[ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Just wanted to add my voice to the growing crowd of long term breastfeeders. My son is also 5 and 1/2 years. He still "gets on" for a couple of minutes every few nights but went through a bit of a grieving process when the milk "dried up" about a year ago. I also have a story to tell about a visit to a GP.I was there for a pap smear and she asked me about mypast history including length of time breastfeeding.When I told her that Richard ( then 4 years) still fed at night some times...he (Richard) who was playing in the toy box beside me, piped up and added " and in the morning!" Oh yea I said..we both laughed. Anyway, all I can say is he is also a happy, healthy boy and comfort sucking has certainly helped us many times over the years to soothe him and stop that downward spiral. Helen Cahill
[ozmidwifery] shiatsu
Hello Thank you for letting me join your list - it is interesting to hear the debate in Australia. Some of your colleagues suggested that I could post you a message about my work. My name is Suzanne Yates and I am a UK shiatsu practitioner specialising in shiatsu, massage, exercise and maternity care. I thought you might like to know of my visit to Australia in September - mainly Melbourne and Adelaide - where I will be teaching two days of my shiatsu for midwives course. My book Shiatsu for midwives will be published in August. If you would like some more information please view my website www.wellmother.org or email me direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind regards Suzanne -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
La Leche League is about to publish a book on tandem feeding and breastfeeding in pregnancy. The author is Hilary Flower but Im not sure of the title. I'm pretty sure the 'launch' is at the LLLI conference in San Diego in July, don't know when it will be available in Australia. Meanwhile ABA might have some information for you Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Jane, If you or any one else is interested, could you tell me more about your experience with establishing tandem feeding. I expect to be doing it in the none to distant future. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/06/2003 2:37:22 pm Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi, Megan, I tandem fed Zac (now 10) and Daniel (now 8) Although Zac and Daniel are 2 years apart, they share the same birthday. Zac was always a very sucky baby, and fed every 1- 11/2 hrs as a baby. When my milk supply diminished during my pregnancy he kept on going. And got a pleasant surprise when there was a bountiful supply of milk when Daniel was born. Zac, on his second birthday, assisted us at Daniel's birth centre birth. Rubbed my back, gave me drinks and wasn't at all perturbed by labour and his brother's birth. They happily shared their titty. Zac was relegated to *his* side. Daniel, the baby, had his own side, plus whatever was left over. Daniel grew slowly outside the womb, and my milk supply was questioned by the experts, and weaning Zac was encouraged.. But, I think it was his growth pattern rather than any lack of milk. His wet and dirty nappies told us he was getting plenty. I can certainly vouch for the value of a toddler for draining an engorged breast. The only down side was that when Zac weaned (with encouragement, and the bribe of a light sabre) at 4.2 yrs, Daniel weaned shortly after. Daniel thinks of himself as the very independent one in the family. Proudly telling people that he weaned at a very young age, only 2 and a half! Zac and Daniel have always been the best of friends, always happy to share their belongings. And of course, I put it down to their tandem feeding experience! Love, Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Jane, If you or any one else is interested, could you tell me more about your experience with establishing tandem feeding. I expect to be doing it in the none to distant future. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/06/2003 2:37:22 pm Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Pinky, I tandem fed my children back in the 1970's and would be very happy to be interviewd if it would assist your research. I lived in a small conservative rural community and was regarded as the local sexual deviant and witch!! Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Have just been speaking to Larissa on the phone - mentioned I may need to interview her - her most vivid 'mammary' is having conjunctivitis when she was little and me squirting breastmilk into her sticky eye! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:16 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Jeanie - thats so sad but I can relate - I got a bit famous in our local community in the 70s I was a La Leche Group Leader in Nz in the 70s and the dear local Mormon girls came to see me about breastfeeding. When it had the desired -for them - natural child spacing effects, they were all in deep poo at their church (a baby was expected every year) - we lived in Hamilton near a large Mormon temple. I also worked weekends in a postnatal ward while I was still breastfeeding a then 4 year old and there was a lot of birth activism going on -the same women were in LLL and Parents centres / home birth movement etc so I often heard how weird we all were- hey but the fight was worth it -things did change - from rooming in to lots of birth options. My girls tandem nursed (born 80 and 83) - during pregnancy Larissa 'favoured' one side and said 'that is the babys booby' - as she stopped drinking from that side it produced colostrum while 'her' side continued to produced milk right through the pregnancy -then there was colostrum from both breasts after birth - milk in within 12 hours - 3 year old definitely helpful! It wasnt alwasy easy -there were days when I felt like a piece of meat being chewed on by two voracious puppies - At first, Larissa developed very severe middle ear infection and runny nose while I was in hospital (induction the works) and she drank some cow milk at home (allergy)although bfed when she came to visit me. Then as soon as I was home again Larissa nursed on her side when Sarah Nursed and then had Sarahs side by herself' later. Sarah was a very chubby baby and I felt she must have got a very good dose of hind milk -I really allowed them to nurse whenever either wanted. The importnat thing for me was to eat much more -I was a much faster burner then and often became quite lightheaded or tired . Rick used to say when did you last eat? which was helpful -after a good protein snack I was fine again. I will add you all to my Breastfeeders file -as soon as I get my head around it I will contact you. Has anyone read teh Contented little baby book of weaning?? I havent but have seen it on shelves Thanks Pinky - Original Message - From: Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Pinky, I tandem fed my children back in the 1970's and would be very happy to be interviewd if it would assist your research. I lived in a small conservative rural community and was regarded as the local sexual deviant and witch!! Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Have just been speaking to Larissa on the phone - mentioned I may need to interview her - her most vivid 'mammary' is having conjunctivitis when she was little and me squirting breastmilk into her sticky eye! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:16 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message -
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Just in case you need anymore Pinky, and it doesn't sound as though you do, I breastfed both my girls, one to 2 and one to 4 and 1/2 years after unsuccessfully trying to breastfeed my son Cheers Tina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Friday, 27 June 2003 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Jeanie - thats so sad but I can relate - I got a bit famous in our local community in the 70s I was a La Leche Group Leader in Nz in the 70s and the dear local Mormon girls came to see me about breastfeeding. When it had the desired -for them - natural child spacing effects, they were all in deep poo at their church (a baby was expected every year) - we lived in Hamilton near a large Mormon temple. I also worked weekends in a postnatal ward while I was still breastfeeding a then 4 year old and there was a lot of birth activism going on -the same women were in LLL and Parents centres / home birth movement etc so I often heard how weird we all were- hey but the fight was worth it -things did change - from rooming in to lots of birth options. My girls tandem nursed (born 80 and 83) - during pregnancy Larissa 'favoured' one side and said 'that is the babys booby' - as she stopped drinking from that side it produced colostrum while 'her' side continued to produced milk right through the pregnancy -then there was colostrum from both breasts after birth - milk in within 12 hours - 3 year old definitely helpful! It wasnt alwasy easy -there were days when I felt like a piece of meat being chewed on by two voracious puppies - At first, Larissa developed very severe middle ear infection and runny nose while I was in hospital (induction the works) and she drank some cow milk at home (allergy)although bfed when she came to visit me. Then as soon as I was home again Larissa nursed on her side when Sarah Nursed and then had Sarahs side by herself' later. Sarah was a very chubby baby and I felt she must have got a very good dose of hind milk -I really allowed them to nurse whenever either wanted. The importnat thing for me was to eat much more -I was a much faster burner then and often became quite lightheaded or tired . Rick used to say when did you last eat? which was helpful -after a good protein snack I was fine again. I will add you all to my Breastfeeders file -as soon as I get my head around it I will contact you. Has anyone read teh Contented little baby book of weaning?? I havent but have seen it on shelves Thanks Pinky - Original Message - From: Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Pinky, I tandem fed my children back in the 1970's and would be very happy to be interviewd if it would assist your research. I lived in a small conservative rural community and was regarded as the local sexual deviant and witch!! Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Have just been speaking to Larissa on the phone - mentioned I may need to interview her - her most vivid 'mammary' is having conjunctivitis when she was little and me squirting breastmilk into her sticky eye! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:16 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
