Re: K 1000 Meter
I recently found a K1000 for a low price and everything seemed OK. Now I find the meter sometimes is right on, but more often it is over by several stops (compared to 2 other bodies which agree). I have a new battery in place and the compartment seems clean enough. Has anyone had a similar experience? Speaking of repair manuals (Mark Roberts reference), does anyone have information regarding how to adjust a K1000 meter and how to get to it? . Jim, if the battery is new and the contacts clean try bending the contact spring GENTLY outwards for better contact. Also clean contact areas with a clean pencil eraser. That should solve the intermittent problem. Rather than opening the camera why not just change the ISO adjustment to make the camera match your known standard? All my old cameras need this to get on target. Bill Lawlor
RE: K 1000 Meter
The K1000 has the same metering circuit as the earlier SP-F. What I've found on those over the years is the meter goes non-linear. You cant correct the error just by fudging the ISO dial. It often will need to be internally adjusted or even worse need the metering cells replaced. JCO -Original Message- From: Bill Lawlor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K 1000 Meter I recently found a K1000 for a low price and everything seemed OK. Now I find the meter sometimes is right on, but more often it is over by several stops (compared to 2 other bodies which agree). I have a new battery in place and the compartment seems clean enough. Has anyone had a similar experience? Speaking of repair manuals (Mark Roberts reference), does anyone have information regarding how to adjust a K1000 meter and how to get to it? . Jim, if the battery is new and the contacts clean try bending the contact spring GENTLY outwards for better contact. Also clean contact areas with a clean pencil eraser. That should solve the intermittent problem. Rather than opening the camera why not just change the ISO adjustment to make the camera match your known standard? All my old cameras need this to get on target. Bill Lawlor
Re: Sigma Mini Zoom Macro question and Pentax body recommendation?
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:44:32 -0600 (CST), Chris Brogden You are not right here with such generalization on entire Optio range. Optios 220 an 330GS has different macro mode. They can be focused as close as 10 cm in ANY zoom position. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree with Stan on most things, but not on the macro part. Out of the countless digitals I've played with, the Optio series has among the worse macro modes. When you put an Optio on macro, the zoom automatically reverts to the wide-angle position, and you still can't focus that close. The Optios are cute, small and well-built, but I'd take a Nikon with a 2cm or 4cm macro if I shot a lot of close-ups. chris
Re: My New ZX-L
I also discovered that everything photography touches becomes expensive. Off-camera flash extensions for $50? I know something about the price of connectors and cable, and $50 is outrageous! $35 for a cable switch at BH which would cost me $10 to build with Radio Shack parts if only Radio Shack carried the right connector, or if only it used a mini-audio plug instead of whatever it is that it uses. Smallish camera bags for $120, and so on. And that 250-600mm zoom that goes for around $8000... Ugh. So true Greg. Same thing in the darkroom...photo grade chemicals can cost 10x what non-photo-grade equivalents do, and sometimes there's no difference at all, other times no effective difference. Even graduates and bottles cost more when they're for photography. I once did an article about saving money in the darkroom by buying generic items to replace market-specific ones, but the magazine I was working for wouldn't run the article. No need to look very far for the reason...most of the magazine's advertisers were in business selling the photo-specific versions...for more money, of course. g --Mike
Re: Push Processing C-41 films
William Robb wrote: but I will run a test on a half dozen rolls. Great. It would be nice to know if there is any benefit whatsoever in overdeveloping an underexposed roll of C41. You the man! Paul
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
No, this is what DSPs are all about: extracting signal from noise. It's been done for years all over the place. BR Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry, garbage in, garbage out. no amount of digital processing can compensate for noise in the system, and nonlinearities in the analog system or sensitivity variations mean expensive dedicated calibration equipment for individual sensors. Herb __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: throughts and comments and experiences on the following tamron 17mm; 24mm adaptall; 180mm adaptall and 80-200mm 2.8 HELP
The 180/2.5 is legendary and scarce. I saw a review once in Modern Photo that was (as I recall) quite favorable. I've watched 2 or 3 of these go on eBay recently, which was just for curiosity, since I have a K 200/2.5 that I'm very happy with, but they did look interesting. The 80-200/2.8 is a fine zoom. I think JCO just won one of these on eBay. He maybe doesn't have it in his possession just yet, but perhaps he'll share his experiences with it soon. (I'm personally curious as to just how it might compare to the more common Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8, which I can say is a really nice fast zoom.) Fred
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
On 8 Jan 2003 at 8:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this is what DSPs are all about: extracting signal from noise. It's been done for years all over the place. DSPs are great for applying dark noise offset, colour correction, matrix transforms, sharpening, contrast control and jpg compression to digital data sets derived from images sensors however you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. If it were all that simple we could use a 4x4 array of photodiodes coupled with a DSP to rival 10x8 film? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
RE: FW: 300mm Hanimex Lens
David Brooks wrote: Hi Jeff. I have one.What would you like to know. ~~~`` Anything you can tell me. The seller says it an all metal heavy lens. Just how heavy are they? Is it so heavy that hand held is a problem? I expect most times I would used a monopod or tripod but not always. Are they made well? How well does it work. I guess really just curious of any shortcomings and the things you like about it.
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Henry wrote: How about a high-low combination on show in PMA2003: 1. 6mp D-SLR with sony APS-sized sensor on the MZ-S body, as promised by Pentax earlier to be sold under US$1200 in Spring 2003. They din't promise this camera built on the MZ-S chassis. 2. 10mp Foveon full-frame D-SLR with new chassis, under developing, for future flagship models, with rumoured price of US$5000? It is more likely that this camera, provided it exist, would be built on the MZ-S chassis. Anyway, it doesn't make much sense for Pentax to operate with multiple chassises. A new chassis is promised and according to Pentax sources the new DSLR, and other forthcoming Pentax bodies, will be built on this. My guess is that the current MZ-chassis and the MZ-S chassis will be phased out during the coming year or two. Pål
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
What's ironic is the fact that Canon can't keep up with demand on the D60, (try to findone in stock anywhere) yet an entire year later they plan to offer a D90? Who are they kidding. They put the stuff out before they make them. Very untrue. Canon have no problem making enough D60 and they don't sell in large numbers. DSLR sell so slowly and are so fast out of date that the stock situation is due to the fact that Canon won't make single body until it is sold. The same will be the case with a Pentax DSLR. Pål
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Ryan wrote: It's not well known to me... so do yo have a source? These product lines are making money- my only source is a kodak person, and each product has a business case behind it (and obviously this is w/o glass revenue). It is printed in every industry magazine or photo magazine in the world. It is widely admitted by the industry themsleves; Olympus, an digital market leader, recently claimed that no manufacturer was making money on digital. Olympus recently files operating loss of 60 Million dolars. A loss leader for what? To downsell film cameras? To bring people into the store to buy a Rebel? Doesn't happen. Loss leader are common in any industry for a variety of reasons. One of the important one for digital is that digital imaging is a growth market and that everyone wish to be in the best position when this segmet start to make money. Yup- which is why image sensors (that we care about anyway) aren't a commodity. According to Pentax in recent press release, image sensor are a commodity and Pentax (and others) treat it as such. Pål
Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
Mark wrote: I don't think any other cameras really do hyper-program or hyper manual. Pentax says the MZ-S has hyper modes, but they don't really work the same way as on the PZ-1p: You can't instantly switch from aperture-preferred to shutter-preferred the way you can when there's a separate control for each on the camera body. What I really miss on the MZ-S, though, is hyper-manual, where you can set correct exposure instantly with the IF button and then make changes from there. Brilliant. The MZ-S has hyper manual but it is linked to aperture priority auto. For those of us who use aperture priority and manual, it is excellent as it avoids the use of mode switches in order to move from manual to aperture priority mode. On the Z-1p, you're stuck with hyper manual until you use the mode switch. Pål
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No, this is what DSPs are all about: extracting signal from noise. It's been done for years all over the place. BR extracting a signal and extracting a smooth signal are two different things. i've done a bit of digital image processing and analog data aquisition to know what's involved. Herb
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Unless I see a quoted reference on who makes mony from what, I assume it's bogus. Everyone knows is a meaninless statement, unless someone can show where they got their numbers. I also see facts extrapolated into fantasy. Things like: Nikon lost money on the F3 in last few years of production, due to rising labor costs, stretched into All pro cameras are sold at a loss. I assume you opinion in the matter is equal bogus until you back it up with figures. I mean, what values have your opinion if it is only based on your belief system? It's one of the main excuses for why Pentax doesn't sell certain products. I think the real reason is that no one would spend pro level money on a 35mm SLR, or a DSLR with Pentax on the front. If there lots of money to made on this, don't you think all manufacturers would have been figthing to get slice of this market? Practically speaking, all manufacturers are loosing on cameras. It is not the PS that looses money. If you read industry magazines, or even some photo magazines that prints this stuff, you'll soon see that it isn't the product of myths. Pål
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Tom wrote: Supposed to be a updated model digital. There is no information other than it is in the works. So your guess is as good as anybodies. What would you like it to be? As Pentax have recently claimed that their digital camera will have a lifespan of six months, it seems likely it is a new version of the then outdated DSLR shown this spring! Pål
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
on 08.01.03 15:17, Herb Chong at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No, this is what DSPs are all about: extracting signal from noise. It's been done for years all over the place. BR extracting a signal and extracting a smooth signal are two different things. i've done a bit of digital image processing and analog data aquisition to know what's involved. True. Try to record analogue sound on digital media (like Mini Disc) - one source let it be good analogue phono, and second cheap casette player. Guess which results will be better even when you have very good A/D converter in MiniDisc! -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Push Processing C-41 films
We push C-41 by raising the developer temperature, not changing the development time. We raise the temp to 39.5C. I can only remember doing it once so I have no feedback on how the results are. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: My New ZX-L
However with SMC FA 50/1.7 lens I got excellent results with trying to shoot my daughter. Here is an example: http://www.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=405691 Boris, What a cutie! Nice light. Nice portrait. --Mike
Re: RE: FW: 300mm Hanimex Lens
Hi Jeff. Ok,i dont have it with me but here goesG Yes its big and heavy.I did hand hold mine alot but tried to use a rest fence etc.Body IIRC is metal.I bought mine new in or around 1975 (i remeber having it with me on a job in British Columbia then)I paid some were in the range of $80 to $100 Canadian for it then.It has the two aperature rings(term excapes me at this time)so you can set your fstop then use the other ring to open up to focus. It seems to be well made.Mine has never rattled or popped or a lens fall out :). Short comings is its a slow lens f 5.6 at least.Dark through the finder even in good daylight.It is hard to focus,looks fuzzy in the finder(i am using SP500 and Spotties)but the BW prints i get (got) back were ok.I remember trying Dad's tele on it once but results were poor. If you are getting it cheap i would say go for it.Cheap way to test a 300.If you dont like it you can always ebay itg Hope that helps Dave PS i'll look at it tonigh and see if i missed anything Begin Original Message From: KudzuPatch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:09:28 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FW: 300mm Hanimex Lens David Brooks wrote: Hi Jeff. I have one.What would you like to know. ~~~`` Anything you can tell me. The seller says it an all metal heavy lens. Just how heavy are they? Is it so heavy that hand held is a problem? I expect most times I would used a monopod or tripod but not always. Are they made well? How well does it work. I guess really just curious of any shortcomings and the things you like about it. End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
The print out i have from Boz's site shows the PZ-1p PZ-1 Z-5p Z50-P and Z-5 having HP and HM. Hope that helps Dave Begin Original Message From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:12:52 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual? Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Minolta and Konica to merge
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: P Temmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minolta + Konica = MONICA?? Man, there's a really tastless joke waiting to be made there. Fortunately I have enought willpower to restrain myself... -- Mark Roberts Now that really sucks...er, hoovers. Hope someone spits it out soon. eg Dan Scott
Article on bargain photo products, WAS: My New ZX-L
I once did an article about saving money in the darkroom by buying generic items to replace market-specific ones, but the magazine I was working for wouldn't run the article. No need to look very far for the reason...most of the magazine's advertisers were in business selling the photo-specific versions...for more money, of course. g So, what are the chances of you putting this article in the 37th Frame or on the web? ;-) Mark, I suppose I could...the problem is that the article was written in the 1980s and most of the information will have changed. It names specific products, page numbers of then-current catalogs, phone numbers of companies, etc. These days it would need to be updated by including mentions of great bargains on eBay--particularly good products from the past that go begging because most people don't recognize the names and don't know what they are. Just as a fer example, there was a stainless-steel fabricator in Michigan who made good-quality but bargain-priced custom sinks. I don't even remember his name now, much less if he's still happily welding away. So I'd basically have to write the article over again and do all the research over again. --Mike
Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MZ-S has hyper manual but it is linked to aperture priority auto. My MZ-S manual makes no mention of hyper manual mode, only standard metered manual. What made the manual mode on the PZ-1p hyper for me was th IF button. I really wish they'd found a way to carry that over to the MZ-S. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Experiments
I can't help with the Photoshop questions, but as far as the red/green stereo pairs, you may be giving yourself unneeded headaches. Crossing the eyes (or, as is done in an actual stereo viewer, focusing past two images to make them merge) is done for traditional black-and-white or color prints/slides displayed side by side so the two images become one. The red/green viewing is for when the two images are superimposed so that, when you're wearing the appropriate red/green glasses, one eye sees one image and the other eye sees a different image ... I guess what I'm getting at is that it's superfluous to cross your eyes to superimpose a red/green stereo pair. The red/green viewing is specifically for when the images are already superimposed on the page, not when you're asking your brain and eyes to do the superimposing. Joe I have examined Red/Green stereo pairs and Red Green 'Land Experiment Pairs' and from the incredibly bizarre effects I can conclude only one thing. That the mechanism of seeing in humans is not only complicated, but is highly subjective (if one can use such a term). Its quite impossible to describe all the strange and startling visual effects I've been seeing over the past hour or two. But I still can't properly merge layers or even make them correctly. I've been merging Red/Green 'Land' pairs by ~treating them as stereo pairs~ and crossing my eyes, my left eye covered with a red filter the right with green. The result is a dull slightly yellow red image no blue at all. But the (mine anyway) brain seems to be able to flip between monochrome, red and green at random. I have not so far seen anything to compare with the images projected in my first Land experiments at UCT long ago. Super-imposing a Red/Green stereo pair by crossing the eyes gives very strange colour effects (it varies over time - seconds). The stereo in this case is good as would be expected. Adding the filters (red left, green right) changes the whole thing to monochrome to start with but the colours keep changing and it seems one can do this by concentrating on one eye or the other. The results are startling. If anyone has time to give me blow by blow instructions for handling layers to do this test I'd be happy to go on - when my head stops spinning. Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Pentax is therefore again planning something obsolete before even it reach the market. *sigh*... Let's wait to at least get a description of the product before drawing Chicken-Little conclusions, shall we? Sorry, but I get tired of these dire pronouncements based on speculations about possibilities based on guesses. --Mike
Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
Mark wrote: My MZ-S manual makes no mention of hyper manual mode, only standard metered manual. What made the manual mode on the PZ-1p hyper for me was th IF button. I really wish they'd found a way to carry that over to the MZ-S. It is hyper manual just like it is on the Z-1p with the difference that you don't have to frantically push the IF button. You press the green IF button on the MZ-S and afterward dial in whatever exposure you want if you do not want the metered value. Pål
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
It does not matter how noisy a signal is, if the information is there it can be retrieved. In Electron Microscopy the images are often terribly noisy. For ordered structures Fourier transforms, rotational symmetry, or a combination of methods is useful. I have programs to do things like that and if I can find a decent electron micrograph of a virus I'll try to prepare some images that illustrate the cleaning of an image. Image processing can be done in real time on an optical bench, but its more difficult. Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA On 8 Jan 2003 at 8:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this is what DSPs are all about: extracting signal from noise. It's been done for years all over the place. DSPs are great for applying dark noise offset, colour correction, matrix transforms, sharpening, contrast control and jpg compression to digital data sets derived from images sensors however you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. If it were all that simple we could use a 4x4 array of photodiodes coupled with a DSP to rival 10x8 film? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: unforgiving Velvia
Kevin, For slides, Velvia teamed with Fuji Provia 100F or Agfa RSXII 100. The other two are not so contrasty and would do nicely when the Velvia wouldn't. For Prints, the new Agfa Ultra 100 or Agfa Optima II 100 for contrasty, saturated images and either Konica Impressa 50 or Fuji Reala 100 for less contrast. Bruce Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 3:11:48 AM, you wrote: KW This one time, at band camp, KW Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way I view Velvia is as a specialty film. Use it when the colors are flat and subdued to bring things back to a more natural look. When the color are just fine (by the light you are working in) use something else. Velvia used poorly really shows. Find a lower contrast film that you like for normal light and then fill in with Velvia when needed. KW What is a better dayling film from Fugi? the Superia has done me well KW in the past. KW Kind regards KW Kevin
Re: My New ZX-L
What it really shows is that copy writers don't read the documentation. (Just like everyone else). At 02:14 PM 1/8/2003 +0200, Boris wrote: Hi! I am glad that you like (I think you do) your new camera. I also have this camera and it is excellent tool. snip Finally, I couldn't agree with you more about poor advertising by Pentax. Pentax USA site said a about the camera spec. Adorama said b. BHPhoto said c and in actuality it was something in between all three. That was very uncomfortable... Still ZX-L is great amateur/beginner camera... --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625 Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Minolta and Konica to merge
This brings up a horrible joke, best not go there. At 02:53 AM 1/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: Minolta + Konica = MONICA?? Pat Temmerman [MZ3_fella] ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Minolta and Konica to merge
Damn and here I restrained myself. At 08:56 AM 1/8/2003 -0600, you wrote: On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: P Temmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minolta + Konica = MONICA?? Man, there's a really tastless joke waiting to be made there. Fortunately I have enought willpower to restrain myself... -- Mark Roberts Now that really sucks...er, hoovers. Hope someone spits it out soon. eg Dan Scott Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Experiments
Joe, Of course its superfluous to cross the eyes when viewing red green stereo pairs provided they have been superimposed - but they haven't. I know quite a bit about this having been doing it for so many years I don't like to think about it. I'm experimenting and its really surprising what the brain can do with these images. I had not intention of making red green stereos. I was making red and green pictures for the Land experiment and while I was at it added some normal stereo pairs and red green ones to finish the film. I've posted some stereo pairs on my website if you want to look at them: http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/hold/pairs/pairs.htm The real problem is making them big enough. Viewing with a stereoscope (like the one in the picture) helps since it has built-in 3X (I think) magnification. I just about to print them (BW) to see what they look like through the stereoscope. I can't find a tutorial that deals with layers in Photoshop. I'm waiting for a knowledgeable member to help. Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Experiments I can't help with the Photoshop questions, but as far as the red/green stereo pairs, you may be giving yourself unneeded headaches. Crossing the eyes (or, as is done in an actual stereo viewer, focusing past two images to make them merge) is done for traditional black-and-white or color prints/slides displayed side by side so the two images become one. The red/green viewing is for when the two images are superimposed so that, when you're wearing the appropriate red/green glasses, one eye sees one image and the other eye sees a different image ... I guess what I'm getting at is that it's superfluous to cross your eyes to superimpose a red/green stereo pair. The red/green viewing is specifically for when the images are already superimposed on the page, not when you're asking your brain and eyes to do the superimposing. Joe I have examined Red/Green stereo pairs and Red Green 'Land Experiment Pairs' and from the incredibly bizarre effects I can conclude only one thing. That the mechanism of seeing in humans is not only complicated, but is highly subjective (if one can use such a term). Its quite impossible to describe all the strange and startling visual effects I've been seeing over the past hour or two. But I still can't properly merge layers or even make them correctly. I've been merging Red/Green 'Land' pairs by ~treating them as stereo pairs~ and crossing my eyes, my left eye covered with a red filter the right with green. The result is a dull slightly yellow red image no blue at all. But the (mine anyway) brain seems to be able to flip between monochrome, red and green at random. I have not so far seen anything to compare with the images projected in my first Land experiments at UCT long ago. Super-imposing a Red/Green stereo pair by crossing the eyes gives very strange colour effects (it varies over time - seconds). The stereo in this case is good as would be expected. Adding the filters (red left, green right) changes the whole thing to monochrome to start with but the colours keep changing and it seems one can do this by concentrating on one eye or the other. The results are startling. If anyone has time to give me blow by blow instructions for handling layers to do this test I'd be happy to go on - when my head stops spinning. Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002
RE: RE: FW: 300mm Hanimex Lens
Thanks David! Just exactly the info I wanted. Jeff *|| -Original Message- From: David Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: FW: 300mm Hanimex Lens Hi Jeff. Ok,i dont have it with me but here goesG Yes its big and heavy.I did hand hold mine alot but tried to use a rest fence etc.Body IIRC is metal.I bought mine new in or around 1975 (i remeber having it with me on a job in British Columbia then)I paid some were in the range of $80 to $100 Canadian for it then.It has the two aperature rings(term excapes me at this time)so you can set your fstop then use the other ring to open up to focus. It seems to be well made.Mine has never rattled or popped or a lens fall out :). Short comings is its a slow lens f 5.6 at least.Dark through the finder even in good daylight.It is hard to focus,looks fuzzy in the finder(i am using SP500 and Spotties)but the BW prints i get (got) back were ok.I remember trying Dad's tele on it once but results were poor. If you are getting it cheap i would say go for it.Cheap way to test a 300.If you dont like it you can always ebay itg Hope that helps Dave PS i'll look at it tonigh and see if i missed anything Begin Original Message From: KudzuPatch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:09:28 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FW: 300mm Hanimex Lens David Brooks wrote: Hi Jeff. I have one.What would you like to know. ~~~`` Anything you can tell me. The seller says it an all metal heavy lens. Just how heavy are they? Is it so heavy that hand held is a problem? I expect most times I would used a monopod or tripod but not always. Are they made well? How well does it work. I guess really just curious of any shortcomings and the things you like about it. End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
dave- that's the info i got from boz's site but when i went to look at the info on the various cameras on ebay, no one seems to mention hy-m or hy-p. could the boz info be wrong? i ask because i'm so impressed w/the pz-1p and am wondering if i should buy another pz-1p as a back-up body or get a cheaper af body (zx-l) and live w/o hy=p/hy-m. thoughts? thanks in advance be well rob In a message dated 1/8/03 11:09:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The print out i have from Boz's site shows the PZ-1p PZ-1 Z-5p Z50-P and Z-5 having HP and HM. Hope that helps Dave
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Image processing can be done in real time on an optical bench, but its more difficult. Don and that is the key. i can do all kinds of things with hours per image to do the processing, huge amounts of memory, and stuff like that. have you seen raw Hubble images? Herb
Re: Fast Wide Angle?
Thanks for the infor Paul... Think I'll pass I have the 28 covered in too many ways already. Unless it is exceptional I won't bother... In a message dated 1/8/03 6:51:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vic wrote: Speaking of fast wide angles. I've been eyeing a Kiron 28/f2 for a while. It's $75 Cdn in mint. Worth getting?? I used to own the Kiron. While sharp, it lacked contrast and color saturation. I believe distortion was somewhat noticeable, too. However, it was well-made and operated as smoothly as a Pentax. It the Kiron's specs, size, and price appeal to you, you might try the Vivitar 28/2K Close Focus, which came out a couple years later. Both use floating elements and can be found in PK and PKA mount. They look the same; both use 55mm filters. But the Vivitar may be a bit better. I say this because two or three have said it's nearly as good as the legendary Vivitar Series One 28/1.9K, which I kept over my Pentax SMC 28/2K. If you go with the Vivitar, make sure it's the Close Focus model, 55mm model, whose closest focus mark, like the Kiron's, is 1 foot (0.3 m). Some specimens say CF on the front for Close Focus; others don't. Avoid the Vivitar 28/2 that uses a 49mm filter. It's not the same lens, even if it focuses as close. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unforgiving Velvia
Bruce Dayton wrote: Kevin, For slides, Velvia teamed with Fuji Provia 100F or Agfa RSXII 100. The other two are not so contrasty and would do nicely when the Velvia wouldn't. Also the Agfa RSXII 50 does very nicely. It is contrasty, but less saturated than Velvia. For Prints, the new Agfa Ultra 100 or Agfa Optima II 100 for contrasty, saturated images and either Konica Impressa 50 or Fuji Reala 100 for less contrast. The Optima II 100 scans very nicely with my Microtek 5900 Bruce Jeff.
PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off!!! You gotta see the designs for this!
Pentax announces ultra compact Optio S
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp - CES 2003: Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off. ... - It's a astonishing but Pentax-typical innovation: small but powerful. Now we can see the advantages of Pentax's PS experience. Regards, Heiko
Re: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
Hi Rob, on 08 Jan 03 you wrote in pentax.list: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Damned - you were faster...;-) Regards, Heiko
I have just joined the list
Hello, everybody ... I have just joined the list today after reading it for about a week. Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Marcel, and I have been involved inphotography for many years. My first camera was a Pentax Spotmatic, which I still have, although for the past twenty years I kave been using newer bodies, and have some LX cameras, a few MX cameras, and, of course, the venerable ME Super. After trying many lenses from Pentax the early SMC Pentax lenses seemed most satisfactory, and I now have many such optics The MX is my favorite camera, and I am always looking for good bodies, preferably in black. I like the small size and that it's a manual camera. The LX is OK, and it has a purpose for some special uses, but it is too big a noisy many times. I make many kinds of photographs, and prefer working with people. The exploration of macro and close up photography is very interesting to me, and I am beginning to explore that. Pentax has nice close up gear. So, there you are. Thank you. Marcel Appenzzell _ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
RE: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
Yeah, but equally as amazed by the 'sliding lens elements' design I think - kudos to Pentax here. I just wonder if this will cause reliability problems? -Original Message- From: Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 January 2003 17:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR Hi Rob, on 08 Jan 03 you wrote in pentax.list: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Damned - you were faster...;-) Regards, Heiko
Re: I have just joined the list
Welcome to the list, Marcel. Don't forget to check out our members' monthly gallery at http://pug.komkon.org/. There is information on submitting your own work at the bottom of the gallery page. t On 1/8/03 9:19 AM, Marcel Appenzzell wrote: Hello, everybody ... I have just joined the list today after reading it for about a week. Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Marcel, and I have been involved inphotography for many years. My first camera was a Pentax Spotmatic, which I still have, although for the past twenty years I kave been using newer bodies, and have some LX cameras, a few MX cameras, and, of course, the venerable ME Super. After trying many lenses from Pentax the early SMC Pentax lenses seemed most satisfactory, and I now have many such optics The MX is my favorite camera, and I am always looking for good bodies, preferably in black. I like the small size and that it's a manual camera. The LX is OK, and it has a purpose for some special uses, but it is too big a noisy many times. I make many kinds of photographs, and prefer working with people. The exploration of macro and close up photography is very interesting to me, and I am beginning to explore that. Pentax has nice close up gear. So, there you are. Thank you. Marcel Appenzzell _ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
RE: I have just joined the list
-Original Message- From: Marcel Appenzzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hello, everybody ... I have just joined the list today after reading it for about a week. Mi Marcel, welcome aboard. Marcel Appenzzell Are you Swiss? I've been to Apppenzell...brought home a few pounds of that good cheese tv
New Lens system for compact cameras from Pentax
CES 2003: Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off. Diagramm of the sliding lens http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Ciao Andreas
Re: I have just joined the list
Welcome to the PDML. We're glad you're here. At 12:19 PM 1/8/03, you wrote: Hello, everybody ... I have just joined the list today after reading it for about a week. Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Marcel, and I have been involved inphotography for many years. SNIP
Re: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
Hi Rob, on 08 Jan 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Yeah, but equally as amazed by the 'sliding lens elements' design I think - kudos to Pentax here. Yes, that's really great. Is this a technology that Pentax was able to transfer from a SLR lens or is it a complete innovation? I just wonder if this will cause reliability problems? I don't think so. I always thought of my Optio 330RS as tiny and I wondered how they managed to built the lens mechanics. But it proofed to be very reliable and stable. And now my 330RS even looks like a block compared to the new Optio S... =:-) Regards, Heiko
RE: I have just joined the list
Not Suisse - Polish. The story of how and why I have this name is long and complicated. From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you Swiss? I've been to Apppenzell...brought home a few pounds of that good cheese _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: LIMITEDS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD
...also shooting with a Tokina 28=70mm ATX pro 2.6-2.8 and 24-90mm Pentax (flares pretty badly but is sharp and contrasty... wayne It's the first time I hear the 24-90mm flares badly. What I have heard until now is that it is a very low flare wide-angle zoom. Could you be a bit more precise about the conditions that bring flare and the amount of flare? I was considering buying this lens, now I have a doubt. Andre --
Re: Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual?
I hope he's not wrong.I base a lot of camera/lens purchases with that infoG Dave Begin Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:34:02 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: once again, which AF body has hyper-program/hyper-manual? dave- that's the info i got from boz's site but when i went to look at the info on the various cameras on ebay, no one seems to mention hy-m or hy-p. could the boz info be wrong? i ask because i'm so impressed w/the pz-1p and am wondering if i should buy another pz-1p as a back-up body or get a cheaper af body (zx-l) and live w/o hy=p/hy-m. thoughts? thanks in advance be well rob In a message dated 1/8/03 11:09:41 AM, pentax-discuss-d- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The print out i have from Boz's site shows the PZ-1p PZ-1 Z-5p Z50- P and Z-5 having HP and HM. Hope that helps Dave End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: LIMITEDS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's the first time I hear the 24-90mm flares badly. What I have heard until now is that it is a very low flare wide-angle zoom. it's also the first time i have heard that too. i admit that the 24-90mm has more flare than my FA* 24mm, but then again, that is comparing a very good zoom with a superb prime. Herb
Re: I have just joined the list
I have been involved inphotography for many years. My first camera was a Pentax Spotmatic, which I still have, although for the past twenty years I kave been using newer bodies, and have some LX cameras, a few MX cameras, and, of course, the venerable ME Super. After trying many lenses from Pentax the early SMC Pentax lenses seemed most satisfactory, and I now have many such optics Well, you are in the right place. Welcome, Marcel. --Mike
Re: I have just joined the list
Marcel Appenzzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MX is my favorite camera, and I am always looking for good bodies, preferably in black. The Pentax MX rules, baby! The LX is OK, and it has a purpose for some special uses, but it is too big a noisy many times. Oh, and there's those insufferable LX owners... ;-P -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
DSLR sell so slowly and are so fast out of date This phrase is a non-sequitur. It does not mean a thing. I bought a DSLR a few months ago, and if it is superseded at the PMA, fine. I would not consider mine to be 'out of date', whatever that means. Would one consider a PZ-1, or an LX, or a Spotmatic 'out of date' right now? If it was in working order and being used, I would define that as very much 'in date'! IMO the term 'out of date' is part of the gotta-have hype, is frankly unhelpful, and should apply only to film, chemicals, and milk! Not getting specifically at you, Pal, I understand the way you used the term, and what you meant by it. I simply produce a point of view regarding it. Cotty (exp. 02/05) Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: My New ZX-L
Hi! Mike, I'd like to talk to you off the forum. Since I realize that you may be getting numerous e-mails on daily basis I am asking your permission here. No problem! I'm hard to get in touch with by phone (+1 262/513-8951) but easy to get in touch with by e-mail. --Mike
Re: I have just joined the list
Hi Marcel, welcome to the PDML! Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Cotty wrote: a few months ago, and if it is superseded at the PMA, fine. I would not consider mine to be 'out of date', whatever that means. Would one consider a PZ-1, or an LX, or a Spotmatic 'out of date' right now? If it Absolutely. Well, sort of absolutely. The Spotmatic is no longer produced. There are no new spare parts. There is no more service. There's not even lenses made for its mount. Its about as out of date as it gets. Its still usable, and its just as functional now as the day you may have bought it, but let's be honest, its out of date. The LX is no longer produced, some places won't service it. I believe there's no more spare parts. Its still usable, and at least you can buy new lenses for it, but I would say its out of date. I don't know anything about the PZ-1. Your D60 will no longer be current, its not out of date and its not even obsolete, but I believe teh word they use to describe something like that would obsolescent. Perfectly usable, perfectly functional, but no longer current. But, just like the Spottie and the LX and the PZ-1, still perfectly servicable and usable.. even better, since I'm sure spares will be manufactured for it for some time, yet. Cotty (exp. 02/05) Oh, I figured you expired sometime ago.. ;) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Maybe a few months isn't a big deal, but if you had purchased a digital camera from the same era as the PZ-1, I think everyone would agree that it is out of date! t On 1/8/03 11:37 AM, Cotty wrote: DSLR sell so slowly and are so fast out of date This phrase is a non-sequitur. It does not mean a thing. I bought a DSLR a few months ago, and if it is superseded at the PMA, fine. I would not consider mine to be 'out of date', whatever that means. Would one consider a PZ-1, or an LX, or a Spotmatic 'out of date' right now? If it was in working order and being used, I would define that as very much 'in date'! IMO the term 'out of date' is part of the gotta-have hype, is frankly unhelpful, and should apply only to film, chemicals, and milk! Not getting specifically at you, Pal, I understand the way you used the term, and what you meant by it. I simply produce a point of view regarding it. Cotty (exp. 02/05) Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax announces ultra compact Optio S
The opposite of ineffective megapixels. At 10:30 AM 1/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: The wweb site says 3 Megapixels, effective. What are 'effective megapixels?' keith Heiko Hamann wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp - CES 2003: Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off. ... - It's a astonishing but Pentax-typical innovation: small but powerful. Now we can see the advantages of Pentax's PS experience. Regards, Heiko Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
I assume product life. As opposed to the LX which had a product life of oh about 20 years. Digital technology is changing so quickly... Useable lifetime will be much longer. My question is if the cameras themselves last 20 years will there still be consumables available for them. At 07:29 PM 1/8/2003 +, you wrote: As Pentax have recently claimed that their digital camera will have a lifespan of six months, it seems likely it is a new version of the then outdated DSLR shown this spring! Can I just clear something up? What exactly do you mean by a 'lifespan' of 6 months? Do you mean a 'shelf-life' in the stores? Obviously you do not mean the usable life of the camera! Is it perhaps the span of time between 'upgrades' or models? Would-be digital SLR purchasers: I think there is too much hype around 'gotta-have' thinking. The problem with computers where once you buy one, a few months down the line they introduce a sleaker, faster, bigger model is in danger of being duplicated in the digital camera arena. This mind-set is plain daft. If you approach the task mindfully, keeping your requirements from digital photography to the fore, and dutifully try and ignore the gotta-have feeling, then there is no reason at all to be worried about what you might miss out on. Decide what it is you want, what you are prepared to pay, and make your choice accordingly. Do your research, find your entry point, and go for it. Then get into what you have and enjoy it. Go use your gear and have some fun. Digital is about using the things, not about collecting them - Spotties they ain't! .02, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Timothy Sherburne wrote: Maybe a few months isn't a big deal, but if you had purchased a digital camera from the same era as the PZ-1, I think everyone would agree that it is out of date! My Casio QV-10a is out of date? But.. its got 320x240 resolution pictures! -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
My PUG Faves Pt. I
I don't know what the attitude is around here for making comments on the PUG. I was going to last month, but I figured, Oh, I'm just a newbie/novice, so no one will be interested in my opinion. OTOH, everyone likes feedback. So I decided to take a wack at it this month. I was going to pick out five and make comments. But there are so many nice/good/great photos I couldn't pick out so few. So finally I settled on 10. (I had/have about 15-20 in my list, but I had to cut it off somewhere, or not get anything else done today at all :-)). Bear with me, I have to use AOL's web mail to send email to the mailing list (regular AOL seems to be considered not plain text), and that is tedious, so I am going to break this into two posts. Pacific Twilight by Harald Rust Wow! This is my favorite, favorite. It makes me want to be there. Good landscape/nature photographs have that affect on me, making me want to be there. Beautiful colors, like a muted rainbow in reverse, nice reflection in the pool, and great composition. Simply beautiful. Hypnosis by Piotr Wilkonski Great bird shot. But not only a great shot, he looks world-weary and irritated. And on second glance one could wonder who's inside the fence, the child or the bird? Who's staring at whom? This is a great inside/outside shot and to top it off you can almost think you can see the bird thinking, So what are you looking at, kid? Flood Water by Petr Pazour This looks like a painting (probably no higher praise from me :-)). Already a great shot of hazy water, until one notices the incongruous drowned lamp post on the right, then it becomes quite disconcerting. Majestic and scary at the same time -- the fury and beauty of nature combined. The Clue, Storm King State Park by Herb Chong This photo of reddish and/or dry trees in snow is very understated and that is its strength. The limited color range, rolling hills, and shadows makes for a very impressionistic image. One that I could hang on the wall and not grow tired of soon because of its subtlety. Jumping High by Paul Stone Okay, I am a s_cker (oops) for wild life and deer in particular. And I like seeing wild life in different situations and how they interact with the increasingly man-made world around them. This shows that very well and I appreciate how the photographer had to be quick off the mark to catch the deer just as it was jumping over the fence. Next five, next post. Doe aka Marnie
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Hi, Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 2:22:34 PM, you wrote: Unless I see a quoted reference on who makes mony from what, I assume it's bogus. Everyone knows is a meaninless statement, unless someone can show where they got their numbers. I also see facts extrapolated into fantasy. Things like: Nikon lost money on the F3 in last few years of production, due to rising labor costs, stretched into All pro cameras are sold at a loss. I assume you opinion in the matter is equal bogus until you back it up with figures. I mean, what values have your opinion if it is only based on your belief system? this explains a great deal - Pal doesn't know the difference between a statement of fact and a statement of opinion! --- Bob
Re: OT: Big Film/Paper buyout
Collin, Just sent off my check today (1-8-3) for one box (20 rolls) of the Supra. Sorry I'm late. Thanks for your patience! keith whaley Collin Brendemuehl wrote: I got one. Boy is it nice. Here's some bargains for PDML that won't go on eBay (unless nobody wants 'em): #1 Kodak Supra 400 20 roll boxes, 35mm, 36 exp., dated 06/02, I've got 5 of these boxes. $30 per box. #2 Kodak PJ800 Ektapress 20 roll boxes, 35mm, 36 exp., dated 07/01, I've got 3 of these boxes. $30 per box. #3 Ektachrome 100 professional 100 ft bulk 35mm, dated 5/01 11/00 Got 2, $10 each #4 Ektachrome 200 professional 100 ft. bulk 35mm, Dated 7@01/02, 1@08/02 Got 8, $10 each No US shipping
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Well if you don't include the F/ES mount you can still buy new lenses for the Spotmatic, just not from pentax. Service is still available from Pentax, for the LX. The PZ1p is still listed as a current model on the Pentax USA web site as of yesterday. Each of these are still usable, as consumables i.e. batteries and film, are still available for them. What will be the status of consumables for a DSLR 20 years after it is discontinued, (that is if you consider a memory card/stick/whatever consumable), batteries are certainly in that category however. At 02:52 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Cotty wrote: a few months ago, and if it is superseded at the PMA, fine. I would not consider mine to be 'out of date', whatever that means. Would one consider a PZ-1, or an LX, or a Spotmatic 'out of date' right now? If it Absolutely. Well, sort of absolutely. The Spotmatic is no longer produced. There are no new spare parts. There is no more service. There's not even lenses made for its mount. Its about as out of date as it gets. Its still usable, and its just as functional now as the day you may have bought it, but let's be honest, its out of date. The LX is no longer produced, some places won't service it. I believe there's no more spare parts. Its still usable, and at least you can buy new lenses for it, but I would say its out of date. I don't know anything about the PZ-1. Your D60 will no longer be current, its not out of date and its not even obsolete, but I believe teh word they use to describe something like that would obsolescent. Perfectly usable, perfectly functional, but no longer current. But, just like the Spottie and the LX and the PZ-1, still perfectly servicable and usable.. even better, since I'm sure spares will be manufactured for it for some time, yet. Cotty (exp. 02/05) Oh, I figured you expired sometime ago.. ;) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #8
If the information is there you can get it out. It may be poor in quality. And one wouldn't use the kind of image processing I mention on bacterial cells. Perhaps on some of their ultrastructural components. The calls are not ordered enough and they are far far too big. The purple membrane of photosynthetic bacteria has been studied by electron microscopy and image analysis. And who wouldn't like perfect images and clean spectra? Don Don Williams ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Gregory L. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #8 Dr E D F Williams said: It does not matter how noisy a signal is, if the information is there it can be retrieved. In Electron Microscopy the images are often terribly noisy. For ordered structures Fourier transforms, rotational symmetry, or a combination of methods is useful. I have programs to do things like that and if I can find a decent electron micrograph of a virus I'll try to prepare some images that illustrate the cleaning of an image. Image processing can be done in real time on an optical bench, but its more difficult. It matters, but it depends on the application. Pictures of virii are usually shown in black and white, for instance, and bacteria stained to present false colors. What's important there is to see structure. In my case, I've been trying to extract signal that's a factor of 100 smaller than the noise, and it's not easy and I don't really trust the results I'm getting. There's nothing to do but keep taking data until the statistics favor me. In terms of photography, if you have too much noise you might be able to clean up a picture and clearly see the features of a dog, but lose much of the texture of fur and other small details. It's always better when your raw data is as clean as possible.
Re: Pentax announces ultra compact Optio S
Aha! Excellent explanation. I was afraid it might mean they had some way to make a 2.7 megapixels image LOOK LIKE it came from 3.0 megapixels! Thanks for the clarification. keith whaley Mark Roberts wrote: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wweb site says 3 Megapixels, effective. What are 'effective megapixels?' There are pixels around the edge of the sensor that aren't in the picture area. They're used for setting black level reference. 3 Megapixels, effective means that it's a 3-point-something megapixel CCD but only three megapixels are used to form the image. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
My PUG Faves Pt. II
Captive Boredom by Boris Liberman Great photo of a leopard, naturally, but I also like the rocky background and shallow depth of field -- very nice framing. The bars off to the side show the cat is in captivity without overemphasizing that fact, and he certainly looks bored. Beetle Thistle by Dan Scott There are several nice macro shots, so I am not totally sure why this one grabbed me the most. I think it's the lovely purple. And the fact that it is against green -- that is always an interesting color combination. The beetle curving around the thistle adds interest, scale, further defines the thistle round form, and, of course, really makes the photo. Very nice close-up. Antique Straw Hats by Lon Williamson I don't quite know why this captured my whimsy, but it did/does. The simplicity of the photo is part of it: the simplicity of the subject, the number of items in the frame, and the composition. I guess it tickles me because the hats sort of look like they are dancing, so it makes me want to doff one and dance. Harvest Time by Leon Altoff Ditto here -- a simple and effective photo. If the photographer had not explained what the items are I would no idea. But it's not really necessary to know what they are, because they make a nice abstract with intriguing interweaving lines. Nice composition. Krajkowo in Red by Marciej Marchlewski This also looks like a painting :-). In fact a painting by a famous oil painter (but one who's name I cannot think of off-hand.) It's a little too dark, I would lighten it up a bit (either printing or scanning -- also maybe it darkened in the scanning process). But the sun reflecting on clouds gives it punch, and it is an interesting study of one color. Oh, sheesh, there were so many other ones that grabbed me. But remember, I am a novice. And I hope I spelled everyone's names right. Now the question is do I have the gall to post this (these)? Doe aka Marnie (Guess so. :-))
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Totally true, Cotty. I bought my Epson PhotoPC 1.3 M-pixel camera rather early in the game. Paid a fair amount for it, I did, compared to what one gets today, but...I have enjoyed the heck out of it! It seems to ME like it gives me 3 megapixel images, because for whatever reason they look absolutely great on the computer screen and I'm very satisfied with what I have. Whatever methods Epson used to take and deliver an image to my screen, it works. Period! While I may hanker for some other neat little (new) digital camera on occasion, I'm very satisfied with what Epson produced, and with my eventual choice. I'll hang with what I have and be happy I bought what I did. keith whaley Cotty wrote: As Pentax have recently claimed that their digital camera will have a lifespan of six months, it seems likely it is a new version of the then outdated DSLR shown this spring! Can I just clear something up? What exactly do you mean by a 'lifespan' of 6 months? Do you mean a 'shelf-life' in the stores? Obviously you do not mean the usable life of the camera! Is it perhaps the span of time between 'upgrades' or models? Would-be digital SLR purchasers: I think there is too much hype around 'gotta-have' thinking. The problem with computers where once you buy one, a few months down the line they introduce a sleaker, faster, bigger model is in danger of being duplicated in the digital camera arena. This mind-set is plain daft. If you approach the task mindfully, keeping your requirements from digital photography to the fore, and dutifully try and ignore the gotta-have feeling, then there is no reason at all to be worried about what you might miss out on. Decide what it is you want, what you are prepared to pay, and make your choice accordingly. Do your research, find your entry point, and go for it. Then get into what you have and enjoy it. Go use your gear and have some fun. Digital is about using the things, not about collecting them - Spotties they ain't! .02, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Well, I guess I should rephrase my initial comment: if you have an application that can make good use of older technology, then that technology isn't out of date. I have an old Connectix Quick Cam that I don't use anymore because I want features and a level of quality over what it has to offer. However, this person has made use of one: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/3839/spblacknwhite.html Hmmm. t On 1/8/03 12:14 PM, gfen wrote: On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Timothy Sherburne wrote: Maybe a few months isn't a big deal, but if you had purchased a digital camera from the same era as the PZ-1, I think everyone would agree that it is out of date! My Casio QV-10a is out of date? But.. its got 320x240 resolution pictures!
Re: My New ZX-L
Be sure and send Mike lots of kitten and flower photos in email. It makes his day. Doug always helpful At 02:38 PM 1/8/03, you wrote: Hi! Mike, I'd like to talk to you off the forum. Since I realize that you may be getting numerous e-mails on daily basis I am asking your permission here. No problem! I'm hard to get in touch with by phone (+1 262/513-8951) but easy to get in touch with by e-mail. --Mike
OT: Today
Well, it's getting late. Now more things need to go. FA43/1.9 Limited. Excellent + $300 with box, pouch, caps, papers ZX-5n, very good condition. $130 What I paid for it ZX-5n, AF fails. $40 Treat it like a ZX-M but with spot meter metal mount And, just picked up today ... SP1000 with Super Takumar 55/1.8, Vivitar 2x tc $60 In very good condition. Body in very clean shape. The advance mechanism needs cleaned but works fine. Haven't picked up a batter to test the meter yet. Shutter works well. I'll get back to the list with the availability of film from the batch. Bob S, it went out today. (+ shipping) Thanks, Collin
Floods, WAS: OT: Manfrotto tripod mini-report
That night I kept having nightmares about having to wade through floodwater downstairs! First light i looked out and breathed a sigh of relief to see no appreciable rise. The stake confirmed it. My mother's house in Cambridge (MA) flooded so badly a couple of years ago that it came within a foot of the first-floor joists. He washing machine was _floating_ and bumping against the basement ceiling! They lost a lot of stuff, including some family heirlooms and old photographs. Heat is the weather phenomenon most dangerous to humans, statistically, but I'll bet flooding is the chief danger to the survival of historical artifacts on paper, such as photographs. --Mike
Re: Pentax M SMC 28-50 40-80 Zooms?
Are these good zooms, in terms of image quality? Is the 28-50 a rare lens? Not rare, but not common either. I have never tried the 28-50mm I got for a bargain price one day. But I used the 24-35mm and both zooms share the same style and construction (very high quality). I have seen a test in Camerart (Japanese magazine written in english) on 28-50mm lenses. It was the smallest one and not as good as C*n*n's big and expensive 28-50, especially wide open. I'd use it at apertures smaller than 5.6. Andre --
Vs: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
OK - but what the $£§ are Altoids - do I have to get some? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 08. tammikuuta 2003 18:10 Aihe: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off!!! You gotta see the designs for this!
Vs: LIMITEDS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD
Mine does not flare badly, hardly at all would be correct. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 08. tammikuuta 2003 18:49 Aihe: Re: LIMITEDS ARE S GOOD ...also shooting with a Tokina 28=70mm ATX pro 2.6-2.8 and 24-90mm Pentax (flares pretty badly but is sharp and contrasty... wayne It's the first time I hear the 24-90mm flares badly. What I have heard until now is that it is a very low flare wide-angle zoom. Could you be a bit more precise about the conditions that bring flare and the amount of flare? I was considering buying this lens, now I have a doubt. Andre --
Re: Vs: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SOSMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
They're curiously strong mints. See http://www.altoids.com/ for more info. t On 1/8/03 1:52 PM, Raimo Korhonen wrote: OK - but what the $£§ are Altoids - do I have to get some? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 08. tammikuuta 2003 18:10 Aihe: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off!!! You gotta see the designs for this!
Re: Pentax announces ultra compact Optio S
Hi Pål, on 08 Jan 03 you wrote in pentax.list: This camera is going to be a hit. Yes, certainly. I also agree to gfen's considerations - for most consumers design and size matters. And the Optio S not only offers this but also technical state of the art. Interestingly, they choose to show it off now and not wait until PMA next month. This could indicate that news they have for PMA are far more substantial. I hope so. I postponed my MZ-S buy in order to see what they will bring to us... Cheers, Heiko
Re: Vs: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SOSMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Raimo Korhonen wrote: OK - but what the $£§ are Altoids - do I have to get some? They're curiously strong. (r) And curiously unpleasant, chalky, and little mints, although the cinnamon ones are kinda tasty. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
D60 discontinued
Hi, seems to be the day of digital surprises. German Heise Verlag reports, that the French Canon subsidiary has discontinued the production of its D60 and is only selling the stocks http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ klp-08.01.03-000/). It seems to be Canon's explicit strategy to plan and prescribe a certain production number and to keep to this number in order to be flexible in a market of short lifecycles. This makes an D90 at the PMA very likely, IMO, and it gives an impression of the dynamics that Pentax will have to face. Cheers, Heiko
RE: I have just joined the list
Mark, You realize I will have to beat you about the head and shoulders with all of mine - both normal and re-skinned ;-) As an aside, my trip to GFM is in jeopardy. I believe I have a triathlon to support that day :-( Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:29 PM -- -- Marcel Appenzzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- -- The MX is my favorite camera, and I am always looking for -- good bodies, -- preferably in black. -- -- The Pentax MX rules, baby! -- -- The LX is OK, and it has a purpose for some special uses, -- but it is too big -- a noisy many times. -- -- Oh, and there's those insufferable LX owners... -- ;-P -- -- -- -- Mark Roberts -- Photography and writing -- www.robertstech.com --
Re: Vs: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SOSMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
On 1/8/03 1:23 PM, gfen wrote: They're curiously strong. (r) And curiously unpleasant, chalky, and little mints, although the cinnamon ones are kinda tasty. Don't forget about the ginger, speramint, wintergreen, tangerine and lime mints... Those citrus flavors have some serious pucker factor. Kinda like seeing a gold snakeskin LX! ;) t
Re: Vs: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
Raimo Korhonen [asks]: OK - but what the $£§ are Altoids - do I have to get some? They're simply Curiously Refreshing® I think originally British, they're strong mints that come in a small, rectangular tin with a cover. keith whaley = snipped = -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 08. tammikuuta 2003 18:10 Aihe: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010801pentaxoptios.asp Pentax has today announced the ultra tiny Optio S digital camera. The new three megapixel, three times optical zoom 'Optio S' measures just 83 x 52 x 20 mm (3.3 x 2.0 x 0.8 in) and weighs 115 g (4.1 oz) loaded with its Lithium-Ion battery and an SD storage card. The Optio S has a tough and stylish aluminium alloy case and has a more 'designer' look than the previous Optio digital cameras. This amazing feat of miniturisation was achieved with a unique sliding lens, a design which has elements which slide out of the imaging path when powered off!!! You gotta see the designs for this!
Re: OT: Big Film/Paper buyout
I assume that the dates listed are expiration dates. How long is film good past the expiration date? Michael Cross Keith Whaley wrote: Collin, Just sent off my check today (1-8-3) for one box (20 rolls) of the Supra. Sorry I'm late. Thanks for your patience! keith whaley Collin Brendemuehl wrote: I got one. Boy is it nice. Here's some bargains for PDML that won't go on eBay (unless nobody wants 'em): #1 Kodak Supra 400 20 roll boxes, 35mm, 36 exp., dated 06/02, I've got 5 of these boxes. $30 per box. #2 Kodak PJ800 Ektapress 20 roll boxes, 35mm, 36 exp., dated 07/01, I've got 3 of these boxes. $30 per box. #3 Ektachrome 100 professional 100 ft bulk 35mm, dated 5/01 11/00 Got 2, $10 each #4 Ektachrome 200 professional 100 ft. bulk 35mm, Dated 7@01/02, 1@08/02 Got 8, $10 each No US shipping
Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
On 8 Jan 2003 at 17:24, Dr E D F Williams wrote: It does not matter how noisy a signal is, if the information is there it can be retrieved. In Electron Microscopy the images are often terribly noisy. For ordered structures Fourier transforms, rotational symmetry, or a combination of methods is useful. I have programs to do things like that and if I can find a decent electron micrograph of a virus I'll try to prepare some images that illustrate the cleaning of an image. Image processing can be done in real time on an optical bench, but its more difficult. Ah, yes but this type of processing is designed to to enhance visibility, however it doesn't necessarily preserve fidelity. Your example would be similar to applying a broad band audio signal to a narrow band pass filter in order that a voice signal be rendered more audible with a loss of all out of band information. This is not what we are talking about WRT high performance optical sensor performance limitations and post processing. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: I have just joined the list
Many enjoy the off-topic threads more than anything... Unfortunately... Fred
Re: Vs: PENTAX DEBUTS A HIGH-QUALITY ZOOM LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SO SMALL THAT IT FITS INTO A TIN OF ALTOIDSR
In a message dated 1/8/2003 4:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raimo Korhonen [asks]: OK - but what the $£§ are Altoids - do I have to get some? They're simply Curiously Refreshing® I think originally British, they're strong mints that come in a small, rectangular tin with a cover. keith whaley Also the empty tins make good containers for paperclips, pushpins, and things like that. They are probably sold in the US at 7-11. Was at friends house the other day, and he eats those things. Tin is about 3-1/4 inches long, 2 inches wide, and 3/4 of an inch deep. (I can't think in meters.) So that is a very tiny camera. HTH, Doe aka Marnie
Re: I have just joined the list
I enjoy discussions about photography as well as discussions about equipment. Is discussing photography - especially with Pentax cameras - off topic? Marcel Appenzzell From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many enjoy the off-topic threads more than anything... Unfortunately... _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: My New ZX-L
Be sure and send Mike lots of kitten and flower photos in email. It makes his day. Easy, Brewer. I know where you live and what you look like! g --Mike P.S. Subjects off-limits in my 2nd-year photo class in art school (by agreement of the students, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, not per dicta of the teachers): Cows (except for Sarah, who lived on a beef cattle farm and took pictures of cows constantly) Kittens Flowers, living Portugese rowboats tied up at the wharf Sunsets, except if photographed in black-and-white Every Ansel Adams cliché: Sub. A, that damn church in Taos Sub B, aspen leaves against a dark background Sub. C, Mono Lake Sub D., Bodie ghost town Sub E, anything in or around Yosemite, especially Half Dome and Bridalveil Falls etc. The Flatiron building Male genitals The homeless Cute kids, except if they're yours Anything with the word abstract in the title Farmland Etc., etc., etc --Mike
Re: Minolta and Konica to merge
best not to go down where? - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Minolta and Konica to merge This brings up a horrible joke, best not go there. At 02:53 AM 1/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: Minolta + Konica = MONICA?? Pat Temmerman [MZ3_fella] ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: I have just joined the list
Hi Marcel, Welcome to the list. - Original Message - From: Marcel Appenzzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: I have just joined the list Hello, everybody ...
Re: Pentax announces ultra compact Optio S
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: Or it could mean that they will have no announcements at PMA at all! ;-) The idea did cross my mind but I quickly forgot it. Yeah, if they had nothing else on tap, they'd definitely save the Optio for PMA. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Layers in Photoshop
Butch Black wrote: Hi Don; The NAPP sells some wonderful Photoshop training videos including one on layer techniques. They are reasonably priced (3 for $100, $39.99 ea)you can order them at; www.photoshopuser.com BUTCH You mean, after paying 7ty-eleven jillion $'s for PhotoShop, I'm going to spend another hundert or so just learn how to USE it?! Reasonably priced? NFW! But...thanks for the offer! g keith whaley
Re: I have just joined the list
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, LX owners are more sufferable than those in the vaunted Brotherhood (6x7 owners, to you neophytes) - mind you, the Brotherhood has been pretty quiet since Aaron left the list. vbg You're quite right about that. Really puts things in perspective. Hey, Cesar, you gotta get a 67 and put a snakeskin cover on THAT! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Digital equiv. of a 67 Negative
At 4000ppi, I've calculated the P67 negative to be ~ 90 Mpixel. Even at 2000ppi, it's over 22Mpixel. How long before we get these kind of numbers out of a DSLR? JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My Business references Websites: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/jco/
Re: dumb digital question
I am glad you know this. Because PS5.5 has the printer selection blanked out with the 820 on USB. With it on the parallel port no problem. It is not a USB problem because the printer works fine with all the newer programs. Of course, if you have a 820, running on the USB port, with PS5.5 please let me know how to do it. If you don't, then I think my experience trumps your belief's. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: dumb digital question Not true, Tom. If your Operating System supports USB, it will direct printer output there for you. Photoshop doesn't bypass the Operating System for printer output. If your computer has USB ports, then it should be safe to say that your OS supports them. You may have to look for updated USB drivers, though. Len --- not find that screen setting, of course since I saw it I changed from a parallel port to a USB connection. Maybe I need to change back. In fact I do anyway because photoshop 5.5 knows nothing about USB. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: I have just joined the list
Hi Marcel; Actually discussions of photography, especially when taken with Pentax equipment is very much on topic. The list does have an occasional tendency to take an off topic thread and run wild with it. Just take it with a grain of salt and it will eventually run its course. One of the things I especially like about the list is its international nature. You mentioned that you are Polish. We have a number of Polish members on the list. You will also find on the list a wealth of Pentax and general (and specific) photographic knowledge. Welcome BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian)
The O Word g
I enjoy discussions about photography as well as discussions about equipment. Is discussing photography - especially with Pentax cameras - off topic? I certainly hope not. That would be rather limiting, not to mention unenforceable. We do have an unspoken rule, however, to ignore Bruce Rubenstein when he has one of his periodic attacks of dysphemism and cusses and insults other peoples' immediate female forebearers, and I plug my fingers in my ears and go WAH-WAH-WAH-WAH really loud when people start talking about guns. We generally do our best to stay away from politics, mainly because the Republicans on the list are pathetically blind to how wrong they are and we don't want to antagonize them. When the conversation devolves to alcoholic drinks, the LUG (Leica User Group) holds long discussions about single-malt whiskies. When we do, we talk about home-brewing beer. That about sums up the difference between the two groups. Talking about home-brewing beer is on-topic because our list-owner is named Brewer. When the pooh-bahs of the list (I am NOT!) get into pissing matches about who knows more, it's considered good manners not to change the thread title so people can more conveniently delete the messages without reading them. Pal sometimes sounds supercilious. This is okay, because for the most part his information is very good. Cotty drinks, but we love him. These are the topics we have already completely exhaused: whether the 50/1.7 or the 50/1.4 is better; everything having to do with tripods; everything having to do with flash; everything having to do with lenses; everything having to do with camera bodies; everything having to do with the camera industry; everything having to do with film; everything having to do with processing; everything having to do with all existing Pentax products. The above list leaves off 781 things we have also already discussed to death. The only reliable topic of conversation is predicting the future. This we do at great length and sometimes with great fierceness. The less we actually know about anything, the better our discussion are. Take it from there. Once again, welcome to Kindergarten! --Mike
Re: Digital equiv. of a 67 Negative
On 8 Jan 2003 at 18:20, J. C. O'Connell wrote: At 4000ppi, I've calculated the P67 negative to be ~ 90 Mpixel. Even at 2000ppi, it's over 22Mpixel. How long before we get these kind of numbers out of a DSLR? A long time, plus the fact is that a 90M pixel image from a matrix sensor is heavily interpolated so in fact there are less real pixels plus the resolution per sample is higher for scanners at the moment. Let alone the fact that at 4000dpi there is still data to be retrieved in good film. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
