Re: listen to music in surround sound
And the theater I go to has it! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862
Re: listen to music in surround sound
Well it's probably a bit like it. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:41 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound What you're doing is pretty much the sort of thing a modern day DSP is capable of in a Surround-Sound system so try this when you get a moment. Get one of those old time radio shows and play it on your Surround-Sound system but set the mode to Mono Movie or similar, try different modes and see what happens or - depending on your system - you can adjust the effect levels to your need. On 27 May 2014, at 1:35 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well Tom, one thing I did, I collected old-time radio tapes for several years during the 80's. I used a graphics equalizer at the time, and I created a stereo effect by puttinng one voice on the left channel by raising the left lever, and for the other person, I raised the right lever to give that effect, and it amazed me when listening to it later, even though I knew what I had done. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:21 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound That's pretty much the case yes, On 27 May 2014, at 12:10 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: Okay...I'll jump in on this; please understand I don't claim to know a whole lot about it, but if one is listening to music in surround sound (and it wasn't originally produced that way) isn't this a little like trying to listen to music in stereo that wasn't recorded that way:? Believe me, I've heard music that was re-enhanced for stereo; for the most part, it just don't get it for me! I love stereo, but all too often, I've heard music that was, shall we say re-channeled (for lack of a better term) to make it _sound_ like it's in stereo; it just doesn't work! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound To me, listening to music in surround sound doesn't sound simulated at all. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm
Re: listen to music in surround sound
I go to a movie every week, because the theater I go to has audio described movies. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Believe it or not, I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater to see a movie! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax
Re: listen to music in surround sound
My only other advice is as follows. When you buy your Surround-Sound, also buy the biggest case of beer you can find, invite guests around, get them all drunk and then you'll all enjoy what comes out of the speakers no matter the quality, no matter the material smile. On 27 May 2014, at 6:10 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I go to a movie every week, because the theater I go to has audio described movies. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Believe it or not, I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater to see a movie! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
I love surround for films where you've got things happening all around you (the battle scenes in Star Wars for example), but for music I find it a bit pointless; I don't go to a concert and sit on the stage. For general listening I stick with stereo. On the other hand, listen in mono and it sounds good where-ever you are in the room! :-) -- rgds LAurence ...A book worth banning is a book worth reading ---Taglines by Tagzilla (tagzilla.mozdev.org)
Re: listen to music in surround sound
Well apparently there are enough people who like it. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:02 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound My only other advice is as follows. When you buy your Surround-Sound, also buy the biggest case of beer you can find, invite guests around, get them all drunk and then you'll all enjoy what comes out of the speakers no matter the quality, no matter the material smile. On 27 May 2014, at 6:10 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I go to a movie every week, because the theater I go to has audio described movies. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Believe it or not, I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater to see a movie! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Ah you're funny Dain. I know some could go , harsh. But I sind it funny. Not as mad funny as the last thing what ever it was, but funny none the less. Ah you crack me up man. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:02 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound My only other advice is as follows. When you buy your Surround-Sound, also buy the biggest case of beer you can find, invite guests around, get them all drunk and then you'll all enjoy what comes out of the speakers no matter the quality, no matter the material smile. On 27 May 2014, at 6:10 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I go to a movie every week, because the theater I go to has audio described movies. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Believe it or not, I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater to see a movie! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Cool man. I doubt the theater here in Danbury has it. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:10 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I go to a movie every week, because the theater I go to has audio described movies. - Original Message - From: Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Believe it or not, I can't remember the last time I went to a movie theater to see a movie! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:10 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I'd be quite surprised if you've never heard surround-sound before, I'm sure you've been to a movie theatre? On 27 May 2014, at 1:06 pm, Tom Kaufman tomca...@comcast.net wrote: I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
This is a good point, however, I was in a band in high school, and there was nothing like being in the middle of that experience. - Original Message - From: Laurence Taylor g7...@btopenworld.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:31 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I love surround for films where you've got things happening all around you (the battle scenes in Star Wars for example), but for music I find it a bit pointless; I don't go to a concert and sit on the stage. For general listening I stick with stereo. On the other hand, listen in mono and it sounds good where-ever you are in the room! :-) -- rgds LAurence ...A book worth banning is a book worth reading ---Taglines by Tagzilla (tagzilla.mozdev.org)
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Real surround sound with 5 speakers around your head with 5 tracks of audio let's say all assigned to each one like Dain pointed out is epic! The sound bar stuff or the exagurated stereo these things do and even things like my companion 5 speakers or the Bose 3 speaker systems do ain't that cool. It's interesting sure, it's cool how the sounds really spread out sure, but nothing beats a real 5.1 or 77.1 system around your head. Dolby Atmos would be even more epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:06 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan
RE: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Epic man! It sounds real chrisp. Real clear. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Its one of the best sounding Bose products I've heard - not to mention one of the best sounding portable speaker systems I have -. On 28 May 2014, at 12:07 am, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Epic man! It sounds real chrisp. Real clear. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
how much does this unit cost. as to surround sound, i have heard the real thing with the 7.1 or higher configs of pure true surround sound and the quality is outstanding. granted systems like that would cost a bunch of money to achieve the quality that can be produced. On 5/27/2014 10:42 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Its one of the best sounding Bose products I've heard - not to mention one of the best sounding portable speaker systems I have -. On 28 May 2014, at 12:07 am, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Epic man! It sounds real chrisp. Real clear. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Been a while since I checked but I think the Bose Soundlink Air is around $350? Mary may be able to confirm or deny that. I've had mine for 9 months now and I know prices have changed. The battery is an extra option still as far as I know. On 28 May 2014, at 1:50 am, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote: how much does this unit cost. as to surround sound, i have heard the real thing with the 7.1 or higher configs of pure true surround sound and the quality is outstanding. granted systems like that would cost a bunch of money to achieve the quality that can be produced. On 5/27/2014 10:42 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Its one of the best sounding Bose products I've heard - not to mention one of the best sounding portable speaker systems I have -. On 28 May 2014, at 12:07 am, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Epic man! It sounds real chrisp. Real clear. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Yes, it is $349 at amazon, but they're claiming it has been superceded by a different device that I mentioned in a message yesterday. sound touch or something like that. And that is a very different sounding device. More complicated. Mary
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
is the sound touch accessible? On 5/27/2014 11:32 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Yes, it is $349 at amazon, but they're claiming it has been superceded by a different device that I mentioned in a message yesterday. sound touch or something like that. And that is a very different sounding device. More complicated. Mary
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Firstly the Soundtouch comes in 3 different versions, the portable is something like the Soundlink Air in that you can stream to it using Airplay, this part looks easy enough to set up. The other functionality of the Soundtouch could be a problem, you can use your Computer to stream your music library to the Soundtouch over your network however you need the Soundtouch Software to do this. I've not had a look at the Windows PC or the Mac versions but when I last looked the IOS version wasn't too accessible? Perhaps this may have changed as its been a while since I've looked. The Soundlink Air - in Australia at least - is still available. On 28 May 2014, at 3:07 am, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote: is the sound touch accessible? On 5/27/2014 11:32 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Yes, it is $349 at amazon, but they're claiming it has been superceded by a different device that I mentioned in a message yesterday. sound touch or something like that. And that is a very different sounding device. More complicated. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: listen to music in surround sound
But what about the Bose Lifestyle stuff you were talking about? How does that compare to true epic surround sound? - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Real surround sound with 5 speakers around your head with 5 tracks of audio let's say all assigned to each one like Dain pointed out is epic! The sound bar stuff or the exagurated stereo these things do and even things like my companion 5 speakers or the Bose 3 speaker systems do ain't that cool. It's interesting sure, it's cool how the sounds really spread out sure, but nothing beats a real 5.1 or 77.1 system around your head. Dolby Atmos would be even more epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:06 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
I have an Onkyo surround which is 7.1, but I only have 5 speakers, but with my prologic 2 position, my 5.1 speakers sound like 7.1 in that position. I tried DTS on a TV show one time, and it sounded like everyone was under water. No more of that. This is a digital. I had a Pioneer, but it was analog. I switched to digital because digital is supposed to be better. - Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air how much does this unit cost. as to surround sound, i have heard the real thing with the 7.1 or higher configs of pure true surround sound and the quality is outstanding. granted systems like that would cost a bunch of money to achieve the quality that can be produced. On 5/27/2014 10:42 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Its one of the best sounding Bose products I've heard - not to mention one of the best sounding portable speaker systems I have -. On 28 May 2014, at 12:07 am, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Epic man! It sounds real chrisp. Real clear. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
RE: listen to music in surround sound
That is a true surround sound system. The lifestyle V35 is an actual 5.1 surround sound system. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound But what about the Bose Lifestyle stuff you were talking about? How does that compare to true epic surround sound? - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Real surround sound with 5 speakers around your head with 5 tracks of audio let's say all assigned to each one like Dain pointed out is epic! The sound bar stuff or the exagurated stereo these things do and even things like my companion 5 speakers or the Bose 3 speaker systems do ain't that cool. It's interesting sure, it's cool how the sounds really spread out sure, but nothing beats a real 5.1 or 77.1 system around your head. Dolby Atmos would be even more epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:06 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in
RE: listen to music in surround sound
So yeah, it isn't 7.1 which is a shame, but it is a real system. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound But what about the Bose Lifestyle stuff you were talking about? How does that compare to true epic surround sound? - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Real surround sound with 5 speakers around your head with 5 tracks of audio let's say all assigned to each one like Dain pointed out is epic! The sound bar stuff or the exagurated stereo these things do and even things like my companion 5 speakers or the Bose 3 speaker systems do ain't that cool. It's interesting sure, it's cool how the sounds really spread out sure, but nothing beats a real 5.1 or 77.1 system around your head. Dolby Atmos would be even more epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:06 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the
RE: listen to music in surrround sound
Matt, that is exactally what some of the Dolby, Logic and Pro Logic digital signal processing are supposed to simulate; and for the most part they do a pretty lousy job. Frank -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound Hi, Folks. Another point: not all music is formatted to be actually surround-sound playable. For example, you may have a surround-sound system, but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels. Matthew Chao At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone
Re: Really strange problem with winamp 5.07
Hi, Here is the official answer about this from Gracenote. Very sad, but 100 % reliable. Best regards Brian Hello Brian, Thank you for writing. The music lookup function on your Winamp application is not working because the software developer unfortunately has not renewed their license to use the Gracenote music recognition service, and their license term has now expired. I found their forum page, which confirms this information: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=377496 If you would like to continue accessing Gracenote's music recognition service, you can look around. Other popular licensed applications include iTunes and products by Sony, Creative, Samsung, Roxio and many others. Some applications are freeware and some are commercial, and you can go to the software developer's own web site for more information or to download. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Sonia Gracenote Support Gracenote, Inc. -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Tom Kaufman Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:34 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Really strange problem with winamp 5.07 I was afraid it was something like this! I haven't tried to play a CD in Winamp, so may just try it on my end and see what it does! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Aune Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 7:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Really strange problem with winamp 5.07 Gracenotes, the company that used to provide that information to winamp, was sold to another group. Therefore, none of the tagging features in Winamp work any more. I don't see this being fixed any time soon. Tim -Original Message- From: Brian Olesen Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:31 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Really strange problem with winamp 5.07 Hi list, I’m writing for a friend do have winamp and he uses version 5.07. Until now it has presented the cd tracks fine, when he inserted a cd in the drive. But this functionality has stopped working. Now Jaws only says Artist unknown, Album unknown and so on. Any help will be highly apreciated. He don’t wanna upgrade to the latest version as it has some issues. For example it recognises all external drives as a portable music player and wants to add them, which is annoying. Best regards Brian
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
I think the Sl air is still available from Amazon, but am not sure. I did get side tracked in to checking out the other system, then decided to just stick with the bluetooth, since it is useful when not at home and with non i-devices. Mary
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Dane and all, I see the argument both ways. Many people prefer the way surround sound envelopes the listener. However some folks prefer the way stereo replicates the way most music was intended to sound. There is always a hybrid as well. We have a small den in the lower level of our house. I used a few odds and ends to be able to stream music )via airplay) from my iPhone or iPad. I have output from an airport express plumbed into an old Audio Source amp with four speaker outputs. Two on the left side channel and two on the right side channel. With two speaks in front of me and two behind it does a reasonably good job at enveloping the listener in sound given the small room size but it is still just 2 channel stereo. I was playing some old Kiss songs on it yesterday and you can really hear the stereo effects they used when one channel is playing then the other comes in. I think the lead guitar was on one channel and the bass and drums came in on the other. Frank -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:59 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that way. - Original Message - From: John Gurd j.g...@ntlworld.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with Bours Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more great albums haven't been done this way. I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. John -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound I'm sure nobody. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound And who has said that it wasn't? On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in stereo or Mono. On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it
RE: listen to music in surround sound
Mary, ah now there is the difference. Most of were talking about commercially available music recordings which by nature are stereo and no matter what signal processing goes on are still meant to be a stereo recording. A concert hall is a much different experience. I once had a high end Harmon-Kardon a/v receiver with several different concert hall DSP options. With a 5.1 surround system it was quite the effect. However not being into that type of thing myself I didn't go that route when I moved to this house. Frank -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:22 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary
RE: listen to music in surround sound
This is true. I remember listening to an interview with an audio engineer who was describing recording a boys choir in a cathedral in England. He said they used 35 microphones but ultimately once it was mixed into a stereo recording it just didn't compare to what it would sound like live. Frank -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless there is some magic happening in the background, ala the Carver holography. I have been impressed with Polk Audio in the past and also with the Magna planar speakers, which I really wanted in the worst way. Talk about 3-dimensional sound! But the listening environment demanded by that set up is not one that your average guy or gal can manage. That's why I' m intrigued by sound bars and various digital signal processing techniques. I want to simulate the concert hall experience in my living-room. And 2 speakers will never do that. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
Hi! Are there still surround sound headphones? /A 26 maj 2014 kl. 08:54 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Hi! Wow! That sounded really nice. Its to much for my budget now but i guess i will buy some of these sooner or later. /A 27 maj 2014 kl. 05:08 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Jbl speakers.
Hi! Sadly amazon does not have the soundlink mini. But i have another query. On the apple store they have a lot of jbl speakers. They have one for 500 swedish crowns. They seem pritty neat. BUt also they seem to have a lot more airplay stuff. What do you think about jbl? I haven't heard any yet. /A
Re: listen to music in surround sound
Sounds good. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound That is a true surround sound system. The lifestyle V35 is an actual 5.1 surround sound system. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound But what about the Bose Lifestyle stuff you were talking about? How does that compare to true epic surround sound? - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Real surround sound with 5 speakers around your head with 5 tracks of audio let's say all assigned to each one like Dain pointed out is epic! The sound bar stuff or the exagurated stereo these things do and even things like my companion 5 speakers or the Bose 3 speaker systems do ain't that cool. It's interesting sure, it's cool how the sounds really spread out sure, but nothing beats a real 5.1 or 77.1 system around your head. Dolby Atmos would be even more epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:06 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc, there is no way you get anything approaching a concert hall experience with two stereo speakers, unless
Re: listen to music in surround sound
I just don't have room as yet for 7.1, but I think it's about as good, with that prologic 2 setting. It sounds so much better than just Prologic. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound So yeah, it isn't 7.1 which is a shame, but it is a real system. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound But what about the Bose Lifestyle stuff you were talking about? How does that compare to true epic surround sound? - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:01 AM Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound Real surround sound with 5 speakers around your head with 5 tracks of audio let's say all assigned to each one like Dain pointed out is epic! The sound bar stuff or the exagurated stereo these things do and even things like my companion 5 speakers or the Bose 3 speaker systems do ain't that cool. It's interesting sure, it's cool how the sounds really spread out sure, but nothing beats a real 5.1 or 77.1 system around your head. Dolby Atmos would be even more epic! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kaufman Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:06 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound I must confess that I've never to this day heard surround-sound; in some ways, I'd like to hear what it sounds like; aw but then I'd probably want it and it's just not practical in this house! It might be that someday I'll investigate getting a sound bar for the TV in the living room; that should help some as it's _got_ to sound better than the sound I get from the TV now; not that it's absolutely terrible or anything like that; my major complaint is that the sound tends to make the television vibrate; that's annoying! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound Even so, music for the most part is not recorded to take advantage of the concert hall effect, even on our classical stations here its just recorded in plain old fashioned stereo and I ought to know smile. On 27 May 2014, at 12:38 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, of course, the audio source is on the stage, which is in front of you. But your living-room does not come close to approximating the dimensions of even a small concert hall. So that's where the dsp and magic of multiple speakers comes in. I don't pretend to know how they do it. But I know that even my old ADS analog time delay system did wonderous things for lps of classical music. It came a lot closer to the concert hall experience than just a two-channel set up in my living-room. Mary On Tue, 27 May 2014 12:30:11 +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote: What you say about the concert hall is right however, in a concert hall the audio is usually in the front of you, that's where the stage is as far as I'm away so that's where the audio usually comes from. The same applies when listening in stereo, the speakers are usually in front of you for good stereo listening. The old analogue Surround-Sound? I still have my original Denon AVR2000 which supported all the Quad modes for front left-right and rear left-right but for the most part the recordings made were not true surround-sound or quad back then, some sort of DSP was needed to decode the source to generate the effect. We've progressed to the point where each channel - in true Surround-Sound or Quad mode - has its own path to each speaker which was unheard of say 20 years ago. If you look at the more expensive Surround-Sound receivers you may even see direct analogue connections for each channel, the cheaper receivers use the HDMI connection to decode each channel digitally. I have a whole heap of CD'S - SACD, Quad and Video Audio - which make full use of the direct channel paths, the Quad CD'S I did myself, I mastered them from Quad Carts - the old 8 track cartridges, versions of them came out that used a track for each channel in the quad recording -. On 27 May 2014, at 12:21 pm, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't had the ability to listen in surround sound for a long time. Indeed, most of my experience was with an analog system years ago, made by ADS. And it was awesome. I also had the Carver sonic holography unit, which was good, but not as good as the ads, which actually required two speakers in the rear. The thing is, if you like classical music, full orchestra etc,
Re: listen to music in surrround sound
But to me, it sounds better, especially with the Prologic 2.0. - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:06 PM Subject: RE: listen to music in surrround sound Matt, that is exactally what some of the Dolby, Logic and Pro Logic digital signal processing are supposed to simulate; and for the most part they do a pretty lousy job. Frank -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:57 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound Hi, Folks. Another point: not all music is formatted to be actually surround-sound playable. For example, you may have a surround-sound system, but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels. Matthew Chao At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote: Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in surroundsound. On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
I liked the Bose Soundlink demonstration. It was good; however, it wouldn't probably give you the same effect, unless you tried one out for yourself, which it would then begin to shine. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 Hi! Are there still surround sound headphones? /A 26 maj 2014 kl. 08:54 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Jbl speakers.
Well I don't have JBL's, but I do have the Infinity Beta series speakers. Infinity and JBL are both products of Harmon Technologies. I think that for my money, they sound pretty good. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:00 PM Subject: Jbl speakers. Hi! Sadly amazon does not have the soundlink mini. But i have another query. On the apple store they have a lot of jbl speakers. They have one for 500 swedish crowns. They seem pritty neat. BUt also they seem to have a lot more airplay stuff. What do you think about jbl? I haven't heard any yet. /A
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Okay I'd like to clarify one point if I may. The Bose Soundlink Air can be used when you're not at home as you put it, you can still connect it to your Wi-Fi network of your IOS device. On 28 May 2014, at 5:25 am, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: I think the Sl air is still available from Amazon, but am not sure. I did get side tracked in to checking out the other system, then decided to just stick with the bluetooth, since it is useful when not at home and with non i-devices. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Yep know the feeling, had to wait a few months before I could get my system smile. On 28 May 2014, at 6:35 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Wow! That sounded really nice. Its to much for my budget now but i guess i will buy some of these sooner or later. /A 27 maj 2014 kl. 05:08 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: As requested. This sample was taken from Sky.Fm's Up Tempo Smooth Jazz Channel using the Sky.FM App for IOS, I then used AirPlay on the iPhone to stream the content from the iPhone to the Bose Soundlink Air and this is the result. I've made the sample available in 2 formats as follows. Flac https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.flac MP3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Soundlink%20Air%20Sample.mp3 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may still be uploading to Dropbox. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Jbl speakers.
Hi! I have had 2 JBL speaker systems in my time, I had a JBL OnBeat Air and a JBL beat, I thought the OnBeat Air was the best of the 2 sets but I don't think any of these models are available any more. JBL have a name in the business as do Bowers Wilkins etc. I hope you find your shopping experience at the Apple Store as worth while as I did, there have been occasions where products I've bought from Apple have been faulty, when reported to the Apple Store they went out of their way to send out a replacement for the faulty product and collect the item in need of repair, no questions asked so I have no hesitation in saying that the service I've received from the Apple Store has been absolutely first class. On 28 May 2014, at 7:00 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Sadly amazon does not have the soundlink mini. But i have another query. On the apple store they have a lot of jbl speakers. They have one for 500 swedish crowns. They seem pritty neat. BUt also they seem to have a lot more airplay stuff. What do you think about jbl? I haven't heard any yet. /A ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
Unreal smile That's why the recording was made, to demo the unit. The recording was made with microphones in an x-y pattern so the effect of sitting in front of the unit could be recorded, after comments like this you have to wonder whether some people would be far better off with a mono radio. On 28 May 2014, at 8:43 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I liked the Bose Soundlink demonstration. It was good; however, it wouldn't probably give you the same effect, unless you tried one out for yourself, which it would then begin to shine. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 Hi! Are there still surround sound headphones? /A 26 maj 2014 kl. 08:54 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
I think you misunderstand. I thought that the sound was good. I could hear separation listening to it. I really appreciated this. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 Unreal smile That's why the recording was made, to demo the unit. The recording was made with microphones in an x-y pattern so the effect of sitting in front of the unit could be recorded, after comments like this you have to wonder whether some people would be far better off with a mono radio. On 28 May 2014, at 8:43 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I liked the Bose Soundlink demonstration. It was good; however, it wouldn't probably give you the same effect, unless you tried one out for yourself, which it would then begin to shine. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 Hi! Are there still surround sound headphones? /A 26 maj 2014 kl. 08:54 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter:
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
I didn't think it was meant as a criticism. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my comments. If I was wrong, help me out. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 Unreal smile That's why the recording was made, to demo the unit. The recording was made with microphones in an x-y pattern so the effect of sitting in front of the unit could be recorded, after comments like this you have to wonder whether some people would be far better off with a mono radio. On 28 May 2014, at 8:43 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I liked the Bose Soundlink demonstration. It was good; however, it wouldn't probably give you the same effect, unless you tried one out for yourself, which it would then begin to shine. - Original Message - From: Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 Hi! Are there still surround sound headphones? /A 26 maj 2014 kl. 08:54 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think audiophiles would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers. - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case. The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was. On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth it. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300. I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room. So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Jbl speakers.
Amazon in the States has the soundlink mini. I guess amazon is different depending on the country where you live. Mary
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
Well, that assumes you are in wifi range. We sometimes go camping and stay in cabins without wifi, so no wifi. Mary
Article: Hands on: Australian Chromecast
As other list members may know, I've had one of these devices now for a month or so, its one of those which was imported from the U.S., I've been very happy with the results and performance the little Chromecast Dongle delivers, very easy to set up and so forth. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/gadgets-on-the-go/hands-on-australian-chromecast-20140528-zrq75.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Sample Of Bose Soundlink Air
You can use the Soundlink Air without a Wi-Fi Home network, that might be a better way of putting it, all you need is either a Wi-Fi connect on your device - say your iPhone - or you can use the Aux-In socket. Anyway if you hold down the Wi-Fi/Reset button for 4 seconds the Soundlink Air turns on its own Wi-fi Network, you can then join this with your iPhone or whatever and Stream Away!. On 28 May 2014, at 10:35 am, Mary Otten maryot...@comcast.net wrote: Well, that assumes you are in wifi range. We sometimes go camping and stay in cabins without wifi, so no wifi. Mary ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
No problem, perhaps I should have explained how I did the recording and why, it was done purely for the benefit of those who couldn't get to stand in front of this device in the shop, actually come to think of it I reckon you probably would have heard better from my recording than you would have in a shop, what with background noise and God only knows what else smile. On 28 May 2014, at 10:30 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I didn't think it was meant as a criticism. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my comments. If I was wrong, help me out. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: Bose Soundlink 3
Well thanks for the demonstration. All this really is to say is that there are many different opinions, and they're not the same. If I may disagree with anyone, it's with respect. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 No problem, perhaps I should have explained how I did the recording and why, it was done purely for the benefit of those who couldn't get to stand in front of this device in the shop, actually come to think of it I reckon you probably would have heard better from my recording than you would have in a shop, what with background noise and God only knows what else smile. On 28 May 2014, at 10:30 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote: I didn't think it was meant as a criticism. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my comments. If I was wrong, help me out. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
