Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010, David wrote:


I  thought everyone knew the meaning of "red". Didn't Hollywood make a
movie about "reds"?


Who's Holly Wood ? no, never heard of that name.

...

is she related to Ed Wood ?

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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[David]

 transpose" things), the sound gets very distorted.
>>
>> I'm puzzled: Shouldn't the tabread4~ interpolate correctly in this case?
>>  Any
>> help or explanation is appreciated. (Except anything involving crossfades:
>> I
>> know I could do that and I guess I also know how.)
>>
>> Ciao
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> I'm having trouble using xcode to compile an external (not audio,
> pretty simple c code).
> Using Intel machine, OS 10.5, xcode 3.0;
> I followed the directions in :
> http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdExternalsInXcode/
> and it appears to compile cleanly. However, when I try to use the
> external in a patch I get a dlopen error:
>
> no suitable image found.  Did find:
>        ( ... the compiled external ... ): unknown file type, first eight
> bytes: 0x21 0x3C 0x61 0x72 0x63 0x68 0x3E 0x0A
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> Has anyone found this error and/or a solution?
>
> Failing that, could anyone share a robust makefile for building an
> external that runs on both ppc and i386 using gcc?
> I tried that, but got "Undefined symbols" errors for all the pd
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[PD] Vu-Meter - WAS: nusmuk_audio

[colet . patrice]

 

- "Roman Haefeli"  a écrit :

> A VU-meter is very expensive to have in a Pd-window, unfortunately.

>  those things are hardware accelerated
> (which
> would be cool to have in Pd as well, also inside Pd windows).
 
  Vu-meter internal isn't hardware accelerated?


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[PD] xcode compiling issue

[Andrew May]

I'm having trouble using xcode to compile an external (not audio,  
pretty simple c code).

Using Intel machine, OS 10.5, xcode 3.0;
I followed the directions in :
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdExternalsInXcode/
and it appears to compile cleanly. However, when I try to use the  
external in a patch I get a dlopen error:


no suitable image found.  Did find:
	( ... the compiled external ... ): unknown file type, first eight  
bytes: 0x21 0x3C 0x61 0x72 0x63 0x68 0x3E 0x0A


Has anyone found this error and/or a solution?

Failing that, could anyone share a robust makefile for building an  
external that runs on both ppc and i386 using gcc?
I tried that, but got "Undefined symbols" errors for all the pd  
classes (perhaps it's not finding m_pd.h, but I thought I set the path  
carefully enough...)


Many thanks for any help!

Andrew

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Re: [PD] Smooth looping

[ypatios]

As I understand and as Matt already wrote, you wanted a transposition of the
phasor~'s frequency (which would change the frequency of the loop but not
the sample content), but instead you did the classic
up/downsampling-of-the-soundsample transposition.
(The "distortion" you get is due to the difference in spectral content,
which should be richer as you transpose upwards since you read a longer
portion of the sample.
Also, the end of the loop changes which could mean a harder discontinuity.)

I tried to fix the transposition and I also added an offset in the audio
path before tabread4~ that corresponds to the beginning of the loop.

And I'm sure you've already figured everything out, long before you got our
emails.


alabala

On 23 April 2010 20:27, Frank Barknecht  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> not related to the thread on smoother audio in Pd, I am struggling with
> doing a smooth
> loop player for data stored in tables.
>
> One building block for this is attached: It is a simple tabread4~ lookup
> that
> should loop over a configurable section of a table and play it back with
> various frequencies.
> As you'll easily see, I use a
>
>  [phasor~]
>  |
>  [*~ loopsize]
>  |
>  [+~ loopstart]
>  |
>  [tabread4~ table]
>
> idiom here. Now I would like to avoid enveloping the rewind sections, so I
> built an elaborate mechanism to set the loop points as good as possible by
> hand. Test sections let you load a sample or try to find the smooth loop
> points
> inside of a sine-wave table graphically.
>
> Now my problem is, that even when I have found a nice and smooth sounding
> loop
> section, as soon as I start to change the frequency played (with the "pd
> transpose" things), the sound gets very distorted.
>
> I'm puzzled: Shouldn't the tabread4~ interpolate correctly in this case?
>  Any
> help or explanation is appreciated. (Except anything involving crossfades:
> I
> know I could do that and I guess I also know how.)
>
> Ciao
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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Matt Barber wrote:


I thought he was making another joke, like the "access/axis" one.


I saw so many misspellings of rogue vs rouge all over the internet, that I 
have trouble figuring out whether any english-speaker is making a joke or 
not. However, I'm quite certain very many people would miss the joke 
entirely, if there is one...



The "red states" here are the ones that vote republican.


In much of Canadian politics, it's the other way around : red corresponds 
to what would be called "democrats" in the USA. (There even used to be a 
"Parti Rouge" like that, spelled like that), and there are multiple 
"blue"-coloured parties with completely different opinions. Also, "red" 
has been the colour of the USSR flag and of the PRC, so, it has communist 
overtones... but the flag of Canada is quite red too. So, there are plenty 
of ambiguous jokes one can make with the colours. I think that party 
colour jokes are not very "in" at the moment.


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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 114

[Georg Werner]

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:52 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

well, we are in 3 then.


4

+1



I find IEMGUTS so useful

!

I second that.
i'm using it a lot in my kbd_ctrl toolkit and its so use/powerful that i 
dont want to miss it.
Anyway i think there is some bug which crashes pd_ext 0.41 sometimes if 
i close a patch thats containing it (in 0.43_dev its working well until 
now)... i think that the experimental part ;)

g.

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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

[Jonathan Wilkes]

Well, in Pd you can already send an "editmode" message to a canvas to toggle 
editmode, as well as other messages (obj, clear, etc.).  So instead of making a 
new [gui] object to 
handle this "kiosk mode" stuff, is it possible to make a plugin so that you can 
also 
send messages like "fullscreen 1" to the canvas that you want to make 
fullscreen?
 
I've only learned a little bit about tcl so I don't know how much is possible 
to do through 
plugins.

-Jonathan

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:


From: Mathieu Bouchard 
Subject: Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
Cc: pd-list@iem.at, errordevelo...@gmail.com
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:19 PM


On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

> Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas?

Sorry... what is this question ?...

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 114

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

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> could depend on iemguts. Then eventually I found out that [propertybang]
> can't possibly coexist easily with any external that does the same thing
> as it does, so... i'm sort of stuck there, if I'm not supposed to be
> relying on [propertybang].

hmm, i don't fully understand that.

what is the problem?
what do you expect?
something like both [propertybang] and [gfpropertybang] both being
triggered?

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Re: [PD] Smooth looping

[Matt Barber]

> Hi,
>
> not related to the thread on smoother audio in Pd, I am struggling with doing 
> a smooth
> loop player for data stored in tables.
>
> One building block for this is attached: It is a simple tabread4~ lookup that
> should loop over a configurable section of a table and play it back with 
> various frequencies.
> As you'll easily see, I use a
>
>  [phasor~]
>  |
>  [*~ loopsize]
>  |
>  [+~ loopstart]
>  |
>  [tabread4~ table]
>
> idiom here. Now I would like to avoid enveloping the rewind sections, so I
> built an elaborate mechanism to set the loop points as good as possible by
> hand. Test sections let you load a sample or try to find the smooth loop 
> points
> inside of a sine-wave table graphically.
>
> Now my problem is, that even when I have found a nice and smooth sounding loop
> section, as soon as I start to change the frequency played (with the "pd
> transpose" things), the sound gets very distorted.
>
> I'm puzzled: Shouldn't the tabread4~ interpolate correctly in this case?  Any
> help or explanation is appreciated. (Except anything involving crossfades: I
> know I could do that and I guess I also know how.)
>

Shouldn't you be multiplying the output of [pd transpose]-[lop~] with
output of [r $0-loopfr]-[vline~] to change the frequency of the
phasor, as opposed to multiplying the transpose stuff with the output
of the phasor itself?  In the latter case aren't you just expanding
the output of the phasor to a different point in the file that is no
longer necessarily loopable?

Matt

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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Matt Barber]

>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> As an American, I am required to fear what might happen if the rouge
>> states got a hold of Pd.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge_%28cosmetics%29
>
> "rouge" is pronounced with a long "oo" and soft "g"
> "rogue" is pronounced with a long "oh" and hard "g"
>
> (but in french the latter is more like : rug states)
>



I thought he was making another joke, like the "access/axis" one.  The
"red states" here are the ones that vote republican.

MB

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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Mike Moser-Booth]

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

As an American, I am required to fear what might happen if the rouge 
states got a hold of Pd.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge_%28cosmetics%29

"rouge" is pronounced with a long "oo" and soft "g"
"rogue" is pronounced with a long "oh" and hard "g"

(but in french the latter is more like : rug states)

And sentences usually start with a capital letter and end with period, 
question mark, or exclamation point. But, hey, you spelled everything 
right. Pretty sure we all knew what he was talking about.


.mmb

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 125

[David]

"Rouge" means red, doesn't it? He must have been referring to Cuba and
North Korea ;-)


On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:27 PM,   wrote:
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mathieu Bouchard 
> Subject: Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!
> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> Cc: pd-list , IOhannes m zm?lnig 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> As an American, I am required to fear what might happen if the rouge
>> states got a hold of Pd.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge_%28cosmetics%29
>
> "rouge" is pronounced with a long "oo" and soft "g"
> "rogue" is pronounced with a long "oh" and hard "g"
>
> (but in french the latter is more like : rug states)
>
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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 114

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote:

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:52 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

well, we are in 3 then.

4

I find IEMGUTS so useful

I second that.


I also second that, ... I first wrote some externals, then I looked at 
iemguts and found out that I had quite exactly reinvented the wheel... 
then I imitated some more like that because I didn't know whether I could 
depend on iemguts. Then eventually I found out that [propertybang] can't 
possibly coexist easily with any external that does the same thing as it 
does, so... i'm sort of stuck there, if I'm not supposed to be relying on 
[propertybang].


does anyone use [propertybang] yet ?

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Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 19:05 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote:

Thanks for your feedback.

>  There is no vu-meter in tracks, so we don't know where the signals come 
> from, neither at each level it comes.

A VU-meter is very expensive to have in a Pd-window, unfortunately. In
cubase (and similar DAWs) those things are hardware accelerated (which
would be cool to have in Pd as well, also inside Pd windows).
> 
>  There is no peak value detection, we don't know what was the last highest 
> peak value,
>  to find out what sound would overhelm the mixing equilibrium.

It's also rather expensive and not so straight forward to implement with
vanilla objects. Probably this could be done much more efficient with an
external. 

>  Using different colors for the different bus is a very good idea, and make 
> gaining time 
>  for finding the good slider,
>  but some colors gives Mx an ugly apparence that could be avoided with 
> choosing
> harmonious tones, for example a yellow handle over a white background slider, 
> is just
> a pain for the eyes. Also the green color is very agressive. 

Hehe. If you think it's worth to work on that, I'm sure, that the author
(Enrique) wouldn't mind to include your changes. I didn't care too much
about it, but I hear what you're saying (this applies probably to most
netpd stuff it's [still] punk, you know, [and will probably ever
be])

>  Mixing sounds is a kind of computation where the engineer need know 
> accurately
> which level he has to give to some tracks for getting a correct average power,

I partially agree - I prefer to have a visual feedback of what I'm doing
as well - OTOH it's the ears that finally judge the sound.

> for example if we add 3 Decibels we double power...
>  The necessary stuff is just a number box that would tell how much Db is 
> modulated over a slider.
> 
> 
> here is my favorite mixing tool:
> 
> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/images/cubase5_l.jpg

Yeah, definitely a good general purpose mixer.

> _ we can choose DAC~ input and output bus
> _ phase inversion
> _ Gain level
> _ Panning is over the number of output buses we choose
> _ A 'Listen' button has been added with 'Solo', but I didn't use it yet.
> _ we can record/play automation from the board.
> _ we can choose if the signal that goes to the bus is pre or post fader.
> _ same for vu-meter (all)
> _ we can record stuff passing through the mixer, if it's audio it records 
> audio, if it's midi it records midi
> _ we can access directly to the instrument from the mixer track.
> _ there is an internal EQ, very usefull and very well implemented into to 
> mixer track.
> _ we can group tracks into group tracks.
> _ we can save settings of each parts of the mixer.
> 
> there are also all the settings that has effect on all the the tracks, like 
> hiding all different parts of the tracks
> or setting peak detection time, copy-paste track params, an track edit window 
>  (so we can see all settings) ...

I _think_ this all could be done in Pd. Often when people make patches,
they start with the basic stuff and probably stop at some point, when
they don't feel the need any more to add more features. This makes Pd
patches look poor compared to their otherwise available counterparts. I
wouldn't mind having such a good mixer in Pd at all, though. But I also
don't see an urgent need for it. That's only my personal perspective, of
course.

>  This mixer is a cool project, and I'd love to use it in mine, but I'd need 
> to make a stand alone patch.
> is there such one?

No, not yet. But by removing all the netpd specific stuff and the
dynamic creation stuff, you could make one based on mx.

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[PD] [PD-announce] RjDj svn temporary downtime

[Frank Barknecht]

Hi,

the subversion repository of RjDj is undergoing a temporary downtime for
technical reasons. It's not yet clear when it will be available again,
but for those of you who want to use the rj library in the meantime,
I've put the latest version here: http://osc.rjdj.me/~fbar/rj-100423.tgz
This only includes the "rj" folder of abstractions.

If you want more, a slightly outdated version of rj also is part of the 
RjDj Composer pack together with many other niceties:
http://trac.rjdj.me/wiki/ComposersPack

Sorry for any inconveiences.

Ciao
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[PD] Smooth looping

[Frank Barknecht]

Hi,

not related to the thread on smoother audio in Pd, I am struggling with doing a 
smooth
loop player for data stored in tables. 

One building block for this is attached: It is a simple tabread4~ lookup that
should loop over a configurable section of a table and play it back with 
various frequencies.
As you'll easily see, I use a 

  [phasor~]
  |
  [*~ loopsize]
  |
  [+~ loopstart]
  |
  [tabread4~ table] 

idiom here. Now I would like to avoid enveloping the rewind sections, so I
built an elaborate mechanism to set the loop points as good as possible by
hand. Test sections let you load a sample or try to find the smooth loop points
inside of a sine-wave table graphically.

Now my problem is, that even when I have found a nice and smooth sounding loop
section, as soon as I start to change the frequency played (with the "pd
transpose" things), the sound gets very distorted. 

I'm puzzled: Shouldn't the tabread4~ interpolate correctly in this case?  Any
help or explanation is appreciated. (Except anything involving crossfades: I
know I could do that and I guess I also know how.)

Ciao
-- 
 Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me?  _ __footils.org__


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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas?


Sorry... what is this question ?...

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Re: [PD] bug in maxlib/scale

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote:

I don't know "the" formula, but I did it by putting two "Dreisätze" 
(rules of three?) in a row: The first scales the input to 0-1, the 
second scales 0-1 to the output range. If written out as a formula, this 
could probably even made shorter, I don't know. Check the attached 
scale_abs.pd


That's quite exactly how I shown my students how to change the range of 
values, except we didn't have to do the stuff on the right because we were 
not trying to make an abstraction with it.


I mean, the [-] [/] [*] [+] sequence is exactly the same.

It's possible to make the left inlet run faster by condensing the formula 
to just a [*] and a [+], but then the right inlets become more complicated 
and slower. It's a possible tradeoff if you have to make the left inlet 
real fast, but I haven't taught that, and I didn't try to make an 
abstraction with it.


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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

As an American, I am required to fear what might happen if the rouge 
states got a hold of Pd.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge_%28cosmetics%29

"rouge" is pronounced with a long "oo" and soft "g"
"rogue" is pronounced with a long "oh" and hard "g"

(but in french the latter is more like : rug states)

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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:


Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

Be very grateful that the block-list had not confused Syria and Styria.

right.
just imagine: being part of the access of evil, i would even have been
so restricted as to not being able to lift the restrictions.


I wouldn't have been allowed to help you either. I am also part of the 
Axis :


  http://artengine.ca/matju/pics/axe_of_evil.png

(the joke doesn't really work because Syria isn't there...)

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Re: [PD] bug in maxlib/scale

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
João Pais hat gesagt: // João Pais wrote:

> is the formula somewhere? I found a parcial one by frank, but didn't  
> really work. and now I'm too busy to be chasing this.

It's called [m_scale] in the rj library and is pure Pd vanilla there. The plain
linear interpolation is simple, the pow and dB formulas are a bit trickier (I
took the dB one from a patch by Georg Holzmann), but basically what you do is
map the input to replace left and right limit with with 0 and 1, then do the
mapping either linear, pow or dB, then scale up again to the original limits. 

The formula also is in the maxlib/scale source code in a more readable format.

Ciao
-- 
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Re: [PD] margins

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Alexandre Porres hat gesagt: // Alexandre Porres wrote:

> I didnt want it to do anything really, just wanted to know what it did...
> what about those unit pixels thing? when the canvas is not gopped?

They are mostly useful with data structures. You can use them to zoom in and
out while keeping the data stored constant and you can invert for example the
y-axis, which is useful when you display things like frequency: bigger values
are then displayed above smaller values, which looks more natural that the
default of bigger y-values going down.

Ciao
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Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

[colet . patrice]

hello Roman

 I've tried Mx everytime I used netpd, so could tell what doesn't meet my 
criteria...

 there are already plenty of stuff for fx, that's nice, I've even stolen some 
stuff inside,
like the dynamic routing, some times ago.

 In fact it's a pain in the **s do a good job in such a mixer because of 
aesthetics,
anecdotic criterium in this conversation.

 There is no vu-meter in tracks, so we don't know where the signals come from, 
neither at each level it comes.

 There is no peak value detection, we don't know what was the last highest peak 
value,
 to find out what sound would overhelm the mixing equilibrium.

 Using different colors for the different bus is a very good idea, and make 
gaining time 
 for finding the good slider,
 but some colors gives Mx an ugly apparence that could be avoided with choosing
harmonious tones, for example a yellow handle over a white background slider, 
is just
a pain for the eyes. Also the green color is very agressive. 

 Mixing sounds is a kind of computation where the engineer need know accurately
which level he has to give to some tracks for getting a correct average power,
for example if we add 3 Decibels we double power...
 The necessary stuff is just a number box that would tell how much Db is 
modulated over a slider.


here is my favorite mixing tool:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/images/cubase5_l.jpg

_ we can choose DAC~ input and output bus
_ phase inversion
_ Gain level
_ Panning is over the number of output buses we choose
_ A 'Listen' button has been added with 'Solo', but I didn't use it yet.
_ we can record/play automation from the board.
_ we can choose if the signal that goes to the bus is pre or post fader.
_ same for vu-meter (all)
_ we can record stuff passing through the mixer, if it's audio it records 
audio, if it's midi it records midi
_ we can access directly to the instrument from the mixer track.
_ there is an internal EQ, very usefull and very well implemented into to mixer 
track.
_ we can group tracks into group tracks.
_ we can save settings of each parts of the mixer.

there are also all the settings that has effect on all the the tracks, like 
hiding all different parts of the tracks
or setting peak detection time, copy-paste track params, an track edit window  
(so we can see all settings) ...



 For going further in the discussion, I'd need to try Mx EQ's and dynamic 
processing fx.

 This mixer is a cool project, and I'd love to use it in mine, but I'd need to 
make a stand alone patch.
is there such one?
 

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Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

Hi Patko

On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 18:27 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote:
>  I just wanted to check if someone has invented this wheel in pd...
> apparently not...


 
Have you checked mx from netpd? 
http://www.netpd.org/Mx

I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are:

- slot for insert-fx per channel/master channel
- unlimited number of slots for aux-fx
- aux-fx can be chained
- you can write your own fx

By using some additional fx plugin suites, you can have:

- meta-fx, that pack 3 slots into one (this way you can have as many
inserts in a chain as you want)
- dynamic processing fx
- EQs
- time-based fx, such chorus, flanger, phaser
- some funky freaky stuff, such as spectral-delay, fft-based
pitchshifter and more.





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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Since this would involve the GUI side only really, it should be  
implemented as a plugin.  One thing I'm planning on adding is a 'pd- 
gui' receive, like the 'pd' receive, so you can send messages to the  
GUI from pd.  That is currently the only missing piece for  
implementing this.


Like was said before, it won't be hard to implement in Tcl, post any  
questions here and we can help get it working.


.hc

On Apr 23, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas?   
That's already the
way one changes settings of a canvas (editmode, clear,  
donecanvasdialog, etc.)


Also, that way you
could have a patch my-kiosk-thingy.pd, and when you open it you  
could have all kinds of
initialization settings, and a subpatch [pd gui]. When you get all  
the init values set you
can send [fullscreen 1( -- [s pd-gui] .  Then you don't need to make  
a new object [gui].


-Jonathan

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From: errordevelo...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:51 PM


i think it's probably better to do this via a msg

so basically there would be commands like:
gui-hide-menu
gui-hide-scrollbar
gui-hide- ...
gui-canvas-fullscreen
gui-hide-decortion

so basically you can put this into a subpatch and loadbang whichever  
one

you need ;)

may it's better to implement this via gui object which you would send
msgs to ..

[hide-canvas(
|
|
[gui]

or we do this kind of stylie: [; pd-gui command(

?

i'm not sure which way is more practical ..

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:57:51PM +0200, András Murányi wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais  
 wrote:

>
> > Hi,
> >
> > just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode,  
feasible for
> > demos or "finished" applications where the user only gets  
presented with the

> > finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode (
> > http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus  
are hidden,

> > and the user should only interact with the program.
> >
> > It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key  
shortcuts),
> > but if it's not complicated, a "presentation mode" could be nice  
for patch

> > showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ...
> > As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough:
> >
> > - hide menus
> > - hide window lane
> > - hide borders
> > - fullscreen mode
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > João
> >
>
> Sounds good!
> Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is.
> Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a  
plugin (?),

> actually a very simple one.
> Shall be bind to F11!
>
> Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to  
scroll the

> canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...?
>
> Andras

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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

[Jonathan Wilkes]

Is it possible to make these messages that can be sent to a canvas?  That's 
already the 
way one changes settings of a canvas (editmode, clear, donecanvasdialog, etc.)

Also, that way you 
could have a patch my-kiosk-thingy.pd, and when you open it you could have all 
kinds of 
initialization settings, and a subpatch [pd gui]. When you get all the init 
values set you 
can send [fullscreen 1( -- [s pd-gui] .  Then you don't need to make a new 
object [gui].

-Jonathan

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From: errordevelo...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:51 PM


i think it's probably better to do this via a msg

so basically there would be commands like:
gui-hide-menu
gui-hide-scrollbar
gui-hide- ...
gui-canvas-fullscreen
gui-hide-decortion

so basically you can put this into a subpatch and loadbang whichever one
you need ;)

may it's better to implement this via gui object which you would send
msgs to ..

[hide-canvas(
|
|
[gui]

or we do this kind of stylie: [; pd-gui command(

?

i'm not sure which way is more practical ..

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:57:51PM +0200, András Murányi wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, João Pais  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > just had a thought for a gui development: a runtime mode, feasible for
> > demos or "finished" applications where the user only gets presented with the
> > finished program, and no menus. In opera it's called kiosk mode (
> > http://www.opera.com/support/mastering/kiosk/): all the menus are hidden,
> > and the user should only interact with the program.
> >
> > It doesn't have to go as far as opera's mode (and disable key shortcuts),
> > but if it's not complicated, a "presentation mode" could be nice for patch
> > showcase, finished performance patches or tools, ...
> > As far as I imagine, some simple options might be enough:
> >
> > - hide menus
> > - hide window lane
> > - hide borders
> > - fullscreen mode
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > João
> >
> 
> Sounds good!
> Seems this is not supported in Tcl/Tk 8.3 but from 8.4 up it is.
> Which, according to current 'policy', predestines it to be a plugin (?),
> actually a very simple one.
> Shall be bind to F11!
> 
> Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the
> canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...?
> 
> Andras

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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:27 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:


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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:


in order to allow all our friends from so called "rogue states" to
enjoy the full power and glory of Pd (-extended and so on), i have
dropped the export restrictions automatically imposed by  
SourceForge.


Be very grateful that the block-list had not confused Syria and  
Styria.


right.
just imagine: being part of the access of evil, i would even have been
so restricted as to not being able to lift the restrictions.



As an American, I am required to fear what might happen if the rouge  
states got a hold of Pd.


.hc



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Re: [PD] margins

[Alexandre Porres]

hey, I dindt use d-structures, but tried the other things and nothing really
seemed to happen...
cheers
a


2010/4/23 João Pais 

> I didnt want it to do anything really, just wanted to know what it did...
>> what about those unit pixels thing? when the canvas is not gopped?
>> cheers
>>
>
> it basically sets the resolution of the gop. you notice it if you use data
> structures.
>
> or even: create an array, and open the graphical subpatch. draw a wave, and
> try around different values. (also for any other fields)
>
>
> with donecanvasdialog, I use these to change the zoom of my data-s patches,
> etc.
>
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>> in order to allow all our friends from so called "rogue states" to
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>> dropped the export restrictions automatically imposed by SourceForge.
> 
> Be very grateful that the block-list had not confused Syria and Styria.

right.
just imagine: being part of the access of evil, i would even have been
so restricted as to not being able to lift the restrictions.

fmadsdr
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Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

[errordeveloper]

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:53:46PM +0200, Jordi Sala wrote:
> All it's ok!
> The problem with the .h file was that make creates a link to the
> original .h file, but the path is absolute, so it targets to your home
> in your computer.
i knew this one :)
bloody typical!

> 
> Now I have installed some missed libraries in my qtcreator, and it
> connects to the pd perfect. I'm going to do some test,...
> 
that's excellent! :))
very happy to hear this :)

you see the thing with qt is that it's extreamly portable!

i bet we can run this on N900 and symbian nokias as well
and any other os/arch where qt had been ported to!

i still didn't figure qt-embedded ..then we can use DirectFB (i.e.
fullscreen GUI without Xserver!! and with driver that uses the graphics
adapter with some accelleration capabilities too)

i got qt-embedded installed but still didn't manage to run the demo apps ;(

also getting OpenGL widgets could be really nice ..

because i found the QT sliders and all that stuff quite limiting in
terms how BORING the GUI could look like if you have a whole lot of
these things ..(

and at some point it doesn't even fit on the screen 17" screen ..very sad :(((

> 
> 
> On 23 April 2010 15:27,   wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:43:19PM +0200, Andre Osku Schmidt wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in
> >> > nice a streight forward way.
> >> > but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :)
> >>
> >> you mean these ?
> >> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos
> >>
> >> yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure
> >> out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;)
> >>
> > yeah ..me neither ..i need to learn the qt svg stuff ..))
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Re: [PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

in order to allow all our friends from so called "rogue states" to enjoy 
the full power and glory of Pd (-extended and so on), i have dropped the 
export restrictions automatically imposed by SourceForge.


Be very grateful that the block-list had not confused Syria and Styria.

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Re: [PD] several distributions populate array

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, João Pais wrote:

do these objects have a counterpart in Pd? I wanted to avoid using still 
another version of the program.


what other version of pd would you need ??

If you use pd-extended, then it's just a matter of downloading an extra 
package of externals from http://gridflow.ca/ ... it could take 2 minutes.


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Re: [PD] bug in maxlib/scale

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 13:36 +0300, João Pais wrote:
> is the formula somewhere? I found a parcial one by frank, but didn't  
> really work. and now I'm too busy to be chasing this.

I don't know "the" formula, but I did it by putting two
"Dreisätze" (rules of three?) in a row: 
The first scales the input to 0-1, the second scales 0-1 to the output
range. If written out as a formula, this could probably even made
shorter, I don't know.

Check the attached scale_abs.pd
(It lacks the log/lin switch feature, though).

Roman

P.S.: [maxlib/scale] seems to apply correct formulas, but the
initialization seems to be buggy. After manually setting the ranges, it
outputs correct values.


> > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 13:12 +0300, João Pais wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I think I found a bug in maxlib/scale. Unless the order of the  
> >> parameters
> >> is aligned - smaller value as smaller input/output and bigger value for
> >> input/output -, the external doesn't work properly. Is this normal or
> >> desired? I always thought that the parameter order would be
> >> interchangeable without problems.
> >>
> >> Here's a patch to illustrate it:
> >
> > Indeed, very wrong.
> >
> > Unfortunately, from what I know maxlib is not maintained anymore by its
> > original author (probably it can be considered 'community-maintained').
> > And since this can be nicely written as an abstraction, I'd say  that
> > the buggy external version should be avoided.
> >
> > Roman
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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#X connect 22

Re: [PD] puredata_gui_design

[errordeveloper]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:43:19PM +0200, Andre Osku Schmidt wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 11:29 +0100, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > well ..SVG could be nice, but i haven't yet figure how to do it in QT in
> > nice a streight forward way.
> > but there some really nice svg widget example on the Nokia's website :)
> 
> you mean these ?
> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos
> 
> yes, that would be nice. but the last time i looked i couldn't figure
> out neither how to do own svg widgets. but im no coder anyway ;)
> 
yeah ..me neither ..i need to learn the qt svg stuff ..))
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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

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Oh, i've been looking for this kid of thing for a while!

the only problem is that i still haven't got GEM installed ..((
i should sort it out :%)
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:12:04PM +0200, Lorenzo wrote:
> Ok I thought I'd share this anyway and I think it fits well here.
> What I've lately been experimenting with is using GEM for 'gui'... and of 
> course gem can go full screen... Some of the ideas so fare here:
> http://lorenzosu.altervista.org/pd/gem%20gui/
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[PD] sourceforge access of the evil!

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

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the full power and glory of Pd (-extended and so on), i have dropped the
export restrictions automatically imposed by SourceForge.

happy patching

fgmasdr
IOhannes

PS: this restriction was introduced by SF just recently; since (afaik)
Pd(X,...) doesn't use any technology that falls under rogue laws, there
is no reason whatsoever to restrict
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Re: [PD] bug in maxlib/scale

[João Pais]

is the formula somewhere? I found a parcial one by frank, but didn't  
really work. and now I'm too busy to be chasing this.



On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 13:12 +0300, João Pais wrote:

Hi,

I think I found a bug in maxlib/scale. Unless the order of the  
parameters

is aligned - smaller value as smaller input/output and bigger value for
input/output -, the external doesn't work properly. Is this normal or
desired? I always thought that the parameter order would be
interchangeable without problems.

Here's a patch to illustrate it:


Indeed, very wrong.

Unfortunately, from what I know maxlib is not maintained anymore by its
original author (probably it can be considered 'community-maintained').
And since this can be nicely written as an abstraction, I'd say  that
the buggy external version should be avoided.

Roman






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Re: [PD] bug in maxlib/scale

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 13:12 +0300, João Pais wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I think I found a bug in maxlib/scale. Unless the order of the parameters  
> is aligned - smaller value as smaller input/output and bigger value for  
> input/output -, the external doesn't work properly. Is this normal or  
> desired? I always thought that the parameter order would be  
> interchangeable without problems.
> 
> Here's a patch to illustrate it:

Indeed, very wrong. 

Unfortunately, from what I know maxlib is not maintained anymore by its
original author (probably it can be considered 'community-maintained').
And since this can be nicely written as an abstraction, I'd say  that
the buggy external version should be avoided.

Roman




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[PD] bug in maxlib/scale

[João Pais]

Hi,

I think I found a bug in maxlib/scale. Unless the order of the parameters  
is aligned - smaller value as smaller input/output and bigger value for  
input/output -, the external doesn't work properly. Is this normal or  
desired? I always thought that the parameter order would be  
interchangeable without problems.


Here's a patch to illustrate it:

João Pais

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bug maxlib.pd
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[PD] Golden Shield Music

[Marco Donnarumma]

Hi folks,
(sorry for cross-posting)
I'd like to share with you my latest (Pure Data-based) work.
Golden Shield Music is a multi-channel generative sound installation for
censored Internet Protocol (IP) addresses.
Detailed informations (including an audio excerpt) can be viewed at
http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/golden-shield-music/.
Following a proposal by Greg J. Smith, chief editor at Vague Terrain, I
wrote a project brief for the journal:
http://vagueterrain.net/content/2010/04/golden-shield-music
Would love to hear feedbacks from the community.

I'll be at Pikslaverk in May to exhibit the piece and present a talk about
the project. I know someone of the list will be there too, looking forward
to meet you.

M



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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 114

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:52 +0100, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> well, we are in 3 then.

4

> I find IEMGUTS so useful

I second that.

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[PD] Relative path behaviour strange in GOP abstractions

[saint]

I'm on pd vanilla windows version 0.42-5.

I've a patch that relies heavily on file IO abstractions (sitting happily in 
the 'extra' folder), which are invoked by the main patch which until recently 
has been located in a different folder. These abstractions start looking for 
certain files and folders via 'makefilename' into the 'textfile' object like...

|read ../../$1/$2.txt(

I tried to make an abstraction (also located in 'extra') that was GOP. It used 
3 instances of the file IO abstraction, where one instance was visible on 
parent and the 2 others hidden.

What I found was that the hidden abstractions began their relative path in the 
'extra' folder as they should...

|read ../../$1/$2.txt( ... ...worked for the hidden only.

...but the VISIBLE abstractions began their relative path search in the 
PARENT'S patch folder. Such that...

|read ../$1/$2.txt( ... ...worked for the visible only.


Can anybody replicate this bug/suggest a workaround?


(The paths must be relative, as I need to port this around)

Thanks in advance as always,
John.



  

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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

[Lorenzo]

i think it's probably better to do this via a msg

so basically there would be commands like:
gui-hide-menu
gui-hide-scrollbar
gui-hide- ...
gui-canvas-fullscreen
gui-hide-decortion


I would second that. just embedded in normal pd programming.




Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll 
the

canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...?

Ok I thought I'd share this anyway and I think it fits well here.
What I've lately been experimenting with is using GEM for 'gui'... and 
of course gem can go full screen... Some of the ideas so fare here:

http://lorenzosu.altervista.org/pd/gem%20gui/

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 116

[Marco Donnarumma]

I had such a problem (ubuntu 9.04) the simplest solution in my case was to
disable Pulseaudio and use ALSA only.
With this tutorial is quite straight forward:

http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/ubuntu-904-jaunty-keeping-the-beast-pulseaudio-at-bay/




> Dear list: hello to everybodyi have a problem, in the university i
> request about a second partition with ubuntu 9.04 for working with pd, they
> use a mac intel intel core 2 duo, desktop line, i installed pd and work,
> but
> the sound no...in all the system.
>
> Any idea or command in terminal? dependences? pulse audio
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Jos?
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Re: [PD] ubuntu on mac no audio pd

[olsen]

ej josé

check if your speakers are not muted by default -> open alsamixer & check if there's an MM on your Speaker or Master 
slider & unmute them by pressing the 'm' key.


salutis
ø

Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Thank to all mac intel dont have sound, i dont even try... i comment 
the results, thanks a lot to this great community...


Best regards

José

2010/4/22 Pagano, Patrick >


I have ubunutu on my mac and I had to tweak the sound settings quite
a bit.

Are you sure there is NO sound or very very faint sound?

 


pp

 


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*Subject:* Re: [PD] ubuntu on mac no audio pd

 


and after that you can look into this

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation

It may help you.

and also, AFAIK you can instal the package ubuntustudio controls to
help you to set some configurations.

2010/4/22 Ariane stolfi mailto:arianesto...@gmail.com>>

hi,

I don't know if you had followed this

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac#Sound
for imac

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryMac
for other macs

they have steps to get mostly of your hardware working

a

2010/4/22 Roman Haefeli mailto:reduzie...@yahoo.de>>

On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 20:04 +0200, András Murányi wrote:
 >
 >
 > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato
 > mailto:santorcuat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 > Dear list: hello to everybodyi have a problem, in the
 > university i request about a second partition with ubuntu
9.04
 > for working with pd, they use a mac intel intel core 2 duo,
 > desktop line, i installed pd and work, but the sound no...in
 > all the system.
 >
 > Any idea or command in terminal? dependences? pulse audio
 >
 > Thanks a lot
 >
 > José
 >
 > Pulseaudio is... err, a mess, imho.
 > Go for jack - install jackd and qjackctl if needed.
 > It will most likely work, or if not, it will give you detailed error
 > messages

Just for the sake of completeness (I personally also prefer the jack
way):

$ pasuspender pd

This way you can have direct access to the audio hardware, which is
otherwise occupied by pulseaudio.

Roman





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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 114

[Marco Donnarumma]

well, we are in 3 then.
I'm using it a lot trying to (slowly) rewrite the framework of C::ntr::l.
IOhannes, may I keep on using it to develop the next version of a software
has been released publicly?
or am I playing with fire.. :)

I find IEMGUTS so useful.




I'll look into them better. since I use as many abstractions and
> $0-variables as I can, the possibilily of getting easy acess to parent
> parameters is quite useful. so there would be at least 2 users of iemguts.
>
>


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[PD] using routeOSC with dollar creation arguments

[Matteo Sisti Sette]

Hi,

I'm trying to create an abstraction that contains routeOSC and I want to 
"pass" a creation argument of the abstraction as creation argument of 
routeOSC, that is simply:


[routeOSC $3]

Now the problem is that the object doesn't create because of this error:

"error: * routeOSC: float arguments are not OK."

because when you are "editing" the abstraction "as a patch", $3 
evaluates to 0 (i guess).


Obviously I'm gonna use my abstraction with symbols as the $3 argument. 
Indeed if I do, the object will create. But since it doesn't when 
creating the abstraction, I cannot do the connections.


That relates to a more general problem that is how $-arguments are 
managed when you "define" an abstraction, since there is no distinction 
in Pd between defining an abstraction and creating a patch that is not 
gonna be used as an abstraction. In an ideal world, such a distinction 
should exist imho.


However usually this "issue" only prevents the abstraction from working 
properly when you "edit"/"define" it, and you wouldn't expect it to 
work; but it usually doesn't prevent you from creating it so that you 
can later use it.


Basically, if an object can accept a symbol as a creation argument (and 
only a symbol), it is an error to fail to create the object if the 
argument is not a symbol. Instead, the object should create as if the 
argument was a symbol, with the number of inlets and outlets that it 
would have if the argument was a symbol, _and_ print an error message 
and refuse to work, but not to create.



Now in this case there is a workaround:

[loadbang]
 |
[symbol $3]
 |
[set $1(
 |
[routeOSC /dummysymbol]


Note that [symbol $3] is an example of object that behaves "correctly" 
the way [routeOSC $3] should. When you are "editing" the abstraction, $3 
is 0, so [symbol $3] is just like [symbol 0]. Such [symbol 0] is not OK 
and you don't expect it to work: if you bang it, it outputs "symbol": 
[symbol] is not supposed to be created with a numeric argument. However, 
it doesn't fail to create.


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Re: [PD] VJ tools using pure data on Mac

[eM Tv]

hi didit,

if you haven't already, you should have a look on www.vjforums.com : it's a
huge english-speaking worldwide community where you're likely to find people
with various VJ softwares experiences, and there must be some info about pd
patches for mac, I'm pretty sure about it...

good luck !

let us know what you find...


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2010/4/22 Adityo Pratomo 

> Hi all,
>
> I've been looking for a nice VJ tool on Mac. Been trying the resolume, but
> sadly my graphic card couldn't handle it. So, I've seen the pdvjtools and
> qeve patches made from Pd, but sadly this is for Linux only. So, is there
> any patch that I can use to do some VJ practice?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Didit
>
>
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[PD] Orange : Amp+PC

[Pierre Massat]

Anbody heard about this? Are they the first to launch this kind of amp? It
looks cool, although i suppose it'll be quite expensive. I wonder how good
the soundcard is.

http://www.orangeamps.com/features.asp?ID=163

Pierre
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Re: [PD] several distributions populate array

[João Pais]

[#for 0 10 1]
  |
[# something...] <- put function here
  |
[#to_list]


do these objects have a counterpart in Pd? I wanted to avoid using still  
another version of the program.




if you want random distributions, then those are defined in many more
parameters than just an average value and an average deviation from that
value. there are as many kinds of randomness as there are kinds of
everything else. You can generate independent randomness (each sample is
separate from each other) or you can make them related (random walks,
markov chains, and more). First, you need to know what kind of effect
you'd like to achieve or what you'd like to imitate, and after that, I  
can

help you some more...


I'll try out several distributions and envelopes (increasing/decreasing  
envelope, etc.). There are already several random distribution objects  
around, which I'm thinking of using.


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Re: [PD] margins

[João Pais]

I didnt want it to do anything really, just wanted to know what it did...
what about those unit pixels thing? when the canvas is not gopped?
cheers


it basically sets the resolution of the gop. you notice it if you use data  
structures.


or even: create an array, and open the graphical subpatch. draw a wave,  
and try around different values. (also for any other fields)



with donecanvasdialog, I use these to change the zoom of my data-s  
patches, etc.


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Re: [PD] gui devel idea: "kiosk mode"

[João Pais]

i think it's probably better to do this via a msg

so basically there would be commands like:
gui-hide-menu
gui-hide-scrollbar
gui-hide- ...
gui-canvas-fullscreen
gui-hide-decortion


I would second that. just embedded in normal pd programming.





Provided this fullscreen feature, (how) do want to be able to scroll the
canvas? I suppose we just keep the scrollbars...?


it's possible to scroll without scrollbars - you just have to know  
yourself that there's something there. I would say that optional  
scrollbars (such as optionall everything) lends to more possibilities.


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