 18th at Nexus Cabaret, Lion Arts Centre, Adelaide. As in the performances in Fringe 2000, I'll be backed by Hung Phan and the band, No See Dolly. The new lead singer/violinist with No See Dolly is an eighteen year-old lass, Juliet Hunter, who will add a gorgeous dimension to the show. If you'd like more details, please email me. Link to my web site: http://www.chariot.net.au/~aviva My very best wishes to you all, and my you all be as happy as I am today!! Aviva
Re: [ozmidwifery] test
Title: Message You would be welcome at Selangor, Marilyn! - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I have to complete 114 hours of supervised practice first. Mareeba Hospital (which is an approved supervision site) has agreed to do the supervision, I have to have the paper work processed through Queensland Nursing Council first, so the authorisation is still in process. It will happen in the next few weeks. Because it is still in process I was keeping it off list, but yes, it is happening. So, where will I work? I really don't know, I am still reconnecting.At this momentI am open, but probably somewhere north of Townsville. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Wow! Great news for QLD. Marilyn, where do you think you'll work? Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Dear Marilyn I understand congratulations are in order Qld is to gain a dedicated direct entry midwfe whilst NSW missed out Denise - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I am getting your messages and the posters arrived. Lovely. marilyn - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] test I just realized I havn't got any ozmid for a week, so just testing if others are getting my messages... can someone send me a message at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to confirm. ta. Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn KleidonSent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories Mg Sulphate is routinely used in Hospitals at least in Washington state and California in the USA for PE. It is one of the drugs I was licensed to carry in case of PE. I don't know of any midwife who ever used it but we all carried it. We did have one mum who we transferred for exhaustion and prolonged labour who ended up with HELLP syndrome a couple of hours after admission. She had Mag sulphate IV and went on to have a spontaneous vaginal birth and the mag suphate made her feel yucky but really managed the complication well. marilyn ps with hindsight, we were very glad we had all decided to make the transfer, she had no signs of rising BP until we got to the hospital, and still it wasn't bad, the OB on call just did some liver function tests to be sure (and apologised for doing them) and was very surprised with the results. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories The first story is about treatment by Magnesium sulphate for women with severe P.E.The conclusion is about why such a cheap effective treatment isn't being used. FASCINATING! http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/609 The second is about the spin media put on medical research.. "The operation was a success!" (but the patients died)http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/664
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
We don't use continuous EFMfor women planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too. Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage of women giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem tohave more street cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is concerned) at our unit has consistently been in the high 80's to 90's. Passion of mine!!! - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac hi everyone,I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition being conducted through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and viable option in birth centres. The word is that the new perinatal protocols will be calling for all vbacs to be monitored by ECG and thus will remove them from birth centre care.I have a hard copy petition and we are working on an online version but need to know if there is anyone out there that I can send the hard copy to get some signatures? I am calling on the maternity coalition although I know everyone is busy with NMAP -I am too!!, and also others who are willing to keep vbac safe from induction, augmentation and the other wonderful types of care that can increase the rates of rupture and decrease the woman focused care.Please help as we need to move quickly on this!cheersJo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999
I sent in a submission on behalf of the unit where I work, if that helps, Alphia.. - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999 Hi everyone, I was wondering if any of you were involved in the Inquiry into childbirth practices that was held Australia wide in 1999. I am currently analysing the transcripts and am looking for some of the reports that were submitted. Also, I am interested in speaking or corresponing with any of you who took part to get your overall feeling of what happened at the Inquiry. If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it. Thanks Take care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] phew! Finally
Dear all on the Ozmid list, have been "lurking" on the list for quite some time, and have had a number of difficulties being recognised as a subscriber by the list, and none of my postings went up. Have finally got that sorted, so just wanted to say hello, for want of anything profound coming to mind at this particular moment. Look forward to being able to join in the wonderful discussions that happen here andI would like to thank everyone on this list for providing me with some solace in the form of like-minded belief in and awe of birth while I've been negotiating the alien territory of medicalised birth on my clinical placements. Could havecausedme to feel demoralised, self-doubting, and downright mad if it had not been for tapping into this group of amazing midwives and others. so thanks all, love liz
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear Lynne It is good to hear that you don't use ECG for vbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate policies but they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need those who LOVE policies to start to listen.) Where do you work? We would also like some stats to back the success of vbac without ECG. Could I send you a petition for your (obviously intelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to sign. Our RANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get vbac out of the realm of normal and back into the good old High Risk category. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac We don't use continuous EFMfor women planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too. Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage of women giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem tohave more street cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is concerned) at our unit has consistently been in the high 80's to 90's. Passion of mine!!! - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac hi everyone,I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition being conducted through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and viable option in birth centres. The word is that the new perinatal protocols will be calling for all vbacs to be monitored by ECG and thus will remove them from birth centre care.I have a hard copy petition and we are working on an online version but need to know if there is anyone out there that I can send the hard copy to get some signatures? I am calling on the maternity coalition although I know everyone is busy with NMAP -I am too!!, and also others who are willing to keep vbac safe from induction, augmentation and the other wonderful types of care that can increase the rates of rupture and decrease the woman focused care.Please help as we need to move quickly on this!cheersJo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: InviteTo NSW NMAP Launch
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Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Jo can you email me privately? - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac Dear Lynne It is good to hear that you don't use ECG for vbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate policies but they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need those who LOVE policies to start to listen.) Where do you work? We would also like some stats to back the success of vbac without ECG. Could I send you a petition for your (obviously intelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to sign. Our RANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get vbac out of the realm of normal and back into the good old High Risk category. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac We don't use continuous EFMfor women planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too. Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage of women giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem tohave more street cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is concerned) at our unit has consistently been in the high 80's to 90's. Passion of mine!!! - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac hi everyone,I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition being conducted through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and viable option in birth centres. The word is that the new perinatal protocols will be calling for all vbacs to be monitored by ECG and thus will remove them from birth centre care.I have a hard copy petition and we are working on an online version but need to know if there is anyone out there that I can send the hard copy to get some signatures? I am calling on the maternity coalition although I know everyone is busy with NMAP -I am too!!, and also others who are willing to keep vbac safe from induction, augmentation and the other wonderful types of care that can increase the rates of rupture and decrease the woman focused care.Please help as we need to move quickly on this!cheersJo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear all, Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of the word VBAC. The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to change what I say!" When I said the term had been around since the late 70's (somebody said that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they had never heard of it. Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break and printed off copies of the paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind Carolyn)wrote and I placed a copy in the postnatal ward, labour ward, special care nursery, and the tea room. Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have a VBAC today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to push for 20 minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she hadn't pushed it out. Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that that was a little unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm dilated,and she had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/? By the way, she got to about 5cms and was in good established labour managing well, had a V.E (was quite disappointed that she was "Half way"), had pethidine, contractions eased off and she went for a C/S! from Veronica Herbert (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat) - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac Dear Lynne It is good to hear that you don't use ECG for vbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate policies but they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need those who LOVE policies to start to listen.) Where do you work? We would also like some stats to back the success of vbac without ECG. Could I send you a petition for your (obviously intelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to sign. Our RANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get vbac out of the realm of normal and back into the good old High Risk category. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac We don't use continuous EFMfor women planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too. Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage of women giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem tohave more street cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is concerned) at our unit has consistently been in the high 80's to 90's. Passion of mine!!! - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac hi everyone,I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition being conducted through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and viable option in birth centres. The word is that the new perinatal protocols will be calling for all vbacs to be monitored by ECG and thus will remove them from birth centre care.I have a hard copy petition and we are working on an online version but need to know if there is anyone out there that I can send the hard copy to get some signatures? I am calling on the maternity coalition although I know everyone is busy with NMAP -I am too!!, and also others who are willing to keep vbac safe from induction, augmentation and the other wonderful types of care that can increase the rates of rupture and decrease the woman focused care.Please help as we need to move quickly on this!cheersJo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
[ozmidwifery] vbac and second stage
I would like to generate discussion on the list about typical vbac labours if I may? As a great number of vbacs are women whom have had a 'drama' in a previous birth which resulted in a cs, there is a valid belief that the woman would probably bring a number of 'issues' into the vbac. These issues are usually fear based "please don't let what happen last time happen again" and coupled with the fact that for most second stage is a mystery; I would like to propose that vbac labours should be given more support and less restrictions. I understand that if a woman labours for a long time the obs and drs may begin to worry about the stress on the scar and possible rupture; but I strongly believe thata woman's body will go at the right pace for her. Second stage is often longer with vbacs. Can anyone support this anecdotally? I think we (they!) put too many pressures on vbacs and don't see them for what they are...not high risk, but require high support and understanding. any thoughts? Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
RE: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Good on you Veronica! And I don't mind at all, I'm delighted that you find it useful. Whatever will help people become more informed! I reckon it is so great that you are prepared to stand in the truth and walk the talk :-) the path of courage. Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of the word VBAC. The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to change what I say!" When I said the term had been around since the late 70's (somebody said that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they had never heard of it. Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break and printed off copies of the paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind Carolyn)wrote and I placed a copy in the postnatal ward, labour ward, special care nursery, and the tea room. I found this story very interesting. Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have a VBAC today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to push for 20 minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she hadn't pushed it out. Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that that was a little unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm dilated,and she had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/? By the way, she got to about 5cms and was in good established labour managing well, had a V.E (was quite disappointed that she was "Half way"), had pethidine, contractions eased off and she went for a C/S! from Veronica Herbert (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat) Unfair alright! Pressure like this on awoman, whether she is anxious or not to start with (and women having a VBAC are already anxious), is VERY counterproductive.It's downright abusive. Anxiety pours those stress hormones out in bucket loads. And what happens when women are stressed like that? Oxytocin turns off, or is interrupted and the body can't work properly and the cervix can't dilate efficiently or effectively very easily. It is amazing she was in such good labour, even with the negative pressure. Thechemical and electrical output with feelings of disappointment do similar turn offs to the hormonal cascade of the labouring body. Most women have to feel safe and supported for their bodies to work well. And the VE is interesting. How the 'f indings' from VE's are presented are so influential to a woman's state of being and her subsequent labour progress Saying"you're only five centimetres" or "you're half way"with any inflection of pity, disappointment or other negative inference is a downer, many women immediately respond in a 'not good enough' way and feel inadequate, which again, turns off or interrups the labour cascade. We really set people up don't we? Self fulfilling prophecy it's called. Give people these impossible hoops to jump through, turn the lights off so they can't see, put blindfolds on then say "you'll never do it". It's very like the psychological trick called 'gaslighting'. The term comes from a 1950's (or thereabouts) movie of the same name. The husband in the movie sends his wife mad by altering her sense of reality. He kept turning down the gaslight and when she said the light was changing, he would deny it and tell her she was mad. When we tell someone something enough, it becomes true.'Truth' no matter how suspect, coming from someone in a position of power has authority. What if the information was presented as "wow, you are five centimeters already! Aren't you fantastic!You are doing so well, you are a natural at thisand look how well you are coping" and then, turning to her support person/partner "isn't she fantastic? I bet you are proud of herand she isSO in control". Language is so powerful.We can pull the rug from under someone in a heartbeat. Or/and we can provide them with a mirror of strength and courage. It's wonderful to see you being so observant and analytical Veronica. Wonder what it could be like if the registrar could see with your eyes? Doesn't our future look bright with these students around? Makes my ol' heart very glad. warmly, Carolyn Hastie
RE: [ozmidwifery] vbac and second stage
Spot on Jo. Second stage for women who have had a previous caesarian can be fastor it can be slow and anywhere in between. Overall, as you say Jo, it is generally slower for these women. And it is all influenced bythe level of preparation. The more a woman is able to process her issues and talk about what happened and figure out how she may do it differently this time...and what she needs to do..the better it is for her - the Pink Kit is great too for helping women understand their birthing physiology whether they have access to one to one midwifery care or not. Women who have had a caesarian and seek to give birth normallyhave a double hurdle. They have toget beyond the caesarian issue and where they were up to when they had the caesarian (that this women Veronica talks about was five centimeters means she had moved beyond this issue) and then the hurdle of giving birth. Women are so isolated from birthing in our society, so many haven't even held a baby and all they hear are the horror stories and shroud waving from well meaning but idiotic professionals :-( sigh. each woman has to reinvent the wheel for herself when it comes to giving birth. They don't have any healthy models to follow and so, they enter what is the most significant body event (apart from the first sexual encounter...or does birth beat that?) without amap. That's where groups like yours are so effective, Jo and Jackie. Kitchen table wisdom. Story telling, lots and lots of stories of good births, smooth births, gentle births, happy births to help reprogramme their mind to enable healthy body action. Many women struggle at the point of birthing their baby, self doubt, fears about mothering tend to swell and interrupt the process, slowing it down. With loving, confident support (and I think this is where doulas are coming into their own - we midwives are more fascinated with the CTG than the eyeball to eyeball stuff), coupled with the knowledge gained from the many stories heard and integrated, second stage can be a great time of healing and processing and therefore, slow (er than someone who is not dealing with past caesarian issues). That's why not doing VE's is such a good idea, and then there is always the anterior lip ;-) warmly, Carolyn Hastie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo Dean BainbridgeSent: Monday, 23 September 2002 10:55 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac and second stage I would like to generate discussion on the list about typical vbac labours if I may? As a great number of vbacs are women whom have had a 'drama' in a previous birth which resulted in a cs, there is a valid belief that the woman would probably bring a number of 'issues' into the vbac. These issues are usually fear based "please don't let what happen last time happen again" and coupled with the fact that for most second stage is a mystery; I would like to propose that vbac labours should be given more support and less restrictions. I understand that if a woman labours for a long time the obs and drs may begin to worry about the stress on the scar and possible rupture; but I strongly believe thata woman's body will go at the right pace for her. Second stage is often longer with vbacs. Can anyone support this anecdotally? I think we (they!) put too many pressures on vbacs and don't see them for what they are...not high risk, but require high support and understanding. any thoughts? Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
Re: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast
Sheena the Aropax wouldn't be a problem and in these circumstance should not go off them. I would try expressing and finger feeding so the baby relearns to feed comfortably feel satisfied and to start putting on weight. I have dealt with many serious and distressing cases of refusal and so far have been successful with them. It needs the scream try to feed scream frustration and finally sleep (not well usually) cycle to be broken. I start by finger feeding the baby until she is full for a few feeds (breast milk preferably). Mum can do this with the baby skin to skin (or dad or grandma). This helps ease some tension which is usually going on by now in that mums usually feel quite helpless and distraught and worried and confused etc etc!! So after about 12 24 hours or more if needed start the feed next to the breast and after a small amount of food slip the baby on to the breast (easier said than done often!, good attachment is sill essential otherwise feeding will remain a trauma). If the baby starts to get upset then cease and finish with a finger feed. This is done slowly but depends on the babys reaction. Some get very distraught so you would try only once each feed until they stayed calm and some get a bit restless but can try a few times in the one feed. The main thing is to re teach the baby she can get comfort and food at the breast without fighting. I know this is long and am happy to talk to you about this (0883692338) as I have successfully worked with many very difficult cases. Finger feeding is a specific technique as well so let me know if you need more info. There is also a way which involved bathing with the baby but many of my clients have not had access to one so it is not something I am confident discussing. It can be overcome good luck Belinda - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 September, 2002 6:47 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Refusing the breast Hi List Ruby Rainbow our 10 week old (3 weeks prem) baby grand-daughter is now refusing the breast most feeds. We have been through colic and reflux. Mum has had mastitis twice and a vaginal infection. Ruby started to refuse the breast the same time that her Mum started her ?period. She has had an ultra sound that is inconclusive, the doctor says that what is showing could just be the uterus involuting, but the Mum says that babe has been refusing the breast since she has been losing blood. Have also resorted to glycerine on the dummy and on the nipple to entice her to feed. She only put on a couple of ounces last week. Babe seems to feed ok during the night, but in the daytime, starts crying and won't feed. Any advice out there. I favour going back to her obstetrician and asking for a second opinion on the ultrasound reading. This Mum is on Aropax 30mg a day. Appreciate any advice going Thanks Sheena Johnson
Re: [ozmidwifery] test
Title: Message Fantastic. Who do I contact? - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test You would be welcome at Selangor, Marilyn! - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I have to complete 114 hours of supervised practice first. Mareeba Hospital (which is an approved supervision site) has agreed to do the supervision, I have to have the paper work processed through Queensland Nursing Council first, so the authorisation is still in process. It will happen in the next few weeks. Because it is still in process I was keeping it off list, but yes, it is happening. So, where will I work? I really don't know, I am still reconnecting.At this momentI am open, but probably somewhere north of Townsville. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Wow! Great news for QLD. Marilyn, where do you think you'll work? Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test Dear Marilyn I understand congratulations are in order Qld is to gain a dedicated direct entry midwfe whilst NSW missed out Denise - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] test I am getting your messages and the posters arrived. Lovely. marilyn - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] test I just realized I havn't got any ozmid for a week, so just testing if others are getting my messages... can someone send me a message at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to confirm. ta. Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn KleidonSent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:02 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories Mg Sulphate is routinely used in Hospitals at least in Washington state and California in the USA for PE. It is one of the drugs I was licensed to carry in case of PE. I don't know of any midwife who ever used it but we all carried it. We did have one mum who we transferred for exhaustion and prolonged labour who ended up with HELLP syndrome a couple of hours after admission. She had Mag sulphate IV and went on to have a spontaneous vaginal birth and the mag suphate made her feel yucky but really managed the complication well. marilyn ps with hindsight, we were very glad we had all decided to make the transfer, she had no signs of rising BP until we got to the hospital, and still it wasn't bad, the OB on call just did some liver function tests to be sure (and apologised for doing them) and was very surprised with the results. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BMJ Stories The first story is about treatment by Magnesium sulphate for women with severe P.E.The conclusion is about why such a cheap effective treatment isn't being used. FASCINATING! http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/609 The second is about the spin media put on medical research.. "The operation was a success!" (but the patients died)http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/664
[ozmidwifery] Fwd: ACMI Supports NMAP Launch
From: Executive Officer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Australian College of Midwives Reply-To: Executive Officer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:16:27 +1000 To: Vernon at Stringybark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NATIONAL MATERNITY ACTION PLAN LAUNCH MEDIA RELEASE: September 24th AUSTRALIAN COLLEGE OF MIDWIVES INCORPORATED Australia¹s Midwives Endorse Maternity Action Plan The Australian College of Midwives Incorporated (ACMI) wholeheartedly endorses the National Maternity Action Plan, which calls for urgent changes to maternity services across Australia. ³Support of this critical document demonstrates midwives¹ commitment to the provision of what is best practice for women and families in Australia,² said Alana Street, ACMI¹s National Executive Officer. ³We want women to have their right to choose where they birth their babies, and with the midwife of their choice.² Ms Street said there was a growing crisis in maternity services. ³We have seen the withdrawal of professional indemnity insurance, failure of governments to support midwives in some States and Territories and reduced workforce numbers due to an aging population within the midwifery workforce. ¹It means that consumers are having their choices eroded and we urge governments to look closely at the actions recommended in the National Maternity Action Plan.² Alana Street said that midwives, in supporting the maternity action plan, were only reinforcing past demands to obtain the best health outcomes for women. ³The World Health Organisation provides the guidance that a midwife is the recommended primary carer for a pregnant woman. Our college supports this, and it is high time our Australian government did likewise². Ms Street said the introduction of the National Maternity Action Plan would provide governments with an ideal choice to assist in moves towards a collaborative, women friendly, cost efficient well thought out service for women and families. ³We urge governments to read this important document and take advantage of it in the name of maternity care consumers and care providers. It is the responsibility of governments to act now, for the benefit of Australians now, and for those generations to come,² Ms Street added. For further information, please contact: Alana Street National Executive Officer ACMI Ph: (03) 9804 5071 Tel: 0438 8555 29 - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] off list
Hi i AM GOING OFF LIST FOR 3 WEEKS JAN
Re: [ozmidwifery] phew! Finally
Welcome, Liz. Regards, Lois - Original Message - From: ec newnham To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] phew! Finally Dear all on the Ozmid list, have been "lurking" on the list for quite some time, and have had a number of difficulties being recognised as a subscriber by the list, and none of my postings went up. Have finally got that sorted, so just wanted to say hello, for want of anything profound coming to mind at this particular moment. Look forward to being able to join in the wonderful discussions that happen here andI would like to thank everyone on this list for providing me with some solace in the form of like-minded belief in and awe of birth while I've been negotiating the alien territory of medicalised birth on my clinical placements. Could havecausedme to feel demoralised, self-doubting, and downright mad if it had not been for tapping into this group of amazing midwives and others. so thanks all, love liz
Re: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC
Hi Debby: Congratulations, what a wonderful birth story.If you are lurking please email me off list, I have a vbac mum who needs support and references for care givers etc.. in the Brsbane area. Thanks, marilyn - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC Hi Ladies, Just to let you know my little daughter came into the world at 00.40am on 11th Sept 02. She was my 2nd VBAC. It was a wonderful experience. I had been "niggly" all day but just thought it was braxton hicks. I finally went into proper labour after putting my boys to bed at about 7.30 - 8.00 pm. We only just made it to the hospital, arriving at 11.45pm and it took me a good 10mins and 3 contractions to get from the car to the RWH Birth Centre Brisbane. She was a "sort of" water birth. Her head was born under water but then it was realised that her shoulder was stuck so I had to stand up to allow my wonderful midwife Marg to free her - and she did it with no episiotomy and only a tiny first degree tear.Claire was a little flat after her birth and needed some oxygen but picked up quickly and was fine by 10mins. We wenthome the same day at 7.30pm and sheisa lovely content baby. The support I had from Marg, my wonderful husband Philip and my super doula Ann was just wonderful. I experienced this birth with no pain relief what so ever - it never really even occurred to me to have any. Despite the hiccup of the shoulder dystocia this was definitely my best birth. I have seen there has been some debate on doulas vs midwives - well a simple opinion from a woman who had both at her birth. There is a place for both. I had a good relationship with Marg and trusted her implicitly but she was my professional carer and this was her primary role necessitating her to potentially make decisions that required a degree of professional detachment for both my care and the baby's. Ann as my doula did not have to have any professional detachment at all. Even when Marg had to provide the "medical" attention to release Claire's shoulder Ann was able to provide for me a mothering role and advice to Philip and methat everything was ok and to keep applying supporting services, like the water being poured over my back and some strong shoulders to lean on and hold. I think it needs to be recognised that the trust relationship between the midwife and woman is very important and that there is no doubt the midwife a! s carer can provide valuable support and advice on support to the woman and her spouse - however sometimes there are "hiccups" and they must be her first priority and it is particularly at these times that the full value of the doula comes into play. Anyway just some food for thought. Debby Mum of Claire Elizabeth Margaret Miller Born: 11 Sept 02 Weight: 4080g (9lb) Length: 52cm Head: 34.7cm Features: Reddish blond hair, long fingers and absolutely beautiful. Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC
Debbie: my offline email is [EMAIL PROTECTED], our addy's used to show up now they don't. Oh well. marilyn - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC Hi Ladies, Just to let you know my little daughter came into the world at 00.40am on 11th Sept 02. She was my 2nd VBAC. It was a wonderful experience. I had been "niggly" all day but just thought it was braxton hicks. I finally went into proper labour after putting my boys to bed at about 7.30 - 8.00 pm. We only just made it to the hospital, arriving at 11.45pm and it took me a good 10mins and 3 contractions to get from the car to the RWH Birth Centre Brisbane. She was a "sort of" water birth. Her head was born under water but then it was realised that her shoulder was stuck so I had to stand up to allow my wonderful midwife Marg to free her - and she did it with no episiotomy and only a tiny first degree tear.Claire was a little flat after her birth and needed some oxygen but picked up quickly and was fine by 10mins. We wenthome the same day at 7.30pm and sheisa lovely content baby. The support I had from Marg, my wonderful husband Philip and my super doula Ann was just wonderful. I experienced this birth with no pain relief what so ever - it never really even occurred to me to have any. Despite the hiccup of the shoulder dystocia this was definitely my best birth. I have seen there has been some debate on doulas vs midwives - well a simple opinion from a woman who had both at her birth. There is a place for both. I had a good relationship with Marg and trusted her implicitly but she was my professional carer and this was her primary role necessitating her to potentially make decisions that required a degree of professional detachment for both my care and the baby's. Ann as my doula did not have to have any professional detachment at all. Even when Marg had to provide the "medical" attention to release Claire's shoulder Ann was able to provide for me a mothering role and advice to Philip and methat everything was ok and to keep applying supporting services, like the water being poured over my back and some strong shoulders to lean on and hold. I think it needs to be recognised that the trust relationship between the midwife and woman is very important and that there is no doubt the midwife a! s carer can provide valuable support and advice on support to the woman and her spouse - however sometimes there are "hiccups" and they must be her first priority and it is particularly at these times that the full value of the doula comes into play. Anyway just some food for thought. Debby Mum of Claire Elizabeth Margaret Miller Born: 11 Sept 02 Weight: 4080g (9lb) Length: 52cm Head: 34.7cm Features: Reddish blond hair, long fingers and absolutely beautiful. Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] happy NMAP launch
Happy NMAP launch to all those who have put a huge amount of effort into getting this off the ground. This is truly a milestone for Australian maternity services, let's just keep the energy rolling. yours in midwifery pete malavisi Acting Project Officer - Maternity Services South West Area Health Service email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph. 9754 0555 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vote in support of paid maternity leave
Barb, I couldn't get this link to work. Has anyone had any success? Cheers, Jen --- Vernon at Stringybark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear List, to sign a petition supporting the push for paid maternity leave visit: http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/index.htm?request=Paid+Maternity+Leave +Petitioncampaign_dir=paid_mat cheers Barb. Maternity Coalition __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Show and tell
A little light relief .. Alesa Betsy, a grammar-school teacher from Miami, remembers this Oscar-worthybirth tableau from one of her students..." I've been teaching now for about fifteen years. I have two kids myself,but the best birth story I know is the one I saw in my own second-gradeclassroom a few years back.When I was a kid, I loved show-and-tell. So I always have a few sessionswith my students. It helps them get over shyness and experience a littlepublic speaking. And it gives me a break and some guaranteedentertainment. Usually, show-and-tell is pretty tame. Kids bring in pet turtles, modelairplanes, pictures of fish they catch, stuff like that. And I never, everplace any boundaries or limitations on them. If they want to lug it toschool and talk about it, they're welcome.Well, one day this little girl, Erica, a very bright, very out-going kid,takes her turn and waddles up to the front of the class with a pillowstuffed under her sweater. She holds up a snapshot of an infant. "This is Luke, my baby brother, and I'm going to tell you about hisbirthday. First, Mommy and Daddy made him as a symbol of their love, andthen Daddy put a seed in my mother's stomach, and Luke grew in there. He atefor nine months through an umbrella cord."She's standing there with her hands on the pillow, and I'm trying not tolaugh and wishing I had a video camera rolling. The kids are watching her inamazement."Then, about two Saturdays ago, my mother starts going, 'Oh, oh, oh!'" Erica puts a hand behind her back and groans."She walked around the house for, like an hour, "Oh, oh, oh!'" Now thekids'doing this hysterical duck-walk, holding her back and groaning."My father called the middle wife. She delivers babies, but she doesn'thave a sign on the car like the Domino's man. They got my mother to lie downin bed like this." Erica lies down with her back against the wall. "And then, pop! My mother had this bag of water she kept in there in casehe got thirsty, and it just blew up and spilled all over the bed, likepsshhheew!"The kid has her legs spread and with her little hands is miming water flowing away. It was too much!"Then the middle wife starts going push, push, and breathe, breathe. They start counting, but they never even got past ten. Then, all of asudden, out comes my brother. He was covered in yucky stuff they said wasfrom the play-center, so there must be a lot of stuff inside there."Then Erica stood up, took a big theatrical bow and returned to her seat.I'm sure I applauded the loudest. Ever since then, if it's show-and-tellday, I bring my camcorder - just in case another Erica comes along. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Hi All, I thought it might be time for a positive story about VBAC. I am a midwife working in an Aboriginal Community Health Centre. One of my women had previously had an emergency C/S in late 2nd trimester for PROM, followed by neonatal death at 12 hours of age. Needless to say she had alot of issues to deal with during this pregnancy. I cared for her throughout her pregnancy and she didnt see a doctor at all as she was perfectly normal and healthy (despite being labelled as 'high risk' due to her history and the fact that she is Aboriginal). She laboured so quickly the midwives at the hospital didnt even think to call me in. After less than 2 hours she gave birth to a perfectly healthy son. A week later she is still talking about how fulfilled she feels and how she will definitely do it again. Dont give up. Leanne. From: Jo Dean Bainbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac and second stage Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:25:00 +0930 I would like to generate discussion on the list about typical vbac labours if I may? As a great number of vbacs are women whom have had a 'drama' in a previous birth which resulted in a cs, there is a valid belief that the woman would probably bring a number of 'issues' into the vbac. These issues are usually fear based please don't let what happen last time happen again and coupled with the fact that for most second stage is a mystery; I would like to propose that vbac labours should be given more support and less restrictions. I understand that if a woman labours for a long time the obs and drs may begin to worry about the stress on the scar and possible rupture; but I strongly believe that a woman's body will go at the right pace for her. Second stage is often longer with vbacs. Can anyone support this anecdotally? I think we (they!) put too many pressures on vbacs and don't see them for what they are...not high risk, but require high support and understanding. any thoughts? Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999
Hi Lynne, can I have a copy of that submission? Trying to get a better handle of these transcripts- they are driving me slightly insane :-) Thanks Alphia At 07:40 PM 23/09/02 +1000, you wrote: I sent in a submission on behalf of the unit where I work, if that helps, Alphia.. - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Senate Inquiry into childbirth procedures 1999 Hi everyone, I was wondering if any of you were involved in the Inquiry into childbirth practices that was held Australia wide in 1999. I am currently analysing the transcripts and am looking for some of the reports that were submitted. Also, I am interested in speaking or corresponing with any of you who took part to get your overall feeling of what happened at the Inquiry. If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it. Thanks Take care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
