Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Hi, Have you checked the Australian Breastfeeding Association's Lactation Resource centre? Their number is (03) 9885 0855. Also, write up your case studies and send them to the LRC. They have guidelines available. This is helpful to those who come after you. Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Thanks Sandra. I am surprised that there is no research on this as I have heard it recommended for years and have done so (recommended) myself. However, since it actually was a practice in the 50's and 60's and possibly the 70's as preparation of the breasts for breastfeeding along with nipple massage etc.. there actually seems to be a wealth of articles descrying (sp.) the idea. Just goes to prove it all keeps going around. Of course this isn't antenatal expressing for GDM mum's just antenatal expressing in general. You'd all be suprised at what does come up for antenatal expression but I actually wont go there... check it out yourself!! marilyn - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Great study but not looking at what I am trying to find some research for. Does anyone have a copy of this article in The Practising Midwife 2001: Antenatal expression of colostrum. Pract Midwife. 2001 Apr;4(4):32-5. Review. No abstract available. PMID: 12026613 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] - I would send a stamped self addressed envelope for a copy. thanks marilyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message - From: mh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm They're not assigned to BF or AF. Just that if they're BF an d for some reason change their mind at any time during the (I think) 1st year, or use a comp etc, they use the one supplied which is unidentified (I think). You can look it up if you google TRiGR. I heard an inservice on it which didn't sound at all unethical. They are trying to promote BF but the fact of the metter is that in the real world the majority of mothers do comp with something at least once during their breastfeeding experience and many do wean to a bottle and formula. It is these they are trying to catch. Monica - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Unfortunately, they seem to be signing people up before they have their babies, to be in a RCT between cow's milk and non-cow's milk based formulas. A bit dodgy ethically to me! Does anyone else know more about this? Nicole C - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Thanks Sandra. I am surprised that there is no research on this as I have heard it recommended for years and have done so (recommended) myself. However, since it actually was a practice in the 50's and 60's and possibly the 70's as preparation of the breasts for breastfeeding along with nipple massage etc.. there actually seems to be a wealth of articles descrying (sp.) the idea. Just goes to prove it all keeps going around. Of course this isn't antenatal expressing for GDM mum's just antenatal expressing in general. You'd all be suprised at what does come up for antenatal expression but I actually wont go there... check it out yourself!! marilyn - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
They're not assigned to BF or AF. Just that if they're BF an d for some reason change their mind at any time during the (I think) 1st year, or use a comp etc, they use the one supplied which is unidentified (I think). You can look it up if you google TRiGR. I heard an inservice on it which didn't sound at all unethical. They are trying to promote BF but the fact of the metter is that in the real world the majority of mothers do comp with something at least once during their breastfeeding experience and many do wean to a bottle and formula. It is these they are trying to catch. Monica - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Unfortunately, they seem to be signing people up before they have their babies, to be in a RCT between cow's milk and non-cow's milk based formulas. A bit dodgy ethically to me! Does anyone else know more about this? Nicole C - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
This is the TRiGR trial; it's multi centred, co-ordinated from I think Norway- a Scandinavian country anyhow. We are participating where I work though we haven't had any mothers come through yet. It sounds really fascinating but it's a 10 year follow up so no good looking for immediate information. Monica - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Unfortunately, they seem to be signing people up before they have their babies, to be in a RCT between cow's milk and non-cow's milk based formulas. A bit dodgy ethically to me! Does anyone else know more about this? Nicole C - Original Message - From: Sandra J. Eales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Marilyn There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a bit of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes if they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on the news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping to follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done though. Sandra - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group for BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just wondering if there was some that I had missed. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
Hi Marilyn I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out there on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is kinda natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a good thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are giving newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence to prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see that ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own colostrum. All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put a mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find plenty out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and transport their milk safely when the time comes. There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can stabilise the newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of birthing. I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and natural while practices using what is detrimental to birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying First, do no harm! - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no harm!! Cheers Denise *** Denise Fisher Health e-Learning http://www.health-e-learning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
