Re: [PD] pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5
I don't know how annoying it would be, as I don't use it that often anyway (I usually stick something like that in [expr~]) but what if a little warning message showed up in the Pd window when a patch loads with [pow~], at least in the next release or two? I think that would just help people catch it quicker. although this might imply cooperation from the developers (I guess), I find it a good solution. about the library loading thing: is it possible to put vanilla loading before all other libraries as default? that should ensure vanilla-compatibility before anything else. another developement could involve a more user-friendly startup window: instead of the current one, maybe a dynamic list which scans the folders of extra and adds checkboxes to them? the checked fields will be loaded by next time. also with select all and unselect all options. but maybe this involves too much effort? João .mmb Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If that is true, there could be a lot of patches out there that use [pow~] as cyclone's pow~ and would need to be changed. Therefore we'd need to make some kind of way to alert people which one they are using and the differences between them. The SVN is pretty clean, there is only one patch in there that uses [pow~]: (nusmuk/distortion.pd) The vanilla pow~ does make more sense, IMHO. I think the biggest concern is minimizing breakage and helping people avoid annoying bugs. .hc On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:40 PM, hard off wrote: i think you have to look at which method would benefit the greatest amount of people. so, i think you'll find that far more people will benefit from proper vanilla compatibility straight out of the box, than will benefit from the cyclone library. If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Safe video feedback in Gem?
I want to feed an output image (modified) back as input to itself, to create fractals. Could someone point me to an example of doing so? So far, googling has only produced articles on *avoiding* feedback, and in audio at that. Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Pd-vanilla added pow~, abs~, exp~, and log~. Pd-extended had those from cyclone by default since 0.39.3. IIRC, pow~ is the only one that has issues since it it incompatible with the cyclone one. So I am wondering how best to handle this in the next Pd-extended release. I have started making a 'vanilla' libdir that is all of the pd-internals from 0.42.5. This gives us the option to keep the cyclone pow~ as the default and then access the new pow~ via vanilla/pow~ and the standard declare/import styles. So all you who use pow~ with Pd-extended, what do you think the best plan is? I didn't use pow~ with Pd-extended, but I've used Cyclone before (though not its pow~, I prefered the expr~ pow then.) Anyway there was a big discussion about which pow~ is the right pow~ in regard to inlet order on pd-dev. Consensus was that the right pow~ should have its inlets as it is in vanilla now. Andy Farnell's book on sound design uses this version of pow~ all over the place. As it is an internal in vanilla now, I would suggest to make this definitive version the default in Pd extended as well and not deliberatly create an incompatibility between the same versions of Pd extended and Pd vanilla. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
Alexandre Porres a écrit : Oh wow, no wonder I didn't know :) Ok, great, I will just wait for the official release :) pd 0.42 is in the air for about 1 year, pd 0.42-5 was officially release 6 month ago. http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html Cyrille Anyway, It still bothers me not being able to deal with $0 on messages, what you guys think? is there a good reason for it to be this way? Or is it something that could be easily updated on a further version? Thanks Alex On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote: Am 12.11.2009 um 00:19 schrieb Alexandre Porres: Hmmm, it does look simpler than I thought :) Now, where can I find this pretty Whole Word Toggle? in the devel version http://autobuild.puredata.org/auto-build/latest/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Safe video feedback in Gem?
hello, have you look at gem examples? Gem/examples/07.texture/07.feedback.pd Cyrille Dudley Brooks a écrit : I want to feed an output image (modified) back as input to itself, to create fractals. Could someone point me to an example of doing so? So far, googling has only produced articles on *avoiding* feedback, and in audio at that. Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Gem- Text2d - Trouble
Thanks for your answer. but I can't use a MAC for my patch. I test this patch on power-pc, G5 and Mac book pro and that's always the same incredible cpu with text2d. I know that's text3d is more light than text2d but I don't like the video result. So I use a pc now and with all my pc (windows or linux) it's ok with this. So MAC driver gfx-card are a problem with antialias and text2d or not? Cheers Thomas IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : matohawk wrote: Ok but why PC is better than MAC depends on your driver and gfx-card. fgamsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
Hey, sure, I meant the Pd-Extended version... :) On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: Alexandre Porres a écrit : Oh wow, no wonder I didn't know :) Ok, great, I will just wait for the official release :) pd 0.42 is in the air for about 1 year, pd 0.42-5 was officially release 6 month ago. http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html Cyrille Anyway, It still bothers me not being able to deal with $0 on messages, what you guys think? is there a good reason for it to be this way? Or is it something that could be easily updated on a further version? Thanks Alex On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com mailto: abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote: Am 12.11.2009 um 00:19 schrieb Alexandre Porres: Hmmm, it does look simpler than I thought :) Now, where can I find this pretty Whole Word Toggle? in the devel version http://autobuild.puredata.org/auto-build/latest/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Filling an audio array. Question..
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Re: [PD] Research delay
Hello João Pais, exactly I'm looking for help to get on a track to understand the situation for such approach in the world of sound technologies. I noticed programmers use these tricks in they patches to get some predictable or in-range randomization. I'm not quit sure about formulation of question, because I was using commercial sound sequencing software, VST's and etc. The opportunities of pd strongly impressed me so I fought to use it in research I'm writing. It's simple to use values of env~ and apply to control limiters, delays and etc. What I expect to figure out is technological aspects and theoretical approach. That's besides programming a patch, but I couldn't hold my self to try. I saw people discussing various topics (off programming) on list and did it my way. Nobody understood me on pd~forum as well, so now I'm sure a revision and clarification is necessary for the direction of my work Thank you very much. G 2009/11/9 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com: Hi, the idea sounds simple to do. What kind of feedback from the list are you asking exactly? I guess that besides programming the patch, on a real world situation you must be careful with the feedback of the speakers, so that the feedback doesn't end up triggering the feedback itself. Maybe a clamp microphone attached to the instrument (which kind of saxophone?) would be the better choice. Although if the hall is big enough, a normal mic should also work. João Pais Hello, I'm making a diploma work and need help from community like this to assure that my work is related to science or is a part of it, even if it (what I did) just a small improvement on the other hand. There is no information about it in my native language, so sometimes I get confused about what I'm looking for, because many things are interesting to me and the field is getting wider and more confusing. I have tried many delay effect patches and found one made by Maelstorm on pd-forum. I upgraded it to stereo, mounted into structure I needed and something I call an improvement. This delay processor does something what I think might be considered as humanized behavior. It takes audio of the musician (Saxophone) and creates an echo effect (tap function included), but output of the echo signal is controlled by the previous amount of volume (vu) of the input. You can set a feedback at the maximum amount, but if there is no input signal at that time from the instrument, than echo goes down (gradually or fast) as well. It sounds pleasant because there is another parameter that appeared during the construction process, an interpolation time or sensitivity how fast it follow the input ([line]) . So the amount of echo volume can't exceed the the amount of dry signal, what I take as an aesthetic value in a live performance (tested). Any pd user know how simple it is to make it using this software, but I couldn't find anybody did or mentioned about delay controlled by the signal witch has a human or instrument property (amplitude applied as control). I work with DAW's like Cubase and know that there is no delay like that. I want to ask if the community has an opinion about my idea, taking all possible aspects that comes to his mind. I think there is no better place as this to give such questions and use it's answers as vector to continue research. In the community I am now there are no students or lecturers that use pd and any other interesting things that it offer. So at least truth has to come out of my research. Thank you. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] reseting overflow count on cyclone counter object?
hi is it possible to reset the overflow count (and not only the general count) on the cyclone library counter object? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Research delay
Hi Gintaras, if working with the basics of digital audio is something new for you, I would strongly suggest checking out one of the following books on the subject, to understand exactly how computers deal with sound: http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Music-Tutorial-Curtis-Roads/dp/0262680823/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1258026852sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Music-Synthesis-Composition-Performance/dp/0028646827/ref=pd_sim_b_5 The first is a bit more mathematically oriented, and the second a bit easier as a starting point (however a bit more out of date!). These should give you some basic vocabulary to help you formulate questions which other Pd users might be able to answer ;-) best, Derek Gintaras Lau. wrote: Hello João Pais, exactly I'm looking for help to get on a track to understand the situation for such approach in the world of sound technologies. I noticed programmers use these tricks in they patches to get some predictable or in-range randomization. I'm not quit sure about formulation of question, because I was using commercial sound sequencing software, VST's and etc. The opportunities of pd strongly impressed me so I fought to use it in research I'm writing. It's simple to use values of env~ and apply to control limiters, delays and etc. What I expect to figure out is technological aspects and theoretical approach. That's besides programming a patch, but I couldn't hold my self to try. I saw people discussing various topics (off programming) on list and did it my way. Nobody understood me on pd~forum as well, so now I'm sure a revision and clarification is necessary for the direction of my work Thank you very much. G 2009/11/9 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com: Hi, the idea sounds simple to do. What kind of feedback from the list are you asking exactly? I guess that besides programming the patch, on a real world situation you must be careful with the feedback of the speakers, so that the feedback doesn't end up triggering the feedback itself. Maybe a clamp microphone attached to the instrument (which kind of saxophone?) would be the better choice. Although if the hall is big enough, a normal mic should also work. João Pais Hello, I'm making a diploma work and need help from community like this to assure that my work is related to science or is a part of it, even if it (what I did) just a small improvement on the other hand. There is no information about it in my native language, so sometimes I get confused about what I'm looking for, because many things are interesting to me and the field is getting wider and more confusing. I have tried many delay effect patches and found one made by Maelstorm on pd-forum. I upgraded it to stereo, mounted into structure I needed and something I call an improvement. This delay processor does something what I think might be considered as humanized behavior. It takes audio of the musician (Saxophone) and creates an echo effect (tap function included), but output of the echo signal is controlled by the previous amount of volume (vu) of the input. You can set a feedback at the maximum amount, but if there is no input signal at that time from the instrument, than echo goes down (gradually or fast) as well. It sounds pleasant because there is another parameter that appeared during the construction process, an interpolation time or sensitivity how fast it follow the input ([line]) . So the amount of echo volume can't exceed the the amount of dry signal, what I take as an aesthetic value in a live performance (tested). Any pd user know how simple it is to make it using this software, but I couldn't find anybody did or mentioned about delay controlled by the signal witch has a human or instrument property (amplitude applied as control). I work with DAW's like Cubase and know that there is no delay like that. I want to ask if the community has an opinion about my idea, taking all possible aspects that comes to his mind. I think there is no better place as this to give such questions and use it's answers as vector to continue research. In the community I am now there are no students or lecturers that use pd and any other interesting things that it offer. So at least truth has to come out of my research. Thank you. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 138: Retrace your steps ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
2009/11/12 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com Hey, sure, I meant the Pd-Extended version... :) http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ the latest is always here. abraço glerm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] fullscreen strange behavior
Dear friends, in the old version of pd i can crete a fullscreen gem, or i can modify the dimensions of the screen, in os x and ubuntu, i send fullscreen $1 message to gemwin, but the screen dont work always, what is the better way to connect the fullscreen message? I read about a bug... really? Best regards from CHile JOsé -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] ftm4pd
Hallo Johannes, wie ist denn der Entwicklungsstand von ftm4pd? Gibt es da inzwischen etwas in alpha oder beta-Zustand?# Wie ist der Entwicklungszeitplan? Vielen Danknund Gruß, Michael Iber ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fullscreen strange behavior
i did never used the fullsreen message, but only dimen X Y, offset X2 0, border 0, cursor 0. it always work perfectly. Cyrille Jose Luis Santorcuato a écrit : Dear friends, in the old version of pd i can crete a fullscreen gem, or i can modify the dimensions of the screen, in os x and ubuntu, i send fullscreen $1 message to gemwin, but the screen dont work always, what is the better way to connect the fullscreen message? I read about a bug... really? Best regards from CHile JOsé -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
If you're interested, there was a huge thread about this in February, starting about here: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-02/067889.html It continues, too -- it will look like the thread dies out, but if you look later in that month there will be many more posts with the same subject. Matt yep, sure, it works, but, anyway, I just think it would be easier for some operations if we could use $0 in messages, that's all... Thanks Cheers Alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)
FWIW, I recently listened to a really entertaining presentation of a computer systems security expert and one thing he pointed out that IMHO is currently really bogging Pd development is legacy support. If PD is currently undergoing a complete rewrite of the GUI this may be a good opportunity to also revisit external naming scheme. I understand that there has been a lot of work done by Hans and others to make pd-extended easier to use, yet many problems remain. What if we simply all agree to do fundamental changes to how externals work with the understanding that we are effectively breaking backwards compatibility (which is not that big of a deal, simply use your favorite editor and search/replace offending objects and you are done) and make the whole thing a lot simpler? For instance, each external object could be simply retitled to cyclone_pow~ or iemlib_pow~ or whatever. We've been effectively doing this with DISIS objects and have had no problems whatsoever with trivial issues such as what folder they need to go into and where is their help file supposed to go (e.g. pd-extended still fails to load proper help files and has a myriad of other problems). Of course, this is not as easy as it sounds: What objects are considered a part of the vanilla pd-extended? I would simply say iem, gem, and pd are vanilla are it and everything else is renamed. What about the trouble of remembering what object does what? Well, if 0.43 will have a nice right-click menu with all objects listed in there and if we do good cross-referencing documentation, this should not be as difficult and/or confusing (certainly no more than typing cyclone/pow~ or whatever). etc. Basically, I think this would in the long run be a lot easier as we would simply end-up having only one folder for all help files and only one folder for all externals. No sub-folders, no complex paths, lost/mixed-up help files, no unusual workarounds within Pd. Just my 1-cents worth... Ico ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fullscreen strange behavior
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: i did never used the fullsreen message, but only dimen X Y, offset X2 0, border 0, cursor 0. it always work perfectly. The fullscreen message attempts to find those values for you and make the window. It is the exact same code for creating the window, and inputting the info manually is the better method. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound
hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Mediasettings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI. No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fullscreen strange behavior
Thank a lot so... dimen?...that is the solution?... Best regards from Chile José 2009/11/12 chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: i did never used the fullsreen message, but only dimen X Y, offset X2 0, border 0, cursor 0. it always work perfectly. The fullscreen message attempts to find those values for you and make the window. It is the exact same code for creating the window, and inputting the info manually is the better method. -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)
I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries loaded by default. The pow~ issue highlights that. You can also already use naming schemes like cyclone/prepend, iemlib/ prepend, etc. .hc On Nov 12, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: FWIW, I recently listened to a really entertaining presentation of a computer systems security expert and one thing he pointed out that IMHO is currently really bogging Pd development is legacy support. If PD is currently undergoing a complete rewrite of the GUI this may be a good opportunity to also revisit external naming scheme. I understand that there has been a lot of work done by Hans and others to make pd- extended easier to use, yet many problems remain. What if we simply all agree to do fundamental changes to how externals work with the understanding that we are effectively breaking backwards compatibility (which is not that big of a deal, simply use your favorite editor and search/replace offending objects and you are done) and make the whole thing a lot simpler? For instance, each external object could be simply retitled to cyclone_pow~ or iemlib_pow~ or whatever. We've been effectively doing this with DISIS objects and have had no problems whatsoever with trivial issues such as what folder they need to go into and where is their help file supposed to go (e.g. pd-extended still fails to load proper help files and has a myriad of other problems). Of course, this is not as easy as it sounds: What objects are considered a part of the vanilla pd-extended? I would simply say iem, gem, and pd are vanilla are it and everything else is renamed. What about the trouble of remembering what object does what? Well, if 0.43 will have a nice right-click menu with all objects listed in there and if we do good cross-referencing documentation, this should not be as difficult and/or confusing (certainly no more than typing cyclone/pow~ or whatever). etc. Basically, I think this would in the long run be a lot easier as we would simply end-up having only one folder for all help files and only one folder for all externals. No sub-folders, no complex paths, lost/ mixed-up help files, no unusual workarounds within Pd. Just my 1-cents worth... Ico ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink- collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling externals on snow leopard
portaudio provides CoreAudio support already. It is AudioUnit support that is in the works, which I suppose is part of CoreAudio. What are the errors with portaudio in pd-gui-rewrite? It would be good to get those fixed there, since you said that portaudio on its own can build fine for 64-bit (or am I mistaken?) .hc On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Rich E wrote: Got it compiled and it looks nice. The portaudio failed, same as Pd- Vanilla, but I guess you aren't worried about that because you are working on getting coreaudio support (which would be nice). Jack works, everything is sounds nice and stable. The only thing I noticed is that expr cannot be found. I have only tried a few of the example patches so far. cheers, Rich On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Rich E reakina...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, my fault. I had some residual CFLAGS from trying to get Gem to compile... onward :) On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Rich E reakina...@gmail.com wrote: On running a regular ./configure in the gui rewrite branch, I get the error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: in `/Users/richardeakin/Downloads/src/pd-gui- rewrite-0.43': configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. I attached the config.log, any ideas? Rich On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: The build system in vanilla/extended is pretty ugly, especially for Mac OS X. The build system in the pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 branch has been rewritten from scratch to be a full autotools build system. That should fix the -isysroot and --disable-portaudio problem you mention. Try it out, and we can fix any issues there. svn co https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/ cd 0.43 ./autogen.sh ./configure --enable-jack --disable-portaudio make .hc On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Rich E wrote: Oops, I accidentally just sent my last post to Hans. Please read this and the post below... I have been slowly figuring out the last problem, where gcc can't find my headers in /usr/include. It is because the configure line: if test x$fat == xyes; then MORECFLAGS=-isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk \ -arch i386 -arch ppc -Wno-error First, I don't know why this is necessary, but I'm sure somebody does. I also don't know why OS X 10.6 is being detected as fat anything. I can install the MacOSX10.4u.sdk from the Xcode disk, but then gcc can't find a good stdarg.h, as the one include within that sdk has a #include_next stdarg.h directive. Then, with this -sysroot flag, gcc doesn't search any other directory and none of the 20 other stdarg.h files on my computer are found. I remove this flag and the header files are found elsewhere just fine. I compiled Portaudio from svn as universal binary with 64bit. But, this library doesn't work with Pd's portaudio source files and the new sources don't work with Pd's sources. So, I can't get past building the portaudio objects. I tried just using jack with ./ configure --enable-jack --disable-portaudio, but the build script still tries to build portaudio and fails. This is all with pd vanilla from Miller's website. I'm also trying to build the Pd extended sources, but I suppose I should start a new thread for the problem I hit there.. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Rich E reakina...@gmail.com wrote: Macports made me a universal binary portaudio, thankfully because I could not get it to compile as 64 bit from the source (I posted why on the portaudio mailing list). I'm having other annoying problems with my build system, probably something very stupid that I am not aware of. Neither Pd nor Pd- extended can find header files in /usr/include. This isn't so hard to include as a CFLAGS flag, but then it still can't find stdarg.h, which just makes me think my build system is broken. I'm working through the various errors to getting Pd-extended building on Snow Leopard as 64 bit, but I have to say I'm probably not the best candidate as this is the first mac that I've had in years. Truthfully, I was looking forward to a time when things 'just worked' :) Not there yet. Rich On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: It seems that portaudio should build as 64-bit, perhaps its worth trying to upgrade the portaudio files that are included in Pd- extended. I recently updated the pd-extended/0.42.5 branch to the most recent stable portaudio. http://www.portaudio.com/trac/wiki/TutorialDir/Compile/MacintoshCoreAudio .hc On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I'm working getting an Apple AudioUnit sound API support into pd- core right now. This will support the iPhone, but should also work on Mac OS X. With this, it should be possible to get working audio on
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
hmm, great, thanks, that is what I wondered, if anyone had bothered to bring this up. Anyway, from the thread: you are violating the 3rd rule of $-expansion: there is no $0 in message-boxes. I can deal around with it... but I just wonder if this third rule could be easily revised/changed. I don't see much of a problem, and it would make some stuff easier. So, here is my plead in favor of this case, I support the cause... But if you say that it would be a pain in the ass, or argue that such rule must be mantained for some logic reason, I am cool. I've read something about: it would make $0 be even more complicated to understand But I totally disagree, I have been teaching a lot basic Pd around, and people always get confused and think they can just throw $0 in messages. So I have to state and reinforce that there is an exception that it doesn't work on messages. Without an exception at all, it should be easier to get it, as I understand. And despite all that, as I see, $0 on messages is just not good for anything. So, completely useless... it is just like putting a Zero... Sorry for insisting anyway... Thanks a lot On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com wrote: If you're interested, there was a huge thread about this in February, starting about here: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-02/067889.html It continues, too -- it will look like the thread dies out, but if you look later in that month there will be many more posts with the same subject. Matt yep, sure, it works, but, anyway, I just think it would be easier for some operations if we could use $0 in messages, that's all... Thanks Cheers Alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Safe video feedback in Gem?
cyrille henry wrote: hello, have you look at gem examples? Gem/examples/07.texture/07.feedback.pd Thanks. Now I just have to figure out how it works! -- Dudley Cyrille Dudley Brooks a écrit : I want to feed an output image (modified) back as input to itself, to create fractals. Could someone point me to an example of doing so? So far, googling has only produced articles on *avoiding* feedback, and in audio at that. Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast
2009/11/11 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at I want to copy the contents of one array to another as fast as possible. Basically, I'll load a sound file into an array, and fill a big buffer by concating that soundfile to the big buffer until its full. Any ideas? .hc Just a curiosity: Should [tab_copy] at iem_tab lib work for this? ;;; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] arduino problem with analog sensors
hi not a PD question I guess... i dont know much of electrical stuff. i am connecting two analog sensors to the arduino. One is a pressure sensor and the second a potentiometer, they are both from an old icube. i noticed that when i raise the potentiometer (analog pin 5) the pressure sensor (analog pin 2) reports values ranging 0 to ~0.16 increasing together as the potenciometer goes up. It is like some kind of residual noise comming from pin 5 that goes into pin 0. the power cables of both sensors go together to 5v inlet of the arduino and the ground cables go to ground pin, each of the data cable goes to its separate analog pin. I am using arduino from Pure Data extended using latest Firmata, so i am just filtering out any value smaller than 0.16 coming from analog pin 0. is there anything I am doing wrong? or is this normal? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound
could be pulseaudio is the problem? from the command line try pasuspender pd On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adity...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Mediasettings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI. No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)
I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries loaded by default. The pow~ issue highlights that. You can also already use naming schemes like cyclone/prepend, iemlib/ prepend, etc. .hc That however does not solve problems like help files not being found (at least no here) and/or not knowing which one is being loaded by default (e.g. scale object is by default from Gem lib, so when you load the maxlib version and right-click on its help, you still get Gem lib one). Ico ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors
Try grounding all the unused analog ins(especially a few between the two ins that are cross-talking), ideally shielding the wires would help too. Indeed magnetic fields in those wires do move through space! .b. altern wrote: hi not a PD question I guess... i dont know much of electrical stuff. i am connecting two analog sensors to the arduino. One is a pressure sensor and the second a potentiometer, they are both from an old icube. i noticed that when i raise the potentiometer (analog pin 5) the pressure sensor (analog pin 2) reports values ranging 0 to ~0.16 increasing together as the potenciometer goes up. It is like some kind of residual noise comming from pin 5 that goes into pin 0. the power cables of both sensors go together to 5v inlet of the arduino and the ground cables go to ground pin, each of the data cable goes to its separate analog pin. I am using arduino from Pure Data extended using latest Firmata, so i am just filtering out any value smaller than 0.16 coming from analog pin 0. is there anything I am doing wrong? or is this normal? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu wrote: Gee, I forgot to document this one, sorry. a turned-off switch~ can be used to single-step the DSP in a window by sinding it a bang message. So you can switch~ 2048 in a window, connect a tabplay~ to a tabwrite~ inside it, start them, then send the switch~ N/2048 bangs to copy N samples from one table to another. don't tell anyone that was my idea :) M I used to use a [bang~]-toggle-[switch~] construction to try to have one execution and then switch off. Thanks for the tip! I guess I won't need that one anymore. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors
At a guess, the two transducers are not adequately decoupled with respect to the power supply and I'm guessing the potentiometer is a fairly low resistance and the pressure sensor has a high resistance so that their respective current flow changes are very different. Solutions could be to either 1) Change the power supply to something that can source a higher flow - is it a USB powered thing? 2) Put a big (33,000uF or 68,000uF) capacitors across each sensors supply close to it. On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:02:05 +0100 altern alte...@gmail.com wrote: hi not a PD question I guess... i dont know much of electrical stuff. i am connecting two analog sensors to the arduino. One is a pressure sensor and the second a potentiometer, they are both from an old icube. i noticed that when i raise the potentiometer (analog pin 5) the pressure sensor (analog pin 2) reports values ranging 0 to ~0.16 increasing together as the potenciometer goes up. It is like some kind of residual noise comming from pin 5 that goes into pin 0. the power cables of both sensors go together to 5v inlet of the arduino and the ground cables go to ground pin, each of the data cable goes to its separate analog pin. I am using arduino from Pure Data extended using latest Firmata, so i am just filtering out any value smaller than 0.16 coming from analog pin 0. is there anything I am doing wrong? or is this normal? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound
ok, using ALSA i have sound now, but i still get the following DIO errors within PD: 'tried but could not sync A/D/A' ? On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM, John Harrison johnharrison...@gmail.com wrote: could be pulseaudio is the problem? from the command line try pasuspender pd On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Aditya Mandayam adity...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i have pd installed on ubunty 9.10 - karmic koala. i have absolutely no sound when i fire up pd. i've tried fooling around with the Mediasettings for OSS, ALSA, jack, default MIDI. No sound. What gives? Thank you, Y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries loaded by default. Sounds good to me. If we want to have backwards-compatibility AND to change things in a tabula-rasa way, we could establish a new file type (perhaps just a new filename extension eg.: .pd2) and then .pd files would be parsed with the old logic and .pd2 files with the brand new logic. Dunno if it actually makes sense, it just came to my mind now. -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors
The microcontroller in the Arduino has a single sampling capacitor that can be connected to any one of the analog pins. It will charge up to the voltage on the pin if enough charged particles are available on the pin (or a path less than about 10kohm exists to a source of current). The cap is not discharged by the analog-to-digital conversion process or between samples except through leakage. If no charge is available on the pin the capacitor will continue to slowly drain its charge from the previous sample. It's normal and harmless unless you are in a high-voltage environment like a thunderstorm or a nylon carpet, where much more than 5V could accumulate on an open pin. Then it's best to ground unused inputs. Martin Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:02:05 +0100 From: alte...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors hi not a PD question I guess... i dont know much of electrical stuff. i am connecting two analog sensors to the arduino. One is a pressure sensor and the second a potentiometer, they are both from an old icube. i noticed that when i raise the potentiometer (analog pin 5) the pressure sensor (analog pin 2) reports values ranging 0 to ~0.16 increasing together as the potenciometer goes up. It is like some kind of residual noise comming from pin 5 that goes into pin 0. the power cables of both sensors go together to 5v inlet of the arduino and the ground cables go to ground pin, each of the data cable goes to its separate analog pin. I am using arduino from Pure Data extended using latest Firmata, so i am just filtering out any value smaller than 0.16 coming from analog pin 0. is there anything I am doing wrong? or is this normal? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] jack_transport~ little patch:rewind
I have added a rewind functionality to the jack_transport~ object by
Jacob Lee to ease use with Ardour. I can't seem to find a contact to let
the author know...
It was a very simple cut and past and edit looking at the transport.h
from jack source. Not sure if this is of any interest.
Anyway maybe the author is on this list?
Attached is the diff.
Kind regards,
Lorenzo.
105a106,114
// This adds a simple way to rewind unsing jack_transport_locate
static void jack_transport_rewindwer(jack_transport_tilde_t * x)
{
if (!x-x_jack_client)
return;
jack_transport_locate(x-x_jack_client,0);
}
193c202
gensym(start), 0, 0);
---
gensym(start), 0, 0);
197a207,209
(t_method)jack_transport_rewindwer,
gensym(rewind), 0, 0);
class_addmethod(jack_transport_tilde_class,
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[PD] midi novice
hallo never used midi before and i'm trying to figure out how to control a mab-303 synth from pd. i'm stuck cause the synth manual says the slide function is controled/triggered by sending a controller #64 or controller #65 message to the machine. any of you know what that is, and how to do it from pd? i'm sure this is very obvious but the manual is very cryptic. peace ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] midi novice
Green wrote: hallo never used midi before and i'm trying to figure out how to control a mab-303 synth from pd. i'm stuck cause the synth manual says the slide function is controled/triggered by sending a controller #64 or controller #65 message to the machine. any of you know what that is, and how to do it from pd? i'm sure this is very obvious but the manual is very cryptic. [hslider] | [ctlout 64] it will take numbers between 0 and 127, only integer changes are meaningful ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors
Hi, maybe the potentiometer need a resistor,... if the potentiometer is a 10 kohms maybe yo need a resistor, i prefer work with 50 kohms potentiometers. Using a protoboard, you must connect a general ground and general voltage, the wire to analog is the middle wire, check the pwm or outputs are closed. Best regards José 2009/11/12 martin.pe...@sympatico.ca The microcontroller in the Arduino has a single sampling capacitor that can be connected to any one of the analog pins. It will charge up to the voltage on the pin if enough charged particles are available on the pin (or a path less than about 10kohm exists to a source of current). The cap is not discharged by the analog-to-digital conversion process or between samples except through leakage. If no charge is available on the pin the capacitor will continue to slowly drain its charge from the previous sample. It's normal and harmless unless you are in a high-voltage environment like a thunderstorm or a nylon carpet, where much more than 5V could accumulate on an open pin. Then it's best to ground unused inputs. Martin Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:02:05 +0100 From: alte...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors hi not a PD question I guess... i dont know much of electrical stuff. i am connecting two analog sensors to the arduino. One is a pressure sensor and the second a potentiometer, they are both from an old icube. i noticed that when i raise the potentiometer (analog pin 5) the pressure sensor (analog pin 2) reports values ranging 0 to ~0.16 increasing together as the potenciometer goes up. It is like some kind of residual noise comming from pin 5 that goes into pin 0. the power cables of both sensors go together to 5v inlet of the arduino and the ground cables go to ground pin, each of the data cable goes to its separate analog pin. I am using arduino from Pure Data extended using latest Firmata, so i am just filtering out any value smaller than 0.16 coming from analog pin 0. is there anything I am doing wrong? or is this normal? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] midi novice
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Justin Glenn Smith noisesm...@gmail.comwrote: Green wrote: hallo never used midi before and i'm trying to figure out how to control a mab-303 synth from pd. i'm stuck cause the synth manual says the slide function is controled/triggered by sending a controller #64 or controller #65 message to the machine. any of you know what that is, check this http://www.harmony-central.com/Drums/EDW/Articles/MIDI-Introduction.html Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fullscreen strange behavior
Well thanks again, but the solution is press first to create gem window dimen...hehehe, thanks friends a user problem...hehehehe Best regards José 2009/11/12 Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com Thank a lot so... dimen?...that is the solution?... Best regards from Chile José 2009/11/12 chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: i did never used the fullsreen message, but only dimen X Y, offset X2 0, border 0, cursor 0. it always work perfectly. The fullscreen message attempts to find those values for you and make the window. It is the exact same code for creating the window, and inputting the info manually is the better method. -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato -- http://www.chilemigra.cl http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] midi novice
just take ctlout from pd and use 65 or 64 and the r5ght channel. take a look on the helpfile.ctlout-right click-help. peace der.brandt hallo never used midi before and i'm trying to figure out how to control a mab-303 synth from pd. i'm stuck cause the synth manual says the slide function is controled/triggered by sending a controller #64 or controller #65 message to the machine. any of you know what that is, and how to do it from pd? i'm sure this is very obvious but the manual is very cryptic. peace ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] jack_transport~ little patch:rewind
Hey Lorenzo, I submitted a patch in May [check the archives if you're interested] which lets you the locate functionality of jack_transport from pd, this lets you seek anywhere, |locate 0( seems to do what your rewind does. I didn't have any response from the author about it. Anyways, no reason the two cannot co-exist, just figured I'd let you know in case you want to seek to other locations within your score/song. -Alex On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Lorenzo lsut...@libero.it wrote: I have added a rewind functionality to the jack_transport~ object by Jacob Lee to ease use with Ardour. I can't seem to find a contact to let the author know... It was a very simple cut and past and edit looking at the transport.h from jack source. Not sure if this is of any interest. Anyway maybe the author is on this list? Attached is the diff. Kind regards, Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors
thanks to everyone for the answers! Jose Luis Santorcuato(e)k dio: Hi, maybe the potentiometer need a resistor,... if the potentiometer is a 10 kohms maybe yo need a resistor, i prefer work with 50 kohms potentiometers. Using a protoboard, you must connect a general ground and general voltage, the wire to analog is the middle wire, check the pwm or outputs are closed. Best regards José 2009/11/12 martin.pe...@sympatico.ca The microcontroller in the Arduino has a single sampling capacitor that can be connected to any one of the analog pins. It will charge up to the voltage on the pin if enough charged particles are available on the pin (or a path less than about 10kohm exists to a source of current). The cap is not discharged by the analog-to-digital conversion process or between samples except through leakage. If no charge is available on the pin the capacitor will continue to slowly drain its charge from the previous sample. It's normal and harmless unless you are in a high-voltage environment like a thunderstorm or a nylon carpet, where much more than 5V could accumulate on an open pin. Then it's best to ground unused inputs. Martin Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:02:05 +0100 From: alte...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] arduino problem with analog sensors hi not a PD question I guess... i dont know much of electrical stuff. i am connecting two analog sensors to the arduino. One is a pressure sensor and the second a potentiometer, they are both from an old icube. i noticed that when i raise the potentiometer (analog pin 5) the pressure sensor (analog pin 2) reports values ranging 0 to ~0.16 increasing together as the potenciometer goes up. It is like some kind of residual noise comming from pin 5 that goes into pin 0. the power cables of both sensors go together to 5v inlet of the arduino and the ground cables go to ground pin, each of the data cable goes to its separate analog pin. I am using arduino from Pure Data extended using latest Firmata, so i am just filtering out any value smaller than 0.16 coming from analog pin 0. is there anything I am doing wrong? or is this normal? thanks enrike ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
Hallo, Alexandre Porres hat gesagt: // Alexandre Porres wrote: But I totally disagree, I have been teaching a lot basic Pd around, and people always get confused and think they can just throw $0 in messages. That may be because your students assume, that $1 in a message box is the same as $1 in an object box when in fact it's something different. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast
Hallo, Charles Henry hat gesagt: // Charles Henry wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu wrote: Gee, I forgot to document this one, sorry. a turned-off switch~ can be used to single-step the DSP in a window by sinding it a bang message. So you can switch~ 2048 in a window, connect a tabplay~ to a tabwrite~ inside it, start them, then send the switch~ N/2048 bangs to copy N samples from one table to another. I used to use a [bang~]-toggle-[switch~] construction to try to have one execution and then switch off. Thanks for the tip! I guess I won't need that one anymore. I've been using this a lot recently as well, but I don't think, Miller's undocumented suggestion can replace this in all cases. One advantage of the bang~-switch~ approach is - I believe - that it gets rid of many function calls: You just let the CPU compute a set of, say 64 samples with basically one function call per object. But if you send 64 bangs instead, I think, the object get activated 64 time so you have 64 function calls which should be slower. Is my reasoning correct? Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: I've been using this a lot recently as well, but I don't think, Miller's undocumented suggestion can replace this in all cases. One advantage of the bang~-switch~ approach is - I believe - that it gets rid of many function I meant to write [bang~]-[0(-[switch~] here. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: Alexandre Porres hat gesagt: // Alexandre Porres wrote: But I totally disagree, I have been teaching a lot basic Pd around, and people always get confused and think they can just throw $0 in messages. That may be because your students assume, that $1 in a message box is the same as $1 in an object box when in fact it's something different. That may be because you assume that objectboxes' $0 must have something to do with $1,$2,$3,... when in fact it's something different. $3 stands for ce_argv[2] $2 stands for ce_argv[1] $1 stands for ce_argv[0] $0 stands for ce_dollarzero it's a special case no matter what. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding $0 and dealing with it in messages
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: Alexandre Porres hat gesagt: // Alexandre Porres wrote: But I totally disagree, I have been teaching a lot basic Pd around, and people always get confused and think they can just throw $0 in messages. That may be because your students assume, that $1 in a message box is the same as $1 in an object box when in fact it's something different. That may be because you assume that objectboxes' $0 must have something to do with $1,$2,$3,... when in fact it's something different. $3 stands for ce_argv[2] $2 stands for ce_argv[1] $1 stands for ce_argv[0] $0 stands for ce_dollarzero it's a special case no matter what. Right. Which neatly brings the question back around to why can't $0 be used in message boxes? I've said this before (to no avail): it is well understood that $0 has no meaning in *messages* -- however, this is not a good reason why $0 can't be used in *message boxes.* Since 1024-foo (where 1024 represents the canvas-identifier), *does* have meaning in messages, why must we jump through (admittedly minor, but still quite annoying) hoops just to get that canvas-identifier into a message? It probably belongs in the some things will never change in Pd category; therefore we must resign ourselves to this discussion re-appearing on a regular basis. Phil Stone http://www.pkstonemusic.com/pubmusic.html ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast
Just putting in my 2cents, but I've been using the bonus feature of being able to write an array's contents to a text file with a message and then read it back out to a different array with another message. This is probably ok for my usage, since I have a project where I need to store *lots* of arrays in text files anway, but it's certainly a really easy solution in terms of code. -Stephen On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: I've been using this a lot recently as well, but I don't think, Miller's undocumented suggestion can replace this in all cases. One advantage of the bang~-switch~ approach is - I believe - that it gets rid of many function I meant to write [bang~]-[0(-[switch~] here. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast
I should have also added that I'm only using this functionality for relatively small arrays (500 values), and haven't tried using it for arrays which may be holding longish audio samples. -Stephen On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Lucas s9lu...@gmail.com wrote: Just putting in my 2cents, but I've been using the bonus feature of being able to write an array's contents to a text file with a message and then read it back out to a different array with another message. This is probably ok for my usage, since I have a project where I need to store *lots* of arrays in text files anway, but it's certainly a really easy solution in terms of code. -Stephen On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.orgwrote: Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: I've been using this a lot recently as well, but I don't think, Miller's undocumented suggestion can replace this in all cases. One advantage of the bang~-switch~ approach is - I believe - that it gets rid of many function I meant to write [bang~]-[0(-[switch~] here. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] jack_transport~ little patch:rewind
Hi Alex, I submitted a patch in May [check the archives if you're interested] which lets you the locate functionality of jack_transport from pd, this lets you seek anywhere, |locate 0( seems to do what your rewind does. I didn't have any response from the author about it. That sounds great! I wish I had searched better (or maybe asked here first). I think |locate 0( is better and more general, and yes ability to seek is also very useful. Btw will this get at least into the Extended version for Linux? I'm sure it's really useful form many users. Bests, Lorenzo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
