Re: I need a picture of the Z-1p grip

2002-05-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk

on 05.05.02 2:11, Bojidar Dimitrov at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...for the KMP.
 
 Thanks a lot,
 Boz
I have found one on BH Photo site, but it is stamped with their logo :-(

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RE: May PUG - what was I thinking of!

2002-05-06 Thread Malcolm Smith

 Kevin Waterson wrote:


 What I really like it the net. I think if the net _and_ the boy
 were in focus this may produce a very dynamic result. I did some
 quick and nasty editting and put the result at
 http://www.oceania.net/kevin/new.jpg
 to me, this is the type of result I would like to get for my teams
 individual photos.


Wendy,

Kevin has done a great job with your photo. But the creativity was there at
the time, a great composition. As a former school goalkeeper, it sums up the
moment for me. Nice work.

Kevin,

Thanks for a different slant on this.

Malcolm
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Re: 300mm f4 screwmount lens- value?

2002-05-06 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo

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 Here are some photos of a SMC Takumar 1:4/300 with tripod mount.

Hey -- great!  That's clearly the same lens I've got, so now I just
have to track down a sample of that tripod mount!  Wish me luck!  :-)

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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Shel wrote:


Oh, the M400/5.6 and the A400/5.6 as well.  So that's a total of five
that I can remember.


And the FA* 400/5.6 ED IF. This one gives you ED glass and the inner 
focusing helps manual focusing.


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RE: I need a picture of the Z-1p grip

2002-05-06 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal

The picture at BH isn't very nice and clear so may not be that useable.
And for whatever its worth, I tried removing their logo. If its not a
violation of copyright etc. then the jpg attached may be used.

Gaurav

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 Subject: Re: I need a picture of the Z-1p grip
 
 
 on 05.05.02 2:11, Bojidar Dimitrov at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ...for the KMP.
  
  Thanks a lot,
  Boz
 I have found one on BH Photo site, but it is stamped with their logo :-(
 
 -- 
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RE: MZ-S (WAS: how good)

2002-05-06 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Ron wrote:


But I don't understand how the *flash sync* shutter speed can influence
battery usage.


Because both the flash synch and max shutter speed is related to how fast 
the shutter travels. Faster travelling shutter = faster max speed and flash 
synch. Cocking a fast shutter needs more energy.

Pål
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Re: May PUG - my comments

2002-05-06 Thread JGeoffreyStevens

Fragile Fern - Geoffrey Stevens
Nice colours, lovely and sharp. I can see why taking the dog is optional.
They either pull your arm off when you're trying to frame a shot, trample
the undergrowth or stick their wet nose on your lens. (mine does the latter)

Wendy,

Thank you for your kind comments.  I agree, it's either the dog or the 
camera.

Geoff
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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi;
 I have the opportunity to purchase the above named lens. One
 thing that bothers me is the lack of a tripod mount. If any
 owners of the lens would care to comment on the qualities of
it,
 and whether the lack of a tripod socket is a fatal flaw, I
would
 be interested in your responses.

Hi Bill,

I think that the lack of tripod mount is not a problem, but I
use the lens mostly handheld. I was a bit scared to mount the
cameras on the tripod with all that weight protruding out, but
in real life there is no problem even with the MZ series
cameras.
Optically the 300/4 is very sharp and the huge weight helps to
balance the vibrations. The focusing is quite easy, maybe a bit
slow, but it's very precise. I often use the 1,4x S converter
with it and the results are pleasing (I don't know how the combo
compares to a true 400/5.6, though).
The only (minor for me, but it can be annoying) real fault is
the minimum focusing distance: 4 meters.
A quick note about the price: I paid for mine US$ 282; it seemed
to me a fair price at that time (a couple of years ago).

Hope this helps.

Gianfranco


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Re: May PUG - what was I thinking of!

2002-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist

You're being too hard on yourself. I found the shot quite interesting.
You managed to get a suggestion of net in the foreground, and a clear
image of the player in the background. It's tough to get just the right
depth of field for this kind of shot. 
Paul

wendy beard wrote:
 
 Exactly that. What WAS I thinking of.
 I am incredibly embarassed and ashamed of the quality of the image I
 submitted for this month's PUG.
 http://pug.komkon.org/02may/penalty.html
 So much so, that I am even drawing attention to the fact that it's rubbish
 as a penance so I won't do it again.
 I really struggled with the scan (it doesn't look like I even tried) and
 even though I wasn't happy with it, I submitted it.
 I shouldn't have.
 My apologies.
 
 Guess what I bought yesterday. A film scanner. One down side to this, I
 can't blame my sloppiness on the scanner any more.
 The results?
 http://www.beard-redfern.com/footy1.html (second photo)
 Scan's better, but the photo's still rubbish!
 
 I'll try harder for the next PUG.
 Wendy
 
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 Ottawa, Canada
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KINOPTIK 75MM

2002-05-06 Thread Frankie Lee

Anyone know this lens?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1350548709

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Re: Telescopes instead of super telephotos? (WAS: Pentax-A* 1200/8 ED IF)

2002-05-06 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Now this one look pretty expensive!


http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/sougan/big/p250sd.jpg
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Re: Bellows Question...

2002-05-06 Thread Rfsindg

Nick,

I can't say about the Bellows A vs M differences because I believe they both 
do the following trick for aperture coupling...

With the Bellows A, you focus with the lens wide open.  When you go to shoot 
the picture, you fire the camera via a 'double' cable release.  The release 
has two cable lines.  One attaches to the lens end of the bellows and pushes 
the stop-down lever on the lens.  The other attaches to the camera's shutter 
release and fires the shutter.  

Now here is the trick.  The 'double' cable release is about 1/2 inch longer 
on the lens side, so as you depress the plunger the sequence becomes -- lens 
stops down, then shutter button is depressed.  The regular aperture coupling 
isn't 'preserved', but you are always shooting 'at aperture' (stopped down) 
with the lens so exposure is correct.

It seems to me, you could do this with the M bellows with a 'double' cable 
release.

Regards,  Bob S.

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 I know that with certain bellows attachments you lose aperture coupling and
 have to figure out exposure manually accounting for the loss of light to the
 bellows. But is there a bellows that allows aperture coupling? Is that what
 the Bellows A that I recently saw advertised is? If it is not, what is the
 difference between Bellows A and M? Thanks you. 
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Re: May PUG

2002-05-06 Thread Pentxuser

Thanks for your kind words. In photoshop I used the watercolour tool. In 
painter I used a soft cloner along with a few others I can't even remember... 
I think they were the fine marker tool and maybe some paintbrush

In a message dated 5/5/02 7:13:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Painted Fox by Vic MacBournie
Great effect. What filters etc did you use in Photoshop to get those
effects?
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Re: Re: Slight OT:My IR report

2002-05-06 Thread David Brooks

Hello Maciej.Glad i can help once in a while.I was very 
nervous about the first roll,even though a number
of people gave advice on the relative ease of shooting.
I followed the 1/125 f 11 in strong light and all
looked well.I also made sure i loaded and unloaded 
in COMPLETE darkness.I have several shots with strong black
skys and very white pine needles,looks cool.
As far as film the main stores here carry Kodak and will
order Ilford.As far as Konica goes maybe Aaron can answer
that.
I have bought some more Kodak and hope to shoot some this
weekend at the Toronto PDML gettogether.Hope to 
scan a few and post soon.

Dave


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From: Maciej Marchlewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:44:53 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Slight OT:My IR report


- Original Message -
 From: David Brooks

 Well finally had the 1st roll of IR film shot
 and developed(1st since i was a sprout)and the
 proofs printed today.Just thought i'd share a
 quick review.

Thanks Dave! Your summury encourages me to give IR a try. I seems 
less scary
now.
It seems that as soon as a nice weather is back I could give it a 
try. too.
The leaves are already green and the sun seems to shine strongly 
enough. I'm
probably getting the Kodak stuff as from what I've learned from the 
net,
Ilford is not that IR sensitive as I wished and there are troubles 
getting
Konica's film in here.
The salesperson told me that Konica's IR750 film went out of 
production. Do
any of you now anything about that? Is that really so or should I try 
to get
it from Germany?

Maciej
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Re: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

2002-05-06 Thread David Brooks

My wife does not want me in the bathroom upstairs
but to use the 'spare' room down stairs which is 
about the same temp.as yours and damp in the summer,
so a dehumidifier runs almost constaint.
If i use the downstairs room it might be advisable
then to run a warm 'bath' in a tub and take it down
to the room a little hotter and moniter during,and
keep a bottle of warmer water near by to 'top up' the 
bath??

Dave

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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:17:34 +
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing


My darkroom is in my basement, and at this time of year the 
temperature
is about 62• F. I find that if I start at 68•, the temp will drop to
about 66• after eight mminutes or so. So I start at 69• and finish at
67•. I think ambient temp has a lot more to do with changes in 
developer
temp than does any chemical reaction. How warm is your darkroom?
Paul

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 I'm not certain that I can make this statement unequivocal, so note 
the
 qualifiers g
 
 It seems that the developer temperature creeps up a bit during the
 course of the process. I sometimes measure the temp at intervals 
during
 the processing, and, IIRC, not having made any notes, every time 
I've
 measured the temperature it's a bit higher at the end of the process
 than at the beginning. While handling the tank may contribute some 
to
 this, I wonder how much heat the chemical process puts out, and if 
that
 could be a factor in the upward temperature creep? OTOH, I am very
 careful about handling the tank, and do so only minimally and at the
 edges or by the securing ring around the cap.  I also wonder if a 
water
 bath would mitigate the increase.
 
 Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
  Yes.  Here I'm talking about temperature dropping over the course 
of the
  fixing, or cooling slightly as it sits.  I am not talking about 
radical
  changes in temperature.
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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread wendy beard

At 00:24 6-5-2002 -0400, Cesar wrote:

 As an owner of an A* 300/4 I can only comment that I have always 
 used the
lens without a tripod.  I usually use it for sports photography - football,
soccer, rugby.  I have been very pleased with the ease of handheld usage.
People at the photo lab have always commented favorably on the sharpness of
the images.

Cesar

While we're talking about 300 f4 s of various incarnations, I took my 
M*300/4 out for a jaunt yesterday. Despite its small size it still feels a 
bit wobbly to hand-hold. That could have been more me though. In order to 
get a high shutter speed I was using it almost wide open and the focusing 
was a little difficult. Just having 200asa in the camera didn't help me 
either. It was an unexpected encounter with a little red squirrel after I'd 
effectively packed up for the day.
Earlier in the day I'd nearly given myself a heart attack. Coming 
downstairs I dropped the lens. It landed big end down. Snatched it up and 
whisked off the lens cap. Horror! a chip in the glass. I nearly cried. Even 
worse, the glass was loose!
Slow realisation kicked in. It was the UV filter. Relief all round! There's 
something to be said for filters after all. Time to order a new one.

Wendy

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Re: Pentax SMC 135/2.5K vs. Vivitar Series One 135/2.3K: Color

2002-05-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Chris Brogden wrote:
If one set of prints is much less rich in colour, I'd attribute that more 
to the printing or the exposure/lighting than to the lens itself.

Chris,

On this roll of film, five or six different lenses had been used, including both 135s. 
The Vivitar's colors were clearly more muted than the SMC's, and this is the second 
roll of film on which I found this to be true. The film was Fuji Superia Xtra 800.

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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread Stephen Moore

William Robb wrote:

 I have the opportunity to purchase the above named lens. One
 thing that bothers me is the lack of a tripod mount. If any
 owners of the lens would care to comment on the qualities of it,
 and whether the lack of a tripod socket is a fatal flaw, I would
 be interested in your responses.

I have the M* version and am very pleased with it. For me it's
an easy hand-hold, and it's about the shortest lens I can use
for casual wildlife (ducklings, swans, squirrels, birds, etc.)
at the local parks. Also use it for pan shots at sportscar races,
mostly with my K1000 or the LX w/o the winder; the LX/winder
combo is definitely heavy for that sort of thing. It's definitely
very crisp and sharp, with nice bokeh.

Like others, tripod use makes me uneasy because of all that
weight hanging off the lens mount, but no actual problems
so far...

Stephen
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RE: May PUG - my comments

2002-05-06 Thread Mick Maguire

Wendy Beard wrote:


Regards,
/\/\ick... 
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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Rikenon 300/4.5 has a tripod collar, but it's small. It may be strong enough, but 
it's not beefy like the Pentax 300/4.5F's. 

The Sigma 300/4 APO Macro AF has a strong collar, but I don't think Shel would like 
its light focusing, which goes from infinity to 1:3 in 90 degrees. Its predecessor, 
the 300/4 APO (not macro), was made in manual focus and came with a decent collar. But 
I don't think Shel would like its construction, and optically it's not on par with the 
fine APO Macro.

All the 300/2.8s have nice collars, but I got the impression Shel is looking for 
something more affordable.

Various M42 300/4s have collars, but the Russian ones will not be optically great and 
the East German ones may have been designed for 6x6 and adapted to M42, without 
benefit of an auto switch. Of these, the nicest and most expensive is the Carl Zeiss 
Jena 300/4 Auto Electric MC (86mm filter!), which I believe does offer an Auto switch, 
as its name implies. I have an Austrian source that's selling it new, or perhaps 
reconditioned with warranty, for about $375.

The Pentax 200/4 Macro collar will fit the 300/4.5 FA. I don't know how easily one 
could obtain it, or what it would cost
I wish someone could find out which of the Canon EOS aftermarket tripod collars could 
be used on which Pentax 300/4s and 300 4.5s. -- Paul Stregevsky

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 I'm on the lookout now for a high-quality 300mm/400mm with a good, 
 strong tripod collar. 

Alan Chan replied:  
Unless you consider third party lenses, F*300/4.5 is the only option. 

Shel replied:
I don't think that's correct. 



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RE: May PUG - my comments

2002-05-06 Thread Mick Maguire

Wendy Beard wrote:

Just how long does it take - Mick Maguire
Very Elliot Erwitt. This one ties for joint favourite with annsan.
Reminds me of my other dog...

Thanks Wendy, I'm flattered! This was my first entry to the PUG that I had
taken from negative through to print all by my own fair hands.

Regards,
/\/\ick...
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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread gfen

On Mon, 6 May 2002, wendy beard wrote:
 Earlier in the day I'd nearly given myself a heart attack. Coming
 downstairs I dropped the lens. It landed big end down. Snatched it up and
 whisked off the lens cap. Horror! a chip in the glass. I nearly cried. Even
 worse, the glass was loose!

I planted the front end of my A50 f1.4 into the ground yesterday when I
slipped down an embankment. I gave up filters for protection, preferring
instead to stick to lens hoods.

If I hadn't finally replaced the rubber hood with a metal one that
morning, I'd have one less lens. I went on to nearly drop it in the stream
a few times, and having the tripod nearly slip into the stream as well,
that day. I guess no filter or hood would've protected it that well, but
hey, I figured it was time I show my camera a little abuse for once. :)

(I could go on about all the fabulous opportunities I missed in NYC this
weekend, but it'd just depress me)

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Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night)

2002-05-06 Thread Stephen Moore

Arrived Friday from BH, along with an BG-10.
The not-inconsiderable manual has been at the
top of the bathroom-reading pile all weekend.

Basically, I'm thrilled. The build quality and
overall heft/feel are impressive. So far the
control logic and layout shout Pentax! i.e., 
what you really need, where you need it. Played
with the trap-focus feature, which I think is
going to serve me well at the racetrack this
summer. 

It's my first AF body, so I can't nitpick it
in comparison to, say, the PZ1-P. I'm sure there'll 
be minor annoyances that pop up as I learn the beastie,
but no camera's perfect. For now I'm impressed. I think 
by tonight I'll be ready go out and actually burn some 
film with it. (Then it'll be time to start agonizing over
my first AF lens...)

Thanks to everyone who helped out with my AF questions
a few weeks back.

Regards,
Stephen

P.S. Peter, compared to my LX (ka-chunk, whirr), 
I *like* the hamster-sneeze shutter!

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RE: Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night)

2002-05-06 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

Good for you. As soon as I rob a bank I'll also get it (or wouldn't it be
easier to rob a camera store? ;)
Lukasz

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Subject: Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night)


Arrived Friday from BH, along with an BG-10.
The not-inconsiderable manual has been at the
top of the bathroom-reading pile all weekend.

Basically, I'm thrilled. The build quality and
overall heft/feel are impressive. So far the
control logic and layout shout Pentax! i.e.,
what you really need, where you need it. Played
with the trap-focus feature, which I think is
going to serve me well at the racetrack this
summer.

It's my first AF body, so I can't nitpick it
in comparison to, say, the PZ1-P. I'm sure there'll
be minor annoyances that pop up as I learn the beastie,
but no camera's perfect. For now I'm impressed. I think
by tonight I'll be ready go out and actually burn some
film with it. (Then it'll be time to start agonizing over
my first AF lens...)

Thanks to everyone who helped out with my AF questions
a few weeks back.

Regards,
Stephen

P.S. Peter, compared to my LX (ka-chunk, whirr),
I *like* the hamster-sneeze shutter!

__
You got a Zarg in here? Are you *nuts*???
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Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle

2002-05-06 Thread Pentxuser

Shel: This is probably going off in a completely different direction than you 
wanted but I'm wondering why you, or anyone for that matter, would continue 
to process film and work in the darkroom when you have the option of doing it 
all with the computer. I recognize that there is a certain amount of 
enjoyment going into the darkroom and watching your film and pictures develop 
right there in front of you. But the health concerns, the time and, of 
course, the money involved in darkroom work makes a scanner, computer and 
printer such a tempting alternative. And if it's BW we're talking about. 
Shoot colour and convert it to BW, and your off and running. I would 
hesitate to invest any money in traditional BW techniques at this point... 
Just my opinion
Vic

In a message dated 5/5/02 6:03:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I hate developing film.  It's been said that a Jobo machine will at
least make the pain endurable.  Well, I've resisted getting a machine
until now.  I read (perhaps here) that using a Jobo can free you up to
shoot more film, as it can be processed automatically.  I wouldn't have
to burn film with much thought to the time/energy/boredom of processing
the rolls by hand.

Questions for those who have used both hand and Jobo processing for BW
negative work: do you see any qualitative differences between Jobo
processed film and that which you've done manually?  Is the grain
structure the same?  How does the contrast compare? Any other comparison
points would be welcome.

-- 
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Re: Stan H Tinkers In Toronto

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 11:05  PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Wasn't that just around the time that Stan ~dropped~ the 645? (ouch)

Note to self: do not buy any 645s from Stan.

;)

-Aaron
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Re: Film scanners

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 06:26  PM, Ryan Charron wrote:

 If you've got a medium format camera, you might as
 well
 go for a real medium format film scanner.
 You'll never be sorry you did. The scans must be
 awesome! (excuse me, I'm licking my lips and lusting
 here)

Ryan, I had a Sprintscan 4000 and moved up to a Sprintscan 120, which, 
in addition to the ability to scan medium format, has better DMax.  
Wow.  The difference between that and our old Agfa Duoscan T1200 is 
astonishing, even at the same resolution.

Anyone who has medium format gear and who is thinking about investing in 
digital, I recommend spending your money on a good medium format neg 
scanner.

-Aaron
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Fujinon 400/4.5

2002-05-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm surprised no PDMLer--not even JCO--bid on the beautiful Fujinon EBC 400/4.5 in M42 
that was sniped for $335 at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1349563526 . 

- EBC-multicoated
- takes 49mm rear filters
- 5 elements, 4 groups
- 1990 g
- close focus: 8 meters (reason enough, perhaps, to be glad you didn't get it)

Not sure if it has the Auto switch.

Other multicoated M42 Fujinon lenses included a 600/5.6 and a a 1000/8! Both take 49mm 
rear filters.

Other M42 fast 400 bargains include the Piesker 400/4.5 (400/4?) and Enna Tele-Ennalyt 
400/4.5. The latter was also available in K mount, but without aperture.

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Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Can't you just add more solution to the tank?  IIRC, one generally runs
a Jobo using less chemistry than when doing hand processing, about 1/2
the chemistry, right?  If that's correct, couldn't you just fill the
tank with more solution?

I think that, to a degree, you're correct about developer, although
there are enough differences between *certain* developers (IMO) that
you'd not be able to match results, depending, of course, on what
results you're trying to match.  For example, I just can't see how
Acufine will produce results similar to FG-7 g.

William Robb wrote:

 Developer capacity. I haven't used X-Tol, but D-76 and its close
 cousin ID-11 are run very close to capacity at full strength in
 a Jobo if the tank is at its film capacity.
 Frankly, I went to HC:110 because of its flexibility WRT
 dilution, and I haven't tried many onther developers in the
 Jobo. ID-11 works fine at full strength, I haven't tried 1:1
 because of capacity concerns.
 I have this possibly wrong belief that developer is developer is
 developer, and the results from any two different developers can
 be matched with some testing.

-- 
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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread James Adams

Help
Just received this offer from D... (In dealing for the delays)

I know I'll have to deal with the hassle of UPS when the camera returns,
which I will do as it was my error in using UPS, so I have a proposition.

If you would like I have a Pentax P30T in excellent+  condition with either
an SMC 1.7 lens that has minor mark on the filter ring (optics are fine) or
a pristine SMC 2.0 lens.  The camera is a much newer (and in my opinion)
superior model - I will send that directly via USPS if you would like it.

Otherwise I will deal with UPS and send the Program Plus out when I get it
back... the offer is there, its up to you.

Sorry about the hassle,
D...

Is the Program Plus a metal bodied camera, and P30T one of those plastic
ones.
Is this a good deal? (Pentax Program Plus was bought for $102)
James
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RE: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

2002-05-06 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds
 
 On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 02:34  PM, William D. Sawyer wrote:
 
  Does anyone have preferences regarding plastic or 
 stainless tops for 
  developing tanks?  Other than cost, of course.  Are the 
 stainless ones 
  superior?  Do they get stuck more often?  Do they wear better?
 
 Stainless are better in almost every way, except if you drop 'em, 
 they're pretty much toast.  I use plastic because of my 
 fumble-fingers.

Are you talking about reels or tanks?

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RE: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

2002-05-06 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb
 
 
 The plastic lids are not necessarily IR tight, so if you are
 processing IR film, leave the lights off until the film is in
 the fixer.

Jobo tanks are IR tight. They claim it and I've tested it.

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Re: MF: Pentax 67, 6x7 and 67II compatibility

2002-05-06 Thread Bruce Dayton

Jan,

My P67II manual clearly states:
The Pentaprism Finder, Folding Focusing Hood or Rigid Magnifying Hood
used for the 67 camera can also be attached to the 67II camera.  The
TTL Pentaprism Finder used for the 67 Camera cannot be used to the
67II camera.

There are new versions of all the finders for 67II but the only older
version that cannot be used on the new 67II is the TTL Pentaprism
Finder.

HTH,


Bruce



Monday, May 06, 2002, 7:42:29 AM, you wrote:

JvW Hi,

JvW I am still trying to find these answers in documentation too, 
JvW but PDML is still the best source :-)

JvW Can the older viewfinders (non-TTL) for the 67 and 6x7 be used on the 67II ?

JvW I'd like to know since I might be getting an older 6x7 or 67 and if I get 
additional
JvW viewfinders with that, will they work on the 67II if I ever get one of those ?

JvW As far as I could see, the lenses are compatible. Are there exceptions ?

JvW Regards, JvW
JvW --
JvW Jan van Wijk;   http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
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Re: LX noise redux (Was: Re: Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night))

2002-05-06 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi,

On 6 May 2002 at 11:14, Christian Skofteland wrote:
 I found a venue where the ka-chunk of the LX is an asset.  I was a t the zoo 
 with my daughter over the weekend photographing anything that I could.  The 
 tigers, Serval and small tree-shrew type animals would not look at me whilst 
 I composed.  So: Ka-Chunk! went the LX as I photographed their backs.  Their 
 heads would whip around to see what made the noise and Ka-Chunk! I'd get a 
 nice portrait!  

The 67 should also work with a def leppard ...


Gabor
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OT: Alternative processes for dev and print.

2002-05-06 Thread Delano Mireles

Hi all,

I'm currently reading more on different developing and printing techniques
and just curious on where does one get actual chemicals to try these
alternatives?  Is this common in larger cities where you would just go to a
photo shop and get this stuff?  Can it be mail ordered?

Thanks for any leads,

Delano
(wishing he had paid more attention in his HS Chemistry class)
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Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Vic ...

I understand the point you're trying to make, but for me using the
computer, desaturated color film, and an ink jet printer just doesn't
provide the results I'm looking for. Desaturated color film does not
have the same tonality as BW negative film, and please, don't even
suggest chromogenic BW.  While it has its place, it's quite limited in
the results it can deliver, and there are very few emulsion choices and
but one speed of film.

Apart from different results, there's the pleasure derived from working
in a darkroom that I don't get from sitting in front of a computer
screen.

I don't believe that the costs between a wet darkroom and computer
generated prints are that different, and suspect that a wet darkroom is
less expensive, especially in the long run.  Printing ink for BW work
is quite spendy, and good quality paper is not cheap either.  A printer
that's capable of making high quality 11x14 prints is probably as
expensive, or even more expensive, than an enlarger, which doesn't wear
out and never becomes obsolete.

Apart from chemicals and paper, and perhaps safelight filters, all
darkroom purchases are one-time only affairs.  Enlargers, lenses, trays,
tanks, etc., are not consumables.  They don't wear out or become
obsolete as does computer gear.  A forty year old enlarger works just as
well today as it did when new.

The environmental concerns may be similar, IMO, between computers and a
chemical darkroom., although I believe that computers, overall, are more
of an environmental disaster.  But, IAC, it comes down to choosing your
poison and how it effects you and the rest of the world.  Old computers,
monitors, and the like are a real disposal hazard, and the manufacture
of chips and circuits can wreak environmental havoc.  


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Shel: This is probably going off in a completely different direction than you
 wanted but I'm wondering why you, or anyone for that matter, would continue
 to process film and work in the darkroom when you have the option of doing it
 all with the computer. I recognize that there is a certain amount of
 enjoyment going into the darkroom and watching your film and pictures develop
 right there in front of you. But the health concerns, the time and, of
 course, the money involved in darkroom work makes a scanner, computer and
 printer such a tempting alternative. And if it's BW we're talking about.
 Shoot colour and convert it to BW, and your off and running. I would
 hesitate to invest any money in traditional BW techniques at this point...
 Just my opinion

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/
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Re: OT: Alternative processes for dev and print.

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

What techniques are of interest?

Delano Mireles wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm currently reading more on different developing and printing techniques
 and just curious on where does one get actual chemicals to try these
 alternatives?  Is this common in larger cities where you would just go to a
 photo shop and get this stuff?  Can it be mail ordered?

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/
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Re: MF: Pentax 67, 6x7 and 67II compatibility

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 10:42  AM, Jan van Wijk wrote:

 Can the older viewfinders (non-TTL) for the 67 and 6x7 be used on the 
 67II ?

 I'd like to know since I might be getting an older 6x7 or 67 and if I 
 get additional
 viewfinders with that, will they work on the 67II if I ever get one of 
 those ?

The non-metering finders from the 6x7/67 are all compatible with the 
67II.

 As far as I could see, the lenses are compatible. Are there exceptions ?

Nope!

-Aaron
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Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 07:46  AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 With Studional do you get full film speed?  Can you achieve subtle
 detail in the shadows, especially good differentiation between Zones
 1,2, and 3?

Full film speed, for most films I would say yes.  Delta 100 seems a 
little slow in it, as does FP4 (which I quite dislike in it).  Most 
everything else comes out fabulously.

Shadow detail is quite good with most films, especially TMax 100 and 
400, Delta 400, APX 100, Ilford Pan F 50, and all of the Fuji Neopans.

 Carefully collected notes! LOL

Well, they're collected in yer head, ain't they? ;)

-Aaron
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Re: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 11:26  AM, tom wrote:

 Jobo tanks are IR tight. They claim it and I've tested it.

Dave Brooks can vouch for that: his IR was developed in a Jobo plastic 
tank.

-Aaron
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Re: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 11:26  AM, tom wrote:

 Are you talking about reels or tanks?

Aaron is not paying attention today and is talking about reels when the 
question is about tank lids.  Coffee needed.

-Aaron
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RE: Alternative processes for dev and print.

2002-05-06 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Delano Mireles

 Hi all,

 I'm currently reading more on different developing and
 printing techniques
 and just curious on where does one get actual chemicals to try these
 alternatives?  Is this common in larger cities where you
 would just go to a
 photo shop and get this stuff?  Can it be mail ordered?

http://www.photoformulary.com/

You also might want to do a google search in rec.photo.darkroom, as
there are a couple of lesser known places that are cheaper. I just
don't know what they are off the top of my head.

tv
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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It occurs to me that if you specified, Send by USPS, a Canadian seller unfamiliar 
with the abbreviation may easily have misread it as UPS.

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Exhibition?!? -Too good to be true?

2002-05-06 Thread Jostein

Gang,
Has any of you received an offer to participate in an exhibition in
Spain lately?
I just received a generous offer from:

Grupo Batik Art

in Barcelona, but I don't know what to make of it. I could be just
spam, but it's an original way of presenting it. There were two
attachments to the mail, a CV for the exhibitor and the conditions for
the exhibition. The text was in pretty poor english, but the CV and
conditions were nice.

Searches in Google and Yahoo! turns up references from a spanish
newsgroup, but I can't read a word of Spanish... :-(Also, I found
a pile of links to artists' webpages who have put up the exhibition in
their own CVs. I will contact any of them that speak English or
scandinavian languages, but maybe any of you have heard of them too?

Thanks for any help,
Jostein
http://oksne.net
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Re: Re: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

2002-05-06 Thread David Brooks

Vouched.

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:03:48 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Developing Tanks


On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 11:26  AM, tom wrote:

 Jobo tanks are IR tight. They claim it and I've tested it.

Dave Brooks can vouch for that: his IR was developed in a Jobo 
plastic 
tank.

-Aaron
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RE: LX noise redux (Was: Re: Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night))

2002-05-06 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk

Same thing happened to me last week when I was photographing a cat, also
from a distance (I know - it's not a tiger, but you can't have everyhting
you want I guess). I don't have a LX, but a MX with a winder was noisy
enough for the animal to perfectly pose for the second shot.
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Christian Skofteland
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fred
Subject: LX noise redux (Was: Re: Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night))


I found a venue where the ka-chunk of the LX is an asset.  I was a t the zoo
with my daughter over the weekend photographing anything that I could.  The
tigers, Serval and small tree-shrew type animals would not look at me whilst
I composed.  So: Ka-Chunk! went the LX as I photographed their backs.  Their
heads would whip around to see what made the noise and Ka-Chunk! I'd get a
nice portrait!  The tigers were outdoors and far away an yet they would
still
react to the sound!  Amazing!  Remind me not to go to India with the LX
The zoo is one thing, out in the open with a tiger would not be time to draw
attention to one's self.

I still love the LX though!  ;-)

Christian

On Monday 06 May 2002 10:52, Fred wrote:

  P.S. Peter, compared to my LX (ka-chunk, whirr), I *like* the
  hamster-sneeze shutter!

 Yeah.  As much as I love my LX's, they're not really capable of
 ~any~ stealth mode operation - g.  I just reactivated an old ME
 Super (equipped with the clever Short Soft Case ME, for my own
 hamster sneezes) as my dedicated church camera.

 Fred (still reservedly curious about AF bodies)
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Re: Alternative processes for dev and print.

2002-05-06 Thread Delano Mireles

Thanks, Tom.

That's exactly what I'm looking for!

D

on 5/6/02 11:06 AM, tom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Delano Mireles
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm currently reading more on different developing and
 printing techniques
 and just curious on where does one get actual chemicals to try these
 alternatives?  Is this common in larger cities where you
 would just go to a
 photo shop and get this stuff?  Can it be mail ordered?
 
 http://www.photoformulary.com/
 
 You also might want to do a google search in rec.photo.darkroom, as
 there are a couple of lesser known places that are cheaper. I just
 don't know what they are off the top of my head.
 
 tv
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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread William Johnson

The P30t (as I understand it) has a metal chassis and is plastic and
rubber covered.  It sets film speed via DX coding, there is no manual
setting of film speed available.  Non DX cartridges code in at ISO 100. 
The setting of shutter speeds is more traditional than the push buttons
of a program plus.  There is no exposure compensation available like a
Program Plus, but it does have a memory lock button.  It does not
accept a motor or winder.  Slow speeds  go down to only one second.  

It's been a while since I picked up a Program Plus, but my Super
Programs (concurrent model with the Program Plus) have a much brighter
viewfinder than does the P30t.  

I think that the P30t is a likable enough camera, but I'm unsure if I
would prefer it over a Program Plus.

HTH

William in Utah.


James Adams wrote:
 
 Help
 Just received this offer from D... (In dealing for the delays)
 
 I know I'll have to deal with the hassle of UPS when the camera returns,
 which I will do as it was my error in using UPS, so I have a proposition.
 
 If you would like I have a Pentax P30T in excellent+  condition with either
 an SMC 1.7 lens that has minor mark on the filter ring (optics are fine) or
 a pristine SMC 2.0 lens.  The camera is a much newer (and in my opinion)
 superior model - I will send that directly via USPS if you would like it.
 
 Otherwise I will deal with UPS and send the Program Plus out when I get it
 back... the offer is there, its up to you.
 
 Sorry about the hassle,
 D...
 
 Is the Program Plus a metal bodied camera, and P30T one of those plastic
 ones.
 Is this a good deal? (Pentax Program Plus was bought for $102)
 James
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Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

My sister has my ME S manual and I was wondering if the camera offers
exposure lock.  Probably not, but thought I'd ask anyway.  Anyway, if it
does, how is it activated.
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OT Need a module

2002-05-06 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

I'm needing a Pentax dedicated module for my Sunpak 611.  It came with a non-dedicated 
shoe, but I'd like a dedicated one.  Anyone know of one out there?

TIA

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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread b_rubenstein

The P30t is plastic and rubber on the outside and metal 
on the inside. The grey paint on the top plate tends to 
wear on the edges. Functionally, the cameras are pretty 
similar. The Program Plus was a more expensive camera 
and it shows in a number of areas: better finish, better 
viewfinder  less vibration, among others. One thing the 
P30t does have is AE lock (button marked ML). This is a 
very handy feature for AE cameras.
Neither camera seems to sell for very much these days, 
but I think a PP is worth more.
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Re: In a nutshell - Is Pentax ever going Digital SLR

2002-05-06 Thread Patrick White

Nitin Garg wrote:
The best way to merge digital and film is to make *digital film* IMO.
Dont know if its possible. Dont think anyone is doing it :)

Yes, someone is (or perhaps, was).  It's been vapor hardware for something
like 4 years now, so no need to provide a web address.  Last I recall, the
resolution they were talking about was so low that the product wouldn't be
viable anymore.
My guess is they have the patent and are waiting for some camera company to
buy them out for it.  Unfortunately, they haven't realized that allowing
consumers to reuse existing gear instead of buying new isn't in anybody's
interest except the consumers, and they apparently don't have enough money
to make the development happen.

On Thu, May 02, 1996 at 07:01:40PM -0700, Jeremy Clegg wrote:
 I have been away, so I apologize if this topic has been beat to death.
 Can I be relatively confident that *at some point less than 5 years from
 now* Pentax will release a Digital SLR that can take all my nice Pentax
 lenses?

As said by someone else, don't hold your breath -- the MZ-S itself took
nearly 6 years of this-conference-that-event rumors before it was real.  I
don't know what took them so long to perfect on it, so it was probably some
sort of delay for the proper market.  Therefore, Pentax is probably waiting
for the dust to settle on what the proper resolution and features should be
and for the proper market before releasing their digital SLR.  I doubt they
have figured out that this combination of factors is unlikely to happen
until the market is nearly saturated and sales begin to slow.
Of course, I suppose it is possible that Pentax will release the DSLR
sooner.

later,
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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread David Dixon

William Robb wrote:

Hi;
I have the opportunity to purchase the above named lens. One
thing that bothers me is the lack of a tripod mount. If any
owners of the lens would care to comment on the qualities of it,
and whether the lack of a tripod socket is a fatal flaw, I would
be interested in your responses.
Thanks

William Robb


I had one of these until recently, but sold it and bought a Sigma 300/4 
apo macro instead, partly to get a tripod mount.  I used the lens with a 
monopod on a number of occasions, and using the camera tripod mount 
makes the camera  lens very front-heavy and difficult to use, 
especially with a ball  socket head, and even more so if using a 
teleconverter or extension tube.  I eventually resorted to cobbling 
together a make-shift tripod mount for the lens, which while not 
particularly sturdy, did allow for easier use on a monopod.
The optics were fine, except that very high contrast subjects would show 
the effects of slight chromatic aberration, giving magenta fringes 
around very bright objects (not usually a problem though).  The Sigma 
lens appears to be much better corrected (but with significantly poorer 
lens coatings).
The focusing on the Pentax is beautifully smooth and well damped, but 
quite slow due to the long travel; the Sigma is loose with a very short 
travel, but suprisingly easy to focus manually, with the added advantage 
of a much closer focus, although the internal focus effectively shortens 
the focal length even at quite modest distances - at 4m, the view is 
~20% wider than the Pentax.
Hope this helps,

David Dixon
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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

William Johnson, after deliniating differences, wrote:
 
 I think that the P30t is a likable enough camera, but I'm
 unsure if I would prefer it over a Program Plus.

I had a P30t for a (very) short while. I rapidly let it
go on to someone else. Most frustrating was the non-
overridable DX coding - I am a firm believer in +1/3rd
stop for print films. The memory lock only holds for a few
seconds, so exposure comp is far preferable, IMHO. Lack of
winder attachment also was a negative.

I'd go for the ProgramPlus between the two.

Bill


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Re: MF: Pentax 67, 6x7 and 67II compatibility

2002-05-06 Thread Jan van Wijk

Thanks Bruce,

That is good to know.

Now trying to find a reasonably priced 67 body and finder ...

What I have seen sofar is between US $500 and 800 for 
a used 67 including the standard (non-TTL) prism ...


Regards, JvW


On Mon, 6 May 2002 08:28:39 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:


There are new versions of all the finders for 67II but the only older
version that cannot be used on the new 67II is the TTL Pentaprism
Finder.

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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Chris Brogden

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 My sister has my ME S manual and I was wondering if the camera offers
 exposure lock.  Probably not, but thought I'd ask anyway.  Anyway, if it
 does, how is it activated.

Easy... remember the reading you want to lock, turn the dial to manual
and set the shutter speed appropriately.  Presto... instant exposure lock!
;)  If you're asking about a seperate button, then no, it doesn't have
anything like that.

chris
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Kerosene Safelight

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Amazing!  Imagine what darkroom work was like in the days when kerosene
powered safelights were used.

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/klight.jpg
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Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle

2002-05-06 Thread gfen

Just thought I'd point out:

http://www.surplusshed.com/list.cfm?Category=Cameras

Second from bottom, your very own minilab for $925.



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RE: Pentax SMC 135/2.5K vs Vivitar Series One 135/2.3K: color

2002-05-06 Thread Butch Black

You might want to check the backs of the prints. Most minilabs print a
series of numbers and/or letters that will tell what corrections, if any,
were made. If both prints have the same numbers/ letters they were printed
the same.

It strikes me that if flare can lower contrast and mute colors then a lens
with an inferior lens coating could produce images with less contrast and
saturation compared to a lens with better coatings on its lenses.

BUTCH

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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Thanks, Chris ...

Sounds like a good, quick workaround g.

So, if I wanted to use a manual focus camera, which Pentax has aperture
priority and exposure lock ... besides the MX smile.

Chris Brogden wrote:
 
 On Mon, 6 May 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  My sister has my ME S manual and I was wondering if the camera offers
  exposure lock.  Probably not, but thought I'd ask anyway.  Anyway, if it
  does, how is it activated.
 
 Easy... remember the reading you want to lock, turn the dial to manual
 and set the shutter speed appropriately.  Presto... instant exposure lock!
 ;)  If you're asking about a seperate button, then no, it doesn't have
 anything like that.

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OT; Photoshop seminar

2002-05-06 Thread Butch Black

Hi:

Is anyone going to the Photoshop seminar at the Jacob Javits center in NYC
tomorrow. If so, do you want to meet for coffee or lunch?

BUTCH

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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Chris Brogden

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Thanks, Chris ...

 Sounds like a good, quick workaround g.

 So, if I wanted to use a manual focus camera, which Pentax has aperture
 priority and exposure lock ... besides the MX smile.

Hmmm... even the LX and Super Program don't offer exposure lock.  You'll
have to go to the P-series bodies to find both at once.  The P30 (P3 in
U.S.) would work, as would the P50 (P5) and P30N (same as P30, but with
cosmetic changes).  These cameras still allow for manual film advance and
rewind, but I much prefer the feel and handling of earlier models.

chris
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Rear lens caps

2002-05-06 Thread Jens Bladt

Hi All
Over the years I have purchased lenses with KA or KAF mount
without rear caps. Ebay sellers does not seem to know the  what 
a KA or KAF mount rear cap is.
I prefere caps that protect the contacts and the AF shaft 
as well as the rear lens/inside of the barrel. 
Do any of you know where to buy caps with a collar (KA/KAF-mount)

Best Regards, 
Jens
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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Tim Engel

Shel,

Pentax K2 DMD,  but good luck finding one.   When in the automatic mode
(aperture priority),  the mirror lock-up also activates the exposure memory
hold (push the knob up).   But you can move the knob down to activate the
memory hold function without the mirror lock-up.

Regards,
Tim Engel



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?
(Snip)...
 So, if I wanted to use a manual focus camera, which
 Pentax has aperture priority and exposure lock ...
 besides the MX smile.
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Re: Kerosene Safelight

2002-05-06 Thread David Brooks

Probably did little C-41 work toog

Dave

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Sent: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:41:16 -0400
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kerosene Safelight


Amazing!  Imagine what darkroom work was like in the days when 
kerosene
powered safelights were used.

http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/klight.jpg
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RE: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Ron Bhanukitsiri

Hi Shel,

The Pentax MX is totally manual, no aperture priority.  The
exposure is always locked, but it may not be what you want ;-).

I've always wondered which is the most often used by photographer
and if he/she can pick only one what would it be: AE lock or
exposure compensation.  Well, at least the AF bodies seem to
have both ;-).

Ron B[ee]

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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?


Thanks, Chris ...

Sounds like a good, quick workaround g.

So, if I wanted to use a manual focus camera, which Pentax has aperture
priority and exposure lock ... besides the MX smile.
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RE: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread Jens Bladt

Hello William
I'm not sure what the optical differences are, but I have The M* 4.0/300mm.
It is an excellent lens and doesn't really need a tripod mount. It's quite
small/compact (I guess that's what the M* stands for) for a 300mm lens. It's
perfectly usable for hand held shooting with fast film/or in bright light.
An old fashioned Pentax camera is supposed to be strong enough (metal
bayonet) to hold the lens, while the camera is on a tripod. However I
believe that some companies offer a tripod mount ring put on the lens, if
you want one. Others might know more about this, but I think I remember
seeing one in a magasine...

Best Regards,
Jens
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Re: Bellows Question...

2002-05-06 Thread Alexander Krohe

Bruce wrote: -

Also, the bellows can handle mounting a lens reversed
for further magnification.  In that case, you do have
to stop the lens down - the double cable release
doesn't help much.
--

I don't think that is quite correct. I have the
A-bellows unit and I can confirm that the double cable
release works when the lens is mounted reversed. The
entire front part of the unit including the cable
release connection can be reversely mounted. IMO this
is a big advantage of the A-bellows. 

I ~think~ this is not possible with the K-bellows unit
where a reverse adaptor is needed for mounting the
lens reversed. I don't know the M-bellows but I
~think~ it works similar to the A-bellows unit. 
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re: Rear lens caps

2002-05-06 Thread Pat White

You can buy lens caps from Pentax, along with many other things.

Pat White
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RE: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Jens Bladt

Hi Shell and all
Pentax P30 (P3) and Pentax P50 (P5) both have exposure lock (button on the
left side of the penta prism housing) as well as aperture priority auto
exposure! I own both cameras. Want to buy my P30?
Regards
Jens

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Shel,

Pentax K2 DMD,  but good luck finding one.   When in the automatic mode
(aperture priority),  the mirror lock-up also activates the exposure memory
hold (push the knob up).   But you can move the knob down to activate the
memory hold function without the mirror lock-up.

Regards,
Tim Engel



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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?
(Snip)...
 So, if I wanted to use a manual focus camera, which
 Pentax has aperture priority and exposure lock ...
 besides the MX smile.
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Spotmatic F, mint in box

2002-05-06 Thread Jens Bladt

I know ebay hints are not very popular here. But there's a boxed mint
Spotmatic F on ebay right now!!!
Best Regards,
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RE: Got One! (Was: Held an MZ-S Last Night)

2002-05-06 Thread Pat White

Fred, the auto-rewind can be switched on or off, as a Pentax Function.

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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Nitin Garg

Or get the undervalued ricoh bodies and get both :)

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:25:19AM -0700, Ron Bhanukitsiri wrote:
 Hi Shel,
 
 The Pentax MX is totally manual, no aperture priority.  The
 exposure is always locked, but it may not be what you want ;-).
 
 I've always wondered which is the most often used by photographer
 and if he/she can pick only one what would it be: AE lock or
 exposure compensation.  Well, at least the AF bodies seem to
 have both ;-).
 
 Ron B[ee]
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
 Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?
 
 
 Thanks, Chris ...
 
 Sounds like a good, quick workaround g.
 
 So, if I wanted to use a manual focus camera, which Pentax has aperture
 priority and exposure lock ... besides the MX smile.
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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread James Adams

Thanks Nitin,
Before I bought the ME's and ME Super, I bought a Ricoh KR-10 and
subsequently a Winder, and I love it. What Ricoh 'Program' models would you
recommend, and why?
James

BTW
Just received two items via USPS,
1. Salyut-S  for $160{Air Parcel[10 days]) Customs opened it because no
customs label was attached. I was  lucky, it was assessed as $50CDN for
customs purposes, and charged $7.25 GST/PST + postal handling fee $7.00).
2. Vivitar 70-150mm f3.8 Zoom (Identical to my Hoya Pentax Screw) for
$20(USPS Air insured [Posted Thursday]).

There was a combined handling charge + GST/PST that came to $21.75 CDN. No
customs duty. That might explain how I, and most others in Canada prefer US
Postal Service, to UPS (They tried to skin me for the Prog Plus for $130 CDN
in charges today).
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Re: Kerosene Safelight

2002-05-06 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Kerosene Safelight


 Amazing!  Imagine what darkroom work was like in the days when
kerosene
 powered safelights were used.

 http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom/klight.jpg

Imagine what exposure times were like when using kerosene
powered enlargers.

William Robb
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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread William Robb

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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest


 It occurs to me that if you specified, Send by USPS, a
Canadian seller unfamiliar with the abbreviation may easily have
misread it as UPS.

UPS is only a problem when shipping into Canada. If the shipping
is within Canada, UPS is fine, though no better than the post
office.

William Robb
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Re: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

2002-05-06 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: tom 
Subject: RE: Question Regarding Developing Tanks

 
  The plastic lids are not necessarily IR tight, so if you are
  processing IR film, leave the lights off until the film is
in
  the fixer.

 Jobo tanks are IR tight. They claim it and I've tested it.

As have I, and found them to be IR proof as well. However, the
plasic lids on SS tanks may or may not be.

William Robb
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Re: Rear lens caps

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Contact Rob Studdert.  I believe he still has a few for sale.

Jens Bladt wrote:
 
 Hi All
 Over the years I have purchased lenses with KA or KAF mount
 without rear caps. Ebay sellers does not seem to know the  what
 a KA or KAF mount rear cap is.
 I prefere caps that protect the contacts and the AF shaft
 as well as the rear lens/inside of the barrel.
 Do any of you know where to buy caps with a collar (KA/KAF-mount)

-- 
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May pug

2002-05-06 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Thanks for the kudos!
Re yours - you are kicking yourself too hard on that one... although the

played around with version that another pug-ite did was very nice.
The crossing lines just convey a different message with and without the
red and white stripe.

God, the way you were going on about it, girl, I thought it was going to

be some muddy underexposed mess :)

You do _not_ need to return to sports photography 101.  The look on the
kids
face is great.

best,
ann
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Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle

2002-05-06 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Running Film Through The Spin Cycle


 Can't you just add more solution to the tank?  IIRC, one
generally runs
 a Jobo using less chemistry than when doing hand processing,
about 1/2
 the chemistry, right?  If that's correct, couldn't you just
fill the
 tank with more solution?

Unfortunately, not really. The tank rests on its side in the
processor, and exceesive overfilling just pours out the drain
tube. I think chemistry volume is closer to 1/3, but will vary
depending on how much film is in the tank. One could certainly
process a single roll of film in 600ml of chemistry if desired.

William Robb
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Re: Kerosene Safelight

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Perfect for dodging and burning.  BTW, did I tell you I have a kerosene
powered TV?  Takes forever to warm up, but when it does, the picture has
a beautiful, transcendent glow to it, like the much ballyhooed Leica and
Hasselblad glass LMAO

William Robb wrote:

 Imagine what exposure times were like when using kerosene
 powered enlargers.
 
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Re: Favorite Body Survey Results UPDATE 31

2002-05-06 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 Aaron wrote:
 
 Did we gain a 6x7 vote?  
 My Brotherhoodical memory is acting up today.

You're on target - though I haven't (I don't think) voted
in the survey - methinks you're picking up etherial transmission
of my virtual vote.

!8^DBill

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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I don't think I'd be interested in those cameras ... they're a little to
avante gard in the styling department.

Chris Brogden wrote:

 Hmmm... even the LX and Super Program don't offer exposure lock.  You'll
 have to go to the P-series bodies to find both at once.  The P30 (P3 in
 U.S.) would work, as would the P50 (P5) and P30N (same as P30, but with
 cosmetic changes).  These cameras still allow for manual film advance and
 rewind, but I much prefer the feel and handling of earlier models.

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Re: Anyone interested in getting the Prntax poster?

2002-05-06 Thread Dario Bonazza 2

Hi everybody,

We (the AOHC board) still have to decide if we want to give away the
posters to everybody for free (just charging for postage) or selling them
outside
AOHC.
I believe at the end we'll charge something, just for funding AOHC and for
making some difference between AOHC members (which will get it for free) and
others.
In that case, I'm wishing to apply a reduced cost for PDML'ers (well below
$10 for sure) compared to other 'unknown' people. I believe we could arrange
to ship a batch to USA (and maybe one to Canada, one to UK, and so on
according to interest raised in the different countries) and maybe
distributing them around
$10 (hopefully even less) including postage and mailing tube.  I'll keep you
informed.
In the mean time I'm collecting 'booking' messages (10 so far) to get an
idea of the
batch I'll have to print and then ship. Please write to me, not to PDML, so
that we won't add unnecessary noise to the list.

Dario Bonazza

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Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?

2002-05-06 Thread Nitin Garg

The 2 that I have experience with are xr-p and xr-m. Paul has used xr-p
too and has given it favourable review here. He found it to have a less
vibration compared to his Super A (wrong model?). Our comparitive points
about the 2 are:

+ Bright viewfinder and 0.88x mag for xr-p (.80 for M)
. Built in winder on xr-m (+ for me, - for paul. he prefers to attach winder if 
needed).
- ISO overide in xr-m only by taping over the DX contacts or setting
  exp. comp
+ exposure comp is in 1/3rd steps.
. xr-p has aperture relay port. xr-m doesnt.
+ DOF in xr-m. not available in xr-p.
+ spot-metering in xr-m. not in xr-p. xr-m also has backlight compensation but thats 
+usually better done yourself.
. xr-m takes 4 AA batteries. Which is good because I sort of carry a
spare set in the flash and they last longer. I drained the battery on my
xr-10 too quickly becuase i took several long exposure shots. On the -ve
side AA battery grip on the side also makes it a little oddball to grip
for me. Its nice when holding normally but when taking vertical shots, i
have found it better to keep the battery side (which is also the shutter
release side) below or the camera is less stable in my hands due to the
top being heavier. The fact that i have found the xr-m's shutter button
a little stiff doesnt help either. xr-10 (non-prog) is great this way.
metering is activated by a longish button that falls under your right
hand fingers and shutter release is sensitive and quick.
. xr-p takes standard threaded cable release. you need a wireless or
wired plug-in (2.5mm jack?) type thingie for xr-m.

I havent had experience with the other program models (kr-30sp, 20sp,
xr-3xpf etc) but have read favorable reviews about them.

The caveat ofcourse is getting program lenses (ricoh P lenses) is not
easy. One could try to make their pentax-a lenses into AP lenses :) or
use 3rd party ones. I have been able to (tho i must say i was lucky) to
get the 50/1.4, 28/2.8, 28-100/4, 70-210/3.9,70-300/4.5-5.6 P lenses.
Vivitar 19/3.8 also works in program mode. If the trend continues, soon
I will not qualify to submit anything to PUG :)


On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 01:22:12PM -0700, James Adams wrote:
 Thanks Nitin,
 Before I bought the ME's and ME Super, I bought a Ricoh KR-10 and
 subsequently a Winder, and I love it. What Ricoh 'Program' models would you
 recommend, and why?
 James
 
 BTW
 Just received two items via USPS,
 1. Salyut-S  for $160{Air Parcel[10 days]) Customs opened it because no
 customs label was attached. I was  lucky, it was assessed as $50CDN for
 customs purposes, and charged $7.25 GST/PST + postal handling fee $7.00).
 2. Vivitar 70-150mm f3.8 Zoom (Identical to my Hoya Pentax Screw) for
 $20(USPS Air insured [Posted Thursday]).
 
 There was a combined handling charge + GST/PST that came to $21.75 CDN. No
 customs duty. That might explain how I, and most others in Canada prefer US
 Postal Service, to UPS (They tried to skin me for the Prog Plus for $130 CDN
 in charges today).
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Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest

2002-05-06 Thread James Adams

The Sender is in New England.
James
- Original Message - 
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest


 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:29 AM
 Subject: Re: Pentax Program Plus - Latest
 
 
  It occurs to me that if you specified, Send by USPS, a
 Canadian seller unfamiliar with the abbreviation may easily have
 misread it as UPS.
 
 UPS is only a problem when shipping into Canada. If the shipping
 is within Canada, UPS is fine, though no better than the post
 office.
 
 William Robb
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Re: Slight OT:My IR report

2002-05-06 Thread Maciej Marchlewski

- Original Message -
From: Aaron Reynolds

  As far as Konica goes maybe Aaron can answer
  that.

 I believe that the Konica 750nm stuff is gone.  I have a few rolls still
 in my freezer, but they're mine.

 -Aaron

Darn! I should've got into that sooner. I already went into the store with a
plan of buying about 5 to 10 rolls of it because it was said to problematic
to get it. And now it's gone for good. I really hoped for some lower price
than Kodak's stuff which is somehow expensive. They ask 10 bucks for a
135/36 roll. And in the wholesale shop they've told me that they would have
to order it especially for me so I should go for at least 20 rolls pack.
Almost felt of the chair when I multiplied everything...
Well, tough world. Lucky there is a pro lab that claimed on the phone they
have it at about the same price and I can get one roll at the time.
Ilford SFX 200 in a 135 rolls seems to sit almost in every fridge, but I
want something really strong.

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Re: Kerosene Safelight

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 01:43  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Perfect for dodging and burning.  BTW, did I tell you I have a kerosene
 powered TV?  Takes forever to warm up, but when it does, the picture has
 a beautiful, transcendent glow to it, like the much ballyhooed Leica and
 Hasselblad glass LMAO

That would be perfect for viewing my ancient CED videodiscs on!

-Aaron
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Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)

2002-05-06 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 09:49  PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Except for Aaron, everyone seems to like May 11.

I think I might be able to at least show up for some of it, though we 
are in the final stages of wedding planning, so much of my weekend time 
is consumed with flower and cake choices.

The 24th is way off-limits, as it is likely gonna be my geek bachelor 
party.

-Aaron
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RE: Kerosene Safelight

2002-05-06 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

No sh@#!!!??
Lukasz

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Subject: Re: Kerosene Safelight


Perfect for dodging and burning.  BTW, did I tell you I have a kerosene
powered TV?  Takes forever to warm up, but when it does, the picture has
a beautiful, transcendent glow to it, like the much ballyhooed Leica and
Hasselblad glass LMAO

William Robb wrote:

 Imagine what exposure times were like when using kerosene
 powered enlargers.

 William Robb
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Re: Telescopes instead of super telephotos? (WAS: Pentax-A* 1200/8 ED IF)

2002-05-06 Thread george de fockert

 George wrote:


 That must be very irrational, because pentax has more interresting
 telescopes in that focal range.
 And these have the additional advantage, that they can be used for medium
 format !


 How are these telescopes for ordinary photography? Do they compare in
 quality and price?

 Pål


Unfortunately for most list readers, its all german.

for a test : http://www.astrostudio.at/pentaxtest.htm

for price, they are not cheap, and have one disadvantage for daytime use, no
aperture mechanism.

http://www.astrostudio.at/125sdp.htm

http://www.telescopes-by-pentax-gmbh.com/DE/download/Pentaxpreisliste.pdf

more info starting at their homepage
http://www.telescopes-by-pentax-gmbh.com/DE/homepage/index.html

Personally, I think they are a bit too expensive for me, but so are the SMC
PENTAX-A 1200/8 etc.

George
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Re: May PUG - my comments

2002-05-06 Thread frank theriault

Thanks for the kind words, Wendy.

It is a bw print.  Sometimes, however, when scanning a bw print, I forget, and
scan it in colour.  For some reason, some bits of colour show up on small
diagonal lines in the scan.  I know that's not a very technical description, but
maybe that's what happened?  I don't know.  I thought I scanned this one in bw,
but maybe not.  My moniter's starting to go kaput, (no red), so maybe I can't see
the colours you refer to.  Or maybe it is your moniter, I don't know...

Referring back to your earlier post about how dis-satisfied you were with your
scan, let me tell you that I spent at least an hour trying to get this one right,
and never did.  It's too dark.  But, whenever I lightened it, it was too bright,
so I had to put up with a too dark scan.  The print is much nicer looking than
the scan, but I was so frustrated, I thought, I've invested so much time in
this, it's going in, no matter what!

FWIW, I really liked yours.  The pensive look of concentration on the boy's face
is priceless, although I did, I must admit, prefer the crop that another
list-member did for you (sorry, I forget who).  You certainly had the seed of a
wonderful shot, though.

I hope you continue to submit to PUG.  It's a great way to get feedback from
peers and learn from them - although looking at some of my submissions, I guess I
should practice what I preach!  vbg

Thanks again,
frank

wendy beard wrote:

 Flatiron in the Fog - Frank Theriault
 Looks like a postcard out of the 1920s. Hard to believe this is Toronto, 2002
 Just one thing puzzles me - this is black and white film, but I can see
 colour in the image - or is it my monitor?


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Re: Pentax K 300mm f/4

2002-05-06 Thread Alan Chan

The Pentax 200/4 Macro collar will fit the 300/4.5 FA. I don't know how 
easily one could obtain it, or what it would cost

I bought one recently from Pentax Canada and it costed CAD121. But then it's 
so unpopular that they didn't even know they had one.

regards,
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Re: Stan H Tinkers In Toronto

2002-05-06 Thread frank theriault

Ooo, crap.  Didn't even think of that one!  Sorry, Stan.  Hope you never
have to sell that one.

OTOH, Aaron, you're welcome for the warning!  vbg

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 Note to self: do not buy any 645s from Stan.


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Re: Rear lens caps

2002-05-06 Thread Alan Chan

Over the years I have purchased lenses with KA or KAF mount
without rear caps. Ebay sellers does not seem to know the  what
a KA or KAF mount rear cap is.
I prefere caps that protect the contacts and the AF shaft
as well as the rear lens/inside of the barrel.
Do any of you know where to buy caps with a collar (KA/KAF-mount)

Both front and rear Pentax caps are available as accessories from Pentax. 
Local dealers might not stock them, but they are available.

regards,
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Which Ricoh Program body? (was: Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?)

2002-05-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'll reply in all caps, point by point:

Nitin Garg wrote:

The 2 that I have experience with are xr-p and xr-m. Paul has used xr-p 
too and has given it favourable review here. 

ACTUALLY, I BROKE IT BEFORE I COULD USE IT. I STILL HAVEN'T FIRED A SHOT WITH A RICOH, 
SO MY OPINIONS ARE BASED ON SPECS, FEEL, REVIEWS, AND ONLINE COMMENTS I'VE SEEN.

He found it to have a less 
vibration compared to his Super A (wrong model?). 

UNQUESTIONABLY. AND LESS THAN THE XR-2S.

Our comparitive points 
about the 2 are: 

+ Bright viewfinder and 0.88x mag for xr-p (.80 for M).

THE BRIGHT FINDER WAS INTRODUCED ON THE XR-P (AND XR-10 AND 7, MAYBE) AND CONTINUED ON 
THE SUBSEQUENT PROGRAM MODELS: XR-X (XR-M IN USA), XR-3000 (A BUDGET MODEL), AND 
XRX-3P (THE FINAL HIGH-END MODEL). BUT THE XR-P WAS THE LAST TO USE THE 0.88X 
MAGNIFICATION; AFTER THAT, ALL USED, I THINK, 0.82X.
 
 Built in winder on xr-m (+ for me, - for paul. he prefers to attach winder 
if needed). 

YEP. YOU CAN THUS SEE THE WIND LEVER MOVING, FOR REASSURANCE. AND YOU CAN CHOOSE TO 
ADD A BATTERY-LADEN MOTOR, FOR HEFT, OR SIMPLY USE THE FEATHERWEIGHT GRIP, WITH ITS 
EXCELLENT AUXIILIARY SHUTTER RELEASE.

spot-metering in xr-m. not in xr-p. xr-m also has backlight compensation but 
thats usually better done yourself. 

THESE AND OTHER XR-M/XR-X FEATURES ARE ALSO FOUND ON THE XR-M'S REPLACEMENT, THE 
XRX-3P. ALSO, THESE TWO MODELS, UNLIKE THE XR-P, SHOW YOU THE SHUTTER SPEED ON A 
TOP-PANEL LCD. 

BUT AMONG RICOH PROGRAM BODIES, ONLY THE XR-P SHOWS YOU THE APERTURE IN A WINDOW IN 
THE VIEWFINDER.

The caveat ofcourse is getting program lenses (ricoh P lenses) is not 
easy. 

TRUE, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE IT, YOU HAVE IT. THE 50/2 IS A FINE LENS AND WIDELY AVAILABLE 
IN P, THOUGH IT WAS NEVER MULTICOATED. THE P 50/1.4 IS SCARCER THAN A PENTAX 50/1.2; 
I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE FOR SALE IN THREE MONTHS OF LOOKING.

One could try to make their pentax-a lenses into AP lenses :) or 
use 3rd party ones. 
YES, MANY THIRD-PARTY LENSES, ESPECIALLY VIVITAR'S, INCLUDE PROGRAM CONTACTS FOR 
PENTAX AND RICOH.

If the trend continues, soon I will not qualify to submit anything to PUG :) 

FEWER THAN HALF OF MY LENSES ARE NOW PENTAX, AND SOON THAT NUMBER WILL BE A THIRD. 
MIXING AND MATCHING IS ALL PART OF THE K-MOUNT ADVANTAGE.

CONCLUSION: ALL PROGRAM RICOHS OFFER TTL FLASH AND EASY VERTICAL SHOOTING. IF YOU LIKE 
THE CLASSIC CAMERA FEEL AND OPERATION OR MUST HAVE THE APERTURE WINDOW, GET THE XR-P. 
IF YOU PREFER MODERN AMENITIES, SKIP THE XR-M/XR-X AND GO FOR AN XR-X 3P. IT ADDS A 
1/3000 SECOND SHUTTER AND A BUILT-IN FLASH WITH 28MM COVERAGE AND EXCELLENT (EASY) TTL 
FLASH FILL.

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Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)

2002-05-06 Thread frank theriault

Hi, Aaron,

Geez, I learned to stay out of the way for that stuff!  Sample
conversation:

Frank, what flowers do you like?
Hmmm, I like the pretty blue ones.
No, I think we'll go with something else.
Okay

Frank, what should we do for a wedding cake?
I like chocolate.
For a wedding cake?  Silly, we'll have the white-cake with the champagne
glasses between the layers.
Okay.

After that, she stopped asking.

Seriously, I know you're busy, but hope to see you for a bit, if you can
afford the time.  1:00 at C'Est What, this Saturday is what was suggested,
and I haven't heard any nay-sayers.  Hey, if no one else shows, I'll just
have to drink alone!  Hey baby, wanna see my new Sigma Zoom?  ;-)

regards,
frank

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 09:49  PM, frank theriault wrote:
 
  Except for Aaron, everyone seems to like May 11.

 I think I might be able to at least show up for some of it, though we
 are in the final stages of wedding planning, so much of my weekend time
 is consumed with flower and cake choices.

 The 24th is way off-limits, as it is likely gonna be my geek bachelor
 party.

 -Aaron
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re: Rear lens caps

2002-05-06 Thread Joseph Tainter

 You can buy lens caps from Pentax, along with many other things.
 
Ha! PentaxUSA once charged me $10.00 for a ZX remote control cover.
(Well, the camera was new and I was trying to keep it intact.) Then (as
a joke?) they mailed it in an enormous box.

Try KEH.

Joe
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Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)

2002-05-06 Thread Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)


 On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 09:49  PM, frank theriault wrote:
 
  Except for Aaron, everyone seems to like May 11.
 
 I think I might be able to at least show up for some of it, though we 
 are in the final stages of wedding planning, so much of my weekend time 
 is consumed with flower and cake choices.

I have an idea. Why don't we all go cake tasting.

 
 The 24th is way off-limits, as it is likely gonna be my geek bachelor 
 party.

Are we invited to take some compromising shots?
 
 -Aaron

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Re: Which Ricoh Program body? (was: Re: Exposure Lock on ME Super?)

2002-05-06 Thread Nitin Garg

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:13:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'll reply in all caps, point by point:
 
 Nitin Garg wrote:
 
  Built in winder on xr-m (+ for me, - for paul. he prefers to attach winder 
 if needed). 
 
 YEP. YOU CAN THUS SEE THE WIND LEVER MOVING, FOR REASSURANCE. AND YOU
 CAN CHOOSE TO ADD A BATTERY-LADEN MOTOR, FOR HEFT, OR SIMPLY USE THE
 FEATHERWEIGHT GRIP, WITH ITS EXCELLENT AUXIILIARY SHUTTER RELEASE.

that is true :) At times i do wish the xr-m weighed like the xr-p :)

 
 spot-metering in xr-m. not in xr-p. xr-m also has backlight compensation but 
 thats usually better done yourself. 
 
 THESE AND OTHER XR-M/XR-X FEATURES ARE ALSO FOUND ON THE XR-M'S
 REPLACEMENT, THE XRX-3P. ALSO, THESE TWO MODELS, UNLIKE THE XR-P, SHOW
 YOU THE SHUTTER SPEED ON A TOP-PANEL LCD. 

xr-x3p is a little more harder to obtain than xr-m and is not as cheap.
Which is why i dont have it :)

 
 The caveat ofcourse is getting program lenses (ricoh P lenses) is not 
 easy. 
 
 TRUE, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE IT, YOU HAVE IT. THE 50/2 IS A FINE LENS AND
 WIDELY AVAILABLE IN P, THOUGH IT WAS NEVER MULTICOATED. THE P 50/1.4
 IS SCARCER THAN A PENTAX 50/1.2; I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE FOR SALE IN THREE
 MONTHS OF LOOKING.

You didnt look well enough :) I got mine less than 3 months ago. Pentax
50/1.2 doesnt seem scarce. KEH has 3 of them listed.

 
 CONCLUSION: ALL PROGRAM RICOHS OFFER TTL FLASH AND EASY VERTICAL
 SHOOTING. IF YOU LIKE THE CLASSIC CAMERA FEEL AND OPERATION OR MUST
 HAVE THE APERTURE WINDOW, GET THE XR-P. IF YOU PREFER MODERN
 AMENITIES, SKIP THE XR-M/XR-X AND GO FOR AN XR-X 3P. IT ADDS A 1/3000
 SECOND SHUTTER AND A BUILT-IN FLASH WITH 28MM COVERAGE AND EXCELLENT
 (EASY) TTL FLASH FILL.

Theres one on ebay right now heheh
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