RE: [ozmidwifery] www.midwives.com.au not resolving for some
My husband had to fiddle a bit with our security to permit access to the site. Maybe your computer security system isn't letting you access the site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vida Rye Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] www.midwives.com.au not resolving for some Claudia Riley said: Mary, You're not the only one not being able to connect to this website. Anybody have any suggestions? and I can't access this site either from my ISP in NZ Mary and Claudia. I get the message that midwives.com.au cannot be found, please check the name and try again. That usually means it doesn't exist on the computer servers that you are using. It *may* be that yours and my Internet Service Provider (ISP) have been slow to update their nameservers (computer servers which have domain name info on them) if this is a new site then it can take up to 72 hours for a website domain name to propagate around the world so that when someone types the website name in (from whatever part of the planet they live) it turns up on their computer screen It says on www.domainwhitepages.com that this domain name was last modified on 15th August so it is relatively new so it may be that the nameserver information has only just been added in the last day or so and it is taking a while for certain ISPs to update their records?? In another couple of days we may be able to access it no worries. This is just a suggestion - might not be that at all... if the site has been up and running for a wee while, the nameservers should already be up-to-date amazes me that the world wide web works at all - is very complicated Best wishes Vida -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Maternity Coalition update
Dear All In the leadup to the federal election Maternity Coalition encourage you to speak to your sitting member and the candidates in your electorate about the need for reform of maternity services. You know pregnancy and birth are not an illness, yet our health system puts pregnant women at a serious disadvantage by treating it as an illness. Women are increasingly being forced by both federal and state government policy and funding into options of care that do not result in best outcomes. Mothers who want to give birth without unnecessary medical intervention or dangerous drugs are the most disadvantaged. At the same time midwives are facing serious restrictions to our practice. Two states, Tasmania and NT, have recently prevented midwives from offering private services, as they are not able to buy professional indemnity insurance. This has outlawed both homebirth and independent midwifery practice in those states. We do not yet know if midwives in Victoria will be prevented from continuing private practice after our renewal of registration at the end of this year. The Maternity Coalition works across Australia as the need for reform is complex and multi level requiring all members and supporters to take action where they are, as well as the MC members public activism. For example the Victorian branch is represented on the Vic governments Maternity Services Advisory Committee by branch president Leslie Arnott. In every state MC members represent the needs of women, midwives and families for equitable services at both local, state and national levels. But without broad support from other consumers and the midwifery profession and the community, the complex obstacles that need to be overcome will remain . We need your help! MC members will receive Birth Matters, which was mailed this week. Please use the information in Birth Matters to guide your efforts as an agent for change. Those on this list who are not members. Please consider rectifying this immediately. Go to HYPERLINK http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au; www.maternitycoalition.org.au and download a subscription form. If you *cannot* afford the $35 annual fee you can download most of the information from the website. (Midwives and others in related professions please note that the subscription fee is tax deductible). WA members can download a copy of Implementing NMAP in WA to take to the candidates for the next WA election, as well as end an endorsement via http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au/wa/wa_home.html I want to thank all who have already spoken up on radio call back, written or spoken to politicians, and made an effort. Lets not act like an oppressed social group. We have knowledge and we have a great potential to act. We must take responsibility for Australias birthing futures, we owe it to our children . Joy Johnston and Denise Hynd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems
I found the page as per link. Sunday, I downloaded the new Windows XP SP2 update that put up its own firewall as part of the package. I was unable to do anything including banking on line, yahoo games and opening links like these. I quickly removed this update as I have a good virus buster in VET. Could this be a problem for people in recent days? Just a thought. Cheers Barb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Wohlt Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems Hi Leanne, There doesn't seem to have been a link to the article..would be very interested to see it! Kirsten leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly supports Michle Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby herself she should be given a C/S due to the damage that is done through instrumental deliveries. www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178 Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alfalfa tea
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Alfalfa tea Hi Michelle, According to Susun Weed's The Wisewoman Herbal Childbearing Year, simple teas or infusions of nourishing herbs such as Comfrey, Raspberry Leaf, Nettles, Alfalfa or Red Clover encourage a plebtiful supply of breast milk and a relaxed, healthy mother. These mineral rich nourishing herbs also protect you from mineral loss during the stress of nursing and infant care. Rotate, using each one for a week, to derive the unique benefits that each offers. I'm pretty sure alfalfa is also inthe Weleda Nursing Mother's Tea which a lot of the women I see really enjoy in the first few months. Alfalfa is also high in vitamin K which is another good reason to add it to the 'can do' list for the breastfeeding months/years. Alfalfa tea has long been used by midwives to increase breastmilk quantity and quality. Hope this helps, Sue Hi everyone, Have been following the discussion about breastfeeding and ways of increasing supply. Just have a query has anyone had an experience with using alfalfa tea to increase supply? A friend of mine said she had an oversupply for 6 months which someone told her was due to drinking alfalfa tea. Cheers Michelle Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
[ozmidwifery] Re premmie death in NZ from bacteria
Hi all, Could someone please resubmit the email concerning the premmie baby who died recently in NZ from bacteria found in the formula feed he/she was given. I must have deleted it! Many thanks, Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fears parents using medication to replace the lullaby
An interesting article FYI Helen Fears parents using medication to replace the lullaby By Michael BradleySeptember 9, 2004 Frustrated parents are increasingly turning to pain-killers and other drugs to keep their children in check - a disturbing trend that researchers are labelling "social medication". The use of pain-killers and antihistamines to moderate the mood and behaviour of children has been found to be significantly more widespread than previously thought, an Australian study has found. And it's not just wild tantrums that are causing the medical interventions. Incidents as innocuous as a child being "grizzly", "unsociable", or "cranky because he lost his Elmo sunglasses" have been identified by parents as reasons for reaching for their "bottles of cure-all". While doctors warn the misuse of such drugs is dangerous, sociologists say their use is symptomatic of the inability of parents to cope with declining levels of time and support. The study was conducted by Melbourne researchers and is based on interviews with 40 parents with children aged under five on their use of over-the-counter drugs. Joe Tucci, the CEO of the Australian Childhood Foundation, attributes the finding to a "lack of confidence" among parents. "Parents lack time and they're looking for a quick fix," he said. "They're looking for something that can change their child's behaviour and they're increasingly looking to external solutions. The traditional approaches to parenting and discipline are being questioned by today's parents but what they are not sure about is what they should be replacing it with." Paracetamol can cause serious health problems and Professor Don Roberton, the president of pediatrics and child health for the Royal Australasian College of Physicians, says parents who use it to moderate a child's behaviour are misguided. "Treating the symptoms of a behavioural problem provides only a short-term benefit, if it produces any benefit at all," he said. "The use of sedating medication or pain-relieving medications to control behaviour is not appropriate. It certainly isn't helping their behavioural problems and these medicines have side effects." The NSW Poisons Information Centre received 4806 calls relating to paracetamol poisoning during 2002 - more than the number received for any other poison. The study findings have just been published in the September edition of Pediatrics, an American medical journal. Top of Page
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems
I have been having similar troubles with our antivirus protector. What particular part of the antivirus program do you have to disable to allow your usual software to be opened. Or do you have to go into the control panel.I know this is off the subject but it seems to come up a fair bit on the list. Thanks for any advice Helen C - Original Message - From: B G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems I found the page as per link. Sunday, I downloaded the new Windows XP SP2 update that put up its own firewall as part of the package. I was unable to do anything including banking on line, yahoo games and opening links like these. I quickly removed this update as I have a good virus buster in VET. Could this be a problem for people in recent days? Just a thought. Cheers Barb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Wohlt Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor problems Hi Leanne, There doesn't seem to have been a link to the article..would be very interested to see it! Kirsten leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I thought this article may be of interest - it certainly supports Michle Odent's contention that if a woman cant push out her baby herself she should be given a C/S due to the damage that is done through instrumental deliveries. www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488178 Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.864 (20040907) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi Denise, No need to apologies - not offended. Just trying to share my experiences and make sense of it all. It's all constructive - an important topic to be discussing on a list such as this. I've found that the support I giveto women choosing to birth inhospital has generally been welcomed by the midwives, however there have been the odd few that have been less than impressed. This reaction always intrigues me as I see how busy the midwives are, particularly at the large teaching hospital in my area. It is truely like a baby factory and the midwives are run off their feet. I find this reaction very strange and would like to try and understand it - any ideas?? Jo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise HyndSent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 1:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo I was not intending any reflection on doulas and I apologise if that is how my comments came across. I was reflecting on my expereinces and understanding of birth! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi all, I have been reading the discussion on doula's with interest and am intrigued by some of the more negative comments towards the 'doula' profession. I tirelessly work for Homebirth Access Sydney and Homebirth Australia - co-ordinating both groups. Which also involves supporting Maternity Coalition and the wonderful Justine Caines. I consider myself a staunch advocate for women centred and best practice care. I run Active Birth workshopsand I work as a doula in my local community. I have 4 children - 3 of whom were born at home with a midwife and a doula, as well as other family members. Working as a doula in the hospital system has been so eliquently explained by Honey and Vida that i won't go into it. What I really wanted to remark on is the role of the doula when 1-2-1 midwifery led care is present. I'm interested to understand the idea that if we were to have a system like NZ why there wouldn't be the need for doula's? Our roles are very different and a doula can be a benefit in all birth settings. I was approached by our local homebirth midwife and asked to assist her and her clients at their homebirths, which i have been doing for about 6 months now. The midwife pays me - not the women and we workreally well together, supporting one another the whole way. Which of course in turn supports the woman and her family. It is working wonderfully and have only had positive feedback from the families whom i have supported. Doula's benefit women, but they can also benefit midwives - even in an ideal system! cheers Jo Hunter From: Nigel Berni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 9:44 PMTo: jojoSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] doula article - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Honey I agree with all you say I am only asking for the full story to be in the article that as you say Doulas are needed by women in a system that is not women centred. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article HI Kylie Iam a Doula (or Birth Buddy as we call ourselves)and can put you in touch with the midwifes we work with here in the public hospital in Townsville. We are welcomed by them and work well together. if that interests you email me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Denyse I know 1-2-1 midwifery care would be the best option, but as we do not have that yet (I am one of the many consumers here pushing for it and a birth centre currently) Doulas fill that gap and more. On average a woman here going through our hospital system can see up to 35 different midwives through the course of her pregnancy and birth. On the other hand I develop a relationship with my clients,buildingtrust and knowing them is so important, I do not leave them when my shift is up, I stay and support throughout the length of the labour. I also know of quite a few women who have other women, support people, mothers and or doulas even when they have 1-2-1 midwifery care. As someone else said we support the partners too, how often does a one on
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week
Hi all, Just writing to remind you that Homebirth Awareness week is coming up - 25th - 31st October. The National Homebirth Conference in Perth coincides with HBAW this year. If you'd like to do something in your community to celebrate and help educate, now is the time to get the ball rolling. Homebirth Access Sydeny in the past have held a family picnic with stalls and kids activities, an info day about Homebirth with different speakers, set up a homebirth table at local libraries, had stalls at markets. Use your imagination and contact your local rag to cover the story. If you'd like to email something to me about what you or your group plan to do I'll have our website person add it to our events page. Cheers Jo Hunter Homebirth Australia Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney Coordinator Innate Birth CBE and doula
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
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Dear List This note is for all of the Midwifery course coordinators and Graduate midwives in 2005. My name is Felicity Cummins and I am the Grad Mid coordinator at Mildura Base Hospital. I am in the process of finalising the details about the program but I can tell you that there will be 3-4 positions available for a 12 month course beginning in Feb 2005. There will be6study days containing every topic imaginable, including, care of the sick neonate, midwifery emergencies and home birth. The ward work involves supported practice in Antenatal, Birthing and Postnatal care as well as Special Care Nursery. There is also opportunity for the Grads to become involved in a new Continuity of Care program if they so wish. The program also includesthree community days where the participants are able to experience the links in the community for women and families pre and post birth. Our ward is a fantastic place to work with a great team of happy and dynamic midwives who have a keen focus on education and best practice. My aim is to provide a large amount of basic information and an environment of supported practice for the consolidation of knowledge. I am passionate about nurturing midwives entering the workforce, as these people are the future of midwifery and the future carers of women, children and their families. I know the importance of a great start and I hope that I can provide this tosome of you 2005. Please feel free to contact me off list for your individual questions. I am also very willing to meet any of you for a guided tour of our ward and hospital at any time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Felicity Cummins
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
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did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
does anyone have any ideas why I would have received 10 copies of this email and 2 or 3 or frome others? My virus checker (symantec) is picking up at least 6 virus's a day. thanks, M
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Yep. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
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yes, i did to. Tania - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] introduction
Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Only a dozen times?your lucky *smile*I had 30. colleen Ps I am in the process of moving from Kuala Lumpur to Australia I do not wish to be removed from this list as it has been a real boost to me BUT I have to leave of while I have no internet connection for 2 months Please advise - Original Message - From: Ping Lerchbacher To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Yep. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Hi Tanya, Nice to see you on here! Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Tanya drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.867 (20040909) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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so did i. Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Tania Laurie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 yes, i did to. Tania - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group. ______ NOD32 1.867 (20040909) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
[ozmidwifery] re NCAD stuff up!
I am sooo sorry this has happened I have NO idea why this has happened! I have never had this problem before and I am on the hunt for what is wrong! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!! Jo!
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Yes!! On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 09:31 AM, Kirsten Blacker wrote: did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day Expressions of Emotional Healing. We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite small and the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet Expressions of Emotional Healing. yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SA core group.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Hi Tanya! I'm Kirsten, and I am a first year Bachelor of Midwifery student too. I am at Monash University in Victoria. I have about 9 follow throughs so far, 3 who have recently had their babies and 1 due any day now, and have so far found it to be an amazing experience. Even though I am explicit with these women in that I am unable and unqualified to give them any advice, just having me there at their doctors visits and ringing them up seems to make them so comfortable - maybe not happy exactly, but something akin to it. They ask my opinion (which it is very difficult not to give, but so far so good!), and want to tell me what is happening to them and their bodies, without me even having to ask much. I think all pregnant women have a kind of feeling that they are the first in the world to have a baby - I know I felt that way! :) It is a unique experience, and you can't help feeling a peculiar pride and sense that something miraculous is going on for you, that surely hasn't REALLY been experienced by anyone else. So to have someone like you or me showing care and excitement for them and their journey just seems to reinforce to the follow through woman that she really is special and important, and makes them want to open up and share things and bring you into their life. That is so inarticulate, but I am quite happy thinking about it, so my thoughts are getting jumbled!! :) The doctors that I have seen with my follow throughs have been really kind and supportive, and insist on helping me to palpate abdomens and listen to the baby's heart either with their stethoscopes or with the doppler. They explain everything they do really nicely and seem keen to involve me. Maybe I've just been lucky. Midwives in the hospitals have also been very positive and proactive in explaining what they are doing and why. While I can't actually be involved in assisting anyone in the birth beyond being there and bringing ice (!!), the midwives have been keen to show me the placenta or explain how to feel for contractions, bits and pieces like that which are all so important. Our 2nd years who are out in the clinical environment now also report being really well accepted by the teams of midwives they are working with - no negative feedback at all, which I was worried about too. I think we have made a good decision to do this course Tanya. At a time where midwives are in demand, a demand which will hopefully increase if midwifery led care does get the support and promotion it deserves, I think we will be really well placed to make a positive contribution to many families. Especially with the support and unofficial mentoring of groups like this one. Can't listen to them enough :) Sorry that was such a long spiel!! Enjoy, enjoy! Kirsten -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
2 months and you would be overrun. I was away a week and had 160 in my inbox. That was just ozmid too. Judy C Van Onselen Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only a dozen times?your lucky *smile*I had 30. colleen Ps I am in the process of moving from Kuala Lumpur to Australia I do not wish to be removed from this list as it has been a real boost to me BUT I have to leave of while I have no internet connection for 2 months Please advise - Original Message - From: Ping Lerchbacher To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Yep. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
About 15 actually! Thought I was really popular with so many mails coming in Katrina :-) On 10/09/2004, at 9:31 AM, Kirsten Blacker wrote: did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerDean Jo/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCc:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004/x-tad-bigger Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day Expressions of Emotional Healing. We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite small and the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet Expressions of Emotional Healing. yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SA core group.
[ozmidwifery] antenatal notes template
Hi, can i get advice please regarding antenatal notes? Are there any independents out there who make their own version of the hand held notes? I am looking at making my own, partly due to having to for uni, but also for myself eventually when i'm independent. Or any ideas on where to find really good ones? Kirsten student midwife Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Dear Tanya You are definitely doing the right thing. Hang in there! Ann Grieve Tanya drumm wrote: Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH
FYI http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/446983%3fformat=html kIRSTEN DARWIN ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
Re: [ozmidwifery] antenatal notes template
I certainly do, but don't have them on the computer. I would have to snail mail them to you. If you want to do that, email me off list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM Are there any independents out there who make their own version of the hand held notes? Or any ideas on where to find really good ones?
RE: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Hi Kirsten and Tanya (BMid students)The future of midwifery is looking good with students as enthusiastic as yourselves. Best wishes Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Wohlt Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi Tanya! I'm Kirsten, and I am a first year Bachelor of Midwifery student too. I am at Monash University in Victoria. I have about 9 follow throughs so far, 3 who have recently had their babies and 1 due any day now, and have so far found it to be an amazing experience. Even though I am explicit with these women in that I am unable and unqualified to give them any advice, just having me there at their doctors visits and ringing them up seems to make them so comfortable - maybe not happy exactly, but something akin to it. They ask my opinion (which it is very difficult not to give, but so far so good!), and want to tell me what is happening to them and their bodies, without me even having to ask much. I think all pregnant women have a kind of feeling that they are the first in the world to have a baby - I know I felt that way! :) It is a unique experience, and you can't help feeling a peculiar pride and sense that something miraculous is going on for you, that surely hasn't REALLY been experienced by anyone else. So to have someone like you or me showing care and excitement for them and their journey just seems to reinforce to the follow through woman that she really is special and important, and makes them want to open up and share things and bring you into their life. That is so inarticulate, but I am quite happy thinking about it, so my thoughts are getting jumbled!! :) The doctors that I have seen with my follow throughs have been really kind and supportive, and insist on helping me to palpate abdomens and listen to the baby's heart either with their stethoscopes or with the doppler. They explain everything they do really nicely and seem keen to involve me. Maybe I've just been lucky. Midwives in the hospitals have also been very positive and proactive in explaining what they are doing and why. While I can't actually be involved in assisting anyone in the birth beyond being there and bringing ice (!!), the midwives have been keen to show me the placenta or explain how to feel for contractions, bits and pieces like that which are all so important. Our 2nd years who are out in the clinical environment now also report being really well accepted by the teams of midwives they are working with - no negative feedback at all, which I was worried about too. I think we have made a good decision to do this course Tanya. At a time where midwives are in demand, a demand which will hopefully increase if midwifery led care does get the support and promotion it deserves, I think we will be really well placed to make a positive contribution to many families. Especially with the support and unofficial mentoring of groups like this one. Can't listen to them enough :) Sorry that was such a long spiel!! Enjoy, enjoy! Kirsten -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), Tanya I'm not a midwife so I can't offer any suggestions but I am curious about the difference between the two different methods of study to becoming a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some people refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the reasons why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery? Thanks Honey [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tanya drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH
I wonder what the verdict would be on an 'abortion' after the legally viable period of 24 weeks mentioned in this article. Without getting into the ethics of abortion, i think perhaps that was the defining point in this case - the fact that the baby was 32 weeks and well past the cut off for being 'viable'. Curious. Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/446983%3fformat=htmlkIRSTEN nbsp; How cannbsp;this woman get charged for murder when hundreds of thousands of babies in America and all over the western world, are killed by choice, deliberately?? I find it baffling that if a woman chooses tonbsp;kill her baby legally,nbsp;it's called an abortion, but if a woman takes drugs and the baby dies then it's murder??!! nbsp; Love Abby nbsp; -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re NCAD stuff up!
Forgiven :) - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re NCAD stuff up! I am sooo sorry this has happened I have NO idea why this has happened! I have never had this problem before and I am on the hunt for what is wrong! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!! Jo!
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Hi Tanya, Welcome and good luck with your follow thrus. re your external studying of the BMid at SA, are you required to attend the uni at all or can you do the whole course externally? Jayne - Original Message - From: Tanya drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Hi Tanya hang in there! I am in my first year as a studnet midwife also, but I do the B of Nursing first, only because when I wanted to do it, this was the only way. So here I am finally fulfulling my dream. Personally, I can not see the big deal, ultimately whatever way we choose to become a midwife means just that, we will still be wonderful, supportive and passionate midwives. This does not change due to our training method. Good Luck with it! Katrina :-) Hi everyone, I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should introduce myself to you all. My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, Tas. I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted). I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too. I am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. Tanya _ Click here for the latest chart ringtones: http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH
Maybe this could deter illegal drug use in pregnancy though... On 10/09/2004, at 3:10 PM, Kirsten Wohlt wrote: I wonder what the verdict would be on an 'abortion' after the legally viable period of 24 weeks mentioned in this article. Without getting into the ethics of abortion, i think perhaps that was the defining point in this case - the fact that the baby was 32 weeks and well past the cut off for being 'viable'. Curious. Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/ 446983%3fformat=htmlkIRSTEN nbsp; How cannbsp;this woman get charged for murder when hundreds of thousands of babies in America and all over the western world, are killed by choice, deliberately?? I find it baffling that if a woman chooses tonbsp;kill her baby legally,nbsp;it's called an abortion, but if a woman takes drugs and the baby dies then it's murder??!! nbsp; Love Abby nbsp; -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
