Re: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-04 Thread Vernon at Stringybark

Vicki,

thanks for sharing this with us all.  I think this is a very good motto for
much more than breastfeeding!  a pity more women can't hear this said in a
supportive way for the whole business of giving birth and parenting!

well done for making such a difference to women within the system

regards Barb.  

 From: Vicki Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Organization: Women of Spirit
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:53:57 -0700
 To: 'ozmidwifery' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article
 
 
 Recently I was sitting at the desk at the private maternity unit where I
 am working a little (my shift was over and I was catching up with the
 dreaded paperwork...I cant keep up! 12 years since I worked in a
 hospital...'waddayamean I have to think about more than one woman at a
 time???) when along comes one of the fathers... A midwife asks him
 'how's things?' They had been experiencing very challenging
 breastfeeding problems... Oh, great! says the Dad...No worries
 Surprised, the midwife questioned further and the father replied they'd
 been fine since She! pointing at me had looked after them. something
 she said changed everything!'
 
 Everyone looked up, eager to know what this gem of wisdom I had shared
 was. Uh Oh thinks me. I had relayed a story of a woman I had spoked to a
 week or so before hand...
 
 I was about to go home when a bell rang from one of the rooms... I did
 not know the woman but  noone else was available so I went in. The woman
 was in tears...'Can you help me? I cant get him on the breast
 properly..Is that where his top lip should be? I cant see his tongue. I
 don't know if his mouth is wide enough..should I sit up or lie
 down...?? I said to her gently Where are you from and she answered
 'PNG'...I asked her is she remembered seeing the women in PNG feed their
 babies and she said 'Yes' I asked her if she could visualize and she
 said Yes...With her eyes closed she saw a large group of women sitting
 around all with babes at the breast. I asked her 'Are they looking at
 the babies?' No 'Are they concerned where the lip ofr the tongue or
 anything else for that matter is?' No...they're just talking and
 laughing I said...'Listen..just forget all that white man shit and let
 the baby do its thing' She replyed with 'Ooooh...the baby's on! He's
 feeding' 
 
 I tell you things at the desk stopped still for a moment as this father
 tells all... Oh, she told us just to forget all that white man shit and
 get on and do what we please...we've been fine ever since'
 
 Vicki
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Macha
 McDonald
 Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:28 AM
 To: ozmidwifery
 Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article
 
 
 As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over) emphasis on technique
 and latch, although it is important, is very confusing.  When I had my
 daughter, in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a different
 idea about what I was meant to be doing.  Confusion is not the word.  My
 mind was in chaos!!! This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to
 me.  So much for the 10 steps!!!  Also, their LCs were very limited in
 their advice.  For low supply, I was told on more than 10 different
 occasions over 3 months to just keep expressing.  I agree with the baby
 friendly initiative, but seeing it 1st hand, I dont think its working.
 Some staff are just not committed enough.  Friends and family who are
 also recent consumers have sited that the MCHN and midwifes in hospital
 (rural VIC) told them their milk did not have enough nutrients in it,
 and that it wasnt strong enough.  I think the whole situation is worse
 than we think, and I am surprised that anyone is breastfeeding at all,
 considering the current climatein my humble opinion!!! Regards,
 Macha.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnston
 Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM
 To: ozmidwifery
 Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article
 
 
 Dear Liz
 While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I
 have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about
 your statement :  The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed
 at developing countries whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease
 through contaminated water, incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
 This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe
 it's wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI
 set-up.  I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the
 underlying principles wholeheartedly.
 
 I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not
 implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external
 assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process.
 This has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily
 in Australia too because

RE: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-03 Thread Macha McDonald

Im not sure who the MCH nurse was, but she operates in the Berrigan area
(actually rural NSW - my mistake)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo Zoch
Sent: Monday, 3 June 2002 10:46 AM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: Re: Melbourne's Child article


Can I ask where in rural Vic did you get that 'advice' from? That's just
scary.  Many women have asked me if their milk is good enough for their baby
becuase they just 'keep eating' in hospital.  I do my best to quash that
idea as soon as I can, but it is hard to convince women not to worry, when
they think their baby isn't getting enough food.  They are worried about
their baby, and they need to see it be full and sleep for a few hours before
waking for more food.  Women need to be better educated about what to expect
from a newborn regarding feeding.  Given this, women DO decide to formula
feed based on the length of time a baby might sleep between feeds :(

Jo

- Original Message -
From: Macha McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


 As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over) emphasis on technique and
 latch, although it is important, is very confusing.  When I had my
daughter,
 in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a different idea about what
I
 was meant to be doing.  Confusion is not the word.  My mind was in
chaos!!!
 This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to me.  So much for the 10
 steps!!!  Also, their LCs were very limited in their advice.  For low
 supply, I was told on more than 10 different occasions over 3 months to
just
 keep expressing.  I agree with the baby friendly initiative, but seeing it
 1st hand, I dont think its working.  Some staff are just not committed
 enough.  Friends and family who are also recent consumers have sited that
 the MCHN and midwifes in hospital (rural VIC) told them their milk did not
 have enough nutrients in it, and that it wasnt strong enough.  I think the
 whole situation is worse than we think, and I am surprised that anyone is
 breastfeeding at all, considering the current climatein my humble
 opinion!!!
 Regards, Macha.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnston
 Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM
 To: ozmidwifery
 Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


 Dear Liz
 While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I
 have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about
 your statement :
 
 The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed at developing
countries
 whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease through contaminated
water,
 incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
 This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe
it's
 wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI set-up.
  I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the underlying
 principles wholeheartedly.

 I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not
 implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external
 assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process.  This
 has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily in
 Australia too because they are not breastfed.  The reasons for failure of
 breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding, but the
drop-off
 rates are alarming) are many.  There is reliable evidence that practices
 which have for many years been common in maternity services across the
 developed world, such as separation of mother and baby, timing of feeds,
 use of artificial supplements, use of dummies and teats, advertising of
 alternatives to breastfeeding ... all contribute to early weaning.  These
 are the issues that are dealt with in the global Baby Friendly Hospital
 Initiative.  Sally's comments about babies who are brought into this world
 doped up to their eyeballs in narcotics are also relevant here. These
 babies and their mothers require special skilled support, and it can all
be
 done within the baby friendly process. There's nothing daunting, or
 excessively focused on technique in the baby friendly initiative that I
 know about.  (I'm a realist - not everyone gets it right all the time, but
 that's life!)

 Finally, we all agree that most mothers, most of the time, want what's
best
 for their babies.  Midwives who seek to provide woman centred care will do
 all that they can to support the mother-baby bond, working with the
natural
 process, and only interfering when we have a good reason.  That's being
 mother-friendly too.

 Protecting, promoting and supporting breastfeeding doesn't come easily.
  There are many deterrents in our society.  Our work should be underpinned
 by reliable evidence, and I would ask anyone who knows of evidence
contrary
 to the BFHI '10 steps' to speak up now

RE: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-03 Thread Sally Williams


YAAAY! Vicki.

Love Sally



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RE: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-02 Thread Johnston

Dear Liz
While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I 
have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about 
your statement :

The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed at developing countries 
whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease through contaminated water, 
incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe it's 
wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI set-up. 
 I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the underlying 
principles wholeheartedly.

I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not 
implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external 
assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process.  This 
has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily in 
Australia too because they are not breastfed.  The reasons for failure of 
breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding, but the drop-off 
rates are alarming) are many.  There is reliable evidence that practices 
which have for many years been common in maternity services across the 
developed world, such as separation of mother and baby, timing of feeds, 
use of artificial supplements, use of dummies and teats, advertising of 
alternatives to breastfeeding ... all contribute to early weaning.  These 
are the issues that are dealt with in the global Baby Friendly Hospital 
Initiative.  Sally's comments about babies who are brought into this world 
doped up to their eyeballs in narcotics are also relevant here. These 
babies and their mothers require special skilled support, and it can all be 
done within the baby friendly process. There's nothing daunting, or 
excessively focused on technique in the baby friendly initiative that I 
know about.  (I'm a realist - not everyone gets it right all the time, but 
that's life!)

Finally, we all agree that most mothers, most of the time, want what's best 
for their babies.  Midwives who seek to provide woman centred care will do 
all that they can to support the mother-baby bond, working with the natural 
process, and only interfering when we have a good reason.  That's being 
mother-friendly too.

Protecting, promoting and supporting breastfeeding doesn't come easily. 
 There are many deterrents in our society.  Our work should be underpinned 
by reliable evidence, and I would ask anyone who knows of evidence contrary 
to the BFHI '10 steps' to speak up now.

With my best wishes
Joy Johnston



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RE: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-02 Thread Macha McDonald

As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over) emphasis on technique and
latch, although it is important, is very confusing.  When I had my daughter,
in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a different idea about what I
was meant to be doing.  Confusion is not the word.  My mind was in chaos!!!
This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to me.  So much for the 10
steps!!!  Also, their LCs were very limited in their advice.  For low
supply, I was told on more than 10 different occasions over 3 months to just
keep expressing.  I agree with the baby friendly initiative, but seeing it
1st hand, I dont think its working.  Some staff are just not committed
enough.  Friends and family who are also recent consumers have sited that
the MCHN and midwifes in hospital (rural VIC) told them their milk did not
have enough nutrients in it, and that it wasnt strong enough.  I think the
whole situation is worse than we think, and I am surprised that anyone is
breastfeeding at all, considering the current climatein my humble
opinion!!!
Regards, Macha.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnston
Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


Dear Liz
While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I
have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about
your statement :

The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed at developing countries
whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease through contaminated water,
incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe it's
wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI set-up.
 I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the underlying
principles wholeheartedly.

I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not
implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external
assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process.  This
has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily in
Australia too because they are not breastfed.  The reasons for failure of
breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding, but the drop-off
rates are alarming) are many.  There is reliable evidence that practices
which have for many years been common in maternity services across the
developed world, such as separation of mother and baby, timing of feeds,
use of artificial supplements, use of dummies and teats, advertising of
alternatives to breastfeeding ... all contribute to early weaning.  These
are the issues that are dealt with in the global Baby Friendly Hospital
Initiative.  Sally's comments about babies who are brought into this world
doped up to their eyeballs in narcotics are also relevant here. These
babies and their mothers require special skilled support, and it can all be
done within the baby friendly process. There's nothing daunting, or
excessively focused on technique in the baby friendly initiative that I
know about.  (I'm a realist - not everyone gets it right all the time, but
that's life!)

Finally, we all agree that most mothers, most of the time, want what's best
for their babies.  Midwives who seek to provide woman centred care will do
all that they can to support the mother-baby bond, working with the natural
process, and only interfering when we have a good reason.  That's being
mother-friendly too.

Protecting, promoting and supporting breastfeeding doesn't come easily.
 There are many deterrents in our society.  Our work should be underpinned
by reliable evidence, and I would ask anyone who knows of evidence contrary
to the BFHI '10 steps' to speak up now.

With my best wishes
Joy Johnston



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RE: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-02 Thread louise johnson

Macha
What about contacting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
about a hospital that's supposed to be Baby Friendly
accredited.
Louise


--- Macha McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over)
 emphasis on technique and
 latch, although it is important, is very confusing. 
 When I had my daughter,
 in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a
 different idea about what I
 was meant to be doing.  Confusion is not the word. 
 My mind was in chaos!!!
 This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to
 me.  So much for the 10
 steps!!!  Also, their LCs were very limited in their
 advice.  For low
 supply, I was told on more than 10 different
 occasions over 3 months to just
 keep expressing.  I agree with the baby friendly
 initiative, but seeing it
 1st hand, I dont think its working.  Some staff are
 just not committed
 enough.  Friends and family who are also recent
 consumers have sited that
 the MCHN and midwifes in hospital (rural VIC) told
 them their milk did not
 have enough nutrients in it, and that it wasnt
 strong enough.  I think the
 whole situation is worse than we think, and I am
 surprised that anyone is
 breastfeeding at all, considering the current
 climatein my humble
 opinion!!!
 Regards, Macha.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Johnston
 Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM
 To: ozmidwifery
 Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article
 
 
 Dear Liz
 While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the
 discussion on this, and I
 have seen the article in question, I feel I need to
 make a comment about
 your statement :
 
 The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed
 at developing countries
 whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease
 through contaminated water,
 incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
 This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me
 greatly - I believe it's
 wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the
 national BFHI set-up.
  I am not actively involved in it now, but I support
 the underlying
 principles wholeheartedly.
 
 I know of no reason why every maternity service in
 Australia should not
 implement the '10 steps to successful
 breastfeeding', and seek external
 assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital
 accreditation process.  This
 has very little to do with dirty water - babies die
 unnecessarily in
 Australia too because they are not breastfed.  The
 reasons for failure of
 breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate
 breastfeeding, but the drop-off
 rates are alarming) are many.  There is reliable
 evidence that practices
 which have for many years been common in maternity
 services across the
 developed world, such as separation of mother and
 baby, timing of feeds,
 use of artificial supplements, use of dummies and
 teats, advertising of
 alternatives to breastfeeding ... all contribute to
 early weaning.  These
 are the issues that are dealt with in the global
 Baby Friendly Hospital
 Initiative.  Sally's comments about babies who are
 brought into this world
 doped up to their eyeballs in narcotics are also
 relevant here. These
 babies and their mothers require special skilled
 support, and it can all be
 done within the baby friendly process. There's
 nothing daunting, or
 excessively focused on technique in the baby
 friendly initiative that I
 know about.  (I'm a realist - not everyone gets it
 right all the time, but
 that's life!)
 
 Finally, we all agree that most mothers, most of the
 time, want what's best
 for their babies.  Midwives who seek to provide
 woman centred care will do
 all that they can to support the mother-baby bond,
 working with the natural
 process, and only interfering when we have a good
 reason.  That's being
 mother-friendly too.
 
 Protecting, promoting and supporting breastfeeding
 doesn't come easily.
  There are many deterrents in our society.  Our work
 should be underpinned
 by reliable evidence, and I would ask anyone who
 knows of evidence contrary
 to the BFHI '10 steps' to speak up now.
 
 With my best wishes
 Joy Johnston
 
 
 
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Re: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-02 Thread Jo Zoch

Can I ask where in rural Vic did you get that 'advice' from? That's just
scary.  Many women have asked me if their milk is good enough for their baby
becuase they just 'keep eating' in hospital.  I do my best to quash that
idea as soon as I can, but it is hard to convince women not to worry, when
they think their baby isn't getting enough food.  They are worried about
their baby, and they need to see it be full and sleep for a few hours before
waking for more food.  Women need to be better educated about what to expect
from a newborn regarding feeding.  Given this, women DO decide to formula
feed based on the length of time a baby might sleep between feeds :(

Jo

- Original Message -
From: Macha McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


 As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over) emphasis on technique and
 latch, although it is important, is very confusing.  When I had my
daughter,
 in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a different idea about what
I
 was meant to be doing.  Confusion is not the word.  My mind was in
chaos!!!
 This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to me.  So much for the 10
 steps!!!  Also, their LCs were very limited in their advice.  For low
 supply, I was told on more than 10 different occasions over 3 months to
just
 keep expressing.  I agree with the baby friendly initiative, but seeing it
 1st hand, I dont think its working.  Some staff are just not committed
 enough.  Friends and family who are also recent consumers have sited that
 the MCHN and midwifes in hospital (rural VIC) told them their milk did not
 have enough nutrients in it, and that it wasnt strong enough.  I think the
 whole situation is worse than we think, and I am surprised that anyone is
 breastfeeding at all, considering the current climatein my humble
 opinion!!!
 Regards, Macha.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnston
 Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM
 To: ozmidwifery
 Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


 Dear Liz
 While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I
 have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about
 your statement :
 
 The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed at developing
countries
 whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease through contaminated
water,
 incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
 This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe
it's
 wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI set-up.
  I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the underlying
 principles wholeheartedly.

 I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not
 implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external
 assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process.  This
 has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily in
 Australia too because they are not breastfed.  The reasons for failure of
 breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding, but the
drop-off
 rates are alarming) are many.  There is reliable evidence that practices
 which have for many years been common in maternity services across the
 developed world, such as separation of mother and baby, timing of feeds,
 use of artificial supplements, use of dummies and teats, advertising of
 alternatives to breastfeeding ... all contribute to early weaning.  These
 are the issues that are dealt with in the global Baby Friendly Hospital
 Initiative.  Sally's comments about babies who are brought into this world
 doped up to their eyeballs in narcotics are also relevant here. These
 babies and their mothers require special skilled support, and it can all
be
 done within the baby friendly process. There's nothing daunting, or
 excessively focused on technique in the baby friendly initiative that I
 know about.  (I'm a realist - not everyone gets it right all the time, but
 that's life!)

 Finally, we all agree that most mothers, most of the time, want what's
best
 for their babies.  Midwives who seek to provide woman centred care will do
 all that they can to support the mother-baby bond, working with the
natural
 process, and only interfering when we have a good reason.  That's being
 mother-friendly too.

 Protecting, promoting and supporting breastfeeding doesn't come easily.
  There are many deterrents in our society.  Our work should be underpinned
 by reliable evidence, and I would ask anyone who knows of evidence
contrary
 to the BFHI '10 steps' to speak up now.

 With my best wishes
 Joy Johnston



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RE: Melbourne's Child article

2002-06-02 Thread Vicki Chan


Recently I was sitting at the desk at the private maternity unit where I
am working a little (my shift was over and I was catching up with the
dreaded paperwork...I cant keep up! 12 years since I worked in a
hospital...'waddayamean I have to think about more than one woman at a
time???) when along comes one of the fathers... A midwife asks him
'how's things?' They had been experiencing very challenging
breastfeeding problems... Oh, great! says the Dad...No worries
Surprised, the midwife questioned further and the father replied they'd
been fine since She! pointing at me had looked after them. something
she said changed everything!'

Everyone looked up, eager to know what this gem of wisdom I had shared
was. Uh Oh thinks me. I had relayed a story of a woman I had spoked to a
week or so before hand...

I was about to go home when a bell rang from one of the rooms... I did
not know the woman but  noone else was available so I went in. The woman
was in tears...'Can you help me? I cant get him on the breast
properly..Is that where his top lip should be? I cant see his tongue. I
don't know if his mouth is wide enough..should I sit up or lie
down...?? I said to her gently Where are you from and she answered
'PNG'...I asked her is she remembered seeing the women in PNG feed their
babies and she said 'Yes' I asked her if she could visualize and she
said Yes...With her eyes closed she saw a large group of women sitting
around all with babes at the breast. I asked her 'Are they looking at
the babies?' No 'Are they concerned where the lip ofr the tongue or
anything else for that matter is?' No...they're just talking and
laughing I said...'Listen..just forget all that white man shit and let
the baby do its thing' She replyed with 'Ooooh...the baby's on! He's
feeding' 

I tell you things at the desk stopped still for a moment as this father
tells all... Oh, she told us just to forget all that white man shit and
get on and do what we please...we've been fine ever since'

Vicki
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Macha
McDonald
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:28 AM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


As a recent consumer, I can say that the (over) emphasis on technique
and latch, although it is important, is very confusing.  When I had my
daughter, in a baby friendly hospital, every midwife had a different
idea about what I was meant to be doing.  Confusion is not the word.  My
mind was in chaos!!! This baby friendly hospital recommended formula to
me.  So much for the 10 steps!!!  Also, their LCs were very limited in
their advice.  For low supply, I was told on more than 10 different
occasions over 3 months to just keep expressing.  I agree with the baby
friendly initiative, but seeing it 1st hand, I dont think its working.
Some staff are just not committed enough.  Friends and family who are
also recent consumers have sited that the MCHN and midwifes in hospital
(rural VIC) told them their milk did not have enough nutrients in it,
and that it wasnt strong enough.  I think the whole situation is worse
than we think, and I am surprised that anyone is breastfeeding at all,
considering the current climatein my humble opinion!!! Regards,
Macha.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnston
Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 8:04 PM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: RE: Melbourne's Child article


Dear Liz
While I agree wholeheartedly with most of the discussion on this, and I
have seen the article in question, I feel I need to make a comment about
your statement :  The 'baby friendly initiative' I believe, was aimed
at developing countries whose children were dying of diarrhoeal disease
through contaminated water, incorrect formula and lack of hygiene. 
This is a not uncommon response, and it worries me greatly - I believe
it's wrong.  I was involved in both the Victorian and the national BFHI
set-up.  I am not actively involved in it now, but I support the
underlying principles wholeheartedly.

I know of no reason why every maternity service in Australia should not
implement the '10 steps to successful breastfeeding', and seek external
assessment through the Baby Friendly Hospital accreditation process.
This has very little to do with dirty water - babies die unnecessarily
in Australia too because they are not breastfed.  The reasons for
failure of breastfeeding (most are willing to initiate breastfeeding,
but the drop-off rates are alarming) are many.  There is reliable
evidence that practices which have for many years been common in
maternity services across the developed world, such as separation of
mother and baby, timing of feeds, use of artificial supplements, use of
dummies and teats, advertising of alternatives to breastfeeding ... all
contribute to early weaning.  These are the issues that are dealt with
in the global Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative.  Sally's comments about
babies who