Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:
Ah, true.
So my suggestion would be to use something like *.pd_lua, *.pdlua or
*.l_lua as extension. What do you think? The same question may become
an issue for other loaders as well, so a standard solution would be
nice.
Ok, expect this change in the next release (sometime in March). I'm
leaning towards *.pd_lua personally, to match *.pd_linux and
*.pd_darwin, but if anyone has strong objections let me know.
i too think that *.pd_lua would be the best choice, even though
*.pd_linux seems to be deprecated in feavour of *.l_i386/*.l_ia64;
since the lua-scripts are supposed to be platformarchitecture
independent the l and ${arch} part so not make much sense, so i
guess *.pd_lua is the best choice.
(the point of this email is mainly, that *.pd_linux,... is not
necessarily the best template to build on, even though in this case it is)
fmgasd.r
IOhannes
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[PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game
Hi! Blender foundation together with crystalspace community just started making a kickass game http://apricot.blender.org. We are thinking about using puredata to handle the music system (and maybe also some more cool stuff), but I think it'd be important to be able to have puredata as a library to link and control it easier from the game (instead of running a separate process and handling all communication with osc socket). I think there was some work in progress in this direction with desiredata but i cant be so sure... can anybody confirm on the status of this or if its feasible at all? My general idea on the subject is we should be able to run pd as a game engine plugin (instead of our own sound system for example), and handle opening the different patches for different stuff, as well of communicating with each of them. Another thing, i'd like to hear from people who have used pd in games to know exactly what you did with it. I am one of main devs for the project, and i have great puredata experience, so i think it'd be very interesting to work on this, still, we are very time pressed so integrating pd should not pose too much runtime or distribution basic problems, specially the lib thing distresses me (and handling of patches from there). Just so everyone knows, we do have osc receiver in the game engine, so we could basically plug pd stuff to anywhere from object positions to shader variables to do funky stuff, sending osc messages to pd as part of logic also is not a problem. Cheers! Pablo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] searchpath inside patch
Hallo, Claude Heiland-Allen hat gesagt: // Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: I think recent Pd's have a system for adding paths in patches, but I've never used that feature. That system is [declare -path abs/]. It may currently not work inside abstractions. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
(())_n wrote: I like *.lua because editors recognize them as lua and are able to parse the magic. You should be able to manually choose a highlight mode in any decent editor, regardless of extension, and some you should be able to add a default mode for extra extensions. It would be confusing if .pd files were called .txt, I think What I was having problems with pdlua is that I have to restart PD whenever I change my script. Try the [luax scriptname argument1 argument2 a b 1 2] object. That reloads the script on each object creation, but the scripts have to have a slightly different format. Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Phasor Driven Midi File Playback?
saint wrote: I've been trying to incorporate synched looped midi file playback into a system of tabread looping players. So far I've been using xeq but recently discovered seq in the cyclone library. I can kinda get xeq to work but it involves me cheating the tempo of the file playback, banging a sync point at the start of every audio loop and I'm getting quite confused with the different xeq objects (the documentation has been down for a number of years)... Is there a more graceful way of doing this like I do with the phasor/tabread audio? I see that seq has a 'goto' command with seconds and milliseconds, if I fed that with my audio phasor would the midi loops play in sync with the audio loops? There's the [mrpeach/midifile] object. You feed it ticks from a [metro] to advance through the file and can jump to any tick in the file. It can also dump the file so you can find the tick number to go to. It doesn't know about seconds but you can tune the speed very finely. I have had it running in sync with the Hydrogen drum machine for hours at a time. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] no focus for gemwin on os x 10.5
solved!! sorry for the late reply, but something happened between 12/07 and 01/08 that solved that problem. I don't know, why I did not notice earlier. (I am using pd-extended 0.40.3 autobuild from 20080117. gemmouse working again and focus too, and everything, thanks to whoever fixed it! marius. marius schebella wrote: I was trying to google for other programs that have similar bugs, and most of them are talking about rez. maybe it is also related to fltk? does pd or gem use fltk? http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02489.html again, would it make a difference if I try to compile gem on 10.5? my last attempt failed... marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:31 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marius schebella wrote: hi IOhannes, ok, you're right, I am sorry. Is there anybody else working on GEM besides you and chris? well, hans has write access. i think chris is your man. I think Marius could fix it too, if he wants to :) Patches welcome! .hc fgmadsr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gemmouse wish
Hi IOhannes, is this still on your todo list? it would make interface building in gem a lot easier. marius. IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: B. Bogart wrote: Why not do [gemmouse 8 4] for 2:1 window? but then the window must have an aspect ratio of in 2:1 (which is ok if you do know it beforehand) generally i agree with marius, that it makes more sense if giving only one arg to [gemmouse] it should normalize to y. Of course you have to keep track of your own window size and alter the coords in responce, but that is largely the PD way anyhow, to keep track of what your doing yourself. You could just normalize from 0 to 1 and rescale based on your window size? As far as I know most platforms don't even allow mouse resizing of gemwindows... at least there is one... mfga.sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] SQLite for PD v0.0
If it is part of the build system, then the Windows build will come more or less automatically. .hc On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Rob, I am planning on putting this stuff up this weekend in the Extended CVS. I hope that I can have the Linux Makefile by then. I am not really certain about Windows, though... Mike On Jan 31, 2008 2:39 PM, robcanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd love to try this - is there a makefile for linux out there? or is there any other sql type object out there? thanks rob c -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] hover info
Parts of this have been coded, but were rejected by miller because of the implementation. It would be a useful thing, but getting things working is 1% inspiration 99% perspiration, so now someone just needs to code it :D .hc On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:48 PM, beau wrote: just an idea for helping people learn pd, but while not add hover info for each object. This would be some info about each object so that if you turn the mode on and then hover your mouse over the object a window pops up that tells you something about how it works? ~B/ www.cypod.co.nr ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: I am not sure if I agree with your (frank's) point. wouldn't it be easier keep your pd searchpaths clean of non-pd related lua scripts than to put a fancy file extension on every script? Not really: As soon as you start distributing things, you'd have to bundle your helper modules anway and explain everyone to not put them in their Pd paths. This would be even worse for Pd-extended: Where should the non-pdlua Lua files go? How to add and manage Lua search paths? It's a can of worms. anyway, I think 3 letters of file extension should be enough, *.pdl is shorter. You need to use bittorrent more often. ;) or add an obligatory description statement somewhere in the first lines of the script so that pdlua recognizes it as a pd loadable lua script. See my other mail why I don't think this is a good solution. And actually it's already in effect: When a Lua file doesn't register itself with Pd, it's not loaded. But Pd still tries to do so, which is one thing I'm trying to avoid. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Phasor Driven Midi File Playback?
ah brilliant thanks martin that's exactly what i need i reckon. will be able to try it out tomorrow properly! - Original Message From: Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, 11 February, 2008 8:19:56 PM Subject: RE: [PD] Phasor Driven Midi File Playback? saint wrote: I've been trying to incorporate synched looped midi file playback into a system of tabread looping players. So far I've been using xeq but recently discovered seq in the cyclone library. I can kinda get xeq to work but it involves me cheating the tempo of the file playback, banging a sync point at the start of every audio loop and I'm getting quite confused with the different xeq objects (the documentation has been down for a number of years)... Is there a more graceful way of doing this like I do with the phasor/tabread audio? I see that seq has a 'goto' command with seconds and milliseconds, if I fed that with my audio phasor would the midi loops play in sync with the audio loops? There's the [mrpeach/midifile] object. You feed it ticks from a [metro] to advance through the file and can jump to any tick in the file. It can also dump the file so you can find the tick number to go to. It doesn't know about seconds but you can tune the speed very finely. I have had it running in sync with the Hydrogen drum machine for hours at a time. Martin __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] table feedback tutorial
beautiful! i like opening the table window(s) and watching and playing with the forms and sounds. its like an electric arc. fascinating. m Am 08.02.2008 um 20:15 schrieb Claude Heiland-Allen: Hi all, I wrote a tutorial on using [table] [tabwrite~] [tabosc4~] in feedback loops: https://devel.goto10.org/dl.php?repname=maximuspath=%2Ftutorials% 2Ftable-feedback%2Frev=0isdir=1 File listing, to get a flavour of what's covered: 01_Introduction.pd 02_A_Simple_Loop.pd 03_Sample_Rate_Dependence.pd 04_Sample_Rate_Independence.pd 05_Blocks_And_Phase.pd 06_Decoupling.pd 07_Windowing.pd 08_Normalizing.pd 09_Double_Buffering.pd 10_Example_Organ.pd 11_Example_Sparkles.pd 12_Conclusion.pd Hope someone finds it useful, all feedback appreciated (sorry for the pun, heh). Thanks, Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Phasor Driven Midi File Playback?
Hi, I've been trying to incorporate synched looped midi file playback into a system of tabread looping players. So far I've been using xeq but recently discovered seq in the cyclone library. I can kinda get xeq to work but it involves me cheating the tempo of the file playback, banging a sync point at the start of every audio loop and I'm getting quite confused with the different xeq objects (the documentation has been down for a number of years)... Is there a more graceful way of doing this like I do with the phasor/tabread audio? I see that seq has a 'goto' command with seconds and milliseconds, if I fed that with my audio phasor would the midi loops play in sync with the audio loops? Cheers, as always, for your time. John. ___ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
hi I like *.lua because editors recognize them as lua and are able to parse the magic. What I was having problems with pdlua is that I have to restart PD whenever I change my script. Reloading the pd patch doesn't even do it. Could there be some autowatch flag read from the scripts that then checks to see if the file is changing and reloads it? If there is such a flag or method to reload the scripts without restarting PD please tell me. I have Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080203 on leopard. cheers + thanks! (())_n On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think that we'd probably be better off not adding any more arcane file extensions. Lua scripts don't have a required file extension, the .lua is just a convention in the lua world, but as an embedded language, you will fine lua scripts with all kinds of other extensions. *.lua however is kind of required when you import modules using require, but as pdlua scripts aren't modules, we'd better avoid to use it as well. An easy way to avoid this is to have pdlua look for a setup function in the .lua it is trying to open. If there is no setup function, then it wouldn't load that file. That's really the key technique for loading pd binaries. The differing file extensions aren't really necessary. I don't know much about it, but aren't loaders in Pd registered for file endings? I guess it may slow down things a lot if python, rt-scheme, Q, lua or whatever loader would first need to inspect all files to find out that most aren't loadable. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] searchpath inside patch
Achim Bornhoeft wrote: Is there a possibility to put a statement (relative pathname) inside a patch where to look for additional abstractions, for example to search for abstractions inside a subfolder abs which is in the same directory than the patch itself. You can use relative paths inside the object boxes, like [abs/] or so. I got tired of this quickly and keep all the patches for each project in a flat directory. I think recent Pd's have a system for adding paths in patches, but I've never used that feature. Also I don't know if [abs/a] would conflict with Pd-extended's namespace system, not using Pd-extended myself. Thanks for help, Achim Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd-extended box colors semi transparent
hi hans, does tcl/tk support transperency? is it possible to make the backgroundcolor of the objectboxes semitransparent? esp. in a case like this: [bang] | [bang] | [bang] you cannot tell if the middle bang is connected or not. also sometimes you could hide parts of objects, and I would rather like to have a transparent behaviour. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] sound device positions change after reboot Pd uses wrong soundcard
Hi all, Sometimes when I reboot, my soundcard seems to move up or down in the list of audio devices, causing Pd do start with the wrong one. Also aconnect 16:0 128:0 fails because 16:0 is now 20:0... It happens only now and then, so it's hard to test. Last time it happened after I accidently turned off the computer (so a 'dirty' reboot). How can I make sure the position and name of my soundcard is consistent throughout several reboots ? Or maybe dynamically adapt pd's startup options so that it will always use the right soundcard ? This is on a desktop with ubuntustudio (7.04 feisty), an internal (VIA8237) soundcard and a PCI with breakout (Echo Layla3G), using alsa and alsa-midi, pd 0.39 (time to upgrade, I know...) Any tips appreciated, Tim ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] good ol' font size test for 0.41
Unfortunately, 0.41.0 on Mac OS X still has the same IEMGUI/Pd font issue as before: inline: font0.41.0.png I still think it is best to hardcode tk scaling to 1 on all platforms. Pd is not using tk scaling at all, so it should be turned off, instead of writing code to work around a it. .hc On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Sorry for the slow followup. I'm of the belief that the font sizes for object, message, and comment boxes are the same in 0.41 as 0.40, would like to know if that's not true. I adopted all of HC's patches for the IEM GUIs, since fint size changes in those seem less of a problem. cheers Miller On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:43:55PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Martin Peach wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Has anyone tried testing the font sizes on 0.41 yet? I am reviving this good ol' font test patch to see how it's working. The [courier 10( box is a new size on Mac OS X (71x16) and it seems that the IEMGUI font and the Pd font are not the same size. On Mac OS X, a Pd font of 10pt matches the IEMGUI font of 12pt. The message box fits into a 60x19 rectangle here on WinXP, so it seems to be 2 pixels wider than previous versions. Hmm, so I guess 0.41 is basically in the same boat as previous versions in regards to box/font size problems. .hc - --- It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
I don't know how short file extension and bittorrent relate, because I really do not use bt often. but I think I got your point. btw, in max/msp when you add new files to the max-search path you have to restart max to make the changes effective. I think max caches the files somehow, and that probably makes the loading process of new objects faster. but I like the pd way more (although I think at some point (with thousands of folders to search this might slow down the system...) marius. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: I am not sure if I agree with your (frank's) point. wouldn't it be easier keep your pd searchpaths clean of non-pd related lua scripts than to put a fancy file extension on every script? Not really: As soon as you start distributing things, you'd have to bundle your helper modules anway and explain everyone to not put them in their Pd paths. This would be even worse for Pd-extended: Where should the non-pdlua Lua files go? How to add and manage Lua search paths? It's a can of worms. anyway, I think 3 letters of file extension should be enough, *.pdl is shorter. You need to use bittorrent more often. ;) or add an obligatory description statement somewhere in the first lines of the script so that pdlua recognizes it as a pd loadable lua script. See my other mail why I don't think this is a good solution. And actually it's already in effect: When a Lua file doesn't register itself with Pd, it's not loaded. But Pd still tries to do so, which is one thing I'm trying to avoid. Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] SQLite for PD v0.0
Sorry, Hans, I still have not put these things into the extended stuff yet. I am wondering if, as you suggest, that if I put everything into a subfolder in 'extras', then could I also place my abstractions there, too? Basically, I have a set of abstractions that I have been developing along with the externals (some for SQL, and some for other things). But I am seeing my stuff as kind of a self contained library that I have been using for my own projects. Anyway, I am still kind of stumbling around with the next example. It is a bigger example (a micro-tonal tone where organ) that stores both tunings as well as patches. I ran across some oddities with counter and using fractional increments, over the weekend, and it kind of set me back a bit (I am planning on posting the stuff I discovered about using fractional counters tomorrow). Mike On Feb 11, 2008 1:37 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is part of the build system, then the Windows build will come more or less automatically. .hc On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Rob, I am planning on putting this stuff up this weekend in the Extended CVS. I hope that I can have the Linux Makefile by then. I am not really certain about Windows, though... Mike On Jan 31, 2008 2:39 PM, robcanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd love to try this - is there a makefile for linux out there? or is there any other sql type object out there? thanks rob c -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
I am not sure if I agree with your (frank's) point. wouldn't it be easier keep your pd searchpaths clean of non-pd related lua scripts than to put a fancy file extension on every script? anyway, I think 3 letters of file extension should be enough, *.pdl is shorter. or add an obligatory description statement somewhere in the first lines of the script so that pdlua recognizes it as a pd loadable lua script. marius. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hi Claude and list, I'm thinking if a custom file extension for pdlua classes would make sense? Currently pdlua loads all *.lua files, which complicates working with *.lua modules not intended to be used as pd classes: Those would have to be in a directory outside of Pd's search path to not pollute Pd's namespace. So my suggestion would be to use something like *.pd_lua, *.pdlua or *.l_lua as extension. What do you think? The same question may become an issue for other loaders as well, so a standard solution would be nice. Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
On Feb 11, 2008 1:24 PM, B. Bogart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [smooth] in pixelTANGO does just lop in message domain, written by Thomas Grill. Should just work in pd extended... That's incorrect, [smooth] makes use of audio domain. The one by TG from 2003, anyways, perhaps there is another version of which I am not aware. ./MiS ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
[smooth] in pixelTANGO does just lop in message domain, written by Thomas Grill. Should just work in pd extended... .b. Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 22:43 +, matthew venn wrote: I'm a beginner with PD, and I'm finding it useful and frustrating in equal amounts! yo.. before you get too frustrated, ask the list first (as you did now). i'd assume that many people would be appreciative of your frustration and therefore are willing to help. Right now I'm looking at ways to smooth control signals. I wanted a control version of [lop~]. I couldn't find anything in the docs, archives or the wiki. In the end I made the attached abstraction using [lop~] and [snapshot~]. I wonder if this is inefficient? Now all my patches need to have 'compute audio' turned on. yeah, this is a bit inefficient, because it is not really necessary to go into the audio domain. I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. definitely it is. some people mentioned [line], which is probably the most preferrable solution in the most cases. if you _really_ want to have the behaviour of a [lop~], then have a look at attached patch, which tries to imitate a [lop~] in the message-domain. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] kraftpad/ddr_pad patch
This is my first PD project, thanks to Dave Merrill for the starter patch and inspiration. *If this patch already exists online please refer me to where I can find it.* 1) Here is what I'm trying to do: --Create a patch for Dave Merrill's DDR-style musical instrument.http://www.instructables.com/id/DDR-style-musical-instrument/ that will play notes from the cmajor scale when certain pads on the assembly are depressed. --Dave has already created a patch that interprets signals from the pad --I am trying to assign these (eight) signals to different oscillators so that when a pad is stepped is on one oscillator plays at a time. 2) Here are the issues I'm having: --all of the oscillators output continuously when I turn the audio on --not all of the inlets in cmajorscale_phasor.pd appear to be working in my subpatch (ie I step on a pad and only 4 of the inlets show they have recieved a float) 3) Attached is a patch of what I've come up with so far, as well as the other patches written by Dave Merrill. Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks, Noah cmajorscale_phasor.pd Description: Binary data kraftpad_win32wrapper.pd Description: Binary data kraftwindows.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
By the way, the mapping lib is included in Pd-extended. Check out Help - Browser - 5.reference - mapping. .hc On Feb 11, 2008, at 6:32 AM, cyrille henry wrote: hello, i did not see the original question. the mapping lib have a lot's of diferents kind of data filter. have a look at iir, fir and median_n objects. if you wish to use line, then have also a look at line3. cyrille Roman Haefeli a écrit : On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 22:43 +, matthew venn wrote: I'm a beginner with PD, and I'm finding it useful and frustrating in equal amounts! yo.. before you get too frustrated, ask the list first (as you did now). i'd assume that many people would be appreciative of your frustration and therefore are willing to help. Right now I'm looking at ways to smooth control signals. I wanted a control version of [lop~]. I couldn't find anything in the docs, archives or the wiki. In the end I made the attached abstraction using [lop~] and [snapshot~]. I wonder if this is inefficient? Now all my patches need to have 'compute audio' turned on. yeah, this is a bit inefficient, because it is not really necessary to go into the audio domain. I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. definitely it is. some people mentioned [line], which is probably the most preferrable solution in the most cases. if you _really_ want to have the behaviour of a [lop~], then have a look at attached patch, which tries to imitate a [lop~] in the message-domain. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http:// messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game
On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Pablo Martin wrote: Andy Farnell escribió: Hey Pablo, Yes it is feasible. So Apricot is to use Pd? Well its still being decided, and most team know nothing about pd, so they are a bit reluctant to accept this kind of risks... though they also understand some of the good parts, but of course i think it would be great. Hey Pablo! You should know that Pd is the sound engine for EA's Spore (http:// www.spore.com/ ). If that doesn't convince you that Pd will work in a game, I don't know what will. ;) I am not sure how much of EA's code made it back into Pd itself. I suspect that the new callback support in 0.41 is related. As for using Pd as a library, I don't think that is feasible. You need to have a realtime scheduler in order to use Pd, and I don't think Pd is so modular that you can separate the objects from the Pd scheduler. .hc kill your television ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] can't see objects, Pd-0.40.3-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe
Unfortunately not, at least from me. I am waiting for a power supply that I ordered, then I'll have a Windows machine again. .hc On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Ingo Scherzinger wrote: Any news about the windows version? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] searchpath inside patch
On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Achim Bornhoeft wrote: Is there a possibility to put a statement (relative pathname) inside a patch where to look for additional abstractions, for example to search for abstractions inside a subfolder abs which is in the same directory than the patch itself. You can use relative paths inside the object boxes, like [abs/] or so. I got tired of this quickly and keep all the patches for each project in a flat directory. I think recent Pd's have a system for adding paths in patches, but I've never used that feature. Also I don't know if [abs/a] would conflict with Pd-extended's namespace system, not using Pd-extended myself. Nope, no conflicts with Pd-extended, AFAIK. Pd-extended's libdir format just takes advantage of that feature in Pd. .hc Thanks for help, Achim Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sound for blender apricot opensource game
On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Pablo Martin wrote: Hi! Sorry guys i didnt see this thread before... Hans-Christoph Steiner escribió: By the way, is the Pablo Martin on the Apricot team caedes (who has done some work with PDP)? Yeah :). Thats why there is so much interest in using pd (also we got some emails already about people )... as i'm talking about it with people. Of course there is a lot of concern about some stuff, as we have huge todolist already, which is why i started a thread this morning to try get some feedback. My main concern is i have some experience in controlling pd from some other programs (both games and vj tools) and i always wished to be able to control pd from program itself instead of its command line interface (which sucks :D), ie, use it as a real library. If people can answer my question and maybe even step forward to help (with the library thing), all the better. This is a great opportunity to do some cross publicizing of different tools. You might be interested in IEM's xmlrpc library for Pd. That will give you an interface closer to a library. We could use this project as an impetus to get iemxmlrpc into Pd-extended, if it isn't already. Other options are OSC, and just using Pd messages over a network socket (they are very simple format, anything ASCII ending with a semi-colon and a carraige return). It would also be a useful test case for steering the build system towards making custom distros. This would mean that Apricot could easily use any Pd library that is included in Pd-extended, but we could then strip out anything that isn't actually used. I'll be in Amsterdam from April 30th until May 7th ish, I could meet up with you guys for some face time, if that's not too late. :) .hc There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended box colors semi transparent
That's a bug, cords should always be on top. Please file a report if there isn't one there already. The new color scheme still needs some work. I think transparency would be too heavy for this anyway, and we don't need it to represent things AFAIK. .hc On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:54 PM, marius schebella wrote: hi hans, does tcl/tk support transperency? is it possible to make the backgroundcolor of the objectboxes semitransparent? esp. in a case like this: [bang] | [bang] | [bang] you cannot tell if the middle bang is connected or not. also sometimes you could hide parts of objects, and I would rather like to have a transparent behaviour. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game
Andy Farnell escribió: Hey Pablo, Yes it is feasible. So Apricot is to use Pd? Well its still being decided, and most team know nothing about pd, so they are a bit reluctant to accept this kind of risks... though they also understand some of the good parts, but of course i think it would be great. Pablo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] lost messages with netsend
Ok, I have been able to isolate it and create a test patch. The bug is triggered when, immediately after connecting (i.e. triggered by the 1 output by netsend), you send MANY messages through netsend. The first X messages are lost, where X is not necessarily an integer. I guess it is an overflow in some buffer. Note that if you send the very same amount of messages at any other moment, not immediately after connecting, they are sent correctly. I attach the test patch. I will file it to the bug tracker - I post it here just because it answer the question I previously posted 2008/2/11, matteo sisti sette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I use netsend and netreceive to send messages across 2 instances of pd on the same machine (localhost). I use the outlet of netsend to detect when netsend is connected, and when it is ([select 1]) I immediately send out some data through it. IN SOME CASES (no consistent behaviour detected), these data that are sent just after the connection is established, are simply LOST, i.e. they are not received at the other end, and netsend does NOT give the error netsend: not connected. I cannot provide a test patch, since in any simple test this does not happen, but when I put the very very exact same thing into a bigger patch, this happens. Even a [delay 0] between detecting the active connection and sending the data does not fix the problem, while a [delay 500] for example does. In summary the problem is: Messages sent to a [netsend] immediately after the connection is established (after netsend has output a 1) may be lost, without issuing an error message. Has anyone experienced it? Any suggestion on how to systematically trigger it so as to produce a test patch to post to the bug tracker? The bug may even be in netreceive, not necessarily netsend. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com #N canvas 158 146 1048 517 12; #X obj 181 140 netsend; #X msg 134 63 connect localhost 5000; #X obj 181 170 select 1; #X msg 195 99 disconnect; #X obj 180 229 t b b; #X msg 241 255 0; #X obj 179 292 until; #X obj 175 332 f; #X obj 214 331 + 1; #X msg 17 219 send bla bla \$1; #X obj 739 156 print CONNECTED; #X obj 624 202 print DATA; #X obj 624 121 netreceive 5000; #X msg 178 264 1000; #X obj 271 171 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 13 0; #X connect 4 1 5 0; #X connect 5 0 7 1; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 7 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 9 0; #X connect 8 0 7 1; #X connect 9 0 0 0; #X connect 12 0 11 0; #X connect 12 1 10 0; #X connect 13 0 6 0; #X connect 14 0 4 0; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] lost messages with netsend
Hi, I use netsend and netreceive to send messages across 2 instances of pd on the same machine (localhost). I use the outlet of netsend to detect when netsend is connected, and when it is ([select 1]) I immediately send out some data through it. IN SOME CASES (no consistent behaviour detected), these data that are sent just after the connection is established, are simply LOST, i.e. they are not received at the other end, and netsend does NOT give the error netsend: not connected. I cannot provide a test patch, since in any simple test this does not happen, but when I put the very very exact same thing into a bigger patch, this happens. Even a [delay 0] between detecting the active connection and sending the data does not fix the problem, while a [delay 500] for example does. In summary the problem is: Messages sent to a [netsend] immediately after the connection is established (after netsend has output a 1) may be lost, without issuing an error message. Has anyone experienced it? Any suggestion on how to systematically trigger it so as to produce a test patch to post to the bug tracker? The bug may even be in netreceive, not necessarily netsend. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd becomes unresponsive but does not eat cpu
Claude Heiland-Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Some versions of Pd behave like this if you try to print certain
characters like '{'.
You mean using [print] ?
Is 0.40.1 one of those version?
I don't think it's my case though. I'm printing plenty of things but I
don't think there's any strange character in them. Indeed I was now
trying to print a { to test it, and I don't even know how to do that
(I can't type a { in a message box) so it's unlikely I have done it
unintentionally
However, what other character may cause this? Are there other [print]
weirdnesses that can cause the problem apart from printing special
characters?
Thanks
m.
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Re: [PD] Comments on pd as a library to be used in game
Hey Pablo, Yes it is feasible. So Apricot is to use Pd? You literally caught me walking out the door for a few days off. So I'll get back to this discussion Thursday. I've pretty much got an object for every sound you need in a game including detailed parameterisation and some already with OSC bindings. We have several people here on list who are enthusiastic about working such a project and I am in regular touch with other researchers and programmers who are developing this area. good wishes to you, chat soon, Andy On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:17:26 +0100 Pablo Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Blender foundation together with crystalspace community just started making a kickass game http://apricot.blender.org. We are thinking about using puredata to handle the music system (and maybe also some more cool stuff), but I think it'd be important to be able to have puredata as a library to link and control it easier from the game (instead of running a separate process and handling all communication with osc socket). I think there was some work in progress in this direction with desiredata but i cant be so sure... can anybody confirm on the status of this or if its feasible at all? My general idea on the subject is we should be able to run pd as a game engine plugin (instead of our own sound system for example), and handle opening the different patches for different stuff, as well of communicating with each of them. Another thing, i'd like to hear from people who have used pd in games to know exactly what you did with it. I am one of main devs for the project, and i have great puredata experience, so i think it'd be very interesting to work on this, still, we are very time pressed so integrating pd should not pose too much runtime or distribution basic problems, specially the lib thing distresses me (and handling of patches from there). Just so everyone knows, we do have osc receiver in the game engine, so we could basically plug pd stuff to anywhere from object positions to shader variables to do funky stuff, sending osc messages to pd as part of logic also is not a problem. Cheers! Pablo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd becomes unresponsive but does not eat cpu
Some versions of Pd behave like this if you try to print certain
characters like '{'.
matteo sisti sette wrote:
Symptoms are somewhat similar to an unstopped [until], except that:
- an unstopped until eats up almost 100% cpu (50% on a dual core),
while I'm experiencing 0% cpu consumption
- a while, an unstopped until is automatically stopped or something
(is it the watchdog?) and pd becomes responsive again, while I am not
experiencing this.
2008/2/11, matteo sisti sette [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
Does anyone know what kind of errors may cause PD to become completely
unresponsive (i.e.: you click on any GUI object and nothing happens,
ctrl+e does not change cursor, clicking on any object doesn't open it,
pd's window won't close, etc) but without consuming any CPU at all
(0%)???
It's something triggered by something in my patch, but as usual I am
not able to isolate it, as all tests with small quantities of things
always worked and never had any error, and just when things get bigger
(only a matter of quantity: more instances of the very same things)
something weird happens
Windows XP here.
What if a message tree becomes HUGE not in depth (which would give a
stack overflow) but in breadth? A part from the time needed to
execute it (if that was the problem, pd would hang consuming a lot of
cpu), is it possible that it gets just too big and everything breaks
and stop working without triggering a stack overflow or whatever
error? Or must it be something else?
Thanks,
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Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
hello, i did not see the original question. the mapping lib have a lot's of diferents kind of data filter. have a look at iir, fir and median_n objects. if you wish to use line, then have also a look at line3. cyrille Roman Haefeli a écrit : On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 22:43 +, matthew venn wrote: I'm a beginner with PD, and I'm finding it useful and frustrating in equal amounts! yo.. before you get too frustrated, ask the list first (as you did now). i'd assume that many people would be appreciative of your frustration and therefore are willing to help. Right now I'm looking at ways to smooth control signals. I wanted a control version of [lop~]. I couldn't find anything in the docs, archives or the wiki. In the end I made the attached abstraction using [lop~] and [snapshot~]. I wonder if this is inefficient? Now all my patches need to have 'compute audio' turned on. yeah, this is a bit inefficient, because it is not really necessary to go into the audio domain. I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. definitely it is. some people mentioned [line], which is probably the most preferrable solution in the most cases. if you _really_ want to have the behaviour of a [lop~], then have a look at attached patch, which tries to imitate a [lop~] in the message-domain. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pitchshifter object?
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Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 22:43 +, matthew venn wrote: I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. I think [mavg] from the zexy library does what you want. zexy is included with Pd-extended. If you are on Linux another easy way to get it might be through your package manager (depending on which distro you use). Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] smoothing control signals
Hi list, I'm a beginner with PD, and I'm finding it useful and frustrating in equal amounts! Right now I'm looking at ways to smooth control signals. I wanted a control version of [lop~]. I couldn't find anything in the docs, archives or the wiki. In the end I made the attached abstraction using [lop~] and [snapshot~]. I wonder if this is inefficient? Now all my patches need to have 'compute audio' turned on. I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. Thanks, Matthew controlsmoother.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
On Feb 11, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: (())_n wrote: I like *.lua because editors recognize them as lua and are able to parse the magic. You should be able to manually choose a highlight mode in any decent editor, regardless of extension, and some you should be able to add a default mode for extra extensions. It would be confusing if .pd files were called .txt, I think It would be. But .pd seems good enough, we get along fine without .pd_abstraction, .pd_patch, etc. And Max/MSP's mxj seems to work fine only using .java. pyext seems to work well using only .py. There is nothing stopping anyone from making a .dll on Windows with a setup function and sticking it in pd/extra. If someone tried to load it, Pd would make it's best effort, and the setup function won't create any inlets or outlets, so it would just sit there. The reason why Pd has so many extensions for binaries is to deal with binary incompatibility (i.e. an object compiled for PowerPC won't work on Intel). If you want to make support classes in a separate lua file, I would recommend a subdir, like support/myfile.lua. That would make things clear without having to create custom file extensions, which will break all sorts of other things, like automatic detection in editors, as well as creating an extra arcane detail unique to Pd that someone has to learn in order to use pdlua. .hc What I was having problems with pdlua is that I have to restart PD whenever I change my script. Try the [luax scriptname argument1 argument2 a b 1 2] object. That reloads the script on each object creation, but the scripts have to have a slightly different format. Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sound for blender apricot opensource game
afaik, xmlrpc is a little bit slower, because it uses a pull mechanism. you send a request from a client to the server and that responds with data. i think just sending osc over udp is faster. don't know about securityissues... marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Pablo Martin wrote: Hi! Sorry guys i didnt see this thread before... Hans-Christoph Steiner escribió: By the way, is the Pablo Martin on the Apricot team caedes (who has done some work with PDP)? Yeah :). Thats why there is so much interest in using pd (also we got some emails already about people )... as i'm talking about it with people. Of course there is a lot of concern about some stuff, as we have huge todolist already, which is why i started a thread this morning to try get some feedback. My main concern is i have some experience in controlling pd from some other programs (both games and vj tools) and i always wished to be able to control pd from program itself instead of its command line interface (which sucks :D), ie, use it as a real library. If people can answer my question and maybe even step forward to help (with the library thing), all the better. This is a great opportunity to do some cross publicizing of different tools. You might be interested in IEM's xmlrpc library for Pd. That will give you an interface closer to a library. We could use this project as an impetus to get iemxmlrpc into Pd-extended, if it isn't already. Other options are OSC, and just using Pd messages over a network socket (they are very simple format, anything ASCII ending with a semi-colon and a carraige return). It would also be a useful test case for steering the build system towards making custom distros. This would mean that Apricot could easily use any Pd library that is included in Pd-extended, but we could then strip out anything that isn't actually used. I'll be in Amsterdam from April 30th until May 7th ish, I could meet up with you guys for some face time, if that's not too late. :) .hc There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] SQLite for PD v0.0
You could make a library that includes your sqldb object and those abstractions. I think that's the way to do it. They you could set up your stuff in SVN like this: pure-data/trunk/externals/mogo/sqldb And then have other projects like this: pure-data/trunk/externals/mogo/otherproject pure-data/trunk/externals/mogo/yetanother .hc On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Sorry, Hans, I still have not put these things into the extended stuff yet. I am wondering if, as you suggest, that if I put everything into a subfolder in 'extras', then could I also place my abstractions there, too? Basically, I have a set of abstractions that I have been developing along with the externals (some for SQL, and some for other things). But I am seeing my stuff as kind of a self contained library that I have been using for my own projects. Anyway, I am still kind of stumbling around with the next example. It is a bigger example (a micro-tonal tone where organ) that stores both tunings as well as patches. I ran across some oddities with counter and using fractional increments, over the weekend, and it kind of set me back a bit (I am planning on posting the stuff I discovered about using fractional counters tomorrow). Mike On Feb 11, 2008 1:37 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is part of the build system, then the Windows build will come more or less automatically. .hc On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Rob, I am planning on putting this stuff up this weekend in the Extended CVS. I hope that I can have the Linux Makefile by then. I am not really certain about Windows, though... Mike On Jan 31, 2008 2:39 PM, robcanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd love to try this - is there a makefile for linux out there? or is there any other sql type object out there? thanks rob c -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- -- http://at.or.at/hans/ -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sound for blender apricot opensource game
Hi! Sorry guys i didnt see this thread before... Hans-Christoph Steiner escribió: By the way, is the Pablo Martin on the Apricot team caedes (who has done some work with PDP)? Yeah :). Thats why there is so much interest in using pd (also we got some emails already about people )... as i'm talking about it with people. Of course there is a lot of concern about some stuff, as we have huge todolist already, which is why i started a thread this morning to try get some feedback. My main concern is i have some experience in controlling pd from some other programs (both games and vj tools) and i always wished to be able to control pd from program itself instead of its command line interface (which sucks :D), ie, use it as a real library. If people can answer my question and maybe even step forward to help (with the library thing), all the better. This is a great opportunity to do some cross publicizing of different tools. Pablo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] searchpath inside patch
Is there a possibility to put a statement (relative pathname) inside a patch where to look for additional abstractions, for example to search for abstractions inside a subfolder abs which is in the same directory than the patch itself. Thanks for help, Achim ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] can't see objects, Pd-0.40.3-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe
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Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
[pack 0 0] | [line] is what you are after. The control data goes in the left inlet of pack, and on the right is the amount of interpolation in ms. See the help file for [line] for more info. You can also use [line~] for controlling audio objects. d. matthew venn wrote: Hi list, I'm a beginner with PD, and I'm finding it useful and frustrating in equal amounts! Right now I'm looking at ways to smooth control signals. I wanted a control version of [lop~]. I couldn't find anything in the docs, archives or the wiki. In the end I made the attached abstraction using [lop~] and [snapshot~]. I wonder if this is inefficient? Now all my patches need to have 'compute audio' turned on. I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 1: (Organic) machinery ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] microphone feedback canceling
You're on the right track. Most DSP feedback filters try to track the loudest sinusoidal frequency and then use a notch filter to reduce it. You could try something with [fiddle~], and make sure that the signals you want to pass remain below a certain threshold. Then everything above that could be checked by [fiddle~] which could drive the filter. But really, if you soundcheck things well and keep mic levels within reason, this kind of thing shouldn't be necessary. I used mics and PD for a few years live and never ran into this problem provided I had a soundcheck. best, d. tim wrote: Hi, I'm planning to use a microphone on stage, with pd. With it comes the risk of unwanted feedback. Has anyone done a feedback canceling patch or seen a proven technique ? I don't know much about how this works in commercial devices (and if they really work for that matter), but I suppose it's done by detecting a frequency that peaks and apply a filter on that... -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 161: Trust in the you of now ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smoothing control signals
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 22:43 +, matthew venn wrote: I'm a beginner with PD, and I'm finding it useful and frustrating in equal amounts! yo.. before you get too frustrated, ask the list first (as you did now). i'd assume that many people would be appreciative of your frustration and therefore are willing to help. Right now I'm looking at ways to smooth control signals. I wanted a control version of [lop~]. I couldn't find anything in the docs, archives or the wiki. In the end I made the attached abstraction using [lop~] and [snapshot~]. I wonder if this is inefficient? Now all my patches need to have 'compute audio' turned on. yeah, this is a bit inefficient, because it is not really necessary to go into the audio domain. I'm sure I must have missed an obvious external or patch somewhere, as it seems to me like quite a useful function. definitely it is. some people mentioned [line], which is probably the most preferrable solution in the most cases. if you _really_ want to have the behaviour of a [lop~], then have a look at attached patch, which tries to imitate a [lop~] in the message-domain. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] *.lua = *.pd_lua or *.l_lua?
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think that we'd probably be better off not adding any more arcane file extensions. Lua scripts don't have a required file extension, the .lua is just a convention in the lua world, but as an embedded language, you will fine lua scripts with all kinds of other extensions. *.lua however is kind of required when you import modules using require, but as pdlua scripts aren't modules, we'd better avoid to use it as well. An easy way to avoid this is to have pdlua look for a setup function in the .lua it is trying to open. If there is no setup function, then it wouldn't load that file. That's really the key technique for loading pd binaries. The differing file extensions aren't really necessary. I don't know much about it, but aren't loaders in Pd registered for file endings? I guess it may slow down things a lot if python, rt-scheme, Q, lua or whatever loader would first need to inspect all files to find out that most aren't loadable. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] lua questions
hi marius, try glTranslated instead of glTransatef. I remember Wes saying that lua converts everything to double. cheers, (())_n On Feb 8, 2008, at 8:21 PM, marius schebella wrote: hi, maybe this is related to the luagl version I am using, or this is some other problem, but glTranslatef(0.0, 0.0, 1.0) or glScalef(2.0, 2.0, 2.0) give me an error attempt to call global 'glTranslatef' (a nil value). I call it a day, marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
