Re: The Future of Winamp
Hi! Vlc and foobar is still being updated. Though i haven't tested them in a long time now since i am on a mac. /A > 17 feb 2015 kl. 21:51 skrev Joe Paton : > > Steve, > > I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to > handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio player > that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? > > Cheers for now > > JOe > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 > Steve Pattison wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of > Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was > taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to > the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future > of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to > think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that > development of Winamp has been abandoned. > > I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 > and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of > the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes > scripts. > > Regards Steve. > > -- > Joe Paton > >
Re: The Future of Winamp
I don't think too many new audio formats are going to come out. It probably would be protocols to deliver internet streaming that could change from Shoutcast and Icecast over time, but I think it should still be available on Winamp.com. - Original Message - From: "Joe Paton" To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Steve, I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio player that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? Cheers for now JOe On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve. -- Joe Paton
RE: The Future of Winamp
Well, I have been a foobar2000 user for over 4 years. Though I still use winamp, I'm not worried! If you haven't tried foobar yet, here is a site to help with those winamp withdrawals. http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/ Yes, as always, there are a few bumps in the road, but they're easy to get over. For example, Foobar2000 does not come with a complete list of shortcut keys, but you can set up your own shortcut keys for every single command in the program. And, one thing that foobar2000 has that winamp has never used, multiple playlists, or tabs, in the same window. You can even cut copy and paste between all playlist tabs. If the Winamp ship is sinking, you might want to take a look! Hth Brett -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:40 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp yup On 2/17/2015 2:17 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: > Hank: Thanks for that! So I guess as long as Ninite is still around, > then we'll be in luck! > Tom Kaufman > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:15 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > yes I got mine from ninite > > On 2/17/2015 2:09 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: >> The other thing is, if something happens and I lose my version of >> Winamp, > is >> it still possible to get the last version that came out? >> Tom Kaufman >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Joe > Paton >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:51 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp >> >> Steve, >> >> I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to >> use > to >> handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an >> audio player that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? >> >> Cheers for now >> >> JOe >> >> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 >> Steve Pattison wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future >> development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 >> just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com >> and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a >> few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no >> response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though >> there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. >> >> I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as > Foobar2000 >> and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly >> because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used >> with the Window-Eyes scripts. >> >> Regards Steve. >> > >
Re: The Future of Winamp
Hi Tom and all, Regarding the installer for Winamp one thing I have done for a very long time is to save all the installers of the programs I use on two external hard disks. The reason I do this on two disks is that if one disk fails I'll still have a copy of the installers as it is unlikely that both hard disks will fail at the same time. I also save the serial numbers of any software I buy on those same hard disks. This has helped me tremendously a few times when I've had to format my hard disk or put software on to a new computer. If you have all the installers and serial numbers it means that you don't have to download all the software again and that saves a huge amount of time and frustration! Also you don't have the problem of recovering a lost serial number of any software you have purchased. I just checked and Winamp can still be downloaded from www.majorgeeks.com and probably many other places as well. Just download and save the installer and you'll have a copy if you ever need to install it again for any reason. Regards Steve. On 18/02/2015 8:09 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote: The other thing is, if something happens and I lose my version of Winamp, is it still possible to get the last version that came out?
Re: The Future of Winamp
yup On 2/17/2015 2:17 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: Hank: Thanks for that! So I guess as long as Ninite is still around, then we'll be in luck! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp yes I got mine from ninite On 2/17/2015 2:09 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: The other thing is, if something happens and I lose my version of Winamp, is it still possible to get the last version that came out? Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Paton Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Steve, I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio player that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? Cheers for now JOe On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
Re: The Future of Winamp
No I don’t think you can perchas them now. Also using SPL as a player is over the top. SPL does much more than play files. P. From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:52 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp can you even still purcahse the sam encoders? if so how much? thought they discontinued the encoders. On 2/17/2015 12:48 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: > Hi Steve, > I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with > a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station > Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice > up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for > broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built right > in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install > yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when > You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary > plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more > about it here: > http://www.stationplaylist.com > Mike > Rochester, NY. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Pattison > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM > To: PC Audio > Subject: The Future of Winamp > > Hi all, > > Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development > of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before > Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and > www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few > weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I > hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been > promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been > abandoned. > > I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as > Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is > mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is > used with the Window-Eyes scripts. > > Regards Steve. > > >
RE: The Future of Winamp
Hank: Thanks for that! So I guess as long as Ninite is still around, then we'll be in luck! Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp yes I got mine from ninite On 2/17/2015 2:09 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: > The other thing is, if something happens and I lose my version of Winamp, is > it still possible to get the last version that came out? > Tom Kaufman > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Paton > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:51 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > Steve, > > I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to > handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio > player > that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? > > Cheers for now > > JOe > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 > Steve Pattison wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of > Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp > was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I > wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about > the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm > starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of > Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. > > I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 > and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because > of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the > Window-Eyes scripts. > > Regards Steve. >
Re: The Future of Winamp
yes I got mine from ninite On 2/17/2015 2:09 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: The other thing is, if something happens and I lose my version of Winamp, is it still possible to get the last version that came out? Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Paton Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Steve, I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio player that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? Cheers for now JOe On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
RE: The Future of Winamp
The other thing is, if something happens and I lose my version of Winamp, is it still possible to get the last version that came out? Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Paton Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:51 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Steve, I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio player that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? Cheers for now JOe On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve. -- Joe Paton
RE: The Future of Winamp
I miss the Auto-Tagger in Winamp (unless I know exactly the track titles and such, there is no way that I know of to get the information; even when I find out, then one must do it manually! Outside of that, I still will continue to use Winamp as my "player of choice!" Tom Kaufman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:23 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp I mostly agree with this. The chief problem I've had with not having an update to Winamp is that it doesn't know what CDs are anymore, except those newer ones that have their track data embeded in the CD itself. I have gotten some of those recently. But most CDs still come back Unknown when I try to rip them with Winamp. However, now that I've found a CD ripper that usually does know what it's ripping, and that works very well, (EZ CD Audio Converter), not being able to do it with Winamp is not such an issue anymore. So it would be nice to see that someone was behind the program, but it doesn't matter as much to me now as it used to. As long as it keeps working I'll keep using it for what it can do. Evan -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Well, I figure as long as it works, why add anything new? I think it works beautifully with the window-eyes scripts. Unless someone comes up with a feature that we just gotta have, i'm happy with it staying the way it is. On 2/17/2015 1:50 PM, Steve Pattison wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of > Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp > was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I > wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about > the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm > starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of > Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. > > I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as > Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is > mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used > with the Window-Eyes scripts. > > Regards Steve. > >
Re: The Future of Winamp
Steve, I have used winamp for years, and love it. But my worry is, what to use to handle new streaming formats as they are implemented? Is there an audio player that handles as many diverse filetypes as winamp? Cheers for now JOe On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:43 +1100 Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve. -- Joe Paton
Re: The Future of Winamp
I mostly agree with this. The chief problem I've had with not having an update to Winamp is that it doesn't know what CDs are anymore, except those newer ones that have their track data embeded in the CD itself. I have gotten some of those recently. But most CDs still come back Unknown when I try to rip them with Winamp. However, now that I've found a CD ripper that usually does know what it's ripping, and that works very well, (EZ CD Audio Converter), not being able to do it with Winamp is not such an issue anymore. So it would be nice to see that someone was behind the program, but it doesn't matter as much to me now as it used to. As long as it keeps working I'll keep using it for what it can do. Evan -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Well, I figure as long as it works, why add anything new? I think it works beautifully with the window-eyes scripts. Unless someone comes up with a feature that we just gotta have, i'm happy with it staying the way it is. On 2/17/2015 1:50 PM, Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
RE: The Future of Winamp
Not sure. If you'd like, I could email them to you Hank. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp is there a way to purcahse the older encoders/ or am I out of luck? On 2/17/2015 1:07 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: > Yes, they actually did discontinued them. I got my copy along with the > associated xml file through someone else who still uses them today. They've > got version 3.8.3. > Mike > Rochester, NY. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank > Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:53 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > can you even still purcahse the sam encoders? > if so how much? > thought they discontinued the encoders. > On 2/17/2015 12:48 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with >> a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station >> Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice >> up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for >> broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built >> right in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install >> yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when >>You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary >> plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more >> about it here: >> http://www.stationplaylist.com >> Mike >> Rochester, NY. >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve >> Pattison >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM >> To: PC Audio >> Subject: The Future of Winamp >> >> Hi all, >> >> Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development >> of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before >> Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and >> www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few >> weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I >> hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been >> promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been >> abandoned. >> >> I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as >> Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is >> mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is >> used with the Window-Eyes scripts. >> >> Regards Steve. >> >> >> > > >
Re: The Future of Winamp
if you could please it would be appreciated email: hank.smith...@gmail.com On 2/17/2015 1:13 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: Not sure. If you'd like, I could email them to you Hank. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp is there a way to purcahse the older encoders/ or am I out of luck? On 2/17/2015 1:07 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: Yes, they actually did discontinued them. I got my copy along with the associated xml file through someone else who still uses them today. They've got version 3.8.3. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:53 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp can you even still purcahse the sam encoders? if so how much? thought they discontinued the encoders. On 2/17/2015 12:48 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: Hi Steve, I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built right in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more about it here: http://www.stationplaylist.com Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Subject: The Future of Winamp Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
Re: The Future of Winamp
is there a way to purcahse the older encoders/ or am I out of luck? On 2/17/2015 1:07 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: Yes, they actually did discontinued them. I got my copy along with the associated xml file through someone else who still uses them today. They've got version 3.8.3. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:53 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp can you even still purcahse the sam encoders? if so how much? thought they discontinued the encoders. On 2/17/2015 12:48 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: Hi Steve, I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built right in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more about it here: http://www.stationplaylist.com Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Subject: The Future of Winamp Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
RE: The Future of Winamp
Yes, they actually did discontinued them. I got my copy along with the associated xml file through someone else who still uses them today. They've got version 3.8.3. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:53 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp can you even still purcahse the sam encoders? if so how much? thought they discontinued the encoders. On 2/17/2015 12:48 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: > Hi Steve, > I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with > a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station > Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice > up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for > broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built right > in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install > yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when > You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary > plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more > about it here: > http://www.stationplaylist.com > Mike > Rochester, NY. > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Pattison > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM > To: PC Audio > Subject: The Future of Winamp > > Hi all, > > Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development > of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before > Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and > www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few > weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I > hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been > promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been > abandoned. > > I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as > Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is > mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is > used with the Window-Eyes scripts. > > Regards Steve. > > >
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can you even still purcahse the sam encoders? if so how much? thought they discontinued the encoders. On 2/17/2015 12:48 PM, Mike Bernard wrote: Hi Steve, I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built right in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more about it here: http://www.stationplaylist.com Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Subject: The Future of Winamp Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
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Hi Steve, I certainly haven't heard anything on my end. Maybe they'll surprise us with a new upgrade sometime in the near future. If not, I've heard that Station Playlist Studio is very good. It has many plugins that you can use to spice up your audio projects, and if you ever decided to, you can also use it for broadcasting. Unlike Winamp, Station Playlist has all its plugins built right in. Except for the sam encoders of course, which you'd have to install yourself. In fact, if you already have them, if you got studio, when You startup the program, it will automatically grab all the necessary plugins it needs from your Winamp folder and copy them. You can read more about it here: http://www.stationplaylist.com Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:51 PM To: PC Audio Subject: The Future of Winamp Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
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Well, I figure as long as it works, why add anything new? I think it works beautifully with the window-eyes scripts. Unless someone comes up with a feature that we just gotta have, i'm happy with it staying the way it is. On 2/17/2015 1:50 PM, Steve Pattison wrote: Hi all, Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about the future development of Winamp? The last version came out in mid December 2013 just before Winamp was taken over by Radionomy. See www.radionomy.com and www.winamp.com. I wrote to the developers of Winamp on Twitter a few weeks ago asking about the future of Winamp and received no response. I hope I'm wrong but I'm starting to think even though there have been promises of new versions of Winamp that development of Winamp has been abandoned. I know that there are plenty of other good audio players such as Foobar2000 and VLC media player available. the reason I like Winamp is mainly because of the extra functionality added to Winamp when it is used with the Window-Eyes scripts. Regards Steve.
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Hi Bruce! That's why I said I am careful about recommending something to people. It always depends on what works for your own needs. It would be interesting to write to the developers with the queries you mention and here what they say. It would be interesting to watch the development of this thing and see where it goes. Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: 16 November 2004 01:21 To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: RE: The Future of Winamp Well, the reason I asked wasn't to undermine you. I just feel no need to switch to another program, but at the same time if this other program is going to give me something that Winamp doesn't, I want to know about it. But since MP3 Pro is a very important requisite for me, that pretty much decides it. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Andre van Deventer wrote: > Hi Bruce > > I simply like the feel of the thing more than winamp. I like the way > you can work with the menus or shortcuts whichever you choose. > > I am always careful about recommending things to people! It does what I > want it to do. It feels more like a windows programme to me than winamp. > The best thing may be to try to use it and see what happens. > > Andre > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Bruce Toews > Sent: 15 November 2004 01:12 PM > To: PC audio discussion list. > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > Can you tell me this? Would you recommend it instead of Winamp? And if > so, why? > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Toews > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site > (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For > the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Anders Holmberg wrote: > >> Hello! >> Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the >> usual formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. >> You can check out more things at: >> http.//www.foobar200.com. >> /Anders. >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM >> Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp >> >> >>> >>>>>> Or change to foobar2000. >>> >>> >>> So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? >>> >>> Peter S. >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> ___ >> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Anders. Thanks for that, but I've never heard of that player. - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Hello! Or change to foobar2000. Its a very nice litle fast player. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp It may be a good idea to write AOL, but as Marty stated, even if they don't make future versions of Winamp, we can still get the benefits of using the latest versions we have now. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp >Are people writing AOL? > I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers > hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about the > legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. > I am willing to write and call on this issue. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > >> It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If >> they >> stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if > we >> can use it. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM >> Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp >> >> >> > *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** >> > On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little >> > nullsoft >> > company? amazing! just amazing! >> > >> > If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that >> > does >> > one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one >> > company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand >> > this. >> > something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. >> > >> > ... goodness, one more thing! . >> > >> >>From an article on the Betanews site: >> > Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp >> > By >> > Nate Mook >> > , BetaNews >> > November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM >> > The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to >> > AOL >> > and >> > the door >> > has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. >> > Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital >> > audio >> > player with >> > minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. >> > \ >> > Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who >> > say >> > the software >> > has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and >> > Winamp creator >> > Justin Frankel last January. >> > The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After >> > AOL >> > acquired >> > the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of >> > Winamp developers >> > was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for >> > rebellion. >> > Although >> > Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until >> > the >> > two ideologies >> > collided. >> > Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over >> > coffee and >> > bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and >> > fellow >> > Nullsoft >> > developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing >> > system, dubbed >> > Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. >> > Gnutella was unveiled >> > in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives >> > feared >> > the program >> > would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending >> > merger with >> >
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Well, the reason I asked wasn't to undermine you. I just feel no need to switch to another program, but at the same time if this other program is going to give me something that Winamp doesn't, I want to know about it. But since MP3 Pro is a very important requisite for me, that pretty much decides it. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Andre van Deventer wrote: Hi Bruce I simply like the feel of the thing more than winamp. I like the way you can work with the menus or shortcuts whichever you choose. I am always careful about recommending things to people! It does what I want it to do. It feels more like a windows programme to me than winamp. The best thing may be to try to use it and see what happens. Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: 15 November 2004 01:12 PM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Can you tell me this? Would you recommend it instead of Winamp? And if so, why? Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hello! Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the usual formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. You can check out more things at: http.//www.foobar200.com. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Or change to foobar2000. So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? Peter S. ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello! I think i wrote about it on the pc-auio list about half a year ago but did not get any answers so i thougt no one was interested. Tyats why. I like it its great. GREAT! It starts much faster and is under continously developping. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Bruce Toews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: RE: The Future of Winamp > Is it continually under development? If it is not, then we're in the same > situation as with Winamp. What about plugins for cross-fading and sound > normalization and other things? Which formats can it support? Why has no > one been talking about it until now? > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Toews > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net > For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Andre van Deventer wrote: > > > I cannot agree more! I think the only problem is actually for those of you > > who do broadcasting. Although you can use Foobar 2000 to listen to > > streams you cannot use it for broadcasting. > > > > It is extremely screenreader friendly and has menus and shortcuts to work > > with. > > > > Go to > > www.foobar2000.org > > To download it. > > > > Andre > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg > > Sent: 15 November 2004 09:05 AM > > To: PC audio discussion list. > > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > > Hello! > > Or change to foobar2000. > > Its a very nice litle fast player. > > /Anders. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:42 PM > > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > > > >> It may be a good idea to write AOL, but as Marty stated, even if they > > don't > >> make future versions of Winamp, we can still get the benefits of using the > >> latest versions we have now. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:22 PM > >> Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > >> > >> > >>>Are people writing AOL? > >>> I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers > >>> hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about > > the > >>> legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. > >>> I am willing to write and call on this issue. > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM > >>> Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > >>> > >>> > >>>> It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If > >>>> they > >>>> stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, > > if > >>> we > >>>> can use it. > >>>> - Original Message - > >>>> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM > >>>> Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > >>>>> On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little > >>>>> nullsoft > >>>>> company? amazing! just amazing! > >>>>> > >>>>> If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that > >>>>> does > >>>>> one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to > > one > >>>>> company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to > > understand > >>>>> this. > >>>>> something about the world I just don&#x
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HellO! I was when i used foobar i used the light one. But now i will go from winamp to foobar the special one. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Andre van Deventer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: RE: The Future of Winamp > Hi Anders > > There is actually a special version of Foobar which can do much more than > the standard one. Which one do you have. As far as I can understand it, > the special one can burnCD's also. > > Andre > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg > Sent: 15 November 2004 09:58 AM > To: PC audio discussion list. > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > Hello! > Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the usual > formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. > You can check out more things at: > http.//www.foobar200.com. > /Anders. > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > > > > > >>Or change to foobar2000. > > > > > > So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? > > > > Peter S. > > > > > > > > ___ > > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bruce I simply like the feel of the thing more than winamp. I like the way you can work with the menus or shortcuts whichever you choose. I am always careful about recommending things to people! It does what I want it to do. It feels more like a windows programme to me than winamp. The best thing may be to try to use it and see what happens. Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: 15 November 2004 01:12 PM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Can you tell me this? Would you recommend it instead of Winamp? And if so, why? Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Anders Holmberg wrote: > Hello! > Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the > usual formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. > You can check out more things at: > http.//www.foobar200.com. > /Anders. > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > >> >>>>> Or change to foobar2000. >> >> >> So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? >> >> Peter S. >> >> >> >> ___ >> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Can you tell me this? Would you recommend it instead of Winamp? And if so, why? Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hello! Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the usual formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. You can check out more things at: http.//www.foobar200.com. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Or change to foobar2000. So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? Peter S. ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is it continually under development? If it is not, then we're in the same situation as with Winamp. What about plugins for cross-fading and sound normalization and other things? Which formats can it support? Why has no one been talking about it until now? Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Andre van Deventer wrote: I cannot agree more! I think the only problem is actually for those of you who do broadcasting. Although you can use Foobar 2000 to listen to streams you cannot use it for broadcasting. It is extremely screenreader friendly and has menus and shortcuts to work with. Go to www.foobar2000.org To download it. Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg Sent: 15 November 2004 09:05 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Hello! Or change to foobar2000. Its a very nice litle fast player. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp It may be a good idea to write AOL, but as Marty stated, even if they don't make future versions of Winamp, we can still get the benefits of using the latest versions we have now. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Are people writing AOL? I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about the legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. I am willing to write and call on this issue. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we can use it. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little nullsoft company? amazing! just amazing! If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that does one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand this. something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. ... goodness, one more thing! . From an article on the Betanews site: Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp By Nate Mook , BetaNews November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL and the door has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital audio player with minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. \ Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who say the software has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and Winamp creator Justin Frankel last January. The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After AOL acquired the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of Winamp developers was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for rebellion. Although Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until the two ideologies collided. Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over coffee and bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and fellow Nullsoft developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing system, dubbed Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. Gnutella was unveiled in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives feared the program would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending merger with Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the software's source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting a peer-to-peer land grab that has yet to subside. But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from the freely available Winamp. Frankel and crew found t
Re: The Future of Winamp
Hi Andre, I tried the link in your message, but all I got was, a page with 2 links, which were images, and nothing about the player you mentioned. Richard Justice - Original Message - From: "Andre van Deventer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:12 AM Subject: RE: The Future of Winamp > Hi Anders > > There is actually a special version of Foobar which can do much more than > the standard one. Which one do you have. As far as I can understand it, > the special one can burnCD's also. > > Andre > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg > Sent: 15 November 2004 09:58 AM > To: PC audio discussion list. > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > Hello! > Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the usual > formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. > You can check out more things at: > http.//www.foobar200.com. > /Anders. > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > > > > > >>Or change to foobar2000. > > > > > > So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? > > > > Peter S. > > > > > > > > ___ > > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The Future of Winamp
Hi Anders There is actually a special version of Foobar which can do much more than the standard one. Which one do you have. As far as I can understand it, the special one can burnCD's also. Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg Sent: 15 November 2004 09:58 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Hello! Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the usual formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. You can check out more things at: http.//www.foobar200.com. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > >>Or change to foobar2000. > > > So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? > > Peter S. > > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello! Its very small so i dont' think it can rip cds but for most of the usual formats such as ogg, mp3 wma wav etc it works very well. You can check out more things at: http.//www.foobar200.com. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Peter Scanlon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > >>Or change to foobar2000. > > > So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? > > Peter S. > > > > ___ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The Future of Winamp
I cannot agree more! I think the only problem is actually for those of you who do broadcasting. Although you can use Foobar 2000 to listen to streams you cannot use it for broadcasting. It is extremely screenreader friendly and has menus and shortcuts to work with. Go to www.foobar2000.org To download it. Andre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg Sent: 15 November 2004 09:05 AM To: PC audio discussion list. Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Hello! Or change to foobar2000. Its a very nice litle fast player. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > It may be a good idea to write AOL, but as Marty stated, even if they don't > make future versions of Winamp, we can still get the benefits of using the > latest versions we have now. > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > >Are people writing AOL? > > I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers > > hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about the > > legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. > > I am willing to write and call on this issue. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM > > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > > > >> It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If > >> they > >> stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if > > we > >> can use it. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM > >> Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > >> > >> > >> > *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > >> > On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little > >> > nullsoft > >> > company? amazing! just amazing! > >> > > >> > If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that > >> > does > >> > one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one > >> > company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand > >> > this. > >> > something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. > >> > > >> > ... goodness, one more thing! . > >> > > >> >>From an article on the Betanews site: > >> > Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp > >> > By > >> > Nate Mook > >> > , BetaNews > >> > November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM > >> > The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL > >> > and > >> > the door > >> > has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. > >> > Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital > >> > audio > >> > player with > >> > minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. > >> > \ > >> > Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who > >> > say > >> > the software > >> > has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and > >> > Winamp creator > >> > Justin Frankel last January. > >> > The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After > >> > AOL > >> > acquired > >> > the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of > >> > Winamp developers > >> > was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for > >> > rebellion. > >> > Although > >> > Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until > >> > the > >> > two ideologies > >> > collided. > >> > Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstormi
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>>Or change to foobar2000. So tell us what this player can do? what formats? Streaming? ripping? Peter S. ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello! Or change to foobar2000. Its a very nice litle fast player. /Anders. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > It may be a good idea to write AOL, but as Marty stated, even if they don't > make future versions of Winamp, we can still get the benefits of using the > latest versions we have now. > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > >Are people writing AOL? > > I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers > > hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about the > > legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. > > I am willing to write and call on this issue. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM > > Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > > > > > >> It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If > >> they > >> stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if > > we > >> can use it. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM > >> Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > >> > >> > >> > *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > >> > On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little > >> > nullsoft > >> > company? amazing! just amazing! > >> > > >> > If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that > >> > does > >> > one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one > >> > company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand > >> > this. > >> > something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. > >> > > >> > ... goodness, one more thing! . > >> > > >> >>From an article on the Betanews site: > >> > Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp > >> > By > >> > Nate Mook > >> > , BetaNews > >> > November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM > >> > The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL > >> > and > >> > the door > >> > has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. > >> > Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital > >> > audio > >> > player with > >> > minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. > >> > \ > >> > Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who > >> > say > >> > the software > >> > has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and > >> > Winamp creator > >> > Justin Frankel last January. > >> > The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After > >> > AOL > >> > acquired > >> > the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of > >> > Winamp developers > >> > was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for > >> > rebellion. > >> > Although > >> > Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until > >> > the > >> > two ideologies > >> > collided. > >> > Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over > >> > coffee and > >> > bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and > >> > fellow > >> > Nullsoft > >> > developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing > >> > system, dubbed > >> > Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. > >> > Gnutella was unveiled > >> > in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives > >> > feared &
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Well that would be too bad if they, in fact, were to take the library away. - Original Message - From: "Rocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Ya! And what if they take the Library away? - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we can use it. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little nullsoft company? amazing! just amazing! If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that does one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand this. something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. ... goodness, one more thing! . From an article on the Betanews site: Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp By Nate Mook , BetaNews November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL and the door has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital audio player with minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. \ Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who say the software has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and Winamp creator Justin Frankel last January. The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After AOL acquired the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of Winamp developers was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for rebellion. Although Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until the two ideologies collided. Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over coffee and bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and fellow Nullsoft developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing system, dubbed Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. Gnutella was unveiled in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives feared the program would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending merger with Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the software's source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting a peer-to-peer land grab that has yet to subside. But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from the freely available Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, but always escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's unsanctioned release of WASTE -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel threatened to resign after AOL removed WASTE , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's San Francisco offices in December 2003. With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and 700 additional layoffs planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from supporting acquisitions such as Winamp. Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of their accomplishments. Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts an incredible 60 million users per month. After a disappointing Winamp3 , Nullsoft developers returned to the drawing board and completed long-standing goals with the release of Winamp 5.0 in late 2003. Nullsoft's Shoutcast , which pioneered audio streaming over the Internet, is called "the Net's best secret" by its creator Tom Pepper and has reached 170,000 simultaneous users accounting for 70 million hours of listening each month. For its part, AOL says it remains committed to Winamp, stating it is "a thriving product that AOL continues to support and will continue to support." But without those who poured their heart and soul into building the software, Winamp seems destined to meet a fate similar to fellow audio player Sonique , after Lycos saw the depa
Re: The Future of Winamp
Ya! And what if they take the Library away? - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we can use it. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little > nullsoft > company? amazing! just amazing! > > If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that > does > one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one > company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand > this. > something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. > > ... goodness, one more thing! . > >>From an article on the Betanews site: > Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp > By > Nate Mook > , BetaNews > November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM > The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL > and > the door > has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. > Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital > audio > player with > minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. > \ > Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who > say > the software > has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and > Winamp creator > Justin Frankel last January. > The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After > AOL > acquired > the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of > Winamp developers > was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for > rebellion. > Although > Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until > the > two ideologies > collided. > Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over > coffee and > bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and > fellow > Nullsoft > developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing > system, dubbed > Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. > Gnutella was unveiled > in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives > feared > the program > would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending > merger with > Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the > software's > source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting > a > peer-to-peer > land grab that has yet to subside. > But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from > the > freely available > Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, > but > always > escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. > However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's > unsanctioned > release of WASTE > -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel > threatened > to resign > after AOL > removed WASTE > , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. > Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's > San > Francisco > offices in December 2003. > With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and > 700 additional layoffs > planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from > supporting acquisitions > such as Winamp. > Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of > their accomplishments. > Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts an incredible > 60 > million > users per month. > After a disappointing > Winamp3 > , Nullsoft developers returned to the drawing board and completed > long-standing goals > with the release of > Winamp 5.0 > in late 2003. > Nullsoft's > Shoutcast > , which pioneered audio streaming over the Internet, is called "the > Net's > best secret" > by its creator Tom Pepper and has reached 170,000 simultaneous users > accounting for > 70 million hours of listening each month. > For its part, AOL says it remains committed to Winamp, stating it is
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It will be interesting to see what may happen to the Shoutcast servers, will ACBI be affected for instance? At 04:18 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: Hi, Gary, just because development may stop on winamp, doesn't mean we have to stop using it, the same thing has happened to my email program, and I will still use it no matter what. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:26:09 -0500, Gary Wood wrote: >It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they >stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we >can use it. >- Original Message - >From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM >Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > > >> *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** >> On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little >> nullsoft >> company? amazing! just amazing! >> >> If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that >> does >> one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one >> company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand >> this. >> something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. >> >> ... goodness, one more thing! . >> >>>From an article on the Betanews site: >> Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp >> By >> Nate Mook >> , BetaNews >> November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM >> The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL >> and >> the door >> has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. >> Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital >> audio >> player with >> minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. >> \ >> Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who >> say >> the software >> has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and >> Winamp creator >> Justin Frankel last January. >> The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After >> AOL >> acquired >> the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of >> Winamp developers >> was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for >> rebellion. >> Although >> Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until >> the >> two ideologies >> collided. >> Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over >> coffee and >> bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and >> fellow >> Nullsoft >> developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing >> system, dubbed >> Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. >> Gnutella was unveiled >> in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives >> feared >> the program >> would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending >> merger with >> Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the >> software's >> source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting >> a >> peer-to-peer >> land grab that has yet to subside. >> But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from >> the >> freely available >> Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, >> but >> always >> escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. >> However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's >> unsanctioned >> release of WASTE >> -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel >> threatened >> to resign >> after AOL >> removed WASTE >> , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. >> Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's >> San >> Francisco >> offices in December 2003. >> With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and >> 700 additional layoffs >> planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from >> supporting acquisitions >> such as Winamp. >> Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of >> their accomplishments. >> Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts an incredible >> 60 >> million >> users per month. >> After a disappointing >> Winamp3 >> , Nullsoft developers returned to the drawing board and completed >> long-standing goals >> with the release of >> Winamp 5.0 >> in late 2003. >> Nullsoft's >> Shoutcast >> , which pioneered audio streaming over the Internet, is called "the >> Net's >> best secret" >> by its creator Tom Pepper and has reached 170,000 simultaneous users >> accounting for >> 70 million hours of listening each month. >> For its part, AOL says it remains committed to Winamp, stating it is "a >> thriving >> product that AOL continues to support and will continue to support." >> But without those who poured their heart and soul into building the >> software, Winamp >> seems destined to
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It may be a good idea to write AOL, but as Marty stated, even if they don't make future versions of Winamp, we can still get the benefits of using the latest versions we have now. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Are people writing AOL? I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about the legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. I am willing to write and call on this issue. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we can use it. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little > nullsoft > company? amazing! just amazing! > > If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that > does > one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one > company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand > this. > something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. > > ... goodness, one more thing! . > >>From an article on the Betanews site: > Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp > By > Nate Mook > , BetaNews > November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM > The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL > and > the door > has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. > Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital > audio > player with > minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. > \ > Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who > say > the software > has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and > Winamp creator > Justin Frankel last January. > The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After > AOL > acquired > the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of > Winamp developers > was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for > rebellion. > Although > Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until > the > two ideologies > collided. > Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over > coffee and > bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and > fellow > Nullsoft > developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing > system, dubbed > Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. > Gnutella was unveiled > in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives > feared > the program > would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending > merger with > Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the > software's > source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting > a > peer-to-peer > land grab that has yet to subside. > But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from > the > freely available > Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, > but > always > escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. > However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's > unsanctioned > release of WASTE > -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel > threatened > to resign > after AOL > removed WASTE > , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. > Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's > San > Francisco > offices in December 2003. > With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and > 700 additional layoffs > planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from > supporting acquisitions > such as Winamp. > Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of > their accomplishments. > Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts
Re: The Future of Winamp
Hi Marty. That's what I plan on doing. - Original Message - From: "Marty Rimpau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp Hi, Gary, just because development may stop on winamp, doesn't mean we have to stop using it, the same thing has happened to my email program, and I will still use it no matter what. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:26:09 -0500, Gary Wood wrote: It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we can use it. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little nullsoft company? amazing! just amazing! If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that does one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand this. something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. ... goodness, one more thing! . From an article on the Betanews site: Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp By Nate Mook , BetaNews November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL and the door has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital audio player with minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. \ Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who say the software has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and Winamp creator Justin Frankel last January. The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After AOL acquired the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of Winamp developers was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for rebellion. Although Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until the two ideologies collided. Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over coffee and bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and fellow Nullsoft developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing system, dubbed Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. Gnutella was unveiled in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives feared the program would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending merger with Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the software's source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting a peer-to-peer land grab that has yet to subside. But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from the freely available Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, but always escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's unsanctioned release of WASTE -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel threatened to resign after AOL removed WASTE , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's San Francisco offices in December 2003. With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and 700 additional layoffs planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from supporting acquisitions such as Winamp. Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of their accomplishments. Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts an incredible 60 million users per month. After a disappointing Winamp3 , Nullsoft developers returned to the drawing board and completed long-standing goals with the release of Winamp 5.0 in late 2003. Nullsoft's Shoutcast , which pioneered audio streaming over the Internet, is called "the Net's best secret" by its creator Tom Pepper and has reached 170,000 simultaneous users accounting for 70 million hours of listening each month. For its part, AOL says it remains committed to Winamp, stating it is "a thriving product that AOL continues to support and will continue to support." But without those who poured their heart and soul into building the software, Winamp seems destined to meet a fate similar to fellow audio player Sonique , after Lycos saw the departure of its development team. Sonique has stagnated for year
Re: The Future of Winamp
Are people writing AOL? I am serious.. I was amazed during oneo f the Nine Eleven fundraisers hosted by AOL that oone of their telephone volunteers knew all about the legitimate compalints by blind people about AOL. I am willing to write and call on this issue. - Original Message - From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: The Future of Winamp > It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they > stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we > can use it. > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM > Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > > > > *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > > On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little > > nullsoft > > company? amazing! just amazing! > > > > If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that > > does > > one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one > > company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand > > this. > > something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. > > > > ... goodness, one more thing! . > > > >>From an article on the Betanews site: > > Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp > > By > > Nate Mook > > , BetaNews > > November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM > > The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL > > and > > the door > > has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. > > Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital > > audio > > player with > > minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. > > \ > > Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who > > say > > the software > > has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and > > Winamp creator > > Justin Frankel last January. > > The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After > > AOL > > acquired > > the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of > > Winamp developers > > was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for > > rebellion. > > Although > > Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until > > the > > two ideologies > > collided. > > Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over > > coffee and > > bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and > > fellow > > Nullsoft > > developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing > > system, dubbed > > Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. > > Gnutella was unveiled > > in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives > > feared > > the program > > would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending > > merger with > > Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the > > software's > > source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting > > a > > peer-to-peer > > land grab that has yet to subside. > > But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from > > the > > freely available > > Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, > > but > > always > > escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. > > However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's > > unsanctioned > > release of WASTE > > -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel > > threatened > > to resign > > after AOL > > removed WASTE > > , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. > > Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's > > San > > Francisco > > offices in December 2003. > > With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and > > 700 additional layoffs > > planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from > > supporting acquisitions > > such as Winamp. > > Despite the somber farewell, Nullsof
Re: The Future of Winamp
Hi, Gary, just because development may stop on winamp, doesn't mean we have to stop using it, the same thing has happened to my email program, and I will still use it no matter what. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:26:09 -0500, Gary Wood wrote: >It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they >stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we >can use it. >- Original Message - >From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM >Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp > > >> *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** >> On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little >> nullsoft >> company? amazing! just amazing! >> >> If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that >> does >> one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one >> company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand >> this. >> something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. >> >> ... goodness, one more thing! . >> >>>From an article on the Betanews site: >> Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp >> By >> Nate Mook >> , BetaNews >> November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM >> The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL >> and >> the door >> has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. >> Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital >> audio >> player with >> minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. >> \ >> Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who >> say >> the software >> has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and >> Winamp creator >> Justin Frankel last January. >> The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After >> AOL >> acquired >> the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of >> Winamp developers >> was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for >> rebellion. >> Although >> Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until >> the >> two ideologies >> collided. >> Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over >> coffee and >> bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and >> fellow >> Nullsoft >> developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing >> system, dubbed >> Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. >> Gnutella was unveiled >> in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives >> feared >> the program >> would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending >> merger with >> Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the >> software's >> source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting >> a >> peer-to-peer >> land grab that has yet to subside. >> But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from >> the >> freely available >> Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, >> but >> always >> escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. >> However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's >> unsanctioned >> release of WASTE >> -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel >> threatened >> to resign >> after AOL >> removed WASTE >> , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. >> Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's >> San >> Francisco >> offices in December 2003. >> With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and >> 700 additional layoffs >> planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from >> supporting acquisitions >> such as Winamp. >> Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of >> their accomplishments. >> Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts an incredible >> 60 >> million >> users per month. >> After a disappointing >> Winamp3 >> , Nullsoft developers returned to the drawing board and completed >> long-standing goals >> with the release of >> Winamp 5.0 >> in late 2003. >> Nullsoft's >> Shoutcast >> , which pioneered audio streaming over the Internet, is called "the >> Net's >> best secret" >> by its creator Tom Pepper and has reached 170,000 simultaneous users >> accounting for >> 70 million hours of listening each month. >> For its part, AOL says it remains committed to Winamp, stating it is "a >> thriving >> product that AOL continues to support and will continue to support." >> But without those who poured their heart and soul into building the >> software, Winamp >> seems destined to meet a fate similar to fellow audio player >> Sonique >> , after Lycos saw the departure of its development team. Sonique has >> stagnated for >> years, and development ceased altoge
Re: The Future of Winamp
It's too bad this is happening to one of the best players around. If they stop development of Winamp, we'll just have to keep the one we've got, if we can use it. - Original Message - From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Fwd: The Future of Winamp *** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *** On 11/11/2004 at 3:44 PM geoff chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: check this out, AOL pays 100 million dollars for this one little nullsoft company? amazing! just amazing! If anyone would like to educate me as to how one little program that does one little job, could possibly become worth, such a huge figure to one company to pay, to acquire another, I'd reeally love to understand this. something about the world I just don't get here yet obviously. ... goodness, one more thing! . From an article on the Betanews site: Death Knell Sounds for Nullsoft, Winamp By Nate Mook , BetaNews November 10, 2004, 1:26 PM The last members of the original Winamp team have said goodbye to AOL and the door has all but shut on the Nullsoft era, BetaNews has learned. Only a few employees remain to prop up the once-ubiquitous digital audio player with minor updates, but no further improvements to Winamp are expected. \ Winamp's demise comes as no surprise to those close to the company who say the software has been on life support since the resignation of Nullsoft founder and Winamp creator Justin Frankel last January. The marriage of Nullsoft and AOL was always one of discontent. After AOL acquired the small company in 1999 for around $100 million, the young team of Winamp developers was assimilated into a strict corporate culture that begged for rebellion. Although Nullsoft was initially given a long leash by AOL, It wasn't long until the two ideologies collided. Frankel and his team were accustomed to simply brainstorming ideas over coffee and bringing them to the masses without approval. So when Frankel and fellow Nullsoft developer Tom Pepper devised a decentralized peer-to-peer file sharing system, dubbed Gnutella, parent AOL was left in the dark. Gnutella was unveiled in March 2000, much to the chagrin of an unprepared AOL; executives feared the program would encourage copyright infringement and damage the company's pending merger with Time Warner. AOL quickly clamped down on Gnutella, but not before the software's source code leaked. Gnutella-based alternatives soon followed, igniting a peer-to-peer land grab that has yet to subside. But AOL knew it had to protect its investment and turn a profit from the freely available Winamp. Frankel and crew found themselves in hot water numerous times, but always escaped with little more than a proverbial slap on the wrist. However, growing displeasure reached a boiling point with Nullsoft's unsanctioned release of WASTE -- an encrypted file-sharing network -- in June 2003. Frankel threatened to resign after AOL removed WASTE , but remained with the company long enough to finish Winamp 5.0. Frankel's departure followed AOL layoffs and the closure of Nullsoft's San Francisco offices in December 2003. With AOL struggling to stave off declining subscriber numbers and 700 additional layoffs planned for next month, the company's focus has shifted away from supporting acquisitions such as Winamp. Despite the somber farewell, Nullsoft's former masterminds are proud of their accomplishments. Winamp helped start a digital audio revolution and boasts an incredible 60 million users per month. After a disappointing Winamp3 , Nullsoft developers returned to the drawing board and completed long-standing goals with the release of Winamp 5.0 in late 2003. Nullsoft's Shoutcast , which pioneered audio streaming over the Internet, is called "the Net's best secret" by its creator Tom Pepper and has reached 170,000 simultaneous users accounting for 70 million hours of listening each month. For its part, AOL says it remains committed to Winamp, stating it is "a thriving product that AOL continues to support and will continue to support." But without those who poured their heart and soul into building the software, Winamp seems destined to meet a fate similar to fellow audio player Sonique , after Lycos saw the departure of its development team. Sonique has stagnated for years, and development ceased altogether last March. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When you have eliminated the impossible. whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. *** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *** Regards Steve, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe f
