Re: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???EU
0ccxddD Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Sebenzile Mlaza sebenzi...@raf.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:20:04 To: 'payco@googlegroups.com'payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? First of all, let me clear the air and state my political credentials in the party and get that out of the way as quickly as possibly as I can. I have none and never been to exile and neither do I have any political ambitions whatsoever to occupy any politically positing in whatever capacity at this moment and in fact even too young to claim any. I thus find this unnecessary self-aggrandizement uncalled for, to say the least, for at no stage have I ever thought you (Happy) nor Narius as political neophytes of my own doing. There was in fact no need of you to even suggest that you speak from informed basis (sic). I suppose the hogwash and gibberish that was posted by Narius yesterday and today is meant to be some form of political education to younger members of this forum. The fact of the matter is that Mphahlele and his committee have no 'locoas standi' to act or interfere in the affairs of the PAC as in terms of the Western Cape High Court ruling under Case Number 12174/2008 (in the matter between Motsoko Pheko v Letlapa Mphahlele Others) that the constitution that was adopted at the Fort Hare congress held on the 04th - 06th July 2008, in terms of which Letlapa Mphahlele was subsequently elected president is null and void and therefore rendering the leadership of Letlapa Mphahlele and others elected in terms of the aforesaid constitution illegitimate. And this cannot be ignored it has to be sorted out once and for all. My thoughts stands corrigible on this one as the original logo has been materially altered and to have them corrected is to completely refute that the word AZANIA has not been unceremoniously removed from the logo albeit with no mandate. Fact is, the word AZANIA has been removed from the logo, suppose you've all properly read page ten of this gazette. Izwe Lethu ... i-Afrika... From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 09 February 2011 02:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu _ From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu . i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3431 - Release Date: 02/08/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
I'll provide you an appropriate surrejonder befitting your stature, for now you may proceed and blow your own little horn as usual. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 09 February 2011 02:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu ... i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3431 - Release Date: 02/08/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
I don't have a horn.talk later. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 09 February 2011 02:26 PM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? I'll provide you an appropriate surrejonder befitting your stature, for now you may proceed and blow your own little horn as usual. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 09 February 2011 02:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu _ From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu . i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3431 - Release Date: 02/08/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http
Re: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
Dear MaAfrika Indeed it is true that we should exercise the highest level of organsational discipline when dealing with questions of Party Line.It is the PAC mission to totally transform this country.One of our goals is to rename this country Azania. It is based on this factor that the SMS doing the rounds becomes baseless.It is in fact a cog in the wheel of rumour mongering.The PAC is facing the upcoming local elections and it would be prudent for us to refocus our energies on the programme. The rise of Azania is the fall of South Africa!This is the rallying cry that the structures ,members and leadership of the PAC under the current president Letlapa Mphahlele espouse.Let us desist from cheap political point scoring. Regards Hloni From: Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 4:15:56 AM Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? If you are a paidup member of the pac,serving in the structure of the party and understanding organisational discipline and protocol you should know who mandated the president. From:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff’s meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don’t just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boerleaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are – COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu … i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
First of all, let me clear the air and state my political credentials in the party and get that out of the way as quickly as possibly as I can. I have none and never been to exile and neither do I have any political ambitions whatsoever to occupy any politically positing in whatever capacity at this moment and in fact even too young to claim any. I thus find this unnecessary self-aggrandizement uncalled for, to say the least, for at no stage have I ever thought you (Happy) nor Narius as political neophytes of my own doing. There was in fact no need of you to even suggest that you speak from informed basis (sic). I suppose the hogwash and gibberish that was posted by Narius yesterday and today is meant to be some form of political education to younger members of this forum. The fact of the matter is that Mphahlele and his committee have no 'locoas standi' to act or interfere in the affairs of the PAC as in terms of the Western Cape High Court ruling under Case Number 12174/2008 (in the matter between Motsoko Pheko v Letlapa Mphahlele Others) that the constitution that was adopted at the Fort Hare congress held on the 04th - 06th July 2008, in terms of which Letlapa Mphahlele was subsequently elected president is null and void and therefore rendering the leadership of Letlapa Mphahlele and others elected in terms of the aforesaid constitution illegitimate. And this cannot be ignored it has to be sorted out once and for all. My thoughts stands corrigible on this one as the original logo has been materially altered and to have them corrected is to completely refute that the word AZANIA has not been unceremoniously removed from the logo albeit with no mandate. Fact is, the word AZANIA has been removed from the logo, suppose you've all properly read page ten of this gazette. Izwe Lethu ... i-Afrika... From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 09 February 2011 02:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dzumbu Mmbara Sent: 09 February 2011 12:48 PM To: PAYCO Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? MuAfurika Narius, Regardless of what the President proposed to change; a question which has been bothering me is that where did the President or whosoever approached the IEC get the mandate to change details of the PAC with the IEC? What was the process? I will appreciate your attention to that question and believe your response will provide clarity to members of the party and this forum in general. Shango Lashu, Dzumbu From: g...@bcawu.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:56:03 +0200 It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved
Re: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
Greetings noble sons and daughters of the soil. PAYCO Google group remains the only viable tool for PAC of Azania members and Africanists to conference regularly, and this platform will continue to inform and educate as long as there are still progressive forces in the PAC of Azania. It's a known fact that some of those who claim to love the PAC of Azania hate this platform with passion, unfortunately to them PAYCO googlegroup is here to stay insults or no insults, misinforming or informing. As a young cadre in the organisation I am expecting comrades who might have joined the PAC of Azania before me to guide, give direction, inform and provide correct ideological grounding to us young cadres. However reading comment from the likes of MoAfrika Narius Moloto, someone gets the contrary. Noble son Narius Moloto, each and every time you comment on PAYCO googlegroup your submissions are very thin in content and lack substance at all. You made a lot of hullabaloo when this subject of name change was brought up; you even called it dirty propaganda. But to my amusement and to a lot of members of this platform if you go to the government gazette which you referred people to, there is indeed a motion to fiddle with the patent of the PAC of Azania. No one shall wakeup from his/her dreamland and decided to play with the history of our forefathers. As long as there are still progressive forces within the PAC of Azania your evil deeds are deemed to fail. PAC of Azania is not a private company whereby the owner or the board of the company can do as they like; PAC of Azania remains a revolutionary party not the liberal party you are intending to turn it into. I would like to make a humble plea to you and your like minded man people to refrain from misleading and misinforming sober members of this platform, your comment are not doing any good as they are just exposing your ignorance and stupidity to a certain extend. May you please do the honourable thing and protect the rights of the African construction members who are continuously exploited under your nose, because it's clear that you are anticipating that the PAC of Azania can be a one man show and a ticket to self enrichment with your cohorts. It's people like you who are continuously derailing the growth of our beloved party, because you add no value except hallucinating day in and day out. Your sheer arrogance and personal aggrandizement will never grow this party! Izwe Lethu!! Lucky On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Sebenzile Mlaza sebenzi...@raf.co.zawrote: First of all, let me clear the air and state my political credentials in the party and get that out of the way as quickly as possibly as I can. I have none and never been to exile and neither do I have any political ambitions whatsoever to occupy any politically positing in whatever capacity at this moment and in fact even too young to claim any. I thus find this unnecessary self-aggrandizement uncalled for, to say the least, for at no stage have I ever thought you (Happy) nor Narius as political neophytes of my own doing. There was in fact no need of you to even suggest that *you speak from informed basis (sic)*. I suppose the hogwash and gibberish that was posted by Narius yesterday and today is meant to be some form of political education to younger members of this forum. The fact of the matter is that Mphahlele and his committee have no ‘* locoas* *standi’* to act or interfere in the affairs of the PAC as in terms of the *Western Cape High Court ruling under Case Number 12174/2008 (in the matter between Motsoko Pheko v Letlapa Mphahlele Others) that the constitution that was adopted at the Fort Hare congress held on the 04th – 06th July 2008, in terms of which Letlapa Mphahlele was subsequently elected president is null and void and therefore rendering the leadership of Letlapa Mphahlele and others elected in terms of the aforesaid constitution illegitimate*. And this cannot be ignored it has to be sorted out once and for all. My thoughts stands corrigible on this one as the original logo has been materially altered and to have them corrected is to completely refute that the word AZANIA has not been unceremoniously removed from the logo albeit with no mandate. Fact is, the word AZANIA has been removed from the logo, suppose you've all properly read page ten of this gazette. Izwe Lethu ... i-Afrika... *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Narius Moloto *Sent:* 09 February 2011 02:09 PM *To:* payco@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? We need to clear lies and their intentions.this platform and cetain smses were spreading wrong and misleading information about the name change.let us agree this are the agents whos intention is to sow confusion and arnachy. *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Dzumbu
RE: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA???
It is a dirty propanda and lies.the pac president did not change the name of the organisation.go and buy the gorverment garzet and stop propagating rubbish. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: 07 February 2011 10:05 AM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: [PAYCO] PACOSA OR PAC OF AZANIA??? Revolutionary greetings all, PACOSA equals Pan African Congress of South Africa, that is how the redundant acronym would be if megalomaniac Letlapa gets his way, sounding like a name of a students organization concocted by a bunch of politically disoriented sophomores. This cannot be an organ of Africanists when the marrow is sapped out of the bone where the name Azania is located. This will render professor Boshoff's meticulous research on the name Azania without cartilage, work of a compradorial ex-soldier-cum-unwanted presiding president. Because of a matrimony of convenience entered into at The World Trade Centre in Kempton Park between the ruling party and the white racist oppressor, the constitutional acceptance of the geographical position of our country for a name will be always berated by Africanists and BCMA supporters collectively. That is why we are not taken aback by the bastardization of our National Anthem, it is one of the results of that marriage. Names don't just fall like manna from heaven, they have their root cause. We can hear dead boer leaders, Andries Pretorius, Piet and Marais concur in their infernal graves whom cities like Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg or Maritzburg are named after. The PAC of Azania is not 99 years younger, its ideals are as old as the continent itself, the continent known as Ophir in the Hebrew Bible. All African Congress of South Africans, that is what Letlapa and his lackeys redundant name will suggest, a congress of delusional cadres trying to board a train that has since moved and left the platform. Their byzantine ruse to ruin the PAC befit them to be named what they really are - COMPRADORES, and indeed unengaging compradores on issues on national importance. We dare those who do not agree to throw their rebuttals into the fray. Izwe Lethu . i-Afrika!! Zibonele Zondo Sebenzile Mlaza. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/06/11 21:34:00 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
