Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 12. Dezember 2021 21:05:14 MEZ schrieb Miller Puckette via Pd-list 
:
>
>
>Nope - Wish 8.6.12 seems to depend on newer Mac features than are
>on OSX 10.7.  
>
>But I'm OK with continuing to compile for 10.7 on my old machine and
>make it available to people like me :)
>

So how do we proceed from here?
Currently my CI builds are unable to create a working Wish.app themselves, so 
they fetch the universal builds from miller's site.
I don't really like this much, as I think the upload was mainly done for 
testing whether it works at all, rather than for deployment.

So: should these binaries be included in mac/stuff/? 

Or not (which i'm fine with as well, see my post scriptum. In any case I'd like 
to know)

(taking this to PD-dev)

mfg.sfg.jfd
IOhannes

PS: I can't believe I'm writing this - as I'm typically in the forefront of 
opposing any binary assets in git repositories.
probably I should just upload the packages to some CI related "asset store".


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[William Brent]

Hi, here are the steps I've carried out in my test:

I'm using macOS Big Sur 11.6.1 on an Intel 64bit machine. I've already got
JACK 1.9.19 installed from https://jackaudio.org/downloads/. I went with
the Intel 64bit installer as opposed to the universal installer. My version
of Pd 0.52-0 test3 is the one "compiled for Macintosh OS 10 or later" from
Miller's page.

When I open Pd-0.52-0test3.app and choose "jack" as the audio backend, I
get an error in the Pd console saying "JACK: couldn't connect to server, is
JACK running?"

I then quit Pd entirely and start QjackCtl (also obtained from the
https://jackaudio.org/downloads/ install package). I can successfully start
the JACK server through QjackCtl and engage with other apps like Ardour.
When I start Pd again and choose "jack" as the audio backend, I still
receive the "JACK: couldn't connect to server, is JACK running?" error and
"pure_data" does not show up in the JACK connection graph.

If I then start Dan's most recent build of test3
(Pd-0.52-0test3-x86_64-jack.app) from this email thread, choosing "jack"
from the Media menu results in no error and "pure_data" shows up in the
JACK connection graph.

Thanks and let me know if I can test other attempts to fix this. I'll keep
an eye on this thread.




On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:29 AM IOhannes m zmölnig  wrote:

> On 12/13/21 03:42, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> >>
> >> As explained in previous emails, I don't use jack from Homebrew for my
> builds. I use the distribution from jack.org <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__jack.org_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=xZhKQcor-5nubxwqw4EU2QFekoO3jau_fkGQI5knM1g=
> > which is equivalent to the old JackOSX distribution:
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=
> >
> >>
> >> You just need to download and run the installer on the build machine,
> which could also be automated via a script. People needing to use jack
> installed via Homebrew should build Pd themselves as the those libs doesn't
> seem to enable weak linking like the ones in the installer AFAICT.
> >>
> >> Dan Wilcox
> >>
> >
> > Right ho - Iohannes - I'm hoping this is something you can fix in the CI
> > builds
> >
>
> yes of course.
>
> i'd still like to understand the problem first though.
>
> my setup is: macOS X Sierra (10.7) in a VM
>
> if i install the dmg file from my CI-scripts (now that they use a
> non-broken Tcl/Tk) Pd opens up just fine.
> going to the media menu, i see two options for the audio backend:
> - standard (portaudio)
> - jack
>
> selecting "jack" i get an error on the Pd-console, saying:
>  > Can't open Jack (it seems not to be installed)
>
> this is expected, as i haven't installed jack.
>
> i then download JACK-1.9.19 from https://jackaudio.org/downloads/,
> extract it, and run the jack2.pkg found withing.
> this should install JACK.
>
> i *restart* Pd and select "jack" again, and now i get an error
>  > JACK: couldn't connect to server, is JACK running?
>
> again, tihs is expected, as i haven't started JACK.
>
> so i open up qJackCtl (also found in the download from jackaudio.org),
> and start the JACK server (i use the *dummy* audio backend, as the VM
> has no soundcard).
>
> back in Pd, i again select "jack" as the backend, and - tada - no more
> warnings *and* Pd shows up in the qjackctl graph.
>
> the binary i'm using is this one (Tcl/Tk is universal; but Pd itself is
> only amd64; this is built with JACK from homebrew):
> https://git.iem.at/pd/pure-data/-/jobs/33751/artifacts/download
>
>
> william: could you tell me where our paths deviate?
>
> gfmdsa
> IOhannes
>


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 12/13/21 11:25, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


hmm, which dmg?

my plan was:
- download the .tgz



ah.
re-reading your emails i see:

On 12/12/21 23:01, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I use the distribution from http://jack.org which is
> equivalent to the old JackOSX distribution:
> https://jackaudio.org/downloads/


now i downloaded from https://jackaudio.org/downloads/.
where *should* I download from instead?
http://jack.org seems to be very wrong - health related rather than 
audio related...


gmasdr
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 12/13/21 10:53, Dan Wilcox wrote:

FYI IOhannes:

For a project at work which uses JACK, I set up the build system to download 
the prebuilt JACK dmg and extract it to a local build directory. This seems to 
work fine for both building *and* distribution as user systems which have 
(non-homebrew) JACK installed are able to run the program with JACK.


hmm, which dmg?

my plan was:
- download the .tgz
- extract the .pkg from the .tgz
- run `installer -pkg ./*.pkg -target /`

afaict, there's no way to tell `installer` to extract to a specific 
directory (as opposed to (disk) volume).


but anyhow: for somewhat unrelated reasons i like this more that 
installing "jack" via homebrew (given that with homebrew you quickly end 
up rebuilding your entire system if you are not running the very latest 
macOS - something that is rather detrimental to the idea of a CI)




I have a feeling that, like JackOSX before it, the JACK distribution builds do some extra 
step which makes this "magic" work (weak linking?) while the Homebrew builds do 
not (linked applications expect same lib path). As to why exactly, I don't know, maybe 
changing the dylib path? In any case, I think it's easier for most people to run an 
installer rather than ask them to copy/paste and run command line incantations to use 
JACK via Homebrew. :)


but isn't this what i'm seeing (as described in my previous mail): JACK 
being "somehow" weekly linked.


i somehow have the feeling i'm looking at the wrong places for the issue 
you seem to be having.


how can i quickly test whether my builds work as expected?

gf,msdrt
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

FYI IOhannes:

For a project at work which uses JACK, I set up the build system to download 
the prebuilt JACK dmg and extract it to a local build directory. This seems to 
work fine for both building *and* distribution as user systems which have 
(non-homebrew) JACK installed are able to run the program with JACK.

I have a feeling that, like JackOSX before it, the JACK distribution builds do 
some extra step which makes this "magic" work (weak linking?) while the 
Homebrew builds do not (linked applications expect same lib path). As to why 
exactly, I don't know, maybe changing the dylib path? In any case, I think it's 
easier for most people to run an installer rather than ask them to copy/paste 
and run command line incantations to use JACK via Homebrew. :)

> On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:29 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:29:55 +0100
> From: IOhannes m zm?lnig mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>>
> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>, William Brent 
> mailto:william.br...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> Message-ID:  <mailto:fff79b5d-c70a-27e7-2717-7ff6cefd1...@iem.at>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> On 12/13/21 03:42, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
>>> 
>>> As explained in previous emails, I don't use jack from Homebrew for my 
>>> builds. I use the distribution from jack.org <http://jack.org/> 
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__jack.org_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=xZhKQcor-5nubxwqw4EU2QFekoO3jau_fkGQI5knM1g=
>>>  
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__jack.org_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=xZhKQcor-5nubxwqw4EU2QFekoO3jau_fkGQI5knM1g=>
>>>  > which is equivalent to the old JackOSX distribution:
>>> 
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=
>>>  
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=>
>>>  
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=
>>>  
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=>
>>>  >
>>> 
>>> You just need to download and run the installer on the build machine, which 
>>> could also be automated via a script. People needing to use jack installed 
>>> via Homebrew should build Pd themselves as the those libs doesn't seem to 
>>> enable weak linking like the ones in the installer AFAICT.
>>> 
>>> Dan Wilcox
>>> 
>> 
>> Right ho - Iohannes - I'm hoping this is something you can fix in the CI
>> builds 
>> 
> 
> yes of course.
> 
> i'd still like to understand the problem first though.
> 
> my setup is: macOS X Sierra (10.7) in a VM
> 
> if i install the dmg file from my CI-scripts (now that they use a 
> non-broken Tcl/Tk) Pd opens up just fine.
> going to the media menu, i see two options for the audio backend:
> - standard (portaudio)
> - jack
> 
> selecting "jack" i get an error on the Pd-console, saying:
>> Can't open Jack (it seems not to be installed)
> 
> this is expected, as i haven't installed jack.
> 
> i then download JACK-1.9.19 from https://jackaudio.org/downloads/ 
> <https://jackaudio.org/downloads/>, 
> extract it, and run the jack2.pkg found withing.
> this should install JACK.
> 
> i *restart* Pd and select "jack" again, and now i get an error
>> JACK: couldn't connect to server, is JACK running?
> 
> again, tihs is expected, as i haven't started JACK.
> 
> so i open up qJackCtl (also found in the download from jackaudio.org 
> <http://jackaudio.org/>), 
> and start the JACK server (i use the *dummy* audio backend, as the VM 

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/13/21 03:42, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:


As explained in previous emails, I don't use jack from Homebrew for my builds. I use the distribution from 
jack.org 
 which is equivalent to the old JackOSX distribution:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=
  


You just need to download and run the installer on the build machine, which 
could also be automated via a script. People needing to use jack installed via 
Homebrew should build Pd themselves as the those libs doesn't seem to enable 
weak linking like the ones in the installer AFAICT.

Dan Wilcox



Right ho - Iohannes - I'm hoping this is something you can fix in the CI
builds 



yes of course.

i'd still like to understand the problem first though.

my setup is: macOS X Sierra (10.7) in a VM

if i install the dmg file from my CI-scripts (now that they use a 
non-broken Tcl/Tk) Pd opens up just fine.

going to the media menu, i see two options for the audio backend:
- standard (portaudio)
- jack

selecting "jack" i get an error on the Pd-console, saying:
> Can't open Jack (it seems not to be installed)

this is expected, as i haven't installed jack.

i then download JACK-1.9.19 from https://jackaudio.org/downloads/, 
extract it, and run the jack2.pkg found withing.

this should install JACK.

i *restart* Pd and select "jack" again, and now i get an error
> JACK: couldn't connect to server, is JACK running?

again, tihs is expected, as i haven't started JACK.

so i open up qJackCtl (also found in the download from jackaudio.org), 
and start the JACK server (i use the *dummy* audio backend, as the VM 
has no soundcard).


back in Pd, i again select "jack" as the backend, and - tada - no more 
warnings *and* Pd shows up in the qjackctl graph.


the binary i'm using is this one (Tcl/Tk is universal; but Pd itself is 
only amd64; this is built with JACK from homebrew):

https://git.iem.at/pd/pure-data/-/jobs/33751/artifacts/download


william: could you tell me where our paths deviate?

gfmdsa
IOhannes


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

> 
> As explained in previous emails, I don't use jack from Homebrew for my 
> builds. I use the distribution from jack.org 
>   > which is equivalent to the old JackOSX distribution:
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jackaudio.org_downloads_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=ycOjZIud6YrWOk_GwSKZQH8UkGH1TeCiVsjsMIlmE_FTvOHrDlkBofF6FsBNUyl-=bfa_OxtCOIyvpdlj2NL0nPmVqj505twR0xAxEXWncog=
>   
>   >
> 
> You just need to download and run the installer on the build machine, which 
> could also be automated via a script. People needing to use jack installed 
> via Homebrew should build Pd themselves as the those libs doesn't seem to 
> enable weak linking like the ones in the installer AFAICT.
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> 

Right ho - Iohannes - I'm hoping this is something you can fix in the CI
builds (since I plan to distribute that as the up-to-date compiled version for
MacOS)

cheers
M



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

>> seems to run fine on "macOS Sierra - 10.12.6"
>> 
>> miller: does it also run on "Mac OS X Lion - 10.7"?
>> (or even "OS X Snow Leopard - 10.6"?)
>> 
>> gffxyd
>> IOhannes
> 
> Nope - Wish 8.6.12 seems to depend on newer Mac features than are
> on OSX 10.7.  
> 
> But I'm OK with continuing to compile for 10.7 on my old machine and
> make it available to people like me :)

Probably stick with Tk 8.6.10 or 11 for that build then.

> Meanwhile, the jack mystery is still unsolved as far as I know (the
> brew version somehow doesn't like newest jackd?)

As explained in previous emails, I don't use jack from Homebrew for my builds. 
I use the distribution from jack.org  which is equivalent to 
the old JackOSX distribution:

https://jackaudio.org/downloads/ 

You just need to download and run the installer on the build machine, which 
could also be automated via a script. People needing to use jack installed via 
Homebrew should build Pd themselves as the those libs doesn't seem to enable 
weak linking like the ones in the installer AFAICT.


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika 
danomatika.com 
robotcowboy.com 



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

IOhannes, your build runs fine on my macOS 11.6.1 M1 system.

Weird, I guess something is broken on my build setup. In any case, we should be 
good with one of these replacing the tarball in mac/stuff.

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 8:11 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> i think here's a better one:
>  >
> 
> as the name suggests it is a universal binary (x86_64 + arm64)
> 
> a quick test shows that it is working on "Sierra" (macOS X 10.12.16), so 
> i hope this is better than dan's luck with universal Tcl/Tk (it's not 
> totally clear to me whether his "doesn't run" means: "doesn't run on any 
> platform" or only "doesn't run on M1"
> 
> 
> however i would like people who have access on othre platforms to test.
> esp:
> - macOS X 10.7 (miller :-))
> - Monterey amd64
> - Monterey x86_64
> 
> but really, any platform however old or new should do...


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika 
danomatika.com 
robotcowboy.com 



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

> > 
> 
> seems to run fine on "macOS Sierra - 10.12.6"
> 
> miller: does it also run on "Mac OS X Lion - 10.7"?
> (or even "OS X Snow Leopard - 10.6"?)
> 
> gffxyd
> IOhannes

Nope - Wish 8.6.12 seems to depend on newer Mac features than are
on OSX 10.7.  

But I'm OK with continuing to compile for 10.7 on my old machine and
make it available to people like me :)

Meanwhile, the jack mystery is still unsolved as far as I know (the
brew version somehow doesn't like newest jackd?)

cheers
Miller





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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/12/21 18:35, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

OK, here's one that I believe has 64-bit Intel and arm64 architectures
compiled in - I compiled this remotely on a macOS 11.6.1 machine.  I
can't test it right now, but if any of you can grab and see I'd be grateful.
(this is from running Dan's script, "./tcltk-wish.sh -l --universal 8.6.12".)

This should be the same thing Dan tried that resulted in a "Damaged app"
message on his machine - I'm just hoping that running it on a totally
different machine will help for whatever reason :)


http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/Wish-8.6.12.app.tgz



seems to run fine on "macOS Sierra - 10.12.6"

miller: does it also run on "Mac OS X Lion - 10.7"?
(or even "OS X Snow Leopard - 10.6"?)

gffxyd
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/12/21 20:04, Dan Wilcox wrote:

Strangely, this build runs fine on my system...



i think it would be interesting to know what "your system" really means
(in terms of macOS version and architecture).

gfds
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/12/21 18:35, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

OK, here's one that I believe has 64-bit Intel and arm64 architectures
compiled in - I compiled this remotely on a macOS 11.6.1 machine.  I
can't test it right now, but if any of you can grab and see I'd be grateful.
(this is from running Dan's script, "./tcltk-wish.sh -l --universal 8.6.12".)

This should be the same thing Dan tried that resulted in a "Damaged app"
message on his machine - I'm just hoping that running it on a totally
different machine will help for whatever reason :)


http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/Wish-8.6.12.app.tgz




cool, i'll test asap.

vmdsd
IOhannes

PS: unfortunately, my *other* email (wthat also contains a link to 
universal amd64/arm64 Wish.app) was hovering in my mailbox until just 
now before i saw that you already managed to do the same...


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[William Brent]

This runs fine on my 64-bit Intel Mac running 11.6.1.


On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 12:37 PM Miller Puckette via Pd-list <
pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:

> OK, here's one that I believe has 64-bit Intel and arm64 architectures
> compiled in - I compiled this remotely on a macOS 11.6.1 machine.  I
> can't test it right now, but if any of you can grab and see I'd be
> grateful.
> (this is from running Dan's script, "./tcltk-wish.sh -l --universal
> 8.6.12".)
>
> This should be the same thing Dan tried that resulted in a "Damaged app"
> message on his machine - I'm just hoping that running it on a totally
> different machine will help for whatever reason :)
>
>
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/Wish-8.6.12.app.tgz
>
> thanks
> Miller
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > I depends on the version of Xcode and/or CLITools you have installed. It
> needs to be new enough to support -arch arm64.
> >
> > > On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Lucas Cordiviola 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The "--universal" switch didn't work on this VM: the compiler fails to
> build the test program at the beginning.
> > >
> > > Anyway I'm leaving this VM in peace as I don't want to screw it up. I
> only use it to build a couple of externals.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> > > On 12/11/2021 11:21 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > >> For a (modern) fat build:
> > >>
> > >> ./mac/tcltk-wish.sh --universal 8.6.12
> > >>
> > >> However make sure to try the generated Wish-8.6.12.app. I have no
> problems making a universal build, however the resulting Wish doesn't *run*
> and a generated Pd.app using it as a source would not run either. I think
> there is a problem with the Tk makefile "embedded" target which assembles
> the Wish.app.
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at  pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 1
> > >>> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:44:38 -0300
> > >>> From: Lucas Cordiviola  lucard...@hotmail.com>>
> > >>> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>,
> pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> > >>> Message-ID:
> > >>>   <
> ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
>  ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
> >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> > >>>
> > >>> On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > >>>> Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will
> probably
> > >>>> be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it
> first.
> > >>>> (It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running
> a
> > >>>> less ancient OS than 10.7
> > >>>
> > >>> I had run:
> > >>>
> > >>> ?? ?mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12
> > >>>
> > >>> on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.
> > >>>
> > >>> Here is the build (zipped) and the log:
> > >>>
> > >>> ?? ?
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nc.nubegris.com.ar_index.php_s_AMDde4EcqZzAZBn=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=UJA5fYiHXo3ZfvcFbO8fpm-wILYKgkq06xdT5N_9VrM=
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nc.nubegris.com.ar_index.php_s_AMDde4EcqZzAZBn=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=UJA5fYiHXo3ZfvcFbO8fpm-wILYKgkq06xdT5N_9VrM=
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> On theory it should work.
> > >>>
> > >>> :)
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >> Dan Wilcox
> > >> @danomatika <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_danomatika=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=cY26l8O39zpd5pFDeTEj2kdSs5LM66tusaFtLTEYGPI=
> >
> > >> danomatika.com <

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/11/21 06:44, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
(It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
less ancient OS than 10.7


I had run:

     mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12


this is of course the way how to (broken) Wish was produced on the CI, 
that ended up in building the broekn Pd.app




on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.


i was using macOS-10.14 in a similar setup (although for legal reasons 
it is running on actual Apple hardware!)




Here is the build (zipped) and the log:


i think here's a better one:


as the name suggests it is a universal binary (x86_64 + arm64)

a quick test shows that it is working on "Sierra" (macOS X 10.12.16), so 
i hope this is better than dan's luck with universal Tcl/Tk (it's not 
totally clear to me whether his "doesn't run" means: "doesn't run on any 
platform" or only "doesn't run on M1"



however i would like people who have access on othre platforms to test.
esp:
- macOS X 10.7 (miller :-))
- Monterey amd64
- Monterey x86_64

but really, any platform however old or new should do...

fmfgd
IOhannes


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Strangely, this build runs fine on my system...

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> OK, here's one that I believe has 64-bit Intel and arm64 architectures
> compiled in - I compiled this remotely on a macOS 11.6.1 machine.  I
> can't test it right now, but if any of you can grab and see I'd be grateful.
> (this is from running Dan's script, "./tcltk-wish.sh -l --universal 8.6.12".)
> 
> This should be the same thing Dan tried that resulted in a "Damaged app" 
> message on his machine - I'm just hoping that running it on a totally
> different machine will help for whatever reason :)
> 
> 
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/Wish-8.6.12.app.tgz 
> <http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/Wish-8.6.12.app.tgz>
> 
> thanks
> Miller
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> I depends on the version of Xcode and/or CLITools you have installed. It 
>> needs to be new enough to support -arch arm64.
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The "--universal" switch didn't work on this VM: the compiler fails to 
>>> build the test program at the beginning.
>>> 
>>> Anyway I'm leaving this VM in peace as I don't want to screw it up. I only 
>>> use it to build a couple of externals.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
>>> On 12/11/2021 11:21 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>>> For a (modern) fat build:
>>>> 
>>>> ./mac/tcltk-wish.sh --universal 8.6.12
>>>> 
>>>> However make sure to try the generated Wish-8.6.12.app. I have no problems 
>>>> making a universal build, however the resulting Wish doesn't *run* and a 
>>>> generated Pd.app using it as a source would not run either. I think there 
>>>> is a problem with the Tk makefile "embedded" target which assembles the 
>>>> Wish.app.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>>>> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> 
>>>>> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>>>> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:44:38 -0300
>>>>> From: Lucas Cordiviola >>>> <mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com> <mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>>>
>>>>> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu> 
>>>>> <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>>, pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>>>>> <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at><mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>>>>> <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>   
>>>>> >>>>  
>>>>> <mailto:ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com><mailto:ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
>>>>>  
>>>>> <mailto:ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
>>>>>> Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
>>>>>> be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
>>>>>> (It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
>>>>>> less ancient OS than 10.7
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had run:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?? ?mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12
>>>>> 
>>>>> on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is the build (zipped) and the log:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?? 
>>>>> ?https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nc.nubegris.com.ar_index.php_s_AMDde4EcqZzAZBn=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=UJA5fYiHXo3ZfvcFbO8fpm-wILYKgkq06xdT5N_9VrM=
>>>>>  
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nc.nubegris.com.ar_index.php_s_AMDde4EcqZzAZBn=DwIFA

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

OK, here's one that I believe has 64-bit Intel and arm64 architectures
compiled in - I compiled this remotely on a macOS 11.6.1 machine.  I
can't test it right now, but if any of you can grab and see I'd be grateful.
(this is from running Dan's script, "./tcltk-wish.sh -l --universal 8.6.12".)

This should be the same thing Dan tried that resulted in a "Damaged app" 
message on his machine - I'm just hoping that running it on a totally
different machine will help for whatever reason :)


http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/Wish-8.6.12.app.tgz

thanks
Miller


On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I depends on the version of Xcode and/or CLITools you have installed. It 
> needs to be new enough to support -arch arm64.
> 
> > On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
> > 
> > The "--universal" switch didn't work on this VM: the compiler fails to 
> > build the test program at the beginning.
> > 
> > Anyway I'm leaving this VM in peace as I don't want to screw it up. I only 
> > use it to build a couple of externals.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> > On 12/11/2021 11:21 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> >> For a (modern) fat build:
> >> 
> >> ./mac/tcltk-wish.sh --universal 8.6.12
> >> 
> >> However make sure to try the generated Wish-8.6.12.app. I have no problems 
> >> making a universal build, however the resulting Wish doesn't *run* and a 
> >> generated Pd.app using it as a source would not run either. I think there 
> >> is a problem with the Tk makefile "embedded" target which assembles the 
> >> Wish.app.
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
> >>> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:44:38 -0300
> >>> From: Lucas Cordiviola  >>> <mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>>
> >>> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>, 
> >>> pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>
> >>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>>   
> >>>  >>>  
> >>> <mailto:ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>>
> >>>   
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>> 
> >>> On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> >>>> Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
> >>>> be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
> >>>> (It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
> >>>> less ancient OS than 10.7
> >>> 
> >>> I had run:
> >>> 
> >>> ?? ?mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12
> >>> 
> >>> on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.
> >>> 
> >>> Here is the build (zipped) and the log:
> >>> 
> >>> ?? 
> >>> ?https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nc.nubegris.com.ar_index.php_s_AMDde4EcqZzAZBn=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=UJA5fYiHXo3ZfvcFbO8fpm-wILYKgkq06xdT5N_9VrM=
> >>>   
> >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nc.nubegris.com.ar_index.php_s_AMDde4EcqZzAZBn=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=UJA5fYiHXo3ZfvcFbO8fpm-wILYKgkq06xdT5N_9VrM=
> >>>  >
> >>> 
> >>> On theory it should work.
> >>> 
> >>> :)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dan Wilcox
> >> @danomatika 
> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_danomatika=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=cY26l8O39zpd5pFDeTEj2kdSs5LM66tusaFtLTEYGPI=
> >>  >
> >> danomatika.com 
> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__danomatika.com_=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pUDUnwMwtM1gQzGh5pRh4tr1grCOQtmE2YH_fRaqZWamfq1MdtU8DW1Rnd4_-N9H=3NxM-gsNTnCdJpIFEI7JUaluiwPCqqY9A-2hljwiqMc=
> >>  >
> >> robotcowboy.com 
> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__robot

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

I depends on the version of Xcode and/or CLITools you have installed. It needs 
to be new enough to support -arch arm64.

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
> 
> The "--universal" switch didn't work on this VM: the compiler fails to build 
> the test program at the beginning.
> 
> Anyway I'm leaving this VM in peace as I don't want to screw it up. I only 
> use it to build a couple of externals.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> On 12/11/2021 11:21 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> For a (modern) fat build:
>> 
>> ./mac/tcltk-wish.sh --universal 8.6.12
>> 
>> However make sure to try the generated Wish-8.6.12.app. I have no problems 
>> making a universal build, however the resulting Wish doesn't *run* and a 
>> generated Pd.app using it as a source would not run either. I think there is 
>> a problem with the Tk makefile "embedded" target which assembles the 
>> Wish.app.
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:44:38 -0300
>>> From: Lucas Cordiviola >> <mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>>
>>> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>, 
>>> pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 
>>> >>  
>>> <mailto:ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>>
>>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
>>>> Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
>>>> be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
>>>> (It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
>>>> less ancient OS than 10.7
>>> 
>>> I had run:
>>> 
>>> ?? ?mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12
>>> 
>>> on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.
>>> 
>>> Here is the build (zipped) and the log:
>>> 
>>> ?? ?https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/AMDde4EcqZzAZBn 
>>> <https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/AMDde4EcqZzAZBn>
>>> 
>>> On theory it should work.
>>> 
>>> :)
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
>> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/>
>> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/>
robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

The "--universal" switch didn't work on this VM: the compiler fails to 
build the test program at the beginning.


Anyway I'm leaving this VM in peace as I don't want to screw it up. I 
only use it to build a couple of externals.




--

Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.

On 12/11/2021 11:21 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:

For a (modern) fat build:

./mac/tcltk-wish.sh --universal 8.6.12

However make sure to try the generated Wish-8.6.12.app. I have no 
problems making a universal build, however the resulting Wish doesn't 
*run* and a generated Pd.app using it as a source would not run 
either. I think there is a problem with the Tk makefile "embedded" 
target which assembles the Wish.app.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:44:38 -0300
From: Lucas Cordiviola 
To: Miller Puckette ,pd-list@lists.iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
Message-ID:


Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
(It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
less ancient OS than 10.7


I had run:

?? ?mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12

on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.

Here is the build (zipped) and the log:

?? ?https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/AMDde4EcqZzAZBn

On theory it should work.

:)



Dan Wilcox
@danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
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robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

For a (modern) fat build:

./mac/tcltk-wish.sh --universal 8.6.12

However make sure to try the generated Wish-8.6.12.app. I have no problems 
making a universal build, however the resulting Wish doesn't *run* and a 
generated Pd.app using it as a source would not run either. I think there is a 
problem with the Tk makefile "embedded" target which assembles the Wish.app.

> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:44:38 -0300
> From: Lucas Cordiviola mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>>
> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>, 
> pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> Message-ID:
>   
>   
> <mailto:ds7pr10mb48457d61678049d87b569aeba6...@ds7pr10mb4845.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>>
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
>> Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
>> be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
>> (It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
>> less ancient OS than 10.7
> 
> I had run:
> 
> ?? ?mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12
> 
> on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.
> 
> Here is the build (zipped) and the log:
> 
> ?? ?https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/AMDde4EcqZzAZBn 
> <https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/AMDde4EcqZzAZBn>
> 
> On theory it should work.
> 
> :)


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

On 12/10/2021 11:58 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
(It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
less ancient OS than 10.7


I had run:

    mac/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12

on a VM [macOS 10.15.7] using QEMU on a Debian10 machine.

Here is the build (zipped) and the log:

    https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/AMDde4EcqZzAZBn

On theory it should work.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Looks like I can get a Mac running 10.13 this Monday, so will probably
be able to build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 then, unless someone else does it first.
(It's easy to do using Dan's scripts, all you need is a Mac running a
less ancient OS than 10.7 :)

Miller

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:23:24PM -0800, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 09:20:09PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > On 12/10/21 21:11, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > > Looks like I'm not going to be able to get 8.6.12 running on my MACOS 10.7
> > > machine (errors compiling the event-management code - exactly the stuff
> > > that it was so miserable to get running before)...  so considering the 
> > > "main"
> > > version of Pd should run OK on 10.10 and onward, I think it's OK to just 
> > > stick
> > > with the patched 8.6.10 for the 10.7-10.9 version.
> > > 
> > 
> > darn.
> > 
> > my secret plan to solve the problem with the CI-build not starting up, was
> > actually to just use the bundled Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 (from
> > mac/stuff/wish-shell.tgz).
> > in fact i was really hoping the pre-built Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 to be a fat binary (
> > provided e.g. by Dan :-P)
> > 
> > if a pre-build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 is not going to get into mac/stuff/ i'll need
> > to investigate into getting a life build working on the CI (again).
> > 
> > fmdfdsa
> > IOhannes
> 
> Alternatively, if someone can throw me a pre-built Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 I can just
> add it to "stuff" and leave the Tcl/Tk-8.6.10 version in there as well.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 09:20:09PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 12/10/21 21:11, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > Looks like I'm not going to be able to get 8.6.12 running on my MACOS 10.7
> > machine (errors compiling the event-management code - exactly the stuff
> > that it was so miserable to get running before)...  so considering the 
> > "main"
> > version of Pd should run OK on 10.10 and onward, I think it's OK to just 
> > stick
> > with the patched 8.6.10 for the 10.7-10.9 version.
> > 
> 
> darn.
> 
> my secret plan to solve the problem with the CI-build not starting up, was
> actually to just use the bundled Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 (from
> mac/stuff/wish-shell.tgz).
> in fact i was really hoping the pre-built Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 to be a fat binary (
> provided e.g. by Dan :-P)
> 
> if a pre-build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 is not going to get into mac/stuff/ i'll need
> to investigate into getting a life build working on the CI (again).
> 
> fmdfdsa
> IOhannes

Alternatively, if someone can throw me a pre-built Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 I can just
add it to "stuff" and leave the Tcl/Tk-8.6.10 version in there as well.




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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/10/21 21:11, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

Looks like I'm not going to be able to get 8.6.12 running on my MACOS 10.7
machine (errors compiling the event-management code - exactly the stuff
that it was so miserable to get running before)...  so considering the "main"
version of Pd should run OK on 10.10 and onward, I think it's OK to just stick
with the patched 8.6.10 for the 10.7-10.9 version.



darn.

my secret plan to solve the problem with the CI-build not starting up, 
was actually to just use the bundled Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 (from 
mac/stuff/wish-shell.tgz).
in fact i was really hoping the pre-built Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 to be a fat 
binary ( provided e.g. by Dan :-P)


if a pre-build Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 is not going to get into mac/stuff/ i'll 
need to investigate into getting a life build working on the CI (again).


fmdfdsa
IOhannes


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Looks like I'm not going to be able to get 8.6.12 running on my MACOS 10.7
machine (errors compiling the event-management code - exactly the stuff
that it was so miserable to get running before)...  so considering the "main"
version of Pd should run OK on 10.10 and onward, I think it's OK to just stick
with the patched 8.6.10 for the 10.7-10.9 version.

cheers
M

On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 09:04:22PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Yes, major reasons to move to Tk 8.6.12 on macOS, least of which is that it 
> already incorporates all the fixes the back ported patches address as well as 
> supports a couple of things added to macOS 12.
> 
> For a summary, see: 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pure-2Ddata_pure-2Ddata_pull_1414=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pnAlCUWZ5MzYYSykucuR5HOfc18ah9O_nmAOsb7LeslXPQGgKENZepMhJVbqppWl=L0gd4KUwAdCncnta1-XfFeR7TUL3zGQoc_m8yvN_gmQ=
>   
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pure-2Ddata_pure-2Ddata_pull_1414=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pnAlCUWZ5MzYYSykucuR5HOfc18ah9O_nmAOsb7LeslXPQGgKENZepMhJVbqppWl=L0gd4KUwAdCncnta1-XfFeR7TUL3zGQoc_m8yvN_gmQ=
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> 
> > On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:57 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 11:57:29 -0800
> > From: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> > To: Dan Wilcox mailto:danomat...@gmail.com>>
> > Cc: Pd-List mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce]  Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> > Message-ID: mailto:ybjfqery4pwer...@ucsd.edu>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > 
> > I might have something mislabeled, but I _think_ all the Pd builds I'm
> > making are indeed based on Wish-8.6.10, with these 4 patches:
> > 
> > tk8.6.10_helpmenu.patch
> > tk8.6.10_keyfix.patch
> > tk8.6.10_scrollbars.patch
> > tk8.6.10_zombiewindows.patch
> > 
> > OTOH, should I 'upgrade' to ish-8.6.12?  If there/s no reason to, I'd just
> > as soon keep things as they are.
> > 
> > cheers
> > M
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_danomatika=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=pnAlCUWZ5MzYYSykucuR5HOfc18ah9O_nmAOsb7LeslXPQGgKENZepMhJVbqppWl=Rbjkk3F-cMkAvAzGhmY6bVG-SevfyWDrbNVDkVIuCKE=
>  >
> danomatika.com 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

So combining from two branches of this same thread: Iohannes writes:

afaict the problem actually was that Pd doesn't launch at all.
(un)fortunately i am able to reproduce this on a Sierra machine:

(and then various trouble)... and from below, Dans' got Pd working with the
newest jack but not running multi-arch yet:

On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 08:45:25PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I use the "official" JACK distribution installer from <> and *not* JACK via 
> Homebrew. I believe I've mentioned this in one or two of the "JACK doesn't 
> work" threads on Github. My testing back then indicated that linking to JACK 
> from Homebrew would result in the usual dylib missing errors when running on 
> other systems and didn't result in a weaklink. Maybe this is something that 
> works in newer versions or requires some Homebrew install flag?

---

so I think what I'm doing now is waiting for Iohannes's CI build to solve _two_
problems, the not-running-on-Sierra and the weak-linking-to-jack-broken.  (Sorry
Iohannes)...

Meanwhile I think I can make myself useful doing these:

Dan's PR to get MIDI working in libpd
naming the released files coherently
upgrading the "macosx7" (sometimes typoed as "macos7", ouch) version to
incorporate Tcl/Tk 8.6.12

cheers
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Yes, major reasons to move to Tk 8.6.12 on macOS, least of which is that it 
already incorporates all the fixes the back ported patches address as well as 
supports a couple of things added to macOS 12.

For a summary, see: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1414 
<https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1414>

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:57 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 11:57:29 -0800
> From: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> To: Dan Wilcox mailto:danomat...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: Pd-List mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce]  Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> Message-ID: mailto:ybjfqery4pwer...@ucsd.edu>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I might have something mislabeled, but I _think_ all the Pd builds I'm
> making are indeed based on Wish-8.6.10, with these 4 patches:
> 
> tk8.6.10_helpmenu.patch
> tk8.6.10_keyfix.patch
> tk8.6.10_scrollbars.patch
> tk8.6.10_zombiewindows.patch
> 
> OTOH, should I 'upgrade' to ish-8.6.12?  If there/s no reason to, I'd just
> as soon keep things as they are.
> 
> cheers
> M


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

I might have something mislabeled, but I _think_ all the Pd builds I'm
making are indeed based on Wish-8.6.10, with these 4 patches:

tk8.6.10_helpmenu.patch
tk8.6.10_keyfix.patch
tk8.6.10_scrollbars.patch
tk8.6.10_zombiewindows.patch

OTOH, should I 'upgrade' to ish-8.6.12?  If there/s no reason to, I'd just
as soon keep things as they are.

cheers
M

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 10:52:56PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I think that's an old version. It looks like Tk 8.6.10 when it should be the 
> Tk 8.6.12 as you have in the 0.52-0test3 builds.
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> > 
> > Should be there now (on github; I presume that's where it would be
> > useful.)
> > 
> > cheers
> > M
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 05:29:11PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> >> Howdy Miller,
> >> 
> >> can you update mac/stuff.tgz with the latest Wish you've compiled? That's 
> >> need before the release so people self-compiling will get the right 
> >> version when using `make app`.
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> >>> newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
> >>> to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> >>> 
> >>> Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> >>> 
> >>> thanks
> >>> Miller
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dan Wilcox
> >> @danomatika 
> >>  >>  
> >> 
> >>  >
> >> danomatika.com 
> >>  >>  > 
> >>  >>  
> >> 
> >>  >
> >> robotcowboy.com 
> >>  >>  > 
> >>  >>  
> >> 
> >>  >
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
>   >
> danomatika.com 
>   >
> robotcowboy.com 
>   >
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

I use the "official" JACK distribution installer from 
https://jackaudio.org/downloads/ <https://jackaudio.org/downloads/> and *not* 
JACK via Homebrew. I believe I've mentioned this in one or two of the "JACK 
doesn't work" threads on Github. My testing back then indicated that linking to 
JACK from Homebrew would result in the usual dylib missing errors when running 
on other systems and didn't result in a weaklink. Maybe this is something that 
works in newer versions or requires some Homebrew install flag?

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 5:13 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 20:13:40 -0800
> From: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> To: William Brent mailto:william.br...@gmail.com>>, 
> Pd-List
>   mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> Message-ID: mailto:ybgcdhr8svzfh...@ucsd.edu>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Looking closer at Iohannes's CI output I saw:
> 
> Downloading https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/jack/manifests/1.9.19-2 
> <https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/jack/manifests/1.9.19-2>
> 
> ... this _looks_ like jack2 to me.  So there must be something more subtle
> happening than just the jack version Pd is linked to on the CI build.
> (This is the build that's labeled "compiled for Macintosh OS 10 or later",
> confusingly, as Alexandre has pointed out :)
> 
> M


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Drat... I'd better look again...

M

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 10:52:56PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I think that's an old version. It looks like Tk 8.6.10 when it should be the 
> Tk 8.6.12 as you have in the 0.52-0test3 builds.
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> > 
> > Should be there now (on github; I presume that's where it would be
> > useful.)
> > 
> > cheers
> > M
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 05:29:11PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> >> Howdy Miller,
> >> 
> >> can you update mac/stuff.tgz with the latest Wish you've compiled? That's 
> >> need before the release so people self-compiling will get the right 
> >> version when using `make app`.
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> >>> newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
> >>> to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> >>> 
> >>> Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> >>> 
> >>> thanks
> >>> Miller
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dan Wilcox
> >> @danomatika 
> >>  >>  
> >> 
> >>  >
> >> danomatika.com 
> >>  >>  > 
> >>  >>  
> >> 
> >>  >
> >> robotcowboy.com 
> >>  >>  > 
> >>  >>  
> >> 
> >>  >
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
>   >
> danomatika.com 
>   >
> robotcowboy.com 
>   >
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Looking closer at Iohannes's CI output I saw:

Downloading https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/jack/manifests/1.9.19-2

... this _looks_ like jack2 to me.  So there must be something more subtle
happening than just the jack version Pd is linked to on the CI build.
(This is the build that's labeled "compiled for Macintosh OS 10 or later",
confusingly, as Alexandre has pointed out :)

M

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 08:05:07PM -0800, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> Hmm, I see "-ljack" in the command line in the CI output... so I guess
> what version of jack it links to depends on what is installed on the machine
> the CI process runs on?
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 04:55:39PM -0500, William Brent wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for all the action on this. I've tried two Pd 0.52-0 test3
> > versions downloaded today from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
> > 
> >- "compiled for Macintosh OS 10 or later"
> >- "64-bit Macintosh version for OSX 10.7 or later"
> > 
> > Both of these fail to recognize when I have the latest version of JACK
> > running and tell me that they can't open JACK. Dan's latest single-arch
> > build successfully recognizes the latest JACK and opens just fine on my
> > x86_64 Mac under Big Sur.
> > 
> > I'm happy to do any testing needed to help out here, so just let me know.
> > William
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 2:02 PM Miller Puckette  wrote:
> > 
> > > Oops, perhaps this whole thing was a false alarm on my end...
> > >
> > > William - is it still the case that the Mac version on the website is
> > > failing to connect with the current version of jack?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > M
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 07:55:03PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > > > On 12/8/21 16:54, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > > > > I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with 
> > > > > the
> > > > > newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall
> > > back
> > > > > to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > actually, the CI already does this...
> > > >
> > > > the relevant change to the CI configuration is here:
> > > > <
> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pure-2Ddata_pure-2Ddata-2Dci_commit_0ef09a0bbfe46eea481715ceb09683947a604623=DwIFaQ=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=wFwYsyJQRiFd0mFeiCHlLDd4wrACgeX5kz7p5whpOCQsRKdQ0-CMs8RBDtsTwxHv=cAegjjs61n3qOyj47m4KBq-QMztZGXHUiCtuk3w8bAk=
> > >  
> > > >
> > > > (it has since been superseded, but in the core it remains the same)
> > > >
> > > > the current build logs show that the CI indeed only links against 
> > > > libjack
> > > > (and not against the framework):
> > > >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Hmm, I see "-ljack" in the command line in the CI output... so I guess
what version of jack it links to depends on what is installed on the machine
the CI process runs on?

cheers
Miller

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 04:55:39PM -0500, William Brent wrote:
> Thanks everyone for all the action on this. I've tried two Pd 0.52-0 test3
> versions downloaded today from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
> 
>- "compiled for Macintosh OS 10 or later"
>- "64-bit Macintosh version for OSX 10.7 or later"
> 
> Both of these fail to recognize when I have the latest version of JACK
> running and tell me that they can't open JACK. Dan's latest single-arch
> build successfully recognizes the latest JACK and opens just fine on my
> x86_64 Mac under Big Sur.
> 
> I'm happy to do any testing needed to help out here, so just let me know.
> William
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 2:02 PM Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> > Oops, perhaps this whole thing was a false alarm on my end...
> >
> > William - is it still the case that the Mac version on the website is
> > failing to connect with the current version of jack?
> >
> > thanks
> > M
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 07:55:03PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > > On 12/8/21 16:54, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > > > I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> > > > newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall
> > back
> > > > to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> > > >
> > > > Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> > >
> > >
> > > actually, the CI already does this...
> > >
> > > the relevant change to the CI configuration is here:
> > > <
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pure-2Ddata_pure-2Ddata-2Dci_commit_0ef09a0bbfe46eea481715ceb09683947a604623=DwIFaQ=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=wFwYsyJQRiFd0mFeiCHlLDd4wrACgeX5kz7p5whpOCQsRKdQ0-CMs8RBDtsTwxHv=cAegjjs61n3qOyj47m4KBq-QMztZGXHUiCtuk3w8bAk=
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> > > (it has since been superseded, but in the core it remains the same)
> > >
> > > the current build logs show that the CI indeed only links against libjack
> > > (and not against the framework):
> > >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[William Brent]

Thanks everyone for all the action on this. I've tried two Pd 0.52-0 test3
versions downloaded today from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

   - "compiled for Macintosh OS 10 or later"
   - "64-bit Macintosh version for OSX 10.7 or later"

Both of these fail to recognize when I have the latest version of JACK
running and tell me that they can't open JACK. Dan's latest single-arch
build successfully recognizes the latest JACK and opens just fine on my
x86_64 Mac under Big Sur.

I'm happy to do any testing needed to help out here, so just let me know.
William




On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 2:02 PM Miller Puckette  wrote:

> Oops, perhaps this whole thing was a false alarm on my end...
>
> William - is it still the case that the Mac version on the website is
> failing to connect with the current version of jack?
>
> thanks
> M
>
> On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 07:55:03PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > On 12/8/21 16:54, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > > I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> > > newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall
> back
> > > to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> > >
> > > Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> >
> >
> > actually, the CI already does this...
> >
> > the relevant change to the CI configuration is here:
> > <
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data-ci/commit/0ef09a0bbfe46eea481715ceb09683947a604623
> >
> > (it has since been superseded, but in the core it remains the same)
> >
> > the current build logs show that the CI indeed only links against libjack
> > (and not against the framework):
> >
> > https://git.iem.at/pd/pure-data/-/jobs/33678#L2432
> >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

I think that's an old version. It looks like Tk 8.6.10 when it should be the Tk 
8.6.12 as you have in the 0.52-0test3 builds.

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> Should be there now (on github; I presume that's where it would be
> useful.)
> 
> cheers
> M
> 
> On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 05:29:11PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> Howdy Miller,
>> 
>> can you update mac/stuff.tgz with the latest Wish you've compiled? That's 
>> need before the release so people self-compiling will get the right version 
>> when using `make app`.
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
>>> newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
>>> to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
>>> 
>>> Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> Miller
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika 
>> >  
>> 
>>  >
>> danomatika.com  
>> >  
>> 
>>  >
>> robotcowboy.com  
>> >  
>> 
>>  >


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/8/21 20:02, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

Oops, perhaps this whole thing was a false alarm on my end...

William - is it still the case that the Mac version on the website is
failing to connect with the current version of jack?



afaict the problem actually was that Pd doesn't launch at all.
(un)fortunately i am able to reproduce this on a Sierra machine:

~~~sh
$ open Pd-0.52-0test3.app
LSOpenURLsWithRole() failed with error -10810 for the file 
.../Pd-0.52-0test3.app.

$
~~~

and furthermore:
~~~sh
$ cd Pd-0.52-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/
$ ./pd
dyld: Symbol not found: __objc_empty_cache
  Referenced from: 
/Users/vagrant/Desktop/Pd-0.52-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/../../MacOS/../Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.6/Tk
  Expected in: 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
 in 
/Users/vagrant/Desktop/Pd-0.52-0test3.app/Contents/Resources/bin/../../MacOS/../Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.6/Tk

$
~~~


i do remember fighting with this two weeks ago.
now i only have to remember whether i found a solution (and which one).

mxyc
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Oops, perhaps this whole thing was a false alarm on my end...

William - is it still the case that the Mac version on the website is
failing to connect with the current version of jack?

thanks
M

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 07:55:03PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 12/8/21 16:54, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:
> > I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> > newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
> > to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> > 
> > Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> 
> 
> actually, the CI already does this...
> 
> the relevant change to the CI configuration is here:
> 
> (it has since been superseded, but in the core it remains the same)
> 
> the current build logs show that the CI indeed only links against libjack
> (and not against the framework):
> 
> https://git.iem.at/pd/pure-data/-/jobs/33678#L2432
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/8/21 17:48, Dan Wilcox wrote:

As far as I can't tell right now, building a universal Tcl/Tk Wish.app succeeds 
but the resulting app bundle is not runnable. If I build as single arch, it 
runs ok, so the fault lies there.


interesting observation.
unfortunately the CI produced binaries already use single-arch Tcl/Tk 
(Wish.app is rebuild, but without "--universal").


i'll try to investigate.
(and was about to suggest that we should include a multi-arch version of 
Tcl/Tk in mac/stuff/ before reading your observation)


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 12/8/21 16:54, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:

I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)

Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?



actually, the CI already does this...

the relevant change to the CI configuration is here:

(it has since been superseded, but in the core it remains the same)

the current build logs show that the CI indeed only links against 
libjack (and not against the framework):


https://git.iem.at/pd/pure-data/-/jobs/33678#L2432


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

Should be there now (on github; I presume that's where it would be
useful.)

cheers
M

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 05:29:11PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Howdy Miller,
> 
> can you update mac/stuff.tgz with the latest Wish you've compiled? That's 
> need before the release so people self-compiling will get the right version 
> when using `make app`.
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> > 
> > I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> > newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
> > to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> > 
> > Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> > 
> > thanks
> > Miller
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Howdy all,

For expediency, here are separate single-arch builds:

Pd-0.52-0test3-arm64-jack.zip 


Pd-0.52-0test3-x86_64-jack.zip 


Both are using the 0.52-test3 tag and linked to the newer JACK lib.

Here are the build steps for those who want to "follow along at home" on a 
newer system with Xcode 13 (or CLTools) and JACK installed:

./configure --disable-jack-framework --enable-jack --enable-universal=arm64
make
mac/tcltk-wish.sh --arch arm64 8.6.12
mv Wish-8.6.12.app Wish-8.6.12-arm64.app
mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12-arm64.app 0.52-0test3-arm64-jack
make clean
./configure --disable-jack-framework --enable-jack --enable-universal=x86_64
make
mac/tcltk-wish.sh --arch x86_64 8.6.12
mv Wish-8.6.12.app Wish-8.6.12-x86_64.app
mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12-x86_64.app 0.52-0test3-x86_64-jack

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:48 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> As far as I can't tell right now, building a universal Tcl/Tk Wish.app 
> succeeds but the resulting app bundle is not runnable. If I build as single 
> arch, it runs ok, so the fault lies there.
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Dan Wilcox > > wrote:
>> 
>> I tried making an updated universal build with JACK but the resulting bundle 
>> doesn't run even on my own machine, so something is wrong with the build or 
>> the script which assembles the Pd .app. I will look at this.
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

As far as I can't tell right now, building a universal Tcl/Tk Wish.app succeeds 
but the resulting app bundle is not runnable. If I build as single arch, it 
runs ok, so the fault lies there.

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> I tried making an updated universal build with JACK but the resulting bundle 
> doesn't run even on my own machine, so something is wrong with the build or 
> the script which assembles the Pd .app. I will look at this.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Howdy Miller,

can you update mac/stuff.tgz with the latest Wish you've compiled? That's need 
before the release so people self-compiling will get the right version when 
using `make app`.

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
> newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
> to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)
> 
> Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?
> 
> thanks
> Miller


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

I think it would be sensible to build the "official" Pd binary with the
newest JACK - I think anyone running the older JACK can probably fall back
to the "macosx7" compile that I can still compile :)

Iohannes - is this an easy thing for you to change in the CI sys?

thanks
Miller

On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 04:48:00PM +0100, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> A "damaged" app bundle usually indicates something is missing or misnamed 
> internally. It can also indicate a signing error.
> 
> I tried making an updated universal build with JACK but the resulting bundle 
> doesn't run even on my own machine, so something is wrong with the build or 
> the script which assembles the Pd .app. I will look at this.
> 
> Also, in my opinion and I know I've suggested this before, builds for newer 
> systems should be linked to the newer version of JACK buy default ala:
> 
> ./configure --disable-jack-framework --enable-jack
> 
> This requires having the JACK distribution pre-compiled libs installed.
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 3:16 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 09:15:10 -0500
> > From: William Brent  > <mailto:william.br...@gmail.com>>
> > To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> > Cc: pd-annou...@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-annou...@lists.iem.at>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce]   Pd version 0.52-0test3 released
> > Message-ID:
> >  > <mailto:CAGukSDNWgFb7S0apD=XTLGOnrTWNTG_8njB0phNq=cqlyn9...@mail.gmail.com>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > Unfortunately, that build is showing up as "damaged" for my students on Mac
> > OS Mojave and Big Sur, only offering the option of moving it to the trash
> > (see the attached screenshot). Even the usual route of doing a
> > right-click/open on the app leads to the same message, and in the Mac OS
> > security preferences it never offers the option to approve opening the app.
> > I can get them to successfully launch it from the command line by having
> > them navigate to the pd binary in the app bundle though. Or of course, just
> > build from source themselves. Not sure how important this is to others but
> > I'm doing a lot of work with JACK in my classes and nearly all of my
> > students are on Mac OS.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 7:40 PM Miller Puckette  > <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
> > 
> >> Dan Wilcox has a build againset the new Jack:
> >> 
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__docs.danomatika.com_pdbuilds_0.52_Pd-2D0.52-2D0-2Duniversal-2Djack.zip=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=2hemQHRQfjbCsughWsFIC5EBZ4nVjvjEVuJZX0ff6pu0n08NrImpQK4A4EHxLdNs=UmZ7eRZEVxt-DzmPB21J_qjoTuP5TH1qJaUkt7CcTCI=
> >>   
> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__docs.danomatika.com_pdbuilds_0.52_Pd-2D0.52-2D0-2Duniversal-2Djack.zip=DwIFAg=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q=2hemQHRQfjbCsughWsFIC5EBZ4nVjvjEVuJZX0ff6pu0n08NrImpQK4A4EHxLdNs=UmZ7eRZEVxt-DzmPB21J_qjoTuP5TH1qJaUkt7CcTCI=
> >>  >
> >> 
> >> (I think I need to include that in the (growing) list of compiled versions
> >> on my site, hmm...)
> >> 
> >> cheers
> >> Miller
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Dan Wilcox]

A "damaged" app bundle usually indicates something is missing or misnamed 
internally. It can also indicate a signing error.

I tried making an updated universal build with JACK but the resulting bundle 
doesn't run even on my own machine, so something is wrong with the build or the 
script which assembles the Pd .app. I will look at this.

Also, in my opinion and I know I've suggested this before, builds for newer 
systems should be linked to the newer version of JACK buy default ala:

./configure --disable-jack-framework --enable-jack

This requires having the JACK distribution pre-compiled libs installed.

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 3:16 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
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> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 09:15:10 -0500
> From: William Brent mailto:william.br...@gmail.com>>
> To: Miller Puckette mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> Cc: pd-annou...@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-annou...@lists.iem.at>
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> Unfortunately, that build is showing up as "damaged" for my students on Mac
> OS Mojave and Big Sur, only offering the option of moving it to the trash
> (see the attached screenshot). Even the usual route of doing a
> right-click/open on the app leads to the same message, and in the Mac OS
> security preferences it never offers the option to approve opening the app.
> I can get them to successfully launch it from the command line by having
> them navigate to the pd binary in the app bundle though. Or of course, just
> build from source themselves. Not sure how important this is to others but
> I'm doing a lot of work with JACK in my classes and nearly all of my
> students are on Mac OS.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 7:40 PM Miller Puckette  <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
> 
>> Dan Wilcox has a build againset the new Jack:
>> 
>> http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.52/Pd-0.52-0-universal-jack.zip 
>> <http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.52/Pd-0.52-0-universal-jack.zip>
>> 
>> (I think I need to include that in the (growing) list of compiled versions
>> on my site, hmm...)
>> 
>> cheers
>> Miller


Dan Wilcox
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[William Brent]

Unfortunately, that build is showing up as "damaged" for my students on Mac
OS Mojave and Big Sur, only offering the option of moving it to the trash
(see the attached screenshot). Even the usual route of doing a
right-click/open on the app leads to the same message, and in the Mac OS
security preferences it never offers the option to approve opening the app.
I can get them to successfully launch it from the command line by having
them navigate to the pd binary in the app bundle though. Or of course, just
build from source themselves. Not sure how important this is to others but
I'm doing a lot of work with JACK in my classes and nearly all of my
students are on Mac OS.


On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 7:40 PM Miller Puckette  wrote:

> Dan Wilcox has a build againset the new Jack:
>
> http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.52/Pd-0.52-0-universal-jack.zip
>
> (I think I need to include that in the (growing) list of compiled versions
> on my site, hmm...)
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Mon, Dec 06, 2021 at 04:31:32PM -0500, William Brent wrote:
> > Very glad to be getting closer to 0.52-0! Once you're out of testing,
> will
> > the final Mac OS version be compiled against the latest JACK 1.9.19?
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:44 AM Miller Puckette via Pd-announce <
> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
> >
> > > To Pd announce:
> > >
> > > Pd 0.52-0 test3 is out on the usual site:
> > >
> > > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> > >
> > > or (source only) on github:
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[PD] [PD-announce] Pd version 0.52-0test3 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-announce]

To Pd announce:

Pd 0.52-0 test3 is out on the usual site:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm

or (source only) on github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data

cheers
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