Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals
Thank you. I will pass it on. Kate - Original Message - From: Jenny Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals The book "Birthing From Within. An extraordinary Guide to Childbirth Preparation" (1998;Partera Press) by Pam England and Rob Horowitz could be useful for your friend. Best Wishes. Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMProMid Professional Midwifery Education Service0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Kate /or Nick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals My closest friend is pregnant with her first. Because of various psych issues, including fairly spectacular panic attacks, she has always been adamant that the only way she can birth is c/s with GA. She's now 15 weeks along and I have got her prepared to attempt a cold epidural induction. I hope to improve on that in the next few months, but I figure we already have a vast improvement. Kate - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals I don't think the disgust was aimed at the womanchoosing epidurals. It was to the OB's and the way they were in the said situations, blatantly using their power to undermine and misinform these woman. I am all for informed choice, not scaring woman half to death about the idea of pain and the suggestion that they cannot cope with the pain by the OB. Thats whats sickening to me. Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals Im not sure what the big deal is. If a woman decides that she would like an epidural before an induction is started why shouldn't she have it. Are we not here to surpport women in there wishes and if their wish is for a pain free labour shouldn't we try to do that for them. Not everyone is the same and should we not try to meet everyones needs. And a PCA during labour, what a great idea if thats what she wants, then she is than incontrol of her own pain relief. Women in control of their of their labour and their needs. Nicole - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals This isterrible. What next!"Would you like to come in at 35 weeks because I'm going on a golf convention and my colleague is fully booked with inductions, epidurals and post-partum haemorrhagesfor the next 3 months!! Makes you wonder doesn't it! Kim. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/11/2004 3:34:27 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals Larissa thats exactly the same reason as the Ob stated up here, not once, but to many woman i saw him with. "The anaesthetist isn't always available or at work on certain days, so if you go into labour naturally you won't be guaranteed any pain relief BUT if we induce you on Monday when hes available and give you an epidural at the same time, you will get the pain relief and won't have to worry about going into labour when hes not on. What the OB said to MANY woman.I was nearly sick. Kirsten Darwin ...~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: "Larissa Inns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals
what a shame women deciding even before they have come into labour wanting epidurals. These women must be unsure of what thier own bodies can do. Not to mention the fact that they have no faith in the support persons such as the midwife. there is a lot for the case of continuity of care and carer roll on more community based midwifery practices where women are empowered and have faith in what nature decided they should be able to do. sharon heath mid student 3rd year.UNISA - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals This concept of control is one which really interests me, and has done for some time now... How often do we hear women saying things like "I needed an epidural because I was getting out of control" or "I don't want to be out of control so I'm having an epidural"? Seems a bit of an oxymoron to me, that the one thing (an epidural, anaesthetising you from the waist down) that is sure to take away any control you might have over your body, and quite possibly your birth, is the thing many women (and many care providers too) perceive as offering them that control...hmm, what does that say about true informed consent, and women and care providers attitudes towards pain, what it means, and how to deal with it? I'm not saying for a minute that women should be denied pain relief if that's what they choose. I just think that we should think very carefully before presenting pain relief as a tool to help a woman maintain or regain control. To me, awoman huffing, panting, shrieking, moaning, grasping to those around her, doesn't representsomeone who is out of control, or that needs to be rescued. If that woman chooses an epidural, and is aware of the potential risks etc, then all power to her. But I won't be presenting it to her in the 'menu' of pain relief (thanks Nicky Leap) as something that will help her regain control. Food for thought Tania - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals Im not sure what the big deal is. If a woman decides that she would like an epidural before an induction is started why shouldn't she have it. Are we not here to surpport women in there wishes and if their wish is for a pain free labour shouldn't we try to do that for them. Not everyone is the same and should we not try to meet everyones needs. And a PCA during labour, what a great idea if thats what she wants, then she is than incontrol of her own pain relief. Women in control of their of their labour and their needs. Nicole - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals This isterrible. What next!"Would you like to come in at 35 weeks because I'm going on a golf convention and my colleague is fully booked with inductions, epidurals and post-partum haemorrhagesfor the next 3 months!! Makes you wonder doesn't it! Kim. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/11/2004 3:34:27 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals Larissa thats exactly the same reason as the Ob stated up here, not once, but to many woman i saw him with. "The anaesthetist isn't always available or at work on certain days, so if you go into labour naturally you won't be guaranteed any pain relief BUT if we induce you on Monday when hes available and give you an epidural at the same time, you will get the pain relief and won't have to worry about going into labour when hes not on. What the OB said to MANY woman.I was nearly sick. Kirsten Darwin ...~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: "Larissa Inns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:cold epidurals I just looked after a womanwho had one (epidural) booked prior to induction - reason given was that "the anaesthetist
[ozmidwifery] IMPLEMENTING NMAP IN NSW
Hi listers If you truly believe that all Australian women should have the choice of their own midwife through local Community Midwifery programs read on. Here's your chance to influence NSW maternity services by getting as many midwives and consumers from this list onto the new Area Health Advisory Councils. At last we have an opportunity to support the case for community midwifery at local level and back up all the hard work Justine and Barb have put in nationally. Applications are now open for Members and the Chair person for all of the newly structured NSW Health Areas (as advertised in last week's SMH) Further information can be found at http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pbh/councils.html You will need three referees and a lot of good reasons why you should sit on these influential Councils but I figure there are enough listers who have the required written/verbal/communication and presentation skills, and plenty of experience in conflict resolution. If we can get enough Maternity Coalition members onto these Advisory Councils we can make lots of positive changes to the fragmented maternity services of NSW and get midwifery services out into the community where they belong. Make your move quickly as applications close Friday, 26th November 2004. Listers living in other states and territories should check with their Health Departments as to whether they are undergoing similar restructuring. Looking forward to hearing of many successful applications via the 2005 Members List. Who knows, we might even have some Chair persons! Yours in best practice Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] ACMI bulletin link
Hi Barb Thanks for this offer. I have been going to call you for the last few days but don't know where the day-time hours go lately. Just wanted to tell you I caught the last ten minutes of your Radio talk - (with Theo) and thought it went along really well. I was totally impressed with what I heard from both of you. A few of my friends caught it as did my brother so it had a wider audience than the ozmidwifery list. Well done! Catch up with you one of these days. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 3 Nov, 2004, at 18:11, Dr Barbara Vernon wrote: x-tad-biggerDear all,/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerlatest College of Midwives e-bulletin/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerhas been issued today, with an update on midwifery issues, media interviews and other activities in recent weeks:/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerIf you would like to receive this monthly e-bulletin automatically you are most welcome to join the bulletin list whether or not you are a member of the College (though of course we would welcome your support through membership!! visit/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerfor more info). Just follow the instructions at the end of the bulletin./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerKind regards, Barb./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerDr Barbara Vernon/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerExecutive Officer/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAustralian College of Midwives/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerPh +61 2 6230 7333/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerMob 0438 855 529/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger'Midwifery: Pathways to Healthy Nations'/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger27th Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerBrisbaneConvention Centre, 24-28 July 2005/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerwww.midwives2005.com/index.shtml/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose
I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on the list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended again, feel that we should not post anymore on the subject. What do others think? Sally - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making that decision for other people. I use to work in a unit were we did many terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that was not compatable with life. Do we force these women to go to term with these babies because they are still living at the time of the termination. I don't think women make these choices lightly. I would hate to see womens lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and they had to start to do there own back yard jobs. Which would be worse? The fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made. I worked with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the baby out, what do we do with these women. I wish the answer was as clear cut as the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it. Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through things against our own wishes. God help the woman who are rapped and falls pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you were put through. Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children, these lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now. I wonder how many people would adopt extra children just so they could live. And there is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to puting children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad. We can't even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children to that. Nicole - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose and how dare anyone take that right away. Nicole How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being terminated. If I was about to be killed because someone decided I should be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose
Yes Sally, I agree. It is a very emotive subject, and personal views on it can be held very strongly. There probably isn't one right answer to this one. The bottom line is we are all human beings, and deserve our wishes to be respected, if we are fully informed. We must not impose our views on others. Kind regards to all, Nicole Carver. - Original Message - From: sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on the list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended again, feel that we should not post anymore on the subject. What do others think? Sally - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making that decision for other people. I use to work in a unit were we did many terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that was not compatable with life. Do we force these women to go to term with these babies because they are still living at the time of the termination. I don't think women make these choices lightly. I would hate to see womens lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and they had to start to do there own back yard jobs. Which would be worse? The fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made. I worked with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the baby out, what do we do with these women. I wish the answer was as clear cut as the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it. Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through things against our own wishes. God help the woman who are rapped and falls pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you were put through. Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children, these lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now. I wonder how many people would adopt extra children just so they could live. And there is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to puting children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad. We can't even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children to that. Nicole - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose and how dare anyone take that right away. Nicole How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being terminated. If I was about to be killed because someone decided I should be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right toChoose
Totally agree! Let's leave this one alone for a while. We have done the abortion and religion debates enough so let's move back to the actual subject matter for this list. Also, can we keep in mind the original posting was information spreading and those not interested could have just left it alone...just like others do when there is something that is of little interested in. I know some might argue that I jump on the topics I am passionate about (cs and vbac) but politics outside the context of birthing/maternity is really not the most appropriate topic for this forum. Hey! You could get me going about Bush being re-elected but I won't go there! Now THAT would be something I could get really passionate about!!! Ha ha!!! With love and respect to ALL on this list Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sally Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right toChoose I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on the list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended again, feel that we should not post anymore on the subject. What do others think? Sally - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making that decision for other people. I use to work in a unit were we did many terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that was not compatable with life. Do we force these women to go to term with these babies because they are still living at the time of the termination. I don't think women make these choices lightly. I would hate to see womens lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and they had to start to do there own back yard jobs. Which would be worse? The fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made. I worked with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the baby out, what do we do with these women. I wish the answer was as clear cut as the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it. Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through things against our own wishes. God help the woman who are rapped and falls pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you were put through. Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children, these lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now. I wonder how many people would adopt extra children just so they could live. And there is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to puting children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad. We can't even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children to that. Nicole - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose and how dare anyone take that right away. Nicole How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being terminated. If I was about to be killed because someone decided I should be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] ABC Feedback
Howdy all, you will be pleased to know that 3 or 4 positive e-mails and calls were viewed on the ABC Feedback show thanking GNT and their homebirth story. Another little bit of cover that all helps, cheers Megan This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's RighttoChoose
God if i got started on the whole bush thing they'd be no stopping me either!!! Kirsten darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's RighttoChoose Totally agree! Let's leave this one alone for a while. We have done the abortion and religion debates enough so let's move back to the actual subject matter for this list. Also, can we keep in mind the original posting was information spreading and those not interested could have just left it alone...just like others do when there is something that is of little interested in. I know some might argue that I jump on the topics I am passionate about (cs and vbac) but politics outside the context of birthing/maternity is really not the most appropriate topic for this forum. Hey! You could get me going about Bush being re-elected but I won't go there! Now THAT would be something I could get really passionate about!!! Ha ha!!! With love and respect to ALL on this list Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sally Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right toChoose I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on the list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended again, feel that we should not post anymore on the subject. What do others think? Sally - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making that decision for other people. I use to work in a unit were we did many terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that was not compatable with life. Do we force these women to go to term with these babies because they are still living at the time of the termination. I don't think women make these choices lightly. I would hate to see womens lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and they had to start to do there own back yard jobs. Which would be worse? The fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made. I worked with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the baby out, what do we do with these women. I wish the answer was as clear cut as the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it. Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through things against our own wishes. God help the woman who are rapped and falls pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you were put through. Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children, these lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now. I wonder how many people would adopt extra children just so they could live. And there is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to puting children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad. We can't even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children to that. Nicole - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose and how dare anyone take that right away. Nicole How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being terminated. If I was about to be killed because someone decided I should be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.918 (20041108) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics
Re: [ozmidwifery] ABC Feedback
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all, you will be pleased to know that 3 or 4 positive e-mails and calls were viewed on the ABC Feedback show thanking GNT and their homebirth story. Another little bit of cover that all helps, cheers Megan This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Megan, I had a look on the ABC website for the feedback show that has transcripts, and I can't find anything about comments about the homebirth... am I looking in the right place? http://www.abc.net.au/feedback/episodes/s1236789.htm Thanks :) Love Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] ABC Feedback
Hi Jo, I can't see it either. A friend had the TV on and happen to hear my name, she then saw the other comments supporting the story. So I can't be of any more use than that I'm afraid, Megan This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Arthritis in pregnancy
Have a friend whose 30 yr old cousin has developed arthritis, she is six months pregnant and confined to a wheelchair. This has only happened since she was pregnant, does anyone have any experience or has anyone heard of this before. I believe she is consulting a rheumatologist, but they are looking for any info out there. Thanks Sheena Johnson
Re: [ozmidwifery] Arthritis in pregnancy
Gosh this sounds terrible. I'm sorry I have no info or relevant experiences to share but I'd be interested in what the rest of the group can offer?? Kiwi Kim. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/11/2004 3:51:58 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Arthritis in pregnancy Have a friend whose 30 yr old cousin has developed arthritis, she is six months pregnant and confined to a wheelchair. This has only happened since she was pregnant, does anyone have any experience or has anyone heard of this before. I believe she is consulting a rheumatologist, but they are looking for any info out there. Thanks Sheena Johnson
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose
I agree Sally. Tania - Original Message - From: sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on the list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended again, feel that we should not post anymore on the subject. What do others think? Sally - Original Message - From: Nicole Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making that decision for other people. I use to work in a unit were we did many terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that was not compatable with life. Do we force these women to go to term with these babies because they are still living at the time of the termination. I don't think women make these choices lightly. I would hate to see womens lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and they had to start to do there own back yard jobs. Which would be worse? The fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made. I worked with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the baby out, what do we do with these women. I wish the answer was as clear cut as the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it. Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through things against our own wishes. God help the woman who are rapped and falls pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you were put through. Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children, these lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now. I wonder how many people would adopt extra children just so they could live. And there is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to puting children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad. We can't even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children to that. Nicole - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose and how dare anyone take that right away. Nicole How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being terminated. If I was about to be killed because someone decided I should be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me. Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
