Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
I've heard far more destroyed by inattention to clipping. - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Good advice but I doubt too many people will follow it , I don’t know how many recordings I’ve heard ruined by Noise reduction when the thing wasn’t necessary to be used in the first place or applied in the wrong way. On 6 Jul 2015, at 9:52 pm, tim cumings wrote: Hi, gary. If by noise suppression you mean noise reduction, any noise reductions has to be used sparingly no matter what program you are using. On 7/5/2015 12:11 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: The first thing would be called noise supression and the second might be called peak hold. It's useful when you don't want to guess how loud a recording gets. Not having a check makes it easier to set the levels for maximum to what really happens in a recording that you want to transfer. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Hi, gary. I don't mean whatyou mean by quieting. You can check your levels in goldwave. On 7/4/2015 12:19 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it caught up? Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Good advice but I doubt too many people will follow it , I don’t know how many recordings I’ve heard ruined by Noise reduction when the thing wasn’t necessary to be used in the first place or applied in the wrong way. > On 6 Jul 2015, at 9:52 pm, tim cumings wrote: > > Hi, gary. If by noise suppression you mean noise reduction, any noise > reductions has to be used sparingly no matter what program you are using. > > On 7/5/2015 12:11 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: >> The first thing would be called noise supression and the second might be >> called peak hold. It's useful when you don't want to guess how loud a >> recording gets. Not having a check makes it easier to set the levels for >> maximum to what really happens in a recording that you want to transfer. >> >> Thanks. >> - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 3:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio >> Daily >> >> >>>Hi, gary. I don't mean whatyou mean by quieting. >>> >>> >>> You can check your levels in goldwave. >>> On 7/4/2015 12:19 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: >>>> Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the >>>> talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was >>>> level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it >>>> caught up? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio >>>> Daily >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I >>>>> use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as >>>>> tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is >>>>> simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for >>>>> example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently >>>>> that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc >>>>> editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and >>>>> whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, >>>>> etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that >>>>>> I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different >>>>>> files. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>>>>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >>>>>>> them with it too like with SF? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>>>> Studio Daily >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>>>>>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>>>>>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond >>>>>>> hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and >>>>>>> they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software >>>>>>> are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on >>>>>>> anything that actually works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and >>>>>>> I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where >>>>>>> the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Hi, gary. If by noise suppression you mean noise reduction, any noise reductions has to be used sparingly no matter what program you are using. On 7/5/2015 12:11 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: The first thing would be called noise supression and the second might be called peak hold. It's useful when you don't want to guess how loud a recording gets. Not having a check makes it easier to set the levels for maximum to what really happens in a recording that you want to transfer. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Hi, gary. I don't mean whatyou mean by quieting. You can check your levels in goldwave. On 7/4/2015 12:19 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it caught up? Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Softwa
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
The first thing would be called noise supression and the second might be called peak hold. It's useful when you don't want to guess how loud a recording gets. Not having a check makes it easier to set the levels for maximum to what really happens in a recording that you want to transfer. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Hi, gary. I don't mean whatyou mean by quieting. You can check your levels in goldwave. On 7/4/2015 12:19 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it caught up? Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke,
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Well again you say "All The Talk" and I get back to my point I made earlier that people just become infatuated with a product or piece of software to the point that they're blinded to the competition, Winamp is another case in point, when Winamp ceased development anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the end of the world was near and I venture to say that - if for some unexplained reason Sony were to stop developing Sound Forge Pro - then we'd have poor blind souls marching in the streets. Now please bare in mind that I'm sighting examples here and I can see Sound Forge being round for quite some years to come, radio stations and other production houses do use it. On the question of levels? Well I've never needed to worry about those, all the computer input volumes are set to full so I just record sounds - mostly those sounds are from sources with fixed levels - but if I do encounter any level issues then I use the Normalise function, that's what its for. On 5/07/2015 5:24 AM, tim cumings wrote: Hi, gary. I don't mean whatyou mean by quieting. You can check your levels in goldwave. On 7/4/2015 12:19 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it caught up? Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge do
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Hi, gary. I don't mean whatyou mean by quieting. You can check your levels in goldwave. On 7/4/2015 12:19 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote: Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it caught up? Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly A
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Doesn't have quieting is a killer for me. Goldwave has that but all the talk said that it was inferior when I was buying. The other issue was level tracking which SF did better than Goldwave back then. Has it caught up? Thanks. - Original Message - From: "tim cumings" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and y
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Yeah I wander actually now on the subject of Pro-Tules how accessible the new one is because that's what sound designers use. Also it's the version that will do Dolby Atmos. I would love to hear a movie in Atmos. It's 62.2 surround sound in cinema, and at home you can at most do 9.1.2 surround sound. Isn't that so super epic? You now get stuff above your head. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 9:36 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily I’ll have to check that, was quite some time ago and I have to admit to not upgrading or paying any attention since I bought and used it for a little while. > On 2 Jul 2015, at 11:34 am, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > wrote: > > nice what version of protools? > > > On 7/1/2015 6:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. >> >> Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of >> Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. >> >> >> >> On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you >>> meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio >>> Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like >>> oo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just >>> call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard >>> none the less. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that >>> determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re >>> using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and >>> the connected audio Hardware. >>> >>> In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder >>> for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options >>> Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there >>> I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High >>> Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit >>> 192KHZ. >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me >>>> the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would >>>> only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they >>>> represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. >>>> >>>> Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of >>>> Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its >>>> not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total >>>> Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>>> I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. >>>>> Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 >>>>> Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM >>>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>>> Subject: RE: Re
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No, I wish. Actually I'd love a Sound-Devices USB Pre2. I love the sound of Sound Devices stuff. Remember Neal's recorder from Sound Devices? This interface which is $800 now sadly is based on those recorders. Same pre amps and stuff. Just like them, it'll do 192 KHZ 24 Bit audio. Which reminds me, What do you have that can do 192? The Fast Track can only do 96 KHZ. Whichh is cool too don't get me wrong. But why not go full blast if you can. Right? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 9:24 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you > meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio Fastrack > are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like oo fancy > shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just call it that? A > soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard none the less. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that > determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re > using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and > the connected audio Hardware. > > In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder for > this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options Menu > and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there I’d > select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High > Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit 192KHZ. > > >> On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: >> >> Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the >> link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do >> 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >> Studio Daily >> >> Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they >> represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. >> >> Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of >> Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its >> not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder >> if you look under Recording Source etc. >> >> >> >> On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. >>> Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit >>> recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Steve Jacobson >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM >>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>> Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> Dane and others, >>> >>> This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious >>> discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started >>> out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also >>> 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was >>> pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything >>> differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched >>> to Sound Forge. >>> >>> While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound >>> Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new vers
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can you please check and let me know? my curiousity has been peaked On 7/1/2015 6:36 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I’ll have to check that, was quite some time ago and I have to admit to not upgrading or paying any attention since I bought and used it for a little while. On 2 Jul 2015, at 11:34 am, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote: nice what version of protools? On 7/1/2015 6:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like oo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard none the less. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and the connected audio Hardware. In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit 192KHZ. On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Dane and others, This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days ba
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I’ll have to check that, was quite some time ago and I have to admit to not upgrading or paying any attention since I bought and used it for a little while. > On 2 Jul 2015, at 11:34 am, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > wrote: > > nice what version of protools? > > > On 7/1/2015 6:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. >> >> Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of >> Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. >> >> >> >> On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you >>> meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio >>> Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like >>> oo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just >>> call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard >>> none the less. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio >>> Daily >>> >>> Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that >>> determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re >>> using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and >>> the connected audio Hardware. >>> >>> In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder >>> for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options >>> Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there >>> I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High >>> Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit >>> 192KHZ. >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me >>>> the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would >>>> only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they >>>> represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. >>>> >>>> Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of >>>> Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its >>>> not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total >>>> Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>>> I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. >>>>> Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 >>>>> Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM >>>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>>> Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>> Studio Daily >>>>> >>>>> Dane and others, >>>>> >>>>> This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious >>>>> discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I >>>>> started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 >>>>> and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and >>>>> it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed >>>>&g
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nice what version of protools? On 7/1/2015 6:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like oo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard none the less. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and the connected audio Hardware. In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit 192KHZ. On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Dane and others, This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand da
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
So you too have a Fastrak? Wonder if its the same model as mine. Bought mine several years ago, came with an extremely useful version of Pro-tools, accessible on both Windows PC and Mac. On 2/07/2015 11:20 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like oo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard none the less. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and the connected audio Hardware. In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit 192KHZ. On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Dane and others, This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the "expansion" I was told
RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Oh yeah I understand. Thanks for the clarification anyways. I knew what you meant by audio interface because that's what things like the MAudio Fastrack are called. I saw that on wwwsweetwater.com. So I was all like oo fancy shmancy word for a pro sound card. Then I said why not just call it that? A soundcard. For that's what it is. A pro 1 but a soundcard none the less. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and the connected audio Hardware. In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit 192KHZ. > On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the > link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do > 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - > Studio Daily > > Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they > represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. > > Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of > Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not > but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if > you look under Recording Source etc. > > > > On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. >> Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit >> recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Steve Jacobson >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >> Studio Daily >> >> Dane and others, >> >> This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious >> discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started >> out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 >> from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty >> accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently >> and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound >> Forge. >> >> While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound >> Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't >> make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also >> a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in >> money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new >> versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio >> editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is >> more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. >> >> Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking >> at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried >> something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but >> didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound >> Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't >> see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days >> back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I >> could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an >> expansion preset using an Op
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Just to clear up any confusion, its the audio device you’re using that determines what the quality of the audio will be thus the software you’re using - in this case Total Recorder - gets the information from Windows and the connected audio Hardware. In my case if I wish to record at 192K 24 bit I’d go into Total Recorder for this example, select Recording Source And Parameters from the Options Menu and then select the Hardware device I wish to record from, from there I’d select “Change” to set the recording format which would be to PCM High Quality and then I’d select the attributes from the combo box, 24 bit 192KHZ. > On 2 Jul 2015, at 10:36 am, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the > link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do > 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they > represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. > > Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of > Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not > but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if > you look under Recording Source etc. > > > > On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. >> Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit >> recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Steve Jacobson >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >> Studio Daily >> >> Dane and others, >> >> This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious >> discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started >> out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 >> from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty >> accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently >> and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound >> Forge. >> >> While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound >> Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't >> make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also >> a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in >> money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new >> versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio >> editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is >> more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. >> >> Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking >> at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried >> something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but >> didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound >> Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't >> see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days >> back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I >> could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an >> expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use >> that preset to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I >> didn't find that I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. >> In one case, the "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was >> for expanding the sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I >> got results with the Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I >> could not achieve with a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they >> didn't reduce noise, they did that very well. One of the four noise
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Yeah I had missed your previous message. Remind me of the web site for it again please? Gold Wave that is. I love how you can split files on the fly with it. Unlike with SF. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily I've never needed scripts for Goldwave and I've used it with Window-Eyes and NVDA. When you launch Goldwave your Screen Reader should announce, "Screen Reader Mode". On 2/07/2015 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > No Studio Recorder. Oooo, Gold Wave can handle multy channel now? Yip > yip yip yip yahoo. Actually meant to give it a try after Rick Harmon's > tutorials, but not sure if the scripts work with the demo. Or would you have > to buy Gold Wave first? Couldn't get it to work with out the scripts. Epic if > G Wave can do surround sound AKA multi channel now. How many channals? > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 2:19 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you, Goldwave - I assume you're > refering to here - does a whole heap of stuff and I do know it handles multi > channel audio - that is to distinguish between multi channel and multi track > -. > > > > On 2/07/2015 1:46 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> Also SR don't do surround sound. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim >> cumings >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >> Studio Daily >> >> If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use >> golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight >> edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply >> what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, >> who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the >> pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now >> studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge >> does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain >> editing it apparently works very well. >> . >> >> On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >>> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >>> different files. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >>>> them with it too like with SF? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping >>>> beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 >>>> and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >>>> out on anything that actually works. >>>> >>>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >>>> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note >>>> of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>>> >>>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >>>> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >>>> the rest of it. >>>> >>>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>>> about it earlier and
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Ah okay. Than who ever the dude that first told me about it and gave me the link to it was was wrong than. Cause who ever that was said it would only do 48 KHZ 16 bit which is a DVD. If it can do 192 yahoo . Even better. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:02 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, > it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit > recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Steve Jacobson > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - > Studio Daily > > Dane and others, > > This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious > discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started > out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 > from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty > accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently > and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. > > While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound > Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't > make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a > tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in > money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new > versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor > for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more > accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. > > Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at > details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried > something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't > do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge > gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see > offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back > that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could > find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion > preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset > to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that > I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the > "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was for expanding the > sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the > Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with > a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they > did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge > had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I > could not find anything that worked as well in that particular case. I > developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice > job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that sounds a lot > like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays compression and then > after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had similar > effects, but I could just never quite get the same results. > > So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is > the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I > keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, > and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been > said specifically is where there is a program that does everything
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I've never needed scripts for Goldwave and I've used it with Window-Eyes and NVDA. When you launch Goldwave your Screen Reader should announce, "Screen Reader Mode". On 2/07/2015 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: No Studio Recorder. Oooo, Gold Wave can handle multy channel now? Yip yip yip yip yahoo. Actually meant to give it a try after Rick Harmon's tutorials, but not sure if the scripts work with the demo. Or would you have to buy Gold Wave first? Couldn't get it to work with out the scripts. Epic if G Wave can do surround sound AKA multi channel now. How many channals? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 2:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you, Goldwave - I assume you're refering to here - does a whole heap of stuff and I do know it handles multi channel audio - that is to distinguish between multi channel and multi track -. On 2/07/2015 1:46 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Also SR don't do surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Okay firstly, you can redefine the shortcuts in Total Recorder so they represent something that you may be used to, I've done this myself. Second, Total Recorder's support of bit rates depends on what sort of Interface you're using, I can record in 24 bit 192K if required - and its not but its there all the same, you'll find all that stuff in Total Recorder if you look under Recording Source etc. On 2/07/2015 8:52 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Dane and others, This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was for expanding the sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I could not find anything that worked as well in that particular case. I developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that sounds a lot like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays compression and then after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had similar effects, but I could just never quite get the same results. So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been said specifically is where there is a program that does everything Sound Forge does for me and also does some of what Sound Forge does in a more accessible way. So SWave can edit as tightly. That is good to know, but what else does it do? Does anybody have experience with the latest version of Audition with the latest screen reader support for it? Is it worth a look? I tried it a while back and much of what was lost is now made accessible using MSAA or UIA, but I still found gaps. I took a close look at Audacity plug-ins a while back and I found a huge number of them. However, it seemed like many were made to deal with very specific problems, and in my searching, I didn't find anything that would dynamically expand audio, either accessible or not. It is fine to say there are many other options, and I woul
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No Studio Recorder. Oooo, Gold Wave can handle multy channel now? Yip yip yip yip yahoo. Actually meant to give it a try after Rick Harmon's tutorials, but not sure if the scripts work with the demo. Or would you have to buy Gold Wave first? Couldn't get it to work with out the scripts. Epic if G Wave can do surround sound AKA multi channel now. How many channals? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 2:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you, Goldwave - I assume you're refering to here - does a whole heap of stuff and I do know it handles multi channel audio - that is to distinguish between multi channel and multi track -. On 2/07/2015 1:46 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: > Also SR don't do surround sound. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim > cumings > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - > Studio Daily > > If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use > golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits > in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou > are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to > be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he > now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio > recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise > reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it > apparently works very well. > . > > On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >> different files. >> >> >> >> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >>> them with it too like with SF? >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping >>> beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 >>> and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >>> out on anything that actually works. >>> >>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >>> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note >>> of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>> >>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >>> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >>> the rest of it. >>> >>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a >>> fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him >>> credit for having the courage to try another product and just not >>> blindly follow on. >>> >>> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether >>> Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered >>> so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and >>>> it works very well. >>>> >>>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 >>>> and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite >>
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I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Dane and others, This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was for expanding the sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I could not find anything that worked as well in that particular case. I developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that sounds a lot like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays compression and then after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had similar effects, but I could just never quite get the same results. So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been said specifically is where there is a program that does everything Sound Forge does for me and also does some of what Sound Forge does in a more accessible way. So SWave can edit as tightly. That is good to know, but what else does it do? Does anybody have experience with the latest version of Audition with the latest screen reader support for it? Is it worth a look? I tried it a while back and much of what was lost is now made accessible using MSAA or UIA, but I still found gaps. I took a close look at Audacity plug-ins a while back and I found a huge number of them. However, it seemed like many were made to deal with very specific problems, and in my searching, I didn't find anything that would dynamically expand audio, either accessible or not. It is fine to say there are many other options, and I wouldn't argue with that at all. It's just that in my experience, it seems as though I would have to use many other options to do what I am managing to do with Sound Forge with all of its accessibility issues. I would like to hop onto another band wagon, especially if it was better and cheaper, but it would be helpful if we didn't each have to try five different programs to find out what each will or not do. Has anyone found Audacity plug-i
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Perhaps not. I just would like the pro 1 because I do want to be a movie sound designer some day, so I need the surround sound. Like I told you the other day to, I like the surround sound feature for fun too. I can edit DVD chapters I extract with DVD Audio Extracter with Pro. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Fair Points and I too have used Adobe Audition though it was quite some time back, I enjoyed the experience. I'm not totally anti Sound Forge either, I own Sound Forge Audio Studio, there are things I don't like about it, I'm not sure - knowing now what I didn't know when I bought it - I would have paid the money for it but having said all that, well it cost less than $100 and does perform quite well, I wonder to be honest whether Sound Forge Audio Studio might be all that most people would need if they're going to look at Sound Forge? A lot of people are fascinated with the "Pro" in a title, Sound Forge Pro and so on but having "Pro" as part of a name doesn't mean that its better or worse than the competition or doesn't mean that its going to work any better than a basic or cut down version of something for some users. On 2/07/2015 7:15 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Dane and others, > > This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious > discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started > out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 > from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty > accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently > and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. > > While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound > Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't > make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a > tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in > money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new > versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor > for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more > accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. > > Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at > details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried > something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't > do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge > gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see > offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back > that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could > find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion > preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset > to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that > I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the > "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was for expanding the > sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the > Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with > a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they > did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge > had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I > could not find anything that worked as well in that particular case. I > developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice > job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that sounds a lot > like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays compression and then > after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had similar > effects, but I could just never quite get the same results. > > So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is > the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I > keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, > and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been > said specifically is where there is a program that does everythin
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uldn't argue with that at all. It's just that in my experience, it seems as though I would have to use many other options to do what I am managing to do with Sound Forge with all of its accessibility issues. I would like to hop onto another band wagon, especially if it was better and cheaper, but it would be helpful if we didn't each have to try five different programs to find out what each will or not do. Has anyone found Audacity plug-ins that are particularly useful? What else does SWave do? I know that Total Recorder can record pretty much any audio that comes into a computer, can be set up for timed recording, and can be used to edit, but does it have other audio functions? Gold wave does a lot of things well. Can anyone who used Sound Forge and moved to Gold Wave talk about what is better and what isn't? It would be helpful to get some specifics from people who use various tools. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:08 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in Goldwave? Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly can do some very tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both those pieces of software have functions a plenty for tight editing. On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote: If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Me
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ls. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:08 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in Goldwave? Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly can do some very tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both those pieces of software have functions a plenty for tight editing. On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote: > If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor > I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just > as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of > it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan > Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, > told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for > most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the > bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to > use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very > well. > . > > On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >> different files. >> >> >> >> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >>> them with it too like with SF? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping >>> beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 >>> and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >>> out on anything that actually works. >>> >>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >>> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note >>> of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>> >>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >>> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >>> the rest of it. >>> >>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a >>> fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him >>> credit for having the courage to try another product and just not >>> blindly follow on. >>> >>> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether >>> Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered >>> so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and >>>> it works very well. >>>> >>>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 >>>> and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite >>>> me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>>> >>>> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's >>>> excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a >>>> good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my >>>> editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that >>>> Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. >>>> >>>> Brian Hartgen >>>> Hartgen Consultancy >>>> www.hartgen.org >>>> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >>>> Ph
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Thank you, I'm flattered . On 2/07/2015 4:24 AM, Johny Cassidy wrote: I need to unsubscribe from this list. Maybe smart arse Dane could point out how. www.twitter.com/johnycassidy On 1 Jul 2015, at 19:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you, Goldwave - I assume you're refering to here - does a whole heap of stuff and I do know it handles multi channel audio - that is to distinguish between multi channel and multi track -. On 2/07/2015 1:46 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Also SR don't do surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If
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I need to unsubscribe from this list. Maybe smart arse Dane could point out how. www.twitter.com/johnycassidy > On 1 Jul 2015, at 19:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you, Goldwave - I assume you're > refering to here - does a whole heap of stuff and I do know it handles multi > channel audio - that is to distinguish between multi channel and multi track > -. > > > >> On 2/07/2015 1:46 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> Also SR don't do surround sound. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim >> cumings >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >> >> If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use >> golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight >> edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply >> what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, >> who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the >> pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now >> studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge >> does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain >> editing it apparently works very well. >> . >> >>> On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >>> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >>> different files. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >>>> them with it too like with SF? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond >>>> hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and >>>> they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >>>> out on anything that actually works. >>>> >>>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >>>> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of >>>> user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>>> >>>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >>>> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >>>> the rest of it. >>>> >>>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>>> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune >>>> on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for >>>> having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow >>>> on. >>>> >>>> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind >>>> or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so >>>> we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>>>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and >>>>> it works very well. >>>>> >>>>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>>>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and >>>>> above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me >>>>> reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>>>> >>>>> On Windows, for
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I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you, Goldwave - I assume you're refering to here - does a whole heap of stuff and I do know it handles multi channel audio - that is to distinguish between multi channel and multi track -. On 2/07/2015 1:46 AM, Hamit Campos wrote: Also SR don't do surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I
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Of course you can, the chap who is making these unfortunate statements is - well to put it bluntly - a little unfortunate in that he invested all this time and money into Sound Forge and there confessed his loyalty to the software and doesn't want to admit that anything else cheaper is as good, yep that's the way it is . Well a word of advice to that chappy, the world changes as does software so you've a choice, try what's out there and look at alternatives or get left behind. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the developer of Goldwave has listened to feedback from users, that's why Goldwave has accessibility pretty much out of the box, I don't use the software with scripts or anything, that's why Goldwave has such an excellent feature set, has a really great and easy to use manual facility and so it goes. On 1/07/2015 10:06 PM, Peter Scanlon wrote: Yes I like it too. I also like that I can speed up reading of a audio file, or slow it. P. From: tim cumings Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total
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You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in Goldwave? Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly can do some very tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both those pieces of software have functions a plenty for tight editing. On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote: If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [m
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Also SR don't do surround sound. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:00 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know > that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to > different files. > > > > On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >> them with it too like with SF? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >> Studio Daily >> >> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond >> hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and >> they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >> out on anything that actually works. >> >> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of >> user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >> >> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >> the rest of it. >> >> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune >> on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for >> having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow >> on. >> >> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind >> or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so >> we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >> >> >> >> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and >>> it works very well. >>> >>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and >>> above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me >>> reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>> >>> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's >>> excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a >>> good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my >>> editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound >>> Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. >>> >>> Brian Hartgen >>> Hartgen Consultancy >>> www.hartgen.org >>> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >>> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >>> >>> JAWS Certified, 2015. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple >>> keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total >>> Recorder for example re
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Yes I like it too. I also like that I can speed up reading of a audio file, or slow it. P. From: tim cumings Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:00 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know > that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to > different files. > > > > On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >> them with it too like with SF? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >> Studio Daily >> >> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond >> hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and >> they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >> out on anything that actually works. >> >> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of >> user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >> >> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >> the rest of it. >> >> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune >> on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for >> having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow >> on. >> >> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind >> or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so >> we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >> >> >> >> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and >>> it works very well. >>> >>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and >>> above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me >>> reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>> >>> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's >>> excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a >>> good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my >>> editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound >>> Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. >>> >>> Brian Hartgen >>> Hartgen Consultancy >>> www.hartgen.org >>> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >>> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >>> >>> JAWS Certified, 2015. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple >>> keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total >>> Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, j
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If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very well. . On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to
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I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to different files. On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break them with it too like with SF? -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: > I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works > very well. > > On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is > nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have > serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to > Sony, they've not been fixed. > > On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and > allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of > tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite > give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. > > Brian Hartgen > Hartgen Consultancy > www.hartgen.org > Phone UK: 02920-850298. > Phone US: 415-871-0626 > > JAWS Certified, 2015. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - > Studio Daily > > If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then > you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example > records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the > Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. > > I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does > me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro > 11 a person without sight can make use of? > > If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, > editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with > audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. > > >> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >> >> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're >> capturing. >> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio >> Daily >> >> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >> >> -- >> >> ** >> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >> >> >> >> > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Another cool thing is it can open 7.1 files too. I've opened 5.1 files and broken them up into their separate channals AKA separate speakers. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily So you're telling me that the keyboard access is the only reason you bought Sound Forge Pro for? Many Many other audio editing packages have very good keyboard access and shortcuts including Studio Recorder, Total Recorder, Goldwave, Wavepad and so the list goes on and further to this, all these packages have facilities for customising the access. As I stated previously, many of the features and functions of Sound Forge 11 pro are purely visual and they don't have keyboard access to them. On 1/07/2015 11:02 AM, Peter Scanlon wrote: > The great thing about Sound Forge is all its keyboard access. > > P. > > > From: Dane Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:50 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun > -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so > much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that > everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not > looking to try anything new even though times and software are a > changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything > that actually works. > > Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I > doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the > developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user > feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. > > A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally > thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the > rest of it. > > I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about > it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on > Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having > the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. > > Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or > Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're > back to square one, why spend so much money? > > > > On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works >> very well. >> >> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is >> nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have >> serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to >> Sony, they've not been fixed. >> >> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and >> allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance >> of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not >> quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a >> lot. >> >> Brian Hartgen >> Hartgen Consultancy >> www.hartgen.org >> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >> >> JAWS Certified, 2015. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >> >> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then >> you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example >> records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the >> Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. >> >> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does >> me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge >> Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >> >> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, >> editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with >> audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >> >> >>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> >>> Epic, I&#
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Ah come on now, other editors do that too as standard, again Total Recorder, Goldwave and Studio Recorder are cases in point. Actually you do have a point there, you can edit by sample with Sound Forge but few people would even need to do that. On 1/07/2015 11:13 AM, Peter Scanlon wrote: Another reason. Sound forge gives very precise editing, down to 100th of second, From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily So you're telling me that the keyboard access is the only reason you bought Sound Forge Pro for? Many Many other audio editing packages have very good keyboard access and shortcuts including Studio Recorder, Total Recorder, Goldwave, Wavepad and so the list goes on and further to this, all these packages have facilities for customising the access. As I stated previously, many of the features and functions of Sound Forge 11 pro are purely visual and they don't have keyboard access to them. On 1/07/2015 11:02 AM, Peter Scanlon wrote: The great thing about Sound Forge is all its keyboard access. P. From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:50 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-
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Another reason. Sound forge gives very precise editing, down to 100th of second, From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:09 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily So you're telling me that the keyboard access is the only reason you bought Sound Forge Pro for? Many Many other audio editing packages have very good keyboard access and shortcuts including Studio Recorder, Total Recorder, Goldwave, Wavepad and so the list goes on and further to this, all these packages have facilities for customising the access. As I stated previously, many of the features and functions of Sound Forge 11 pro are purely visual and they don't have keyboard access to them. On 1/07/2015 11:02 AM, Peter Scanlon wrote: > The great thing about Sound Forge is all its keyboard access. > > P. > > > From: Dane Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:50 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun > -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so > much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that > everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not > looking to try anything new even though times and software are a > changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything > that actually works. > > Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I > doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the > developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user > feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. > > A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally > thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the > rest of it. > > I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about > it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on > Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having > the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. > > Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or > Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're > back to square one, why spend so much money? > > > > On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works >> very well. >> >> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is >> nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have >> serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to >> Sony, they've not been fixed. >> >> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and >> allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance >> of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not >> quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a >> lot. >> >> Brian Hartgen >> Hartgen Consultancy >> www.hartgen.org >> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >> >> JAWS Certified, 2015. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >> >> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then >> you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example >> records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the >> Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. >> >> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does >> me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge >> Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >> >> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, >> editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with >> audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >> >> >>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> >>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're >>> capturing. >>> I love it. Can't wait for
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So you're telling me that the keyboard access is the only reason you bought Sound Forge Pro for? Many Many other audio editing packages have very good keyboard access and shortcuts including Studio Recorder, Total Recorder, Goldwave, Wavepad and so the list goes on and further to this, all these packages have facilities for customising the access. As I stated previously, many of the features and functions of Sound Forge 11 pro are purely visual and they don't have keyboard access to them. On 1/07/2015 11:02 AM, Peter Scanlon wrote: The great thing about Sound Forge is all its keyboard access. P. From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:50 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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The great thing about Sound Forge is all its keyboard access. P. From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:50 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: > I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works > very well. > > On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is > nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have > serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to > Sony, they've not been fixed. > > On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and > allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of > tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite > give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. > > Brian Hartgen > Hartgen Consultancy > www.hartgen.org > Phone UK: 02920-850298. > Phone US: 415-871-0626 > > JAWS Certified, 2015. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then > you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example > records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the > Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. > > I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does > me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro > 11 a person without sight can make use of? > > If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, > editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with > audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. > > >> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >> >> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're >> capturing. >> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >> Trethowan >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >> >> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >> >> -- >> >> ** >> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >> >> >> >> > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss out on anything that actually works. Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all the rest of it. I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him credit for having the courage to try another product and just not blindly follow on. Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Brian, I am using Sony Sound Forge 11, and I definitely see some issues, particularly with plug-ins, that make it less accessible. However, would you mind talking about what else doesn't work as well in Sound Forge 11? It is nice to know when a difficulty I'm having is my fault or when I can blame Sony. Also, I am not always sure when something might be due to a screen reader limitation. For example, I am having some trouble selecting audio with Mark in and Mark Out in that they just don't seem to take effect sometimes. Something is probably happening visually that is pretty self-explanatory, but it goes right past me. I do not remember having a similar problem with older versions of Sound Forge, but it doesn't seem likely this is an accessibility thing. Finally, I have worked some to dynamically expand audio to try to decompress some old DBX recordings where I don't have a functioning DBX encoder/decoder. I do not see any way to expand audio with any version of Sound Forge without graphically manipulating the envelope. I have managed to do that with the help of an Optacon, but it wasn't easy. Have you found other ways of accomplishing dynamic expansion with any version of Sound Forge? Best regards, Steve Jacobson Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Hartgen Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 2:35 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. > On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're > capturing. > I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ > > -- > > ** > Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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I wouldn't expect a script developer to say anything less but the fact still remains that the latest version of Sound Forge has a whole heap of stuff that is very visual, features and functions that rely on colour coding to idetnfiy what's going on etc, something that even the best Screen Reading technology can't help you with unless the user is prepared to do some pretty time consuming and complex work thus wasting heaps of time. On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
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Yep, Studio recorder is another one. I think it worked a lot like the older versions of Sound Forge did where you use the brackets to mark your selections. I think it is the only one that does automatic pause reduction, but I hope I'm wrong on that by now. - Original Message - From: "Steve Nutt" To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 2:55 AM Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Hi, No, it's Studio Recorder. And yes, i agree it has some pretty neat features for editing. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: st...@comproom.co.uk Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 29 June 2015 08:51 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Do I like what better, are you referring to Total Recorder? If so I like both Total Recorder and Goldwave, both have excellent sound editors. I’m on the record as having said that if a person bought both Total Recorder and Goldwave then they would have pretty much all the audio production and editing tools required in their basket. I’m not denying there’s a place for Sound Forge 11 Pro but not for the typical user of audio, that’s just overkill and even worse, - it seems still - a lot of Sound Forge isn’t accessible and probably will never be. Another audio tool that is often overlooked though well respected by list members - including yours truly - is Sound Recording Studio, I think I got the name right, the one marketed by American Printing House For The Blind. On 29 Jun 2015, at 5:35 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Do you like it better than goldwave? Dane Trethowan wrote: If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
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Thanks a bundle . > On 29 Jun 2015, at 5:55 pm, Steve Nutt wrote: > > Hi, > > No, it's Studio Recorder. And yes, i agree it has some pretty neat features > for editing. > > All the best > > Steve > > -- > Computer Room Services > 77 Exeter Close > Stevenage > Hertfordshire > SG1 4PW > Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 > Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 > Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 > Email: st...@comproom.co.uk > Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: 29 June 2015 08:51 > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > Do I like what better, are you referring to Total Recorder? > > If so I like both Total Recorder and Goldwave, both have excellent sound > editors. > > I’m on the record as having said that if a person bought both Total Recorder > and Goldwave then they would have pretty much all the audio production and > editing tools required in their basket. > > I’m not denying there’s a place for Sound Forge 11 Pro but not for the > typical user of audio, that’s just overkill and even worse, - it seems still > - a lot of Sound Forge isn’t accessible and probably will never be. > > Another audio tool that is often overlooked though well respected by list > members - including yours truly - is Sound Recording Studio, I think I got > the name right, the one marketed by American Printing House For The Blind. > > >> On 29 Jun 2015, at 5:35 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: >> >> Do you like it better than goldwave? >> >> Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke >>> then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for >>> example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within >>> the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. >>> >>> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio >>> does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound >>> Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >>> >>> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, >>> editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with >>> audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >>> >>> >>>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>> >>>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and >>>> you're capturing. >>>> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>>> Trethowan >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >>>> >>>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ** >>>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >>John Covici >>cov...@ccs.covici.com >> > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Hi, No, it's Studio Recorder. And yes, i agree it has some pretty neat features for editing. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: st...@comproom.co.uk Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 29 June 2015 08:51 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Do I like what better, are you referring to Total Recorder? If so I like both Total Recorder and Goldwave, both have excellent sound editors. I’m on the record as having said that if a person bought both Total Recorder and Goldwave then they would have pretty much all the audio production and editing tools required in their basket. I’m not denying there’s a place for Sound Forge 11 Pro but not for the typical user of audio, that’s just overkill and even worse, - it seems still - a lot of Sound Forge isn’t accessible and probably will never be. Another audio tool that is often overlooked though well respected by list members - including yours truly - is Sound Recording Studio, I think I got the name right, the one marketed by American Printing House For The Blind. > On 29 Jun 2015, at 5:35 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Do you like it better than goldwave? > > Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then >> you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example >> records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the >> Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. >> >> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does >> me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge >> Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >> >> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, >> editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with >> audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >> >> >>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> >>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're >>> capturing. >>> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >>> >>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ** >>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > cov...@ccs.covici.com > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Do I like what better, are you referring to Total Recorder? If so I like both Total Recorder and Goldwave, both have excellent sound editors. I’m on the record as having said that if a person bought both Total Recorder and Goldwave then they would have pretty much all the audio production and editing tools required in their basket. I’m not denying there’s a place for Sound Forge 11 Pro but not for the typical user of audio, that’s just overkill and even worse, - it seems still - a lot of Sound Forge isn’t accessible and probably will never be. Another audio tool that is often overlooked though well respected by list members - including yours truly - is Sound Recording Studio, I think I got the name right, the one marketed by American Printing House For The Blind. > On 29 Jun 2015, at 5:35 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Do you like it better than goldwave? > > Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then >> you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example >> records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the >> Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. >> >> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does >> me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge >> Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >> >> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, >> editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with >> audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >> >> >>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> >>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're >>> capturing. >>> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane >>> Trethowan >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily >>> >>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ** >>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > cov...@ccs.covici.com > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Do you like it better than goldwave? Dane Trethowan wrote: > If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then > you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example > records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the > Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. > > I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does > me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro > 11 a person without sight can make use of? > > If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, > editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with > audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. > > > > On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: > > > > Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're > > capturing. > > I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. > > -Original Message- > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > > Trethowan > > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM > > To: PC Audio Discussion List > > Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > > > http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ > > > > -- > > > > ** > > Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves > > > > > > > > > > ** > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the > halfwits in this world behind. > > > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and it works very well. On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. Brian Hartgen Hartgen Consultancy www.hartgen.org Phone UK: 02920-850298. Phone US: 415-871-0626 JAWS Certified, 2015. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. > On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're > capturing. > I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ > > -- > > ** > Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted, Total Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to record from anywhere. I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. > On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos wrote: > > Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're > capturing. > I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily > > http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ > > -- > > ** > Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves > > > > ** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind.
RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke and you're capturing. I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ -- ** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
