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Hi Kelly, Sounds like a great idea, wish I could go... If I would be able to make it would like to know how to do the lobbying for a good cause! One thing I have noticed, that many midwifes or birth centres don't have a professional looking website or a brochure to give out. This is something, what I find essential in today's world. I have thought, that I could use my skills and work with my sister, who is a graphic designer to come up with a template for a birthrelated website and a template for a brochure and a business card. You could also use your own photoes with the template. This would make it so much easier for someone to get all the good looking material even if they don't have the skills for that part of the business. Well, it would take me a while to get it done, but this is just an idea I have had. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:57 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Marketing the Midwife the Doula Dear all, As you may have read in my previous emails, I have spoken to some high profile business people of late in regards to the situation with maternity services, particularly with lobbying to government and also marketing the midwife and Doula to sell the idea to the public. The reason I spoke to these people is because I am interested in holding a conference / workshop over a weekend for midwives and Doulas to learn about effectively marketing themselves, improving their networking skills, communication skills and to learn some other essential business skills which I think is badly needed. I would also like to hold a separate session perhaps towards the end of the conference (which wont be of interest to everyone) on lobbying to government and other authoritative bodies in order to get effective recognition for the things that have been lobbied for, for so long. While these business professionals I have spoken to wont have the passion and understanding of what we do, for example the idea of homebirth may not be something they would do, promote or feel safe with, their business skills are very valid and even their views are a wake-up call as to what the public do think when presented with such an idea, no matter how educated they might be. Its time to get out the comfort zone and operate a basic sales rule you were given two ears and one mouth and they need to be used in that ratio. I would now like to do some market research and ask you who would be interested in attending, and also, what you would like to learn about most perhaps even if you wouldnt be able to make it, you could offer three top things you would like to know about how you can get yourselves out there or what you can do. I have had a great response from the few people I have already mentioned this to, so now I would like to put this out and ask you if you would come along and be open to some advice from some amazing, successful business people, and look outside the square to get a fresh insight on things that need to change, need to be improved and things that are on the right track. I anticipate this will either be a full day or two days, perhaps a weekend in Melbourne in the CBD (with a possibility in Brisbane) so those with children can attend. I can strike up a deal with a hotel to get a discount for those coming from interstate. Thoughts? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. "What does she do?Oh she just had kids.." Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing.Cheers Michelle"Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: HighThe Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MMFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleWhere can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. VedranaFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleThe woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Marketing the Midwife the Doula
I share Päivis opinion, Kelly J. If I could go, Id want to know about effective ways to counter myths and prejudices which originally came from people with authority and which cause people to have serious doubts about the whole deal. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:43 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Marketing the Midwife the Doula Hi Kelly, Sounds like a great idea, wish I could go... If I would be able to make it would like to know how to do the lobbying for a good cause! One thing I have noticed, that many midwifes or birth centres don't have a professional looking website or a brochure to give out. This is something, what I find essential in today's world. I have thought, that I could use my skills and work with my sister, who is a graphic designer to come up with a template for a birthrelated website and a template for a brochure and a business card. You could also use your own photoes with the template. This would make it so much easier for someone to get all the good looking material even if they don't have the skills for that part of the business. Well, it would take me a while to get it done, but this is just an idea I have had. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:57 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Marketing the Midwife the Doula Dear all, As you may have read in my previous emails, I have spoken to some high profile business people of late in regards to the situation with maternity services, particularly with lobbying to government and also marketing the midwife and Doula to sell the idea to the public. The reason I spoke to these people is because I am interested in holding a conference / workshop over a weekend for midwives and Doulas to learn about effectively marketing themselves, improving their networking skills, communication skills and to learn some other essential business skills which I think is badly needed. I would also like to hold a separate session perhaps towards the end of the conference (which wont be of interest to everyone) on lobbying to government and other authoritative bodies in order to get effective recognition for the things that have been lobbied for, for so long. While these business professionals I have spoken to wont have the passion and understanding of what we do, for example the idea of homebirth may not be something they would do, promote or feel safe with, their business skills are very valid and even their views are a wake-up call as to what the public do think when presented with such an idea, no matter how educated they might be. Its time to get out the comfort zone and operate a basic sales rule you were given two ears and one mouth and they need to be used in that ratio. I would now like to do some market research and ask you who would be interested in attending, and also, what you would like to learn about most perhaps even if you wouldnt be able to make it, you could offer three top things you would like to know about how you can get yourselves out there or what you can do. I have had a great response from the few people I have already mentioned this to, so now I would like to put this out and ask you if you would come along and be open to some advice from some amazing, successful business people, and look outside the square to get a fresh insight on things that need to change, need to be improved and things that are on the right track. I anticipate this will either be a full day or two days, perhaps a weekend in Melbourne in the CBD (with a possibility in Brisbane) so those with children can attend. I can strike up a deal with a hotel to get a discount for those coming from interstate. Thoughts? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. I wouldnt want to be away from my kids, but its because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. Its because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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I think you couldnt be more on the right track Michelle. Its all a symptom of a major problem which is going to take something big to fix, and for those who are fortunate to have that, to understand. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 5:23 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do?Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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Women can find community though like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives.Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your DDCs?Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's likethe really consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other children are removed. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. I wouldnt want to be away from my kids, but its because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. Its because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And
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Absolutely! I know I love to be with my family, but throw in great meals, a spa bath and a midwife to help in an environment where I would do nothing but rest and care for bub, not home where the washing is piling up and the other kids are getting bored. Hmm, why not a luxury midwifery led post natal unit? Surely the health funds would pay for that? BB with a kids club and a midwife on call, sounds like a lovely babymoon. Di PS: Kelly I would be keen on the marketing workshops. Just thinking on the three things. - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. "What does she do?Oh she just had kids.." Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle"Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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I agree. When women have woman centered care and feel nurtured throughout the pregnancy and birth ie. one to one mid. care this need is fulfilled. Pauline From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: 21 September 2006 15:23 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do?Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
Re: [ozmidwifery] postnatal 5 star hotel stays
My friend was really looking forward to her 5 star experience after the birth of her baby earlier this year. She felt like she was finally getting something back after paying hefty private health insurance for many years. She ended up with GD, being induced and emergency c-sectso didn't get to stay at the hotel "for free". She felt very ripped off! How the hell can they justify spending ourprivate health fund premiums on something like this? Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Women can find community though like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives.Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your DDCs?Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's likethe really consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other children are removed. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. I wouldnt want to be away from my kids, but its because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. Its because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her
Re: [ozmidwifery] postnatal 5 star hotel stays
Women would be far better off demanding private health fund reforms Private Health should provide real choice and start paying for best practice i.e. * private midwife's fee (continuity of care only) *housekeeper/doula service for four hours each day for one week while the new mother establishes her lactation and bonds to her baby at home Grand United are getting close to doing this. I can imagine that any first-time mother coming home from a few days at the Hilton will be a prime candidate for post-partum depression once the reality of being home alone with her new baby sets in. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 21 Sep, 2006, at 21:10, jesse/jayne wrote: My friend was really looking forward to her 5 star experience after the birth of her baby earlier this year. She felt like she was finally getting something back after paying hefty private health insurance for many years. She ended up with GD, being induced and emergency c-sect so didn't get to stay at the hotel for free. She felt very ripped off! How the hell can they justify spending our private health fund premiums on something like this? Jayne - Original Message - x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJanet Fraser/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:31 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-bigger Women can find community though like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives. Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your DDCs? Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's like the really consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other children are removed. J x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerKelly @ BellyBelly/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-bigger And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. x-tad-bigger>> I wouldn’t want to be away from my kids, but it’s because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. It’s because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerBest Regards,/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerKelly Zantey/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCreator, /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerGentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJanet Fraser/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-bigger Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels. I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women, were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere
[ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding
HI, Very impressive http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2006/pdf/breastfeeding_booklet.pdf Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Hi Michelle That's a nice thought but what it boils down to in its simplest form is business development. It's all about getting women out of hospital in a couple of days to free up beds. The more beds you free up quickly, the more bookings you can take and the more revenue you generate, especially for hospitals that have 'mixed women's health' wards. Gynae generates MUCH more revenue than maternity - slip in a few 'day cases' or larger 'procedures', or more commonly, another Caesar or twowith the extra revenue earned by babies with 'RDS' admissions (Please excuse the language - I do not mean to objectify mothers and babies - just speaking the language of business) to nursery and bingo! Muchas doleros! It is stillcheaper to stay in a nice hotel than a hospital beds, and in monetary terms, everyone benefits. This would have been much more widespread had the logistics of having a suitable hotelclose by and staffing issues and not got in the way. I am sure this package was marketed beautifully. You are right Michelle - women should not have to go to a hotel forsomething special - I agree wholeheartedly with you that they should be acknowledged and birth and motherhood celebrated in more meaningful and longer lasting ways than a few days stay in a plush hotel. Good morning everyone! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. "What does she do?Oh she just had kids.." Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle"Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding
Its Great. I have been soo waiting for this to come out as where I work we have been making up 'breasfeeding packages' with most of this info and fact sheets etc for over a year. It is very time consuming. Now this is out we can just give them the booklet! We also have a breasfeeding discussion sheet that mums fill out on their knowledge and learning needs, a BF risk assessment form (breast exam, any surgery etc) an an antenatal discussion list to attend at visits, that we have developed. Seems to be working well when we have the time to attend to them. Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding looks great! Pinky - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding HI, Very impressive http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2006/pdf/breastfeeding_booklet.pdf Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding
Yes very impressive thank you Barb for passing it along to us I have just sent the link to a group I had the other night who commented they were concerned about remembering what Id told them on the art of breastfeeding so what a help to support the info in pre-natal classes. Heres a copy Hi everyone, If you were concerned about the art of breastfeeding and trying to remember many of the points Ive passed on to you, Im delighted to be able to present you with this link below to a excellent booklet by the dept of Health on breastfeeding. Its very well laid out, easy to read, and covers the basics. http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2006/pdf/breastfeeding_booklet.pdf You may have noticed they refer to ABA Australias Breastfeeding Association www.breastfeeding.asn.au As well as Breastfeeding with Confidence by Sue Cox this is available from Mothers Direct www.mothersdirect.com.au Or Finch Publishers www.finch.com Kind regards, Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.julieclarke.com.au From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Friday, 22 September 2006 7:50 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding HI, Very impressive http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2006/pdf/breastfeeding_booklet.pdf Barb Glare Mum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3 Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602 Director, Australian Breastfeeding Association Mothers Direct www.mothersdirect.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding
Julie, you need to put .au on the finch link. Di - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding Yes very impressive thank you Barb for passing it along to us I have just sent the link to a group I had the other night who commented they were concerned about remembering what Id told them on the art of breastfeeding so what a help to support the info in pre-natal classes. Heres a copy Hi everyone, If you were concerned about the art of breastfeeding and trying to remember many of the points Ive passed on to you, Im delighted to be able to present you with this link below to a excellent booklet by the dept of Health on breastfeeding. Its very well laid out, easy to read, and covers the basics. http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2006/pdf/breastfeeding_booklet.pdf You may have noticed they refer to ABA Australias Breastfeeding Association www.breastfeeding.asn.au As well as Breastfeeding with Confidence by Sue Cox this is available from Mothers Direct www.mothersdirect.com.au Or Finch Publishers www.finch.com Kind regards, Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.julieclarke.com.au From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris BrightSent: Friday, 22 September 2006 7:50 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] New South Wales Health Booklet on Breastfeeding HI, Very impressive http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/2006/pdf/breastfeeding_booklet.pdf Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
[ozmidwifery] porta cots
Did everyone see 9am this morning there was a story about porta cots. A baby died when it became trapped down the side of an additional mattress that the parents had put into the porta cot because they felt that the one that came with the cot was too hard. The coroner has asked that a warning be spread to all parents that no additional mattress be put into porta cots as it makes it potentially dangerous. The mattress provided is firm for a reason as it prevents the baby from getting trapped down the side of the mattress between the soft sides of the cot and the mattress. Please pass this on to all you friends and remove any foam matress that you have added to your cots Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Hi Pauline there is something called 'Night Nannies, I saw something on the tv about this a few weeks agodon't think they were midwives though Katrina On 21/09/2006, at 8:52 PM, Pauline Moore wrote: x-tad-smallerDid I see somewhere that midwives (through an agency) were going into women’s homes and helping women with their new babies (through the night), at a cost of course? Sydney I think./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPauline/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerdiane/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller 21 September 2006 17:44/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAbsolutely! I know I love to be with my family, but throw in great meals, a spa bath and a midwife to help in an environment where I would do nothing but rest and care for bub, not home where the washing is piling up and the other kids are getting bored. Hmm, why not a luxury midwifery led post natal unit? Surely the health funds would pay for that? BB with a kids club and a midwife on call, sounds like a lovely babymoon./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDi/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPS: Kelly I would be keen on the marketing workshops. Just thinking on the three things./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMichelle Windsor/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is some women's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel) to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby. Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do? Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: x-tad-smallerI posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what you agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Creator, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMary Murphy/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerImportance:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller High/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerVedrana Valcic/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWhere can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller, but I don’t know if there is
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Iremember something like this happening 20 yrs ago when I had my first son. There were warnings then too. The other issue is thet the extra matress changes the height of the sides which can create a falling risk too. I always just used a sheepskin instead (regularly tumbledryed to de-dust and knock off the dust mites) Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] porta cots Did everyone see 9am this morning there was a story about porta cots. A baby died when it became trapped down the side of an additional mattress that the parents had put into the porta cot because they felt that the one that came with the cot was too hard. The coroner has asked that a warning be spread to all parents that no additional mattress be put into porta cots as it makes it potentially dangerous. The mattress provided is firm for a reason as it prevents the baby from getting trapped down the side of the mattress between the soft sides of the cot and the mattress. Please pass this on to all you friends and remove any foam matress that you have added to your cots Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Kelly my personal opinion has no impact on the mainstream because I choose to mitigate it into support for women though that doesn't mean I also support women's choices when they are actively dangerous or unthinking. I choose to say little at all in that scenario.In a setting like ozmid where hopefully we can talk about stuff like big people and not have to play that game, I choose to say what I really think. I had NO support as a first time mother, (A TF from a hb where trauma occurs means I was pretty unpopular in the very small and then disparate hb community in Melbourne at that time) so yes, I really do "get it" but I chose to go look for it and when there wasn't any, I created it in Joyous Birth which now supports all those many women in many ways. I'm sorry your own journey made it hard for you to accept support, not all of us choose to do it the hard way ; ) My personal opinion isn't going to offend the mamas on your forum because I don't post it there. J
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I'm glad you're having such an awakening and feeling so motivated, Kelly; it's something many of us felt and began to act on a long time ago - welcome to the club, it's populated by many decades of women who continue to work hard to heal birth in our culture - which is a long, slow battle. We're all pretty aware of the situation and we're all working to the best of our own capacitys to improve it (some of us at no profit, by finance or publicity or otherwise,to ourselves). Some of your suggestions have been really worthwhile and quite exciting,but I have to admit that I'm losing my enthusiasm for them amid the sea of self promotional rhetoric that accompanies them - OzMid is not a promotional tool for BellyBelly and some posts on this list related to it have felt like advertising Spam in my InBox. I have to say I find your assumptions about Janet Fraserin particular to beoffensive. Do you actually know the totality ofwhat Janet does in her professional and personal capacity, or the widespread and rapidly growing effect Joyous Birth is having Australia wide, both in the mainstream and otherwise? It's nothing like one woman espousing her own views to the converted, and how utterly rude to dismiss the lifework of one of your sisters as being such. Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them thoroughly. - Original Message - I dont think this got through last night Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
