Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

So do you actually have a pair of these cans?



On 21/09/2016 11:58 AM, Tim Noonan wrote:

Hmmm,

since sighted people can't see their ears, how do you think they use the touch 
surface?

They use touch.

They are totally usable by sighted and blind people.

Why would a blind person be less able to move their finger up or down or left 
or right than a sighted person?

They also sound exceptional in my view.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, though, the tuning app is not accessible, 
but I have found no need for its use.


On 21 Sep 2016, at 11:45 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I've just read a review on these and they would be an unmitigated disaster for 
anyone who is blind to use.

Firstly the review clearly states that the touch panels - these cans have two - 
need to be controlled with precise movement and mistakes are easily made so - 
if someone with sight is having trouble - just imagine what it would be like 
for someone who is totally blind?

The command activated by the gesture is voiced and the reviewer made mention of 
how frustrating he found it when he say gestured for the volume to be made 
louder only to discover that he'd skipped to the next track in his music 
collection, not too pleasant I would think.

The user also has to make gestures when answering incoming phone calls from the 
mobile, need i say any more.

Far superior? Well both these headphones and the MM550X have AptX for 
Bluetooth, I've had the MM550X and - whilst they have a few design faults and 
the noise cancelling isn't as good as it perhaps could be - I've not been 
disappointed.

Noice scance3lling is something I've never bothered about anyway myself.



On 6/09/2016 4:23 PM, Tim Noonan wrote:

I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a month 
or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.

They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
features.

The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
facilities.

Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml cable 
or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
supporting 48k at 16 bits.

They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the ear 
cups flat, they power off.

The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.

The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
other voices and sounds around you.

The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with the 
NR in the Bose QC35s.

An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
haven't tested the app under Android.

The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up to 
23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.

Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound from 
the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums have 
a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise cancellation 
improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more accurate 
response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent sound 
reproduction.

I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they probably 
won't be a good match for you.

Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.

They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.

I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 550 are 
an excellent all-rounder option.

On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:









I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to be 
aware of so as such they will be left to last.

The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but sturdy 
build and can be 

RE: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Hamit Campos]

H sounds like from Dane's message here that according to the review it 
could be like a touch strip. It could also be lack of pacience from the 
reviewer too. I mean if we're gonna talk about tricky, the play pawze and skip 
back and fourth thing with the middle button of a controller on either Ear Pods 
or my Bose OE2I can get tricky. You've got to do it just right. Or it won't 
work.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel 
headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

I've just read a review on these and they would be an unmitigated disaster for 
anyone who is blind to use.

Firstly the review clearly states that the touch panels - these cans have two - 
need to be controlled with precise movement and mistakes are easily made so - 
if someone with sight is having trouble - just imagine what it would be like 
for someone who is totally blind?

The command activated by the gesture is voiced and the reviewer made mention of 
how frustrating he found it when he say gestured for the volume to be made 
louder only to discover that he'd skipped to the next track in his music 
collection, not too pleasant I would think.

The user also has to make gestures when answering incoming phone calls from the 
mobile, need i say any more.

Far superior? Well both these headphones and the MM550X have AptX for 
Bluetooth, I've had the MM550X and - whilst they have a few design faults and 
the noise cancelling isn't as good as it perhaps could be - I've not been 
disappointed.

Noice scance3lling is something I've never bothered about anyway myself.



On 6/09/2016 4:23 PM, Tim Noonan wrote:
> I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a 
> month or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.
>
> They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
> with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
> features.
>
> The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
> decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
> facilities.
>
> Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml 
> cable or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
> supporting 48k at 16 bits.
>
> They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
> travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the 
> ear cups flat, they power off.
>
> The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
> you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
> quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.
>
> The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
> other voices and sounds around you.
>
> The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with 
> the NR in the Bose QC35s.
>
> An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
> headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
> haven't tested the app under Android.
>
> The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
> and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up 
> to 23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.
>
> Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound 
> from the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
> extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums 
> have a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise 
> cancellation improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more 
> accurate response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent 
> sound reproduction.
>
> I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
> range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they 
> probably won't be a good match for you.
>
> Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
> depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.
>
> They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.
>
> I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
> announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
> better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 
> 550 are an excellent all-rounder option.
>
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...

RE: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Hamit Campos]

Right Tim. There's no app. It's like spinning your finger to turn up the old 
IPod Nanno. On the subject of touch though things like the touch strip on the 
Toshiba lap top could get confusing. I had 1 and yes I kinda learned some of 
the things where on this touch strip where they were. But there was always the 
chance you could hit something else.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:58 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel 
headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

Hmmm,

since sighted people can't see their ears, how do you think they use the touch 
surface?

They use touch.

They are totally usable by sighted and blind people.

Why would a blind person be less able to move their finger up or down or left 
or right than a sighted person?

They also sound exceptional in my view.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, though, the tuning app is not accessible, 
but I have found no need for its use.


On 21 Sep 2016, at 11:45 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

I've just read a review on these and they would be an unmitigated disaster for 
anyone who is blind to use.

Firstly the review clearly states that the touch panels - these cans have two - 
need to be controlled with precise movement and mistakes are easily made so - 
if someone with sight is having trouble - just imagine what it would be like 
for someone who is totally blind?

The command activated by the gesture is voiced and the reviewer made mention of 
how frustrating he found it when he say gestured for the volume to be made 
louder only to discover that he'd skipped to the next track in his music 
collection, not too pleasant I would think.

The user also has to make gestures when answering incoming phone calls from the 
mobile, need i say any more.

Far superior? Well both these headphones and the MM550X have AptX for 
Bluetooth, I've had the MM550X and - whilst they have a few design faults and 
the noise cancelling isn't as good as it perhaps could be - I've not been 
disappointed.

Noice scance3lling is something I've never bothered about anyway myself.



On 6/09/2016 4:23 PM, Tim Noonan wrote:
> I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a 
> month or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.
> 
> They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
> with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
> features.
> 
> The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
> decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
> facilities.
> 
> Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml 
> cable or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
> supporting 48k at 16 bits.
> 
> They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
> travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the 
> ear cups flat, they power off.
> 
> The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
> you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
> quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.
> 
> The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
> other voices and sounds around you.
> 
> The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with 
> the NR in the Bose QC35s.
> 
> An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
> headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
> haven't tested the app under Android.
> 
> The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
> and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up 
> to 23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.
> 
> Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound 
> from the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
> extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums 
> have a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise 
> cancellation improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more 
> accurate response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent 
> sound reproduction.
> 
> I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
> range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they 
> probably won't be a good match for you.
> 
> Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a 

Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

That's exactly the point, they can't use it too well as the review very 
well illustrates.




On 21/09/2016 11:58 AM, Tim Noonan wrote:

Hmmm,

since sighted people can't see their ears, how do you think they use the touch 
surface?

They use touch.

They are totally usable by sighted and blind people.

Why would a blind person be less able to move their finger up or down or left 
or right than a sighted person?

They also sound exceptional in my view.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, though, the tuning app is not accessible, 
but I have found no need for its use.


On 21 Sep 2016, at 11:45 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I've just read a review on these and they would be an unmitigated disaster for 
anyone who is blind to use.

Firstly the review clearly states that the touch panels - these cans have two - 
need to be controlled with precise movement and mistakes are easily made so - 
if someone with sight is having trouble - just imagine what it would be like 
for someone who is totally blind?

The command activated by the gesture is voiced and the reviewer made mention of 
how frustrating he found it when he say gestured for the volume to be made 
louder only to discover that he'd skipped to the next track in his music 
collection, not too pleasant I would think.

The user also has to make gestures when answering incoming phone calls from the 
mobile, need i say any more.

Far superior? Well both these headphones and the MM550X have AptX for 
Bluetooth, I've had the MM550X and - whilst they have a few design faults and 
the noise cancelling isn't as good as it perhaps could be - I've not been 
disappointed.

Noice scance3lling is something I've never bothered about anyway myself.



On 6/09/2016 4:23 PM, Tim Noonan wrote:

I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a month 
or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.

They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
features.

The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
facilities.

Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml cable 
or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
supporting 48k at 16 bits.

They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the ear 
cups flat, they power off.

The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.

The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
other voices and sounds around you.

The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with the 
NR in the Bose QC35s.

An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
haven't tested the app under Android.

The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up to 
23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.

Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound from 
the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums have 
a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise cancellation 
improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more accurate 
response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent sound 
reproduction.

I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they probably 
won't be a good match for you.

Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.

They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.

I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 550 are 
an excellent all-rounder option.

On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:









I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to be 
aware of so as such they will be left to last.

The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a 

Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Tim Noonan]

Hmmm,

since sighted people can't see their ears, how do you think they use the touch 
surface?

They use touch.

They are totally usable by sighted and blind people.

Why would a blind person be less able to move their finger up or down or left 
or right than a sighted person?

They also sound exceptional in my view.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, though, the tuning app is not accessible, 
but I have found no need for its use.


On 21 Sep 2016, at 11:45 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I've just read a review on these and they would be an unmitigated disaster for 
anyone who is blind to use.

Firstly the review clearly states that the touch panels - these cans have two - 
need to be controlled with precise movement and mistakes are easily made so - 
if someone with sight is having trouble - just imagine what it would be like 
for someone who is totally blind?

The command activated by the gesture is voiced and the reviewer made mention of 
how frustrating he found it when he say gestured for the volume to be made 
louder only to discover that he'd skipped to the next track in his music 
collection, not too pleasant I would think.

The user also has to make gestures when answering incoming phone calls from the 
mobile, need i say any more.

Far superior? Well both these headphones and the MM550X have AptX for 
Bluetooth, I've had the MM550X and - whilst they have a few design faults and 
the noise cancelling isn't as good as it perhaps could be - I've not been 
disappointed.

Noice scance3lling is something I've never bothered about anyway myself.



On 6/09/2016 4:23 PM, Tim Noonan wrote:
> I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a 
> month or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.
> 
> They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
> with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
> features.
> 
> The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
> decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
> facilities.
> 
> Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml 
> cable or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
> supporting 48k at 16 bits.
> 
> They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
> travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the 
> ear cups flat, they power off.
> 
> The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
> you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
> quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.
> 
> The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
> other voices and sounds around you.
> 
> The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with 
> the NR in the Bose QC35s.
> 
> An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
> headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
> haven't tested the app under Android.
> 
> The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
> and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up 
> to 23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.
> 
> Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound 
> from the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
> extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums 
> have a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise 
> cancellation improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more 
> accurate response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent 
> sound reproduction.
> 
> I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
> range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they 
> probably won't be a good match for you.
> 
> Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
> depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.
> 
> They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.
> 
> I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
> announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
> better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 
> 550 are an excellent all-rounder option.
> 
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
> 
> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset 

Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

I've just read a review on these and they would be an unmitigated 
disaster for anyone who is blind to use.


Firstly the review clearly states that the touch panels - these cans 
have two - need to be controlled with precise movement and mistakes are 
easily made so - if someone with sight is having trouble - just imagine 
what it would be like for someone who is totally blind?


The command activated by the gesture is voiced and the reviewer made 
mention of how frustrating he found it when he say gestured for the 
volume to be made louder only to discover that he'd skipped to the next 
track in his music collection, not too pleasant I would think.


The user also has to make gestures when answering incoming phone calls 
from the mobile, need i say any more.


Far superior? Well both these headphones and the MM550X have AptX for 
Bluetooth, I've had the MM550X and - whilst they have a few design 
faults and the noise cancelling isn't as good as it perhaps could be - 
I've not been disappointed.


Noice scance3lling is something I've never bothered about anyway myself.



On 6/09/2016 4:23 PM, Tim Noonan wrote:

I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a month 
or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.

They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
features.

The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
facilities.

Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml cable 
or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
supporting 48k at 16 bits.

They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the ear 
cups flat, they power off.

The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.

The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
other voices and sounds around you.

The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with the 
NR in the Bose QC35s.

An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
haven't tested the app under Android.

The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up to 
23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.

Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound from 
the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums have 
a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise cancellation 
improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more accurate 
response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent sound 
reproduction.

I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they probably 
won't be a good match for you.

Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.

They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.

I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 550 are 
an excellent all-rounder option.

On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:









I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to be 
aware of so as such they will be left to last.

The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but sturdy 
build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.

As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via the 
use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice sounding pair 
of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart from its build and 
travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component without a doubt.

The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away when 
paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big sounding 
feature for 

RE: Bluetooth Headset

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah that's why for AV stuff I sadly with a heavy heart lol may have to jump 
ship. For 1 bose's true 5.1 systems start in the thousands. Now yes I could get 
an acoustimass 10 or something but still can those handle the formats for UHD 
BD? Hm me thinks not if they are any higher than 96 KHZ 24 bit. What's more 
for 1100 you can just get Onkyo's 7.1.4 dolby atmos system. All this to just 
say that I don't get why Bose lags. How many other companies use APTX? Other 
than Samsung? I think HTC does don't they? Bose uses that excuse sometimes. But 
it's an excuse. Loads and loads of films are in DTX HD Master and no HD MA on a 
bose system to this very day as far as I know. Oh and there's 7.1 all over the 
place yet bose got scared off with the 6.1 flop for good and won't make a 7.1 
system. We'll see. But I don't think the new phone has APTX. They didn't say 
anything to it doing so. Again I guess cause they chose wireless over blue 
tooth.
-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 7:42 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset

Yes indeed, we’ll see tomorrow but I doubt whether Apple consider APTX a 
priority and why do I say that? Well its been around for quite some time now 
and Apple have had plenty of time to introduce the technology to their 
Smartphones and other devices, I believe the hardware is there already.
Another company that doesn’t use APTX surprisingly is Bose but then again one 
could argue perhaps not surprisingly .

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:26 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to not 
> have NFC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
> 
> I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly useful 
> if you have an iPhone.
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Sounds intresting.
>> Do they support nfc too?
>> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
>> android instead.
>> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
>> through closed headphones.
>> /A
>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
>>> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
>>> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
>>> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
>>> sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.
>>> 
>>> As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
>>> including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via 
>>> the use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice 
>>> sounding pair of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart 
>>> from its build and travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component 
>>> without a doubt.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
>>> when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
>>> sounding feature for these cans.
>>> 
>>> Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google 
>>> Now or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
>>> extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use 
>>> HD Voice on your phone’s network.
>>> 
>>> I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a 
>>> closed set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening 
>>> to your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going 
>>> on around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without 
>>> removing the cans from your ears.
>>> 
>>> Music sounds wonderful through these cans – whether using the direct cable 
>>&g

Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

Bluetooth 4.2 is the implementation of Bluetooth itself, aptX is the encoding 
used and 4.2 is the Bluetooth version used, you can use aptX on earlier 
versions of Bluetooth such as Bluetooth 3 but Bluetooth 4.x has other 
advantages, a wider band width which aptX can take full advantage of and 
facilities for lower energy consumption so it makes sense for battery devices 
such as headsets to use 4.x.
Hope this explains.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:29 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dane is this APTX thing different from Bluetooth 4.2? I just saw 4.2 a few 
> days ago as a speck for Dell's new XPSs.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:57 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
> 
> Yes, that’s the problem with the AAC coding and most other methods of sending 
> data from a device to a Bluetooth speaker, headphones etc, you’re not only 
> listening to a file - most likely compressed - but its being compressed yet 
> again hence more loss of quality though - as you say - its probably not too 
> noticeable when listening to Speech.
> I had the small Jambox and was glad to be rid of it, never thought much of 
> that device at all.
> Yeah okay, people spoke of how it had voice prompting and how you could add 
> an effect to widen the channels with DSP but that’s all gimmick type stuff as 
> far as I’m concerned.
> I’d be very surprised if the chips that Apple were using for Bluetooth didn’t 
> handle aptX and you’ve probably put your finger on it when you talk about 
> firmware being rewritten.
> As far as I know the chips used for Bluetooth handle Bluetooth 4.0 and above 
> so - that being the case - they should easily accommodate aptX I would have 
> thought.
> Now a thought has crossed my mind, if Apple are going to release a phone 
> without a headphone socket then perhaps it may also be the right time to 
> upgrade the Bluetooth standard to Lossless - aptX in other words -., guess 
> will know 48 hours from now.
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 12:43 PM, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Its hard to say if ApTx will be included - but from beta testing iOS I feel 
>> that the Bluetooth code has been rewritten or upgraded.  
>> 
>> Only some brands of Bluetooth chips support the Codec.
>> 
>> For a few years now, Apple have been promoting an AAC Bluetooth Codec - 
>> likely working on the desire to avoid transcoding of AAC files from iTunes 
>> and now Apple Music.
>> 
>> Though its been around for a couple of years now, I have a Big Jambox 
>> speaker which is AAC Codec compatible and though it is a lovely speaker for 
>> listening to voice and spoken word, it has very high latency - which I 
>> wonder is a result of the AAC Codec being used.
>> 
>> But, if you want a speaker that is great for listening to podcasts, audio 
>> books and which can fill a room nicely with no strain or hardness, the Big 
>> Jambox is great - it has a wonderful open sound - but for modern music it is 
>> not strong in bass.
>> 
>> I don't like boomy sound myself, and this speaker is very clean, open and 
>> fresh in its sound with lovely top end. 
>> 
>> In fact, it is now my main computer speaker for all TTS output etc, via its 
>> line in jack. I also use it in the voice and listening workshops that I run.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:41 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes indeed, we’ll see tomorrow but I doubt whether Apple consider APTX a 
>> priority and why do I say that? Well its been around for quite some time now 
>> and Apple have had plenty of time to introduce the technology to their 
>> Smartphones and other devices, I believe the hardware is there already.
>> Another company that doesn’t use APTX surprisingly is Bose but then again 
>> one could argue perhaps not surprisingly .
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:26 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to 
>>> not have NFC.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
>>> 
>>> I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s har

RE: Bluetooth Headset

[Hamit Campos]

Dane is this APTX thing different from Bluetooth 4.2? I just saw 4.2 a few days 
ago as a speck for Dell's new XPSs.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset

Yes, that’s the problem with the AAC coding and most other methods of sending 
data from a device to a Bluetooth speaker, headphones etc, you’re not only 
listening to a file - most likely compressed - but its being compressed yet 
again hence more loss of quality though - as you say - its probably not too 
noticeable when listening to Speech.
I had the small Jambox and was glad to be rid of it, never thought much of that 
device at all.
Yeah okay, people spoke of how it had voice prompting and how you could add an 
effect to widen the channels with DSP but that’s all gimmick type stuff as far 
as I’m concerned.
I’d be very surprised if the chips that Apple were using for Bluetooth didn’t 
handle aptX and you’ve probably put your finger on it when you talk about 
firmware being rewritten.
As far as I know the chips used for Bluetooth handle Bluetooth 4.0 and above so 
- that being the case - they should easily accommodate aptX I would have 
thought.
Now a thought has crossed my mind, if Apple are going to release a phone 
without a headphone socket then perhaps it may also be the right time to 
upgrade the Bluetooth standard to Lossless - aptX in other words -., guess will 
know 48 hours from now.

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 12:43 PM, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Its hard to say if ApTx will be included - but from beta testing iOS I feel 
> that the Bluetooth code has been rewritten or upgraded.  
> 
> Only some brands of Bluetooth chips support the Codec.
> 
> For a few years now, Apple have been promoting an AAC Bluetooth Codec - 
> likely working on the desire to avoid transcoding of AAC files from iTunes 
> and now Apple Music.
> 
> Though its been around for a couple of years now, I have a Big Jambox speaker 
> which is AAC Codec compatible and though it is a lovely speaker for listening 
> to voice and spoken word, it has very high latency - which I wonder is a 
> result of the AAC Codec being used.
> 
> But, if you want a speaker that is great for listening to podcasts, audio 
> books and which can fill a room nicely with no strain or hardness, the Big 
> Jambox is great - it has a wonderful open sound - but for modern music it is 
> not strong in bass.
> 
> I don't like boomy sound myself, and this speaker is very clean, open and 
> fresh in its sound with lovely top end. 
> 
> In fact, it is now my main computer speaker for all TTS output etc, via its 
> line in jack. I also use it in the voice and listening workshops that I run.
> 
> Regards
> Tim
> 
> 
> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:41 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes indeed, we’ll see tomorrow but I doubt whether Apple consider APTX a 
> priority and why do I say that? Well its been around for quite some time now 
> and Apple have had plenty of time to introduce the technology to their 
> Smartphones and other devices, I believe the hardware is there already.
> Another company that doesn’t use APTX surprisingly is Bose but then again one 
> could argue perhaps not surprisingly .
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:26 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to 
>> not have NFC.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
>> 
>> I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly 
>> useful if you have an iPhone.
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Sounds intresting.
>>> Do they support nfc too?
>>> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
>>> android instead.
>>> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
>>> through closed headphones.
>>> /A
>>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably 
>>>> impr

Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, that’s the problem with the AAC coding and most other methods of sending 
data from a device to a Bluetooth speaker, headphones etc, you’re not only 
listening to a file - most likely compressed - but its being compressed yet 
again hence more loss of quality though - as you say - its probably not too 
noticeable when listening to Speech.
I had the small Jambox and was glad to be rid of it, never thought much of that 
device at all.
Yeah okay, people spoke of how it had voice prompting and how you could add an 
effect to widen the channels with DSP but that’s all gimmick type stuff as far 
as I’m concerned.
I’d be very surprised if the chips that Apple were using for Bluetooth didn’t 
handle aptX and you’ve probably put your finger on it when you talk about 
firmware being rewritten.
As far as I know the chips used for Bluetooth handle Bluetooth 4.0 and above so 
- that being the case - they should easily accommodate aptX I would have 
thought.
Now a thought has crossed my mind, if Apple are going to release a phone 
without a headphone socket then perhaps it may also be the right time to 
upgrade the Bluetooth standard to Lossless - aptX in other words -., guess will 
know 48 hours from now.

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 12:43 PM, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Its hard to say if ApTx will be included - but from beta testing iOS I feel 
> that the Bluetooth code has been rewritten or upgraded.  
> 
> Only some brands of Bluetooth chips support the Codec.
> 
> For a few years now, Apple have been promoting an AAC Bluetooth Codec - 
> likely working on the desire to avoid transcoding of AAC files from iTunes 
> and now Apple Music.
> 
> Though its been around for a couple of years now, I have a Big Jambox speaker 
> which is AAC Codec compatible and though it is a lovely speaker for listening 
> to voice and spoken word, it has very high latency - which I wonder is a 
> result of the AAC Codec being used.
> 
> But, if you want a speaker that is great for listening to podcasts, audio 
> books and which can fill a room nicely with no strain or hardness, the Big 
> Jambox is great - it has a wonderful open sound - but for modern music it is 
> not strong in bass.
> 
> I don't like boomy sound myself, and this speaker is very clean, open and 
> fresh in its sound with lovely top end. 
> 
> In fact, it is now my main computer speaker for all TTS output etc, via its 
> line in jack. I also use it in the voice and listening workshops that I run.
> 
> Regards
> Tim
> 
> 
> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:41 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes indeed, we’ll see tomorrow but I doubt whether Apple consider APTX a 
> priority and why do I say that? Well its been around for quite some time now 
> and Apple have had plenty of time to introduce the technology to their 
> Smartphones and other devices, I believe the hardware is there already.
> Another company that doesn’t use APTX surprisingly is Bose but then again one 
> could argue perhaps not surprisingly .
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:26 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to 
>> not have NFC.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
>> 
>> I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly 
>> useful if you have an iPhone.
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Sounds intresting.
>>> Do they support nfc too?
>>> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
>>> android instead.
>>> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
>>> through closed headphones.
>>> /A
>>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably 
>>>> impressed though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing 
>>>> much to complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor 
>>>> irritations to be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
>>>> 
>>>> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
>>>&

Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Tim Noonan]

Its hard to say if ApTx will be included - but from beta testing iOS I feel 
that the Bluetooth code has been rewritten or upgraded.  

Only some brands of Bluetooth chips support the Codec.

For a few years now, Apple have been promoting an AAC Bluetooth Codec - likely 
working on the desire to avoid transcoding of AAC files from iTunes and now 
Apple Music.

Though its been around for a couple of years now, I have a Big Jambox speaker 
which is AAC Codec compatible and though it is a lovely speaker for listening 
to voice and spoken word, it has very high latency - which I wonder is a result 
of the AAC Codec being used.

But, if you want a speaker that is great for listening to podcasts, audio books 
and which can fill a room nicely with no strain or hardness, the Big Jambox is 
great - it has a wonderful open sound - but for modern music it is not strong 
in bass.

I don't like boomy sound myself, and this speaker is very clean, open and fresh 
in its sound with lovely top end. 

In fact, it is now my main computer speaker for all TTS output etc, via its 
line in jack. I also use it in the voice and listening workshops that I run.

Regards
Tim


On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:41 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

Yes indeed, we’ll see tomorrow but I doubt whether Apple consider APTX a 
priority and why do I say that? Well its been around for quite some time now 
and Apple have had plenty of time to introduce the technology to their 
Smartphones and other devices, I believe the hardware is there already.
Another company that doesn’t use APTX surprisingly is Bose but then again one 
could argue perhaps not surprisingly .

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:26 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to not 
> have NFC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
> 
> I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly useful 
> if you have an iPhone.
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Sounds intresting.
>> Do they support nfc too?
>> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
>> android instead.
>> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
>> through closed headphones.
>> /A
>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
>>> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
>>> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
>>> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
>>> sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.
>>> 
>>> As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
>>> including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via 
>>> the use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice 
>>> sounding pair of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart 
>>> from its build and travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component 
>>> without a doubt.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
>>> when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
>>> sounding feature for these cans.
>>> 
>>> Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google 
>>> Now or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
>>> extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use 
>>> HD Voice on your phone’s network.
>>> 
>>> I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a 
>>> closed set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening 
>>> to your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going 
>>> on around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without 
>>> removing the cans from your ears.
>>> 
>>> Music sounds wonderful through

Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes indeed, we’ll see tomorrow but I doubt whether Apple consider APTX a 
priority and why do I say that? Well its been around for quite some time now 
and Apple have had plenty of time to introduce the technology to their 
Smartphones and other devices, I believe the hardware is there already.
Another company that doesn’t use APTX surprisingly is Bose but then again one 
could argue perhaps not surprisingly .

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 9:26 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to not 
> have NFC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset
> 
> I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly useful 
> if you have an iPhone.
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Sounds intresting.
>> Do they support nfc too?
>> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
>> android instead.
>> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
>> through closed headphones.
>> /A
>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
>>> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
>>> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
>>> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
>>> sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.
>>> 
>>> As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
>>> including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via 
>>> the use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice 
>>> sounding pair of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart 
>>> from its build and travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component 
>>> without a doubt.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
>>> when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
>>> sounding feature for these cans.
>>> 
>>> Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google 
>>> Now or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
>>> extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use 
>>> HD Voice on your phone’s network.
>>> 
>>> I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a 
>>> closed set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening 
>>> to your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going 
>>> on around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without 
>>> removing the cans from your ears.
>>> 
>>> Music sounds wonderful through these cans – whether using the direct cable 
>>> connection of Bluetooth – but the Bluetooth experience is certainly made 
>>> more worthwhile given the control you have over your music collection from 
>>> the MM550 system itself which is provided with track forward and back 
>>> buttons as well as using the master button as a pause.
>>> 
>>> I haven’t listened to the MM550 for an extended period of time yet though I 
>>> doubt I’ll encounter any problems with sore ears given the weight of this 
>>> headset and its luxurious leather padding around the cuffs.
>>> 
>>> So to the couple of bad things about this headset and the first is annoying.
>>> 
>>> The lithium-ion battery can be charged either inside or outside the headset 
>>> but if you’re charging inside the headset be sure to put your hand over the 
>>> battery when you remove the USB charging cable or the battery will come 
>>> too, that’s right, out of the headset itself and that’s a very poor design.
>>> 
>>> The MM550 has direct cable connection however in this mode the headphones 
>>> are completely passive meanin

RE: Bluetooth Headset

[Hamit Campos]

For now that is. We'll see tomorrow. It'd be a real shame for IPhone 7 to not 
have NFC.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset

I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly useful 
if you have an iPhone.

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sounds intresting.
> Do they support nfc too?
> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
> android instead.
> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
> through closed headphones.
> /A
>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
>> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
>> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
>> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
>> 
>> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
>> sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.
>> 
>> As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
>> including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via 
>> the use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice 
>> sounding pair of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart 
>> from its build and travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component 
>> without a doubt.
>> 
>> The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
>> when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
>> sounding feature for these cans.
>> 
>> Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google 
>> Now or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
>> extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use 
>> HD Voice on your phone’s network.
>> 
>> I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a closed 
>> set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.
>> 
>> The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening 
>> to your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going 
>> on around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without 
>> removing the cans from your ears.
>> 
>> Music sounds wonderful through these cans – whether using the direct cable 
>> connection of Bluetooth – but the Bluetooth experience is certainly made 
>> more worthwhile given the control you have over your music collection from 
>> the MM550 system itself which is provided with track forward and back 
>> buttons as well as using the master button as a pause.
>> 
>> I haven’t listened to the MM550 for an extended period of time yet though I 
>> doubt I’ll encounter any problems with sore ears given the weight of this 
>> headset and its luxurious leather padding around the cuffs.
>> 
>> So to the couple of bad things about this headset and the first is annoying.
>> 
>> The lithium-ion battery can be charged either inside or outside the headset 
>> but if you’re charging inside the headset be sure to put your hand over the 
>> battery when you remove the USB charging cable or the battery will come too, 
>> that’s right, out of the headset itself and that’s a very poor design.
>> 
>> The MM550 has direct cable connection however in this mode the headphones 
>> are completely passive meaning that they rely on the amplifier of the system 
>> they’re wired to for volume and that’s fine in theory and really I have no 
>> argument on that score.
>> 
>> The problem is if you’re wanting to direct wire them to the headphones 
>> output of your Cell Phone or similar thinking that the microphones of the 
>> cans and the remote control buttons will work, they certainly will not., as 
>> I mentioned at the start of this review a minor gripe though I’m sure 
>> Senheiser could improve upon this if they really wanted to.
>> 
>> Now is the perfect time to buy the Senheiser MM550 headset as its been 
>> discontinued and you should be able to get it for a good price as I did.
>> 
>> So why didn’t I go for the replacement model? The replacement model has 
>> touch buttons which don’t appeal to me all that much though having said that 
>> the newer model does have an IOS and Android App which might be useful.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

I think the newer model supports NFC though as you said, that’s hardly useful 
if you have an iPhone.

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 7:29 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sounds intresting.
> Do they support nfc too?
> My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
> android instead.
> THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
> through closed headphones.
> /A
>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
>> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
>> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
>> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
>> 
>> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
>> sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.
>> 
>> As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
>> including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via 
>> the use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice 
>> sounding pair of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart 
>> from its build and travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component 
>> without a doubt.
>> 
>> The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
>> when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
>> sounding feature for these cans.
>> 
>> Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google 
>> Now or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
>> extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use 
>> HD Voice on your phone’s network.
>> 
>> I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a closed 
>> set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.
>> 
>> The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening 
>> to your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going 
>> on around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without 
>> removing the cans from your ears.
>> 
>> Music sounds wonderful through these cans – whether using the direct cable 
>> connection of Bluetooth – but the Bluetooth experience is certainly made 
>> more worthwhile given the control you have over your music collection from 
>> the MM550 system itself which is provided with track forward and back 
>> buttons as well as using the master button as a pause.
>> 
>> I haven’t listened to the MM550 for an extended period of time yet though I 
>> doubt I’ll encounter any problems with sore ears given the weight of this 
>> headset and its luxurious leather padding around the cuffs.
>> 
>> So to the couple of bad things about this headset and the first is annoying.
>> 
>> The lithium-ion battery can be charged either inside or outside the headset 
>> but if you’re charging inside the headset be sure to put your hand over the 
>> battery when you remove the USB charging cable or the battery will come too, 
>> that’s right, out of the headset itself and that’s a very poor design.
>> 
>> The MM550 has direct cable connection however in this mode the headphones 
>> are completely passive meaning that they rely on the amplifier of the system 
>> they’re wired to for volume and that’s fine in theory and really I have no 
>> argument on that score.
>> 
>> The problem is if you’re wanting to direct wire them to the headphones 
>> output of your Cell Phone or similar thinking that the microphones of the 
>> cans and the remote control buttons will work, they certainly will not., as 
>> I mentioned at the start of this review a minor gripe though I’m sure 
>> Senheiser could improve upon this if they really wanted to.
>> 
>> Now is the perfect time to buy the Senheiser MM550 headset as its been 
>> discontinued and you should be able to get it for a good price as I did.
>> 
>> So why didn’t I go for the replacement model? The replacement model has 
>> touch buttons which don’t appeal to me all that much though having said that 
>> the newer model does have an IOS and Android App which might be useful.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sounds intresting.
Do they support nfc too?
My new bose does but i don’t think the Iphone does so i have to get me an 
android instead.
THe noise cancellation is good for me as i don’t like the sound from cars 
through closed headphones.
/A
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 07:05, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
> though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
> complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to 
> be aware of so as such they will be left to last.
> 
> The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
> sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.
> 
> As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
> including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via 
> the use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice sounding 
> pair of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart from its 
> build and travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component without a doubt.
> 
> The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
> when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
> sounding feature for these cans.
> 
> Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google Now 
> or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
> extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use 
> HD Voice on your phone’s network.
> 
> I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a closed 
> set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.
> 
> The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening 
> to your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going 
> on around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without 
> removing the cans from your ears.
> 
> Music sounds wonderful through these cans – whether using the direct cable 
> connection of Bluetooth – but the Bluetooth experience is certainly made more 
> worthwhile given the control you have over your music collection from the 
> MM550 system itself which is provided with track forward and back buttons as 
> well as using the master button as a pause.
> 
> I haven’t listened to the MM550 for an extended period of time yet though I 
> doubt I’ll encounter any problems with sore ears given the weight of this 
> headset and its luxurious leather padding around the cuffs.
> 
> So to the couple of bad things about this headset and the first is annoying.
> 
> The lithium-ion battery can be charged either inside or outside the headset 
> but if you’re charging inside the headset be sure to put your hand over the 
> battery when you remove the USB charging cable or the battery will come too, 
> that’s right, out of the headset itself and that’s a very poor design.
> 
> The MM550 has direct cable connection however in this mode the headphones are 
> completely passive meaning that they rely on the amplifier of the system 
> they’re wired to for volume and that’s fine in theory and really I have no 
> argument on that score.
> 
> The problem is if you’re wanting to direct wire them to the headphones output 
> of your Cell Phone or similar thinking that the microphones of the cans and 
> the remote control buttons will work, they certainly will not., as I 
> mentioned at the start of this review a minor gripe though I’m sure Senheiser 
> could improve upon this if they really wanted to.
> 
> Now is the perfect time to buy the Senheiser MM550 headset as its been 
> discontinued and you should be able to get it for a good price as I did.
> 
> So why didn’t I go for the replacement model? The replacement model has touch 
> buttons which don’t appeal to me all that much though having said that the 
> newer model does have an IOS and Android App which might be useful.
> 
> 
> 

Re: The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Dane Trethowan]

Thanks for that.
I did know that the noise cancellation facility of the MM550 wasn’t all that 
good, I’ve not tried it as yet and I really don’t care about it all that much 
myself .
So the newer model did exactly what I pretty much thought ought to have been 
done in the first place, allowed for connection to a computer and have the 
computer recognize the phones as a sound card, which should mean – in theory at 
least – that these cans can be connected to the USB port of an Android device 
in the same way as to a PC or Mac.
I’m very impressed with the Microphones of the MM550 but if the newer model of 
cans has even better? Well I’ll be the last to complain.
Thanks for your thoughts on the touch panels and the App, shame its not 
available in an accessible form for IOS.



On 6/09/2016, 4:23 PM, "Pc-audio on behalf of Tim Noonan" 
 wrote:

I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a 
month or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.

They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years 
now with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
features.

The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
facilities.

Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml 
cable or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
supporting 48k at 16 bits.

They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the ear 
cups flat, they power off.

The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener 
and you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, 
making quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.

The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring 
the other voices and sounds around you.

The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with 
the NR in the Bose QC35s.

An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of 
the headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
haven't tested the app under Android.

The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 
35s and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response 
up to 23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.

Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound 
from the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums have 
a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise cancellation 
improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more accurate 
response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent sound 
reproduction.

I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a 
wide range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they 
probably won't be a good match for you.

Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.

They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.

I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 550 
are an excellent all-rounder option.

On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:









I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to be 
aware of so as such they will be left to last.

The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but 
sturdy build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.

As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via the 
use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice sounding pair 
of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart from its build and 
travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component without a doubt.

The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away 
when paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big 
sounding feature for these cans.

The MM 550 was replaced with the very much superior PXC 550 Travel headphones. Re: Bluetooth Headset

[Tim Noonan]

I've been using the Sennheiser PXC 550 Bluetooth travel headphones for a month 
or so now (they have just been released) and they are amazingly good.

They supersede the MM 550 phones that have been out for a couple of years now 
with vastly improved noise reduction, superb audio quality, comfort and 
features.

The right ear cup has a touch surface for gestures for increasing and 
decreasing volume, skipping tracks, pausing, voice dial and voice-through 
facilities.

Connection is Bluetooth 4.2 with ApdX. they come with a detachable 3.5ml cable 
or they act as a sound card when connected to a computer via USB cable 
supporting 48k at 16 bits.

They use the same drivers as do the Momentum 2.0 Wireless and fold flat for 
travel. You turn them on by placing them on your head and when you fold the ear 
cups flat, they power off.

The multiple mics enable fantastic call quality for speaker and listener and 
you hear yourself and the caller as if you were both in the same room, making 
quiet comfortable conversation very easy and natural.

The Mics also do an excellent job picking up only your voice and ignoring the 
other voices and sounds around you.

The noise cancellation is considered very good overall, but not at par with the 
NR in the Bose QC35s.

An app for Android and iOS is available to tune the frequency response of the 
headphones, but this is not well designed and on IOS is not accessible. I 
haven't tested the app under Android.

The PXC 550 Sound is reported to be significantly superior to the Bose QC 35s 
and has tight but not overly intense bass. They have a frequency response up to 
23 KHZ  and excellent stereo separation and instrument isolation.

Some non-audiofile reviewers have said they prefer the more defined sound from 
the Momentum 2.0 wireless, others who have reviewed the PXC 550s more 
extensively rate the sound more highly. Sennheiser say that the Momentums have 
a more defined sound to be heard in city travel, whereas the noise cancellation 
improvements on the PXC 550 mean they can produce a flatter more accurate 
response  without outside noise interfering with their excellent sound 
reproduction.

I'm extremely particular about my sound, and these are magnificent for a wide 
range of music listening - but if you like over-emphasised bass, they probably 
won't be a good match for you.

Comfort is excellent and battery life ranges from 20-30 hours on a charge, 
depending on whether bluetooth is enabled.

They are high-end at $399 USD or around $625 AUD.

I haven't had opportunity to listen to the B & W P7s, but they have just 
announced a Bluetooth-capable version of these. Time will tell  which has the 
better sound, but for on-the-go listening plus Noise Cancellation, the PXC 550 
are an excellent all-rounder option.

On 6 Sep 2016, at 3:05 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:









I received a pair of Sehheiser MM550X cans today and I’m suitably impressed 
though everything isn’t roses with this system, there’s nothing much to 
complain about really as I regard the gripes I have as minor irritations to be 
aware of so as such they will be left to last.

The MM550 is a comfortable closed headset which is of a lightweight but sturdy 
build and can be folded up into a carry case supplied for travelling.

As such the user is provided with all manner of adapters for these cans 
including an adapter for connection to an inflight entertainment system via the 
use of the supplied cable that turns these cans into a very nice sounding pair 
of wired cans but the main attraction of the MM550 – apart from its build and 
travelling versatility – is the Bluetooth component without a doubt.

The MM550 come equipped with AptX decoding which is noticeable right away when 
paired to my Samsung Galaxy S6 and to me the aptX facility is the big sounding 
feature for these cans.

Naturally voic calls can be made and answered from the MM550 using Google Now 
or similar – SIRI on an iPhone – and the microphones on the MM550 give 
extremely good definition in phone calls particularly if you’re able to use HD 
Voice on your phone’s network.

I’ve not tried the active noise cancellation feature yet though for a closed 
set of cans I wonder why you’d need it?.

The MM550 also provides a “Talk Through” function, suppose you’re listening to 
your favourite tracks on a long flight and you wish to hear what’s going on 
around you, press the “Talk Through” button and you’ll hear! Without removing 
the cans from your ears.

Music sounds wonderful through these cans – whether using the direct cable 
connection of Bluetooth – but the Bluetooth experience is certainly made more 
worthwhile given the control you have over your music collection from the MM550 
system itself which is provided with track forward and back buttons as well as 
using the master button as a pause.

I haven’t listened to the MM550 for an extended period of time yet though I 
doubt I’ll encounter any problems with sore 

Re: Bluetooth headset?

[Mary Otten]

Well, this is  just the Apple TV and the TV. We're not using that receiver 
anymore, since we don't have the other equipment that necessitated  having that 
multi room receiver. Now it's just a TV and, sound bar HDMI cable and an 
optical cable. That's it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Rick Alfaro <rick.alf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I had the exact same issue but I was connected via HDMI from the Apple
> TV to my receiver. I solved the problem by still using HDMI, but directly to
> the TV instead of the receiver. It seems that some receivers have this
> issue. I never had the problem when I had a Denon receiver but recently got
> a new Onkyo receiver that exhibits this problem.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:01 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth headset?
> 
> Well, apparently there is no such  ability with the Samsung TV. I have to
> rely on my husband but he is telling me there is an anything like that in
> any of the menus. Not too surprising I suppose.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 7, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I had a similar issue for a while with my Denon AVR2113 surround--sound
> receiver connected to my computer.  I was able to resolve it by turning off
> power management at the computer end for the HDMI port.
>> 
>> 
>> Bluetooth headsets for a small price and I'm imagining here you're not
> wanting great quality sound, more like reasonable quality sound.
>> 
>> 
>> Well the Logitech H800 will give you that sound if you're just wanting to
> listen through the Headset itself and not use it for chatting using
> Bluetooth, when you do that the sound is absolutely disgusting by today's
> standards.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sure I've pointed out one of many options available.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/05/2016 8:48 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> I recently got a fourth generation Apple TV and connected it to a Samsung
> TV which is connected to a Klipsch sound bar via optical cable. After some
> experimentation, including switching out the cable and trying a different
> and older TV to make sure the problem wasn't our newer TV, I have determined
> that there is an issue with voiceover cutting out when there isn't already
> audio playing through the sound bar. That is, if there is a TV show or some
> music or whatever going through the Apple TV to the sound bar, and I use the
> included remote or a Bluetooth keyboard to move around on the Apple TV and
> hear what it is saying with voiceover, there is no problem. Voiceover does
> not cut out. However, if there is no audio streaming through the sound bar
> from the Apple TV, then voiceover does cut out and the first words are
> always missed. Someone on an Apple related list said he had the same problem
> and solved it by using a Bluetooth headset. The only Bluetooth headset I
> have is a single ear piece Plantronics, probably about five years old, which
> I use on my iPhone when I'm out. This guy thinks that the issue is some kind
> of energy saving thing in the sound bar that doesn't kick in in time to
> catch the first few syllables are words that voiceover is saying.  I'm all
> in favor of energy savings, but really. This is disgusting. I wonder if
> anybody has a Bluetooth headset solution that won't cost very much. I have
> really nice   Headsets, but none of them are Bluetooth. I do not intend to
> buy the new ones from BMW which cost $400. Smile.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> **
>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Bluetooth headset?

[Rick Alfaro]

Mary, I had the exact same issue but I was connected via HDMI from the Apple
TV to my receiver. I solved the problem by still using HDMI, but directly to
the TV instead of the receiver. It seems that some receivers have this
issue. I never had the problem when I had a Denon receiver but recently got
a new Onkyo receiver that exhibits this problem.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Bluetooth headset?

Well, apparently there is no such  ability with the Samsung TV. I have to
rely on my husband but he is telling me there is an anything like that in
any of the menus. Not too surprising I suppose.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
wrote:
> 
> I had a similar issue for a while with my Denon AVR2113 surround--sound
receiver connected to my computer.  I was able to resolve it by turning off
power management at the computer end for the HDMI port.
> 
> 
> Bluetooth headsets for a small price and I'm imagining here you're not
wanting great quality sound, more like reasonable quality sound.
> 
> 
> Well the Logitech H800 will give you that sound if you're just wanting to
listen through the Headset itself and not use it for chatting using
Bluetooth, when you do that the sound is absolutely disgusting by today's
standards.
> 
> 
> I'm sure I've pointed out one of many options available.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/05/2016 8:48 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I recently got a fourth generation Apple TV and connected it to a Samsung
TV which is connected to a Klipsch sound bar via optical cable. After some
experimentation, including switching out the cable and trying a different
and older TV to make sure the problem wasn't our newer TV, I have determined
that there is an issue with voiceover cutting out when there isn't already
audio playing through the sound bar. That is, if there is a TV show or some
music or whatever going through the Apple TV to the sound bar, and I use the
included remote or a Bluetooth keyboard to move around on the Apple TV and
hear what it is saying with voiceover, there is no problem. Voiceover does
not cut out. However, if there is no audio streaming through the sound bar
from the Apple TV, then voiceover does cut out and the first words are
always missed. Someone on an Apple related list said he had the same problem
and solved it by using a Bluetooth headset. The only Bluetooth headset I
have is a single ear piece Plantronics, probably about five years old, which
I use on my iPhone when I'm out. This guy thinks that the issue is some kind
of energy saving thing in the sound bar that doesn't kick in in time to
catch the first few syllables are words that voiceover is saying.  I'm all
in favor of energy savings, but really. This is disgusting. I wonder if
anybody has a Bluetooth headset solution that won't cost very much. I have
really nice   Headsets, but none of them are Bluetooth. I do not intend to
buy the new ones from BMW which cost $400. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 

Re: Bluetooth headset?

[Mary Otten]

Well, apparently there is no such  ability with the Samsung TV. I have to rely 
on my husband but he is telling me there is an anything like that in any of the 
menus. Not too surprising I suppose.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> I had a similar issue for a while with my Denon AVR2113 surround--sound 
> receiver connected to my computer.  I was able to resolve it by turning off 
> power management at the computer end for the HDMI port.
> 
> 
> Bluetooth headsets for a small price and I'm imagining here you're not 
> wanting great quality sound, more like reasonable quality sound.
> 
> 
> Well the Logitech H800 will give you that sound if you're just wanting to 
> listen through the Headset itself and not use it for chatting using 
> Bluetooth, when you do that the sound is absolutely disgusting by today's 
> standards.
> 
> 
> I'm sure I've pointed out one of many options available.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/05/2016 8:48 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I recently got a fourth generation Apple TV and connected it to a Samsung TV 
>> which is connected to a Klipsch sound bar via optical cable. After some 
>> experimentation, including switching out the cable and trying a different 
>> and older TV to make sure the problem wasn't our newer TV, I have determined 
>> that there is an issue with voiceover cutting out when there isn't already 
>> audio playing through the sound bar. That is, if there is a TV show or some 
>> music or whatever going through the Apple TV to the sound bar, and I use the 
>> included remote or a Bluetooth keyboard to move around on the Apple TV and 
>> hear what it is saying with voiceover, there is no problem. Voiceover does 
>> not cut out. However, if there is no audio streaming through the sound bar 
>> from the Apple TV, then voiceover does cut out and the first words are 
>> always missed. Someone on an Apple related list said he had the same problem 
>> and solved it by using a Bluetooth headset. The only Bluetooth headset I 
>> have is a single ear piece Plantronics, probably about five years old, which 
>> I use on my iPhone when I'm out. This guy thinks that the issue is some kind 
>> of energy saving thing in the sound bar that doesn't kick in in time to 
>> catch the first few syllables are words that voiceover is saying.  I'm all 
>> in favor of energy savings, but really. This is disgusting. I wonder if 
>> anybody has a Bluetooth headset solution that won't cost very much. I have 
>> really nice   Headsets, but none of them are Bluetooth. I do not intend to 
>> buy the new ones from BMW which cost $400. Smile.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Bluetooth headset?

[Dane Trethowan]

I had a similar issue for a while with my Denon AVR2113 surround--sound 
receiver connected to my computer.  I was able to resolve it by turning 
off power management at the computer end for the HDMI port.



Bluetooth headsets for a small price and I'm imagining here you're not 
wanting great quality sound, more like reasonable quality sound.



Well the Logitech H800 will give you that sound if you're just wanting 
to listen through the Headset itself and not use it for chatting using 
Bluetooth, when you do that the sound is absolutely disgusting by 
today's standards.



I'm sure I've pointed out one of many options available.




On 8/05/2016 8:48 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I recently got a fourth generation Apple TV and connected it to a Samsung TV 
which is connected to a Klipsch sound bar via optical cable. After some 
experimentation, including switching out the cable and trying a different and 
older TV to make sure the problem wasn't our newer TV, I have determined that 
there is an issue with voiceover cutting out when there isn't already audio 
playing through the sound bar. That is, if there is a TV show or some music or 
whatever going through the Apple TV to the sound bar, and I use the included 
remote or a Bluetooth keyboard to move around on the Apple TV and hear what it 
is saying with voiceover, there is no problem. Voiceover does not cut out. 
However, if there is no audio streaming through the sound bar from the Apple 
TV, then voiceover does cut out and the first words are always missed. Someone 
on an Apple related list said he had the same problem and solved it by using a 
Bluetooth headset. The only Bluetooth headset I have is a single ear piece 
Plantronics, probably about five years old, which I use on my iPhone when I'm 
out. This guy thinks that the issue is some kind of energy saving thing in the 
sound bar that doesn't kick in in time to catch the first few syllables are 
words that voiceover is saying.  I'm all in favor of energy savings, but 
really. This is disgusting. I wonder if anybody has a Bluetooth headset 
solution that won't cost very much. I have really nice   Headsets, but none of 
them are Bluetooth. I do not intend to buy the new ones from BMW which cost 
$400. Smile.
Mary


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Re: bluetooth headset microphone

[G. McFarlane]

Hi
Any chance this new logiteckh microphone will be good for making 
professional recordings? I tried noise cancelling ones but they distort the 
voice.
Regards.
Gordon McFarlane
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 Logitec is coming out with a voip wireless mic and headset you might want 
 to
 look at.  It is the ClearChat PC WirelessT
 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/webcam_communications/internet_headsets_phones/devices/4226cl=us,en




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Re: bluetooth headset microphone

[Dane Trethowan]

No reason whatever why this couldn't be done but I do warn you that  
the microphones sound a little odd! as most of these headsets have  
noise cancelling as part of their operation, I was warned about this  
myself (Thanks very much Bruce) smile, the point here is that the  
sound is a bit difficult to get used to I find, I'm used to it now but  
it did sound a little odd.

On 09/03/2008, at 6:43 AM, Scott Blanks wrote:

 Hi all,

 Wondering if the following scenario is feasible, and if so, which  
 mics you
 all might recommend.

 I would like to be able to use a headset type mic, the sort which  
 goes over
 your head, and has a mic which curves around one side to point at your
 mouth. However, I'd like it to be wireless or bluetooth, whichever  
 would be
 more effective. My intention with this set up is to be able to  
 interact in
 chat rooms, without having to be completely tethered to sitting at  
 the pc.
 It would seem that bluetooth is the stronger choice, but I will  
 defer to
 others with greater experience than myself.

 Thanks,
 Scott




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[Sarah]

I've heard blutooth mics and the quality is horendous. If you can find a 
wireless headset mic go for it.
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Hi all,

Wondering if the following scenario is feasible, and if so, which mics you 
all might recommend.

I would like to be able to use a headset type mic, the sort which goes over 
your head, and has a mic which curves around one side to point at your 
mouth. However, I'd like it to be wireless or bluetooth, whichever would be 
more effective. My intention with this set up is to be able to interact in 
chat rooms, without having to be completely tethered to sitting at the pc. 
It would seem that bluetooth is the stronger choice, but I will defer to 
others with greater experience than myself.

Thanks,
Scott




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Logitec is coming out with a voip wireless mic and headset you might want to 
look at.  It is the ClearChat PC WirelessT
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