RE: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner
Dane, That's a low blow at the Christophers. Two come to mind right away whose contributions are among the most innovative and reliable on this list. Hi there, in San Antonio and Derbyshire! -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner The best statement I've heard yet so thanks Steve for posting. As far as I'm concerned Mr Moderator, you're doing a damn good job at moderation and thank you for posting to the list, I'd rather hear from the moderators themselves than pretend list cops, why is it that all the Christopher's I know are an absolute pain in the behind to deal with smile. Anyway back to the subject in hand, this list has a wide scope of messages on it at anyone time and some of these threads do start off on the right subject but can lead to others which aren't appropriate for the list perhaps? Well in such cases I reckon that good moderation dictates that at least a list member or 2 can point a person to another list or group which can deal with a subject more efficiently, an example of this sort of thing might be playing music on a mobile phone, its easy to start talking then about accessibility with speech which can probably be handled better on a list which is dedicated to mobile phone accessibility so the least that can be done to try and be helpful to all concern is for someone to post details of that list. On 18/03/2012, at 2:53 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: What Jonathan or Jeff did is ancient history, relatively speaking of course. I don't believe in legacy management. That means I don't believe list moderators need to carry torches. It's your list now. You do with it as you like. You were not necessarily entrusted with the ownership of this list because either Jonathan or Jeff expected you to drive it in any particular direction, and there is certainly no provision for either of them taking the list away from you if they don't like how you're running it. At least, I don't think there is (LOL). Bottom line, it's your toy and you're letting us play with it. Make whatever rule you like with the full confidence that you should definitely have in doing such. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay. I run a few lists of my own, small ones, just a few hundred subscribers each, which have spawned, or spun off if you prefer, other lists on side issues and threads of which I don't tolerate discussion on my list, and that's both my and my subscribers' prerogative. As you pointed out, the list of devices for recording and playing audio whilst connected to a PC is now far longer in lo these dozen short years, and you've also no doubt noticed there are lots of lists for the discussion of those devices. Bottom line, like I said before, it's up to you how you want to drive your own list, and it's up to us whether we want to stay with it or move on. No harm, no foul, as they say. And, as I say, that's why there's Coke and Pepsi--always choices. On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:31:53 -0500, you wrote: I appreciate the comments some subscribers to this e-mail list have made regarding what is and what is not on topic for this list, and I thank you for your input. You may or may not know that Jonathan Mosen started this list many years ago. I'm not sure when, but it was around 1999. After a few years Jonathan no longer wanted to be moderator so he turned it over to Jeff Harris. I'm pretty sure that Jeff is the one who obtained the domain name and took care of the web hosting site, at ultrahost.us. After another few years Jeff no longer wanted the list so Jonathan again became the list owner and moderator. Again, my memory is a bit fuzzy on the time interval, but it was perhaps five or six years ago when Jonathan asked for volunteers to take ownership and moderating the list and, I'm not sure why, but he chose me from those who responded. I did not write the guidelines for what is appropriate to be posted to the list. It was either Jonathan or Jeff. It's a difficult decision to make as to what is appropriate for the list and what is not. When the guidelines were written, there weren't devices such as iPods, iPhones, Humanware or Victor Streams. Discussing cell phones has been off topic on this list for a long time. Jonathan even has, or had, a list for these discussions. Since the traffic on the list is still rather small, I think we'll just see how subjects and issues play out. Any comments regarding the content of the list will be appreciated. I do pay a fee every year for the domain name and web hosting space so I take the list seriously and I want it to be whatever the majority of list members prefer. My e-mail address is: t...@pc-audio.org Thanks for reading, if you did! Tom
Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner
Well, I'm sure I'm not one of the Christopher's Adrian is referring to, but I'm sure I'm in that illustrious class of Christopher's Dane is talking about. Hopefully, he's not really discriminating against everyone named Christopher just because of his feelings towards me. I don't feel myself to be a pretend list cop. I've merely pointed out what is clearly stated in the info for this list and provided my opinions, with explanations, on where I think this list should go. I've provided links to other sources of information and other lists, when I've known about them, and when I thought someone could get more accurate and timely information elsewhere. I worked hard to make my statements tactful and polite and free from rudeness or criticism. I've tried to be nothing but supportive of the moderator and even help out where I could. In fact, I think both Tom's and Steve's messages were in support of my statements and efforts, although maybe I misread those messages, but I suspect it's rather a case of we're all in more agreement with one another than maybe we realize. I also think Dane is being a bit hypocritical in this situation. Several times he's made bold and unequivocal statements on what is and isn't on topic for this list, which smacks of wanting to be a moderator to me. He's complained that others are rude and making the INTERNET a less friendly place, and yet he posts a message like the one below. IMHO, I think we should move on and let Tom's statement speak for itself. We all seem to be in agreement that it's Tom's list to moderate as he sees fit. On 18/03/12 06:42, Adrian Spratt wrote: Dane, That's a low blow at the Christophers. Two come to mind right away whose contributions are among the most innovative and reliable on this list. Hi there, in San Antonio and Derbyshire! -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner The best statement I've heard yet so thanks Steve for posting. As far as I'm concerned Mr Moderator, you're doing a damn good job at moderation and thank you for posting to the list, I'd rather hear from the moderators themselves than pretend list cops, why is it that all the Christopher's I know are an absolute pain in the behind to deal with smile. Anyway back to the subject in hand, this list has a wide scope of messages on it at anyone time and some of these threads do start off on the right subject but can lead to others which aren't appropriate for the list perhaps? Well in such cases I reckon that good moderation dictates that at least a list member or 2 can point a person to another list or group which can deal with a subject more efficiently, an example of this sort of thing might be playing music on a mobile phone, its easy to start talking then about accessibility with speech which can probably be handled better on a list which is dedicated to mobile phone accessibility so the least that can be done to try and be helpful to all concern is for someone to post details of that list. On 18/03/2012, at 2:53 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: What Jonathan or Jeff did is ancient history, relatively speaking of course. I don't believe in legacy management. That means I don't believe list moderators need to carry torches. It's your list now. You do with it as you like. You were not necessarily entrusted with the ownership of this list because either Jonathan or Jeff expected you to drive it in any particular direction, and there is certainly no provision for either of them taking the list away from you if they don't like how you're running it. At least, I don't think there is (LOL). Bottom line, it's your toy and you're letting us play with it. Make whatever rule you like with the full confidence that you should definitely have in doing such. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay. I run a few lists of my own, small ones, just a few hundred subscribers each, which have spawned, or spun off if you prefer, other lists on side issues and threads of which I don't tolerate discussion on my list, and that's both my and my subscribers' prerogative. As you pointed out, the list of devices for recording and playing audio whilst connected to a PC is now far longer in lo these dozen short years, and you've also no doubt noticed there are lots of lists for the discussion of those devices. Bottom line, like I said before, it's up to you how you want to drive your own list, and it's up to us whether we want to stay with it or move on. No harm, no foul, as they say. And, as I say, that's why there's Coke and Pepsi--always choices. On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:31:53 -0500, you wrote: I appreciate the comments some subscribers to this e-mail list have made regarding what is and what is not on topic for this list
Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner
Hello --- having read what has been said on this thread, it brings me to ask this question. Could someone point me in the direction of links to other sources of information and other lists that deal with the IPod Touch. I went to the Applevis webpage and found the related mailing lists. So, if anyone has any other resource, please let me know. Charlie - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner Well, I'm sure I'm not one of the Christopher's Adrian is referring to, but I'm sure I'm in that illustrious class of Christopher's Dane is talking about. Hopefully, he's not really discriminating against everyone named Christopher just because of his feelings towards me. I don't feel myself to be a pretend list cop. I've merely pointed out what is clearly stated in the info for this list and provided my opinions, with explanations, on where I think this list should go. I've provided links to other sources of information and other lists, when I've known about them, and when I thought someone could get more accurate and timely information elsewhere. I worked hard to make my statements tactful and polite and free from rudeness or criticism. I've tried to be nothing but supportive of the moderator and even help out where I could. In fact, I think both Tom's and Steve's messages were in support of my statements and efforts, although maybe I misread those messages, but I suspect it's rather a case of we're all in more agreement with one another than maybe we realize. I also think Dane is being a bit hypocritical in this situation. Several times he's made bold and unequivocal statements on what is and isn't on topic for this list, which smacks of wanting to be a moderator to me. He's complained that others are rude and making the INTERNET a less friendly place, and yet he posts a message like the one below. IMHO, I think we should move on and let Tom's statement speak for itself. We all seem to be in agreement that it's Tom's list to moderate as he sees fit. On 18/03/12 06:42, Adrian Spratt wrote: Dane, That's a low blow at the Christophers. Two come to mind right away whose contributions are among the most innovative and reliable on this list. Hi there, in San Antonio and Derbyshire! -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner The best statement I've heard yet so thanks Steve for posting. As far as I'm concerned Mr Moderator, you're doing a damn good job at moderation and thank you for posting to the list, I'd rather hear from the moderators themselves than pretend list cops, why is it that all the Christopher's I know are an absolute pain in the behind to deal with smile. Anyway back to the subject in hand, this list has a wide scope of messages on it at anyone time and some of these threads do start off on the right subject but can lead to others which aren't appropriate for the list perhaps? Well in such cases I reckon that good moderation dictates that at least a list member or 2 can point a person to another list or group which can deal with a subject more efficiently, an example of this sort of thing might be playing music on a mobile phone, its easy to start talking then about accessibility with speech which can probably be handled better on a list which is dedicated to mobile phone accessibility so the least that can be done to try and be helpful to all concern is for someone to post details of that list. On 18/03/2012, at 2:53 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: What Jonathan or Jeff did is ancient history, relatively speaking of course. I don't believe in legacy management. That means I don't believe list moderators need to carry torches. It's your list now. You do with it as you like. You were not necessarily entrusted with the ownership of this list because either Jonathan or Jeff expected you to drive it in any particular direction, and there is certainly no provision for either of them taking the list away from you if they don't like how you're running it. At least, I don't think there is (LOL). Bottom line, it's your toy and you're letting us play with it. Make whatever rule you like with the full confidence that you should definitely have in doing such. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay. I run a few lists of my own, small ones, just a few hundred subscribers each, which have spawned, or spun off if you prefer, other lists on side issues and threads of which I don't tolerate discussion on my list, and that's both my and my subscribers' prerogative. As you pointed out, the list of devices for recording and playing audio whilst connected to a PC is now far longer in lo these dozen short
Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner
There's a list that deals with iPod touch and other Apple related product at http://www.mac-access.net On 19/03/2012, at 2:59 AM, Charlie wrote: Hello --- having read what has been said on this thread, it brings me to ask this question. Could someone point me in the direction of links to other sources of information and other lists that deal with the IPod Touch. I went to the Applevis webpage and found the related mailing lists. So, if anyone has any other resource, please let me know. Charlie - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner Well, I'm sure I'm not one of the Christopher's Adrian is referring to, but I'm sure I'm in that illustrious class of Christopher's Dane is talking about. Hopefully, he's not really discriminating against everyone named Christopher just because of his feelings towards me. I don't feel myself to be a pretend list cop. I've merely pointed out what is clearly stated in the info for this list and provided my opinions, with explanations, on where I think this list should go. I've provided links to other sources of information and other lists, when I've known about them, and when I thought someone could get more accurate and timely information elsewhere. I worked hard to make my statements tactful and polite and free from rudeness or criticism. I've tried to be nothing but supportive of the moderator and even help out where I could. In fact, I think both Tom's and Steve's messages were in support of my statements and efforts, although maybe I misread those messages, but I suspect it's rather a case of we're all in more agreement with one another than maybe we realize. I also think Dane is being a bit hypocritical in this situation. Several times he's made bold and unequivocal statements on what is and isn't on topic for this list, which smacks of wanting to be a moderator to me. He's complained that others are rude and making the INTERNET a less friendly place, and yet he posts a message like the one below. IMHO, I think we should move on and let Tom's statement speak for itself. We all seem to be in agreement that it's Tom's list to moderate as he sees fit. On 18/03/12 06:42, Adrian Spratt wrote: Dane, That's a low blow at the Christophers. Two come to mind right away whose contributions are among the most innovative and reliable on this list. Hi there, in San Antonio and Derbyshire! -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:30 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner The best statement I've heard yet so thanks Steve for posting. As far as I'm concerned Mr Moderator, you're doing a damn good job at moderation and thank you for posting to the list, I'd rather hear from the moderators themselves than pretend list cops, why is it that all the Christopher's I know are an absolute pain in the behind to deal with smile. Anyway back to the subject in hand, this list has a wide scope of messages on it at anyone time and some of these threads do start off on the right subject but can lead to others which aren't appropriate for the list perhaps? Well in such cases I reckon that good moderation dictates that at least a list member or 2 can point a person to another list or group which can deal with a subject more efficiently, an example of this sort of thing might be playing music on a mobile phone, its easy to start talking then about accessibility with speech which can probably be handled better on a list which is dedicated to mobile phone accessibility so the least that can be done to try and be helpful to all concern is for someone to post details of that list. On 18/03/2012, at 2:53 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: What Jonathan or Jeff did is ancient history, relatively speaking of course. I don't believe in legacy management. That means I don't believe list moderators need to carry torches. It's your list now. You do with it as you like. You were not necessarily entrusted with the ownership of this list because either Jonathan or Jeff expected you to drive it in any particular direction, and there is certainly no provision for either of them taking the list away from you if they don't like how you're running it. At least, I don't think there is (LOL). Bottom line, it's your toy and you're letting us play with it. Make whatever rule you like with the full confidence that you should definitely have in doing such. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay. I run a few lists of my own, small ones, just a few hundred subscribers each, which have spawned, or spun off if you prefer, other lists on side issues and threads of which I don't
Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner
What Jonathan or Jeff did is ancient history, relatively speaking of course. I don't believe in legacy management. That means I don't believe list moderators need to carry torches. It's your list now. You do with it as you like. You were not necessarily entrusted with the ownership of this list because either Jonathan or Jeff expected you to drive it in any particular direction, and there is certainly no provision for either of them taking the list away from you if they don't like how you're running it. At least, I don't think there is (LOL). Bottom line, it's your toy and you're letting us play with it. Make whatever rule you like with the full confidence that you should definitely have in doing such. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay. I run a few lists of my own, small ones, just a few hundred subscribers each, which have spawned, or spun off if you prefer, other lists on side issues and threads of which I don't tolerate discussion on my list, and that's both my and my subscribers' prerogative. As you pointed out, the list of devices for recording and playing audio whilst connected to a PC is now far longer in lo these dozen short years, and you've also no doubt noticed there are lots of lists for the discussion of those devices. Bottom line, like I said before, it's up to you how you want to drive your own list, and it's up to us whether we want to stay with it or move on. No harm, no foul, as they say. And, as I say, that's why there's Coke and Pepsi--always choices. On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:31:53 -0500, you wrote: I appreciate the comments some subscribers to this e-mail list have made regarding what is and what is not on topic for this list, and I thank you for your input. You may or may not know that Jonathan Mosen started this list many years ago. I'm not sure when, but it was around 1999. After a few years Jonathan no longer wanted to be moderator so he turned it over to Jeff Harris. I'm pretty sure that Jeff is the one who obtained the domain name and took care of the web hosting site, at ultrahost.us. After another few years Jeff no longer wanted the list so Jonathan again became the list owner and moderator. Again, my memory is a bit fuzzy on the time interval, but it was perhaps five or six years ago when Jonathan asked for volunteers to take ownership and moderating the list and, I'm not sure why, but he chose me from those who responded. I did not write the guidelines for what is appropriate to be posted to the list. It was either Jonathan or Jeff. It's a difficult decision to make as to what is appropriate for the list and what is not. When the guidelines were written, there weren't devices such as iPods, iPhones, Humanware or Victor Streams. Discussing cell phones has been off topic on this list for a long time. Jonathan even has, or had, a list for these discussions. Since the traffic on the list is still rather small, I think we'll just see how subjects and issues play out. Any comments regarding the content of the list will be appreciated. I do pay a fee every year for the domain name and web hosting space so I take the list seriously and I want it to be whatever the majority of list members prefer. My e-mail address is: t...@pc-audio.org Thanks for reading, if you did! Tom To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Message From The PC Audio E-mail List owner
The best statement I've heard yet so thanks Steve for posting. As far as I'm concerned Mr Moderator, you're doing a damn good job at moderation and thank you for posting to the list, I'd rather hear from the moderators themselves than pretend list cops, why is it that all the Christopher's I know are an absolute pain in the behind to deal with smile. Anyway back to the subject in hand, this list has a wide scope of messages on it at anyone time and some of these threads do start off on the right subject but can lead to others which aren't appropriate for the list perhaps? Well in such cases I reckon that good moderation dictates that at least a list member or 2 can point a person to another list or group which can deal with a subject more efficiently, an example of this sort of thing might be playing music on a mobile phone, its easy to start talking then about accessibility with speech which can probably be handled better on a list which is dedicated to mobile phone accessibility so the least that can be done to try and be helpful to all concern is for someone to post details of that list. On 18/03/2012, at 2:53 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: What Jonathan or Jeff did is ancient history, relatively speaking of course. I don't believe in legacy management. That means I don't believe list moderators need to carry torches. It's your list now. You do with it as you like. You were not necessarily entrusted with the ownership of this list because either Jonathan or Jeff expected you to drive it in any particular direction, and there is certainly no provision for either of them taking the list away from you if they don't like how you're running it. At least, I don't think there is (LOL). Bottom line, it's your toy and you're letting us play with it. Make whatever rule you like with the full confidence that you should definitely have in doing such. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay. I run a few lists of my own, small ones, just a few hundred subscribers each, which have spawned, or spun off if you prefer, other lists on side issues and threads of which I don't tolerate discussion on my list, and that's both my and my subscribers' prerogative. As you pointed out, the list of devices for recording and playing audio whilst connected to a PC is now far longer in lo these dozen short years, and you've also no doubt noticed there are lots of lists for the discussion of those devices. Bottom line, like I said before, it's up to you how you want to drive your own list, and it's up to us whether we want to stay with it or move on. No harm, no foul, as they say. And, as I say, that's why there's Coke and Pepsi--always choices. On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:31:53 -0500, you wrote: I appreciate the comments some subscribers to this e-mail list have made regarding what is and what is not on topic for this list, and I thank you for your input. You may or may not know that Jonathan Mosen started this list many years ago. I'm not sure when, but it was around 1999. After a few years Jonathan no longer wanted to be moderator so he turned it over to Jeff Harris. I'm pretty sure that Jeff is the one who obtained the domain name and took care of the web hosting site, at ultrahost.us. After another few years Jeff no longer wanted the list so Jonathan again became the list owner and moderator. Again, my memory is a bit fuzzy on the time interval, but it was perhaps five or six years ago when Jonathan asked for volunteers to take ownership and moderating the list and, I'm not sure why, but he chose me from those who responded. I did not write the guidelines for what is appropriate to be posted to the list. It was either Jonathan or Jeff. It's a difficult decision to make as to what is appropriate for the list and what is not. When the guidelines were written, there weren't devices such as iPods, iPhones, Humanware or Victor Streams. Discussing cell phones has been off topic on this list for a long time. Jonathan even has, or had, a list for these discussions. Since the traffic on the list is still rather small, I think we'll just see how subjects and issues play out. Any comments regarding the content of the list will be appreciated. I do pay a fee every year for the domain name and web hosting space so I take the list seriously and I want it to be whatever the majority of list members prefer. My e-mail address is: t...@pc-audio.org Thanks for reading, if you did! Tom To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Thanks tom for this. It's a great list and I for ome appreciate its existence and its contributors. Of course your good self for keeping it running. Take care, Joe |Paton At 22:31 16/03/2012, you wrote: I appreciate the comments some subscribers to this e-mail list have made regarding what is and what is not on topic for this list, and I thank you for your input. You may or may not know that Jonathan Mosen started this list many years ago. I'm not sure when, but it was around 1999. After a few years Jonathan no longer wanted to be moderator so he turned it over to Jeff Harris. I'm pretty sure that Jeff is the one who obtained the domain name and took care of the web hosting site, at ultrahost.us. After another few years Jeff no longer wanted the list so Jonathan again became the list owner and moderator. Again, my memory is a bit fuzzy on the time interval, but it was perhaps five or six years ago when Jonathan asked for volunteers to take ownership and moderating the list and, I'm not sure why, but he chose me from those who responded. I did not write the guidelines for what is appropriate to be posted to the list. It was either Jonathan or Jeff. It's a difficult decision to make as to what is appropriate for the list and what is not. When the guidelines were written, there weren't devices such as iPods, iPhones, Humanware or Victor Streams. Discussing cell phones has been off topic on this list for a long time. Jonathan even has, or had, a list for these discussions. Since the traffic on the list is still rather small, I think we'll just see how subjects and issues play out. Any comments regarding the content of the list will be appreciated. I do pay a fee every year for the domain name and web hosting space so I take the list seriously and I want it to be whatever the majority of list members prefer. My e-mail address is: t...@pc-audio.org Thanks for reading, if you did! Tom To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
