[ozmidwifery] 24th HBA Conference Poster Presentations
Hi ozmidders, Just to let you know that the early bird rate for the Homebirth Conference finishes on May 31st. We are only able to fit 200 in the Conference Centre and spaces are filling up rapidly. If you are coming and have not yet registered, it would be wise to do so quickly. Below is a call for abstracts for your interest Jo Hunter HBA National Convenor Call for Abstracts : Poster Presentations 24th Homebirth Australia Conference Background: Homebirth Australia is holding the 24th HBA national conferenceJuly 1-2, 2006in Geelong, Victoria. The conference is titled Bringing birth back Home. Central to the theme is that care from a known midwife is a safe model of care and represents the gold standard for care given to women through pregnancy,birth and postnatally. Many women in regional and rural areas of Australia are unable to access this model of care. International and Australian speakers will share their ideas and plans to enable birth to be reclaimed by women and bought home into their communities to improve the outcomes for Australian women and their families. Submissions of abstracts are warmly welcomed by conference delegates of current research or midwifery projects to be displayed at the 24th Homebirth Australia conference.Thecriteria for submissions is as follows: 1) Abstracts of no more than 200 words are to be sent to the24th Homebirth Australia Conference poster presentation selection committee by email or hard copy outlining the name of the project, institution, authors and content of poster presentationby COB May 31 2006. Please include your name, address, phone and email details. 2) Priority will be given to current projects relevant to the conference theme of bringing birth back home to local communities for indigenous and non-indigenous women across remote and ruralAustralia.Relevant research projects that identify or aim to improve access tohomebirth, one-to-one midwifery care or relevant maternity issues will also be considered. 3) Priority will be given to researcherswho are alsoregistered as a delegate at the conference. All submissions will be considered and we aim to include as many as possible.All applicants will be notified of the outcome of theirsubmissionsby June 7, 2006. Please note the criteria for the size of thefinal poster presentation is strictlyno bigger than 50 cms width x 75 cm length (poster size). The poster presentations will provide an opportunity for information exchange, exposurefor theresearcher/project and generates the theme of 'continuation' and 'reclamation'.There will bean opportunity for successful applicants tospeak withother delegates about their poster presentationduring all meal breaks. In additiona prize will be given for the best poster presentation as determined by conference delegates. Submission of abstracts are as follows please: 1) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]with 'Submission of poster abstract for 24th HBA Conference' written in the subject heading of the email please. or 2)Mail postmarked on or before May 31 2006 to the following address: 24th Homebirth Australia Conference poster presentation selection committee c/- Penny Lalor, 16 Lawton Avenue Geelong West VIC 3218 For more information please contact Penny Lalor: (03) 52218375 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information about conference registration can be found at http://www.homebirthaustralia.org/conference.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 16/05/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Okay, this woman I have been talking of is now ready to de-brief her birth, I will be seeing her tomorrow and she wants to know why it went the way it did (it has been troubling her). I can explain the complexities of a posterior presentation, but I was wondering, into what detail would you go into about the sexual assault and the blocking she experienced? She did not like the sensation of the baby coming down at all. Do I explain how this can affect things, and that it might be an idea to do some healing / groups which can help her work through her trauma to better prepare her next time? Or is it inappropriate? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 11:32 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Yes yes yes! To what Abby said! My first experience of rape was from an obstetrician and I'm so not alone with that. J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Hi Kelly, You can contact Natalie Dash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nat has supported quite a few women with an abusive history. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but it is important to recognise that some women experience sexual abuse for the first time while birthing. ie. an ob or midwife demands to do a VE while the woman is adimantly opposed or an episiotomy is performed while a woman and her partner are saying NO! or, as in with my first birth, being held down by a midwife and ob while he shoved his hand inside me and made rude remarks how I was not cooperating! More and more sexual assault is happening in birthing units and it needs t be addressed. 'NO MEANS NO' no matter what your proffession. Just because it's in a hospital or because it's an OB, doesn't mean it's okay. I would like to read more about this but am heading away for a week. I'll look forward to catching up with others advice when I get back. Love Abby Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any tips on working with women who have been involved with sexual assault? Loaded birth - she also lost her mother recently - so trying to get lots of tips and suggestions. she's feeling fearful of interventions and is due soon. The hospital recommended she get extra support so she contacted me. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?
That's a great term! Thanks, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Isis CapleSent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:25 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Empowered Birth After Caesarean J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 2:20 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Im glad you asked Nicole, thay way more of us will know!! : ) Di - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Forgive my ignorance, but what is an EBAC? Thanks,Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Philippa ScottSent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi, I am in Townsville where we (Birth Buddies) have had a few clients have VBACS and EBACs. The Townsville Hospital (public) is the best bet up here. I have had a VBAC there to and am always pleased to help those planning VBACs. I can be contacted if you like on 47734075 or 0407648349. Cheers Philippa ScottBirth Buddies - DoulaAssisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour.President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 8:57 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi Penny - she would be very welcome at Selangor, but Nambour is a little far from Cairns! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: penny burrows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi everyone I have some childbirth education clients that are planning a move to Qld - somewhere between Airlie Beach and Cairns. The mum had a previous caesarean as her baby was breech (arghhh!!) and she really wants to land somewhere where she will be supportend to birth vaginally this time. She is 27 weeks pregnant and planning to move next week so we are in a rush to find a destination!! Anyone have any clues as to supportive obstetricians, doctors, midwives up that way? She doesn't want to birth at home so is looking for support in a hospital/ birth centreenvironment. Thanks in anticipation, Penny Burrows - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stop me!. Now Im on the thread I cant seem to stop. MM Update of: Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD001056. Periconceptional supplementation with folate and/or multivitamins for preventing neural tube defects.Lumley J, Watson L, Watson M, Bower C.Centre for the Study of Mothers' and Children's Health, La Trobe University, 251 Faraday St, Carlton, Vic, Australia, 3053. [EMAIL PROTECTED]BACKGROUND: Neural tube defects arise during the development of the brain and spinal cord. OBJECTIVES: The objective of this review was to assess the effects of increased consumption of folate or multivitamins on the prevalence of neural tube defects periconceptionally (that is before pregnancy and in the first two months of pregnancy). SEARCH STRATEGY: We searched the Cochrane Pregnancy and Childbirth Group trials register. Date of last search: April 2001. SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised and quasi-randomised trials comparing periconceptional supplementation by multivitamins with placebo, folate with
RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage
Nice slow stretching as the head descends. Good nutrition -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 7:37 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Hi everyone, In my store we sell an organic oil by Weleda for perineal massage. ( almond oil, wheat germ oil, natural essential oils.) Many women seem to think, that if they simply apply this oil, it will prevent tears. I am planning to add some info on perineal massage on our website and also prepare a handout to give with the oil. I would appreciate any good links on this subject and answers to these questions: What do you consider the main factors, when preventing tears and episiotomies? (other than perineal massage) Where can I find research on this subject or effectiveness of perineal massage? Päivi
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?- Answer for Nicole
Hi, Nicole, VBAC stands for Vaginal Birth After Caesarian. Not many hospitals will accommodate a woman wanting to give birth vaginally after a caesarian, quoting it too dangerous and that it could lead to uterine rupture, but the research literature supports VBAC and found it to be no more dangerous than normal birth. Go to any of the childbirth websites to find out more. Hope this helps. Gail From: Nicole Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:55:36 +1000 Forgive my ignorance, but what is an EBAC? Thanks, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philippa Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi, I am in Townsville where we (Birth Buddies) have had a few clients have VBAC'S and EBAC's. The Townsville Hospital (public) is the best bet up here. I have had a VBAC there to and am always pleased to help those planning VBAC 's. I can be contacted if you like on 47734075 or 0407648349. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 8:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi Penny - she would be very welcome at Selangor, but Nambour is a little far from Cairns! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: penny burrows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi everyone I have some childbirth education clients that are planning a move to Qld - somewhere between Airlie Beach and Cairns. The mum had a previous caesarean as her baby was breech (arghhh!!) and she really wants to land somewhere where she will be supportend to birth vaginally this time. She is 27 weeks pregnant and planning to move next week so we are in a rush to find a destination!! Anyone have any clues as to supportive obstetricians, doctors, midwives up that way? She doesn't want to birth at home so is looking for support in a hospital/ birth centre environment. Thanks in anticipation, Penny Burrows - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stop me!. Now I'm on the thread I cant seem to stop. MM Update of: a.. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD001056. Periconceptional supplementation with folate and/or multivitamins for preventing neural tube defects. Lumley J, Watson L, Watson M, Bower C. Centre for the Study of Mothers' and Children's Health, La Trobe University, 251 Faraday St, Carlton, Vic, Australia, 3053. [EMAIL PROTECTED] BACKGROUND: Neural tube defects arise during the development of the brain and spinal cord. OBJECTIVES: The objective of this review was to assess the effects of increased consumption of folate or multivitamins on the prevalence of neural tube defects periconceptionally (that is before pregnancy and in the first two months of pregnancy). SEARCH STRATEGY: We searched the Cochrane Pregnancy and Childbirth Group trials register. Date of last search: April 2001. SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised and quasi-randomised trials comparing periconceptional supplementation by multivitamins with placebo, folate with placebo, or multivitamins with folate; different dosages of multivitamins or folate; prepregnancy dietary advice and counselling in primary care settings to increase the consumption of folate-rich foods, or folate-fortified foods, with standard care; increased intensity of information provision with standard public health dissemination. DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two reviewers assessed trial quality and extracted data. MAIN RESULTS: Four trials of supplementation involving 6425 women were included. The trials all addressed the question of supplementation and they were of variable quality. Periconceptional folate supplementation reduced the incidence of neural tube defects (relative risk 0.28, 95% confidence interval 0.13 to 0.58). Folate supplementation did not significantly increase miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy or stillbirth, although there was a possible increase in multiple gestation. Multivitamins alone were not associated with prevention of neural tube defects and did not produce additional preventive effects when given with folate. One dissemination trial, a community randomised trial, was identified
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?- Answer for Nicole
i think she was asking about EBAC - empowered birth after caesarean ie vaginal or caesarean but with the woman empowered to choose and direct and plan the experience in order to suit her Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Nicole,VBAC stands for Vaginal Birth After Caesarian. Not many hospitals will accommodate a woman wanting to give birth vaginally after a caesarian, quoting it too dangerous and that it could lead to uterine rupture, but the research literature supports VBAC and found it to be no more dangerous than normal birth. Go to any of the childbirth websites to find out more. Hope this helps.GailFrom: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo:Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:55:36 +1000Forgive my ignorance, but what is an EBAC?Thanks,Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philippa Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi, I am in Townsville where we (Birth Buddies) have had a few clients haveVBAC'S and EBAC's. The Townsville Hospital (public) is the best bet up here.I have had a VBAC there to and am always pleased to help those planning VBAC's. I can be contacted if you like on 47734075 or 0407648349. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirthand labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 8:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi Penny - she would be very welcome at Selangor, but Nambour is a littlefar from Cairns! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: penny burrows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi everyone I have some childbirth education clients that are planning a move toQld - somewhere between Airlie Beach and Cairns. The mum had a previouscaesarean as her baby was breech (arghhh!!) and she really wants to landsomewhere where she will be supportend to birth vaginally this time. She is27 weeks pregnant and planning to move next week so we are in a rush to finda destination!! Anyone have any clues as to supportive obstetricians, doctors, midwivesup that way? She doesn't want to birth at home so is looking for support ina hospital/ birth centre environment. Thanks in anticipation, Penny Burrows - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stop me!. Now I'm on the thread I cant seem to stop. MM Update of: a.. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD001056. Periconceptional supplementation with folate and/or multivitamins forpreventing neural tube defects. Lumley J, Watson L, Watson M, Bower C. Centre for the Study of Mothers' and Children's Health, La TrobeUniversity, 251 Faraday St, Carlton, Vic, Australia, 3053.[EMAIL PROTECTED] BACKGROUND: Neural tube defects arise during the development of thebrain and spinal cord. OBJECTIVES: The objective of this review was toassess the effects of increased consumption of folate or multivitamins onthe prevalence of neural tube defects periconceptionally (that is beforepregnancy and in the first two months of pregnancy). SEARCH STRATEGY: Wesearched the Cochrane Pregnancy and Childbirth Group trials register. Dateof last search: April 2001. SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised andquasi-randomised trials comparing periconceptional supplementation bymultivitamins with placebo, folate with placebo, or multivitamins withfolate; different dosages of multivitamins or folate; prepregnancy dietaryadvice and counselling in primary care settings to increase the consumptionof folate-rich foods, or folate-fortified foods, with standard care;increased intensity of information provision with standard public healthdissemination. DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two reviewers assessed trialquality and extracted data. MAIN RESULTS: Four trials of supplementationinvolving 6425 women were included. The trials all addressed the question ofsupplementation and they were of variable quality. Periconceptional folatesupplementation reduced the incidence of neural tube defects (relative risk0.28, 95% confidence interval 0.13 to 0.58). Folate supplementation did notsignificantly increase miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy or stillbirth,although there was a possible increase in multiple gestation. Multivitaminsalone were not associated with prevention of neural tube defects and did notproduce additional preventive effects when given with folate. Onedissemination trial, a community randomised trial, was identified involvingsix communities, matched in pairs,
RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage
No fundal pressure, no lithotomy position, no rushing. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:30 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Nice slow stretching as the head descends. Good nutrition -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 7:37 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Hi everyone, In my store we sell an organic oil by Weleda for perineal massage. ( almond oil, wheat germ oil, natural essential oils.) Many women seem to think, that if they simply apply this oil, it will prevent tears. I am planning to add some info on perineal massage on our website and also prepare a handout to give with the oil. I would appreciate any good links on this subject and answers to these questions: What do you consider the main factors, when preventing tears and episiotomies? (other than perineal massage) Where can I find research on this subject or effectiveness of perineal massage? Päivi
RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage
As she feels the burning sensation on the peri encourage her to stop pushing and pant ha ha ha haor blow to allow the uterus to expel the baby without added her own force to it - usually saying stop pushing isnt enough and can be confusing - so to start panting or blowing yourself will give her the cue to follow. jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 6:30 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Nice slow stretching as the head descends. Good nutrition -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 7:37 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Hi everyone, In my store we sell an organic oil by Weleda for perineal massage. ( almond oil, wheat germ oil, natural essential oils.) Many women seem to think, that if they simply apply this oil, it will prevent tears. I am planning to add some info on perineal massage on our website and also prepare a handout to give with the oil. I would appreciate any good links on this subject and answers to these questions: What do you consider the main factors, when preventing tears and episiotomies? (other than perineal massage) Where can I find research on this subject or effectiveness of perineal massage? Päivi
[ozmidwifery] VBAC
Hi everyone, collective knowledge sought! Does anyone have any information that would enlighten a woman who has had 2 vaginal births, then twins by C/S and now wants a VBAC. Is she at increased risk because of the twin C/S? Thanks, MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
Title: Message VBAC success rate for someone who had birthed by cs for previous twin birth 79% Effect of prior vaginal delivery or prior vaginal birth after caesarean delivery on obstetric outcomes in women undergoing trial of labor. Obstet Gynecol. 2004 Aug;104(2):273-7 Hendler I, Bujold E. OBJECTIVE: We sought to study the effects of prior vaginal delivery or prior vaginal birth after cesarean delivery (VBAC) on the success of a trial of labor after a cesarean delivery. METHODS: An observational study of patients who underwent a trial of labor after a single low-transverse cesarean delivery. Patients with a previous cesarean delivery and no vaginal birth were compared with patients with a single vaginal delivery before or after the previous cesarean delivery. The rates of successful VBAC, uterine rupture, and scar dehiscence were analyzed. Multivariable regression was performed to adjust for confounding variables. RESULTS: Of 2,204 patients, 1,685 (76.4%) had a previous cesarean delivery and no vaginal delivery, 198 (9.0%) had a vaginal delivery before the cesarean delivery, and 321 (14.6%) had a prior VBAC. The rate of successful trial of labor was 70.1%, 81.8%, and 93.1%, respectively (P .001). A prior VBAC was associated with fewer third- and fourth-degree lacerations (8.5% versus 2.5% versus 3.7%, P .001) and fewer operative vaginal deliveries (14.7% versus 5.6% versus 1.9%, P .001) but not with uterine rupture (1.5% versus 0.5% versus 0.3%, P =.12). Patients with a prior VBAC had, in addition, a higher rate of uterine scar dehiscence (21.8%) compared with patients with a previous cesarean delivery and no vaginal delivery (5.3%; P =.001). CONCLUSION: A prior vaginal delivery and, particularly, a prior VBAC are associated with a higher rate of successful trial of labor compared with patients with no prior vaginal delivery. In addition, prior VBAC is associated with an increased rate of uterine scar dehiscence. the emphasis on that last sentence is dehiscence...not rupture. there are a few more studies that show women with a previous vagianl birth then a cs are more likely to havea successful vbac. Why would a twin cs be different to a singleton??? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Hi everyone, collective knowledge sought! Does anyone have any information that would enlighten a woman who has had 2 vaginal births, then twins by C/S and now wants a VBAC. Is she at increased risk because of the twin C/S? Thanks, MM --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
Absolutely not Mary. The things that increase risk are usually complications that occur as a result of CS, such as intrauterine infections following CS, haematoma formation in the uterine incision, extension of the uterine incision at CS,and not the fact that she has had a CS for a twin pregnancy. She is no more likely to have a CS than anyother multigravida. I wish her all the best for a wonderful birth. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Hi everyone, collective knowledge sought! Does anyone have any information that would enlighten a woman who has had 2 vaginal births, then twins by C/S and now wants a VBAC. Is she at increased risk because of the twin C/S? Thanks, MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage
As for research, I dont know if this is still relevant: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=10076134dopt=Abstract Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1999 Mar;180(3 Pt 1):593-600. Related Articles, Links Randomized controlled trial of prevention of perineal trauma by perineal massage during pregnancy. Labrecque M, Eason E, Marcoux S, Lemieux F, Pinault JJ, Feldman P, Laperriere L. Department of Family Medicine, Laval University, Quebec City, Canada. OBJECTIVE: The aim of the study was to evaluate the effectiveness of perineal massage during pregnancy for the prevention of perineal trauma at birth.Study Design: Pregnant women with (n = 493) and without (n = 1034) a previous vaginal birth from 5 hospitals in the province of Quebec, Canada, participated in this single-blind, randomized, controlled trial. All participants received oral and written information on the prevention of perineal trauma. Women in the experimental groups were requested to perform a 10-minute perineal massage daily from the 34th or 35th week of pregnancy until delivery. RESULTS: Among participants without a previous vaginal birth, 24.3% (100/411) from the perineal massage group and 15.1% (63/417) from the control group were delivered vaginally with an intact perineum, for a 9.2% absolute difference (95% confidence interval 3.8%-14.6%). The incidence of delivery with an intact perineum increased with compliance with regular practice of perineal massage (chi2 for trend 13.2, P = 0.0003). Among women with a previous vaginal birth, 34.9% (82/235) and 32.4% (78/241) in the massage and control groups, respectively, were delivered with an intact perineum, for an absolute difference of 2.5% (95% confidence interval -6.0% to 11.0%). There were no differences between the groups in the frequency of sutured vulvar and vaginal tears, women's sense of control, and satisfaction with the delivery experience. CONCLUSION: Perineal massage is an effective approach to increasing the chance of delivery with an intact perineum for women with a first vaginal delivery but not for women with a previous vaginal birth. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Multicenter Study Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 10076134 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of jo Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage As she feels the burning sensation on the peri encourage her to stop pushing and pant ha ha ha haor blow to allow the uterus to expel the baby without added her own force to it - usually saying stop pushing isnt enough and can be confusing - so to start panting or blowing yourself will give her the cue to follow. jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 6:30 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Nice slow stretching as the head descends. Good nutrition -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 7:37 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Hi everyone, In my store we sell an organic oil by Weleda for perineal massage. ( almond oil, wheat germ oil, natural essential oils.) Many women seem to think, that if they simply apply this oil, it will prevent tears. I am planning to add some info on perineal massage on our website and also prepare a handout to give with the oil. I would appreciate any good links on this subject and answers to these questions: What do you consider the main factors, when preventing tears and episiotomies? (other than perineal massage) Where can I find research on this subject or effectiveness of perineal massage? Päivi
RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage
Then there are these: http://www.update-software.com/Abstracts/AB005123.htm http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1121301 http://www.childbirth.org/articles/massageref.html http://www.intermid.co.uk/cgi-bin/go.pl/library/contents.html?uid=870journal_uid=12 Antenatal perineal massage: Part 1 (64kb) Clare Gomme , Mary Sheridan , Susan Bewley British Journal of Midwifery, Vol. 11, Iss. 12, 04 Dec 2003, pp 707 - 711 Randomized controlled trials have provided evidence that antenatal perineal massage is effective in reducing perineal trauma. The provision of information on antenatal perineal massage was introduced as a new service for women and a series of training sessions were held to teach perineal massage to midwives working in antenatal clinics. This article includes a literature review on perineal massage and an evaluation of the massage training. Midwives views on perineal massage and the training they received were obtained through questionnaires and focus group discussions. The response to perineal massage was varied, with some midwives actively promoting the service while others had no interest in the project and did not give information on antenatal perineal massage to their women. Although just under half of all eligible women received information on perineal massage, an audit of perineal trauma rates found a 6% reduction in perineal trauma since the introduction of the new service. You can try Google and type in: perineal massage trauma. From: Vedrana Valčić Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:13 PM To: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au' Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage As for research, I dont know if this is still relevant: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=10076134dopt=Abstract Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1999 Mar;180(3 Pt 1):593-600. Related Articles, Links Randomized controlled trial of prevention of perineal trauma by perineal massage during pregnancy. Labrecque M, Eason E, Marcoux S, Lemieux F, Pinault JJ, Feldman P, Laperriere L. Department of Family Medicine, Laval University, Quebec City, Canada. OBJECTIVE: The aim of the study was to evaluate the effectiveness of perineal massage during pregnancy for the prevention of perineal trauma at birth.Study Design: Pregnant women with (n = 493) and without (n = 1034) a previous vaginal birth from 5 hospitals in the province of Quebec, Canada, participated in this single-blind, randomized, controlled trial. All participants received oral and written information on the prevention of perineal trauma. Women in the experimental groups were requested to perform a 10-minute perineal massage daily from the 34th or 35th week of pregnancy until delivery. RESULTS: Among participants without a previous vaginal birth, 24.3% (100/411) from the perineal massage group and 15.1% (63/417) from the control group were delivered vaginally with an intact perineum, for a 9.2% absolute difference (95% confidence interval 3.8%-14.6%). The incidence of delivery with an intact perineum increased with compliance with regular practice of perineal massage (chi2 for trend 13.2, P = 0.0003). Among women with a previous vaginal birth, 34.9% (82/235) and 32.4% (78/241) in the massage and control groups, respectively, were delivered with an intact perineum, for an absolute difference of 2.5% (95% confidence interval -6.0% to 11.0%). There were no differences between the groups in the frequency of sutured vulvar and vaginal tears, women's sense of control, and satisfaction with the delivery experience. CONCLUSION: Perineal massage is an effective approach to increasing the chance of delivery with an intact perineum for women with a first vaginal delivery but not for women with a previous vaginal birth. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Multicenter Study Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 10076134 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of jo Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage As she feels the burning sensation on the peri encourage her to stop pushing and pant ha ha ha haor blow to allow the uterus to expel the baby without added her own force to it - usually saying stop pushing isnt enough and can be confusing - so to start panting or blowing yourself will give her the cue to follow. jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ken Ward Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 6:30 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Nice slow stretching as the head descends. Good nutrition -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, 17 May
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
This is exactly the reason why I became involved in HypnoBirthing and now the Australian calmbirth program. We teach women to stand their ground and also their partners to take charge too, supporting their partner. If the partners are really taking charge they WILL intervene because now they know they can. Ask questions and threaten if they lay a hand on you when you HAVE said no you will take legal action. The hospital authorities play the game so play the game back. It's sad to do that but that is what we are now facing in todays society. The OB's are sneaky, they start to talk about risks to a baby's life and what parent to be wouldn't fold. In the first class I tell the dad's that they are like the gorilla in the wild. A gorilla in the wild will run a perimeter around its mate giving birth because he knows they are so vulnerable and ANYTHING that comes within that perimeter will be killed ( no we don't tell them that includes midwives ha ha ha) It IS their baby too and they have rights as well. BUT couples are still choosing to have their babies in hospitals with OB's and many smart ones are not ( I am having more and more in my classes having homebirths which is so wonderful), so the only thing you can do is to educate them about their rights and educate women about getting back in touch with their birthing instincts. It is still there, they have just forgotten. I have had MANY who stand up for those rights, no vag exams, waiting another hour, ignoring the purple pushing commands, delaying or cancelling inductions etc. Put them back in charge of their own birthing. Sorry I am on my soapbox but I have had a gutful of all the inductions, caesarians and impatient interventions and what is worse women are handing over their bodies to people they think know more about their bodies than they do. I'm not stupid though, I know we can have special circumstances but gee they are a lot rarer than what is happening now. Kelly, be careful about what you say in the de-brief. This HAS happened to this woman and it is far more important to listen to her and let her vent than giving her too much information. You don't want to create the hate for staff and Ob's because that's the road she chose, maybe she will choose differently next time because she DOES have choice. Give her more of an understanding of why some births happens the way they do and that can be simply explained and that maybe next time she will choose different options. Unless you are a qualified therapist be very careful of not only what you say but how you handle it. She will be very raw and vulnerable and will take in everything you say. It would be far more beneficial to her to praise her for the good efforts she put in and build positive resources for her, otherwise you are leaving her with fearful memories of a bad birth experience instead of focusing on some positive aspects and this could affect any subsequent births. I have heard 60 year old women still trying to debrief their birth because they thought they had no resources. Hope this helps and be strong tomorrow. Birthing with calm Diane Gardner www.dianegardner.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault Okay, this woman I have been talking of is now ready to de-brief her birth, I will be seeing her tomorrow and she wants to know why it went the way it did (it has been troubling her). I can explain the complexities of a posterior presentation, but I was wondering, into what detail would you go into about the sexual assault and the blocking she experienced? She did not like the sensation of the baby coming down at all. Do I explain how this can affect things, and that it might be an idea to do some healing / groups which can help her work through her trauma to better prepare her next time? Or is it inappropriate? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Sexual Assault
Hello Kelly, Diane said Kelly, be careful about what you say in the de-brief. ... it is far more important to listen to her and let her vent than giving her too much information. She will be very raw and vulnerable and will take in everything you say... agree wholeheartedly with that. Kindness, love and listening. Let her talk and cry if she needs to, ask open questions about how she feels and what she thinks... meaning making is important after any event and particularly the birth of her precious, beautiful baby. Being able to listen to the difficult parts with love and openness are critical, inviting her to talk about her feelings how is that for you... how do you feel about that... and being able to be with her through her pain without having to 'fix' it... it is important to know that she has the internal power and strength to find meaning and resolution the biggest thing is being able to express what has happened in an open, trusting, trustworthy space and being heard... during the reflective process it is amazing what insights we come up with for ourselves. Pain expressed in the loving presence of someone who lets us do that, means the molecules/chemicals of emotion are liberated and are not mapped in our neurology as deeply as it would have been had it not been expressed. It is great she has you to talk to! What a blessing. So many women nurse their hurts to themselves and that hurt becomes woven into the fabric of who they are. warmly, Carolyn Hastie -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage
Hi Paivi, I did an extensive literature review and essay for uni in 2004 i can attach for you to yourdirect addressif you like. Breifly after many years of routine episi we were from the 90's able to assess the effects of Antenatal Peri massage on intact rates.and there have been several studies including a canadian study of 1500births. (see ref below). Forfirst vaginal birthsit nearly doubles your chances of intact peri - plus the more you do it the better it works. But little significant difference for multi vag births. However this study also rated womens sence of satisfaction and feeling of control which was higher for both groups. Women have a better understanding of the birth feelings and anantomy from exploring the sensations antenatally. This is not to be confused with Peri Masage IN LABOUR- which THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT (Stamp, G., Kruzins, G. Crowther, C. 2001, Perineal massage in labour and prevention of perineal trauma: randomised controlled trial, British Medical Journal,vol. 322, no. 7297, pp. 1277-1280.) let me know if you want the whole Lit review. Suzi Canadian study: Labrecque, M., Eason, E.,Marcoux, S., Lemieux, F., Pinault, J., Feldman, P. Laperriere, L. 1999, Randomized controlled trial of prevention of perineal trauma by perineal massage during pregnancy, American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, [Online], vol. 180, no.3, pp. 593-600, Available: Ovid/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [11 March 2004]. - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] perineal massage Hi everyone, In my store we sell an organic oil by Weleda for perineal massage. ( almond oil, wheat germ oil, natural essential oils.) Many women seem to think, that if they simply apply this oil, it will prevent tears. I am planning to add some info on perineal massage on our website and also prepare a handout to give with the oil. I would appreciate any good links on this subject and answers to these questions: What do you consider the main factors, when preventing tears and episiotomies? (other than perineal massage) Where can I find research on this subject or effectiveness of perineal massage? Päivi
[ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?
Hi all, advice for a woman whose first baby had a severe tongue tie that was never diagnosed until way too late by which time bf had just not worked for her at all. She's pg again and looking for support just in case this one has TT as well but has been told she can't have it fixed straight after birth but has to go on a waiting list to get it done. This makes her pretty anxious after last time's hellish experience. She's in western Sydney. Any ideas? Much appreciated! J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?
Hi, The Australian Breastfeeding Association stocks a very fabulous and informative short video on tongue tie made by the Royal Women's Hospital in Melbourne. http://www.lrc.asn.au/users/sales/category6_2.htm With a bit of research, she should be able to get the help she needs. Barb - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip? Hi all, advice for a woman whose first baby had a severe tongue tie that was never diagnosed until way too late by which time bf had just not worked for her at all. She's pg again and looking for support just in case this one has TT as well but has been told she can't have it fixed straight after birth but has to go on a waiting list to get it done. This makes her pretty anxious after last time's hellish experience. She's in western Sydney. Any ideas? Much appreciated! J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?
Hi Janet, There's a good paediatrician at Windsor who is very respectful does snips... I can get the number if needed. Also if she would like breastfeeding support she's welcome to contact me(I'm an ABA counsellor), or I can give you numbers for her local ABA group. 400 women per month birth at Nepean, so waiting lists are very long! Natalie Dash Innate Birth 4757 2080 On 5/18/06, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, advice for a woman whose first baby had a severe tongue tie that was never diagnosed until way too late by which time bf had just not worked for her at all. She's pg again and looking for support just in case this one has TT as well but has been told she can't have it fixed straight after birth but has to go on a waiting list to get it done. This makes her pretty anxious after last time's hellish experience. She's in western Sydney. Any ideas? Much appreciated! J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?
Thanks so much, Natalie and Barb! Passing it all on right now! : ) J - Original Message - From: Natalie Dash To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip? Hi Janet, There's a good paediatrician at Windsor who is very respectful does snips... I can get the number if needed. Also if she would like breastfeeding support she's welcome to contact me(I'm an ABA counsellor), or I can give you numbers for her local ABA group. 400 women per month birth at Nepean, so waiting lists are very long! Natalie Dash Innate Birth 4757 2080 On 5/18/06, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, advice for a woman whose first baby had a severe tongue tie that was never diagnosed until way too late by which time bf had just not worked for her at all. She's pg again and looking for support just in case this one has TT as well but has been told she can't have it fixed straight after birth but has to go on a waiting list to get it done. This makes her pretty anxious after last time's hellish experience. She's in western Sydney. Any ideas? Much appreciated! J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip?
Hi janet, We had a lady with a similar problem who saw a doctor in Sydney, may be the one in Windsor, with great results. I will see if i can find her details through a friend. Also a Dentist in Dural who does laser prodedure but not till about 3 months, which of course is too long for establishment of feeding. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip? Hi, The Australian Breastfeeding Association stocks a very fabulous and informative short video on tongue tie made by the Royal Women's Hospital in Melbourne. http://www.lrc.asn.au/users/sales/category6_2.htm With a bit of research, she should be able to get the help she needs. Barb - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] tongue tie snip? Hi all, advice for a woman whose first baby had a severe tongue tie that was never diagnosed until way too late by which time bf had just not worked for her at all. She's pg again and looking for support just in case this one has TT as well but has been told she can't have it fixed straight after birth but has to go on a waiting list to get it done. This makes her pretty anxious after last time's hellish experience. She's in western Sydney. Any ideas? Much appreciated! J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] article FYI
Hi All, The full article was 8 pages long so I've just copied the abstract - but its worth reading ... although it only confirms what we already know...! You will find it at: www.medscape.com/viewarticle/530788_print Factors Associated With the Rise in Primary Cesarean Births in the United States, 1991-2002 Eugene Declercq, PhD; Fay Menacker, DrPH; Marian MacDorman, PhD Am J Public Health. 2006;96(5):867-872. ©2006 American Public Health Association Posted 05/08/2006 Abstract Objectives: We examined factors contributing to shifts in primary cesarean rates in the United States between 1991 and 2002. Methods: US national birth certificate data were used to assess changes in primary cesarean rates stratified according to maternal age, parity, and race/ethnicity. Trends in the occurrence of medical risk factors or complications of labor or delivery listed on birth certificates and the corresponding primary cesarean rates for such conditions were examined. Results: More than half (53%) of the recent increase in overall cesarean rates resulted from rising primary cesarean rates. There was a steady decrease in the primary cesarean rate from 1991 to 1996, followed by a rapid increase from 1996 to 2002. In 2002, more than one fourth of first-time mothers delivered their infants via cesarean. Changing primary cesarean rates were not related to general shifts in mothers medical risk profiles. However, rates for virtually every condition listed on birth certificates shifted in the same pattern as with the overall rates. Conclusions: Our results showed that shifts in primary cesarean rates during the study period were not related to shifts in maternal risk profiles. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.