Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Brad Dobo


- Original Message -
From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n


 My second TTL flash is the AF330FTZ. Also a great flash. Prolly the
smallest
 of the Pentax BIG flashes (ie-greater than GN30/m), someone correct me
if
 I'm wrong. No bounce or swivel but it does have a zoom head. Doesn't eat
 batteries like the 500. I shot football with it all last season got great
 pix at 1600iso.

You are not wrong, I used to have the AF330FTZ, and found it quite useful on
my MZ-5n.


 The AF360FGZ will be my fourth TTL flash. Even though it does not have a
 swivel head (it does have bounce), I am still going to get it. Two main
 reasons. 1, I intend to get an MZ-S sometime and will want to be able to
use
 the advanced flash functions available with that body. And 2, I like to
use
 the older bodies as well (ie- K1000) and this flash will be able to be
used
 effortlessly on them because it also has an AUTO mode.

I must say I *love* the AF360FGZ, especially since I own the MZ-S.  Some
complain about this more advanced flash not having the power of the 500, but
I've found for my uses anyway, the gn of 36 is fine.  Of course we all dream
of a 150gn in metres or does Nikon already have one? :)

 As far as stealth is concerned the 330ftz would prolly be the best bet, as
 far as flashes are concerned. But I tend to agree with Debra if it's
 imparative that you be unnoticed spend your money on fast glass and go
 available light.

I don't understand the stealth part?  Is it invisible on radar?  Perhaps
Bruce can use it with his military spec. DSLR :)  (Sorry Bruce, just a
little ribbing, couldn't help it when I saw stealth :)

Brad Dobo




Re: Monopod advice

2002-09-30 Thread Brad Dobo

Ray, that's a fantastic question.  I was naive when I bought my Manfrotto
silver monopod.  It just wasn't tall enough and I was bent over trying to
use it.  I'm 6' 2.  With all this monopod support, and it's relative
cheapness, I think I'll look for one that suits my height, can be used as a
weapon g, and is black (but not for reflections, as everyone knows I pick
black for vanity reasons :)).  I don't care about the weight, so I'll get a
rugged one.

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: Monopod advice



 Dan:

 From what I’ve read so far no one has asked you this question:

 How tall are you?

 I have a Bogen 3218 monopod, weighs about 2 pounds, a heavy-duty unit.
But I didn’t pick it for its durability; I picked it because I’m 6 feet 1
inch tall.  I didn’t want to put up with the problem of stooping to take a
shot when I’m standing, thus losing some of the stability provided by the
monopod.

 There’s a lighter Bogen monopod, the 3216, that weighs around a pound.
Compared to my Bogen tripod, the 3218 isn’t that heavy, but after lugging it
around for a while I wonder if I could’ve sacrificed the height for a pound
less weight with the 3216.  I could’ve made the shorter pod just tall enough
with my choice of a head.  So keep that in mind when you’re calculating the
total height.

 I would recommend a black monopod because it’ll be one less reflection to
deal with.  One time I had a aluminum tripod and it was causing a
distracting reflection in a white tombstone.  So now I own a tripod and a
monopod, both in black.

 Best,

 Ray







OT-MF 35mm scanners, cheap.....

2002-09-30 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Go to:
http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk

They have the Minolta multi for about £1000, new.  The 35mm
versions are from £200.  All plus VAT for UK  EU residents.  
Look under Digital Imaging  Film scanners on the left hand
menu.

mike




RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!

2002-09-30 Thread Cotty

From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You may want to keep that pie after all?

While I am certainly happy for you 4.5x6 folks, and hope this turns into a
real product, I still didn't earn the pie since it's not a Pentax product
and certainly not a K mount DSLR.

No, I think Bruce is perfectly within his rights to decline the pie. 
Perhaps some of us (me included) should remove the rose-tinted specs from 
time to time and take on board er, a slightly more pragmatic view g.

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Re: C41 B W film

2002-09-30 Thread Anthony Farr

- Original Message -
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(snip)

 You should bear in mind though, that many processors will automatically
 assume you want it printed sepia - hey why else would you use black and
 whitre, eh?  Ideally you want it printed on true BW paper, but failing
 that I would recommend giving the printer an example of the sort of
 colouration you want - and stress NOT SEPIA!!!


Well, actually, you do usually begin with a sepia toned print.  Reason one
is that the sepia gives a good base colour for fleshtones and natural
features like stone and soil.  Reason two is that the maximum black is
reduced and is thus easier to colour over.  Reason three is to get enhanced
archival property, assuming of course that you use genuine BW paper and not
a sepia balanced colour print.

Look at your grandparents (or great grandparents) wedding photos or other
studio portraits from 1950s and earlier, and you'll find them to be hand
coloured sepia prints.

  -Original Message-
  From: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

(snip)
 
  Has anyone hand coloured B  W prints and which is the better
  papers to have it printed on. I dont have any oils as yet and
  will be using the Derwent pencils from my art school days,
  would this work. I will seal it after I'm done.
 

I doubt that the pencils will apply satisfactorily to the surface of many
papers, and especially not to the resin coated aka plastic emulsion papers
that are used almost exclusively by consumer labs.  The best paper type
would be a smooth matte surfaced fibre based paper, and you will look long
and hard to find a lab to make prints on that material.

The best hand colourant is liquid photo dye that is usually swabbed or
painted on like a watercolour wash.  Diluted colour inks may work too, but
it's preferable that the colourant uses tranparent/translucent pigments.
Most pencils/pastels/paints use opaque pigments and you would find yourself
obscuring the details of the original print.  I have a set of Cibachrome
retouching dyes (I guess they're now Ilfochrome retouching dyes if they're
still sold) that are perfect for hand colouring, 'though I've only ever used
them for retouching colour prints.  If they're still in business Marshalls
are a good brand of colouring dyes.

OTOH most photo-colourists now use Photoshop or a similar image editing
software.

Regards,
Anthony Farr






Re: Monopod advice

2002-09-30 Thread frank theriault

Hi, Brad,

My Manfrotto 679B is 62, and with the el-cheapo head is 64.  With a camera on
it, the viewfinder is almost exactly at eye level, and I'm 6 feet even.  As a
matter of fact, it was for those extra 2 inches that I got the head (and is handy
to have that tilt for vertical shots).

As someone said, at around $60 Cdn for a decent one, they're one of the best
bargains in photographic accessories.  Even though I don't use it that often
(maybe twice a year), it's money well invested.  It'll last forever, and unless I
lose it, it'll be the only one I ever need.

regards,
frank

Brad Dobo wrote:

 Ray, that's a fantastic question.  I was naive when I bought my Manfrotto
 silver monopod.  It just wasn't tall enough and I was bent over trying to
 use it.  I'm 6' 2.  With all this monopod support, and it's relative
 cheapness, I think I'll look for one that suits my height, can be used as a
 weapon g, and is black (but not for reflections, as everyone knows I pick
 black for vanity reasons :)).  I don't care about the weight, so I'll get a
 rugged one.


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Re: OT-MF 35mm scanners, cheap.....

2002-09-30 Thread Mishka

check this out:

http://www.tristatecamera.com/lookat.php3?sid=sku=MINDSMIIstore=4levels=0
0070011st=0cs=store.php3

mishka

- Original Message -
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:22 AM
Subject: OT-MF  35mm scanners, cheap.


 Hi,

 Go to:
 http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk

 They have the Minolta multi for about £1000, new.  The 35mm
 versions are from £200.  All plus VAT for UK  EU residents.
 Look under Digital Imaging  Film scanners on the left hand
 menu.

 mike








RE: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n (Now it's long)

2002-09-30 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Mishka wrote:
 Sunpak 433 (i think) is ttl

Hi Mishka, Pat, et al.,

Actually, the Sunpak 433D will ~not~ support TTL on the MZ/ZX bodies -- like
Pat's ZX-5n.  (I don't believe it will support TTL on any earlier bodies
either.)  However, the Sunpak 444D ~will~ support TTL on these bodies.  I
actually have both a 433D and a 444D.

The 433D has two contacts on the foot -- a center one that fires the flash,
and an offset one that signals the body when the flash is ready.  The 444D
has three contacts on the foot -- a center one to fire the flash, one offset
one that sends a flash ready signal to the body, and a second offset one
that receives a flash quench signal from the body.  This quench contact is
the one that allows for TTL capability.

The 433D and 444D are both great flashes for the money, IMHO.  Guide number
120 (in feet), bounce and swivel, three auto modes, five variable power
output settings in manual mode (full power, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, and 1/16) -- plus
TTL mode on the 444D.  You can purchase different dedicated modules for the
444D to support operation on different brands of camera bodies.  Sunpak
accessories for off-camera flash are considerably cheaper than the
corresponding Pentax accessories for, e.g., the 280T.  Finally, the 444D is
in current production, whereas the Pentax AF280T is not.

Hope this helps.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




Re: RE: C41 B W film

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

I keep a roll of Kodak 400CN in the bag as backup
and have shot 5-6 rolls over the year.I find it pleasing,
yes maybe a bit contrasty,but thats find for me:)
I get the lab to print the proofs on colour paper for two
reasons:
1-Its cheaper by $0.10 a print
2-Sometimes i get a nice sepia print out of it.

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Kodak seems to
have a higher contrast and more dramatic effect, whereas the Ilford is
more 'creamy'.  I absolutely love the Ilford.

You should bear in mind though, that many processors will 
automatically
assume you want it printed sepia - hey why else would you use black 
and
whitre, eh?  Ideally you want it printed on true BW paper, but 
failing
that I would recommend giving the printer an example of the sort of
colouration you want - and stress NOT SEPIA!!!




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Re: Re: C41 B W film

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

The 1 hour lab near me can print(but not process) BW negs
and they use a BW paper.I forget what they use,i have no 
proofs in the office with me to check.
He usually does the BW at the end of the day,as he has to change
over tanks etc i suppose.Only has glossy paper,i wish he could do 
matte though.
Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've used Ilford's XP2 and Kodak's T400CN and Select B+W.

The Select blows. However, I believe any minilab can make the prints 
LOOK
like BWs, whereas with the other two they'll come out with a sepia or
greenish tone (T400CN) or greenish purpilish tone (XP2 Super).

Except, a real lab can take either of the latter and print it to true 
BW
paper and give you a print that looks like a true BW print.

I don't remember if I had a preference between the T400CN or the XP2
Super. Sorry. However, I can say they worked, and worked well enough.

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Rob:Re: 645 ?

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

Hi Rob.
I did not win the item.You can place your item on ebay
Thanks for the offer.

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RE: Monopod advice

2002-09-30 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Doug Franklin wrote:
 I have a Bogen/Manfrotto 3218 (black, three section) that I use with a
 3262 ball head

Hi Dan,

Ditto -- I've got the same combination as Doug.  (I think the Manfrotto part
number for the monopod is 434B.)  I use mine in exactly the situation you
envision for your own use -- pictures of my grandchildren in school plays,
etc., shot from the audience.  Allows me to steady a K body and SMC-A
70-210/4 quite nicely, and doesn't have near the footprint of a tripod.  I
often shoot with just the pod and no head -- generally when shooting
outdoors -- but that restricts you to landscape-format shots.

Hope this helps.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




Re: OT-MF 35mm scanners, cheap.....

2002-09-30 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Mishka wrote:

 Even cheaper scanners from Tristate

and the Americans _still_ wonder why so many people hate
them? (Joke...)

Besides, once all the postage, taxes and import duties have been
paid, it will work out to about the same price.

An MF scanner for half price is highly tempting, though.  If
only someone would buy my Craposcan.

mike




Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Nick Wright

The only thing that I will miss with the 360fgz is
having a swivel head. But then again, with wireless
TTL this is fairly easy to overcome.

Nick Wright
wrightfoto.com

--- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I must say I *love* the AF360FGZ, especially since I
 own the MZ-S.  Some
 complain about this more advanced flash not having
 the power of the 500, but
 I've found for my uses anyway, the gn of 36 is fine.
  Of course we all dream
 of a 150gn in metres or does Nikon already have one?
 :)


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Totally OT: need pointers on Handycam

2002-09-30 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal

Hi all,

Here is yet another OT post! I am looking to buy a cheap video
camera since my wife feels they are closer to capturing human
emotions than my ME Super.

Any pointers on where to find more information. I don't know
anything about them, other than they are either analog or
digital. And there is optical zoom and digital zoom. I am looking
to buy one for less than $500, could stretch to $700 if I end up
postponing for another 2-3 months. These are new prices. If I
can locate a used one, then my budget would be scaled down
propotionately.

Any mailing-lists, websites, would really be helpful. Of course,
if you could tell what you guys use then nothing better than
that :)

Thanks,
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RE: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Maris Lidaka wrote:
 A reasonable alternative would be the Epson 1650 flatbed with a
 transparency adapter

Hi Maris,

Interesting that you bring this up.  I was just looking at some Epson
scanners the other day, as I need capability for scanning medium format.
(My current Canon flatbed handles 35mm at up to 2400 dpi.)  The Epson
1650/1660 and Epson 2450 seem to be two reasonable options.  Looks like the
2450 is running somewhere in the neighborhood of US $400 or thereabouts,
while the 1650/1660 with optional transparency scanner is in the
neighborhood of US $280.

Do you -- or anyone else for that matter -- have personal experience with
the Epson 1650/1660 for medium- or large-format scanning?  Other than the
difference in optical resolution (1600 dpi for the 1650/1660 vs. 2400 dpi
for the 2450), are there any significant performance differences between
these two models?  I'm particularly interested if the optional transparency
adapter for the 1650/1660 is any better/worse than the built-in adapter for
the 2450.  Any information you might have would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




Re[2]: OT-MF 35mm scanners, cheap.....

2002-09-30 Thread Mike Ignatiev

Guys,
Have anyone tried these scanners? I am curious how it stacks up against Epson? The 
optical resolution (spec) here is 1200dpi, so I am curious, even at $800, is it worth 
it?

Mishka

 From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT-MF  35mm scanners, cheap.
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Go to:
  http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk
 
  They have the Minolta multi for about £1000, new.  The 35mm
  versions are from £200.  All plus VAT for UK  EU residents.
  Look under Digital Imaging  Film scanners on the left hand
  menu.
 
  mike
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




FS: LX and more

2002-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Seeing as how we were having List problems on Friday and I wasn't sure
whether stuff was going to get through - I'll post this stuff today.

My apologies to any who are offended by the For Sale on a Monday rather
than on the usual Friday.

Here we go:

1.  Pentax LX - in KEH EX+ to LN- condition - comes with FA-1 finder,
standard split microprism screen (SC-21) and mint condition Leather LX case
(includes box for case), original instruction manual and extra SE-20
Screen.  The only issue is the SE-20 screen has a bit of a mark on it in
the top left corner and does not hinder the critical focus mid point.  New
batteries just put into the LX - I've used this for the past 5 months and
all speeds are accurate with no sticky mirror syndrome - 
$640.00 CDN or $420.00 USD

2.  Sigma 90mm f2.8 Macro in K-mount - in KEH EX- condition - metal
construction except for the aperture ring - an excellent lens for 1:2 macro
and portraiture.  An all around solid lens that takes shots like this:
http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=17106
52mm filter size.
$165.00 CDN or $110.00 USD


More to come later.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread dick graham

The Sunpack 444D is a good third party  alternative value. Tilt and swivel 
head, femovable diffuser that's good out to 135mm.  TTL, auto and manual 
with manual adjustment for fill flash.  Plenty of power.

DG



At 05:04 PM 9/28/02 -0400, you wrote:
Geez, there are all sorts of Pentax ones and 3rd party ones.  Guess it
depends on your needs.  I'd prefer a flash with decent power, that has IR
AF-assist, among many other things.  I picked up the AF360FGZ when I got my
MS-S.  I used to own the AF330, when I owned the MZ-5n.  Hopefully someone
will add a little more than my thin knowledge of flashs. :)

Brad Dobo
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From: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n


  Hi all-
 
  Was looking for suggestions on a hot shoe flash for
  the Zx-5n. Open to Pentax  3rd party suggestions.
 
  Thanks,
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Re: FS: LX and more

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

Great shot Davis,the lens looks fine:)
If only i was not saving for a MF camera.Might be interested
in the 90 though.I'll have to ponder.

Dave

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:24:05 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FS: LX and more


Seeing as how we were having List problems on Friday and I wasn't sure
whether stuff was going to get through - I'll post this stuff today.

My apologies to any who are offended by the For Sale on a Monday 
rather
than on the usual Friday.

Here we go:

1.  Pentax LX - in KEH EX+ to LN- condition - comes with FA-1 finder,
standard split microprism screen (SC-21) and mint condition Leather 
LX case
(includes box for case), original instruction manual and extra SE-20
Screen.  The only issue is the SE-20 screen has a bit of a mark on it 
in
the top left corner and does not hinder the critical focus mid 
point.  New
batteries just put into the LX - I've used this for the past 5 months 
and
all speeds are accurate with no sticky mirror syndrome - 
$640.00 CDN or $420.00 USD

2.  Sigma 90mm f2.8 Macro in K-mount - in KEH EX- condition - metal
construction except for the aperture ring - an excellent lens for 1:2 
macro
and portraiture.  An all around solid lens that takes shots like this:
http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=17106
52mm filter size.
$165.00 CDN or $110.00 USD


More to come later.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: FS: LX and more

2002-09-30 Thread Mike Ignatiev

what the serial # on the LX?

mishka

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:24:05 -0400
Subject: FS: LX and more

 
 Seeing as how we were having List problems on Friday and I wasn't sure
 whether stuff was going to get through - I'll post this stuff today.
 
 My apologies to any who are offended by the For Sale on a Monday rather
 than on the usual Friday.
 
 Here we go:
 
 1.  Pentax LX - in KEH EX+ to LN- condition - comes with FA-1 finder,
 standard split microprism screen (SC-21) and mint condition Leather LX case
 (includes box for case), original instruction manual and extra SE-20
 Screen.  The only issue is the SE-20 screen has a bit of a mark on it in
 the top left corner and does not hinder the critical focus mid point.  New
 batteries just put into the LX - I've used this for the past 5 months and
 all speeds are accurate with no sticky mirror syndrome - 
 $640.00 CDN or $420.00 USD
 
 2.  Sigma 90mm f2.8 Macro in K-mount - in KEH EX- condition - metal
 construction except for the aperture ring - an excellent lens for 1:2 macro
 and portraiture.  An all around solid lens that takes shots like this:
 http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=17106
 52mm filter size.
 $165.00 CDN or $110.00 USD
 
 
 More to come later.
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
 
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RE: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread t44tq

Bill-
I'm not sure where you got your prices, but I purchased
an Epson 1660 Photo for $180 at Circuit City a few weeks
ago.

I'd definitely say this one is a keeper for the price- scans
at 1600dpi (35mm negatives) come out quite nice, although making
sure the negatives are dust free and clean is rather difficult.

I haven't printed from it yet and will do so in the coming weeks,
once I get some of my negatives scanned and burned to CD so I
can print at my friend's place on his Epson printer (2450?).

Another one to consider is the 2400- has the resolution of
the 2450 without all of the features, still has a transparency
adapter IIRC. Should be about $50 less than the $400 2450.

I tried the Canon 1250U2F before the Epson- the software in the
Canon was nicer, I thought, and it came with more bundled software,
but the scans were nowhere near the quality of the Epson, although
the Epson was $30 more and that has to be taken into consideration.

I don't use med/lg. format, so I can't speak to the suitability of
these scanners for that purpose, but I hope this info is useful to
someone. I haven't bought a dedicated film scanner due to lack of
funds and am pleasantly surprised that this flatbed seems to be adequate
enough at least for reviewing photos and small prints, which was my
intended purpose (will print 8x10s the conventional way, once I figure
out which photos are worthy from the Lime Rock Vintage Festival).

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Re: FS: LX and more

2002-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mike,

I don't have the camera here with me at work.
I'll probably drop home in about an hour and get the serial # for you.  

Cheers,
Dave


Original Message:
-
From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:44:26 +0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FS: LX and more


what the serial # on the LX?

mishka

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:24:05 -0400
Subject: FS: LX and more

 
 Seeing as how we were having List problems on Friday and I wasn't sure
 whether stuff was going to get through - I'll post this stuff today.
 
 My apologies to any who are offended by the For Sale on a Monday rather
 than on the usual Friday.
 
 Here we go:
 
 1.  Pentax LX - in KEH EX+ to LN- condition - comes with FA-1 finder,
 standard split microprism screen (SC-21) and mint condition Leather LX
case
 (includes box for case), original instruction manual and extra SE-20
 Screen.  The only issue is the SE-20 screen has a bit of a mark on it in
 the top left corner and does not hinder the critical focus mid point.  New
 batteries just put into the LX - I've used this for the past 5 months and
 all speeds are accurate with no sticky mirror syndrome - 
 $640.00 CDN or $420.00 USD
 
 2.  Sigma 90mm f2.8 Macro in K-mount - in KEH EX- condition - metal
 construction except for the aperture ring - an excellent lens for 1:2
macro
 and portraiture.  An all around solid lens that takes shots like this:
 http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=17106
 52mm filter size.
 $165.00 CDN or $110.00 USD
 
 
 More to come later.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.

I have only the Epson 1200 so I couldn't venture an opinion on the
differences between the 1650/1660 and 2450.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650


 Maris Lidaka wrote:
  A reasonable alternative would be the Epson 1650 flatbed with a
  transparency adapter

 Hi Maris,

 Interesting that you bring this up.  I was just looking at some Epson
 scanners the other day, as I need capability for scanning medium format.
 (My current Canon flatbed handles 35mm at up to 2400 dpi.)  The Epson
 1650/1660 and Epson 2450 seem to be two reasonable options.  Looks like
the
 2450 is running somewhere in the neighborhood of US $400 or thereabouts,
 while the 1650/1660 with optional transparency scanner is in the
 neighborhood of US $280.

 Do you -- or anyone else for that matter -- have personal experience with
 the Epson 1650/1660 for medium- or large-format scanning?  Other than the
 difference in optical resolution (1600 dpi for the 1650/1660 vs. 2400 dpi
 for the 2450), are there any significant performance differences between
 these two models?  I'm particularly interested if the optional
transparency
 adapter for the 1650/1660 is any better/worse than the built-in adapter
for
 the 2450.  Any information you might have would be greatly appreciated!

 Thanks in advance,

 Bill Peifer
 Rochester, NY






NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread MacBurt

Is it possible to number the topics and corresponding subject messages. This is a VERY 
DIFFICULT site to read. See Nikon site for example of ease of use. One must read all 
of this to get to one subject.
Thanks,
Burt Yust
NYC
USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Taka wrote:
 I'm not sure where you got your prices, but I purchased
 an Epson 1660 Photo for $180 at Circuit City a few weeks
 ago

Hi Taka,

That's the price I saw also, but it doesn't include the optional
transparency adapter necessary for medium- and large-format transparencies
-- an additional $100 option.  However, the standard $180 model will do 35mm
scans out-of-the-box.

 Another one to consider is the 2400

You're correct about its improved optical resolution (2400 dpi vs. the 1600
dpi of the 1660).  However, I believe the 2400 will not accommodate medium-
and large-format transparencies, which is the only reason I'm considering
upgrading from my current scanner.

Again, thanks for the information, Taka.

Regards,

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




RE: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk



Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS


Is it possible to number the topics and corresponding subject messages. This
is a VERY DIFFICULT site to read. See Nikon site for example of ease of use.
One must read all of this to get to one subject.
Thanks,
Burt Yust
NYC
USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS


 Is it possible to number the topics and corresponding subject
messages. This is a VERY DIFFICULT site to read. See Nikon site
for example of ease of use. One must read all of this to get to
one subject.

I suppose that is because this is an emai list, not a website.

William Robb




Re: Rollei was the biggest news at Photokina!

2002-09-30 Thread Evan Hanson

Didn't Rollei make one of these before called the Rolleiflexwide or
something?

Evan


From: Robert Soames Wetmore  1. A wide-angle 50mm Rolleiflex TLR!
Simply awesome news.  I finally have
 a good reason to upgrade from my Yashica TLR.  I'm drooling like a fool
 right now.



 Robert Soames Wetmore





Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Pentxuser

I use a PZ1 and currently have the AF330FTZ. It works nicely but with no 
bounce capability it can be a little limiting. Just today I found a AF500FTZ 
used (but virtually brand new complete with box for $320 Cdn. Grabbed it 
quick. I think the extra money for the power and the swivel (as well as the 
built-in slave unit) is worth the cost. 
PS. Is anyone using the 500FTZ with an LX. That's my main camera system. I 
suspect, knowing Pentax, it is completely backward compatible

Vic 

In a message dated 9/30/02 1:48:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  My second TTL flash is the AF330FTZ. Also a great flash. Prolly the

smallest

 of the Pentax BIG flashes (ie-greater than GN30/m), someone correct me

if

 I'm wrong. No bounce or swivel but it does have a zoom head. Doesn't eat

 batteries like the 500. I shot football with it all last season got great

 pix at 1600iso.


You are not wrong, I used to have the AF330FTZ, and found it quite useful on

my MZ-5n.



 The AF360FGZ will be my fourth TTL flash. Even though it does not have a

 swivel head (it does have bounce), I am still going to get it. Two main

 reasons. 1, I intend to get an MZ-S sometime and will want to be able to

use

 the advanced flash functions available with that body. And 2, I like to

use

 the older bodies as well (ie- K1000) and this flash will be able to be

used

 effortlessly on them because it also has an AUTO mode.


I must say I *love* the AF360FGZ, especially since I own the MZ-S.  Some

complain about this more advanced flash not having the power of the 500, but

I've found for my uses anyway, the gn of 36 is fine.  Of course we all dream

of a 150gn in metres or does Nikon already have one? :)


 As far as stealth is concerned the 330ftz would prolly be the best bet, as

 far as flashes are concerned. But I tend to agree with Debra if it's

 imparative that you be unnoticed spend your money on fast glass and go

 available light.


I don't understand the stealth part?  Is it invisible on radar?  Perhaps

Bruce can use it with his military spec. DSLR :)  (Sorry Bruce, just a

little ribbing, couldn't help it when I saw stealth :)


Brad Dobo

 




RE: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Raivo Tiikmaa



PS. Is anyone using the 500FTZ with an LX. That's my main camera
system. I 
suspect, knowing Pentax, it is completely backward compatible


No , it´s not.  The TTL system is not working with LX , because of
digital design of 500FTZ.


Regards , raivo




Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Pentxuser


In a message dated 9/30/02 10:02:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 No , it´s not.  The TTL system is not working with LX , because of

digital design of 500FTZ.

 

Really that's surprising. I think I've used  the 330 with the LX with no 
problems, Is there a difference?




RE: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Rob Brigham

This wouldn't be a wind up would it?  Someone wanting a 'digital'
list...?

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 30 September 2002 17:53
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS
 
 
 Oh no.  Now our list is not as good as Nikon's.  If we talk 
 about the PDML's deficiencies, maybe that will take our minds 
 off of the whole Photokina thing.
 
 What Nikon site would that be?
 www.nikon.com ?)
 www.nikon.jp ?
 Pray tell. Not that I'm likely to go and look, mind.
 ---
 Wendy Beard
 Mosaid Technologies Inc
 
 
 
 
 
 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
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Re: SMC M100mm f2.8...

2002-09-30 Thread Albano_Garcia


A great little lens. Compact, fast, sharp, great bokeh. I love mine
Regards

Albano






Re: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

William Robb wrote:
 
 Perhaps they will show it at the Ulan Bator show.
 
Isn't that show scheduled for Timbuktu this time around?

;^)Bill

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Re[4]: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

Vic,

So how much would you want to trade your 500FTZ for my almost brand
new (I bought it new and never use it) AF280T?


Bruce



Monday, September 30, 2002, 9:56:20 AM, you wrote:

Pac Yes Bruce you are right. That is what I was thinking. I knew the flashes were 
Pac compatible one way or another. This gets me thinking whether I should keep 
Pac the 500FTZ or get the 280T instead and use it with the PZ1. The 500 does have 
Pac some nice features though...
Pac Any thoughts...
Pac Vic 


Pac In a message dated 9/30/02 10:57:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Pac  If the discharge and flash recycle times are the same for both tests,
Pac then the flash is not working in TTL with that body.  By Pentax's own
Pac design, the digital units will not work with the analog bodies (LX,
Pac SuperProgram).  However, the analog flash units will work with the
Pac digital bodies.  The beauty there is that the AF280T will work with
Pac any body made by Pentax.  From the K1000 to the MZ-S.


Bruce 




RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!

2002-09-30 Thread tom

Anyone know what the deal is with this chip? 645-sized or smaller?
Performance in low light?

tv

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:56 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!


 Reports suggest that this back will also work on older 645
 systems and
 expect the use of the KAF-22000CE CCD 22 mp chip.

  -Original Message-
  From: Jim Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 30 September 2002 05:34
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO
 YOUR HATS!!!
 
 
  Hope this option will work with the original 645 and not just
  the later models.  But I will wait for the smaller insert
  when and if it materializes. Jim A.
 
   From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Organization: AudioBias Systems Engineering
   Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:53:06 +1000
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO
 YOUR HATS!!!
   Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:54:26 -0400
  
   On 29 Sep 2002 at 22:16, Rob Brigham wrote:
  
   http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml
  
   I'm glad to see that this option is in the pipeline, it's
  pretty sad
   to see that a third part manufacturer beat Pentax to the
  punch though.
  
   Cheers,
  
   Rob Studdert
   HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
   Tel +61-2-9554-4110
   UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Re[2]: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Bruce Dayton wrote:
 I guess I should give a few quick words about the 2450 as I have had
 my second one now for a couple of weeks.  I have about 300 scans on
 it so far.  I am having much better luck with this new unit

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for that update.  I knew you were considering a second shot at the
2450.  Good to hear that your experiences with this new one are positive.
Perhaps I'll keep an eye on prices for the time being.  The difference
between my two options now is only $120 -- still a not-insignificant chunk
of change.  However, if Epson has any rebate programs, that $120 cost
differential may decrease.

Thanks again,

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




A 400/5.6

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

Over the last two weekends, I have been using and comparing my A
400/5.6 lens to my FA *200/2.8 using a 1.5XL Converter and a Tamron 2X
AF converter.  The obvious advantage to the 200 package is mobility. I
have that lens with me anyway and the size and weight of converter
isn't too much.  Also I get to retain AF with the converter and the
200 where the 400mm is a manual focus lens.

I think that the images shot with the 200+Tamron 2X lose some contrast
and possibly some edge sharpness (isn't hurting the shots I am taking)
compared to the 400.  With the 1.5XL I don't see any obvious
differences.

My dilemma is this - I rarely carry the 400 - has it's own round
tubular case with carrying strap.  I almost always opt for the 200 and
converters.  That all fits in my normal carrying case.  I haven't
found a great need for the 400mm but am a little hesitant to sell it.
I could really use a new Quantum QFlash T2 and the money from the 400
would help towards that end.

So are there any opinions on the list as to hanging onto this lens vs.
selling or any interested parties?

Thanks,


 Bruce




Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Brad Dobo

Yes, one can wonder why Pentax comes out with a new flash for it's new
camera, then makes it less powerfull, and takes away a popular feature like
the swivel head.  I still love it, but someone in Pentax needs a beating. :)

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n


 The only thing that I will miss with the 360fgz is
 having a swivel head. But then again, with wireless
 TTL this is fairly easy to overcome.

 Nick Wright
 wrightfoto.com

 --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I must say I *love* the AF360FGZ, especially since I
  own the MZ-S.  Some
  complain about this more advanced flash not having
  the power of the 500, but
  I've found for my uses anyway, the gn of 36 is fine.
   Of course we all dream
  of a 150gn in metres or does Nikon already have one?
  :)


 __
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 New DSL Internet Access from SBC  Yahoo!
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Re: [2]: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

So you did cave in eh BrucegGlad to hear this ones
better.I just widh i did not have to cut my MF 
negs to scan them.Oh and i wish my daughter had her
own computer.I think i have only done 40-50 scans
in 6 months:)

Dave
 Begin Original Message 


Bruce Dayton wrote:
 I guess I should give a few quick words about the 2450 as I have had
 my second one now for a couple of weeks.  I have about 300 scans on
 it so far.  I am having much better luck with this new unit




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Re: Wide angle digital - was: So?

2002-09-30 Thread Patrick White


If this has made sense to you so far, remember that the light from a wide 
angle lens will fall 'straight down' on the film for objects in the center of 
the field of view, but will strike at a big angle for objects at the edge of 
the film... 

This is all valid reasoning.  However, since the minimum distance between the 
rearmost element and the film is fixed (on A Pentax K-mount, about 40mm), 
wouldn't this reasoning affect all lenses with a focal length of =40mm?

thanks,
patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED])




Re: Less than 27 hours to go....

2002-09-30 Thread William Johnson

1  A*135/f1.8
2  K200/f2.5
3  FA*200/f4 Macro EDIF


William in Utah.









Re[2]: [2]: Negative/slide scanner -- and the Epson 1650

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

David,

So how are you cutting your negs.  I store mine in neg pages that hold
up to 3 in a strip.  That works just fine in the scanner without
further cutting.  What are you doing?


Bruce



Monday, September 30, 2002, 11:22:13 AM, you wrote:

DB So you did cave in eh BrucegGlad to hear this ones
DB better.I just widh i did not have to cut my MF 
DB negs to scan them.Oh and i wish my daughter had her
DB own computer.I think i have only done 40-50 scans
DB in 6 months:)

DB Dave
DB  Begin Original Message 


DB Bruce Dayton wrote:
 I guess I should give a few quick words about the 2450 as I have had
 my second one now for a couple of weeks.  I have about 300 scans on
 it so far.  I am having much better luck with this new unit




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Re: A 400/5.6

2002-09-30 Thread Rüdiger Neumann

Hallo,
what 1.5x converter you are using. The Kenko AF Konverter?
regards
Rüdiger


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: Montag, 30. September 2002 19:52
Betreff: A 400/5.6


Over the last two weekends, I have been using and comparing my A
400/5.6 lens to my FA *200/2.8 using a 1.5XL Converter and a Tamron 2X
AF converter.  The obvious advantage to the 200 package is mobility. I
have that lens with me anyway and the size and weight of converter
isn't too much.  Also I get to retain AF with the converter and the
200 where the 400mm is a manual focus lens.

I think that the images shot with the 200+Tamron 2X lose some contrast
and possibly some edge sharpness (isn't hurting the shots I am taking)
compared to the 400.  With the 1.5XL I don't see any obvious
differences.

My dilemma is this - I rarely carry the 400 - has it's own round
tubular case with carrying strap.  I almost always opt for the 200 and
converters.  That all fits in my normal carrying case.  I haven't
found a great need for the 400mm but am a little hesitant to sell it.
I could really use a new Quantum QFlash T2 and the money from the 400
would help towards that end.

So are there any opinions on the list as to hanging onto this lens vs.
selling or any interested parties?

Thanks,


 Bruce





OT: Voigtlander RF Bodies - any good?

2002-09-30 Thread Camdir

Yippee - I've picked up a reasonably priced flight to Tokyo so plan to obtain 
one of those rather endearing R Olive bodies and a couple of appropriate 
lenses; maybe a 35 1.7 and something else. Any good?

Kind regards

Peter




Re[2]: A 400/5.6

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

Rüdiger,

It is the Pentax Rear Converter-A 1.4X-L.  Even though it has the long
snout on it, it fits the FA*200/2.8 just fine.  The biggest downside
is that I lose AF when I use it.


Bruce



Monday, September 30, 2002, 11:32:11 AM, you wrote:

RN Hallo,
RN what 1.5x converter you are using. The Kenko AF Konverter?
RN regards
RN Rüdiger


RN -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
RN Von: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RN An: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RN Datum: Montag, 30. September 2002 19:52
RN Betreff: A 400/5.6


Over the last two weekends, I have been using and comparing my A
400/5.6 lens to my FA *200/2.8 using a 1.5XL Converter and a Tamron 2X
AF converter.  The obvious advantage to the 200 package is mobility. I
have that lens with me anyway and the size and weight of converter
isn't too much.  Also I get to retain AF with the converter and the
200 where the 400mm is a manual focus lens.

I think that the images shot with the 200+Tamron 2X lose some contrast
and possibly some edge sharpness (isn't hurting the shots I am taking)
compared to the 400.  With the 1.5XL I don't see any obvious
differences.

My dilemma is this - I rarely carry the 400 - has it's own round
tubular case with carrying strap.  I almost always opt for the 200 and
converters.  That all fits in my normal carrying case.  I haven't
found a great need for the 400mm but am a little hesitant to sell it.
I could really use a new Quantum QFlash T2 and the money from the 400
would help towards that end.

So are there any opinions on the list as to hanging onto this lens vs.
selling or any interested parties?

Thanks,


 Bruce





RE: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread tom

I suspect we'll se a AF500FGZ before too longthe smaller flash is
probably a more popular size.

--
Thomas Van Veen Photography
www.bigdayphoto.com
301-758-3085

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n


 Yes, one can wonder why Pentax comes out with a new flash
 for it's new
 camera, then makes it less powerfull, and takes away a
 popular feature like
 the swivel head.  I still love it, but someone in Pentax
 needs a beating. :)

 Brad Dobo
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n


  The only thing that I will miss with the 360fgz is
  having a swivel head. But then again, with wireless
  TTL this is fairly easy to overcome.
 
  Nick Wright
  wrightfoto.com
 
  --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I must say I *love* the AF360FGZ, especially since I
   own the MZ-S.  Some
   complain about this more advanced flash not having
   the power of the 500, but
   I've found for my uses anyway, the gn of 36 is fine.
Of course we all dream
   of a 150gn in metres or does Nikon already have one?
   :)
 
 
  __
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  New DSL Internet Access from SBC  Yahoo!
  http://sbc.yahoo.com
 




RE: Voigtlander RF Bodies - any good?

2002-09-30 Thread tom

I tried the 28/2 and 50/1.7 (1.8?). The 50 was ok - pretty nice, but
nothing to get too excited about. I was quite pleased with the 28,
though mostly due to the lack of distortion which I guess is typical
of RF wides in comparison to SLR wides.

These are the only 2 my friend had, therefore the only ones I tried.

tv

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:56 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT: Voigtlander RF Bodies - any good?


 Yippee - I've picked up a reasonably priced flight to Tokyo
 so plan to obtain
 one of those rather endearing R Olive bodies and a couple
 of appropriate
 lenses; maybe a 35 1.7 and something else. Any good?

 Kind regards

 Peter




Re: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Ryan K. Brooks

Rob Brigham wrote:

Pentax representatives has said that they will show their DSLR next
year - probably at the PMA show -, but I strongly believe that it will
not only be showned, it will be released.

Roland Mabo - on Photozone.de

  

And isn't nice that PMA has a countdown right on their main page:

http://www.pmai.org/

-R






RE: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)

Roland used to take part in this forum, and was always a big Pentax flag waver. For 
people living near the Artic Circle, Pentax releasing new products is an article of 
faith; like the sun will come back. 

From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

..

Roland Mabo - on Photozone.de




October PUG is open

2002-09-30 Thread Adelheid v. K.

Hi *,

the October PUG is ready to go.

Another month with great pics.

Cheers
Adelheid


--
About resizing your pics:

To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me one you
like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope this
is a fair deal.







Re: October PUG is open

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

Sounds fair.Now if i can only remember the cut off
datesG

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:36:33 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: October PUG is open 


--
About resizing your pics:

To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me 
one you
like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope 
this
is a fair deal.






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PUG interpretation

2002-09-30 Thread David Brooks

I need to let the mind go abit on the PUG.I thought
bad weather but not ALL the possibilities.
Some nice shots and interpretations this month
folks.g

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:51:41 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: October PUG is open 


Sounds fair.Now if i can only remember the cut off
datesG

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:36:33 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: October PUG is open 


--
About resizing your pics:

To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me 
one you
like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope 
this
is a fair deal.






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Re: Less than 27 hours to go....

2002-09-30 Thread Tom Davis

Having just lost out on ebay for a A*85/1.4, I'll have to compensate by
dreaming about:

1. A*135/1.8 (to up the ante on my K135/2.5)

2. FA*200/4 Macro EDIF (to up the ante on my A100/2.8 Macro)

3. and then a lens I actually own and love: M150/3.5 (just used it at a
friend's wedding with great results, a great impromptu people lens).

Tom

 From: Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Organization: Universität Hamburg
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:04:49 +0200
 To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Less than 27 hours to go
 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:13:17 -0400
 
 Hello again, dear list members,
 
 have you already voted in the SMC Pentax K-Mount Medium Telephoto Prime
 Lens Poll? If not, please choose your favourite 3 lenses among the SMC
 Pentax K-mount primes with focal length between 120mm and 200mm now.
 
 Please imagine that you have no medium telephoto prime lens for your
 k-mount camera. Also imagine that you have more than enough money (or a
 rich uncle in his spending money mood) and a good opportunity to buy
 Pentax lenses. What SMC Pentax k-mount medium telephoto lens would you
 like to get most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick as your 2nd
 choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens would you pick
 as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not available)?
 Photokina has not brought any new Pentax lens, thus please choose among
 the following lenses:
 
 K120/f2.8
 M120/f2.8
 A*135/f1.8
 K135/f2.5
 A135/f2.8
 F135/f2.8 IF
 FA135/f2.8 IF
 K135/f3.5
 M135/f3.5
 M150/f3.5
 K150/f4
 K200/f2.5
 A*200/f2.8 ED
 FA*200/f2.8 EDIF
 K200/f4
 M200/f4
 A200/f4
 A*200/f4 Macro ED
 FA*200/f4 Macro EDIF
 
 Rules:
 
 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice  (please choose different lenses).
 You may choose less than 3 but not more than 3 choices.
 
 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your
 vote to the PDML if you have commented your choices, and you want the
 members of the PDML to know your comments.
 
 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Tuesday, October 1st,
 21:00 hours German time.
 
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Re: PUG interpretation

2002-09-30 Thread James Adams

That's easy - 20th of the
month.
jma
- Original Message -
From: David Brooks
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30,
2002 1:02 PM
Subject: PUG interpretation


I need to let the mind go abit
on the PUG.I thought
bad weather but not ALL the
possibilities.
Some nice shots and
interpretations this month
folks.g

Dave

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Message 

From: David Brooks
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Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002
15:51:41 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: October PUG is
open


Sounds fair.Now if i can only
remember the cut off
datesG

Dave

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Message 

From: Adelheid v. K.
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Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002
21:36:33 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: October PUG is open


--
About resizing your pics:

To make the procedure easier I
am going to resize them
without further
notice - but if somebody is
unhappy with the result,
please send me
one you
like better in the proper size
and I'll swap it on the
server. I hope
this
is a fair deal.






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RE: Voigtlander RF Bodies - any good?

2002-09-30 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

The lenses seem to be pretty good. As for a standard - lotsa users rave
about the 50/2.5 Heliar (if I'm not mistaken). Check out an excellent
Stephen Gandy's site www.cameraquest.com

From my non-user experience and these rare occasions I handled the camera (a
few R's) - very nice viewfinder, very plasticky feel, terrible shutter. As
loud as my MX, and causing as much vibration as an SLR. This disqualifies it
as a rangefinder camera for me. A rangefinder is supposed to be quiet, and
vibationless so that the shooter could handhold it at slow speeds. I must
say that at first I was very enthusiastic towards the camera, but from the
first (but not the last - I thought maybe it was the particular specimen I
handled) time I took in my hands I was VERY dissapointed.

I think that if you can live without the 1/2000 speed you'd be better off
with a Canon P with a dedicated lightmeter or the Voigtlander meter and
Voigtlander lenses. The camera has a worse viewfinder than the Bessa (more
flare prone but at the sametime it offers a 1:1 view - you can shoot with
both eyes open), but everything else is MUCH better - no vibrations (and I
mean NO), quiet shutter (not as quiet as Leicas but close), ultrasmooth film
advance, and very solid feel.

Wow, that was a long one.

Regards,
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Voigtlander RF Bodies - any good?


Yippee - I've picked up a reasonably priced flight to Tokyo so plan to
obtain
one of those rather endearing R Olive bodies and a couple of appropriate
lenses; maybe a 35 1.7 and something else. Any good?

Kind regards

Peter




Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Pat White

The nomail option is once again available.  I've been using it for a few
weeks.

Pat White





RE: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Rob Brigham

You sayin' the sun's not coming back?  ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 30 September 2002 20:13
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: RE: photokina report
 
 
 Roland used to take part in this forum, and was always a big 
 Pentax flag waver. For people living near the Artic Circle, 
 Pentax releasing new products is an article of faith; like 
 the sun will come back. 
 
 From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ..
 
 Roland Mabo - on Photozone.de
 
 




MZ-S flash metering

2002-09-30 Thread Pat White

According to the MZ-S owner's manual, when using P-TTL (with the Pentax 360
flash), six-segment flash metering is provided, but there's no mention of
metering type with other flash models.  Does anyone know whether this also
applies when using regular TTL flash, say a Metz 40 or Pentax 500FTZ, or
does the camera switch to center-weighted for flash metering?  What about
with the built-in flash?

Also, when using flash, does the meter switch have any effect, or does the
camera just switch to one particular metering mode?  Just curious.

Pat White





Re: PUG interpretation

2002-09-30 Thread Jostein

Interesting.
Out of 45 images, one describes scouring heat, one describe dry wind, and
one describe cold.
The rest is devoted to water in some form.

What's even more interesting is that I keep thinking about many images that
hey, that doesn't look too bad. But who am I to judge. :-)


Jostein

- Original Message -
From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: PUG interpretation


 I need to let the mind go abit on the PUG.I thought
 bad weather but not ALL the possibilities.
 Some nice shots and interpretations this month
 folks.g

 Dave

  Begin Original Message 

 From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:51:41 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: October PUG is open


 Sounds fair.Now if i can only remember the cut off
 datesG

 Dave

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 Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:36:33 +0200
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: October PUG is open


 --
 About resizing your pics:

 To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
 notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me
 one you
 like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope
 this
 is a fair deal.






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Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Patrick White


The nomail option is once again available.  I've been using it for a few
weeks.

Pat, could you post info on how to subscribe to it (or send info directly to 
me)?  There wasn't anything on the subscription info webpage as of last week, 
which is why I didn't think the option was available.  I just need the 
subscrition request address as I assume it works like the other two.

thanks,
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Re: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Jostein

Nah...
I figured he was being abstract here.
The Artic Circle must be a Circle of Faith.
You know, the one that contains the said Article of Faith...

I don't tread those circles. :-)
Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: photokina report


 You sayin' the sun's not coming back?  ;-)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 30 September 2002 20:13
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  Subject: RE: photokina report
  
  
  Roland used to take part in this forum, and was always a big 
  Pentax flag waver. For people living near the Artic Circle, 
  Pentax releasing new products is an article of faith; like 
  the sun will come back. 
  
  From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  ..
  
  Roland Mabo - on Photozone.de
  
  
 
 




Re: Re[4]: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Pentxuser

Good try Bruce. I'm thinking I'll just bring it back tomorrow. No problem I'm sure. I 
can get the older flash for about $140 less. Think I'll put the extra toward a sweet 
little SMC 100/f2.8 M lens he has waiting for me..
Vic 




Re: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Jostein

The real difference between Pentax product release and Spring, is that you
know when to expect the latter...
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: photokina report


 You sayin' the sun's not coming back?  ;-)

  -Original Message-
  From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 30 September 2002 20:13
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  Subject: RE: photokina report
 
 
  Roland used to take part in this forum, and was always a big
  Pentax flag waver. For people living near the Artic Circle,
  Pentax releasing new products is an article of faith; like
  the sun will come back.
 
  From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  ..
 
  Roland Mabo - on Photozone.de
 
 






OT: (spiked) Monopod feet

2002-09-30 Thread Jerome Daryl Coombs-Reyes


It is interesting that this topic was spawned recently, as I have also
been in the midst of this decision. Well, I've finally made my decision
and now have the following question:

Has anyone invested in the spiked foot that can be bought for the Bogen
family of monopods? It sells for about $7 and (at least in theory) sounds
like a good idea...  But I was wondering how it faired in practice.  More
specifically, with a heavy lens in a dirt / grass environment this seems
like it may be a worthwhile investment for added stability.  I went to a
local camera shop today and played with the monopod, head and lens combo
that I intend to use, and the rubber bottom seemed a bit slippery... but
the store unfortunately had no spiked feet for me to bore holes into the
floor with. Go figure!

Thanks in advance,
 jerome

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October PUG favorites

2002-09-30 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

Hi gang,

Had a quick look at the new gallery this afternoon, and really enjoyed this
month's postings -- as I always do!  I confess I haven't been good about
posting comments, but this month I will.  Starting now!

Thru the Windscreen by Facit.  My favorite this month, I think.  Simply
beautiful.  What good luck to have the camera to eye, with shutter cocked,
at just the right moment!

Another Scorcher by Bob Poe.  This resonates with me.  The weather here in
upstate NY was much the same this summer as what Bob describes for SC.
There's a rusty old tractor (horse-drawn) sitting on the scorched lawn of
what used to be a farm, down the road from me.  I was thinking about
shooting a roll of it for this month's theme, capturing the barbed wire
fence, the rusty tractor, and the parched earth around it.  Never got a
chance.  You did a nice job with this concept, Bob.  By chance, did you
happen to capture any views with the scorching afternoon sun in the same
frame as this tractor?  That would have been interesting as well.

I See the Light by Ken Waller.  I love the cold blues and the crashing
waves.  Ken writes, I believe this photo captures some of the essence of a
stormy fall day in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.  Ken, I believe you're
absolutely right.  Good shot!

And those lightning shots by G. Fenstermacher, Simon King, Brendan MacRae,
and Christian Skofteland are shots I enjoyed as well, particularly from a
technical perspective.  I think I now have a better appreciation for how
difficult these shots can be.  This year, the little bit of lightning we've
had here in Rochester has generally been accompanied by dense, low-lying
clouds -- not very good for photographing lightning bolts.  I'd love to
capture some images like these gentlemen have.  Nice work!

That's all the comments for now.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




October PUG

2002-09-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Well, I know which entry is my favorite from the October PUG!  Kihei Beach, 
by  Bruce Dayton, is just what I needed to see on a very frustrating afternoon.

Besides being a very good photograph, it depicts my favorite place in the
entire world, and the spot I'd most like to be right now.  My wife and I have
gone to Maui at least every other year for the past two decades, and we always
stay in Kihei, Near the Kamaole Beach Parks.  In fact, for several years we
owed a condo in Kamaole Sands, across the street from the beach.  We are going
there again in February, but that seems very far off indeed.

Thanks, Bruce, for making my day!

Dan




RE: MZ-S flash metering

2002-09-30 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: Pat White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]


 According to the MZ-S owner's manual, when using P-TTL
 (with the Pentax 360
 flash), six-segment flash metering is provided, but there's
 no mention of
 metering type with other flash models.  Does anyone know
 whether this also
 applies when using regular TTL flash, say a Metz 40 or
 Pentax 500FTZ, or
 does the camera switch to center-weighted for flash
 metering?  What about
 with the built-in flash?

I think it's center-weighted otherwise.

In any case, it's *very* accurate.


 Also, when using flash, does the meter switch have any
 effect, or does the
 camera just switch to one particular metering mode?  Just curious.

It doesn't affect the flash metering, it does affect the ambient
metering.

tv




[no subject]

2002-09-30 Thread Feroze Kistan

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:15:48 +0100
Frits J. Wüthrich wrote

I sincerely believe this is a misconception (snip)

That is not a misconception. Take for instance the light bulb that edison
originally built. It still works and hasn't been to best of my knowledge
switched off yet. How long does your light bulb work??? Take inkjet
printers, manufacturers sell the printer at a low almost cost price and then
recover the money on the inkjet cartridges. Take a look at lexmark and epson
printer prices and then caluclate how much you really payed when you factor
in the cost of consumables. It dosn't apply to items stolen either, take a
look at how many car decks are face off or other. You cannot steal a late
model BMW or merc because of its security system. Here if you buy a new BMW
and its stolen or hijacked BMW will give you a new one.

But they cannot produce products that will last forever, its not economical
sense. Most manufacturers test their products for MTF for critical parts and
try and bring a new product to replace it (this, before I get slapped upside
the head for insolence probally does not include Pentax)

Now to DSLR most likely the reason that that a high end model costs so much
is they know that once the sale is done, what else they gonna sell you. Ever
try an buy a suit and walk out with socks and tie and shoes. What will a
dealer sell you if your already have a comprehensive SLR system and are just
adding another body???

Building a really robust model is also costly where most of the cost is the
cmos and CCD and such, how much more would you pay for an alloy DSLR.
Rest of the world dosn't have such heavy consumer rights and most times its
just luck of the draw and if you don't like it just too bad


Feroze
Where Angels Fear Thread










C41

2002-09-30 Thread Feroze Kistan

Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:19:32 +1000
Anthony Farr wrote

Look at your grandparents (or great grandparents)..

I know. My grandfather was the only wedding photographer in this area at the
time. But he used to tint the prints with a weak solution of tea. And then
he had little bookets of paper which he used to tint water and used that to
dye the prints. Isn't the sepia tint a natural thing that happens to old
photo's anyway? or has this been designed out of modern papers?

The pencils I have are the Derwent watercolour ones. If you wet them first
or wet the artwork later they work the same as watercolour paints or
translucent inks. I tried on colour prints and they work fine as long as you
use a fixative or laminate the print. Are the inks you using the only
available ones and are they sold in an shop or as a photgraphic item?

I work as a graphic designer, all day, sometimes 18hr shifts, the last thing
I want to do is edit on photopaint. Excluding the drum scan time it would
take me 20 minutes to do it on a PC. And that unfortunately would negate the
purpose of my whole intent in the first place - make sense??

Thanks
Feroze

Where Angels Fear Thread










RE: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n (Now it's long)

2002-09-30 Thread Pat

--- Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 The [Sunpak] 433D and 444D are both great flashes
for the
 money, IMHO.  Guide number
 120 (in feet), bounce and swivel, three auto modes,
 five variable power
 output settings in manual mode (full power, 1/2,
 1/4, 1/8, and 1/16) -- plus
 TTL mode on the 444D.  (snip) Sunpak
 accessories for off-camera flash are considerably
 cheaper than the
 corresponding Pentax accessories for, e.g., the
 280T.  Finally, the 444D is
 in current production, whereas the Pentax AF280T is
 not.

and Dick Graham wrote:
The Sunpack 444D is a good third party  alternative
value. Tilt and swivel 
head, femovable diffuser that's good out to 135mm. 
TTL, auto and manual 
with manual adjustment for fill flash.  Plenty of
power.

I originally went w/ Sunpak for value vs. features; it
hasn't let me down w/ the minor exception of size. I
will put the 444D on my list to be explored.

Thanks,
Pat in SF


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Re: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n (Now it's long)

2002-09-30 Thread Pat

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:47:48 -0700, Debra Wilborn
wrote:
A while back I asked a similar question and got some
good responses.  It's been almost a year now and I
still haven't bought a flash.  Turns out I prefer
ambient light and fast glass, so I haven't missed not
having a flash.  Still, maybe someday...

Fast glass sometimes comes w/ the same drawback as a
flash, namely by adding more dimension/depth/size to
an SLR. And a flash is a slightly more, ah, frugal
way to add size to my Zx-5n versus fast glass. :)  

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Re: OT: (spiked) Monopod feet

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

Jerome,

I use my Bogen monopod with rubber bottom in wet grass quite often
with a 200/2.8 or 400/5.6 and have noticed no problem at all.


Bruce



Monday, September 30, 2002, 1:43:10 PM, you wrote:


JDCR It is interesting that this topic was spawned recently, as I have also
JDCR been in the midst of this decision. Well, I've finally made my decision
JDCR and now have the following question:

JDCR Has anyone invested in the spiked foot that can be bought for the Bogen
JDCR family of monopods? It sells for about $7 and (at least in theory) sounds
JDCR like a good idea...  But I was wondering how it faired in practice.  More
JDCR specifically, with a heavy lens in a dirt / grass environment this seems
JDCR like it may be a worthwhile investment for added stability.  I went to a
JDCR local camera shop today and played with the monopod, head and lens combo
JDCR that I intend to use, and the rubber bottom seemed a bit slippery... but
JDCR the store unfortunately had no spiked feet for me to bore holes into the
JDCR floor with. Go figure!

JDCR Thanks in advance,
JDCR  jerome

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JDCR PhD Candidate, ISyE, Georgia Tech
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Re: Voigtlander RF Bodies - any good?

2002-09-30 Thread frank theriault

Hi, Lukasz,

I agree.

I've handled a Voigtlander, and I found it plasticky feeling as well, most likely
because the body's skin is made of plastic g.

It is noisy (your comparison to an MX is about right), and vibrates more than I'd
like.  My Leica CL (which isn't as quiet and vibration-free as an M6) is better
than the Voigtlander in both regards.

For what they're asking for one here in Canada, it didn't seem worth the money,
for a new body.

FWIW...

regards,
frank

£ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:

 From my non-user experience and these rare occasions I handled the camera (a
 few R's) - very nice viewfinder, very plasticky feel, terrible shutter. As
 loud as my MX, and causing as much vibration as an SLR. This disqualifies it
 as a rangefinder camera for me. A rangefinder is supposed to be quiet, and
 vibationless so that the shooter could handhold it at slow speeds. I must
 say that at first I was very enthusiastic towards the camera, but from the
 first (but not the last - I thought maybe it was the particular specimen I
 handled) time I took in my hands I was VERY dissapointed.


--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears
it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: October PUG

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

Dan,

I'm glad that it lifted you day a bit.  This is one of my favorite
places too.  I wish that I had been there as often as you.  We are
looking at going back in the spring.  But this time we'll be up near
Lahaina.  We shall go down and hang out a bit in Kihei though.


Bruce



Monday, September 30, 2002, 1:57:41 PM, you wrote:

DJM Well, I know which entry is my favorite from the October PUG!  Kihei Beach, 
DJM by  Bruce Dayton, is just what I needed to see on a very frustrating afternoon.

DJM Besides being a very good photograph, it depicts my favorite place in the
DJM entire world, and the spot I'd most like to be right now.  My wife and I have
DJM gone to Maui at least every other year for the past two decades, and we always
DJM stay in Kihei, Near the Kamaole Beach Parks.  In fact, for several years we
DJM owed a condo in Kamaole Sands, across the street from the beach.  We are going
DJM there again in February, but that seems very far off indeed.

DJM Thanks, Bruce, for making my day!

DJM Dan




Re[2]: Flash suggestions for Zx-5n

2002-09-30 Thread Pat

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:27:02 -0700, Bruce Dayton
wrote: However, the analog flash units will work with
the digital bodies.  The beauty there is that the
AF280T will work with any body made by Pentax.  From
the K1000 to the MZ-S.
--
Bruce:

Thanks for this tidbit of info. I also have a K1000
sitting to the side. Am glad to know that I could use
the AF280T for both the K1000  Zx-5n.

Thanks,
Pat in SF


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RE: C41

2002-09-30 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]


 Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:19:32 +1000
 Anthony Farr wrote

 Look at your grandparents (or great grandparents)..

 I know. My grandfather was the only wedding photographer in
 this area at the
 time. But he used to tint the prints with a weak solution
 of tea. And then
 he had little bookets of paper which he used to tint water
 and used that to
 dye the prints. Isn't the sepia tint a natural thing that
 happens to old
 photo's anyway? or has this been designed out of modern papers?

This is complicated.

These days, you can get a sepia toned print by

1 - Bleaching and toning a print with a thiocarbamide or sulphide
toner. (very archival)
2 - Printing C-41 B+W on color paper with the correct filtration.
(not archival at all, and hit-or-miss to boot)
3 - Printing on a warm-toned paper. (not really sepia, just warm)

In the old days, some of the processes we would think of as
alternative had a brownish tone that look sepia-like to eyes used to
cold prints.

Very old photos that have turned brown have oxidized. The brown color
you see is actually the same stuff as you'd see on tarnished silver.
The bleach and redevelop process actually reproduces this effect, but
does it evenly. Happily, it can't oxidize any further, so it's
archival.

B+W photos that have been fixed and washed properly should not turn
brown for a very long time. RC prints can bronze, but this is a
different process and is ugly.

If you're interested in toning, do an Amazon search for Tim Rudman's
book, it's the definitive tome on the subject as far as I know.

tv




RE: Need portrait help...

2002-09-30 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

Well, these ar pretty obvious, but anyway:

1. use a tripod to avoid any possibility of camera shake
2. set a small aperture (f/22 or something of the sort) for greater depth of
field
3. for the before photo use a film that's not flattering for human
complexion (something with lotsa red comes to mind - I'm no expert, but many
people on the list will happily tell which ones these are)
4. and you can always shoot the before photo with a wide angle, and the
after photo with a telephoto

And that's about it. Hope this helps.

BTW - it was interesting to think how to make someone look bad for a change
:)

Regards,
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: Nick Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Need portrait help...


I met a skin care specialist who is interested in having me shoot before
and after portraits of some of her clients for her portfolio. My dilemma
is this. Whilst studying portraiture, I've always focused on ~diminishing~
blemishes etc to make the subject look better. I need some hints and tips
for photographing people so that their skin imperfections show more
accurately on film. Thanks in advance.

--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/




Re: Need portrait help...

2002-09-30 Thread Michael Cross



ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:

Well, these ar pretty obvious, but anyway:

1. use a tripod to avoid any possibility of camera shake
2. set a small aperture (f/22 or something of the sort) for greater depth of
field
3. for the before photo use a film that's not flattering for human
complexion (something with lotsa red comes to mind - I'm no expert, but many
people on the list will happily tell which ones these are)

Fuji Superia 400

4. and you can always shoot the before photo with a wide angle, and the
after photo with a telephoto

And that's about it. Hope this helps.

BTW - it was interesting to think how to make someone look bad for a change
:)

Regards,
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: Nick Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Need portrait help...


I met a skin care specialist who is interested in having me shoot before
and after portraits of some of her clients for her portfolio. My dilemma
is this. Whilst studying portraiture, I've always focused on ~diminishing~
blemishes etc to make the subject look better. I need some hints and tips
for photographing people so that their skin imperfections show more
accurately on film. Thanks in advance.

--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/


  






Re: Less than 27 hours to go....

2002-09-30 Thread Bob Rapp

Arnold,
favourites (that I have)
1.135 f2.5 SMC Pentax
2.200 f4.0 SMC Pentax
Wished I had
none

Bob Rapp

 Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello again, dear list members,
 
  have you already voted in the SMC Pentax K-Mount Medium Telephoto Prime
  Lens Poll? If not, please choose your favourite 3 lenses among the SMC
  Pentax K-mount primes with focal length between 120mm and 200mm now.

 [...]






Re: A 400/5.6

2002-09-30 Thread Alan Chan

Don't think it's useful on your decision making, but the Pentax Japan web
site mentioned the A2X-L is the perfect match for this FA*200/2.8.

regards,
Alan Chan

 Over the last two weekends, I have been using and comparing my A
 400/5.6 lens to my FA *200/2.8 using a 1.5XL Converter and a Tamron 2X
 AF converter.  The obvious advantage to the 200 package is mobility. I
 have that lens with me anyway and the size and weight of converter
 isn't too much.  Also I get to retain AF with the converter and the
 200 where the 400mm is a manual focus lens.

 I think that the images shot with the 200+Tamron 2X lose some contrast
 and possibly some edge sharpness (isn't hurting the shots I am taking)
 compared to the 400.  With the 1.5XL I don't see any obvious
 differences.

 My dilemma is this - I rarely carry the 400 - has it's own round
 tubular case with carrying strap.  I almost always opt for the 200 and
 converters.  That all fits in my normal carrying case.  I haven't
 found a great need for the 400mm but am a little hesitant to sell it.
 I could really use a new Quantum QFlash T2 and the money from the 400
 would help towards that end.

 So are there any opinions on the list as to hanging onto this lens vs.
 selling or any interested parties?




Re[2]: A 400/5.6

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Dayton

Alan,

Thanks for the info.  I often wondered if it would fit because of the
snout on it.  If it is anything like the  1.4X-L it should be quite
good.  That FA *200/2.8 is one of the best lenses I have ever
purchased!


Bruce



Monday, September 30, 2002, 2:55:14 PM, you wrote:

AC Don't think it's useful on your decision making, but the Pentax Japan web
AC site mentioned the A2X-L is the perfect match for this FA*200/2.8.

AC regards,
AC Alan Chan

 Over the last two weekends, I have been using and comparing my A
 400/5.6 lens to my FA *200/2.8 using a 1.5XL Converter and a Tamron 2X
 AF converter.  The obvious advantage to the 200 package is mobility. I
 have that lens with me anyway and the size and weight of converter
 isn't too much.  Also I get to retain AF with the converter and the
 200 where the 400mm is a manual focus lens.

 I think that the images shot with the 200+Tamron 2X lose some contrast
 and possibly some edge sharpness (isn't hurting the shots I am taking)
 compared to the 400.  With the 1.5XL I don't see any obvious
 differences.

 My dilemma is this - I rarely carry the 400 - has it's own round
 tubular case with carrying strap.  I almost always opt for the 200 and
 converters.  That all fits in my normal carrying case.  I haven't
 found a great need for the 400mm but am a little hesitant to sell it.
 I could really use a new Quantum QFlash T2 and the money from the 400
 would help towards that end.

 So are there any opinions on the list as to hanging onto this lens vs.
 selling or any interested parties?




Re: Re[2]: A 400/5.6

2002-09-30 Thread Alan Chan

Actually the Japanese site also states the A1.4X-L is particular good on
FA*300/2.8 too. But that's all they said.

regards,
Alan Chan

 Alan,

 Thanks for the info.  I often wondered if it would fit because of the
 snout on it.  If it is anything like the  1.4X-L it should be quite
 good.  That FA *200/2.8 is one of the best lenses I have ever
 purchased!


 Bruce



 Monday, September 30, 2002, 2:55:14 PM, you wrote:

 AC Don't think it's useful on your decision making, but the Pentax Japan
web
 AC site mentioned the A2X-L is the perfect match for this FA*200/2.8.

 AC regards,
 AC Alan Chan

  Over the last two weekends, I have been using and comparing my A
  400/5.6 lens to my FA *200/2.8 using a 1.5XL Converter and a Tamron 2X
  AF converter.  The obvious advantage to the 200 package is mobility. I
  have that lens with me anyway and the size and weight of converter
  isn't too much.  Also I get to retain AF with the converter and the
  200 where the 400mm is a manual focus lens.
 
  I think that the images shot with the 200+Tamron 2X lose some contrast
  and possibly some edge sharpness (isn't hurting the shots I am taking)
  compared to the 400.  With the 1.5XL I don't see any obvious
  differences.
 
  My dilemma is this - I rarely carry the 400 - has it's own round
  tubular case with carrying strap.  I almost always opt for the 200 and
  converters.  That all fits in my normal carrying case.  I haven't
  found a great need for the 400mm but am a little hesitant to sell it.
  I could really use a new Quantum QFlash T2 and the money from the 400
  would help towards that end.
 
  So are there any opinions on the list as to hanging onto this lens vs.
  selling or any interested parties?





RE: photokina report

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Rubenstein

Actually, it would be a perfect Pentax product: unchanging year after year,
century after century, eon after eon. Now, if you want a new, updated sun
get Canon to do it.

BR


From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You sayin' the sun's not coming back?  ;-)





Re: Proper exposure in self timer operation

2002-09-30 Thread Bruce Rubenstein

If the ambient light level is high, then you really want the eye piece
covered in any AE mode, because stray light entering the eyepiece will throw
the metering off. Even shading it with your hand when depressing the shutter
will work.


From: Stephen Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I understand that when the shutter release button is depressed halfway then
focus and exposure is set.  If I'm trying to take a self-portrait and focus
on the chair I will sit in, will the exposure be set for the chair also?  I
want the focus set there but I want the exposure set for me and not the
chair.  This is using Programmed AE mode.  I'm sure there's a simple answer
but I can't think of it.  Thanks.






Re: [OT] Oct PUG - What Rain?

2002-09-30 Thread frank theriault

Could I get anything else wrong?!?

OF COURSE YOU'RE RIGHT!

Geez, it only happened back in the summer.  The Olympics were 2 years ago.

Oh well.  My little attempt at humour went right down the flusher, didn't it?

I wonder if it would have been funny if I'd have gotten all the details right?

I think I'll go to bed now...

red faced,
frank

£ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:

 And Frank - well, it wasn't the Olympics, but the World Cup.
 Now you know :)


--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





desubscribing

2002-09-30 Thread Margo Ellen Gesser

Dear Petaxians,

It's not that I don't enjoy all these messages, but  things are getting busy
for me and I need to desubscribe. So far, all my requests have been ignored
or bounced back. Any ideas?

Margo




RE: [OT] Oct PUG - What Rain?

2002-09-30 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk

At least you got the name of the goalie right :)
Another funny thing about the guy is that after the World Cup his biography
sold for ridiculously low prices. You'd never guess - it was entitled Safe
Hands :)))

Regards,
Lukasz Totally-Off-Topic Kacperczyk

-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OT] Oct PUG - What Rain?


Could I get anything else wrong?!?

OF COURSE YOU'RE RIGHT!

Geez, it only happened back in the summer.  The Olympics were 2 years ago.

Oh well.  My little attempt at humour went right down the flusher, didn't
it?

I wonder if it would have been funny if I'd have gotten all the details
right?

I think I'll go to bed now...

red faced,
frank

£ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:

 And Frank - well, it wasn't the Olympics, but the World Cup.
 Now you know :)


--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: OT: Need portrait help...

2002-09-30 Thread Dan Scott


On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 06:06  PM, Nick Wright wrote:

 I met a skin care specialist who is interested in having me shoot 
 before
 and after portraits of some of her clients for her portfolio. My 
 dilemma
 is this. Whilst studying portraiture, I've always focused on 
 ~diminishing~
 blemishes etc to make the subject look better. I need some hints and 
 tips
 for photographing people so that their skin imperfections show more
 accurately on film. Thanks in advance.

 --
 Nick Wright
 http://www.wrightfoto.com/


Hi Nick,

A sharp lens (I use Pentax's FA100/2.8 macro) strong light, and any of 
the many cheap and abundant consumer print films found in the photo 
aisle at Target or Walmart will do an excellent job of recording marks, 
blemishes, scars, clogged pores, wrinkles, spider veins, zits, chaffing, 
dead skin, oily skin, dry skin, skin that needs a good scrubbing with a 
strong solvent, pock marks and the like quite well.

Hope that helps,
Dan Scott (unflattering portrait specialist)




Re: Proper exposure in self timer operation

2002-09-30 Thread Dan Scott


On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 04:25  PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:

 I understand that when the shutter release button is depressed halfway 
 then
 focus and exposure is set.  If I'm trying to take a self-portrait and 
 focus
 on the chair I will sit in, will the exposure be set for the chair 
 also?  I
 want the focus set there but I want the exposure set for me and not the
 chair.  This is using Programmed AE mode.  I'm sure there's a simple 
 answer
 but I can't think of it.  Thanks.

 Stephen


If you have one of the MZ/ZX bodies you can prefocus in manual mode, hit 
the self timer and have a sit in the chair, your meter will will take 
care of the rest in most situations.

If your body has exposure lock you could sit a friend of similar 
complexion and attire in the chair, hit the exposure lock, set the self 
timer and play aquick round of musical chairs.

Whip out your trusty remote switch, if long enough, sit in the chair, 
put on your best scowl, glare, or whatever you deem is most flattering 
and snap your shot.

Dan




Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Doug Brewer

Haven't we already had this discussion? 

Surely there's some place on AOL explaining how to tell the difference between email 
and a web site.



At 9:54 AM -04009/30/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote, or at least typed:
Is it possible to number the topics and corresponding subject messages. This is a 
VERY DIFFICULT site to read. See Nikon site for example of ease of use. One must read 
all of this to get to one subject.
Thanks,
Burt Yust
NYC
USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.alphoto.com




Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Chris Brogden

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it possible to number the topics and corresponding subject
 messages. This is a VERY DIFFICULT site to read. See Nikon site for
 example of ease of use. One must read all of this to get to one
 subject.

Ignoring your bewildering use of the word site, I'll give you the same
answer you got the last time you asked this question.  Doug Brewer is
managing this list out of his own spare time, sweat, money, etc.  If you
think you can do a better job, then why don't you talk to him about your
taking over responsibility for it?  Or, better yet, just start your own
list and see how much time you're willing to put into it.  In either case,
don't look the gift horse in the mouth.  Sheesh.

chris




Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread Chris Brogden

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it possible to number the topics and corresponding subject
 messages. This is a VERY DIFFICULT site to read. See Nikon site for
 example of ease of use. One must read all of this to get to one
 subject.

Oh, and if you're talking about how user-friendly the Nikon email list is
(which one, BTW?), this is a recent post to the one on Yahoo groups (easy
to get information, isn't it?):

From [snipped]  Mon Sep 30 20:14:34 2002
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:08:16 EDT
From: [snipped]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [nmlist] [OT] Gossen Luna-Pro SBC

I have the original instruction manual and I could make a copy for you
provided you reimburse me for my expenses. Let's see what that would come to:

Time to scan document (my secretary would do this): .5 hours She earns $22.00
per hour. Cost:  $11.00

Time to file and send via email: .25 hours (secretary): $5.50

Excluding any additional costs the total would be: $16.50

If you wanted me to do it multiply by a factor of 10, as this is what I bill
for my time.

Let me know what you want to do.




RE: desubscribing

2002-09-30 Thread tom

 -Original Message-
 From: Margo Ellen Gesser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]


 Dear Petaxians,

 It's not that I don't enjoy all these messages, but  things
 are getting busy
 for me and I need to desubscribe. So far, all my requests
 have been ignored
 or bounced back. Any ideas?

We don't want you to leave.

Actually, I think the sub/unsub procedures may have changed. Since the
pdml.net web server isn't functional at the moment, maybe someone
could post the procedures.

tv





Re: OT: Need portrait help...

2002-09-30 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

LOSL
Lots Of Soft Light.

Diffusion reduces the contrast of a portrait.
Soft boxes, reflectors, umbrellas:  All are useful.
Just don't use any direct light on the AFTER shots.
Use only direct light on the BEFORE shots.
That way the results will look even more improved.
(Is this deceptive?  No.  Just making the AFTER look as good as it can.)
It's soft light that makes even the sharper images of studio
medium format look more appealing than the ultra-sharp images
from 35mm with a direct flash.  Direct lighting adds too much
contrast and damages the results.
Experiment  enjoy yourself.

Collin

At 09:27 PM 9/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:06:10 -0500
From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Need portrait help...

I met a skin care specialist who is interested in having me shoot before
and after portraits of some of her clients for her portfolio. My dilemma
is this. Whilst studying portraiture, I've always focused on ~diminishing~
blemishes etc to make the subject look better. I need some hints and tips
for photographing people so that their skin imperfections show more
accurately on film. Thanks in advance.

--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/




Re: desubscribing

2002-09-30 Thread Doug Brewer

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At 8:42 PM -03009/30/02, Margo Ellen Gesser  wrote, or at least typed:
Dear Petaxians,

It's not that I don't enjoy all these messages, but  things are getting busy
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Margo

-- 
Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.alphoto.com




RE: OT: Need portrait help...

2002-09-30 Thread tom

I've noticed that in most before/after shots, the subject has a big
unhappy frown before, and a big happy grin in the after shot.

In the before shot the subject should be looking directly into the
camera. In the after shot they need a jaunty angle...as in most
portraits.

The background should change too. Maybe cinder blocks before,
something pastoral after.

Listen to Robb re the lighting.

A makeup person would be helpful too.

tv

 -Original Message-
 From: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:51 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT: Need portrait help...


 LOSL
 Lots Of Soft Light.

 Diffusion reduces the contrast of a portrait.
 Soft boxes, reflectors, umbrellas:  All are useful.
 Just don't use any direct light on the AFTER shots.
 Use only direct light on the BEFORE shots.
 That way the results will look even more improved.
 (Is this deceptive?  No.  Just making the AFTER look as
 good as it can.)
 It's soft light that makes even the sharper images of studio
 medium format look more appealing than the ultra-sharp images
 from 35mm with a direct flash.  Direct lighting adds too much
 contrast and damages the results.
 Experiment  enjoy yourself.

 Collin

 At 09:27 PM 9/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:06:10 -0500
 From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT: Need portrait help...
 
 I met a skin care specialist who is interested in having
 me shoot before
 and after portraits of some of her clients for her
 portfolio. My dilemma
 is this. Whilst studying portraiture, I've always focused
 on ~diminishing~
 blemishes etc to make the subject look better. I need
 some hints and tips
 for photographing people so that their skin imperfections show more
 accurately on film. Thanks in advance.
 
 --
 Nick Wright
 http://www.wrightfoto.com/




Re: NUMBERING TOPICS AND SUBJECTS

2002-09-30 Thread John Mustarde

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:16:47 -0400, you wrote:

Haven't we already had this discussion? 

Surely there's some place on AOL explaining how to tell the difference between email 
and a web site.


There is just such a site. 

Just type in AOL Keyword whatsthedifference.

Now stand back, so you don't get crushed by the crowd rushing to
discover this magical secret.

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com




Re: OT: Need portrait help...

2002-09-30 Thread Dan Scott


On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 09:11  PM, tom wrote:

 I've noticed that in most before/after shots, the subject has a big
 unhappy frown before, and a big happy grin in the after shot.

 In the before shot the subject should be looking directly into the
 camera. In the after shot they need a jaunty angle...as in most
 portraits.

 The background should change too. Maybe cinder blocks before,
 something pastoral after.

 Listen to Robb re the lighting.

 A makeup person would be helpful too.

 tv


Teeth, and an eyepatch.

An eyepatch in the before, and a full set of teeth in the after.

Dan Scott




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