RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Completely respect everyone's decision to become educated in whichever way they feel best for them...but I stand by my conviction that midwifery needs to stand alone. Mental health nursing is exactly that, a specialty within nursing, we are not midwifery nurses, and so I think we need to be specific about that in our legislation, our education, and our profession. I'm a 'nurse/midwife' too, but bring on the separate register, as I see myself as a midwife, and will happily only register as such (I'm actually a mental health trained nurse too, but will happily not register as such when I can). In the meantime, I'll continue to register with a board that is largely irrelevant to my work, and belong to a union (the only one that will represent me) that belongs to a profession I don't work in. That's how it is at the moment, but things will change... Cheers Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 8:44 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: (Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa i also have no disrespect for anyone wanting to do midwifery either way. However i firmly belive that by doing the one year reg nurse course it assists in topping up for want of a better word the mid qualification not to mention that nursing degree goes into more detail some aspects that mid does not. although i am doing the one year degree for nursing i do not envisage ever having to use that degree so i look at it the other way in that iam hanging my nursing degree on a midwifery degree. not the other way around. there are many great de midwives that the university have graduated and mid has and is comming into its own as a stand alone profession as it should rightly so do however if you want to build upon your knowledge and do mental health which in my opinion is a assistance toward midwifery you cannot do this unless you have the magical rn degree as well. in all as midwives we need to be open minded in acceptance of what other people choose to continue their educaton with, i consider myself to be a midwife first then a nurse , when i get my degree. cheers sharon - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa With you all the way on this one Jennifairy... If midwifery is EVER going to come out of the shadow of nursing, and stand up and be counted as a profession in it's own right, we need to stop the one year cross over from nursing to midwifery altogether. No disrespect to all my wonderful nurse/midwife friends and colleagues - I am one too! I just see that we need to move away from making midwifery a tack on thing from nursing, as it has always been seen (that extra 'certificate' for you to hang your hat on...) and welcome nurses, Drs, dentists, florists, vets, chiropractors, and anyone else who wants to be a part of this sterling profession, with the same open arms. That way, we can be Midwives, and choose to become nurses later if that turns us on too, but do the extra time there to, to give that profession the respect it so rightfully deserves, as a completely separate profession in it's own right too... Just my thoughts... Tania RM in private practice -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifairy Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 6:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa sharon wrote: thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon Yeah, personal preference again. I did the 3 year BMid in SA, if Id *had* to do the extra year to add nursing I prolly would have looked elsewhere (or written even more letters to have it changed). The problem with a 'double degree' is that it serves to maintain the fallacy that midwifery is not a distinct profession, that nursing has to be in there somewhere. If we are going to have double degrees with midwifery involved then I would prefer the 'other' degree was political science, or business studies, or something that teaches one how to set up sustainable community structures. Something that moves midwifery out of the mindset of a sub-species of nursing, anyway. Just my thorts cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer -- Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus
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Change! Yes they will Tania and If I'm still alive I would love to be an industrial officer in the Australian Midwives Union (as that is my background!!) I agree wholeheartedly with what you say JC xx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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sharon wrote: thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon Yeah, personal preference again. I did the 3 year BMid in SA, if Id *had* to do the extra year to add nursing I prolly would have looked elsewhere (or written even more letters to have it changed). The problem with a 'double degree' is that it serves to maintain the fallacy that midwifery is not a distinct profession, that nursing has to be in there somewhere. If we are going to have double degrees with midwifery involved then I would prefer the 'other' degree was political science, or business studies, or something that teaches one how to set up sustainable community structures. Something that moves midwifery out of the mindset of a sub-species of nursing, anyway. Just my thorts cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer -- Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
With you all the way on this one Jennifairy... If midwifery is EVER going to come out of the shadow of nursing, and stand up and be counted as a profession in it's own right, we need to stop the one year cross over from nursing to midwifery altogether. No disrespect to all my wonderful nurse/midwife friends and colleagues - I am one too! I just see that we need to move away from making midwifery a tack on thing from nursing, as it has always been seen (that extra 'certificate' for you to hang your hat on...) and welcome nurses, Drs, dentists, florists, vets, chiropractors, and anyone else who wants to be a part of this sterling profession, with the same open arms. That way, we can be Midwives, and choose to become nurses later if that turns us on too, but do the extra time there to, to give that profession the respect it so rightfully deserves, as a completely separate profession in it's own right too... Just my thoughts... Tania RM in private practice -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifairy Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 6:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa sharon wrote: thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon Yeah, personal preference again. I did the 3 year BMid in SA, if Id *had* to do the extra year to add nursing I prolly would have looked elsewhere (or written even more letters to have it changed). The problem with a 'double degree' is that it serves to maintain the fallacy that midwifery is not a distinct profession, that nursing has to be in there somewhere. If we are going to have double degrees with midwifery involved then I would prefer the 'other' degree was political science, or business studies, or something that teaches one how to set up sustainable community structures. Something that moves midwifery out of the mindset of a sub-species of nursing, anyway. Just my thorts cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer -- Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Socialogoly or anthropology would also be good for mid practice. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifairy Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 6:33 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa sharon wrote: thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon Yeah, personal preference again. I did the 3 year BMid in SA, if Id *had* to do the extra year to add nursing I prolly would have looked elsewhere (or written even more letters to have it changed). The problem with a 'double degree' is that it serves to maintain the fallacy that midwifery is not a distinct profession, that nursing has to be in there somewhere. If we are going to have double degrees with midwifery involved then I would prefer the 'other' degree was political science, or business studies, or something that teaches one how to set up sustainable community structures. Something that moves midwifery out of the mindset of a sub-species of nursing, anyway. Just my thorts cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer -- Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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i also have no disrespect for anyone wanting to do midwifery either way. However i firmly belive that by doing the one year reg nurse course it assists in topping up for want of a better word the mid qualification not to mention that nursing degree goes into more detail some aspects that mid does not. although i am doing the one year degree for nursing i do not envisage ever having to use that degree so i look at it the other way in that iam hanging my nursing degree on a midwifery degree. not the other way around. there are many great de midwives that the university have graduated and mid has and is comming into its own as a stand alone profession as it should rightly so do however if you want to build upon your knowledge and do mental health which in my opinion is a assistance toward midwifery you cannot do this unless you have the magical rn degree as well. in all as midwives we need to be open minded in acceptance of what other people choose to continue their educaton with, i consider myself to be a midwife first then a nurse , when i get my degree. cheers sharon - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa With you all the way on this one Jennifairy... If midwifery is EVER going to come out of the shadow of nursing, and stand up and be counted as a profession in it's own right, we need to stop the one year cross over from nursing to midwifery altogether. No disrespect to all my wonderful nurse/midwife friends and colleagues - I am one too! I just see that we need to move away from making midwifery a tack on thing from nursing, as it has always been seen (that extra 'certificate' for you to hang your hat on...) and welcome nurses, Drs, dentists, florists, vets, chiropractors, and anyone else who wants to be a part of this sterling profession, with the same open arms. That way, we can be Midwives, and choose to become nurses later if that turns us on too, but do the extra time there to, to give that profession the respect it so rightfully deserves, as a completely separate profession in it's own right too... Just my thoughts... Tania RM in private practice -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifairy Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 6:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa sharon wrote: thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon Yeah, personal preference again. I did the 3 year BMid in SA, if Id *had* to do the extra year to add nursing I prolly would have looked elsewhere (or written even more letters to have it changed). The problem with a 'double degree' is that it serves to maintain the fallacy that midwifery is not a distinct profession, that nursing has to be in there somewhere. If we are going to have double degrees with midwifery involved then I would prefer the 'other' degree was political science, or business studies, or something that teaches one how to set up sustainable community structures. Something that moves midwifery out of the mindset of a sub-species of nursing, anyway. Just my thorts cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women's Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer -- Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 12/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be
RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting
Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa
thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Nic and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure
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Thankyou Nicole - the person who this info is for doesn't want to do nursing as well as Mid... perhaps in a few years? Jo On 12/04/2006, at 5:06 PM, Nic and Dale wrote: Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/ pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position
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Hi Sharon, Where are you doing your nursing? I have done three year mid also. reg, elizabeth - Original Message - From: sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Nic and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From
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unis sa city east - Original Message - From: ELIZABETH KOSZTYI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Hi Sharon, Where are you doing your nursing? I have done three year mid also. reg, elizabeth - Original Message - From: sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa thats right i have done three year mid and now doing one yar nursing over 2 years while working as a reg midwife so i have a double degree. i belive that it should be 4 years and finish with a double degree. regards sharon - Original Message - From: Nic and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa Unfortunately there is no DEM course in WA as yet. They were trying to bring in a double degree (BMid/BNursing) based on La Trobe's curriculum, beginning this year, but they couldn't find placements for 25 students apparently. Very disappointing! It was going to be run through Edith Cowan Uni. Guess I will have to keep plodding my way through my nursing course and do my mid post-grad as it doesn't look like anything will happen anytime soon. Will let you know of any new developments. FYI, Carol Thorogood is the one to speak to at ECU regarding the double degree. Sharon, the BMid at UniSA is a 3 year course, though you can do another year to also get BNursing I believe. Kind Regards Nicole Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 4:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] de midwife course in wa hi i think that there is one through curtan uni it started last year. there is a course in adelaide now running for 4 years. Melbourne and Sydney. regards sharon, prev de student - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards
