[ozmidwifery] long long labours
Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Long Long labours
Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] FW: ausfem-polnet ACTION Required on abortion law and access in Qld
Our Queensland friends may want to contribute to this, warmly, Carolyn Hastie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cait Calcutt Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 12:03 PM To: Australian Women's Health Network; Pamela's List; ausfem-polnet Subject: ausfem-polnet ACTION Required on abortion law and access in Qld Hi all, Many of you will probably know that the Beattie Government has released the discussion paper - 'Mapping the Future: a discussion paper' for Queensland women and girls. This is part of the development of a five year agenda for Women and Girls, which will direct government action and funding priorities in this area. The discussion paper contains almost nil information regarding contraception, family planning and abortion. At the Queensland Women's Roundtable, held last week to assist in consultation around the document, these issues were raised. Particularly highlighted was that abortion still remains in the criminal code, lack of access to abortion services for rural, regional and remote women, and increasing geographic coverage for relationships and sexual health education and clinical services. The Office for Women are seeking feedback on the paper via a series of consultation sessions around the state. (Dates and Locations below) Also, people can feedback online and in written submissions. CHILDREN BY CHOICE IS REQUESTING THAT WOMEN AND ORGANISATIONS RESPOND TO THE DISCUSSION PAPER AND RAISE THE ISSUE OF ABORTION LAW and ACCESS, and SEXUAL HEALTH SERVICES and INFORMATION. PLEASE: 1) Attend a consultation session and raise your concerns. Dates and Location below; Consultation Locations LocationDateVenue Brisbane City Monday 30th Sept. Women's Infolink, 56 Mary St. (5-7pm) Times: 12-2pm (light lunch served) Brisbane North Friday 20th Sept. Carseldine Palms Conference Training Centre Cairns Friday 20th Sept. Cairns City Library Mount Isa Monday 23rd Sept. Mercure Hotel Verona Mt Isa Brisbane South Monday 23rd Sept. Acacia Ridge Function Conference Centre Mackay Wednesday 25th Sept. Windmill Motel Reception Centre Rockhampton Thursday 26th Sept. Rockhampton Leagues Club Logan Friday 27th Sept. Kingston Butter Factory Community Arts Centre Bundaberg Monday 30th Sept. Brothers Sports Club Longreach Monday 30th Sept. Albert Park Motor Inn Charleville Tuesday 1st Oct. RSL Club Ipswich Wednesday 2nd Oct.Ipswich Civic Centre RomaThursday 3rd Oct. Maranoa Club Toowoomba Thursday 3rd Oct. Burke Wills Hotel Gold Coast Monday 7th Oct. Sharks Football Club Sunshine Coast Thursday 10th Oct.Rural Futures Network Centre Townsville Tuesday 15th Oct. Qld CWA Function Hall 2)Provide feedback on the discussion paper feedback online. The Office of Women's website has four separate forms to submit feedback on the various themes of the discussion paper. The form for health and well-being can be found at: http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/con_wellbeing.html OR 3) Complete the discussion paper feedback form manually. You can download the feedback form as either a PDF or word document. See http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/con_feedback.html for more details. You can obtain copies of the Discussion Paper via http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/pdf/paper_text.pdf (text), http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/pdf/paper_cover.pdf (cover). It is also available as a word document http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/Mapping_the_Future.dot. In both versions the women's health section of the well being theme begins on page 9. or contact Office of Women. Postal address: PO Box 185, Albert Street Brisbane, Qld 4002, Australia Phone: (07) 3224 4062 Fax: (07) 3224 4272 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks and warm regards, Cait Calcutt Coordinator Children by Choice 237 Lutwyche Rd PO Box 2005 Windsor Qld 4030 Ph: 07 3357 5570 Fax: 07 3857 6246 Mobile: 0413 800 842 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.childrenbychoice.org.au Send mail to this list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Admin requests (subscribe, help etc) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other requests/comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Launch
Congratulations all who participated in today's Launch! (QLD) We had a great turn out in Queensland in King George Square with fabulous and inspiring speeches from Vicki Chan, Helen Bremner and Bruce Teakle among others. Channel 7 covered our cause to an extent and Dr. Sarah Buckley and Bruce Teakle were interviewed on morning ABC radioregarding the Launch. I later watched Sky News which had coveragefor those down south of us. Well done Joy Johnston for getting good coverage which includedhappy-informed-breast-feeding mums...excellent! Thanks to everyone who participated in the launch and I hope that elsewhere in the country you also had a successful launch. Special thanks to the Maternity Coalition for producing a fantastic document and enormous effort to meet this Launch date! Darren Sunn IMPORTANT NOTICE: CONFIDENTIALITY AND LEGAL PRIVILEGE This email is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution or photocopying of this email is strictly prohibited. The legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived, lost or destroyed by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this email in error please immediately notify us by return email. Thank you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Severe Nausea
After reading about Blackmores SSPC on this list awhile ago I have suggested its use to a number of women with severe hyperemisis with very good results.Vomiting seems to settle completely and they say they feel great.SSPC is only available with a naturpath prescription or from a chemist that has a naturpath(which we are lucky to have in this town).Have asked Blackmores about its safety in pregnancy and they say its totally safe Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/17/02 10:38pm Does anyone on the list have any more suggestions for a friend who has severe morning sickness is now 9+ weeks pregant? SShe has tried acupuncture chinese herbs as well as being admitted for IV rehydration being given Maxalon, Vit B6 even dexamethasone. I thought I'd consult the list for any more ideas. Thanks in anticipation. Rose -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [awhn-list] ACTION Required on abortion law and access in Qld
To our Qld Members what is the bet there is nothing about midwifery in the proposed 5 year plan for women and girls in Qld?? Denise - Original Message - From: Cait Calcutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Australian Women's Health Network [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pamela's List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ausfem-polnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: [awhn-list] ACTION Required on abortion law and access in Qld Hi all, Many of you will probably know that the Beattie Government has released the discussion paper - 'Mapping the Future: a discussion paper' for Queensland women and girls. This is part of the development of a five year agenda for Women and Girls, which will direct government action and funding priorities in this area. The discussion paper contains almost nil information regarding contraception, family planning and abortion. At the Queensland Women's Roundtable, held last week to assist in consultation around the document, these issues were raised. Particularly highlighted was that abortion still remains in the criminal code, lack of access to abortion services for rural, regional and remote women, and increasing geographic coverage for relationships and sexual health education and clinical services. The Office for Women are seeking feedback on the paper via a series of consultation sessions around the state. (Dates and Locations below) Also, people can feedback online and in written submissions. CHILDREN BY CHOICE IS REQUESTING THAT WOMEN AND ORGANISATIONS RESPOND TO THE DISCUSSION PAPER AND RAISE THE ISSUE OF ABORTION LAW and ACCESS, and SEXUAL HEALTH SERVICES and INFORMATION. PLEASE: 1) Attend a consultation session and raise your concerns. Dates and Location below; Consultation Locations LocationDateVenue Brisbane City Monday 30th Sept. Women's Infolink, 56 Mary St. (5-7pm) Times: 12-2pm (light lunch served) Brisbane North Friday 20th Sept. Carseldine Palms Conference Training Centre Cairns Friday 20th Sept. Cairns City Library Mount Isa Monday 23rd Sept. Mercure Hotel Verona Mt Isa Brisbane South Monday 23rd Sept. Acacia Ridge Function Conference Centre Mackay Wednesday 25th Sept. Windmill Motel Reception Centre Rockhampton Thursday 26th Sept. Rockhampton Leagues Club Logan Friday 27th Sept. Kingston Butter Factory Community Arts Centre Bundaberg Monday 30th Sept. Brothers Sports Club Longreach Monday 30th Sept. Albert Park Motor Inn Charleville Tuesday 1st Oct. RSL Club Ipswich Wednesday 2nd Oct.Ipswich Civic Centre RomaThursday 3rd Oct. Maranoa Club Toowoomba Thursday 3rd Oct. Burke Wills Hotel Gold Coast Monday 7th Oct. Sharks Football Club Sunshine Coast Thursday 10th Oct.Rural Futures Network Centre Townsville Tuesday 15th Oct. Qld CWA Function Hall 2)Provide feedback on the discussion paper feedback online. The Office of Women's website has four separate forms to submit feedback on the various themes of the discussion paper. The form for health and well-being can be found at: http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/con_wellbeing.html OR 3) Complete the discussion paper feedback form manually. You can download the feedback form as either a PDF or word document. See http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/con_feedback.html for more details. You can obtain copies of the Discussion Paper via http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/pdf/paper_text.pdf (text), http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/pdf/paper_cover.pdf (cover). It is also available as a word document http://www.qldwoman.qld.gov.au/consultation/Mapping_the_Future.dot. In both versions the women's health section of the well being theme begins on page 9. or contact Office of Women. Postal address: PO Box 185, Albert Street Brisbane, Qld 4002, Australia Phone: (07) 3224 4062 Fax: (07) 3224 4272 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks and warm regards, Cait Calcutt Coordinator Children by Choice 237 Lutwyche Rd PO Box 2005 Windsor Qld 4030 Ph: 07 3357 5570 Fax: 07 3857 6246 Mobile: 0413 800 842 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.childrenbychoice.org.au Australian Women's Health Network Discussion List post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manage your list subscriptions: http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] lactation /stillbirth
Some Obs I know use Dostinex to prevent lactation in mothers who don't want to breastfeed.It needs to be given on day1 or 2 post deliver .A dose of !mg is given stat and it totally stops any lactation .Dont Know about its safety or long term effects and its very expensive , about $75 for the one dose .Has any one else had any experience with this product and its use Lyle PS I would prefer to see the body left to naturally work through its cycle as suggested by others on this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/19/02 10:30am Advice appreciated Apart from firm support cold packs ice/cabbage leaves sage tea and no stimulation of breasts .Has anyone ant ideas to mimimize lactation in a term mother of stillborn baby. regards Jan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Kill or Cure Discovery Channel Foxtel
Hi to all I would like to recommend a programme for your viewing pleasure called Kill or Cure which is all about the History of Maternity Services. It is being repeated several times this month on the Foxtel Discovery Channel and is definitely worth watching / taping ! Wednesday the 25th of Sept at 8.30am on Discovery Channel 19 Hug to all Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Long Long labours
A situation that springs to mind about 'mental blocking of labour' is by a midwife friend who told of a case where a woman was 'stuck' at 2nd stage and her husband - while being of great support throught the labour - had the midwife thinking about the effect he might be having on her. She asked him to get something from the kitchen or something - and spoke to the labouring woman along the lines of ' ok we're going to get this baby born now...' and within a miunute she had 'released her pelvic floor enough to birth the baby and (unforutantely) her other half missed out! - hoiwever - reading the situation the midwife had surmised that the woman was uncomfortable about 'letting go' in front of her husband and this was delaying the explusion (for want of a better phrase) stage which can also be a factor in women with previous sexual abuse histories (incidentally so the research goes). The fact that her nearest and dearest was apparently blocking her release in secaond stage was in no way a reflection on how loving she felt towards him...the midwife just sensed that it may be something deeper and not acknowleged concsiously. I found this very interesting as I know couples who very strongly wnat to experience birth togther as well as ones who feel it is an exclusive 'women only activity'. I always use this alternative as an opener at classes as assuming partner attendance is not always what both parties feel is right a little off the point, but I have felt strongly from birth stories told at reunions that 'mental/emotional state' is very much a factor that many couples didn't bargin on dealing with in relation to how the labour progressed. Interesting subject! Steph, Adelaide. - Original Message - From: Tracey Askew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Long Long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
Sorry I can't be more possitive - during my first labour - second
child (vbac - attempt) after lots of agrivation by dr's and lots of
negativity. I found and even noted to the midwife after 14hrs of
odstetric abuse I said, "Why do all the contractions stop as soon as he
comes in the room?"
If he stayed even 10mins I would not have any strong contractions -
he even said ("If she is in labour!") Mind you I had been having
strong contractions every 3 mins or less for 18hours. But that would
not be labout at 42 weeks gestation - probably just braxton hicks I
presume. Then he would leave and I would have a really really strong
contraction. I knew that i could not deliver with him anywhere near
me and I knew it was not going to happen. I found out latter about
the hormones and physical cause of this. It demonstrates on the
"negative side" how fear does stop labour - I am sure with support and
comfort things would have been different. After 24hrs I
gave in to hhis request to do a c/s.
Hope that is of some help.
Rhonda
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Date: Tuesday,
September 24, 2002 17:06:04
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery]
long long labours
Hi all,I was just wondering, in our current post
natal group of first time mums,during the sessions where we have been
talking about birthstories, thecommon theme this term has been these
really long labours, with very slow(if any) dilation. Most of them
ended with intervention, and disappointmentin their body. Now most of
us here understand the physiology of childbirth,how fear will create
an adrenaline rush, which directly works againstlabour. What I would
love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthinghas experienced a
dramatic change as a result of the support she hasreceived. For
example; something said to her that has helped her to releasefear
during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a
dramaticturn during her labour. Another example might be a story
related to why along slow labour has been an important experience for
a woman. I would loveto cite some stories to women (the art of
storytelling being a VERY powermedium) helping them to understand the
unique and wonderful complexities ofthe human body, and how it is a
wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow andexpand into infinite
possibilities. Helping women to see what is possiblewill go a long way
into their birthing and mothering experiences.Thank you in advance for
sharing your wisdom.Tracey Anderson Askew--This mailing
list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au
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Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Hi Veronica Wow, you seem to have your work cut out for you. I will give you some good information to back up the validity and the antiquity of the term VBAC. Refer to the book Silent Knife: Cesarean Prevention and Vaginal Birth after Cesarean (1983) Nancy Wainer Cohen Lois J Estner New York. This book is a must in the library of any midwife supporting vbac women. "In the 1970s, more studies substaintiated the safety of VBAC; yet women were still being sectioned more than 99percent of the time. Still, the winds of change were blowing. In 1974, Nancy coined the term "VBAC" and by 1975 she was hearing the acronym being used all over the country and was seeing it in medical articles as well. " page 94 Silent Knife The book is getting quite old now, but most of what is written still holds true today, and it is a confronting and challenging book to give food for thought. Congratulations Veronica on being informed and up-to-date with the last 3 plus decades ;-) . Carolyn PS I was under the impression that a woman who had never experienced pushing stage, would indeed push just like a first time mother. Certainly was the case for my vbac, took me ages to work out that oh this was pushing not more posterior labour DERR! Veronica Herbert wrote: 004701c262fc$55ed7060$9245d0cb@pbncomputer"> Dear all, Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of the word VBAC. The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to change what I say!" When I said the term had been around since the late 70's (somebody said that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they had never heard of it. Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break and printed off copies of the paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind Carolyn)wrote and I placed a copy in the postnatal ward, labour ward, special care nursery, and the tea room. Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have a VBAC today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to push for 20 minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she hadn't pushed it out. Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that that was a little unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm dilated,and she had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/? By the way, she got to about 5cms and was in good established labour managing well, had a V.E (was quite disappointed that she was "Half way"), had pethidine, contractions eased off and she went for a C/S! from Veronica Herbert (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat) - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac Dear Lynne It is good to hear that you don't use ECG forvbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate policiesbut they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need those who LOVEpolicies to start to listen.) Where do you work? We would also like some stats to back the successof vbac without ECG. Could I send you a petition for your (obviouslyintelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to sign. OurRANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get vbac out of the realmof normal and back into the good old High Risk category. Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 088388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac We don't use continuous EFMfor women planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too. Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage of women giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem tohave more street cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is concerned) at our unit has consistently been in the high 80's to 90's. Passion of mine!!! - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac hieveryone, I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition beingconducted through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and viable optionin birth centres. The word is that the new perinatal protocolswill be calling for all vbacs to be monitored by ECG and thus willremove them from birth centre care. I have a hard copy petition andwe are working on an online version but need to know if there isanyone out there that I can send the hard copy to get some
RE: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
Dear Tracey When I have heard of a dramatic change in a long labour story it's usually associated with...but then I got in the bath and relaxed for half an hour, next thing I knew I was pushing ... I've heard of many that will take 24 hours to get to 4cms and then once in the bath only a very short while to get to fully ... seems to be a genuine turning point for some. Women often describe the bath as their own personal private space where they could cut off from those around them and still feel supported - I think its magic :-) Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tracey Askew Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 3:42 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] NMAP launch
Today's launch in Adelaide was wonderful, we had a standing ovation for NMAP and all of its hard working supporters. Our guest speakers all gave wonderful and inspiring speeches. It is a priveledge to be working along side such dedicated hard working women. The future looks bright and I can only hope my(our)children will reap the benefits of such unity for birth reform. Thankyou to those responsible for NMAP and well done to all who supported it. Kind Regards Megan Resch -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: ACMI Supports NMAP Launch
This is wonderful stuff. Alas, I was unable to attend the Launch; drat, blast and other expletives. There's so much excellent food for thought on this list, sometimes I don't know where to start! It would make a fantastic book -- are these emails being collected? Giant hugs and success to all. Aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: ACMI Supports NMAP Launch From: "Executive Officer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Organization: Australian College of MidwivesReply-To: "Executive Officer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:16:27 +1000To: "Vernon at Stringybark" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: NATIONAL MATERNITY ACTION PLAN LAUNCHMEDIA RELEASE: September 24th
[ozmidwifery] WA launch of NMAP
Just got back from Parliament house - hobnobbing with the pollies. I'm sure the others will fill you in on more of the details, but we had a good slot on Channel 10 tonight, and the various radio channels, and then the opportunity to lobby our pollies on the issues tonight. I am knackered - don't know about the rest. Well done everyone - great work. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP launch
Hearty, hearty Congratulations to you all! brilliant! Aviva - Original Message - From: Larry Megan To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP launch Today's launch in Adelaide was wonderful, we had a standing ovation for NMAPand all of its hard working supporters.
Re: [ozmidwifery] WA launch of NMAP
hey Debbie you forgot to say that if you bend their ears long enough, they(the pollies)...will give you a lift home!!Yes its true..not only did they give us drinks and talk to us , but one of them gave us a lift home...said he needed the break...not sure if he meant from NMAP or parliamentary business! Well sisters and brothers,this is a great beginning of what I am sure will be a successful campaign Well done to everyone involved and to everyone else...start making your voice heard! Mel - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] WA launch of NMAP Just got back from Parliament house - hobnobbing with the pollies.I'm sure the others will fill you in on more of the details, but we had a good slot on Channel 10 tonight, and the various radio channels, and then the opportunity to lobby our pollies on the issues tonight.I am knackered - don't know about the rest.Well done everyone - great work.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: births attended by midwives
On 17/9/02 3:37 PM, Vernon at Stringybark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, Can anyone answer Heather's question? thanks Barb. -- From: haashe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:15:27 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: births attended by midwives Hello, I was hoping you could tell me the percentage of births in Australia that are delivered by midwives (both in the hospital and elswhere). I'm guessing about 20%. Thank you, Heather Haas -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Dear Heather My estimation of the number of women who have a midwife with them would be a lot higher than yours. I would think about 60-70 percent of Australian women have a midwife as the senior attendant at their birth. That doesn't mean that 60-70 percent of women have had continuous care from the attending midwife or have even met her before; they would have the midwife on duty for the shift when they come to hospital to deliver. The attending midwife sometimes catches the baby but in teaching hospitals will mostly be supervising a student who 'does' the delivery. In rural areas the midwife is often used as an RN as well so if she is busy attending to urgent nursing duties, under the law she may 'supervise' an accredited nurse who cares for the labouring woman. By law this accredited nurse can provide all the care under supervision so it is often the town's GP who comes to the birth as well to provide continuity of care to the woman he has been seeing in his rooms for antenatal care. Legally speaking, the midwife can be responsible in a supervisory capacity. She will usually be there for the birth though. Probaby about 5 percent of women have a midwife who is known to them at their birth when they participate in a birth centre or community midwifery program and 0.1 percent have their own midwife who attends them at home or in a local birth centre. About 30 percent of the birthing population would have an obstetrician (or obstetrician in training) for the delivery. These numbers include around 20 percent who paid (usually through private health insurance) for a private obstetrician to confine them; the other 10 percent end up with an obstetrician as their primary carer because of medical or obstetric reasons. You would get a more accurate picture of birth attendants by accessing the perinatal statistics from each state and territory. Most departments of health publish these on their websites. If you want to see how your local area compares it is easy to do so through the statistical collection which is divided into health areas. Also go to your local maternity hospital and ask if you can access their birth register. By law is must be kept forever, and it will give you the names and titles of the person who was in attendance for each birth. Good luck with your search. Jan Robinson -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria (long)
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria (long) On 12/9/02 2:01 PM, Trish David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tina, very articulate. Only the last sentence to take issue with. Nursing students (and medical students, too, by the way) who are on a maternity placement face the same problems. It is not the student who is dangerous, it is the woman who is giving birth, as she is the one to sue regardless of who is attending her! This is where the woman is a risk, rather than merely at risk, by the act of being pregnant! Oh, the ideology. Trish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/09/02 10:10:51 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im astounded by the silence on this issue Hi Sally and allthe silence on this issue is deafening I know!!! Issues with PII are affecting midwifery students across the country...Students at Victoria University were informed in late July that our University had no PII for us...the result being we had to cease immediately all contact with our 'follow through women while the mess is sorted. The UNi is madly making other arrangements with hospital agencies Re: Insurance for us to complete our 'clinical' placements which are scheduled for December. Our B Mid sisters at Flinders in SA are also without PII insurance...having lost theirs earlier in the yearmy understanding is that DHS (SA) has undertaken to cover these students until Decemberbut then what who knows??? ACU here in Vic has insurance cover until December...so their insurance status after this time is still unknown. The ACMI, representatives from Vic Uni and Flinders...together with a representative of the NBV and legal counsel met to discuss PII issues on the 16th December 2002The outcome of that meeting as I understand it for us VU students is that arrangements are currently be made to establish clinics for students to undertake their 'follow thru' experiencesstudents will be attached to these clinics within the hospitals...and follow women through these avenues...this arrangement whilst a positve step in the right direction as it allows us to at least continue on in our course...the philosophical underpinning of the whole 'follow through' concept has been reorientated from a community focus back to the institutions which is extremely distressing to say the least...as Jen articulatedwe are really pissed off and so are the women we have engaged in partnerships with The PII issue is getting worse all the time not better... My frustration's are amplified in knowing that the ACMI had an insurance offer on the table but the majority of ACMI members failed to embrace the concept of solidarity with their colleges in private practiceand consequently the vote to accept the insurance offer has gone by the by To use Vanessa Owen's words at the ACMI Vic Branch State Conference in Ballarat a few weeks ago, the National vote to accept the insurance offers was equivocal. Absolutely astonishing given the climate we find ourselves in.now we have the issue affecting students...what next?? What we currently have is midwives who cannot continue in their practices...even though they are legally 'licensed' to practice midiwferystudents who are unable to avail themselves of the best education they can...within a philosophy of continuity and woman centeredness within the community as was first intended with the development and implementation of the B Midor worse...unable to gain registration if they cannot satisfy the statutory bodies requirements as per the accredited curriculums ...and most importantlywomen have lost birthing choices...genuine choice of caregiver and birthplaceand the potential for a thriving autonomous midwifery profession!!! So where to from here.. On a personal levelI'm going to Adelaide in a few weeks to the ACMI Nat. Education Forum...for some severe ear bashing and networking with 'the powers that be'...to represent myself and some of my student Colleges at this National forum on Education and to discuss...you guessed it - PII and the BMid.We are organising a meeting of the Aust. B Mid Student collective...with members from a few states gathering to discuss the insurance issues for us as students and to strategise and take a National approach to this issue rather that us each individually at our respective uni's banging our heads against the brick walls we so frequently come into contact with!!! Our prime aim at this point in time is to take the PII issue to the National UNion of Studentsand argue from a social justice perspective and discriminatory action on behalf of the insurance companies who have taken the decision thatbased on no evidence mind you..that we represent more of a 'risk' to the public...than nursing students do who all have PII!!! Yours in 'reforming midwifery' Tina Pettigrew. BMid Student Victoria University Tina I will send you a statement about the worth of
Re: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
I have felt for years that 4cms is a magic number. Add to 4cms a shot of pethidine ( hey, it was private health, if this was all they got, they were doing well!) or a hot bath, or both, then the other magic number ' 10' often appeared within an hour or so after that. It seems to be a real stepping stone and the key to advancing is obviously relaxation. Robin - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Dear Tracey When I have heard of a dramatic change in a long labour story it's usually associated with...but then I got in the bath and relaxed for half an hour, next thing I knew I was pushing ... I've heard of many that will take 24 hours to get to 4cms and then once in the bath only a very short while to get to fully ... seems to be a genuine turning point for some. Women often describe the bath as their own personal private space where they could cut off from those around them and still feel supported - I think its magic :-) Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tracey Askew Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 3:42 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Circumstances caused me to miss the launch of NMAP - and also the news. Fill me in on the Melbourne launch, please.. Liz
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac and second stage
Hello Jo, Supporting woman as a Doula whilst she is having a vaginal birth after a cs seems to have many challengesmany woman are looking to Doulas for this support.not always for the ideal reason...I think they wonder if we have a magic tool..takes some sorting out up frontthe only tool we have is in supporting her at home from early in the labour to help her stay in her power and commitment!.lots of time spent with the woman in advance facing her fears with her.lots of visulaisation of the process...lots of dreaming about the way she wants it to be...and them tons of effort and timeallowing herself to have that dream.anecdotally...often a block around 6-8 cm...nearly there...and then the fearatleast I tried...I had labouralready talking in the past tense..needs to find enormous determination to get through that block...and yes 2nd stage is relatively slow..the best situation seems to be supporting her in staying at home just as long as possiblemost woman I have supported, seem to surrender just a little too easily once they hit hospitalall their fears are so close to the surface...they feel strong at homemonitors going on when they get to hospital routinely, incase the scare rupturesin many places immediately challenge her to push through..the fear, the fear...the fear, and the language...let's address our own fears whilst working with these woman!! Any body what to get together is Sydney to work with their fears as a midwife? - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac and second stage I would like to generate discussion on the list about typical vbac labours if I may? As a great number of vbacs are women whom have had a 'drama' in a previous birth which resulted in a cs, there is a valid belief that the woman would probably bring a number of 'issues' into the vbac. These issues are usually fear based "please don't let what happen last time happen again" and coupled with the fact that for most second stage is a mystery; I would like to propose that vbac labours should be given more support and less restrictions. I understand that if a woman labours for a long time the obs and drs may begin to worry about the stress on the scar and possible rupture; but I strongly believe thata woman's body will go at the right pace for her. Second stage is often longer with vbacs. Can anyone support this anecdotally? I think we (they!) put too many pressures on vbacs and don't see them for what they are...not high risk, but require high support and understanding. any thoughts? Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
[ozmidwifery] Maternity leave and Brisbane NMAP rally
HI all, Interesting article in the Courier Mail (Queensland today) - u - I am not sure I like the idea of the HECS style paid maternity leave system. I can't believed I forgot about the Brisbane launch yesterday. I am glad to hear it went off well. Sally Joyce. Call for maternity pay 'on loan'By Matthew Denholm and Margaret WenhamSeptember 25, 2002 The Courier-Mail NEW mothers would be paid for taking maternity leave on condition they eventually paid some of it back, under a plan to end the impasse over the issue.The radical proposal has been put forward by economist Bruce Chapman, architect of the Higher Education Contribution Scheme university graduate tax. It would create a HECS-style system for paid maternity leave, with a proportion of the payment taken back later through the taxation system. It is being considered by Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward, who is to release a report on options for paid maternity leave in December. Dr Chapman, director of the Australian National University's Centre for Economic Policy Research, said the plan was based on sharing the cost of paid maternity leave between employers, the public and parents. An extra safeguard for bosses would require a woman to repay all of her employers' contributions if she decided not to return to that firm after her leave. Family and Community Services Minister Amanda Vanstone said that new mothers wanted government money spent on childcare places rather than paid maternity leave. Senator Vanstone said there were options other than paid maternity leave and the government would not be pushed into a "one product debate". Pregnancy and maternity issues are at the heart of current protests. In Melbourne, protesting feminists recently revisited the bra burning days in support of the paid maternity leave push. And in Brisbane yesterday, more than 300 people trundled, trod and toddled their way through town to Queensland Health's city headquarters to show their support for the National Maternity Action Plan. The impromptu protest march followed a rally in Brisbane's King George Square, organised by a coalition of midwifery associations and natural birth advocacy groups, to coincide with the release of the plan. Birth Action Group co-ordinator Bruce Teakle said the document outlined a strategy for federal, state and territory governments to add publicly funded, community-based midwifery services to the medical model ofcare, so that women had more childbirth choices. Mr Teakle said the midwifery model, which provides continuity of care from a midwife throughout pregnancy, birth either in or out of hospital and in the weeks after birth, was practised overseas and in Western Australia with excellent outcomes. Under the currently favoured medical model, he said, surgical interventions in births were rising, with caesarean rates in Queensland's public hospitals nearing 30 per cent and in some private hospitals, 50 per cent. Health Minister Wendy Edmond said Queensland Health's policy was to provide birthing services based around public hospitals that had full emergency facilities. DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network.
[ozmidwifery] SMH article re NMAP launch
This appeared in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald - reporting the Canberra launch. --- Push to extend Medicare to midwives hits the wall By Mark Enthral September 25 2002 The Federal Government has rejected a national campaign to extend Medicare to midwives, despite claims it could reduce costs and possibly make child birth safer. In a campaign fuelled by the medical indemnity crisis, scores of health groups have backed the most concerted bid yet for Government-funded community midwifery services. The National Maternity Action Plan cites statistics linking costly medical intervention, like caesarean deliveries, with increased maternal deaths in the mid-1990s, while midwifery care was shown to result in fewer women needing expensive obstetric interventions. The plan also showed such continued care contributed to long-term breastfeeding, improved adjustment to parenting and may lower the incidence of postnatal depression. Australia is seriously out of step with best practice on maternity care ... There is an urgent need to offer community midwifery services within the public health system, Australian Greens Senator Kerry Nettle said at the launch of the plan. But a spokeswoman for the Health Minister, Senator Kay Patterson, said the Commonwealth had no plans to increase its role in community-based midwifery services, which were principally the responsibility of state and territory governments. Independent Senator Meg Lees said that based on programs already established in Adelaide and Fremantle, costs could be reduced by about $1000 a birth. In Australia we are locked into an intervention-prone medical model for having our children, she said. But a spokesman for the National Association of Specialist Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, Dr Andrew Pesce, said Australia was the safest place in the world to have a baby. He also said many obstetricians would welcome a greater role for midwives, but there would need to be agreed guidelines on how doctors and midwives worked together. An estimated 80 independent midwives in NSW have suspended their services after having difficulty in obtaining indemnity insurance. Representatives of the Maternity Coalition have approached the Assistant Treasurer, Helen Coonan, for more certainty on indemnity insurance. - - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear All
Can I please suggest we do not create new
patterns and labels for women inn labour to fit.
Vbac is like a primip??The more you go where
women and their bodies and babies want to go the more you will come to
realise that individuality is every where
There are and wil always be
Primip have quick ("preciptate") labours
Grandmultips who have slow ("delayed" fail to
progress") labours
Because they may share their aprity with other
women but little else and so much can influence a woman, her body and baby in
laour and the art of midwfeery is about being with the woman with all her
complexities trying to understand and work with them, no some
preconceptions!Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Carolyn Donaghey
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:32
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Hi VeronicaWow, you seem to have your work cut out for
you. I will give you some good information to back up the validity and
the antiquity of the term VBAC.Refer to the book Silent Knife:
Cesarean Prevention and Vaginal Birth after Cesarean (1983) Nancy Wainer Cohen
Lois J Estner New York. This book is a must in the library of any
midwife supporting vbac women."In the 1970s, more studies substaintiated
the safety of VBAC; yet women were still being sectioned more than 99percent
of the time. Still, the winds of change were blowing. In 1974,
Nancy coined the term "VBAC" and by 1975 she was hearing the acronym being
used all over the country and was seeing it in medical articles as well. "
page 94 Silent KnifeThe book is getting quite old now,
but most of what is written still holds true today, and it is a confronting
and challenging book to give food for thought.Congratulations Veronica
on being informed and up-to-date with the last 3 plus decades ;-) .CarolynPS I was under the
impression that a woman who had never experienced pushing stage, would indeed
push just like a first time mother. Certainly was the case for my vbac,
took me ages to work out that oh this was pushing not more posterior labour
DERR!Veronica Herbert wrote:
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Dear all,
Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of the
word VBAC. The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to change
what I say!" When I said the term had been around since the late 70's
(somebody said that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they had
never heard of it. Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break and
printed off copies of the paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind
Carolyn)wrote and I placed a copy in the postnatal ward, labour ward,
special care nursery, and the tea room.
Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have a
VBAC today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to push
for 20 minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she hadn't
pushed it out. Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that that was
a little unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm
dilated,and she had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/?
By the way, she got to about 5cms and was in good established labour
managing well, had a V.E (was quite disappointed that she was "Half way"),
had pethidine, contractions eased off and she went for a C/S!
from Veronica Herbert
(Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat)
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Original Message -
From: Jo
Dean Bainbridge
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear Lynne
It is good to hear that you don't use ECG for
vbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate
policies but they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need
those who LOVE policies to start to listen.) Where do you
work?
We would also like some stats to back the
success of vbac without ECG.
Could I send you a petition for your
(obviously intelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to
sign. Our RANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get
vbac out of the realm of normal and back into the good old High Risk
category.
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
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Original Message -
From: Lynne
Staff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
We don't use continuous EFMfor women
planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too.
Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women,
Re: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
Dear Robin I was so looking froward to you calling me? Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Robin Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] long long labours I have felt for years that 4cms is a magic number. Add to 4cms a shot of pethidine ( hey, it was private health, if this was all they got, they were doing well!) or a hot bath, or both, then the other magic number ' 10' often appeared within an hour or so after that. It seems to be a real stepping stone and the key to advancing is obviously relaxation. Robin - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Dear Tracey When I have heard of a dramatic change in a long labour story it's usually associated with...but then I got in the bath and relaxed for half an hour, next thing I knew I was pushing ... I've heard of many that will take 24 hours to get to 4cms and then once in the bath only a very short while to get to fully ... seems to be a genuine turning point for some. Women often describe the bath as their own personal private space where they could cut off from those around them and still feel supported - I think its magic :-) Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tracey Askew Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 3:42 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
The book 'Spiritual Midwifery' has a number of birth stories relaitng to this topic. This might be of use to the class. Megan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tracey Askew Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 3:12 To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] the pink kit
Liz, Further information can be found on the pink kit homepage: - http://www.commonknowledgetrust.com/birthing_kit.htm Sally -Original Message-From: ec newnham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 10:48 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] the pink kit Dear all, at the risk of sounding silly, what is 'the pink kit' referred to in a posting about vbac? love, liz (student midwife, mother of three homebirther) DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network.
[ozmidwifery] Chant
Dear ALL Trying to think of a chant for Monday and every other occasion?How about? "Midwifery Care is safe, cost effective and family friendly" Any other ideas??Denise
RE: [ozmidwifery] Qld NMAP Launch
Title: Message Also a pretty slack write up in the courier today... great picture of mothers and babies marching on parliament house under the headline "Call for Maternity pay ón loan' " ? like, duh! the NMAP was mentioned as a tack-on to the paid maternity leave issue. Channels 9 and 7 did reports, one was particularly good. I've asked Phillip Adams if we can chat on late night live...he said he would see what he could do...perhaps if the ABC radio was getting inundated with requests for followup on the issue?? I was shattered yesterday afternoon... had to have an afternoon nap! half an hour off ... and then, up and preparing for this weekends workshop in Adelaide...great excitment! Love to all... Vicki -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ross W TimbsSent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Qld NMAP Launch Dear List, On the ABC news last night it said there was a rally, and that women were wanting greater access to homebirth, including in rural areas, and midwives were wanting medicare provider numbers. They finished with a comment that the government had rejected giving midwives provider numbers, and that the government was committed to increasing the number of GPs in rural areas. I assume this was the NMAP launch they were talking about, but they never mentioned NMAP or continuity of midwife carer. It seems to me they were side-tracked by the homebirth issue, and missed the main point. I also find it very frustrating, that all health issues get hijacked by medical issues. How is it that the launch of the NMAP ends up being about rural GPs? Can the Maternity Coalition contact the ABC try again to get the point across? Jacky
Re: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
An interesting experience for me was with a woman who had had 2 previous LUSCS. Pregnant for the 3rd time she laboured very very slowly, but thinking that she had to keep moving to get the labour going didn't give her self time to rest, even in the bath she was tense and willing the labour to progress. Even with some long talks from myself and my partner. She ultimately decided that the best place for her would be i hospital. She chose to have an epidural, which in this instance was ideal because she slept for about 2 hours. Woke up, felt the urge to push and had her beautiful daughter not long after. With her 4th pregnancy, she worked through alot of 'head' stuff during her pregnancy, a tough road for her. She ruptured her membranes on the Sunday night, with only mild contractions after that. They came in clusters over the next few days, she walked miles with her partner but allowed herself time to rest and sleep when the contractions stopped. This went on until the Thursday, I had been visiting daily with my partner. We discussed doing a VE, she decided she would like to know where she was. She was 7-8 cm dilated. She went on to have her beautiful son in the bath 2 hours later. It just made me realise how different women labour. A beautiful experience for the woman, her partner and 3 other children all around the bath watching and for myself and me partner, who learn something of infinite importance with each birth we attend. With love Sally - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Dear Tracey When I have heard of a dramatic change in a long labour story it's usually associated with...but then I got in the bath and relaxed for half an hour, next thing I knew I was pushing ... I've heard of many that will take 24 hours to get to 4cms and then once in the bath only a very short while to get to fully ... seems to be a genuine turning point for some. Women often describe the bath as their own personal private space where they could cut off from those around them and still feel supported - I think its magic :-) Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tracey Askew Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 3:42 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] long long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hep B at Birth
Have been cogitating about this for a while and thought I would throw it out to the list to see if it rings any bells with anyone else out there. I work in a small unit where we tend to get to know the mother's and babies pretty well and follow their progress with interest. We have low intervention rates and low usage of intrapartum narcotics and have well established baby friendly breastfeeding practices. However I have been conscious for some time ofan increase in babies that display problems feeding day 2-3...babe's that feed well initially..but a day or 2 later and they don't seem to know what they are doing...uptight, irritable ..uncoordinated suck...some just downrightcranky and bordering on breast refusal. Initially I thought that it was perhaps just normal disinclination to feed whilst recovering from birth (perhaps a little cerebral oedema peaking 24 -48 hrs post birth related to molding) that had been compounded by mishandling by midwives and anxious mothers trying to force the babe to the breast when it wasn't ready and creating problems for the babe. Many of these babes though haven't had any obvious cause for the often extreme behaviour ie no excessive molding, or obvious birth trauma, no drugs in labour. I have been thinking for a while that I should do a bit of a research project to try and explain what I have been seeing, thenthinking about the timeframein which we have noticed these problems it suddenly dawned on me that the only real systemic change we have had has been the introduction of Hep B immunisation at birth. The challenge of transition from intrauterine existance to the extrauterine world is huge. What if the added insult of Hep B vaccine at this time of major developmental change and adjustment is just too much for them to process. Perhaps this could explain why we have been having so many more babes who are having a difficult time making the transition...babes who have had drug free and relatively gentle birth..feeding beautifully initially then just absolutely hitting the wall. We have started to investigate and plan to do some research into it but I wonder if anyone else has noticed any change in newborn behaviours in the last two years since the introduction of the immunisation at birth. Is anyone aware of any study done orcurrently underway. I would appreciate your observations. Sandra
Re: [ozmidwifery] long long labours
It is so nice to hear a story such as this Eeek! Ruptured membranes for more than 24 hours? You didn't induce her on the spot?? No IV antibiotics?? ;) Jo Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby Shower / Pinky's book
Hi Robyn Sisters eh! My book is called Parenting By Heart -at least I think that would be the one you are referring to - 100 Ways to Calm the Crying is the new one (I have just heard the warehouse is empty - they are about to do a reprint!!)-I actually suggested to a mum at a talk last week who did the full elective Caesar bit first time(but wants to avoid a crying bub this time)that she might like to read the crying one first -I was a bit "chicken" (not being my sister!! - mine didnt even have any babies -had a hysterectomy at 36-and told me afterwards!so I share with mythoughts with my brothers gorgeous wife). I thought if she liked the Crying one and it isnt at all threatening -then she might decide to grab Parebnting By Heart - which is upfront about birthing - but hey, it does include an elective caesar story (briefly) between the empoweringbirth centre twins and home birth breach! Perhaps 100 Ways to Calm the Crying will be a subsitute for Babylove - unless of course she is wanting the controlled crying info. I dont give that!! (Baby love has plenty of practical stuff but does the CC in detail). Love Laughter and Parenting by Steve and Sharon Biddulph is a lovely and available parenting book. You could always throw in a membership to ABA . Best wishes, Pinky - Original Message - From: Robin Moon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Baby Shower / Pinky's book i"m trying to arrange a baby shower for my 40yr old sister having her 2nd after 14 yrs. I must have done something wrong with my midwifery skills at her first baby'seasy vaginal birth because she's rejected my services this time round to have[quote] "no more of that yucky stuff , I'm having an elective c/s."[end quote]... aarrrgh. Her obstetrician gaveher no opposition whatsoever. She's flatly refused to open any conversation with me about her choice, knowing that she doesnt want to hear my opinion or any alternative suggestions... I'm really so sad. At least she's thinking about breast feeding this time around, as last time she lasted 3 days before ditching it because of the unfamiliar and uncomfortablesensations it caused for her. At least i can work on that with her. However, moving on from that, I'm trying to compose a list of pressies for her baby shower. I cant for the life of me remember the proper name of Pinky's book although yesterday I was browsing it in Borders! She also wants ' Baby love' by Robin Barker. Should I leave this one on the list or surreptitiously remove it? hehe. What i'd REALLY like to loan her is Naomi Wolf's number, ' Misconceptions' but she's already cut me off dead about that.. Any other suggestions for appropriate reading material without being too ' in your face' about her choice? Robin
RE: [ozmidwifery] NMAP launch
Here is the link to the cover for the SA launch in The Advertiser. http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,5162645%255E91 1,00.html Christine -- From: Aviva Sheb'a[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP launch Hearty, hearty Congratulations to you all! brilliant! Aviva - Original Message - From: Larry Megan To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP launch Today's launch in Adelaide was wonderful, we had a standing ovation for NMAP and all of its hard working supporters. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby Shower / Pinky's book
how about Henci Goer's little gem "The thinking woman's guide to a better birth", having said that, it's pretty 'in your face"... Tania
[ozmidwifery] Re: [NMAPAustralia] ABC News - Lobby group presses for nationalmidwifery program
Title: Re: [NMAPAustralia] ABC News - Lobby group presses for national midwifery program Hello Listers NMAPers A few points in relation to the ABC coverage of the NMAP launch yesterday (those on Oz Mid see ABC posting below). I was quite disappointed in Auntie's coverage of the NMAP launch, particularly the comment they reported from the NSW Health Care Complaints Commissioner, Amanda Adrian. I called her this morning. She relayed what she said to the ABC and commented that she had been totally misrepresented. She applauded a consumer plan for maternity reform, she did say that focussing on one professional group was fatally flawed, however, that if this plan looked across the continuum then it was a positive step. So the ABC just chopped off the however bit, how convenient! She also quoted that complaints received by the commission were largely from obstetric care, she backed up our claims for increased midwife led care confirming their consistency with the NSW Sherman Report of 1989!!! and said that the argument against using midwives due to provider numbers was unnecessary as this presented government with an opportunity to be creative with funding. I am also concerned that as a national consumer body asserting our rights to evidence based and cost effective maternity care that we are branded with the negative lobby group tag. We are women and mothers fighting for what we are totally entitled to and it is a disgrace we are fighting at all!!! Yes we are lobbying, but if were a lobby group, then the AMA is the most powerful union in the country, constantly holding the government to ransom, often without cause. I am going to approach Media Watch this afternoon. I think they may be interested in this. Discounting 12 months work and a national campaign driven by women and mothers based on misrepresentation (and the unhelpful comments of Jackie Kelly re Medicare Provider numbers) is not on! Yours in the struggle and in solidarity Justine Caines Maternity Coalition Posted: Tue, 24 Sept 2002 7:59 ACST Lobby group presses for national midwifery program Australia is being urged to follow the lead of other OECD countries, such as New Zealand and the United Kingdom, and implement a national community midwifery service. The National Maternity Coalition has spent 12 months investigating the benefits and costs of a national community midwifery service. The program would give Australian women access to one-on-one care by a midwife from early in pregnancy until their baby is four to six weeks old. Coalition president Barbara Vernon says a national scheme could be up and running within five years by using the Western Australian Midwifery Program as a template. That's had two independent evaluations and has excellent clinical outcomes and women are highly satisfied with the care they receive, Dr Vernon said. However, New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commissioner Amanda Adrian has warned against focussing only on midwives. Any plan that focuses on practitioner groups only is fundamentally flawed, Ms Adrian said.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Hear Hear Denise!
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:07
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear All
Can I please suggest we do not create new
patterns and labels for women inn labour to fit.
Vbac is like a primip??The more you go where
women and their bodies and babies want to go the more you will come to
realise that individuality is every where
There are and wil always be
Primip have quick ("preciptate") labours
Grandmultips who have slow ("delayed" fail to
progress") labours
Because they may share their aprity with other
women but little else and so much can influence a woman, her body and baby in
laour and the art of midwfeery is about being with the woman with all her
complexities trying to understand and work with them, no some
preconceptions!Denise
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From:
Carolyn Donaghey
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:32
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Hi VeronicaWow, you seem to have your work cut out
for you. I will give you some good information to back up the validity
and the antiquity of the term VBAC.Refer to the book Silent Knife:
Cesarean Prevention and Vaginal Birth after Cesarean (1983) Nancy Wainer
Cohen Lois J Estner New York. This book is a must in the library
of any midwife supporting vbac women."In the 1970s, more studies
substaintiated the safety of VBAC; yet women were still being sectioned more
than 99percent of the time. Still, the winds of change were blowing.
In 1974, Nancy coined the term "VBAC" and by 1975 she was hearing the
acronym being used all over the country and was seeing it in medical
articles as well. " page 94 Silent KnifeThe book is
getting quite old now, but most of what is written still holds true today,
and it is a confronting and challenging book to give food for
thought.Congratulations Veronica on being informed and up-to-date
with the last 3 plus decades ;-)
.CarolynPS I was under the impression that a woman who
had never experienced pushing stage, would indeed push just like a first
time mother. Certainly was the case for my vbac, took me ages to work
out that oh this was pushing not more posterior labour DERR!Veronica
Herbert wrote:
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Dear all,
Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of the
word VBAC. The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to
change what I say!" When I said the term had been around since the late
70's (somebody said that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they
had never heard of it. Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break
and printed off copies of the paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind
Carolyn)wrote and I placed a copy in the postnatal ward, labour
ward, special care nursery, and the tea room.
Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have a
VBAC today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to push
for 20 minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she
hadn't pushed it out. Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that
that was a little unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm
dilated,and she had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/?
By the way, she got to about 5cms and was in good established labour
managing well, had a V.E (was quite disappointed that she was "Half way"),
had pethidine, contractions eased off and she went for a C/S!
from Veronica Herbert
(Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat)
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From: Jo
Dean Bainbridge
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear Lynne
It is good to hear that you don't use ECG
for vbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate
policies but they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need
those who LOVE policies to start to listen.) Where do you
work?
We would also like some stats to back the
success of vbac without ECG.
Could I send you a petition for your
(obviously intelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to
sign. Our RANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get
vbac out of the realm of normal and back into the good old High Risk
category.
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
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[ozmidwifery] Mareeba NMAP Launch!
Since we missed all the excitement and Launch celebrations in the capital cities we are having our own little NMAP launch out here in the sticks! Tomorrow the Mareeba Midwives will have a stall set up in the shopping centre (similar to what we do for Midwives Day). We will have a photo board of many of the babes who have been born throughout the year (most of their mothers being attended by a known midwife!). This photo board always attracts attention in our small community where everyone knows everyone else. We will have the NMAP petition for people to sign and will be discussing the NMAP and distributing information about it. Congratulationsto all of you who have worked on putting the NMAP together and coordinating the campaign thus far... stilla good bit of work to be done judging by a couple of the responses I have heard from various pollies and health spokespersons so far. Keep up the good work Sandra
