Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2005-01-09 Thread Matthew Boyer
Does it  support .ape [it's like an mp3 but with .wav sound quality]?
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 You can play these files on the computer with Winamp and I know that most
 DVD players around today support them, I purchased a DVD player for $59.00
 a few days ago and it supports files that my better DVD player won't touch
 such file types as Vorbis, FLAC etc.

 At 01:38 PM 11/12/2004, you wrote:
 Hello list,
 What can read Vorbis files?
 Is this format strictly for the computer or are there portable players
that
 can play this format?
 Thanks Shannon
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   As far as I can tell, vorbis rocks compared to mp3 files.  That's when
you
   put vorbis at a 128 bitrate.  Of course, I don't mind having mp3 files
at
   320 but at 128 ogg vorbis files sound great.  Although nothing
compares to
 a
   wave file.
   Denny
  
  
  
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2005-01-03 Thread Matthew Boyer
Yes, nothing compares to a  .wav file. They play on ay  audio player.

after note: ick--they  won't play on an  mp3 player.
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 As far as I can tell, vorbis rocks compared to mp3 files.  That's when you
 put vorbis at a 128 bitrate.  Of course, I don't mind having mp3 files at
 320 but at 128 ogg vorbis files sound great.  Although nothing compares to
a
 wave file.
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-12 Thread Kevin Shields
Hey, how does Vorbis compare in sound quality to MP3? And what kind of
DVD player is this for $59.
I'm curious.
Take care,
Kevin

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 You can play these files on the computer with Winamp and I know that 
 most 
 DVD players around today support them, I purchased a DVD player for 
 $59.00 
 a few days ago and it supports files that my better DVD player won't 
 touch 
 such file types as Vorbis, FLAC etc.
 
 At 01:38 PM 11/12/2004, you wrote:
 Hello list,
 What can read Vorbis files?
 Is this format strictly for the computer or are there portable 
 players that
 can play this format?
 Thanks Shannon
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   As far as I can tell, vorbis rocks compared to mp3 files.  
 That's when you
   put vorbis at a 128 bitrate.  Of course, I don't mind having mp3 
 files at
   320 but at 128 ogg vorbis files sound great.  Although nothing 
 compares to
 a
   wave file.
   Denny
  
  
  
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-12 Thread Denny Daughters
Kevin and list,
I've been doing some testing with the vorbis versus mp3 conversion last
night.  With mp3s, you can go down to 96kbps and you start to hear the
compression.  Knock it down to 80 and it sounds really compressed.  With
Ogg-vorbis, you can knock it down to 80kbps and start to hear a little
compression, but it's not nearly as bad as it is on the mp3 side of things.
Because of how the different formats compress, ogg-vorbis compresses things
much further than mp3s and it still sounds good.  It's kind of like the
difference between vhs and bayta formats.  As I remember it, bayta was a
superior format but the recorders kept breaking down and vhs was the format
that was more popular.  I can remember going in to video stores in the early
to mid 80s and seeing vhs tapes and a much smaller section for bayta.  Hope
that helps.
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-12 Thread russell Bourgoin
Hi Listers,
The iriver hard drive based juke box plays og files.
Rusty
Hi Shannon and list,
I know for sure that winamp will read the ogg-vorbis files, I don't know
about any portable players.
Denny

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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-12 Thread Gary Wood
Hi Kevin.  I think with Vorvis, your supposed to be able to get the same CD 
quality that can be achieved with MP3, but with half the file size.  I hope 
this helps.
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Hey, how does Vorbis compare in sound quality to MP3? And what kind of
DVD player is this for $59.
I'm curious.
Take care,
Kevin
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writes:
You can play these files on the computer with Winamp and I know that
most
DVD players around today support them, I purchased a DVD player for
$59.00
a few days ago and it supports files that my better DVD player won't
touch
such file types as Vorbis, FLAC etc.
At 01:38 PM 11/12/2004, you wrote:
Hello list,
What can read Vorbis files?
Is this format strictly for the computer or are there portable
players that
can play this format?
Thanks Shannon
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  As far as I can tell, vorbis rocks compared to mp3 files.
That's when you
  put vorbis at a 128 bitrate.  Of course, I don't mind having mp3
files at
  320 but at 128 ogg vorbis files sound great.  Although nothing
compares to
a
  wave file.
  Denny
 
 
 
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-12 Thread Kevin Lloyd
Hi.

The main advantages of MP3 over Vorbis are the same advantages that windows
has over linux - there are a minority of vorbis users and therefore tools
are limited.

With MP3 you'd find it difficult to find a player that doesn't support that
format these days including a large variation of bit rates and variable rate
encoding.  Also with MP3, you'll find an array of tools for normalising,
editing and burning without having to hunt down and probably pay for plug
ins and the like to support vorbis.

I don't know of any tools that will allow you to change the volume of a
batch of vorbis files without first having to convert them to WAV files and
then convert back?

I think an MP3 file coded at a high bit rate with a good encoder like lame
will match the vorbis file for sound quality.  Sure, the vorbis file will
take up less disc space but if you've got plenty of disc space this should
be a minor consideration.

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VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Dane Trethowan
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What are peoples thoughts on these 2 compression methods, does one have any
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Aymeric Vildieu
Vorbis is definitely far better than mp3 :
First on the philosophical level : it is an open-source standard, so no 
copyrights involved.
2 : the soundquality is far better than mp3 and allows a bigher sampling rate.

A 160kbps ogg will sound clearer than a 320kbps mp3.
I really encourage you to play with it. you'll be really amazed... Ogg 
vorbis has, in my ears, a siilar quality to the aac format.

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What are peoples thoughts on these 2 compression methods, does one have any
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Bruce Toews
The following are my personal opinions. The best way to come to a 
conclusion is to check it out yourself.
1. I find that Vorbis is a considerably better format. The file size to 
quality ratio is considerably more favorable. The fact that Vorbis is open 
source works very much in its favor. As I understand it, were there the 
tools to do it, a Vorbis file could be much more manipulable than an MP3 
file.

2. What works in MP3's favor is that everyone's using it. Forbis has never 
caught on in the mainstream, despite all the predictions that it would. 
It's the VHS versus Beta thing. If Vorbis ever does catch on in the 
mainstream, I will be surprised. Some portable units support vorbis, but 
these are few and far between.

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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Dane Trethowan
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What's around to encode it, I mean are their any dll files that I can run from
EAC or something like that?
At 08:58 AM 11/12/2004, you wrote:
Vorbis is definitely far better than mp3 :
First on the philosophical level : it is an open-source standard, so no
copyrights involved.
2 : the soundquality is far better than mp3 and allows a bigher sampling rate.
A 160kbps ogg will sound clearer than a 320kbps mp3.
I really encourage you to play with it. you'll be really amazed... Ogg vorbis
has, in my ears, a siilar quality to the aac format.
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Sun Sparkle
what about mp4? how dow this compair to the other two?
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 Vorbis is definitely far better than mp3 :
 First on the philosophical level : it is an open-source standard, so no
 copyrights involved.
 2 : the soundquality is far better than mp3 and allows a bigher sampling
rate.

 A 160kbps ogg will sound clearer than a 320kbps mp3.
 I really encourage you to play with it. you'll be really amazed... Ogg
 vorbis has, in my ears, a siilar quality to the aac format.

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 What are peoples thoughts on these 2 compression methods, does one have
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread shannon work
Hello list,
What can read Vorbis files?
Is this format strictly for the computer or are there portable players that
can play this format?
Thanks Shannon
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 As far as I can tell, vorbis rocks compared to mp3 files.  That's when you
 put vorbis at a 128 bitrate.  Of course, I don't mind having mp3 files at
 320 but at 128 ogg vorbis files sound great.  Although nothing compares to
a
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Denny Daughters
Hi Shannon and list,
I know for sure that winamp will read the ogg-vorbis files, I don't know
about any portable players.
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Bruce Toews
There are some portables that play Vorbis. They're quite few and far 
between.

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Hi Shannon and list,
   I know for sure that winamp will read the ogg-vorbis files, I don't know
about any portable players.
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread rob
Rather than just say that there are players, why don't you tell us the names
of those players?
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 There are some portables that play Vorbis. They're quite few and far
 between.

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  Hi Shannon and list,
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know
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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Bruce Toews
Because I don't know what they are.
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, rob wrote:
Rather than just say that there are players, why don't you tell us the names
of those players?
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There are some portables that play Vorbis. They're quite few and far
between.
Bruce
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Hi Shannon and list,
   I know for sure that winamp will read the ogg-vorbis files, I don't
know
about any portable players.
Denny

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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Dane Trethowan
You can play these files on the computer with Winamp and I know that most 
DVD players around today support them, I purchased a DVD player for $59.00 
a few days ago and it supports files that my better DVD player won't touch 
such file types as Vorbis, FLAC etc.

At 01:38 PM 11/12/2004, you wrote:
Hello list,
What can read Vorbis files?
Is this format strictly for the computer or are there portable players that
can play this format?
Thanks Shannon
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 As far as I can tell, vorbis rocks compared to mp3 files.  That's when you
 put vorbis at a 128 bitrate.  Of course, I don't mind having mp3 files at
 320 but at 128 ogg vorbis files sound great.  Although nothing compares to
a
 wave file.
 Denny



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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Dane Trethowan
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Another thought!
I know someone who has an IRiver, I know that these amazing pieces of equipment
will play Vorbis and... well... just about any other format you care to mention
if you're prepared to load the software.
At 03:34 PM 11/12/2004, you wrote:
There are some portables that play Vorbis. They're quite few and far between.
Bruce
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Denny Daughters wrote:
Hi Shannon and list,
   I know for sure that winamp will read the ogg-vorbis files, I don't know
about any portable players.
Denny

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Re: VORBIS COMPARED TO MP3

2004-11-11 Thread Gary Wood
I wonder if any DVD player plays og vorvis files?
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Because I don't know what they are.
Bruce
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, rob wrote:
Rather than just say that there are players, why don't you tell us the 
names
of those players?
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There are some portables that play Vorbis. They're quite few and far
between.
Bruce
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Denny Daughters wrote:
Hi Shannon and list,
   I know for sure that winamp will read the ogg-vorbis files, I don't
know
about any portable players.
Denny

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