Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction
Roman Haefeli wrote: [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats shouldn't this be [list append $1]? mfgasd.r IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats shouldn't this be [list append $1]? I tried both and both seem to work. There might be some situations where the append make a difference, though... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: newer versions of debian (and therefore ubuntu) have replaced libquicktime0 (0.9.x) by libquicktime1 (1.0.x) most likely these are binary compatible 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 are definitely not binary-compatible with each other, although package systems allow upgrade from one to the other. more generally, this is about versions 0.9.8 vs = 0.9.8. my reply was rather generic. i haven't tried whether it actually works or not, nor did i care. and true, i should have written maybe these are binary compatible instead of most likely [...] i tried to avoid answers like dude, compile it yourself or the only thing hans needs for getting gutsy packages is a gutsy machine. donations are welcome Yeah, libquicktime went thru a spasm of API-breaking (and probably ABI-breaking) changes on the path from 0.9 to 1.0. Most of the 0.9.x versions are not compatible with each other. i never noticed this! i don't think i have changed a line of code in the quicktime4linux code of Gem for ages. to be precise, i haven't changed a line since August 2006, when there was 0.9.7 in debian. but then, i might have just been lucky and used the right functions... fmga.sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This is very cool, keep us posted on your progress! I am thinking of trying to write an IRC client in Pd. Then there could be an embedded IRC client in Pd-extended that is tied into the help system. You click a link on a help patch, it opens a chatroom and posts the context of the patch to the chatroom. That would help out the newbies, who often have trouble knowing what to ask. Like netpd? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] many paths, how
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 00:08 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:
My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another.
remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more, but I
can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
Hm, this gets asked (and answered) once every 1.5 weeks. What can we
do about it?
It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I
introduce new users to PD. Personally I think the entire 'search paths'
window is badly designed. I have a few ideas about how it might be
improved:
1/ 'Save all settings' and 'Apply' should be removed.
2/ The path list should have a dynamically generated scrollbar, so that
when the list exceeds a certain length (10), the scrollbar appears and
the user can view the additional paths by scrolling up/down.
3/ It should not be possible to type directly into the path list, only
select a list element or group of elements (paths).
4/ Two new buttons should be added directly underneath the path list:
'Add' and 'Remove'.
5/ 'Add' opens a new dialog ('Select path...') whereby the user can
either enter a path or navigate to it using a filesystem browser widget.
Once the path has been entered (or selected), clicking 'OK' adds the
path to the path list and closes the 'Select path...' dialogue.
6/ Clicking 'Remove' in the main 'path list' window will remove the
currently selected item(s) from the path list.
7/ Clicking 'OK' will commit changes to disk, apply them for the current
session and close the window.
8/ Clicking 'Cancel' will discard the changes and close the window.
Just a few thoughts. If anyone else thinks this is a good idea, I would
happily put a feature request on the tracker.
best,
Jamie
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Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction
Hallo, Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote: there is no mechanism in pd, that allows you to check, whether a certain argument for an abstraction was specified or not. when a certain argument is not given, pd just assumes '0'. if '0' is not part of your intended argument range, you can check in your abstraction, if the argument is '0' and assume, when it is '0', that it was not specified. [loadbang] | [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats [list append $1] - allows both, symbols and floats | [sel 0] | | [53 ] | - your default value (could also be a symbol) |/ | / | / | / |/ [t a] Ciaoo -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] openpanel length limit on OSX and linux / Testing latest release
Hi Hans and all,
this is still broken in the latest release from pd-extended.
I hope it can be fixed!
cheers,
tim
On 05/10/2007, at 5:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
While you are at it, you might consider removing the extraneous char
buf in postfloat()
void postfloat(float f)
{
char buf[80];
t_atom a;
SETFLOAT(a, f);
postatom(1, a);
}
.hc
On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
I looked, and I think it's just the print object that truncates
the symbol on printing. In s_print, you can change the postatom()
function
to print bigger strings. I'll go on and chance my copy to use
MAXPDSTRING
there, just to see what that will break :)
M
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:47:07PM +0200, Tim Boykett wrote:
To clarify: The file I want is:
/Volumes/WORKGROUPHARBOUR/Projects/ShortTermDoc/Code/VideoFiler/
20071004/test1-1.mov
when I click on it in the openpanel help patch, I see this:
print: symbol /Volumes/WORKGROUPHARBOUR/Projects/ShortTermDoc/Code/
VideoFiler/20071004/test1*
where the position of the * is consistent across various files I
have
tried.
The problem might be in TkTcl. If I create a deep directory
structure:
$ mkdir
1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/12
3
456
7890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890
$ touch
1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/12
3
456
7890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/ttt
then try to openpanel into it, I get the following in the Pd console
window:
error: .printout.text: no such object
print: symbol /Users/tibo/
1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/1234567890/*
I checked to see whether symbols has a maximum length of 80 char or
so, but it does
not seem to be the case. That is what I meant by my last comment.
Anybody know how I might get around this?
Cheers,
tim
On 04/10/2007, at 5:17 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Tim Boykett wrote:
I have found a strange problem with openpanel on OSX and linux.
If I open a file with a long name, including the whole directory,
then it gets cropped at around 80 characters (maybe 78 or 79). I
have tested this on a debian 0.40 install and the latest OSX
extended. I cannot see where this 80 character restriction might
come from - looking at the source there seems to be no place that
it is mentioned within the PD code.
[print] has a limit size like that, but the actual limit size of pd
is more like 1000.
(in desiredata, the limit of 1000 has been removed)
I hope someone can help. It does not seem to be a problem with
symbol
lengths.
What do you mean?
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Re: [PD] pdpedia classifications
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecated deprecated is a status that the author gives to code to say that there is a better version available which should be used instead. It's not a mark of whether something works or not. exactly my thinking. however, you suggested the use of the deprecated flag to nicolas request about designed for pd 0.33 or to compile with an old gcc. in my understanding, these are things that do not make an object deprecated, and it seems like in your understanding too (or not?) fmgadsr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sound annotation
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 17:22 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello list, I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it? I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some clues where to find out more about this. You might find the aubio library useful: http://aubio.piem.org/ Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Calling a canvas names [was: Re: syntax of Pd files]
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object, and thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to instead make namecanvas an actual property of the canvas, that is set through the props menu. tell me what should happen to [import] and [block~]... and if they have to be handled differently: why. As I see it, the only purpose of [namecanvas] is to allow sending messages to an instance of an abstraction and generally these messages involve some kind of dynamic editing. Building a network of objects on a canvas often is easier to make when starting from scratch with an empty canvas (because of connection numbering etc.). But you cannot clear the canvas when using [namecanvas]! This restriction leads to really ugly workarounds. Just compare the old version of nqpoly4 with the version, where I removed the [namecanvas] (which was unnecessary here anyway) and used a subpatch instead. If namecanvas was a property of the canvas, one could patch abstraction instances dynamically just like subpatches. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] many paths, how
Jamie Bullock wrote:
It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I
introduce new users to PD.
interestingly enough i never have been asked this.
most likely it is not the initial design that a lot of paths are to be
added.
Personally I think the entire 'search paths'
window is badly designed.
nevertheless i agree with you.
I have a few ideas about how it might be
improved:
1/ 'Save all settings' and 'Apply' should be removed.
2/ The path list should have a dynamically generated scrollbar, so that
when the list exceeds a certain length (10), the scrollbar appears and
the user can view the additional paths by scrolling up/down.
3/ It should not be possible to type directly into the path list, only
select a list element or group of elements (paths).
4/ Two new buttons should be added directly underneath the path list:
'Add' and 'Remove'.
5/ 'Add' opens a new dialog ('Select path...') whereby the user can
either enter a path or navigate to it using a filesystem browser widget.
Once the path has been entered (or selected), clicking 'OK' adds the
path to the path list and closes the 'Select path...' dialogue.
6/ Clicking 'Remove' in the main 'path list' window will remove the
currently selected item(s) from the path list.
7/ Clicking 'OK' will commit changes to disk, apply them for the current
session and close the window.
8/ Clicking 'Cancel' will discard the changes and close the window.
what i am dearly missing in your design is:
9) buttons to re-order the paths
(since you cannot add change the paths directly, and i think it is very
re-order paths in a way that involves opening several windows)
in my work-cycle, path-order is a crucial thing when it comes to getting
the right object.
10) unify the path and startup dialogs into one single (possibly
multi-tab) dialog.
mf.ar
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object, and thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to instead make namecanvas an actual property of the canvas, that is set through the props menu. tell me what should happen to [import] and [block~]... they should stay. and if they have to be handled differently: why. [import] is an external; allowing externals to add new properties persistently will most likely blow the current pd fileformat. imho, [block~] should actually be a property. however, this means that we do need a way to communicate with the patch directly, because [block~] has an inlet that is used... personally i would love to have a (non-deletable) inlet somewhere in the patch (at the bottom?) that can be used to send messages to the canvas instead of binding it to a receiver name. but then: how does this fix the problem of delete all? fmsr.d IOhanes _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
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Re: [PD] sound annotation
There's also video... -Chuckk On 10/17/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WAV files can store notes, IIRC. Or at least Audacity can tie text to audio projects. I am sure other audio editors can too, but I am not sure there is currently a way to get that text in Pd. .hc On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you mean something like karaoke? marius. :) well more like audiofiles that can be tagged hopefully the notes will be stored in a db and then yes you could make a karaoke or a sound map. Praat looks good , thanks Luiz . I am reading of aubio library too. wonder if I can save the associated notes as separate text files, xml files maybe. thnx! A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello list, I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it? I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some clues where to find out more about this. thanks in advance, Alejandra ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sound annotation
Incidentally, you might find interesting the recent discussion on this list that we don't talk about anymore. I see a paper online, that looks like it's by you, about Pd and feminism. This is a hot topic here. -Chuckk On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello list, I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it? I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords and notes to these nodes. I have searched the archives looking for this but perhaps has been called differently. I hope somebody can give me some clues where to find out more about this. thanks in advance, Alejandra ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Calling a canvas names [was: Re: syntax of Pd files]
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: As I see it, the only purpose of [namecanvas] is to allow sending messages to an instance of an abstraction and generally these messages involve some kind of dynamic editing. Building a network of objects on a canvas often is easier to make when starting from scratch with an empty canvas (because of connection numbering etc.). But you cannot clear the canvas when using [namecanvas]! Actually it occured to me that this is a silly argument, which I could only bring up, because I'm living proof that creating non-trivial Pd patches for 6 years is possible without ever using namecanvas once. It's silly, because of course one would normally not want to clear the main canvas of an abstraction altogether as that would also clear the logic to fill the canvas again, and this logic generally would be in the abstraction itself. This restriction leads to really ugly workarounds. Second silly argument: dynamically patching an abstracion instance would still be ugly even when namcanvas was a property, as you'd still need to keep track of how many objects your logic (see above) contains and you would not be allowed to change it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
I see you found the thread yourself, while I was running around trying to find work instead of staying updated. On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total discredit, is not fashionable anymore but the conditions for women are not equal and we face feminicide (this is extermination of women)in various areas of the world. So I don't mind being sensitive to anything that is related to this. I don't mind femin-, but any -ism tastes nasty to me. femin-ism is, lexicographically or whatever, one step from sex-ism. Equality is equality, and doesn't need another name. If a man is treated badly for his gender, does he have less right to justice because he is a member of a group less often treated badly? Maybe not in theory, but in many people's actions, yes. I believe in equal rights, but I don't believe that is accomplished by focusing on one group of people. Oddly- not speaking of institutions- men are far more often victims of violent crime than women, at least in my country (worldwide anyone know?). They say a lot that women are most often victimized by people they know, but leave out that this is still less often than men are victimized. Occupational fatality, drug addiction, and suicide are traditionally higher among men, and men have shorter lives worldwide as well. It is very well-known that, in university, social studies subjects are filled largely with women and technological and scientific subjects by men, and that the latter are more well-paid positions. BUT could this have something to do with the fact that men are traditionally judged by women according to their income? I would far rather study art and history than mathematics (in fact I did, I have a music degree and make $0 from it, and often feel ignored on lists like this for my lack of computer science knowledge). It's true I know almost nothing about society in any place but North America and Europe, but I'm really not trying to belittle the ill treatment of women; I know forced prostitution, for example, still occurs in many places, probably more often with women/girls. But I don't believe humans are anything but animals, and I think, all things considered, they have done pretty well over the last few hundred years. I didn't start this thread on sexism because I didn't have any particular complaint against this list although I can remember some situations outside the list: - once a pd friend said to me that still no women wrote an external, ah yes I would like to program a external I said. He said oh well Yves can do that you don't have to do that. I think many people would say the exact same thing to me. it would be better IMHO to discuss things and not avoid it but yes that would take time, to look into what we really mean by sexism and ask around why women (hey but not only women) don't participate in this spaces. I wasn't aware that women didn't participate. My few exchanges with Patrice convinced me she knows far more than I about computers and especially Pd, but for a year or two I had no idea what her sex was. As they say in regard to the internet, I still don't REALLY know. BTW, I did remove a number of your comments in replying; I don't mean to erase them, I just had no response. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] Re: many paths, how
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 10:29 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Jamie Bullock wrote: It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I introduce new users to PD. interestingly enough i never have been asked this. most likely it is not the initial design that a lot of paths are to be added. Thinking about it, the people who ask this have generally come from Max/MSP, so not necessarily complete newbies. what i am dearly missing in your design is: 9) buttons to re-order the paths (since you cannot add change the paths directly, and i think it is very re-order paths in a way that involves opening several windows) in my work-cycle, path-order is a crucial thing when it comes to getting the right object. I agree - there should be some easy way to do this. IMO, the nicest thing would be for each path to have an anchor, which when clicked, rather than selecting the path, enables the path to be dragged up and down the list. I'm not sure how feasible this is in Tk though. Perhaps a pair of 'up-down' buttons adjacent to each path would be easier to implement: ^ v Clicking the top button moves the path up the list. Clicking the bottom one moves it down. 10) unify the path and startup dialogs into one single (possibly multi-tab) dialog. I completely agree. I forgot about the startup dialog! Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
Hello, just a parenthesis to make things clear, :), Chuckk Hubbard a écrit : I wasn't aware that women didn't participate. My few exchanges with Patrice convinced me she knows far more than I about computers and especially Pd, but for a year or two I had no idea what her sex was. As they say in regard to the internet, I still don't REALLY know. BTW, I did remove a number of your comments in replying; I don't mean to erase them, I just had no response. -Chuckk I've figured out some years ago that in united states 'Patrice' is a name given to women, when I've heard about the existence of Patrice Zappa, the sister of Frank Zappa. Also this name come from the roman 'pater' which mean 'father', or in french 'Patricien'. It's a communauty of people living during ancient Rome. I've no idea why my united statesian homologous (sorry didn't find a better translation for 'homologue') is a woman. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] Re: many paths, how
hi, didn't Chun Lee made all the work in desiredata? Jamie Bullock a écrit : On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 10:29 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Jamie Bullock wrote: It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I introduce new users to PD. interestingly enough i never have been asked this. most likely it is not the initial design that a lot of paths are to be added. Thinking about it, the people who ask this have generally come from Max/MSP, so not necessarily complete newbies. what i am dearly missing in your design is: 9) buttons to re-order the paths (since you cannot add change the paths directly, and i think it is very re-order paths in a way that involves opening several windows) in my work-cycle, path-order is a crucial thing when it comes to getting the right object. I agree - there should be some easy way to do this. IMO, the nicest thing would be for each path to have an anchor, which when clicked, rather than selecting the path, enables the path to be dragged up and down the list. I'm not sure how feasible this is in Tk though. There is the drag'n'drop tk lib for that it's called 'tkdnd' Perhaps a pair of 'up-down' buttons adjacent to each path would be easier to implement: ^ v Clicking the top button moves the path up the list. Clicking the bottom one moves it down. 10) unify the path and startup dialogs into one single (possibly multi-tab) dialog. I completely agree. I forgot about the startup dialog! Jamie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
On 10/18/07, Patrice Colet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, just a parenthesis to make things clear, :), Chuckk Hubbard a écrit : I wasn't aware that women didn't participate. My few exchanges with Patrice convinced me she knows far more than I about computers and especially Pd, but for a year or two I had no idea what her sex was. As they say in regard to the internet, I still don't REALLY know. BTW, I did remove a number of your comments in replying; I don't mean to erase them, I just had no response. -Chuckk I've figured out some years ago that in united states 'Patrice' is a name given to women, when I've heard about the existence of Patrice Zappa, the sister of Frank Zappa. Also this name come from the roman 'pater' which mean 'father', or in french 'Patricien'. It's a communauty of people living during ancient Rome. I've no idea why my united statesian homologous (sorry didn't find a better translation for 'homologue') is a woman. See, I never did inquire as to Patrice's gender... Sorry for the mistake! I wish Frank Zappa were alive and posting on this thread... -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Tuxdroid and pure data
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Re: [PD] many paths, how
Jamie Bullock wrote: I have a few ideas about how it might be improved: How about a checkbox recurse subdirs that'll traverse subdirs. I know this can lead to bad things (wrong load order of files with same name), but this can also happen with individual dirs. I'd like to split my growing pd instrument collection up into subdirs, but also having to maintain the path's dialog have stopped me so far... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
yeah, and as if anyone was taking away their revenue by using the term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws. understand you just doing the sensible thing and standing clear of the bastards though. the PD-RING is cool though. thanks for putting it up. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pyode problems
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: (sorry, if you get this twice, I forgot the attachement) (Sorry for replying late, I automatically sort away mails with zip files, as these often are virusses and I only occasionally look into that mbox.) when I play around with pyode world then I am having problems with the rotation of the objects (I think...?). I will look deeper into you example patches, but two questions: there seems to be one object in the middle of the space by default, is that from pyode? what exactly is it? It's actually three objects: Two cubes and a sphere. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find out where they come from. Hint: They won't go away if you delete the pyode-object. ;) and what am I doing wrong with the rotation, the objects behave a little bit strange. I attached a testpatch, so that you can see what I am doing. thanks for help. I would recommend to use or look at the [ode_*] helper abstractions that are included with pyode. They automatically do all rotations and translations for you. (Btw.: Instead of niagara you could use [list split]) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] many paths, how
But isn't this all deprecated? I thought the new official way of loading externals in Pd-Extended was to either use prefixes or the import object (which make more sense with the upcoming Pdpedia, permits the dynamic loading of libs and better follows the standard import method seen in other programming languages). Now, I bring this up because, if there is not a standard way of using Pd-Extended, it will tend to confuse new users and make patches incompatible between different use configurations. I could start a html documentation on the particularities of Pd-Extended. Tom On 10/18/07, Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Bullock wrote: I have a few ideas about how it might be improved: How about a checkbox recurse subdirs that'll traverse subdirs. I know this can lead to bad things (wrong load order of files with same name), but this can also happen with individual dirs. I'd like to split my growing pd instrument collection up into subdirs, but also having to maintain the path's dialog have stopped me so far... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)
what is this? I'm afraid to try On 10/18/07, Enrique Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? If I understand correctly str is a wrapper for standard string functions and it's output is a pointer to a string. I believe this approach is more limited that using any2string because all basic string functions can be recreated once a symbol is converted to a series of bytes. For example, to split a string along a space character you can use [list split 32], but with the [str] architecture, you need to use [str csplit 32]. Just my 2cents. Also, [any2string] does not break compatibility with Pd Vanilla. Tom On 10/18/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [str] is only included in 0.40.3 because it needs the string patch to pd to work. .hc On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:27 PM, marius schebella wrote: seems like mrpeach is not fully included in pd-extended or at least [str] is missing. is this an abstraction or a library? marius. Martin Peach wrote: Here's my unfinished attempt at a web server. It will send a file index.html to a browser. It uses the string patch to pd and the str object, which can handle ascii without pd interpreting it along the way. It may be possible to do it using other objects. The main problem is the detection of special characters like CRLF in the request. The content-length field is not necessary if you close the connection after sending the data, so you don't need to know how long the data is going to be before you start. I think I have done that in a later version that I can't find right now...Obviously the index.html file could also be generated by pd, and then it would all be more interesting. Martin #N canvas 539 0 727 919 10; #X obj 104 61 mrpeach/tcpserver 80; #X floatatom 171 237 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 286 191 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 324 138 unpack 0 0 0 0; #X floatatom 324 161 3 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 359 161 3 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 395 161 3 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 431 161 3 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 281 160 from; #X text 224 236 connections; #X text 199 191 on socket; #X obj 15 240 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 15 218 mrpeach/str csplit 32; #X obj 15 265 mrpeach/str compare GET; #X obj 22 282 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 1; #X obj 168 260 mrpeach/str csplit 32; #X obj 168 294 mrpeach/str compare /; #X obj 175 311 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 1; #X obj 153 339 ; #X obj 160 356 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 1; #X obj 153 371 sel 1; #X obj 219 343 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 115 20 client 1 c:/martin/pd_patches/index.html; #X obj 201 399 mrpeach/str to_list Content-Length: 32 53 48 13 10 13 10; #X obj 153 439 prepend 464; #X obj 28 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 161 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 293 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 426 705 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 28 726 print a; #X obj 161 725 print b; #X obj 28 682 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 161 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 293 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 426 683 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 293 726 print c; #X obj 426 726 print d; #X obj 27 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 160 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 292 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 425 776 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 27 753 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 160 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 292 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 425 754 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 27 797 print e; #X obj 160 796 print f; #X obj 292 797 print g; #X obj 425 797 print h; #X obj 26 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 159 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 291 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 424 843 mrpeach/str to_symbol; #X obj 26 820 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 159 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 291 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 424 821 mrpeach/str csplit 10; #X obj 26 864 print i; #X obj 159 863 print j; #X obj 291 864 print k; #X obj 424 864 print l; #X obj 366 373 prepend 388; #X obj 378 312 mrpeach/str to_list HTTP/1.1 32 50 48 48 32 OK 13 10 Content-Length: 32 50 49 56 13 10 13 10; #X obj 400 254 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 510 33 disconnectsocket \$1; #X msg 407 60 disconnectclient \$1; #X floatatom 429 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 407 11 f; #X obj 407 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699 -241291 -1; #X floatatom 532 -8 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 510 11 f; #X obj 510 -8 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -258699 -241291 -1; #X text 378 -27 disconnect by socket or client number; #X msg 352 212 set \$1; #X obj 321 446 t b b b; #X obj 360 468 f; #X obj 393 468 + 1; #X obj 360 488 i; #X obj 360 508 mrpeach/str to_list; #X obj 360 530 print count; #X floatatom 308 529 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X connect 0 0 12 0; #X connect 0 0 31 0; #X connect 0 1 1 0; #X connect 0 2 2
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
Yeah - I'm pretty sure that's completely groundless. You should send a copy to BoingBoing. They love that stuff. Understandable that you don't want to get into it with a big company, but I bet they don't have any legal leg to stand on. It's a real bummer. The pd webring is where I first learned a lot of stuff about the language. Sucks that people think they own the word. cheers dafydd Jack wrote: It's a joke ? webring is a trademark, hahaha, it's ridiculous. Jack Le 18 oct. 07 à 11:08, kluppe a écrit : hi pd-people! i received an email from webring.com, telling me that webring is now a registered trademark of webring.com and asking me to discontinue use of the term webring on my website. i don't know if this has any juristic relevance to me, since i am not in the us and i am not using the term for commercial activities, but i don't want to hire a lawyer to find it out. so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. sorry for the inconvinience shit happens d13b ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] many paths, how
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it would be very good to have cleaned up preferences windows for Pd in general. They are one of the biggest uability issues in Pd right now. If someone writes the code, it can easily be included into Pd-extended. Including it into Pd-vanilla is a different story, we'll see what happens there. I hate to say this: But a lot of these problems are already solved in Pd and Pd-extended. The solution is called .pdrc, and I'm personally still using it. It has practically endless space for libraries, paths and startup options, the options can be freely arranged, moved up and down, it works for non-admin users on Windows, copy'n'paste support is top notch, it can be themed with Vim, Notepad or Emacs themes etc. .pdrc rocks my world and it can rock yours, too! The only thing missing is comments. Oh, and unfortunatly it seems to be deprecated. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)
Just grubby little spammers. Glad you posted Charles, because your copy contains an identical query string, which means they do not have the iem list and therefore every mail was sent through the list and is identical (instead of a forged header). That means anyone who clicked the link has not been identified individually as a spam target. A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:12:37 -0500 Charles Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is this? I'm afraid to try On 10/18/07, Enrique Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction
Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: What can I do then about audio rate inlets? Inlets (sig and control) and arguments aren't related in any predefined way. Obviously you cannot pass signals itself as arguments, only symbols and numbers are possible, so any conversion to signals has to happen using some dsp object. As far as I understand they supply continious streams thus overriding and creation arguments I might supply. Is there something like [sel~] that'll only send the signal on should it be different from 0? Is [sig~ $1] of any help? It will take the signal to generate from the first argument. If that is missing, it would be the same as [sig~ 0]. The same of course is possible with any dsp-object that accepts arguments, like [hip~ $1] etc. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)
Enrique Franco a écrit : http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique you can't put this link like that in any mailing-list, you must provide informations about you and your purposes, otherwise it's considered like an annoyement. I've got a subscription to hi5.com, and couldn't find you among hundreds of subscribed 'enrique'. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] many paths, how
hi! Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it would be very good to have cleaned up preferences windows for Pd in general. .pdrc rocks my world and it can rock yours, too! The only thing missing is comments. Oh, and unfortunatly it seems to be deprecated. ;) Ciao things have been clean in pd until .pdsettings has arrived, now it's always a mess with pd settings, particulary under windows. For example, now I've got to change my soundcard settings after each pd boot since the least releases of pd-extended has been installed, and I didn't figured out yet how to fix it. Under linux I use .pdrc file, things are a lot easier with it, this file just misses a template with comments. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [shell] on OSX...
...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone else have this problem? Also, it doesn't seem to understand, for example cd /home/derek, since a pwd command immediately after still lists / as the current dir. Suggestions to speed it up/make it listen? OSX 10.4.10 PD-0.39.2-extended-test4 PD-0.39.2-extended-rc4 best, d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 105: Listen to the quiet voice ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:09:30 +0900 hard off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws. It's not copyright/trademark law, these are abusers of trademark law who operate from within a completely dysfunctional legal system in a country that has apparently abandoned the rule of law and allows it's citizens to intimidate foreign nationals with impunity. If this came from a Nigerian scam artist you would just inform your local police computer crime department of a 419, but unfortunately there is no recognition or remedy for receiving specious pseudo-legal threats. I can however understand Kluppes choice to avoid the stress and move on. But the problem with abusers, bullies and terrorists (whether they use force of arms or merely threats) is that once you capitulate they will be back for more. The question then is, at what point do you put up a robust defence? -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
Equality is equality, and doesn't need another name. If a man is treated badly for his gender, does he have less right to justice because he is a member of a group less often treated badly? Maybe not in theory, but in many people's actions, yes. I believe in equal rights, but I don't believe that is accomplished by focusing on one group of people. Chuckk, while I can sympathize with this, I would also suggest that the goal of many feminists is not equality in the limited sense of we get the same things as men. I hope that you don't take this as any kind of attack, because certainly this is not a reflection on you, but I am almost a little bored by that idea. After a certain point, doesn't the question become - how long will we keep chasing and catching up with men? In my opinion (as a man though), the more interesting varieties of feminism also encompass a celebration (or expansion) of femininity. The feminine does not have to be a static, rigid entity either - see Donna Harraway's A Cyborg Manifesto, or feminist responses to Deleuze/Guattari's rhizome. Economic justice does require some attention to the idea of equality, but it must an equality that is aware of difference, never turning a blind eye to it.. otherwise, how to address inequality? By turning back to some abstract enlightenment ideal, or by attending to the differences? Also I am not a computer science type either (as much as I often wish I was, my degree is in art, so we are related in the $0 market), but I've been on an interesting ride so far in large part because of pd and this list/community, for which I am very grateful. You can tell by my ridiculous newbie questions from last summer :) Also I found the mistake over Patrice really beautiful. km ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction
yo, hi frank and IOhannes On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 08:04 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: [loadbang] | [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats [list append $1] - allows both, symbols and floats On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 09:21 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: shouldn't this be [list append $1]? yes, of course. thanks roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, kluppe wrote: so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. You could also just ignore the guy. I am not planning to update my pd webring code anytime soon. I expect you to change the name back to pd webring. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)
Is Enrique a list member who genuinely posted that? If so, my apologies to Enrique if you were merely trying to enlist friends on your profile. As Pat says, it's an annoyance and considered bad form. It looks like a spam tactic where spammers obtain a list they want to filter for active email addresses. Please don't do this. a. On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:00:44 +0200 Patrice Colet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enrique Franco a écrit : http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique you can't put this link like that in any mailing-list, you must provide informations about you and your purposes, otherwise it's considered like an annoyement. I've got a subscription to hi5.com, and couldn't find you among hundreds of subscribed 'enrique'. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...
Derek Holzer wrote: ...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone else have this problem? i cannot help you here, but most likely it is a problem with initializing a context: everytime you call shell, it will have to restart the shell-interpreter which will take some time (when you start the terminal it also takes some time...once the terminal is up and running it is faster, but you don't get this with the [shell]) btw, this is the reasons why many often-used applications are often re-written as daemons (e.g. i have a virus-scanner that usually get's called from the cmdline to scan a file - this is too slow if you are using it on a mailserver; therefore there is a daemonized version of the scanner which is always running and which takes the data to be scanned via a pipe) this is also one of the reasons i hardly ever use [shell] but usually write a small shellscript server (using ./pdreceive) and send data to this server via [netsend] (and vice versa) i often find this more stable (and fun), but it is more complicated to setup. Also, it doesn't seem to understand, for example cd /home/derek, since a pwd command immediately after still lists / as the current dir. what makes you think it doesn't understand? whenever you call shell, it will open up a new context. so when you send cd /home/derek it will changedir into /home/derek (from /) and then quit. when you call pwd it will print the working directory of a fresh context (which is /) it is like when you open a terminal and do a cd /usr/local and then open another terminal and do a pwd... this behaviour is the same on all platforms. therefore you one usually uses scripts for more complex operations: $ cat /tmp/doit.sh #!/bin/sh cd /home/derek pwd and then do [/tmp/doit.sh( | [shell] fmadsr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)
Actually whenever you join any of these social networking sites they offer to import your email contacts and invite everyone who's email you have to add your profile. It's not spam in the classic sense it's just that enrique got click happy and didn't realise he was not only hitting the list with it but every single contact he has in his gmail or hotmail or whatever he imported. Not malicious..more unconcious than anything. Considering how many of his friends will write to him today saying wtf is this email you sent me I'm sure he'll read more closely before blindly clicking next from now on! lol eric 2007/10/18, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is Enrique a list member who genuinely posted that? If so, my apologies to Enrique if you were merely trying to enlist friends on your profile. As Pat says, it's an annoyance and considered bad form. It looks like a spam tactic where spammers obtain a list they want to filter for active email addresses. Please don't do this. a. On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:00:44 +0200 Patrice Colet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enrique Franco a écrit : http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique you can't put this link like that in any mailing-list, you must provide informations about you and your purposes, otherwise it's considered like an annoyement. I've got a subscription to hi5.com, and couldn't find you among hundreds of subscribed 'enrique'. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Eric Labelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disques Dubearth - www.dubearth.com F_actorvisuals - www.f-actorvisuals.net ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:35 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a. Use Here's how I remember it Marius. The term webring was in use circa 1995, in the preteen adolescence of the internet if you like. There were thousands of webrings on all subjects from absailing to ZX81 games. They came at a time when commodity hosting first rolled out and everybody started to have a website on Geocities and suchlike. While not as popular as BBS, forums, IRC or any of the other giant internet and pre-web phenomenon, webrings were of a scale that makes the term a generally understood public domain expression through common usage. They were a formative version of the social networking concept by direct association between sites. Any ideas on who coined the term? I guess you could possibly find references going back to 94 somewhere and pinpoint a first usage in the archives. Fast forward to about 2000. I'm searching for webrings on game modding about that time and seeing that one company had spamdexed the entire Google listings down past page 10 with individual entries, many of which were placeholders and didn't actually seem to exist. Their SEO tactics were so brutal you had to jump to pages in the low teens before you saw any of the old independent webrings. It seems since registering the domain in 1997 they've systematically been swallowing up private webrings and trying to shut down all the others for the last 10 years. Anyone got any stories or evidence that supports this view? a. -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, eric labelle wrote: Actually whenever you join any of these social networking sites they offer to import your email contacts and invite everyone who's email you have to add your profile. It's not spam in the classic sense it's just that enrique got click happy and didn't realise he was not only hitting the list with it but every single contact he has in his gmail or hotmail or whatever he imported. Not malicious..more unconcious than anything. What is malicious is that the social networking site has his email account password. They cannot be trusted with that. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? I don't know. I can't find the help file for [any2string] so I don't know how to use it. Maybe I have to look at the source code? If I understand correctly str is a wrapper for standard string functions and it's output is a pointer to a string. More or less true. There are also functions to output the string as bytes or symbols. I believe this approach is more limited that using any2string because all basic string functions can be recreated once a symbol is converted to a series of bytes. For example, to split a string along a space character you can use [list split 32], but with the [str] architecture, you need to use [str csplit 32]. That's one more character to type ;) If the web page patch could be done with [any2string] and [list] then sure. When I did the string stuff I was not aware of any other way of manipulating arbitrary lists of bytes. Pd tries to interpret anything you type and some characters don't get through unmangled. Even with the [str] object you have to specify them by ascii code. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...
Derek Holzer wrote:
Hi IOhannes,
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...
Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I
reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than
the same commandline entered into an open terminal. Or even that opening
a new terminal and then entering the command. I thought maybe there
would be a way to make it faster.
#!/bin/bash
netreceive udp | while read line
do
mkdir -p $(echo ${line} | sed -e 's|;$||')
done
[symbol\
|
[send /home/derek/test_$1(
|
[netsend 1]
if it get's more complicated just do it like this
#!/bin/sh
cd /home/derek
mkdir test_$1
and call your script with [/path/to/myscript.sh $1(
So simple bash scripts can use $1 as well? That was what I was unsure
about. I thought there was other syntax to introduce variables into them
that I *didn't* know.
it's the other way round: pd can use $1 as well, just like other
languages, including bash.
and what's more, $0 has a more logical meaning in bash...
fgnasdr.
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Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
I think webring is a generic term anyway, so I don't know what this company wants. you cannot name a product salt when used in connection with sodium chloride... marius. Andy Farnell wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:35 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a. Use Here's how I remember it Marius. The term webring was in use circa 1995, in the preteen adolescence of the internet if you like. There were thousands of webrings on all subjects from absailing to ZX81 games. They came at a time when commodity hosting first rolled out and everybody started to have a website on Geocities and suchlike. While not as popular as BBS, forums, IRC or any of the other giant internet and pre-web phenomenon, webrings were of a scale that makes the term a generally understood public domain expression through common usage. They were a formative version of the social networking concept by direct association between sites. Any ideas on who coined the term? I guess you could possibly find references going back to 94 somewhere and pinpoint a first usage in the archives. Fast forward to about 2000. I'm searching for webrings on game modding about that time and seeing that one company had spamdexed the entire Google listings down past page 10 with individual entries, many of which were placeholders and didn't actually seem to exist. Their SEO tactics were so brutal you had to jump to pages in the low teens before you saw any of the old independent webrings. It seems since registering the domain in 1997 they've systematically been swallowing up private webrings and trying to shut down all the others for the last 10 years. Anyone got any stories or evidence that supports this view? a. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
On 10/18/07, Kevin McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equality is equality, and doesn't need another name. If a man is treated badly for his gender, does he have less right to justice because he is a member of a group less often treated badly? Maybe not in theory, but in many people's actions, yes. I believe in equal rights, but I don't believe that is accomplished by focusing on one group of people. Chuckk, while I can sympathize with this, I would also suggest that the goal of many feminists is not equality in the limited sense of we get the same things as men. I hope that you don't take this as any kind of attack, because certainly this is not a reflection on you, but I am almost a little bored by that idea. After a certain point, doesn't the question become - how long will we keep chasing and catching up with men? I think it depends when and where you are. I worked for 6 years with almost all women coworkers (data entry), and the us vs. them mentality was strong and loud. I told a coworker once about a woman in Thailand who had severed her husband's genitals because she suspected he was cheating; her response: Well I guess he won't be cheatin no more. It was a hostile environment at times, and this was acknowledged and perfectly okay in some of my coworkers' minds because so many women at different times had been subjected to hostile environments by men. My point about equality is that we're not teams that need to even some score; maybe that's obvious to most of us, but I suspect we can't help sliding into that mentality sometimes. Else genital mutilation would be equally horrifying in all circumstances. In my opinion (as a man though), the more interesting varieties of feminism also encompass a celebration (or expansion) of femininity. Well said. That aspect I enjoy, but I still recoil from -isms. The feminine does not have to be a static, rigid entity either - see Donna Harraway's A Cyborg Manifesto, or feminist responses to Deleuze/Guattari's rhizome. Economic justice does require some attention to the idea of equality, but it must an equality that is aware of difference, never turning a blind eye to it.. otherwise, how to address inequality? By turning back to some abstract enlightenment ideal, or by attending to the differences? I think the best way is by understanding where it comes from (understanding is not the same as sympathizing, mind you). Something so universal throughout human history can't possibly be coincidence? Throughout most of history, survival was something people clung to desperately. The idea of sending women on a raid, or to hunt, or to sail across the ocean, was tantamount to slaughtering the next generation of infants. On the other hand, they could send all of the men except one and still have the same number of young born. Obviously this is no longer the case in some parts of the world today, and, even more obviously, most of the disadvantages/horrors brought upon women based on gender were/are completely irrational if inspired by this line of thought; but I still think it's the main factor that has caused society to do these things since forever. A woman can have one baby a year, a man 365, and for that baby to be born the woman must be kept from physical danger. Or whatever else our superstitious, slime-worshiping ancestors thought might hurt their societies. Anyway it remains to be seen whether humans can ever live peacefully for any length of time, and who knows if we'll last another 100 years. Here's hoping we all get the same rights as long as we do survive. Also I am not a computer science type either (as much as I often wish I was, my degree is in art, so we are related in the $0 market), but I've been on an interesting ride so far in large part because of pd and this list/community, for which I am very grateful. You can tell by my ridiculous newbie questions from last summer :) Also I found the mistake over Patrice really beautiful. km Heh, thanks. I'm male, by the way. You know, the public transit between Philly and Jersey is called Patco, and at first I thought I had found another Pd user and Zappa fan in Philly. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
The main difference is that moocow's conversion of a message into a string appends a 0 at the end of the created list. Tom On 10/18/07, Thomas O Fredericks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? I don't know. I can't find the help file for [any2string] so I don't know how to use it. Maybe I have to look at the source code? If I understand correctly str is a wrapper for standard string functions and it's output is a pointer to a string. More or less true. There are also functions to output the string as bytes or symbols. I believe this approach is more limited that using any2string because all basic string functions can be recreated once a symbol is converted to a series of bytes. For example, to split a string along a space character you can use [list split 32], but with the [str] architecture, you need to use [str csplit 32]. That's one more character to type ;) If the web page patch could be done with [any2string] and [list] then sure. When I did the string stuff I was not aware of any other way of manipulating arbitrary lists of bytes. Pd tries to interpret anything you type and some characters don't get through unmangled. Even with the [str] object you have to specify them by ascii code. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 19:15 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Derek Holzer wrote:
Hi IOhannes,
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...
Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I
reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than
the same commandline entered into an open terminal. Or even that opening
a new terminal and then entering the command. I thought maybe there
would be a way to make it faster.
#!/bin/bash
netreceive udp | while read line
pdreceive udp | while read line # there is no 'netreceive' command
do
mkdir -p $(echo ${line} | sed -e 's|;$||')
done
[symbol\
|
[send /home/derek/test_$1(
|
[netsend 1]
yeah, nice example of a server. thanks
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Re: [PD] Getting system time from an object
Check the help file for [shell] best, d. Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy to make an external for it but I think there should already be a way to obtain time. Any suggestions? Batuhan ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 107: Look at the order in which you do things ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy to make an external for it but I think there should already be a way to obtain time. Any suggestions? zexy's [time] fmgadrs IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The main difference is that moocow's conversion of a message into a string appends a 0 at the end of the created list. which is not true any more with recent versions of pdstring. the main difference still is, that str requires a patched version of Pd. fmard IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd It's not there in the autobuilt Pd version 0.40.3-extended-20070905 even though any2string is there in extra/flatspace, but I found it in cvs. I'll see if I can do the webserver with it. Martin Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? I don't know. I can't find the help file for [any2string] so I don't know how to use it. Maybe I have to look at the source code? If I understand correctly str is a wrapper for standard string functions and it's output is a pointer to a string. More or less true. There are also functions to output the string as bytes or symbols. I believe this approach is more limited that using any2string because all basic string functions can be recreated once a symbol is converted to a series of bytes. For example, to split a string along a space character you can use [list split 32], but with the [str] architecture, you need to use [str csplit 32]. That's one more character to type ;) If the web page patch could be done with [any2string] and [list] then sure. When I did the string stuff I was not aware of any other way of manipulating arbitrary lists of bytes. Pd tries to interpret anything you type and some characters don't get through unmangled. Even with the [str] object you have to specify them by ascii code. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
Bryan Jurish wrote: run. Hopefully, at some point I'll be able to implement [any2string] and [string2any] as simple wrappers around [str], but I haven't gotten around to trying it yet ;-) in the meantime, could you have a look at my last bugreport on pdstrings? fmg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead [maybe tired]. You never did explain why you claimed to read phrases like wet dream and gang bang here every day. Does this kind of language permeate the list whenever I turn my back? As far as I can tell your statement was a downright lie, and it caused a pretty long thread full of OT arguments. ==troll i started this thread mainly because i wonder why some women feel the need to create their own structures and events, and why we go straight to separatism, separate women and men, . so why we should have different agendas? one of the reason is that women can't take this macho c.r.ap. anymore. I'm not big on macho crap either, and you obviously aren't. A lot of times when people form their own separate structures, it's as much shyness as intimidation. Has THIS happened due to the language on this list?? Anyway I don't interpret crass humor as macho. Is Southpark macho? Does it repel women? -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, marius schebella wrote: I think webring is a generic term anyway, so I don't know what this company wants. you cannot name a product salt when used in connection with sodium chloride... marius. I believe that this is a trademark that changed hands several times since 1995 or so. It used to be a valid trademark but nowadays it's been so diluted by the generic use of the name by the general public, that it would be hard to defend now. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The main difference is that moocow's conversion of a message into a string appends a 0 at the end of the created list. Most likely it shouldn't, unless it uses the 0 as separator or terminator in what could be any number of strings in the same message. If the intent is that there can only be one string per list, then the 0 is superfluous, as in pd, a list knows its own length, which is usually not the case in C/C++, and which is the reason for the terminator. This reason does not exist in Pd nor most other programming languages. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd to webpage
Attached, two abstractions that can help. Feel free to modify. Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd It's not there in the autobuilt Pd version 0.40.3-extended-20070905 even though any2string is there in extra/flatspace, but I found it in cvs. I'll see if I can do the webserver with it. Martin Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? I don't know. I can't find the help file for [any2string] so I don't know how to use it. Maybe I have to look at the source code? If I understand correctly str is a wrapper for standard string functions and it's output is a pointer to a string. More or less true. There are also functions to output the string as bytes or symbols. I believe this approach is more limited that using any2string because all basic string functions can be recreated once a symbol is converted to a series of bytes. For example, to split a string along a space character you can use [list split 32], but with the [str] architecture, you need to use [str csplit 32]. That's one more character to type ;) If the web page patch could be done with [any2string] and [list] then sure. When I did the string stuff I was not aware of any other way of manipulating arbitrary lists of bytes. Pd tries to interpret anything you type and some characters don't get through unmangled. Even with the [str] object you have to specify them by ascii code. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list list.compare.pd Description: Binary data list.compare-help.pd Description: Binary data list.split.on Description: Binary data list.split.on-help.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
In my defense (for my instigative comments earlier in the thread), im not macho/sexist in any way, I am simply lewd, loud and obnoxious and enjoy cynical humor, because the joke is not the joke, its the fact that some genuinely may laugh at it. Some may even call me an asshole, but hey, at least I didnt *start* this goddamned thread. Anyway if you were offended, too bad. Really, Im not sure where the right to not be offended comes from, but frankly, if the list (and PD by extension) is truly to be open, someones going to be offended - get used to it. I realize one of my responses was sent privately, but I really want to say, for the women (and yes, I agree, speaking of women as girls is pretty dismissive), on the list that lurk, if you are offended by any speech on this list, its your job to speak up, lest it be perpetuated. Same goes for any group or individuals. However, I share the confusion on where the hell this whole thing came from. Frankly I think its a non issue. My opinion may not count though, as I have a penis. But fuck, I really do hate feminism as it is an ism, and by that I mean it has some strange life of its own. I could not be more for equality though. Well said. You know, I showed this thread to my girlfriend, and she basically rolled her eyes and laughed at everyone who takes this thread seriously. Stop trying to be so goddamned 'fair' and pay more attention to user experience in PD, its interface, compatibility and improving the overall experience of *using* the software. Perhaps all the *girls* (GROSS!) are using Max? On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead [maybe tired]. You never did explain why you claimed to read phrases like wet dream and gang bang here every day. Does this kind of language permeate the list whenever I turn my back? As far as I can tell your statement was a downright lie, and it caused a pretty long thread full of OT arguments. ==troll i started this thread mainly because i wonder why some women feel the need to create their own structures and events, and why we go straight to separatism, separate women and men, . so why we should have different agendas? one of the reason is that women can't take this macho c.r.ap. anymore. I'm not big on macho crap either, and you obviously aren't. A lot of times when people form their own separate structures, it's as much shyness as intimidation. Has THIS happened due to the language on this list?? Anyway I don't interpret crass humor as macho. Is Southpark macho? Does it repel women? -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Getting system time from an object
Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy to make an external for it but I think there should already be a way to obtain time. Any suggestions? Try hcs/ISOtime, it uses time from zexy. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] Re: many paths, how
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 16:47 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it would be very good to have cleaned up preferences windows for Pd in general. I hate to say this: But a lot of these problems are already solved in Pd and Pd-extended. The solution is called .pdrc, and I'm personally still using it. Yeah, I love .pdrc too! The thing is that if we are in a situation where it is easier to edit the prefs 'manually' in a text editor, there is something seriously wrong with the UI and it should either be changed or removed, otherwise things can get very frustrating (particularly for new users). Anyhow, I just followed Patrice's suggestion, and it looks like a lot of the things that are being suggested for a potential prefs redesign are already implemented in desiredata... Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring maintenance
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 08:05:31PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: http://mccormick.cx/ (mainpage seems to be not pd-related, had troubles finding the webring section in a subpage. funnily i once got directed directly to the s-abstraction subpage by the webring. it seems, there are two entries in the webring) I don't remember subscribing this page to the webring, and I am not sure why it's in there. It shouldn't be; how do I remove it? Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!
No problem on PowerPc G4, macosx 10.4.8 Jack Le 19 oct. 07 à 02:30, marius schebella a écrit : I cannot run the installer, it gives me an error codec overrun. this is intel mac os x. marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Please test this build lots! If no one finds anything that needs fixing, I am going to release this exact version: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/ There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to wait for the next release. Other than that, let's make sure there are no other outstanding issues. .hc - --- The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [Events] Y2k7 loopfest Santa Cruz, CA
There is an open bar with the 10 $ ? Jack Le 19 oct. 07 à 00:31, Beau Casey a écrit : http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ *** Y2K7 Best of Show Thursday, October 18th, 7pm The Drum Machine Museum (map) 1533 5th Street (Oakland, CA) HENRY KAISER / CHRIS MUIR (USA) LEANDER REININGHAUS (GERMANY) ERDEM HELVACIOGLU (TURKEY) RANDOLF ARRIOLA (SINGAPORE) PER BOYSEN (SWEDEN) FABIO ANILE (ITALY) DAVID MOLINA (USA) MICKEY T (JAPAN) $10 donation with no one turned away for lack of funds MAIN FESTIVAL Friday, October 19th, 8pm Pearl Alley Studios 120 Pearl Alley, Santa Cruz, CA HENRY KAISER (USA) ERDEM HAVICIOGLU (TURKEY) ARILD ANDERSEN (NORWAY) IMPROVISATIONAL TRIO (Henry Kaiser/Rick Walker/Arild Andersen) Tickets will be $10 at the door with no one turned away for lack of funds *** MAIN FESTIVAL Saturday and Sunday October 20 21, Noon to Midnight Pearl Alley Studios (MapQuest) 120 Pearl Alley, Santa Cruz, CA Featuring 46 performers from 9 countries See webpage for more details: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ *** Annual Loopers Brunch Sunday, October 22, 1pm Walnut Street Cafe ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
Patrice Colet a écrit : -once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals so Zeena Parkins, Laurie Anderson, ... never did anything.. Yeah! Superman is a great (and certainly one of the best) minimalistic audiovisual piece. I've made a typo it's Laurie Anderson's oh superman ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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hey! Yves Degoyon a écrit : ola, in fact, i do more of the visuals now but we don't use video anymore, text is more interesting. I'd like to ask you something*. What are you working on? Is (and how it is) it related with sound? -once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals so Zeena Parkins, Laurie Anderson, ... never did anything.. Yeah! Superman is a great (and certainly one of the best) minimalistic audiovisual piece. best, sevy * If you can't answer, no problemo. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
On 10/18/07, Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead [maybe tired]. You never did explain why you claimed to read phrases like wet dream and gang bang here every day. Does this kind of language permeate the list whenever I turn my back? As far as I can tell your statement was a downright lie, and it caused a pretty long thread full of OT arguments. ==troll OK, I think calling Yves an instigator (ie. trolling) is neither here nor there. It's just some dumb little label. You know that it doesn't add support for or against the point she made. Don't get so caught up on facts--the perception and subjective experience of discrimination/bias is just as important. and your point is made more clear later on: i started this thread mainly because i wonder why some women feel the need to create their own structures and events, and why we go straight to separatism, separate women and men, . so why we should have different agendas? one of the reason is that women can't take this macho c.r.ap. anymore. which is plainly valid. Other people have added their experiences that give a broader picture of what's going on, and support this reason. and outside the art or programming worlds, there is still a great need for feminism, whether or not you want to call it that. I won't try to back this up, I don't think I could adequately explain. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [Events] Y2k7 loopfest Santa Cruz, CA
http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ *** Y2K7 Best of Show Thursday, October 18th, 7pm The Drum Machine Museum (map) 1533 5th Street (Oakland, CA) HENRY KAISER / CHRIS MUIR (USA) LEANDER REININGHAUS (GERMANY) ERDEM HELVACIOGLU (TURKEY) RANDOLF ARRIOLA (SINGAPORE) PER BOYSEN (SWEDEN) FABIO ANILE (ITALY) DAVID MOLINA (USA) MICKEY T (JAPAN) $10 donation with no one turned away for lack of funds MAIN FESTIVAL Friday, October 19th, 8pm Pearl Alley Studios 120 Pearl Alley, Santa Cruz, CA HENRY KAISER (USA) ERDEM HAVICIOGLU (TURKEY) ARILD ANDERSEN (NORWAY) IMPROVISATIONAL TRIO (Henry Kaiser/Rick Walker/Arild Andersen) Tickets will be $10 at the door with no one turned away for lack of funds *** MAIN FESTIVAL Saturday and Sunday October 20 21, Noon to Midnight Pearl Alley Studios (MapQuest) 120 Pearl Alley, Santa Cruz, CA Featuring 46 performers from 9 countries See webpage for more details: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ *** Annual Loopers Brunch Sunday, October 22, 1pm Walnut Street Cafe ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...
http://www.ima.or.at/?page_id=295language=en Wow, if this woman is really NN... On 10/17/07, Michal Seta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, chris clepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, I am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other is Sean Booth of Autechre). NN was amusing then annoying then pathetic in a space of maybe 18 months. I know at least one more: max mailing list admin at McGill (back in the day when Max progressed from MIDI only to Max/MSP and from being owned by Opcode to c74). ./MiS ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Help the Environment, Plant a Bush back in Texas! I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. -- Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826) Give Peace a Chance -- John Lennon (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician If you think you can, or you think you can't, you are probably right. —Mark Twain Art may imitate life, but life imitates TV. Ani DiFranco ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
On 10/19/07, Charles Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead [maybe tired]. You never did explain why you claimed to read phrases like wet dream and gang bang here every day. Does this kind of language permeate the list whenever I turn my back? As far as I can tell your statement was a downright lie, and it caused a pretty long thread full of OT arguments. ==troll OK, I think calling Yves an instigator (ie. trolling) is neither here nor there. It's just some dumb little label. You know that it doesn't add support for or against the point she made. Honestly I wasn't even sure this sevy was really Yves, and for that matter I know nothing about Yves. As I said- the original statement was completely untrue; and the original poster hasn't responded to that fact. I honestly did not believe the subject was a problem on this list. Don't get so caught up on facts--the perception and subjective experience of discrimination/bias is just as important. And subjective. Which is to say anyone can experience it. The grass is always greener on the other side. As a feeling it's perfectly valid, like all feelings. and your point is made more clear later on: i started this thread mainly because i wonder why some women feel the need to create their own structures and events, and why we go straight to separatism, separate women and men, . so why we should have different agendas? one of the reason is that women can't take this macho c.r.ap. anymore. which is plainly valid. Other people have added their experiences that give a broader picture of what's going on, and support this reason. and outside the art or programming worlds, there is still a great need for feminism, whether or not you want to call it that. I won't try to back this up, I don't think I could adequately explain. Well like I said, I'd rather try to understand the mechanism behind something than to judge those involved. IMO you can't have a broader picture and pronounce judgments at the same time. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
