RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early I decided to post that Suck This article on my site (talk about putting things in the lions den) and it started off disastrous but then, the ABA saved the day after someone sought information and the conversation is going so much better ;) Its amazing how things can be interpreted so badly, but something small can turn things around when you think they are never going to see the bigger picture! If you want to have a read (it gets a bit *itchy* LOL) you can do so here: http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=15099 it might help everyone get a bit more understanding of what works and doesnt with the whole can do attitude to breastfeeding Anyway, this is a taste of what women out there think and feel it doesnt need any elbowing or stirring, I think they are working it out on their own, and to add more fire would kill it I think! So I am leaving it up to them now. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:47 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and all Very interesting re the global perspective. What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol?? Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant remember Doesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!! When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered. Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologist http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/ Well worth a look Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Thanks. Not a lot. I sold Murdoch the rights so its not really my book - I don't make any more money out of it. I'm thinking of doing another one in the next year or so. Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR services6A/1 Mandolong Rd,Mosman NSW 2088ph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, mobile 0419 49 69 70website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Thanks Carol, It looks georgeous! I think I'll order one and check it out. I did actually send a wholesale enquiry already to the publisher. What kind of feed back have you got about the book? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Paivi, The book was published last year by Murdoch Books. It is called 'baby toddler food' you would need to speak to them if you wanted to stock it. They have a website www.murdochbooks.com. You need to go to their backlist and it is under Food for Life. Thank you, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Thanks Carol, It looks georgeous! I think I'll order one and check it out. I did actually send a wholesale enquiry already to the publisher. What kind of feed back have you got about the book? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Paivi, The book was published last year by Murdoch Books. It is called 'baby toddler food' you would need to speak to them if you wanted to stock it. They have a website www.murdochbooks.com. You need to go to their backlist and it is under Food for Life. Thank you, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
I was
curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had
solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths,
and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol
FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Introducing solids too early
Hi Kelly,
In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids
until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process
-many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s
it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle.
Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous
after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the
old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green
- it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of
the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was
introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became
'essential'.
On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian
countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and
mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge
and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious
that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is
rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to
allergies) .
Hope that's helpful
Carol Fallows
- Original Message -
From:
Päivi Laukkanen
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing
solids too early
Hi Kelly,
I can'r remember of any studies now, but the
book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one)
has interesting information how in different countries we use very different
foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been
potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but
it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I
would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready.
Päivi
- Original Message -
From:
Kelly
@ BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing
solids too early
Ive come across so many mums
who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an
article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there
was a study in the US which indicated one possible
complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or
resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find
them?
Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator,
BellyBelly.com.au
Gentle Solutions
From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth
Support -
http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Hi, I always get a giggle (in a wry sort of way) when I hear it said that the 6mnth regulations are *new*. When my eldest, now 13, was a baby, Nursing Mothers, now the Australian Breastfeeding Association, even then said introduce solids at 6mnth, in line with WHO recommendations. I was sadly harrassed into introducing solids when he was 4 mnths old by my Maternal and child health nurse. The next 2 started solids at 6mnths and probably 8mnts, by the time she got organised. We didn't get Guan til she was 10mnths, but she'd had solids since about 4 mths. They all eat are good eaters, though Zac(the eldest)was picky til he was 8 then would eat anything in the kitchen not nailed down. I remember selecting from the breakfast bar in the big Western style hotel in China, wondering what on earth Guan might eat for breakfast. The young waitress with a look on her face that indicated that westerners had no idea told me firmly that "China babies eat congee" Then chopped up a hardboiled egg into the congee (rice porridge) and srinkled a couple of teaspoons of sugar over the lot and mixed it in. Yup, China babies sure love that. BTW, has Essential Baby done anything about the medically unsubstaniated claim that probiotics in formula are of benefit to babies? Barb - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early I was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became 'essential'. On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies) . Hope that's helpful Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle
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Justine, this is a really interesting articleId like to print it but can't copy as I need to look at each page seperartly and I cant highlight it. Have you got it in print? Kate From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:47:13 +1000 Dear Carol and all Very interesting re the global perspective. What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol?? Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I can¹t remember Doesn¹t matter that most babies can¹t sit up then!! When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered. Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologist http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/ Well worth a look Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Yep I have already seen that article and had permission to reproduce it, but they only have it in PDF format, so I can't copy across the text :( Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate Andrews Sent: Friday, 9 June 2006 10:37 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Justine, this is a really interesting articleId like to print it but can't copy as I need to look at each page seperartly and I cant highlight it. Have you got it in print? Kate From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:47:13 +1000 Dear Carol and all Very interesting re the global perspective. What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol?? Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I can¹t remember Doesn¹t matter that most babies can¹t sit up then!! When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered. Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologist http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/ Well worth a look Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Paivi, The book was published last year by Murdoch Books. It is called 'baby toddler food' you would need to speak to them if you wanted to stock it. They have a website www.murdochbooks.com. You need to go to their backlist and it is under Food for Life. Thank you, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Hi Barb,
We are aware of the problem with the probiotics
ad.
Thanks,
Carol
Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135
100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969
9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au
- Original Message -
From:
Barbara
Glare Chris Bright
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:31
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing
solids too early
Hi,
I always get a giggle (in a wry sort of way) when
I hear it said that the 6mnth regulations are *new*. When my eldest, now
13, was a baby, Nursing Mothers, now the Australian Breastfeeding Association,
even then said introduce solids at 6mnth, in line with WHO
recommendations. I was sadly harrassed into introducing solids when he
was 4 mnths old by my Maternal and child health nurse. The next 2
started solids at 6mnths and probably 8mnts, by the time she got
organised. We didn't get Guan til she was
10mnths, but she'd had solids since about 4 mths. They all eat are good
eaters, though Zac(the eldest)was picky til he was 8 then would eat
anything in the kitchen not nailed down.
I remember selecting from the breakfast bar in
the big Western style hotel in China, wondering what on earth Guan might eat
for breakfast. The young waitress with a look on her face that indicated
that westerners had no idea told me firmly that "China babies eat
congee" Then chopped up a hardboiled egg into the congee (rice porridge)
and srinkled a couple of teaspoons of sugar over the lot and mixed it
in. Yup, China babies sure love that.
BTW, has Essential Baby done anything about the
medically unsubstaniated claim that probiotics in formula are of benefit to
babies?
Barb
- Original Message -
From:
Ken
Ward
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing
solids too early
I
was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest
3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at
about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try
to eat.
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol
FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Introducing solids too early
Hi Kelly,
In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto
solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow
process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until
the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on
the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became
more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go
through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny
Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to
breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not
breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why
commercial baby food became 'essential'.
On the subject of other cultures, in many
Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is
sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or
maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and
potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple
food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to
be the least likely to lead to allergies) .
Hope that's helpful
Carol Fallows
- Original Message -
From:
Päivi Laukkanen
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Introducing solids too early
Hi Kelly,
I can'r remember of any studies now, but
the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in
that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use
very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have
traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US
it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't
remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's
ready.
Päivi
- Original Message -
From:
Kelly @ BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wedn
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Excellent - when will it be addressed? :) - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Barb, We are aware of the problem with the probiotics ad. Thanks, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi, I always get a giggle (in a wry sort of way) when I hear it said that the 6mnth regulations are *new*. When my eldest, now 13, was a baby, Nursing Mothers, now the Australian Breastfeeding Association, even then said introduce solids at 6mnth, in line with WHO recommendations. I was sadly harrassed into introducing solids when he was 4 mnths old by my Maternal and child health nurse. The next 2 started solids at 6mnths and probably 8mnts, by the time she got organised. We didn't get Guan til she was 10mnths, but she'd had solids since about 4 mths. They all eat are good eaters, though Zac(the eldest)was picky til he was 8 then would eat anything in the kitchen not nailed down. I remember selecting from the breakfast bar in the big Western style hotel in China, wondering what on earth Guan might eat for breakfast. The young waitress with a look on her face that indicated that westerners had no idea told me firmly that "China babies eat congee" Then chopped up a hardboiled egg into the congee (rice porridge) and srinkled a couple of teaspoons of sugar over the lot and mixed it in. Yup, China babies sure love that. BTW, has Essential Baby done anything about the medically unsubstaniated claim that probiotics in formula are of benefit to babies? Barb - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early I was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became 'essential'. On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies) . Hope that's helpful Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first so
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Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Not sure, if this is at all, what you need, but it has some references on the bottom. Päivi http://www.lactinv.com/just_one_bottle.htm
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Thanks Päivi, I will publish it for next month, so 1st July it will be up. If you are on the mailing list you will get notified when its up. It constantly amazes me the rubbish we give our babies as first foods. Vegetables over rice cereal surely seems a logical option, and at least after 6 months! There was one woman saying she started her baby at six weeks, many at 3 months and many at 4 it astounds me. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 5:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book Rediscovering Birth by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Maureen's other book is "Food for Thought" and it is very thought-provoking. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Kelly,
In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids
until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process
-many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it
was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning
onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the
second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby
books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it
becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the
main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was
introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became
'essential'.
On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian
countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and
mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and
in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that
babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice
which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies)
.
Hope that's helpful
Carol Fallows
- Original Message -
From:
Päivi Laukkanen
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing
solids too early
Hi Kelly,
I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book
"Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has
interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods
to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato
and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs
a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get
a copy of your article, when it's ready.
Päivi
- Original Message -
From:
Kelly @
BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing
solids too early
Ive come across so many mums
who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an
article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there
was a study in the US which indicated one possible
complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or
resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find
them?
Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator,
BellyBelly.com.au
Gentle Solutions
From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth
Support -
http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and all Very interesting re the global perspective. What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol?? Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant remember Doesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!! When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered. Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologist http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/ Well worth a look Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early thanks for the link, what an excellent article Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine CainesSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:17 PMTo: OzMid ListSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
[ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Some other invalid reasons for deciding to introduce solids earlier than six months from my experience are 1. The pressure to get a baby to sleep through the night. If I feed the baby solids I will fill him/her up and he won't wake at night! Sleep deprivation contributes to this decision. 2. Baby was watching me eat therefore he wants some??!!! 3. BF more often at around that age ? due to a growth spurt .therefore I mustn't have enough milk and the baby wants more than I can give! Helen - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1582 (20060606) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
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Its just getting ridiculous the ages these mums are pushing the food thing. I just hope they read it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 11:22 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Some other invalid reasons for deciding to introduce solids earlier than six months from my experience are 1. The pressure to get a baby to sleep through the night. If I feed the baby solids I will fill him/her up and he won't wake at night! Sleep deprivation contributes to this decision. 2. Baby was watching me eat therefore he wants some??!!! 3. BF more often at around that age ? due to a growth spurt .therefore I mustn't have enough milk and the baby wants more than I can give! Helen - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1582 (20060606) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Yep, that will be fine. Just don't use it holus bolus without permission. And feel free to link to the ABA page Barb - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Thanks Barb, I wasnt sure if I was able to reference it or not, as I have asked for info before and told I had to pay for it, but if I am able to reference some information that would be great. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris BrightSent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 1:18 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early The Australian Breastfeeding Association website www.breastfeeding.asn.au would be a fabulous place to start. And their outstanding booklet"Introducing Solids" Their research is always completely *spot on* Barb - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
