Re: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne
How very wonderful!!! Welcome earthside wee girl! Love, J x - Original Message - From: Dan Rachael Austin To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne Hi! I birthed Kaede` Anne yesterday morning at home in water after a gentle night of labour. Born at 38 weeks, she weighed 6 pound 14oz. She is beautiful and adorned by her big brother Rhett. Rhett is going to give her some breastfeeding lessons this PM because she is having trouble getting it right! :) Love, Rachaelxx _ Dan Rachael Austin Namcala 418 Austin's Road Theodore, QLD, 4719 HPh: (07) 49931213 Dan's Mob: 0409896285 Rachael's Mob: 0419750780 Fax: (07) 49931341
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections
Hello Andrea, thanks for your kind words. As for the sacral water injections, we have only used them for late first stage and second stage. So repeats haven't been an issue for us. Yes, it does sting, but all the women, bar one, found the injections wonderful. One of the women I saw for her three week postnatal visit and she voluntarily told me all about the injections with great wonder. I didn't know she had them, and when I asked her all about her experience with our service and the birth of her baby etc, she waxed lyrical about the change in sensation with the injections. Very interesting. And yes, because it stings so much, two midwives give the injection at the same time, the women would not let you do it again immediately after, they swat your hands away - or try to. :-) I appreciate the logic with giving them both at the same time. The midwives at JHH have been using them in the birth centre as well. They reckon the injections are great too. I haven't heard any feedback about the refusal for long labours, I'll check that out and get back to you. I'll send you the protocol from work, it's on my work computer, warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, It is so good to hear that Belmont is doing well - what a great standard bearer for midwifery and women! Can I ask you something about the sterile water injections? When I was in the Colac area earlier this year doing a workshop, I was told that although this method was brilliant at relieving the pain, especially with posterior labours, women were often reluctant to have the injections a second time, when the effects of the first round had worn off (it was suggested the effect would last for 2 -3 hours). I found this interesting, and speculated that the pain of the injections must have been bad, for women to think that a short lived sting would be worse than long painful contractions that often come with an OP labour. What has been your experience with doing follow up injections, especially during a long labour? I was also told that it was a good idea to have two midwives do the injections simultaneously - that way the pain was shorter (but presumably more intense with two injections being done at the same time). Can you shed any light on this aspect as well? Many thanks, Andrea PS I would love a copy of your protocol as well, if you email it me. At 02:00 AM 18/11/2006, you wrote: Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the intradermal water injections and their efficacy. We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford, Maitland, John Hunter and Taree. Janice presented her information and we all practised on each other (OUCH). It feels like a wasp sting. One of the midwives had back pain which was cured for six hours with the injection she received that day! It took us MONTHS to get the procedure through clinical governance. However, it is through. We have used the injections for about eight women since only one was not completely successful. We have even found them fantastic for late first stage when the backache has stopped the woman from progessing and even second stage when women wouldn't push because the backache was too bad. After the injections, voila - baby! John Hunter midwives are also now using this technique too with great success. Janice Deo Campo did a research project and the results are in the Birth Issues Journal from CAPERS. It is a wonderful, effective tool which may just help someone avoid an epidural or even make birth much more manageable for those women with excrutiating backache. If anyone wants the protocol and information sheet, please email me at work mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send it to you. warmly, Carolyn Heartlogic http://www.heartlogic.bizwww.heartlogic.biz Phone: +61 2 43893919 PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay, NSW 2261 As a single footstep will not make a path in the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over again the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives Henry David Thoreau -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections
I thought I'd better add that the women reflexively try to swat our hands away, it stings very much - and their response is very automatic and understandable. When we were learning we all practiced on each other so we know what it feels like! We talk to the women about how it will feel. We ask the women's partners to hold them as we do the injections, sometimes the partners get taken by surprise by the response, even when we explain what is likely to happen! BTW, I'm grateful to have so many colleagues write and show interest in the protocols, I'm overwhelmed by the response. Isn't it just wonderful that so many midwives are out there making a difference and exploring different ideas to help women and give women choice! What a great group of people you are. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hello Andrea, thanks for your kind words. As for the sacral water injections, we have only used them for late first stage and second stage. So repeats haven't been an issue for us. Yes, it does sting, but all the women, bar one, found the injections wonderful. One of the women I saw for her three week postnatal visit and she voluntarily told me all about the injections with great wonder. I didn't know she had them, and when I asked her all about her experience with our service and the birth of her baby etc, she waxed lyrical about the change in sensation with the injections. Very interesting. And yes, because it stings so much, two midwives give the injection at the same time, the women would not let you do it again immediately after, they swat your hands away - or try to. :-) I appreciate the logic with giving them both at the same time. The midwives at JHH have been using them in the birth centre as well. They reckon the injections are great too. I haven't heard any feedback about the refusal for long labours, I'll check that out and get back to you. I'll send you the protocol from work, it's on my work computer, warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, It is so good to hear that Belmont is doing well - what a great standard bearer for midwifery and women! Can I ask you something about the sterile water injections? When I was in the Colac area earlier this year doing a workshop, I was told that although this method was brilliant at relieving the pain, especially with posterior labours, women were often reluctant to have the injections a second time, when the effects of the first round had worn off (it was suggested the effect would last for 2 -3 hours). I found this interesting, and speculated that the pain of the injections must have been bad, for women to think that a short lived sting would be worse than long painful contractions that often come with an OP labour. What has been your experience with doing follow up injections, especially during a long labour? I was also told that it was a good idea to have two midwives do the injections simultaneously - that way the pain was shorter (but presumably more intense with two injections being done at the same time). Can you shed any light on this aspect as well? Many thanks, Andrea PS I would love a copy of your protocol as well, if you email it me. At 02:00 AM 18/11/2006, you wrote: Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the intradermal water injections and their efficacy. We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford, Maitland, John Hunter and Taree. Janice presented her information and we all practised on each other (OUCH). It feels like a wasp sting. One of the midwives had back pain which was cured for six hours with the injection she received that day! It took us MONTHS to get the procedure through clinical governance. However, it is through. We have used the injections for about eight women since only one was not completely successful. We have even found them fantastic for late first stage when the backache has stopped the woman from progessing and even second stage when women wouldn't push because the backache was too bad. After the injections, voila - baby! John Hunter midwives are also now using this technique too with great success. Janice Deo Campo did a research project and the results are in the Birth Issues Journal from CAPERS. It is a wonderful, effective tool which may just help someone avoid an epidural or even make birth much more manageable for those women with excrutiating backache. If anyone wants the protocol
[ozmidwifery] BF protest
Mums begin 'lactivism' after airline ban By Geoff Elliott in Washington November 23, 2006 12:00am Article from: Font size: + - Send this article: Print Email IT'S ironic that since a lot of US airlines - airlines everywhere, actually - treat you like cattle that they also might get a bit squeamish over the thought of a dairy. But last month a nursing mother was ejected from a plane about to take off in Vermont because she was trying to breastfeed her baby The extraordinary tale has sparked a discrimination complaint from the mother, Emily Gillette, and a huge embarrassment for the airline, Delta. The brouhaha here has also sparked a form of protest being dubbed lactivism. Over the past week there's been rolling breastfeeding sit-ins where dozens of nursing mothers position themselves in front of the Delta airline counters in protest and, like maternal gunslingers, unleash their bosoms and latch on their babies. Ms Gillette, her husband Brad, and their then 22-month-old daughter, River, were removed from an October flight from Burlington to New York after a flight attendant asked Ms Gillette to cover up while she was breastfeeding the girl. Freedom Airlines was operating the flight on behalf of Delta Air Lines. Ms Gillette, 27, filed a complaint against both airlines with the Vermont Human Rights Commission alleging that the airline violated a state law that allows women to breastfeed in any place of public accommodation. Ms Gillette told USA Today she took a window seat in the second-last row and her husband took the aisle. She began nursing River, using one hand to hold her shirt closed. She told the newspaper: I was not exposed. But the flight attendant approached, tried to hand her a blanket and asked her to cover herself, she recalls. You're offending me, Ms Gillette quotes the woman as saying. I'm not doing anything wrong and I will not cover up, Ms Gillette says she said in response. Ms Gillette says the flight attendant walked away and a few minutes later, a ticket agent boarded and said the flight attendant had ordered them removed. The airline arranged for a hotel for the family for the night and a flight with a different airline the next morning. No woman should ever be ashamed of breastfeeding, Ms Gillette says. She wants both airlines to create policies that protect a woman from being harassed for feeding her child on an airplane. Freedom Airlines spokesman Paul Skellon says breastfeeding on a plane is OK if it's done in a discreet way. Forty-three states in the US have instituted rights for women breastfeeding. This reporter's wife was told last year to cease breastfeeding in a public hall of a federal office, despite laws saying it is legal to do so. Congress passed a right to breastfeed in 1999, which governs all federal buildings and parks. h14_theaustralian.gif Description: GIF image
[ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?
That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and the answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what the WHO says! :-) There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other dairy products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that they are 5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and yoghurt under it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and that 1 in 3 toddlers has low iron stores.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections
Hi Carolyn, I presented the intradermal protocol and GBS protocol to the CNC at Lismore the other day. She asked me if you could provide evidence to support the intradermal injections, but was interested in the concept. Anything would be great - I haven't done looking myself as I'm just completing my degree. Did my last official birth last night - now for the portfolio and remaining assignments. Thanks, Sue Hello Andrea, thanks for your kind words. As for the sacral water injections, we have only used them for late first stage and second stage. So repeats haven't been an issue for us. Yes, it does sting, but all the women, bar one, found the injections wonderful. One of the women I saw for her three week postnatal visit and she voluntarily told me all about the injections with great wonder. I didn't know she had them, and when I asked her all about her experience with our service and the birth of her baby etc, she waxed lyrical about the change in sensation with the injections. Very interesting. And yes, because it stings so much, two midwives give the injection at the same time, the women would not let you do it again immediately after, they swat your hands away - or try to. :-) I appreciate the logic with giving them both at the same time. The midwives at JHH have been using them in the birth centre as well. They reckon the injections are great too. I haven't heard any feedback about the refusal for long labours, I'll check that out and get back to you. I'll send you the protocol from work, it's on my work computer, warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, It is so good to hear that Belmont is doing well - what a great standard bearer for midwifery and women! Can I ask you something about the sterile water injections? When I was in the Colac area earlier this year doing a workshop, I was told that although this method was brilliant at relieving the pain, especially with posterior labours, women were often reluctant to have the injections a second time, when the effects of the first round had worn off (it was suggested the effect would last for 2 -3 hours). I found this interesting, and speculated that the pain of the injections must have been bad, for women to think that a short lived sting would be worse than long painful contractions that often come with an OP labour. What has been your experience with doing follow up injections, especially during a long labour? I was also told that it was a good idea to have two midwives do the injections simultaneously - that way the pain was shorter (but presumably more intense with two injections being done at the same time). Can you shed any light on this aspect as well? Many thanks, Andrea PS I would love a copy of your protocol as well, if you email it me. At 02:00 AM 18/11/2006, you wrote: Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the intradermal water injections and their efficacy. We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford, Maitland, John Hunter and Taree. Janice presented her information and we all practised on each other (OUCH). It feels like a wasp sting. One of the midwives had back pain which was cured for six hours with the injection she received that day! It took us MONTHS to get the procedure through clinical governance. However, it is through. We have used the injections for about eight women since only one was not completely successful. We have even found them fantastic for late first stage when the backache has stopped the woman from progessing and even second stage when women wouldn't push because the backache was too bad. After the injections, voila - baby! John Hunter midwives are also now using this technique too with great success. Janice Deo Campo did a research project and the results are in the Birth Issues Journal from CAPERS. It is a wonderful, effective tool which may just help someone avoid an epidural or even make birth much more manageable for those women with excrutiating backache. If anyone wants the protocol and information sheet, please email me at work mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send it to you. warmly, Carolyn Heartlogic http://www.heartlogic.bizwww.heartlogic.biz Phone: +61 2 43893919 PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay, NSW 2261 As a single footstep will not make a path in the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over again the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives Henry David Thoreau -- This mailing list is sponsored
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?
Well a lot of our ideas of low high and appropriate levels of iron come from formula companies trying to make bm out to be defective. The real studies into iron and children are very different. I never understand the logic that people think toddlers need a special food so you have to give them formula when we have prefectly fine toddler food in our breasts. My kid seems to have survived without the benefit of Karicare. [insert vomiting noises] I hate artificial feed companies. J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next? That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and the answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what the WHO says! J There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other dairy products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that they are 5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and yoghurt under it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and that 1 in 3 toddlers has low iron stores.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne
Congratulations Rachel and Dan. That sounds fantastic. I hope postnatal goes as well. Cheers Judy --- Dan Rachael Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I birthed Kaede` Anne yesterday morning at home in water after a gentle night of labour. Born at 38 weeks, she weighed 6 pound 14oz. She is beautiful and adorned by her big brother Rhett. Rhett is going to give her some breastfeeding lessons this PM because she is having trouble getting it right! :) Love, Rachaelxx _ Dan Rachael Austin Namcala 418 Austin's Road Theodore, QLD, 4719 HPh: (07) 49931213 Dan's Mob: 0409896285 Rachael's Mob: 0419750780 Fax: (07) 49931341 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections
Here in Colac we have a copy of the research, and findings, that was done to support the sterile h2o injections, if that would be of any help. Pauline - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, I presented the intradermal protocol and GBS protocol to the CNC at Lismore the other day. She asked me if you could provide evidence to support the intradermal injections, but was interested in the concept. Anything would be great - I haven't done looking myself as I'm just completing my degree. Did my last official birth last night - now for the portfolio and remaining assignments. Thanks, Sue Hello Andrea, thanks for your kind words. As for the sacral water injections, we have only used them for late first stage and second stage. So repeats haven't been an issue for us. Yes, it does sting, but all the women, bar one, found the injections wonderful. One of the women I saw for her three week postnatal visit and she voluntarily told me all about the injections with great wonder. I didn't know she had them, and when I asked her all about her experience with our service and the birth of her baby etc, she waxed lyrical about the change in sensation with the injections. Very interesting. And yes, because it stings so much, two midwives give the injection at the same time, the women would not let you do it again immediately after, they swat your hands away - or try to. :-) I appreciate the logic with giving them both at the same time. The midwives at JHH have been using them in the birth centre as well. They reckon the injections are great too. I haven't heard any feedback about the refusal for long labours, I'll check that out and get back to you. I'll send you the protocol from work, it's on my work computer, warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, It is so good to hear that Belmont is doing well - what a great standard bearer for midwifery and women! Can I ask you something about the sterile water injections? When I was in the Colac area earlier this year doing a workshop, I was told that although this method was brilliant at relieving the pain, especially with posterior labours, women were often reluctant to have the injections a second time, when the effects of the first round had worn off (it was suggested the effect would last for 2 -3 hours). I found this interesting, and speculated that the pain of the injections must have been bad, for women to think that a short lived sting would be worse than long painful contractions that often come with an OP labour. What has been your experience with doing follow up injections, especially during a long labour? I was also told that it was a good idea to have two midwives do the injections simultaneously - that way the pain was shorter (but presumably more intense with two injections being done at the same time). Can you shed any light on this aspect as well? Many thanks, Andrea PS I would love a copy of your protocol as well, if you email it me. At 02:00 AM 18/11/2006, you wrote: Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the intradermal water injections and their efficacy. We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford, Maitland, John Hunter and Taree. Janice presented her information and we all practised on each other (OUCH). It feels like a wasp sting. One of the midwives had back pain which was cured for six hours with the injection she received that day! It took us MONTHS to get the procedure through clinical governance. However, it is through. We have used the injections for about eight women since only one was not completely successful. We have even found them fantastic for late first stage when the backache has stopped the woman from progessing and even second stage when women wouldn't push because the backache was too bad. After the injections, voila - baby! John Hunter midwives are also now using this technique too with great success. Janice Deo Campo did a research project and the results are in the Birth Issues Journal from CAPERS. It is a wonderful, effective tool which may just help someone avoid an epidural or even make birth much more manageable for those women with excrutiating backache. If anyone wants the protocol and information sheet, please email me at work mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send it to you. warmly, Carolyn Heartlogic http://www.heartlogic.bizwww.heartlogic.biz Phone: +61 2 43893919 PO Box 5405
Re: [ozmidwifery] Does anyone need help ...
Hi all, Thank you both Kelly and Mike for your great informative posts. To put everyone's mind at ease, my spam issues aren't totally related to the ozmid list. The issues I have that actually do relate to the list is due to the fact that all spam sent to the list bounces and all the bounces end up in my ozmid mailbox. I can promise you that very little if any spam actually gets to you via the list. I continue to be available to anyone who needs assistance but can I ask that you email off the list. I don't always get a chance to read the postings and may miss your request. Warm regards Kim List Administrator At 18:57 20/11/2006, you wrote: There are several things you can do to limit spam. 1 Don't use the email address supplied by your ISP for anything but people you know and block everything else. The same goes for work email, just use it for work as your employer can quite legally read it ALL, unless you happen to be the boss ;0~ 2 Use a free email for group subscriptions so you can cancel it and get a new one if spam becomes overwhelming which it probably will eventually. 3 Use a second free email for any of those online things that require an email just in case they are a scam. Once again you can just ditch it and get a new one. 3 Don't use hotmail if you don't want spam. 4 Turn on spam filters provided by your email service, but make sure you check them occasionally as they sometimes block a genuine one and yes the odd rubbish will get thru, just click delete without opening the email. 5 Don't open junk emails at all and don't EVER click on a file or link in an email unless you know who it has come from. You can get a virus that way. I personally find gmail ( www.gmail.com) a good free email service with reliable spam protection, it has loads of storage and I love the fact that it groups all related emails together. This feature is fantastic for group emails as you can see all the replies to a topic grouped together. If anyone wants a gmail invite drop me a line. There are other free reliable email services too. rgds mike On 11/20/06, Kelly Zantey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spiders trawl the web looking for email addresses to spam constantly - you could have your email address anywhere, even by posting it here, it gets archived and listed online. The spiders are so clever these days they even understand when people try to trick them like this: mynameAThotmailDOTcom Also be careful what you sign up for on the web, often they get sold to third parties. When you get those spam emails that tell you to 'click here' to stop receiving emails from places you never signed up, it can actually make it worse, as you are just reaffirming that it's a valid email address and they keep on at it. Dodgy practices I tell you! So just be vigilant where you post your email address. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Garratt Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:44 PM To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Does anyone need help ... Hi Kim, Me too, lots of spam from ?? banks, job offers, penis enlargement!! I thought it was because someone typed my email address into UTUBE. Could they have got it from the list somehow? 20/11/06 for example 12 messages 10 of them spam. Julie:) - Original Message - From: Kim Hunter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Does anyone need help ... Hi everyone, As I have been inundated with far too much spam, I am concerned that I'm missing messages from people on the list who are having problems. If this is the case for anyone, let me apologise if I missed your bounced emails or not responded to you, its not been intentional, its just been out of my control. In order to help you resolve any current issues, can you contact me directly (no through the list). My email address is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] I will endeavour to help you resolve any current list issues as quickly as is possible. Regards Kim --- Kim Hunter List Administration Birth International ACE Graphics and Associates in Childbirth Education http://www.birthinternational.com/http://www.birthinternational.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.auhttp://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.auhttp://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections
Thanks Pauline, it would be great to receive the research on intradermal water injections, Sue Here in Colac we have a copy of the research, and findings, that was done to support the sterile h2o injections, if that would be of any help. Pauline - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, I presented the intradermal protocol and GBS protocol to the CNC at Lismore the other day. She asked me if you could provide evidence to support the intradermal injections, but was interested in the concept. Anything would be great - I haven't done looking myself as I'm just completing my degree. Did my last official birth last night - now for the portfolio and remaining assignments. Thanks, Sue Hello Andrea, thanks for your kind words. As for the sacral water injections, we have only used them for late first stage and second stage. So repeats haven't been an issue for us. Yes, it does sting, but all the women, bar one, found the injections wonderful. One of the women I saw for her three week postnatal visit and she voluntarily told me all about the injections with great wonder. I didn't know she had them, and when I asked her all about her experience with our service and the birth of her baby etc, she waxed lyrical about the change in sensation with the injections. Very interesting. And yes, because it stings so much, two midwives give the injection at the same time, the women would not let you do it again immediately after, they swat your hands away - or try to. :-) I appreciate the logic with giving them both at the same time. The midwives at JHH have been using them in the birth centre as well. They reckon the injections are great too. I haven't heard any feedback about the refusal for long labours, I'll check that out and get back to you. I'll send you the protocol from work, it's on my work computer, warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, It is so good to hear that Belmont is doing well - what a great standard bearer for midwifery and women! Can I ask you something about the sterile water injections? When I was in the Colac area earlier this year doing a workshop, I was told that although this method was brilliant at relieving the pain, especially with posterior labours, women were often reluctant to have the injections a second time, when the effects of the first round had worn off (it was suggested the effect would last for 2 -3 hours). I found this interesting, and speculated that the pain of the injections must have been bad, for women to think that a short lived sting would be worse than long painful contractions that often come with an OP labour. What has been your experience with doing follow up injections, especially during a long labour? I was also told that it was a good idea to have two midwives do the injections simultaneously - that way the pain was shorter (but presumably more intense with two injections being done at the same time). Can you shed any light on this aspect as well? Many thanks, Andrea PS I would love a copy of your protocol as well, if you email it me. At 02:00 AM 18/11/2006, you wrote: Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the intradermal water injections and their efficacy. We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford, Maitland, John Hunter and Taree. Janice presented her information and we all practised on each other (OUCH). It feels like a wasp sting. One of the midwives had back pain which was cured for six hours with the injection she received that day! It took us MONTHS to get the procedure through clinical governance. However, it is through. We have used the injections for about eight women since only one was not completely successful. We have even found them fantastic for late first stage when the backache has stopped the woman from progessing and even second stage when women wouldn't push because the backache was too bad. After the injections, voila - baby! John Hunter midwives are also now using this technique too with great success. Janice Deo Campo did a research project and the results are in the Birth Issues Journal from CAPERS. It is a wonderful, effective tool which may just help someone avoid an epidural or even make birth much more manageable for those women with excrutiating backache. If anyone wants the protocol and information sheet, please email me at work mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send it to you.
