Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Jack wrote: OK, i have downloaded them with Fink (install binary package) In terminal : /gridflow-0.9.0 rybn12$ ./configure i get : This is the GridFlow 0.9.0 configurator within Ruby version 1.8.1-2003-12-25 [gcc3] GNU C++ Compiler 3 (or 4): You need to install g++, not just gcc. This will change many of the results of ./configure. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
Am 10.12.2007 um 02:13 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard: Note) On MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder : are you sure ? Is there a Finder option to show dot-files? There's one on Linux. in the terminal type: defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles 1 then restart the finder and it will display all the hidden files too. another neat thing i discovered some days ago is if you naviagte in the terminal to a hidden folder and use the open command it will open the unvisible folder in the finder (try open /bin ) PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
Ok, Mathieu, i have begun the installation and i am at the step 3 : 1 : Install Ruby. Make sure it contains ruby.h and intern.h and related files. It's also recommended to have libruby.so. Those extra files may be in a package called ruby-dev if you are using RPM or DEB/ FINK. If you are building Ruby yourself, it's better to configure ruby with --enable-shared, else you won't have libruby.so (but you will still have libruby.a). If you need to have two Rubies at once, for example Ruby 1.8 for running Rails and Ruby 1.9 for running GridFlow, you may build Ruby 1.9 with the option --program-suffix=19 which will help distinguish the two Rubies. It's also possible to have two Rubies installed without that option, but it might be complicated. If you install into a system directory, you may have to run ldconfig after installing Ruby. OK, i have downloaded it with Fink (install binary package) 2 : Download GridFlow from the website and uncompress it, or get it from the CVS server. OK 3 : Run ./configure from the gridflow directory. Make sure it detects all the components you want to use with GridFlow. If your OS is Debian or Ubuntu you would run ruby1.9 configure instead so that it doesn't use ruby 1.8. In MacOS you would normally use FINK to install those extra components: libjpeg libjpeg-shlibs libpng-shlibs libpng3 libpng3-shlibs libmpeg libmpeg-shlibs OK, i have downloaded them with Fink (install binary package) In terminal : /gridflow-0.9.0 rybn12$ ./configure i get : This is the GridFlow 0.9.0 configurator within Ruby version 1.8.1-2003-12-25 [gcc3] GNU C++ Compiler 3 (or 4): missing (gcc compilation error) [stl] C++ Standard Template Library: - missing (gcc compilation error) [gcc64] GNU C++ in 64-bit mode: -- missing (gcc compilation error) [libruby] Ruby as a dynamic library: - missing (gcc compilation error) [librubystatic] Ruby as a static library: missing (gcc compilation error) [libtclh] Tcl headers tcl.h: --- missing (where is tcl.h ?) [libtclh] Tcl headers tcl8.5/tcl.h: missing (where is tcl8.5/ tcl.h ?) [libtclh] Tcl headers tcl8.4/tcl.h: missing (where is tcl8.4/ tcl.h ?) [libtclh] Tcl headers tcl8.3/tcl.h: missing (where is tcl8.3/ tcl.h ?) [libtcl] Tcl as a dynamic library: --- missing (gcc compilation error) [pentium] Pentium-compatible CPU: missing (powerpc-darwin instead) [mmx] MMX-compatible CPU (using NASM): --- disabled (would need pentium) [usb] USB Library: --- missing (where is usb.h ?) [x11] X11 Display Protocol: -- missing (where is X11/Xlib.h ?) [x11_shm] X11 acceleration by shared memory (XSHM plugin): --- disabled (would need x11) [sdl] Simple Directmedia Layer (experimental support): --- missing (where is SDL/SDL.h ?) [objcpp] GNU/Apple ObjectiveC++ Compiler: missing (where is objc/Object.h ?) [quartz] Apple Quartz/Cocoa Display: - disabled (would need objcpp) [aalib] Ascii Art Library: --- missing (where is aalib.h ?) [jpeg] JPEG Library: - missing (gcc compilation error) [png] PNG Library libpng12/png.h: -- missing (gcc compilation error) [png] PNG Library png.h: --- missing (gcc compilation error) [videodev] Video4linux Digitizer Driver Interface: --- missing (where is linux/videodev.h ?) [mpeg3] HeroineWarrior LibMPEG3 libmpeg3/libmpeg3.h: --- missing (where is libmpeg3/libmpeg3.h ?) [mpeg3] HeroineWarrior LibMPEG3 libmpeg3.h: missing (where is libmpeg3.h ?) [quicktimeapple] Apple's QuickTime: -- missing (gcc compilation error) [quicktimehw] Plaum's LibQuickTime (try #1) lqt/quicktime.h: --- missing (where is lqt/quicktime.h ?) [quicktimehw] Plaum's LibQuickTime (try #1) quicktime/quicktime.h: - missing (where is quicktime/quicktime.h ?) [quicktimehw] Plaum's LibQuickTime (try #2) lqt/quicktime.h: --- missing (where is lqt/quicktime.h ?) [quicktimehw] Plaum's LibQuickTime
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On 12 Dec 2007, at 4:16 AM, Max Neupert wrote: Is there a Finder option to show dot-files? There's one on Linux. in the terminal type: defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles 1 then restart the finder and it will display all the hidden files too. another neat thing i discovered some days ago is if you naviagte in the terminal to a hidden folder and use the open command it will open the unvisible folder in the finder (try open /bin ) 'Go to folder...' (or shift-cmd-G) will also open hidden folders in Finder, then I make visible aliases to folders such as /bin or /usr. For those who insist on GUI access to lots of preferences otherwise only accessible through the terminal try TinkerTool from http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/download.html and/or OnyX from http://www.titanium.free.fr. For a very useful extension to Finder, a better way to get file info and to browse invisible files try XRay from http://www.brockerhoff.net/xray simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
OK, it seems that GF is a powerfull tool. But why there is no basic tutorial for beginner to install it ? Because : 1 : Install Ruby. Make sure it contains ruby.h and intern.h and related files. It's also recommended to have libruby.so. Those extra files may be in a package called ruby-dev if you are using RPM or DEB/ FINK. If you are building Ruby yourself, it's better to configure ruby with --enable-shared, else you won't have libruby.so (but you will still have libruby.a). If you need to have two Rubies at once, for example Ruby 1.8 for running Rails and Ruby 1.9 for running GridFlow, you may build Ruby 1.9 with the option --program-suffix=19 which will help distinguish the two Rubies. It's also possible to have two Rubies installed without that option, but it might be complicated. If you install into a system directory, you may have to run ldconfig after installing Ruby. 2 : Download GridFlow from the website and uncompress it, or get it from the CVS server. 3 : Run ./configure from the gridflow directory. Make sure it detects all the components you want to use with GridFlow. If your OS is Debian or Ubuntu you would run ruby1.9 configure instead so that it doesn't use ruby 1.8. In MacOS you would normally use FINK to install those extra components: libjpeg libjpeg-shlibs libpng-shlibs libpng3 libpng3-shlibs libmpeg libmpeg-shlibs 4 : Note: you may have to set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH to indicate where to find *.h files, and you may have to set both LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to indicate where to find *.so or *.aor *.dylib or *.bundle or *.dll or *.lib files. 5 : Note: you can do ./configure --help to get a list of supported options. You can use them to ignore the presence of troublesome libraries and select debugging level. With --use-compiler you should use a version of g++, not directly a version of gcc, else you get undefined symbol problems. Some versions of gcc/g++ are troublesome. 6 : Run make to produce the executables gridflow.so and gridflow.pd_linux or similar 7 : With a text editor, create ~/.gridflow_startup and write something like GridFlow.data_path /pd/extra/gridflow/images to tell GridFlow where to find additional folders containing images or movies you want to use with GridFlow. 8 : Ltilib (optional, linux only): The LTI-Lib is an object oriented library with algorithms and data structures frequently used in image processing and computer vision. 1 : Download and install ltilib version 1.9.15 from http:// ltilib.sourceforge.net/ 2 : in optional/rblti do: make 9 : Loading GridFlow: 1 : PureData : With a text editor, modify or create ~/.pdrc and write -lib gridflow. 2 : ImpureData : In the .pdrc editor, add gridflow to the list of libraries. 3 : plain Ruby : the command require gridflow will load gridflow.so. Note that on MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder but you do cd ~/Desktop; ln -s ../.pdrc PureData Configuration to make an alias on the Desktop. Note also that on Windows the dot-files are even more trouble. 1) Where to DL Ruby and how to install it (macosx) ? 2) OK 3) With Macosx, how to use Fink (what we do with it ?) what can we do with Fink to configure GF ? 4) Set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH : where is it and what is it ? Where to find *.h files : where is it ans what is it ? And you may have to set both LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH : where is it and what is it ? To indicate where to find *.so or *.aor *.dylib or *.bundle or *.dll or *.lib files : idem ? 5) It's like chinese langage for me. 6) OK 7) And we save it on the desktop ? 8) For linux only (equivalent for OSX ?) 9) OK Note) On MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder : are you sure ? I think a clear documentation is good for people like me. Then we could install GF without problem. This would multiply the chances to have GF by 10 ? ;). Why GF is not include with pd-extended ? Thanx for your answer. Jack Le 8 déc. 07 à 21:30, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote: i wouldn't say that gridflow is only for expert people, but yes, there is a lot to learn, when learning gridflow. and learning it is very interesting. i don't have an academical/mathematical background and for me gridflow is one of these tools, that help me understand theories, that i wouldn't have a chance to understand whithout seeing them implemented and working. this applies also very much to pd, i think. would you consider pd to be a tool only for dsp experts and academic musicians? Exactly. GridFlow is designed like Pd is, while GEM and PDP both try to hide much more about video and other data types, than what Pd ever hides. (One hides less, by allowing lots of data converters and data operations in a way that you can access the data the way you want, instead of having to rely solely on readymades) _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard -
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
Oh I would love it if GridFlow was out of box included with Pd-extended. It would be a nice asset to compete with the linear algebra aspects of Jitter... I agree that the setup is difficult. I haven't gotten it to work on OS X yet. Who _has_ installed GF on OS X? I wonder how difficult it would be to make as a self-contained application. It seems to rely on several shared libraries and an installed version of Ruby...not an easy task? ~Kyle On Dec 9, 2007 10:44 AM, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, it seems that GF is a powerfull tool. But why there is no basic tutorial for beginner to install it ? Because : 1 : Install Ruby. Make sure it contains ruby.h and intern.h and related files. It's also recommended to have libruby.so. Those extra files may be in a package called ruby-dev if you are using RPM or DEB/FINK. If you are building Ruby yourself, it's better to configure ruby with --enable-shared, else you won't have libruby.so (but you will still have libruby.a). If you need to have two Rubies at once, for example Ruby 1.8 for running Rails and Ruby 1.9 for running GridFlow, you may build Ruby 1.9 with the option --program-suffix=19 which will help distinguish the two Rubies. It's also possible to have two Rubies installed without that option, but it might be complicated. If you install into a system directory, you may have to run ldconfig after installing Ruby. 2 : Download GridFlow from the website and uncompress it, or get it from the CVS server. 3 : Run ./configure from the gridflow directory. Make sure it detects all the components you want to use with GridFlow. If your OS is Debian or Ubuntu you would run ruby1.9 configure instead so that it doesn't use ruby 1.8. In MacOS you would normally use FINK to install those extra components: libjpeg libjpeg-shlibs libpng-shlibs libpng3 libpng3-shlibs libmpeg libmpeg-shlibs 4 : Note: you may have to set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH to indicate where to find *.h files, and you may have to set both LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to indicate where to find *.so or *.aor *.dylib or *.bundle or *.dll or *.lib files. 5 : Note: you can do ./configure --help to get a list of supported options. You can use them to ignore the presence of troublesome libraries and select debugging level. With --use-compiler you should use a version of g++, not directly a version of gcc, else you get undefined symbol problems. Some versions of gcc/g++ are troublesome. 6 : Run make to produce the executables gridflow.so and gridflow.pd_linux or similar 7 : With a text editor, create ~/.gridflow_startup and write something like GridFlow.data_path /pd/extra/gridflow/images to tell GridFlow where to find additional folders containing images or movies you want to use with GridFlow. 8 : Ltilib (optional, linux only): The LTI-Lib is an object oriented library with algorithms and data structures frequently used in image processing and computer vision. 1 : Download and install ltilib version 1.9.15 from http://ltilib.sourceforge.net/ 2 : in optional/rblti do: make 9 : Loading GridFlow: 1 : PureData : With a text editor, modify or create ~/.pdrc and write -lib gridflow. 2 : ImpureData : In the .pdrc editor, add gridflow to the list of libraries. 3 : plain Ruby : the command require gridflow will load gridflow.so. Note that on MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder but you do cd ~/Desktop; ln -s ../.pdrc PureData Configuration to make an alias on the Desktop. Note also that on Windows the dot-files are even more trouble. 1) Where to DL Ruby and how to install it (macosx) ? 2) OK 3) With Macosx, how to use Fink (what we do with it ?) what can we do with Fink to configure GF ? 4) Set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH : where is it and what is it ? Where to find *.h files : where is it ans what is it ? And you may have to set both LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH : where is it and what is it ? To indicate where to find *.so or *.aor *.dylib or *.bundle or *.dll or *.lib files : idem ? 5) It's like chinese langage for me. 6) OK 7) And we save it on the desktop ? 8) For linux only (equivalent for OSX ?) 9) OK Note) On MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder : are you sure ? I think a clear documentation is good for people like me. Then we could install GF without problem. This would multiply the chances to have GF by 10 ? ;). Why GF is not include with pd-extended ? Thanx for your answer. Jack Le 8 déc. 07 à 21:30, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote: i wouldn't say that gridflow is only for expert people, but yes, there is a lot to learn, when learning gridflow. and learning it is very interesting. i don't have an academical/mathematical background and for me gridflow is one of these tools, that help me understand theories, that i wouldn't have a chance to understand whithout seeing them implemented and working. this applies also very much to pd, i think. would you consider pd to be
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
Ok, I am going to attempt a GridFlow OS X installation. Is Ruby 1.9 absolutely needed? It seems that the most recent stable release of Ruby is 1.8.6. ~Kyle On Dec 9, 2007 12:15 PM, Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I would love it if GridFlow was out of box included with Pd-extended. It would be a nice asset to compete with the linear algebra aspects of Jitter... I agree that the setup is difficult. I haven't gotten it to work on OS X yet. Who _has_ installed GF on OS X? I wonder how difficult it would be to make as a self-contained application. It seems to rely on several shared libraries and an installed version of Ruby...not an easy task? ~Kyle On Dec 9, 2007 10:44 AM, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, it seems that GF is a powerfull tool. But why there is no basic tutorial for beginner to install it ? Because : 1 : Install Ruby. Make sure it contains ruby.h and intern.h and related files. It's also recommended to have libruby.so. Those extra files may be in a package called ruby-dev if you are using RPM or DEB/FINK. If you are building Ruby yourself, it's better to configure ruby with --enable-shared, else you won't have libruby.so (but you will still have libruby.a). If you need to have two Rubies at once, for example Ruby 1.8 for running Rails and Ruby 1.9 for running GridFlow, you may build Ruby 1.9 with the option --program-suffix=19 which will help distinguish the two Rubies. It's also possible to have two Rubies installed without that option, but it might be complicated. If you install into a system directory, you may have to run ldconfig after installing Ruby. 2 : Download GridFlow from the website and uncompress it, or get it from the CVS server. 3 : Run ./configure from the gridflow directory. Make sure it detects all the components you want to use with GridFlow. If your OS is Debian or Ubuntu you would run ruby1.9 configure instead so that it doesn't use ruby 1.8. In MacOS you would normally use FINK to install those extra components: libjpeg libjpeg-shlibs libpng-shlibs libpng3 libpng3-shlibs libmpeg libmpeg-shlibs 4 : Note: you may have to set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH to indicate where to find *.h files, and you may have to set both LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to indicate where to find *.so or *.aor *.dylib or *.bundle or *.dll or *.lib files. 5 : Note: you can do ./configure --help to get a list of supported options. You can use them to ignore the presence of troublesome libraries and select debugging level. With --use-compiler you should use a version of g++, not directly a version of gcc, else you get undefined symbol problems. Some versions of gcc/g++ are troublesome. 6 : Run make to produce the executables gridflow.so and gridflow.pd_linux or similar 7 : With a text editor, create ~/.gridflow_startup and write something like GridFlow.data_path /pd/extra/gridflow/images to tell GridFlow where to find additional folders containing images or movies you want to use with GridFlow. 8 : Ltilib (optional, linux only): The LTI-Lib is an object oriented library with algorithms and data structures frequently used in image processing and computer vision. 1 : Download and install ltilib version 1.9.15 from http://ltilib.sourceforge.net/ 2 : in optional/rblti do: make 9 : Loading GridFlow: 1 : PureData : With a text editor, modify or create ~/.pdrc and write -lib gridflow. 2 : ImpureData : In the .pdrc editor, add gridflow to the list of libraries. 3 : plain Ruby : the command require gridflow will load gridflow.so. Note that on MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder but you do cd ~/Desktop; ln -s ../.pdrc PureData Configuration to make an alias on the Desktop. Note also that on Windows the dot-files are even more trouble. 1) Where to DL Ruby and how to install it (macosx) ? 2) OK 3) With Macosx, how to use Fink (what we do with it ?) what can we do with Fink to configure GF ? 4) Set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH : where is it and what is it ? Where to find *.h files : where is it ans what is it ? And you may have to set both LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH : where is it and what is it ? To indicate where to find *.so or *.aor *.dylib or *.bundle or *.dll or *.lib files : idem ? 5) It's like chinese langage for me. 6) OK 7) And we save it on the desktop ? 8) For linux only (equivalent for OSX ?) 9) OK Note) On MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder : are you sure ? I think a clear documentation is good for people like me. Then we could install GF without problem. This would multiply the chances to have GF by 10 ? ;). Why GF is not include with pd-extended ? Thanx for your answer. Jack Le 8 déc. 07 à 21:30, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote: i wouldn't say that gridflow is only for expert people, but yes, there is a lot to learn, when learning gridflow. and
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Jack wrote: OK, it seems that GF is a powerfull tool. But why there is no basic tutorial for beginner to install it ? Because : You didn't have to paste the complete install.html text... 1) Where to DL Ruby and how to install it (macosx) ? I installed it using Fink, perhaps, but if not, then http://ruby-lang.org/ is the main site, as you can find immediately with Google. 3) With Macosx, how to use Fink (what we do with it ?) what can we do with Fink to configure GF ? In Fink you find the packages that are listed exactly in that section of install.html, you select them, and you click install (or whatever they decided to call it) 4) Set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH : where is it and what is it ? All the _PATH things are environment variables. It's a pity that none of the UNIX systems (OSX, Linux, etc) handle them automatically, but at the same time it's the official way to configure that kind of stuff. You will need to use the export command of the shell. 5) It's like chinese langage for me. You will need to learn a bit of shell language (the command language normally used in the Terminal) 7) And we save it on the desktop ? No, ~/ means Home folder, but I just removed step 7 because it's obsolete. GF does it automatically. 8) For linux only (equivalent for OSX ?) Perhaps that it would've been compilable for OSX, but we never tried, and anyway we are removing LtiLib support in favour of OpenCV. Note) On MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder : are you sure ? Is there a Finder option to show dot-files? There's one on Linux. Why GF is not include with pd-extended ? Long story. We couldn't agree on who should do that work, and in the end, Alexandre Castonguay volunteered for that, but it's not finished. Other reasons are that I wouldn't be allowed to bundle Ruby with Pd-Extended, and that copying GridFlow from one CVS to another was too complicated or boring. This is in the process of getting solved, slowly. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Oh I would love it if GridFlow was out of box included with Pd-extended. It would be a nice asset to compete with the linear algebra aspects of Jitter... Imho, GridFlow doesn't have enough actual linear algebra in it. The strength is in something more general than linear algebra, which I could call grid algebra, which doesn't just involve linear operations. The two most common linear algebra operations that are still missing are matrix inversion and eigendecomposition. Coming soon... using OpenCV. I agree that the setup is difficult. I haven't gotten it to work on OS X yet. Who _has_ installed GF on OS X? I have, some years ago, but James Tittle was more the expert about GF on OSX. I wonder how difficult it would be to make as a self-contained application. It seems to rely on several shared libraries and an installed version of Ruby...not an easy task? I will help anyone is willing to try to make a package. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Ok, I am going to attempt a GridFlow OS X installation. Is Ruby 1.9 absolutely needed? It seems that the most recent stable release of Ruby is 1.8.6. Since GridFlow 0.8.4, Ruby 1.9 is less needed, as it works better with Ruby 1.8 than it used to. Still, some things are messy, and the API of Ruby keeps on changing, even going just from 1.8.4 to 1.8.5, so I can't guarantee anything, but I can help fixing problems, again. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
Thank you Mathieu for these explanations, i will see that tomorrow. ++ Jack Le 10 déc. 07 à 02:13, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Jack wrote: OK, it seems that GF is a powerfull tool. But why there is no basic tutorial for beginner to install it ? Because : You didn't have to paste the complete install.html text... 1) Where to DL Ruby and how to install it (macosx) ? I installed it using Fink, perhaps, but if not, then http://ruby- lang.org/ is the main site, as you can find immediately with Google. 3) With Macosx, how to use Fink (what we do with it ?) what can we do with Fink to configure GF ? In Fink you find the packages that are listed exactly in that section of install.html, you select them, and you click install (or whatever they decided to call it) 4) Set CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH : where is it and what is it ? All the _PATH things are environment variables. It's a pity that none of the UNIX systems (OSX, Linux, etc) handle them automatically, but at the same time it's the official way to configure that kind of stuff. You will need to use the export command of the shell. 5) It's like chinese langage for me. You will need to learn a bit of shell language (the command language normally used in the Terminal) 7) And we save it on the desktop ? No, ~/ means Home folder, but I just removed step 7 because it's obsolete. GF does it automatically. 8) For linux only (equivalent for OSX ?) Perhaps that it would've been compilable for OSX, but we never tried, and anyway we are removing LtiLib support in favour of OpenCV. Note) On MacOS the dot-files are invisible in the Finder : are you sure ? Is there a Finder option to show dot-files? There's one on Linux. Why GF is not include with pd-extended ? Long story. We couldn't agree on who should do that work, and in the end, Alexandre Castonguay volunteered for that, but it's not finished. Other reasons are that I wouldn't be allowed to bundle Ruby with Pd-Extended, and that copying GridFlow from one CVS to another was too complicated or boring. This is in the process of getting solved, slowly. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote: i wouldn't say that gridflow is only for expert people, but yes, there is a lot to learn, when learning gridflow. and learning it is very interesting. i don't have an academical/mathematical background and for me gridflow is one of these tools, that help me understand theories, that i wouldn't have a chance to understand whithout seeing them implemented and working. this applies also very much to pd, i think. would you consider pd to be a tool only for dsp experts and academic musicians? Exactly. GridFlow is designed like Pd is, while GEM and PDP both try to hide much more about video and other data types, than what Pd ever hides. (One hides less, by allowing lots of data converters and data operations in a way that you can access the data the way you want, instead of having to rely solely on readymades) _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 01:49 +0100, Jack wrote: Why gridflow is for expert coder people ( 0,5 % of people on the earth ? hm, i am sure, that gridflow is used by more than 0.3 people on earth ;-) i wouldn't call myself an expert, but i would call myself a sporadic gridflow user. i used gridflow for an artwork during my exchange at university of ottawa. i wouldn't say that gridflow is only for expert people, but yes, there is a lot to learn, when learning gridflow. and learning it is very interesting. i don't have an academical/mathematical background and for me gridflow is one of these tools, that help me understand theories, that i wouldn't have a chance to understand whithout seeing them implemented and working. this applies also very much to pd, i think. would you consider pd to be a tool only for dsp experts and academic musicians? roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow for expert people ?
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Jack wrote: Why gridflow is for expert coder people not necessarily, but people tend to use GEM as much as possible and only use GridFlow for things that they can't do with GEM. On top of that they usually try PDP as well. GridFlow for beginners tends to be more common at Université d'Ottawa than anywhere else. GridFlow is more low-level in some ways as it exposes more details of what's going on, but this same thing allows for more configurability and genericity. The latter is the ability to use the same objects to do different things on different kinds of data, but especially in the case of GridFlow, in a way that the difference is in how you interpret it, because GridFlow treats everything equally. A cross-fade is done in exactly the same way no matter what you apply it on: images, translations, polygons, sounds, numbers, notes, whatever. is it for fun ? It's fun, but it's also quite serious. It's also been used for exhibitions at the museum of contemporary arts of Montréal, the museum of civilisation of Québec, and several gallery exhibitions, but also Claude in the UK has done quite a lot with it. There might be artwork done with GridFlow that I don't know about. You are in your right to continue thus (for 30 people (good luck for you !) and long life for gridflow ) thx for you answer. So, what's your point? Do you have concrete changes in mind? _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] gridflow for expert people ?
Why gridflow is for expert coder people ( 0,5 % of people on the earth ? and maybe 0,05 % of the users of PD) is it for fun ? You are in your right to continue thus (for 30 people (good luck for you !) and long life for gridflow ) thx for you answer. Jack ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
