Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Hi Donald, You're perfectly right. The problem is. We kno the songs in their original shape, and from the beginning it was meant to sound that way. When we remove noise we make the sound too steril for the time being. It's like when a photographer wants to share a special moment an evening in a pop by the river. Such a picture needs to be a little bit dull. If you turn on the cleaning lights then you won't get the right expression of the whole feeling in the situation. When the viewer was there they could see no dust or bad looking furniture, but they could feel a good intence carma in the room, which would disappear if all the lights are turned on. The same with old recordings. Then things will come up front that you didn't notice before, and don't want to notice at all in that particular musical experience. Like a bad reverb for instance, which you couldn't hear before because of the high noise floor. But it's a totolly other storry with a really noisy old audio book. Here it would be wonderful to clear up the vocal, so the words are easier to understand. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Donald L. Roberts Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I do not claim to be knowledgeable regarding noise reduction. However, most of the time I have dealt with old recordings which have been subjected to noise reduction software, there are almost no highs whatsoever. I am thinking of a lot of big band and vocal recordings made on 78s during the 30s and 40s, and yes I know that the modulating frequencies were seldom more than 5000 cycles. But I have heard a number of those recordings on the original vinyl and later heard those same recordings after going through noise reduction procedures, and the resulting sound is so bland that I would much prefer the originals, complete with hiss and a few pops. As stated earlier, I haven't played with this stuff much, so I am not bashing. I am just suggesting that good sound is an extremely subjective thing. Don Roberts On 2/9/2013 12:25 PM, Brian Olesen wrote: Hi, the noise remover in Audacity is far better. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Curtis Delzer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 5:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition auto noise capture in sound forge is great, and then the trick is to get it to lower the defaults to more than one of the saved configurations to more than 12.5 DB. You can totally get rid of cassette noise, for example, at about -40 DB or so, any more than that and it starts to make the typical NR swishy sounds which are not desirable. At 08:19 AM 12/04/12, you wrote: In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
auto noise capture in sound forge is great, and then the trick is to get it to lower the defaults to more than one of the saved configurations to more than 12.5 DB. You can totally get rid of cassette noise, for example, at about -40 DB or so, any more than that and it starts to make the typical NR swishy sounds which are not desirable. At 08:19 AM 12/04/12, you wrote: In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Hi, the noise remover in Audacity is far better. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Curtis Delzer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 5:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition auto noise capture in sound forge is great, and then the trick is to get it to lower the defaults to more than one of the saved configurations to more than 12.5 DB. You can totally get rid of cassette noise, for example, at about -40 DB or so, any more than that and it starts to make the typical NR swishy sounds which are not desirable. At 08:19 AM 12/04/12, you wrote: In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
I do not claim to be knowledgeable regarding noise reduction. However, most of the time I have dealt with old recordings which have been subjected to noise reduction software, there are almost no highs whatsoever. I am thinking of a lot of big band and vocal recordings made on 78s during the 30s and 40s, and yes I know that the modulating frequencies were seldom more than 5000 cycles. But I have heard a number of those recordings on the original vinyl and later heard those same recordings after going through noise reduction procedures, and the resulting sound is so bland that I would much prefer the originals, complete with hiss and a few pops. As stated earlier, I haven't played with this stuff much, so I am not bashing. I am just suggesting that good sound is an extremely subjective thing. Don Roberts On 2/9/2013 12:25 PM, Brian Olesen wrote: Hi, the noise remover in Audacity is far better. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Curtis Delzer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 5:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition auto noise capture in sound forge is great, and then the trick is to get it to lower the defaults to more than one of the saved configurations to more than 12.5 DB. You can totally get rid of cassette noise, for example, at about -40 DB or so, any more than that and it starts to make the typical NR swishy sounds which are not desirable. At 08:19 AM 12/04/12, you wrote: In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Don, There are at least two things that can happen with noise reduction. First, some noise reduction algorithms do cause a loss of high frequencies. The noise reduction in Sound Forge actually has an option to add highs back, but one could do the same with an equalizer. However, hiss, itself, can make a recording sound brighter. I have heard examples where the sound spectrum with and without hiss was made the same, and the one with hiss sounded brighter. As you say, sound is very subjective in some ways, but the ear can be fooled as well. More than once I have thought I had found a tremendous set of parameters to get rid of noise on a recording, only to find there were artifacts of noise reduction that were very apparent to me when I listened the next day. It is a challenge. Best regards, Steve Jacobson to On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:43:25 -0800, Donald L. Roberts wrote: I do not claim to be knowledgeable regarding noise reduction. However, most of the time I have dealt with old recordings which have been subjected to noise reduction software, there are almost no highs whatsoever. I am thinking of a lot of big band and vocal recordings made on 78s during the 30s and 40s, and yes I know that the modulating frequencies were seldom more than 5000 cycles. But I have heard a number of those recordings on the original vinyl and later heard those same recordings after going through noise reduction procedures, and the resulting sound is so bland that I would much prefer the originals, complete with hiss and a few pops. As stated earlier, I haven't played with this stuff much, so I am not bashing. I am just suggesting that good sound is an extremely subjective thing. Don Roberts On 2/9/2013 12:25 PM, Brian Olesen wrote: Hi, the noise remover in Audacity is far better. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Curtis Delzer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 5:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition auto noise capture in sound forge is great, and then the trick is to get it to lower the defaults to more than one of the saved configurations to more than 12.5 DB. You can totally get rid of cassette noise, for example, at about -40 DB or so, any more than that and it starts to make the typical NR swishy sounds which are not desirable. At 08:19 AM 12/04/12, you wrote: In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
If you're gana perchis adobe audition, I think your best bet will be with sonar if you want multitrack. And oh yeh. Reaper is good too. I also think there's a way to use soney plugins with sonar. I use sonar 8.5 everyday at work. Maby I can check and see. It is accessabel with caketalking, or j scripts. Which ever one you want. I use cake talking for sonar. Though, I'm looking to see If we can be able to use other vsts with cake talking. i -Original Message- From: Samuel Wilkins [mailto:clevercl...@gwilkins.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:54 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Thank you Steve for that. I think then it looks like Audition is more trouble than its worth, and it may be ebst trying out the Sound Forge and Reeper demos. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: 04 December 2012 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc
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Thank you Rishi. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Rishi D Mack Sent: 07 December 2012 10:59 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition If you're gana perchis adobe audition, I think your best bet will be with sonar if you want multitrack. And oh yeh. Reaper is good too. I also think there's a way to use soney plugins with sonar. I use sonar 8.5 everyday at work. Maby I can check and see. It is accessabel with caketalking, or j scripts. Which ever one you want. I use cake talking for sonar. Though, I'm looking to see If we can be able to use other vsts with cake talking. i -Original Message- From: Samuel Wilkins [mailto:clevercl...@gwilkins.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:54 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Thank you Steve for that. I think then it looks like Audition is more trouble than its worth, and it may be ebst trying out the Sound Forge and Reeper demos. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: 04 December 2012 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
I will try a demo of Reeper and see if it works. However, I was wondering if Sound Forge would allow me to add my own impulse response files o the acoustic mirror, as I am also considering that. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: 04 December 2012 01:37 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Samuel why don't you try reaper with re-access. It is a very accessible multitrack recorder and only costs $60. - Original Message - From: Samuel Wilkins clevercl...@gwilkins.co.uk To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello Steve, the reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack capabilities, and also because it has convolution reverb capabilities. I know that Sound Forge has a convolution plug-in called the Acoustic Mirror, I do not know whether I could import my own impulse response files into this. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: 02 December 2012 19:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Samyuel, I am a Window-Eyes user and I used Adobe Audition in its early days and CoolEdit before then which Adobe purchased. The current version of Audition conveys information to screen readers using other methods that are not evident from the screen. Mostly, I think MSAA is used, although there could be some UI Automation. What this means is that if you just try to explore the screens with the mouse pointer, you are going to notice that some things that others see on the screen are just not there. GW Micro does have an Audition app that gets a lot of the information you need. When I tried that some time ago, it worked pretty well, but there were some gaps when dealing with certain plug-ins. I had switched to Sound Forge before these capabilities became available, though, so I didn't buy a full Audition version, and I have not tried it for a while. I would suggest that you ask on the GW-Info list, though, and I would also see if you can get a demo version and plan on really working the heck out of it for thirty days or so. I don't know if you can download a demo version or not. If you do try this, I for one would be very, very interested to hear what you find out. Also, if there are specific problems, Aaron Smith of GW Micro might be willing to see if something can be done with the app. While I am not unhappy with Sound Forge, I would consider moving back to Audition if it works reasonably. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:21:31 -, Samuel Wilkins wrote: Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
I see. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Merv Keck Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:27 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Thank you Steve for that. I think then it looks like Audition is more trouble than its worth, and it may be ebst trying out the Sound Forge and Reeper demos. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: 04 December 2012 16:19 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition In case this matters, I also really liked Audition's Noise Reduction. However, I feel as though the Sound Forge Noise reduction is just as good but one needs to play with it some. For example, the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in as four different modes, and certain modes work better with certain kinds of content. I didn't feel I had to work as hard at Audition's noise reduction to get good results, but if you are forced away from Audition, I think you can do all right with the Sound Forge noise reduction plug-in if you experiment with settings.. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:27:01 -0500, Merv Keck wrote: Adobe Audition still has the best noise reduction I have ever seen on the PC. Before losing most of my vision I never used anything else but Adobe Audition 3 for multitrack editing. However, since March of 22011 it has been too difficult for nme to use it since it is not very speech friendly. I kept waiting for a new version to come out but it never did. I'm going to download Reaper today and give it a try. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:21 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition I used Audition professionally for a long time and still miss it very much. Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Hello Steve, the reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack capabilities, and also because it has convolution reverb capabilities. I know that Sound Forge has a convolution plug-in called the Acoustic Mirror, I do not know whether I could import my own impulse response files into this. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: 02 December 2012 19:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Samyuel, I am a Window-Eyes user and I used Adobe Audition in its early days and CoolEdit before then which Adobe purchased. The current version of Audition conveys information to screen readers using other methods that are not evident from the screen. Mostly, I think MSAA is used, although there could be some UI Automation. What this means is that if you just try to explore the screens with the mouse pointer, you are going to notice that some things that others see on the screen are just not there. GW Micro does have an Audition app that gets a lot of the information you need. When I tried that some time ago, it worked pretty well, but there were some gaps when dealing with certain plug-ins. I had switched to Sound Forge before these capabilities became available, though, so I didn't buy a full Audition version, and I have not tried it for a while. I would suggest that you ask on the GW-Info list, though, and I would also see if you can get a demo version and plan on really working the heck out of it for thirty days or so. I don't know if you can download a demo version or not. If you do try this, I for one would be very, very interested to hear what you find out. Also, if there are specific problems, Aaron Smith of GW Micro might be willing to see if something can be done with the app. While I am not unhappy with Sound Forge, I would consider moving back to Audition if it works reasonably. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:21:31 -, Samuel Wilkins wrote: Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
I would also agree that Soundforge is the most friendly. I also have Cooledit and Adobe Audition 2.1. Bu t I use Soundforge more. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:44 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
I would also agree that Soundforge is the most friendly. I also have Cooledit and Adobe Audition 2.1. Bu t I use Soundforge more. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:44 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Samuel why don't you try reaper with re-access. It is a very accessible multitrack recorder and only costs $60. - Original Message - From: Samuel Wilkins clevercl...@gwilkins.co.uk To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello Steve, the reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack capabilities, and also because it has convolution reverb capabilities. I know that Sound Forge has a convolution plug-in called the Acoustic Mirror, I do not know whether I could import my own impulse response files into this. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: 02 December 2012 19:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Samyuel, I am a Window-Eyes user and I used Adobe Audition in its early days and CoolEdit before then which Adobe purchased. The current version of Audition conveys information to screen readers using other methods that are not evident from the screen. Mostly, I think MSAA is used, although there could be some UI Automation. What this means is that if you just try to explore the screens with the mouse pointer, you are going to notice that some things that others see on the screen are just not there. GW Micro does have an Audition app that gets a lot of the information you need. When I tried that some time ago, it worked pretty well, but there were some gaps when dealing with certain plug-ins. I had switched to Sound Forge before these capabilities became available, though, so I didn't buy a full Audition version, and I have not tried it for a while. I would suggest that you ask on the GW-Info list, though, and I would also see if you can get a demo version and plan on really working the heck out of it for thirty days or so. I don't know if you can download a demo version or not. If you do try this, I for one would be very, very interested to hear what you find out. Also, if there are specific problems, Aaron Smith of GW Micro might be willing to see if something can be done with the app. While I am not unhappy with Sound Forge, I would consider moving back to Audition if it works reasonably. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:21:31 -, Samuel Wilkins wrote: Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Actually I should care because I believe this does surround sound too no? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:44 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Accessibility of Adobe Audition The reason I am interested in using Adobe Audition is because of its multitrack editing capabilities, as I have some tracks I would like to edit, and I would like to be able to do this at home with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Vítek Sent: 02 December 2012 18:32 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind-friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Samyuel, I am a Window-Eyes user and I used Adobe Audition in its early days and CoolEdit before then which Adobe purchased. The current version of Audition conveys information to screen readers using other methods that are not evident from the screen. Mostly, I think MSAA is used, although there could be some UI Automation. What this means is that if you just try to explore the screens with the mouse pointer, you are going to notice that some things that others see on the screen are just not there. GW Micro does have an Audition app that gets a lot of the information you need. When I tried that some time ago, it worked pretty well, but there were some gaps when dealing with certain plug-ins. I had switched to Sound Forge before these capabilities became available, though, so I didn't buy a full Audition version, and I have not tried it for a while. I would suggest that you ask on the GW-Info list, though, and I would also see if you can get a demo version and plan on really working the heck out of it for thirty days or so. I don't know if you can download a demo version or not. If you do try this, I for one would be very, very interested to hear what you find out. Also, if there are specific problems, Aaron Smith of GW Micro might be willing to see if something can be done with the app. While I am not unhappy with Sound Forge, I would consider moving back to Audition if it works reasonably. Good luck. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:21:31 -, Samuel Wilkins wrote: Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Accessibility of Adobe Audition
Your cautions are legitimate, but there were some changes that were intended to help screen readers between Adobe audition 2 and 3. I have not experimented enough to know where things are now, but if someone has a reason to want to use Audition, I really think it is worth trying the demo to see where things are now. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:32:23 +0100, Vítek wrote: Hi Sam, My view might be a little subjective but from what I've tried out in the past when I got myself Adobe Audition just to take a look at it got totally worse than e.g. 2.1 version of Adobe Audition when you know they changed their label from Cool Edit which was the predecessor of that one. I wasn't confortable with that as many objects were placed without any shortcut keys on the screen beyond the menu so OK it was possible to grab them using the virtual mouse and crowling around but it was a real pain. It has the standard menu from what I remember and maybe they improved some particular things of that I can't tell but generally the older version were incredible having most of things in menu reachable via the keyboard unlike the latest versions. But maybe somebody knowing more of that will chime in. I say the most blind- friendly one is Sound Forge:). For the record I don't think it'll be better with Window Eyes as the universal way of the layout and localizing the object is identical to all screen readers regardless of whether it's NVDA Jaws or Window Eyes etc. Tapin-radio coordinator URL: http://www.tapinradio.com/ Facebook: http://facebook.com/tapinradio Twitter: http://twitter.com/tapin_radio Skype: tapinradio - Puvodní zpráva - Od: Samuel Wilkins Komu: PC Audio Discussion List Odesláno: 2. prosince 2012 16:21 Predmet: Accessibility of Adobe Audition Hello everyone, I am considering migrating to Adobe Audition. However, I was wondering how accessible the latest version is with a screen reader. I am using Window-Eyes as my reader. Thank you. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 6966 (20120314) __ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
