Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife in Canberra / area

[Sonja & Barry]

You should be able to contact Marie on 0407266004 or email to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and Jane on 0408035808, both are lovely and you 
should be able to find which one suits you the best!.
Sonja 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife in Canberra / area

[Sonja & Barry]

have you tried Marie Heath from Goulburn or Jane Collings from Bowral.
Sonja
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Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs

[Sonja & Barry]

Abby,
I think the cost differences may be partly due to a limited number of 
midwives available in NSW to be at homebirths.  Those that do seem to need 
to travel far distances for some of the women.  Most I know do antenatal and 
postnatal in the woman's home and if they are driving 80+kms each way would 
be quite expensive for petrol and wear & tear on their cars.  We also need 
to consider that women, of which I have met 2 recently, who have spent 
$8000- $1 out of their own money, because they did not have private 
health insurance, to employ a private obstetrician.  For this they get to 
wait 2-3 hours at the doctor's rooms for a 10minute visit, no time to ask 
questions, no postnatal other than the 6 week checkup, an increased chance 
of an induction of labour, an epidural, leading onto the caesarean for 
failure to progress, maternal exhaustion etc, and in one case the ob did not 
even make the birth.  I certainly would be more than happy to pay $4000 for 
a midwife to come to me and have my baby at home.  I also understand that 
some of these midwives will accept full payment after the birth, and some 
women will choose to take up this option and use the baby bonus for this, 
whilst other women will pay amounts throughout their pregnancy and a balance 
after the baby is born.

Sonja
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs


How come there is such a big difference? I mean, that is a really BIG 
difference!!


Love Abby




Mary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Same in WA. MM



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Approx $2000-$2500 here in SA I think, from what I know anyway.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales

[Sonja & Barry]

Judy,
I think it is inhishands.com if not just google "in his hands"and it will 
come up.

Sonja
- Original Message - 
From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales



Sonja,
Do they have a web site?
Cheers
Judy

--- Sonja & Barry  wrote:


Cath & Mary,
I purchased the hanging baby scales and sling from a company
called "in his hands".  they are based in Texas but they only
took about 3-4 days to arrive.  The scales are digital and
about the size of a cigarette packet and weigh in both grams
and kilos upto 30kg.  They scales cost $35US and the sling
cost $15US.  Postage was another $10US.  I love them and can't
wait to weigh some babies!!
Sonja



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Re: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales

[Sonja & Barry]

- Original Message - 
From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales



Sonja,
Do they have a web site?
Cheers
Judy

--- Sonja & Barry < wrote:


Cath & Mary,
I purchased the hanging baby scales and sling from a company
called "in his hands".  they are based in Texas but they only
took about 3-4 days to arrive.  The scales are digital and
about the size of a cigarette packet and weigh in both grams
and kilos upto 30kg.  They scales cost $35US and the sling
cost $15US.  Postage was another $10US.  I love them and can't
wait to weigh some babies!!
Sonja



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Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

[Sonja & Barry]

Are you able to "acquire" it 
somehow

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  cath nolan 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:13 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] getting synto 
  etc
  
  I have a few births at home coming up and was 
  wondering about synto and other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? 
  Do I have to have a script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find 
  difficult is the issue of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in 
  have been for friends and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of 
  payment and cost that they use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would 
  love to have a bit more idea. Any feedback will be greatly 
  appreciated,
   
  Thanks Cath

[ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales

[Sonja & Barry]

Cath & Mary,
I purchased the hanging baby scales and sling from 
a company called "in his hands".  they are based in Texas but they only 
took about 3-4 days to arrive.  The scales are digital and about the size 
of a cigarette packet and weigh in both grams and kilos upto 30kg.  They 
scales cost $35US and the sling cost $15US.  Postage was another 
$10US.  I love them and can't wait to weigh some babies!!
Sonja

[ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales

[Sonja & Barry]

Wondering if anyone knows where I would be able to 
purchase hanging baby scales.
Thanks 
Sonja

[ozmidwifery] 2nd degree tears

[Sonja & Barry]

I was wondering if any of you wise women know of 
any research to support not suturing 2nd degree tears.  I know that Becky 
Reed from the Albany Practice in London has undertaken some research in this 
area, maybe someone on the list could direct me on how I would be able to obtain 
a copy of it.
Thanks in advance
Sonja

Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step

[Sonja & Barry]

I however have found that many midwives who have 
worked as an RN prior to being a midwife often see women as sick and need saving 
and intervention to birth their babies.  I have found that most who go 
straight from their bachelor of nursing into midwifery without a year of two of 
nursing are more women centred.  Just a generalisation of course.  
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike & 
  Lindsay Kennedy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward 
  step
  
  I would like to reply to this one as a just about to finish 
  Mid student with 6 years as an RN. There are two ways to become a midwife in 
  Au, a one year (18 months) upgrade or a 3 year direct entry course. The 
  upgrade course for RN's relies on the fact that you have some nursing 
  experience WHY? From where I am now, I absolutely agree that an RN cannot do 
  the full job of a midwife without formalised midwifery training. Before 
  I began my course, I too thought that midwifery was really just another 
  nursing specialisation like an ICU nurse or a Psyc Nurse. 
   There are a lot of skills and practices that are 
  common to both professions especially as most of us work in a hospital 
  setting. Midwifery requires advanced people skills, time management skills and 
  assessment skills as well as learning to work within the hospital system and 
  learning to work with other health care professionals in an often autonomous 
  role. Even after 3 years of training RN's need a new grad year to develop the 
  basics of these skills and probably a further 2 or 3 years to become 
  proficient. Obviously maturity, background and life experience all play a part 
  in this transition.
   I have met a couple of new grad RN's who have gone 
  straight into 1 year mid training and they appear to find it difficult as the 
  upgrade program appears to expect a level of knowledge/experience not yet 
  developed in a new grad RN. Not to say that experienced RN's find it a breeze, 
  its not. It's hard work and can be bloody stressful ;) Obviously this is a 
  generalisation and once again the maturity, background and life experience of 
  the individual will apply. 
   In NZ RN's were able to upgrade in a similar way. 
  However those RN's felt that they were not receiving as adequate training as 
  the direct entry Midwives. So now RN's complete the same course as the direct 
  entry mids with a credit for a portion of the course based on their 
  qualification/experiance.
   So that is why I feel as an RN almost 
  midwife that RN's should have at least one year post grad experience prior to 
  training. The better way would be to do the 3 year direct entry course if you 
  want to be a midwife and not an RN as well.
   Some more thoughts on the original post.
   It feels like the proposal to train RN's to work in 
  mid is not based on a concern for the patients or the RN's but a way of 
  staffing the ward cheaply. They could offcourse pay for these RN's to do the 
  Mid training which is available, as it is appropriate for mid students who 
  happen to be RN's to work on the ward under midwife supervision. Assuming the 
  RN's are willing to complete the appropriate assignment work etc. If they 
  aren't they are they really the right ppl to be working on maternity in the 
  first place.
  Most RN's would agree that it would be inappropriate to 
  replace RN's with AIN's and train them to look after patients, take obs, 
  change dressings, mobilise patents etc. Then have an RN be held responsible 
  should the AIN make a mistake or fail to recognise a patient who had 
  deteriorated or needed reviewing. That is the legal situation in Queensland if 
  an RN works in a maternity unit. They work under the supervision of the 
  midwife, so the midwife is the one held responsible for the practice of the RN 
  should there be a problem. 
  Remember an American obstetrics nurse is just that, not a 
  midwife (yes America has midwives too). They really are nurses as Doctors 
  perform most of the advanced birthing roles (like actually delivering the baby 
  etc) that midwives do here.
   
  Rgds Mike
  On 10/2/06, Rene and 
  Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  


It has 
been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife 
question.  As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward 
to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have 
described!  My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a 
nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but 
found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and 
RN's are generally unwelcome in maternity.  I would have given anything 
to have the opportunity to work and 'help out' in maternity whilst waiting 
to secure a student midwife place.  Instead I went strai

Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step

[Sonja & Barry]

I however have found that many midwives who have 
worked as an RN prior to being a midwife often see women as sick and need saving 
and intervention to birth their babies.  I have found that most who go 
straight from their bachelor of nursing into midwifery without a year of two of 
nursing are more women centred.  Just a generalisation of course.  
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike & 
  Lindsay Kennedy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward 
  step
  
  I would like to reply to this one as a just about to finish 
  Mid student with 6 years as an RN. There are two ways to become a midwife in 
  Au, a one year (18 months) upgrade or a 3 year direct entry course. The 
  upgrade course for RN's relies on the fact that you have some nursing 
  experience WHY? From where I am now, I absolutely agree that an RN cannot do 
  the full job of a midwife without formalised midwifery training. Before 
  I began my course, I too thought that midwifery was really just another 
  nursing specialisation like an ICU nurse or a Psyc Nurse. 
   There are a lot of skills and practices that are 
  common to both professions especially as most of us work in a hospital 
  setting. Midwifery requires advanced people skills, time management skills and 
  assessment skills as well as learning to work within the hospital system and 
  learning to work with other health care professionals in an often autonomous 
  role. Even after 3 years of training RN's need a new grad year to develop the 
  basics of these skills and probably a further 2 or 3 years to become 
  proficient. Obviously maturity, background and life experience all play a part 
  in this transition.
   I have met a couple of new grad RN's who have gone 
  straight into 1 year mid training and they appear to find it difficult as the 
  upgrade program appears to expect a level of knowledge/experience not yet 
  developed in a new grad RN. Not to say that experienced RN's find it a breeze, 
  its not. It's hard work and can be bloody stressful ;) Obviously this is a 
  generalisation and once again the maturity, background and life experience of 
  the individual will apply. 
   In NZ RN's were able to upgrade in a similar way. 
  However those RN's felt that they were not receiving as adequate training as 
  the direct entry Midwives. So now RN's complete the same course as the direct 
  entry mids with a credit for a portion of the course based on their 
  qualification/experiance.
   So that is why I feel as an RN almost 
  midwife that RN's should have at least one year post grad experience prior to 
  training. The better way would be to do the 3 year direct entry course if you 
  want to be a midwife and not an RN as well.
   Some more thoughts on the original post.
   It feels like the proposal to train RN's to work in 
  mid is not based on a concern for the patients or the RN's but a way of 
  staffing the ward cheaply. They could offcourse pay for these RN's to do the 
  Mid training which is available, as it is appropriate for mid students who 
  happen to be RN's to work on the ward under midwife supervision. Assuming the 
  RN's are willing to complete the appropriate assignment work etc. If they 
  aren't they are they really the right ppl to be working on maternity in the 
  first place.
  Most RN's would agree that it would be inappropriate to 
  replace RN's with AIN's and train them to look after patients, take obs, 
  change dressings, mobilise patents etc. Then have an RN be held responsible 
  should the AIN make a mistake or fail to recognise a patient who had 
  deteriorated or needed reviewing. That is the legal situation in Queensland if 
  an RN works in a maternity unit. They work under the supervision of the 
  midwife, so the midwife is the one held responsible for the practice of the RN 
  should there be a problem. 
  Remember an American obstetrics nurse is just that, not a 
  midwife (yes America has midwives too). They really are nurses as Doctors 
  perform most of the advanced birthing roles (like actually delivering the baby 
  etc) that midwives do here.
   
  Rgds Mike
  On 10/2/06, Rene and 
  Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  


It has 
been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife 
question.  As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward 
to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have 
described!  My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a 
nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but 
found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and 
RN's are generally unwelcome in maternity.  I would have given anything 
to have the opportunity to work and 'help out' in maternity whilst waiting 
to secure a student midwife place.  Instead I went strai

Re: [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea

[Sonja & Barry]

Carolyn,
I have one from 1999 Raspberry leaf tea & its 
effect on labour, safety & effeciency by Parson, Simpson & Ponton from 
the ACMI September 1999.  If you are going to the seminar at Newcastle Uni 
tomorrow I can give you the information we give to the women at 
Camden
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Heartlogic 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:42 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted 
  please re Raspberry Leaf Tea
  
  Hello Wise ones,
   
  Does anyone have the reference to the study 
  on the use of Raspberry Leaf Tea in pregnancy on hand? 
   
  I'll be so grateful if you do and can find it 
  easily and send it to me!  Please email me direct on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  It's a beautiful day up here on the Central Coast 
  of NSW!  Trust you all are having a great weekend! 
   
  with best and happiest wishes, Carolyn 
  Hastie
   
   
  Heartlogic www.heartlogic.bizPhone: +61 2 
  43893919PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay, NSW 2261 
   
  "As a single footstep will not make a path in the 
  earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep 
  physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must 
  think over and over again the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives" 
  Henry David Thoreau

Re: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line

[Sonja & Barry]

It is sometimes called the Hobbs line
Sonja
- Original Message - 
From: "Gail McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line


This is really interesting.  As a student I have access to hundreds of 
databases.  I went straight to Lancet to access the article.  (Actually, 
it is 1990, 335(8681), not 1997.  Anyway, guess what?  While the article 
is listed in the contents page at the front, it cannot be accessed.  I 
tried all the databases & none of them will let me have it. 
Hmmm.Mayhaps one will have to dig out an actual copy of the 
magazine to find it.  Tell me again...Who controls access to information? 
Should I expect a knock on the door anytime soon?




From: "Tania Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:25:08 +0930

Hi Mary,



The reference from the article by Lesley Hobbs is the article that was
initially published in the Lancet.here is the complete reference from the
Hobbs article.



Byrne DL, Edmonds DK.  Clinical method for evaluating progress in the 
first

stage of labour.  Lancet  1997; 335(8681): 122



I haven't actually seen the original study, just came across the Hobbs
article when I was doing my Mid training in 1998.  She was published in 
the

Practising Midwife, in November 1998 Volume 1 Number 11 p 34-35.



I have often thought how great it would be to have some more compelling
evidence, in this age of having to justify everything with the research, 
but

the idea of conducting a study, and comparing length of purple line to
cervical dilatation on women throughout labour seems just unthinkable.  So 
I
think it will have to be one of those things that we see, and perhaps 
report
on in a retrospective manner.  Perhaps a national purple line 
database.just

thoughts!  I think Heather Hancock from Uni SA was considering doing some
research using photos and then looking at the time of the photo showing 
the
elongated purple line, with the time of birth, and using that comparison 
to

propose that it could be used as a complementary tool when assessing a
woman's progress in labour.  Haven't heard anything else about it though.



Tania

xx



   _

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 7:57 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line



Tania, could I please have a few more details? E.g. author and complete
title of article? I am also puzzled by the (8681). I can't seem to access 
it

with the details you provided.  Thanks, MM



Tania wrote:

For anyone who's interested, the original piece of research was pubished 
in


the Lancet 1997, 335(8681): 122 entitled Clinical Method for Evaluat




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Strengths

[Sonja & Barry]

Title: Midwifery Strengths



Camden in NSW offers 1-2-1 and the women also meet 
the backup midwife incase her midwife is away or on days off and are unable to 
attend the birth.  Births however are at Campbelltown, yet we continue to 
strive to get our babies born where their mothers would like to have 
them.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:55 
  PM
  Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
  Strengths
  
  Hi Brenda
   
  Don't know if this made it on to the list - it 
  didn't show up my end! Apologies if it is a double up. 
  Also, thanks to the other responses I received 
  on the subject.  It is really interesting reading about the models of 
  care available at the moment and clearly there isn't a one size fits 
  all.  
   
  Helen 
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Helen 
  and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Strengths
  
  Not exactly Brenda.  The idea of 
  antenatal, birth and postnatal care all by the one midwife (in a 
  hospital setting) rather than a team approach which exists in a few places as 
  mentioned. 
   
  Helen
   
   
   
  From: brendamanning 
  
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:08 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
Strengths

Rosebud offers 
full Midwifery Antenatal care with known midwife but no MW 
specifically on-call for the birth.
Is that what you mean 
?
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:18 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
  Strengths
  
  Just wondering if there are any 
  midwifery models within a hospital setting in Australia offering 
  1-2-1 care, apart from "team midwifery" models where there may 
  be a primary midwife but a team approach to after hours 
  on-call.   
   
  Helen
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Justine Caines 
To: OzMid List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:30 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
Strengths
Dear ReneeI will give a strength from 
the consumer perspective!The power of the relationship between a 
woman and a midwife.  When it works there is nothing a woman cannot 
do. The impact of that trust and that belief in ‘being with woman’ has 
the capacity to transform lives.Read Andrew Bissits’ afterward 
in “Having a Great Birth in Australia”  He comments on the trust 
and the relationship women have with midwives providing 1-2-1 care. 
 Something the vast majority of other carers (and midwives in 
fragmented models) cannot achieve.Gee I wish I was writing this 
essay (shame I don’t want to be a MW!)  I would approach the core 
of strength from the perspective of when midwives actually do as the 
word means be ‘with woman’So to be with her one should know her, 
and put her as central to the process.  To do this she comes first 
and Hospital protocols after and Dr’s timeframes after etc.  I 
guess the real strength is when practice is optimal.Kind 
regardsJustine CainesHi all.I am a 
1st year B.Mid student writing the obligatory essay on Midwifery in 
Australia. No easy feat really and I need to outline some strengths 
and weaknesses. Well there is plenty out there about what is wrong 
with Midwifery Services and what the threats are (New Idea anyone?) 
 but not a lot talking about what is right with it, besides the 
inherent fact that it works!! So I thought I'd do a little bit of a 
survey and ask you all what you think are the strengths. What do you 
all see as being great about being a Midwife in Australia?? Your 
feedback would be most appreciated.Renee 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Strengths

[Sonja & Barry]

Title: Midwifery Strengths



Camden in NSW offers 1-2-1 and the women also meet 
the backup midwife incase her midwife is away or on days off and are unable to 
attend the birth.  Births however are at Campbelltown, yet we continue to 
strive to get our babies born where their mothers would like to have 
them.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:55 
  PM
  Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
  Strengths
  
  Hi Brenda
   
  Don't know if this made it on to the list - it 
  didn't show up my end! Apologies if it is a double up. 
  Also, thanks to the other responses I received 
  on the subject.  It is really interesting reading about the models of 
  care available at the moment and clearly there isn't a one size fits 
  all.  
   
  Helen 
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Helen 
  and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Strengths
  
  Not exactly Brenda.  The idea of 
  antenatal, birth and postnatal care all by the one midwife (in a 
  hospital setting) rather than a team approach which exists in a few places as 
  mentioned. 
   
  Helen
   
   
   
  From: brendamanning 
  
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:08 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
Strengths

Rosebud offers 
full Midwifery Antenatal care with known midwife but no MW 
specifically on-call for the birth.
Is that what you mean 
?
With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:18 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
  Strengths
  
  Just wondering if there are any 
  midwifery models within a hospital setting in Australia offering 
  1-2-1 care, apart from "team midwifery" models where there may 
  be a primary midwife but a team approach to after hours 
  on-call.   
   
  Helen
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Justine Caines 
To: OzMid List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:30 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery 
Strengths
Dear ReneeI will give a strength from 
the consumer perspective!The power of the relationship between a 
woman and a midwife.  When it works there is nothing a woman cannot 
do. The impact of that trust and that belief in ‘being with woman’ has 
the capacity to transform lives.Read Andrew Bissits’ afterward 
in “Having a Great Birth in Australia”  He comments on the trust 
and the relationship women have with midwives providing 1-2-1 care. 
 Something the vast majority of other carers (and midwives in 
fragmented models) cannot achieve.Gee I wish I was writing this 
essay (shame I don’t want to be a MW!)  I would approach the core 
of strength from the perspective of when midwives actually do as the 
word means be ‘with woman’So to be with her one should know her, 
and put her as central to the process.  To do this she comes first 
and Hospital protocols after and Dr’s timeframes after etc.  I 
guess the real strength is when practice is optimal.Kind 
regardsJustine CainesHi all.I am a 
1st year B.Mid student writing the obligatory essay on Midwifery in 
Australia. No easy feat really and I need to outline some strengths 
and weaknesses. Well there is plenty out there about what is wrong 
with Midwifery Services and what the threats are (New Idea anyone?) 
 but not a lot talking about what is right with it, besides the 
inherent fact that it works!! So I thought I'd do a little bit of a 
survey and ask you all what you think are the strengths. What do you 
all see as being great about being a Midwife in Australia?? Your 
feedback would be most appreciated.Renee 
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Fw: [ozmidwifery] wonderful birth

[Sonja & Barry]

Ooops!  The date is actually Wednesday the 
24th May.
Sorry 
Sonja
- Original Message - 
From: Sonja & 
Barry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] wonderful birth


Lina Clerke will be bringing her Wonderful Birth 
Workshop to Sydney.  If you would love to attend Lina's inspiring 
presentation, see below
 
 
Need a 
BIG faith boost?
Renew 
you passion & regain enthusiasm for instinctive 
birthing.
 
 
The 
Macarthur Midwives Association presents:
 
“Wonderful 
Birth”
 
A 
fun, interactive & hands on day discovering the
Magic 
of Instinctive Birthing.
With 
Lina Clerke
 
Come 
& be inspired about:
 
   
facilitating instinctive birth
   prenatal 
& intrapartum education
   assisting 
women to have normal births
   active 
birth principles
   how best to 
use positions which help labour & birth
   encouraging 
hormonal release to occur
   avoiding 
medical intervention
   how to 
support women & their partners
   using 
relaxation skills that are guaranteed to work
   
inspirational videos and photos.
 
 
25th 
May 2006, 
 0930 – 1600 hrs at Conference 
Room,
Campbelltown 
Hospital
Cost 
$100
Includes 
lunch, morning & afternoon tea.
 
For more information or a registration form please 
contact
Sonja MacGregor on 0434327077 or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[ozmidwifery] wonderful birth

[Sonja & Barry]

Lina Clerke will be bringing her Wonderful Birth 
Workshop to Sydney.  If you would love to attend Lina's inspiring 
presentation, see below
 
 
Need a 
BIG faith boost?
Renew 
you passion & regain enthusiasm for instinctive 
birthing.
 
 
The 
Macarthur Midwives Association presents:
 
“Wonderful 
Birth”
 
A 
fun, interactive & hands on day discovering the
Magic 
of Instinctive Birthing.
With 
Lina Clerke
 
Come 
& be inspired about:
 
   
facilitating instinctive birth
   prenatal 
& intrapartum education
   assisting 
women to have normal births
   active 
birth principles
   how best to 
use positions which help labour & birth
   encouraging 
hormonal release to occur
   avoiding 
medical intervention
   how to 
support women & their partners
   using 
relaxation skills that are guaranteed to work
   
inspirational videos and photos.
 
 
25th 
May 2006, 
 0930 – 1600 hrs at Conference 
Room,
Campbelltown 
Hospital
Cost 
$100
Includes 
lunch, morning & afternoon tea.
 
For more information or a registration form please 
contact
Sonja MacGregor on 0434327077 or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Centres in West NSW?

[Sonja & Barry]

Camden's birth centre closed to make way for 
caseload.  You are able to book into Camden for your antenatal and 
postnatal care with a midwife.  You see this midwife for all your antenatal 
visits and they catch your baby in hospital at Campbelltown.  All have 
experience in the birth centre and with water birth. You meet their back up 
midwife once or twice antenatally incase your midwife is on days off when your 
baby is born.  Your midwife will also visit you at home if you go home 
prior to 48 hours post birth.  Need to be very quick to use this option as 
November is already booked out and we are booking in women due to have a baby in 
December & January.  We are still working towards getting births back 
at Camden.  The powers that be call this current model with births at 
Campbelltown stage 2. Yet the minister opened stage 2 last week and was the only 
one of the speakers to mention stage 3!!!  won't be letting him forget that 
he said that.
Sonja
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:49 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Centres in 
  West NSW?
  
  
  A question from one of my 
  members:
   
  I was 
  wondering if there were any Birthing Centres in the Western Suburbs of NSW 
   I know Nepean Hospital had one and closed it down 
  about 2yrs ago due to lack of staff and also i think Campbelltown had one, but 
  thats also closed down LI cant seem to find any information about it or anything?!?!?! 
  Its really quite frustrating, i want to look into something, like a water birth 
  (but im not prepared to do it at 
  home!) for around my area and cant find a thing! Maybe i should ring a 
  politician or something!? LOL Can anyone 
  help? Kell, do you have any contacts up this 
  way?
   
  I think I need to put together a 
  Birth Centre list! Oh and I love seeing another one on my forum converted (in 
  a nice way of course!) ;) ;) It’s working!!! J
   
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle 
  Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
  Support - 
  http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Options for twins

[Sonja & Barry]

Have you given her a copy of Justine Caines' 
article "High Risk birth - Defined by Whom?" found in Birth Matters 
vol10.1.  
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lesleycs 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:42 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Options for 
  twins
  
  Dear list,
   
  I hope you can suggest a few options for a friend's daughter who is 
  pregnant with twins and looking for women-friendly care.  Her 
  holistic background combined with initial visits to GP 
  and obstetrician has left her disturbed, defiant, and 
  wary of getting caught up in the system.  But she is unsure of 
  her options. 
   
  I've given her some general information about multiples (from 
  'Midwifery Matters', UK Midwifery archives, this list, AIMS, 'Birth 
  Matters', details of MIPP etc.) together with some very-much-needed 
  positive twin birth stories - all of which has affirmed her strong desire 
  to keep this pregnancy and birth normal. 
   
  She lives in outer S.E. suburbs of Melbourne.  Is open to 
  independent midwifery care, although money is an issue.  Also no private 
  health insurance.  She's feels limited in her options and pushed to 
  obstetric care by default, and is asking for names of women-friendly 
  practitioners.  (Heard there was someone out Warrigal way?) 
   
  What are her options?  As 'high risk' does she qualify for any 
  midwifery care programs?  Are there any decent public shared 
  care options in the area? And if she is pushed to find the 
  money for private care how would the cost of independent 
  midwifery care compare with an obstetrician?  
   
  Any suggestions most welcome at this stage.
   
  Many thanks,
  Lesley 

Re: [ozmidwifery] need some references

[Sonja & Barry]

Jo,
I don't know if Camden will open for births 
again.  However, we continue to keep it on the agenda and our main focus 
for looking after "low risk" women so that our statistics support births coming 
home.I may know more at the end of the week as the Health Minister for NSW, John 
Hatzistergos will be coming to launch the Camden caseload model.
I have had some wonderful support regarding the 
home birth, however, the woman's husband and mother are adament that she birth 
in hospital.  Got to be careful what you say on here, as you just don't 
know who is lurking.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  jo 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:41 
PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] need some 
  references
  
  
  HI 
  Sonja,
   
  Is it likely that 
  Camden will 
  reopen for births or will the caseload midwives continue to travel to 
  Campbelltown with their clients?
   
  Hope you found 
  someone to support the woman wanting a hb – or are you doing 
  it??
   
  Take 
  care
   
  Jo Hunter 
  x
   
  
  
  
  
  From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Sonja & 
  BarrySent: Wednesday, 19 
  April 2006 7:57 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] need some 
  references
   
  
  I can supply you with some for a 
  "caseload" model if you are interested.  We have just started with 
  caseload at Camden and is so far going well.  More 
  flexible for midwives and women enjoy having their own 
  midwife.
  
  Sonja
  

- Original Message - 


From: Debbie 


To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 


Sent: 
Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:28 PM

Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] need some references

 

Hi all, Am in the midst of an 
assignment which entails developing a proposal for team midwifery in my 
rural unit here at Orange. I need some more references to 
support this alternative model of care from a traditional medical model. In 
anticipation, 
Debbie

Re: [ozmidwifery] need some references

[Sonja & Barry]

I can supply you with some for a "caseload" model 
if you are interested.  We have just started with caseload at Camden and is 
so far going well.  More flexible for midwives and women enjoy having their 
own midwife.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Debbie 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:28 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] need some 
  references
  
  Hi all, Am in the midst of an assignment which 
  entails developing a proposal for team midwifery in my rural unit here at 
  Orange. I need some more references to support this alternative model of care 
  from a traditional medical model. In anticipation, 
Debbie

Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming in

[Sonja & Barry]

 I never in my mind thought rooming in 
included shutting the door and saying see you in the morning.  I too take 
babies out for a few hours if the mother needs it or provide them with 
nurturing if they need it no matter what time of day or night.  But to have 
an overnight nursery for all babies or to take babies from their mothers 
overnight every night during their 3 -5 day stay is crazy even if they do go 
back for feeds.  Next thing I'll be hearing is that giving water 
overnight is a good way to settle them and hold them off a bit longer before the 
next feed!
Sorry if I come off a bit harsh, but at the end of 
the day it is about getting to know your new baby.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  suzi and 
  brett 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:41 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming 
  in
  
  Bit harsh Sonja...i dont believe the great and 
  growing practice of rooming in should completely eclipse midwives taking care 
  of the baby for a couple of hours while the woman gets some sleep.  Many 
  women have missed 2-3 nights sleep and have metaphorically walked up 
  a giant mountain or run a marathon to birth their baby.  Some women 
  still believe in the myth that they will get some rest in hsp and choose to 
  stay there 'cause they know once they are home their normal unpaid hard work 
  will be expected to commence. 
   
  i really believe its the least we can do for a 
  women who chooses (or has) to be in hosp to help her get the room 
  dark and cosy, rock her unsettled baby for her and let her have a few hours 
  uninterrupted sleep. (breast feeding access /issues aside - sometimes they 
  just won't quieten down - we know...for lots of other (including mysterious) 
  reasons and the woman would like a break). 
  Isn't it about choice and shouldn't all women's 
  voices be heard when those choices are being shaped - not just the 
  loudest. 
   
  I know you may not need a nursery room as such to 
  be able to offer the woman some relief - but i have witnessed many 
  times midwives copping out of giving the woman the help she 
  specifically wants citing "rooming-in policy". Women's well being and healing 
  is strenghened by a block of decent sleep.  If we don't have time to 
  do our jobs properly and our ratios in postnatal wards inadequate - 
  we must keep fighting for fairer working conditions - not blaming women 
  again.  
   
  Im all for being at home or getting back there 
  asap - but unfortunatly our social & community supports are a long way 
  from being universal, free and sufficient for all women to access this - 
  yet.
   
  Suzi
   
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Sonja 
& Barry 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:12 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming 
in

 
What are they complaining about?  The only 
ones who I think could complain are those very few women giving their baby 
up for adoption.  Don't these women want their babies?  I am very 
confused.  I would also bet they are the ones begging for an induction 
from about 30weeks.  However, I  thought all hospitals had 
rooming in these days.
Sonja 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  islips 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:56 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] rooming 
  in
  
  I wonder if someone can help me put together 
  some stats regarding 'rooming in' . I work at a large private hospital in 
  Perth . We recently closed our night nursery and implemented a 'rooming in 
  policy'. This has worked very well in enhancing BF , mothercrafting etc. 
  However due to 3 mothers and 3 obs complaining it looks as though we will 
  have to change the policy. we have a meeting on tuesday and i would like 
  to present some current research to the medical profession regarding the 
  benefits of rooming in.
  thanks
  zoe
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 
7:28 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 
question


Jenny, could 
you give us the reference please?  Thanks, 
MM
 





“, 
one study demonstrated zero oxygen, because there is no longer any 
utero-placental circulation. This is part of the stimulation for the 
baby to breathe, but the baby is receiving some circulatory volume. 
“

 

Jennifer Cameron FRCNA 
FACM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breeched baby

[Sonja & Barry]

do you live near an Ob who will perform an 
ECV?  '
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Madelaine 
  Akras 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:16 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breeched 
baby
  
  Hi, I was wondering if anyone can suggest anyway 
  to turn a breeched baby. I have recommended moxa every day for 15minutes on 
  the nail of the little toes - this actually started the process but has 
  not fully turned the baby.  I have also given her pulsutilla 200c, 
  suggested visualisation and talking to the baby. I am slight apprehensive 
  in recommending any of the yoga exercises as I dont know that much about them. 
  I would appreciate if anyone could recommend anything at all or any 
  website that would have information for my lady.  Her OB is recommending 
  she go in for a c-section at  38wk or to manually turn the baby however 
  he has said this can create complications.
   
  Thanking you 
   
  Madelaine Akras
  Naturopath
   
   
   
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming in

[Sonja & Barry]

 
What are they complaining about?  The only 
ones who I think could complain are those very few women giving their baby up 
for adoption.  Don't these women want their babies?  I am very 
confused.  I would also bet they are the ones begging for an induction from 
about 30weeks.  However, I  thought all hospitals had rooming in 
these days.
Sonja 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  islips 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:56 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] rooming in
  
  I wonder if someone can help me put together some 
  stats regarding 'rooming in' . I work at a large private hospital in Perth . 
  We recently closed our night nursery and implemented a 'rooming in policy'. 
  This has worked very well in enhancing BF , mothercrafting etc. However due to 
  3 mothers and 3 obs complaining it looks as though we will have to change the 
  policy. we have a meeting on tuesday and i would like to present some current 
  research to the medical profession regarding the benefits of rooming 
  in.
  thanks
  zoe
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:28 
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 
question


Jenny, could you 
give us the reference please?  Thanks, MM
 





“, one 
study demonstrated zero oxygen, because there is no longer any 
utero-placental circulation. This is part of the stimulation for the baby to 
breathe, but the baby is receiving some circulatory volume. “

 

Jennifer Cameron FRCNA 
FACM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Another blow for VBAC

[Sonja & Barry]

And what about inheriting their mother's small pelvises!!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Helen and Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Another blow for VBAC


> Here is another version of the Sydney Morning Herald article which seems
to
> have distorted some of the facts where it states "New research published
in
> the Medical Journal of Australia has found these women [first time mothers
> having a caesarian] are more vulnerable to uterine ruptures during birth,
> post-partum bleeding, infection and hysterectomies than women who go
through
> natural labour for their first birth".  Am I reading it incorrectly? It
> seems confusing at best and misleading at worst if that is the case!
>
> Helen Cahill
> Caesars pose risk for later deliveries
> From:
> By Amanda Hodge
> November 21, 2005
>
> HOLLYWOOD mothers love it and lawyers want more of it, but a new
Australian
> study warns that first-time mothers having a caesarean section face
greater
> risk of problems if they choose to deliver naturally in later pregnancies.
>
> New research published in the Medical Journal of Australia has found these
> women are more vulnerable to uterine ruptures during birth, post-partum
> bleeding, infection and hysterectomies than women who go through natural
> labour for their first birth.
> But women who delivered their first and subsequent children by caesarean
> were at lower risk of haemorrhage and intensive care admissions than those
> who went through vaginal birth.
>
> With record numbers of women choosing to deliver by caesarean section for
> convenience rather than medical reasons, the study by the New South Wales
> Health Department warns women should think twice before going under the
> knife.
>
> Study co-author and professor of perinatal medicine David Henderson-Smart
> said the increased risk of complications arose because a caesarean section
> left a scar on the uterus which, in the worst cases, could rupture during
> vaginal birth.
>
> "All the complications relate to how the afterbirth attaches to the side
of
> the womb and whether the womb gets into trouble," Professor
Henderson-Smart
> said.
>
>
> "That doesn't mean you can't have a vaginal birth, but it has to be
thought
> about carefully."
> The population-based study looked at 136,101 second-time mothers who gave
> birth between 1998 and 2002, 19 per cent of whom delivered their first
child
> by caesarean section.
>
> While complications were uncommon, the study found 51 per cent of uterine
> ruptures, 19 per cent of hysterectomies and 32per cent of post-partum
> infections were a result of primary caesarean sections.
>
> Babies could also face greater problems - four per cent of premature
births
> and five per cent of all neonatal intensive care admissions were
> attributable to primary caesarean section - but the study found no
increased
> risk of neonatal death as a result.
>
> That contrasts with the findings of a Scottish study published in the New
> England Journal of Medicine last November that found an increased risk of
> stillbirths and brain injury in babies if mothers tried to go through
> natural labour after delivering by caesarean for their first birth.
>
> Obstetrician and former Australian Medical Association president David
> Molloy said the rise in caesarean sections - more than 20 per cent of all
> births and as high as 25 per cent in the private sector - was due to a
> combination of factors.
>
> "Maternal requests are a very significant driver. It's also partly because
> older women are having babies (which often leads to greater complications)
> and partly because C-sections are the medico-legal gold standard," Dr
Molloy
> said.
>
> "All the big cases in court revolve around the fact you didn't do a caesar
> or didn't do one quickly enough."
>
> Dr Molloy said obstetricians were also seeing an increasing number of
> second-generation women having caesarean deliveries as a result of
> inheriting their mothers' small pelvises.
>
> "The treatment for that years ago was to say no more children, but in the
> past 40 years we have hauled those people out of trouble with a caesar and
> so they're passing on their smaller pelvis to their daughters."
>
> The study found women who had caesarean deliveries tended to be older and
> wealthier, and were more likely to suffer obstetric complications.
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:19 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Another blow for VBAC
>
>
> > This is in today's Sydney Morning Herald. No doubt this report will
> > trigger furious debate (as it should) but let's try an get the focus on
> > the first caesarean, not the possible risks with VBAC.
> >
> > These figures for first caesareans are shocking - higher that the USA!
> >
> >
http://www.smh.com.au/news/health/caesareans-lift-risks-in-later-births--study/2005/11/20/1132421548464.html

Re: [ozmidwifery] emergency skills

[Sonja & Barry]

I attended Maggie's course in July.  Reaffirms midwifery and women centred
care.  Shows how to deal with shoulder dystocia etc from a midwifes
perspective and focuses on working with women that do not have the first
intervention of bed dystocia, which, as we all know, is often the first
stage of an obstetric complication .  It may be more expensive than ALSO but
this course covers all meals and accommodation as well.  I would recommend
all midwives wanting to undertake an emergency skills course to attend this
one.
Sonja
- Original Message - 
From: "McAlpine, Joan (AHS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] emergency skills


> Hi everyone,
>
> I was just wanting to know if anyone had been to Midwifery Skills for
> Emergencies run by Birth International with Maggie Banks as the
facilitator.
> It's just that it is quite expensive ($1095) , which is dearer than the
ALSO
> course.
> Thanks,
>
> Joan
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Abby's Birth Announcement

[Sonja & Barry]

Congratulations Abby,
How wonderful and empowering for you.
Sonja
- Original Message - 
From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Abby's Birth Announcement


> HI,
>
> Sorry for the x-post, but thought I would share that thismorning at 3:46am
I
> gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Runah. After a couple of days of
> crazy prelabour and 5 hours of active labour she was birthed in warm
water,
> in my own home, into my friends hands with just her daddy, mummy and two
> friends there.
> After having a very traumatic c-section with my first daughter, this was
> truly amazing!!
> I am sore, tired and truly EMPOWERED!!
>
> Love Abby
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Strep B screening

[Sonja & Barry]

Title: Message



Nicola,
Have you asked whether you could have the 
antibiotics given via a butterfly needle rather than have a cannula, we give 
women this choice if they choose to have antibiotics.  We also give women 
the choice of reswabbing if they want as strep b is transient and may not be 
around at the time of birth.  Most women are just happy to go with the 
antibiotics and not make a choice.  It is lovely to hear you asking 
questions and challenging the system.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nicola 
  Morley 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:17 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Strep B 
  screening
  
  Can 
  I ask a personal question on this one? Last birth (January 2003, Gosford 
  Hospital Community Midwives) I was given intravenous antibiotics 
  automatically because I had been StrpB positive in the previous pregnancy. I 
  wasn't retested. I am pregnant again - will I be automatically assumed to have 
  Strep B again? will I be tested again? Is it even possible to be clear now 
  even if I have been Strep B positive in the past or am I hoping in vain to 
  avoid the treatment? It only bothers me because I like to spend a LOT of 
  labour on my hands and knees and I found the drip in my hand very 
  uncomfortable. If it is inevitable to have them again, what is the best plan 
  of action? To stay home as long as possible? To ask for the drip in my forearm 
  instead of the back of my hand? Any other suggestions. I will of course talk 
  about it with the midwives when I book in next week, but just wondering in the 
  meantime, seeing the topic has come up here!
   
  Nicola Morley
  Trainee Doula
   
  

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny 
CameronSent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:23 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Strep B 
screening
Current recommendations in Vic are to offer 
screening at 35-37 weeks per the CDC evidence. It does appear to be the best 
available evidence, far better than the risk-based approach of administering 
IV ABS to a select group of women considered to be 'at-risk'. Women 
are unlikely to change their status within a month, therefore with screening 
only those women who test GBS +ve will be offered IV ABs intrapartum to 
prevent early onset (within the first week of life) GBS pneumonia in the 
neonate. Also surface swabbing and collection of gastric asp on neonates is 
a waste of time, the baby will be sick with GBS well before the results of 
any swabs are available. Many years ago I saw a baby become ill & 
subsequently die of GBS pneumonia. The baby was term & perfectly welll 
at birth, within an hour of birth started having apnoeic attacks and four 
hours later was shocked & gravely ill. The Vic guidelines are currently 
under review but you can check the site below:
 
http://www.3centres.com.au/
 
Jenny
Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 
1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  diane 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:17 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Strep B 
  screening
  
  With respect Jenny,
  Im not sure that too many of the 
  recommendations out of the good old U.S of A could be described as 'best 
  practice'.
  Here is the NSW directive, it does however, 
  also refer to the CDC guidelines
   
  http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/policies/PD/2005/pdf/PD2005_240.pdf
   
  At our unit we do not routinely swab, we take 
  the risk factor approach,but if it appears in MSU or on a swab done for 
  other reasons we then require our women to birth at Gosford where there 
  are paediatricians they can transfer back after 24-48 hrs
  Cheers
  Di
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jenny 
Cameron 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 
4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Strep B 
screening

Curent best practice is to offer screening 
for GBS at 35-37 weeks. See site below:
 
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/groupbstrep_g.htm
 
Jenny
Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 
1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 
  6:47 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Strep B 
  screening
  
  
  I hav

[ozmidwifery] 1st visits

[Sonja & Barry]

Thankyou everyone who replied to my request on info 
for first visits.  All of it was great an I hope the powers that be are 
intelligent enough to look further than our own area health service.  
Thanks again
Sonja

[ozmidwifery] Obs first visits

[Sonja & Barry]

 
Dear all,
I am hoping for some information about 
midwifery/maternity units that don't require women to be seen by an obstetrician 
at any stage throughout their pregnancy.  Info I need is do the 
midwives listen for heart sounds etc, do they see a GP, or is this all quite 
irrelevant and thus no needs to do any of these checks?  Some places call 
this a first visit, whilst others may use these checks to "allow" women access 
to birth centres etc.  I hope this makes sense.
Regards Sonja

Re: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS

[Sonja & Barry]

I wonder does this mean that the UK SIDS & UNICEF brochure on cosleeping
safely will be withdrawn?  I never quite understood why we are supposed to
be back sleeping advocates whilst the same organisation overseas advocates
the opposite.
Sonja
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS


>
> > Revised guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics issued on
> > Monday
> > also discourage parents from sleeping with their infants at all, saying
> > babies are safer in their own cribs.
> >
>
> Aauugghh!! These kinds of statements make me sick. It's amazing our race
has survived for so long while parents and babies slept together...
before we had the 'luxury' of cots! I believe there is a reason why it is
also called 'cot death'.
>
> It annoys me so much because they don't seem to ever care about the real
research done on co-sleeping and it's amazing effects such as mothers
breathing regulating baby's breathing etc.
>
> It also annoys me how conveniently people seem to forget about
immunisations and the effect on babies respiratory system.
>
> Jumping off my soapbox now.
>
> Love Abby
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] birth centres in Australia

[Sonja & Barry]

Sally,
Camden still has a birth centre, with births at 
Campbelltown.  This will continue (I imagine) until Camden is a midwifery 
led unit  The contact numbers for Camden are (02) 46546222 for the 
antenatal clinic and (02) 46546219 for the maternity unit.  Best to use the 
maternity number after hours.
Sonja

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  sally 
  tracy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:12 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth centres in 
  Australia
  Dear allam trying to update a list of 
  birth centres or places that the midwives and women  refer to as birth 
  centres...Denise H. made a list of models of midwifery care a few years 
  ago and many of those are birth centresI'm wondering if there are any 
  more birth centres that we havent got on the list   - it would be 
  useful to have a contact number beside each one  because I would like to 
  contact each birth centre in Australia over the next couple of 
  monthsmany thanks Sally T.If you put the state , name of 
  birth centre, and contact ...would be great