Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Collin R Brendemuehl a écrit :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807434472&category=15240 

Nice looking, though.

CRB


Another ?
Not K1000 labelled ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3806025838


RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

2004-04-02 Thread Malcolm Smith
William Robb wrote:

> They have decided that it is more profitable to screw up and lose the
> delivery. Their insurance coughs up the replacement cost, and in all
> likelyhood they will "deliver" the replacement.
> It's called profiting from ones mistakes, and they have elevated it
> to a business model.

There is a Douglas Adams quality to this statement!

Malcolm




RE: Predictions, anyone?

2004-04-02 Thread Jens Bladt
What Pentax willcome up with at Christmas has already left the "drawing
table" (autocad or whatever) and is on the way to prototyping, testing etc.
NMo need to get or give advice. That train has left already, I believe.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 1. april 2004 00:13
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Predictions, anyone?


I agree but the prediction was for "This Christmas" as in 8 months from now.
Pentax will come up with new DSLRs in the future, I'm sure.  But with their
track record of being slow I wouldn't "predict" anything in that area for
this Christmas.  (and my "more P&S" comment should have been: "More DIGITAL
P&Ses").

Christian

- Original Message -
From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?


> If Pentax were only planning more P&Ss, they would surely not have made
> the big investment in the *ist D, and the new digital lenses.
>
> They are clearly planning to be in the digital SLR market, and with
> APS-sized sensors.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:19:39 -0500, Christian
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > have there been any reviews on the 8700?  8MP and a tiny sensor
> > Seems
> > to me, there have been problems with other cameras (noise at anything
but
> > the lowest ISO and chromatic aberrations) with this combination...
> >
> > I predict only more P&Ses from Pentax...
> >
> > Christian





RE: Predictions, anyone?

2004-04-02 Thread Jens Bladt
Most people use zooms anayway. With non changeable lenses you get almost
zero dust on the CCD. So what's the point of changeable lenses. Woun't they
be history shortly? I mean, they change camera features, CCD's, format etc.
all the time anyway! So why not ditch changable lenses? BEfor you get a
chance to build a full system, the Camera will be obsolete or old news!

Jens Bladt

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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 31. marts 2004 23:01
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Predictions, anyone?


The Nikon 8700 seems to set a new standard.
Nice lens, compact design.  8mp!  Modest price.
Just lacks the integerchangable lens.
I guess they hope to sell it to those shopping for the little Canon
(or even their cheapie) but perhaps wanting to trade interchangable
lenses for a more durable body.  It's really a nice unit.

And the istD seems to be around the $1200 price range (online).

So what will Pentax show this Christmas?
A) Nothing, as always
B) $500 fixed-lens P&S
C) Seriously dropping the istD price to soak the Pentax buyer market
D) Other ___






RE: Memories are made of this

2004-04-02 Thread edwin
> I want to add more memory to one of my machines.  How can I
> determine what type of memory is needed?  There seeems to be
> many types.  Also, what about "speed?"  Need the speed be
> the same as what's currently installed?
> 
> shel

If you have documentation for your motherboard, it should say what kind of 
memory it needs and how it can be installed (older machines sometimes 
needed memory sticks in pairs, for example, and newer ones can often 
FIT more memory than they can actually use)

Failing that, I'd take one of the chips out and take it to a computer 
store and have them tell you what the heck it is.  There are a couple of
different sizes and a lot of different technologies (DDR, SDRAM, etc)
and you normally need an exact match to work.  Sometimes computers can
accept several different kinds (sizes or technologies) and need to
be configured in BIOS for this.  

Usually memory that is faster than specified will work, although I don't 
know how MUCH faster will work.  100 used to work fine at 66, and 133 at 
100, but I don't think they promise any greater difference.  Note that
the memory that is IN the machine already may in fact be faster than
the motherboard spec if the motherboard was an old design and the newer,
faster memory was cheaper or easier to find at the time the machine was
assembled.

This is all assuming PC.  For Mac, it should be a bit easier (less 
variation) but more expensive and possibly harder to find.  I know
nothing about the inside of a Mac, whereas I build PCs from parts.

DJE



Re: PAW Another Cut Re: PAW -- Church on Branford Green

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
As opposed to those non-crass commercial reasons?  

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So my choices were made for crass commercial reasons.  
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cesar's toys

2004-04-02 Thread edwin
. The plan is to carry the *ist D and an LX (I will probably
> take my original one - white cobra) as camera bodies.  Lenses will be FA*
> 24/2, FA Limited 31/1.8, K 50/1.2, and FA Limited 77/1.8. Film will be slide
> probably 50 ISO.  The 645n will stay at home.  Since I do not have anything
> wider than a 28 in my screwmount I will not be taking along any M42 gear...
> Though the 85/1.9 would be tempting.

What has the 85/1.9 got that the 85/1.8 does not?   I know it is a 
different optical design so I'll believe that some property is better, but
I understood the 85/1.8 to be a better design (plus of course there
was a K version).  Those 85/1.9s are still pretty expensive, or I'd buy
one and find out for myself.

Unfortunately, the Takumar lens line was fairly weak wider than 28.  
This may be true of other brands of the time, too.  I didn't get the
impression that the K-mount line was all that strong wider than 28,
with the exceptions of A/FA20, K18.  Realistically, while Canon and Nikon 
may have a few better lenses sub-28, nobody has really good ultrawides
with the exception that most companies seem to make a good 20.

> This is how I have been travelling around lately. With the intense sun
> during most of my shooting I have relied on an external light meter for both
> cameras.  As a matter of fact I have not had the batteries in my LX for
> quite some time. 

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't a K1000 be almost as good as a batteryless
LX?  A lot of the nifty LX features involve the meter and flash circuitry.
I've got a lot of Spotmatics that I run batteryless, because they are 
cheaper than any modern camera that can be run batteryless (and not real 
impressive WITH the battery, compared to a modern camera).

DJE




Re: PAW Another Cut Re: PAW -- Church on Branford Green

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
It's sepia toned in Photoshop.  I'm planning to print it and it's much 
easier to get phony toned prints right on an
ink jet without special gray inks than phony b&w which explains that 
choice.   I like the composition on #1 better
as well but in a print it's much easier to get pre-cut 8x10 openings in 
11x14 matting then something closer to full frame
like 8x12.  So my choices were made for crass commercial reasons.  
(Besides has anyone ever seen 8 1/2 x 12+ paper
for ink jets???  I never have).

frank theriault wrote:

I like #1 better.

The tinting or whatever on #2 isn't to my taste.  And, I like seeing a 
bit more steeple as in #1.

They're both good, though.  I just prefer #1 is all.  Since you asked...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW Another Cut Re: PAW -- Church on Branford Green Date: 
Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:52:47 -0500

I'd like to thank everyone who commented.  There weren't many but the 
way I operate with the PDML is to delete most every message
immediately after reading to keep from hopelessly clogging my 
mailbox, so unfortunately I can't thank everyone individually.  I 
wasn't as
happy with this image as I liked so I've tried a something a bit 
different which is available here.

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen2.html

frank theriault wrote:

Peter,

I like it.  It seems to have a very timeless feel to it;  there are 
no visual cues that this wasn't taken 100 years ago, or 150 years 
ago, except of course that they didn't have TriX then .

I like the framing - chopping off the top of the spire is in"spired" 
(couldn't resist).  I probably would have left it in, to the 
detriment of the strengh of the photo.  Your composition tends to 
emphasize the horseman and coach.

It looks like ad copy for a horse and buggy service - couldn't you 
see this in a Wedding Magazine or something?

All very simple but effective.  Well done!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW -- Church on Branford Green
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:52:36 -0500
I took this on a dull gray day a couple of years ago.  I need to do 
something about the sky, (I think).

Well anyway it's shot in B&W (Tri-X)

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen.html

As always comments are appreciated.

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Re: PAW at last

2004-04-02 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/2/2004 11:14:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello PDML ...

I am still in the process of making my PAW submissions to be good
looking  web pages. Meanwhile, I am posting it kind of raw...

So here goes:

http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/paw/tails.jpg

Kodak TMAX 400 developed in Ilford. Not by me though. Almost no
retouching... Takumar Bayonet 125/2.8 probably at f/11 or f/16. My
trusty ME Super...

What do you say?

Thanks.

Boris

P.S. I guess I'd have to mention it explicitly - I want to hear all
the comments, not necessarily just the good ones.


Well, Boris, afraid this one of those times that I have to say -- this one 
doesn't do much for me. (You did say you want honest)

I can't really see what is in the tree, although I see a tail hanging down. 
And the other monkey -- well, basically the shot is not close enough. Also I am 
surprised it's in B&W. It would be (and animal pics in general) are usually a 
lot more interesting in color. 

So it's too distant and the contrast is too sharp (sunlight, shadow) for it 
to really show the animals clearly. Ergo, I don't get much out of it.

Marnie aka Doe  So, is that reaction acceptable? ;-)



Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
I'm quite certain he was the artist.  I'd seen him on that corner before, 
carving his figurines with a paring knife.  In the second shot:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2253677

you can seen the flecks of soap on his fingers, and around the cuticle of 
one of his fingernails.

I agree, the carvings are crude.  I certainly wasn't presenting them as 
great art, or even art all.  Maybe they are art, maybe not, but that's not 
the point.  I was more interested that someone who seemed to me to be a poor 
tortured soul wanted me to look at and photograph a work that was obviously 
important to him.

I'd seen this man many times prior to taking this photo.  Oddly, I've gone 
back to that corner and others near there since I took these, hoping to chat 
with him again, and maybe take a few more photos, but I've not seen him 
since.  It's been a year now, and I've wondered what happened to him.  I 
hope he's okay.

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:54:29 +0300
Are you sure this man was the artist? I doubt it -- looking at his hands.
But this has nothing to do with the picture. The sculpture, if carved soap
can be described as such, is not so great either. But again that's not the
point. Or is it? I apologise for these words, but they say what I see.
Don
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Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
The number of people who don't read instructions then complain when they 
screw things up is amazing.

Herb Chong wrote:

2 months after that, there was a letter to the editor complaining from some
guy that he took a paintbrush to his camera and ruined it by getting paint
into all the mechanisms. he didn't read the very introduction that said if
you plan to do this yourself, you have to disassemble the camera first.
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

 

Based on what I can see it's a custom job.  Modern Photography had an
article on just how to do this in an issue from about
20 years ago.  The K1000 would have been a perfect model to work with.
   



 





Rechargeable CR-V3 Batts

2004-04-02 Thread Chris
For those who don't already know,especially in Oz,Delkin have released a
rechargeable version of the lithium CR-V3 (RCR-V3) battery.The Australian
Distributor is Baltronics.Contact Kelly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
These may be more expensive at the outset but over the long run should turn
out to be a better investment.
See Steves review at  http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/rcrv3.html

My main concern is longevity of the battery whilst in the camera.Any way
read the the reviews and form your own opinion.
Regards Chris Kennedy





Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource

2004-04-02 Thread Peter Loveday
Actually, there are ways to do things like this.  It is very common for
applications to read every 8th pixel of a JPEG to make a thumbnail, or
display a rough image quickly.

Due to the way JPEG compression works, by doing DCT based compression on 8x8
blocks, a value for each 8th pixel is actually present.  This is commonly
called the "DC component" for the block.  It is usually in YUV colourspace,
of course, so a conversion needs to be done to RGB, but thats trivial.

Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday
Director of Development, eyeon Software


- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource


> JPEG compresses data. you don't know what the nth pixel is until you
> decompress enough of the file to find it. some other formats do row level
> lossless compression, so you can figure out which row to decompress, but
> that is all.
>
> Herb
> - Original Message - 
> From: "vr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
>
>
> > how is that?
> > you can give an order to address and read every 4th pixel from file..
> >
> > what do you think modern databases work like where ypou can get desired
> > bits from huge file in seconds if the file is indexed??
> >
> > though to be faster or more reasonable compared to readin everything the
> > gap should not be every 4th pixel, but much wider..
>
>
>



RE: PAW Another Cut Re: PAW -- Church on Branford Green

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
I like #1 better.

The tinting or whatever on #2 isn't to my taste.  And, I like seeing a bit 
more steeple as in #1.

They're both good, though.  I just prefer #1 is all.  Since you asked...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW Another Cut Re: PAW -- Church on Branford Green Date: Fri, 02 
Apr 2004 12:52:47 -0500

I'd like to thank everyone who commented.  There weren't many but the way I 
operate with the PDML is to delete most every message
immediately after reading to keep from hopelessly clogging my mailbox, so 
unfortunately I can't thank everyone individually.  I wasn't as
happy with this image as I liked so I've tried a something a bit different 
which is available here.

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen2.html

frank theriault wrote:

Peter,

I like it.  It seems to have a very timeless feel to it;  there are no 
visual cues that this wasn't taken 100 years ago, or 150 years ago, except 
of course that they didn't have TriX then .

I like the framing - chopping off the top of the spire is in"spired" 
(couldn't resist).  I probably would have left it in, to the detriment of 
the strengh of the photo.  Your composition tends to emphasize the 
horseman and coach.

It looks like ad copy for a horse and buggy service - couldn't you see 
this in a Wedding Magazine or something?

All very simple but effective.  Well done!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW -- Church on Branford Green
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:52:36 -0500
I took this on a dull gray day a couple of years ago.  I need to do 
something about the sky, (I think).

Well anyway it's shot in B&W (Tri-X)

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen.html

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Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too

2004-04-02 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too


> Now this is going to far...

I would like to apologize for the absurd amount of apologizing going
on.
WW

>
> frank theriault wrote:
>
> > I'd like to apologize for Cotty's apology...
> >
> > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.
The
> > pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> >
> >> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> I feel I must apologise also.




Re: Different films, different results

2004-04-02 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Different films, different results


> Thanks, now when someone tells me to add or subtract a button I'll
have
> some idea of how
> make the adjustments.

If you are trying to match a monilab output, see if the operator will
make you a ring around set of prints.
Many labs have it built in as part of the colour set-up.

William Robb




RE: Some paw thoughts

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
I think those are great ideas, Dave.

What province haven't you worked in?

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Some paw thoughts
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:15:56 US/Eastern
  	Just had a brain storm(damn that hurts.lol)for a series of 
paw's. I have worked
 in 9 of
the 10 Canadian Provinces, and have been to the UK,Denmark and Sweden for 
vacations and
the
Middle East for over seas work.
Just thought i'd post a PAW from the provinces,vacation shots etc.

What say ye.Good idea?

Dave





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GIMP

2004-04-02 Thread edwin
>>Alle 17:32, mercoledì 31 marzo 2004, Frits Wüthrich ha scritto:
>> I don't like the GIMP very much. My experience is not based on the
>> version 2 release though, but on older versions, and only on Linux.
>> 16 bit per colour is not supported, no colour management, awkward user
>> interface, although one might get used to it, a lot of tools don't have
>> a preview for the effects

I'm running GIMP 1.2 under linux and windowsME, and photoshop 3.0 and 5.5
under windows3.1 and MacOS 8.5 respectively.  I run photoshop 7 in MacOS 
9.? at work.

The GIMP 1.2 user interface is fairly similar to photoshop 3.0, and 
appears to have been modeled on it.  Photoshop  has changed a lot, often 
for the worse.  For what I do, Photoshop 3 was more convenient than 4,5,or 5.5.  
PS7 seems to have restored a sane UI for photoshop, but I haven't seen CS.

It is pro color management that keeps me from using GIMP for work.
I've got some nifty curves/levels presets that do about 90% of my digital
darkroom work for me, and if you can do things like that in GIMP I haven't 
figured out how.  

The lack of proper preview for many tools is an annoyance.  GIMP 2.0 may
have improved this. GIMP 1.0 did not have dodge and burn, which was a real 
problem.  GIMP 1.2 does not have brush-size cursors (as far as I can tell) 
which is also a real problem.

GIMP 1.2 DOES have some features that I really wish photoshop 
had--programmable hot keys, for example (PS3 key bindings were changed in 
PS5, and if you can change them back I haven't figured out how) and 
scripting interfaces (which photoshop just recently has, although it has
always had a powerful macro ability).  

GIMP also runs on *nix, and is free.  
These two features explain why I have not bought a version of 
photoshop since my student discount went away.  The cost of PS plus the 
cost of an operating system to run it in exceeds the cost of a good 
digital P&S and approaches the cost of a DSLR, or a bag full of lenses.

>Thank you, I really want to know what a PhotoShop user miss in The GIMP, 
>you
>have pointed out three non-present features (sry, awkward UI isn't a 
>missing
>features for me ;) ).
>I'm going to check out if you are right or if, meanwhile, they have
>implemented them...

GIMP 2.0 appears to be primarily revamped UI and changes under the hood.
I don't know how much additional functionality it has, other than a text 
tool that is now more like photoshop 5+ than photoshop 3.

I recently read a posting, on Rob Galbraith's forums I think, saying that 
you could run Photoshop 7 under WINE in Linux.  Can anybody confirm this?
I've got a source of PS7, and it won't offend my ethics to get a free copy 
of a product that Adobe no longer sells.  Last I looked photoshop was one 
of those applications that gave WINE real trouble, and through PS5 just
didn't really work in the WINE environment.

DJE




Re: New K Mount DSLR

2004-04-02 Thread edwin
>Yeah, I don't think there is any profit to Pentax in producing a Baby D. 
>Not 
>really. No point in competing with C, they wouldn't capture much of 
>the 
>potential 300D market. And they've already dropped the *istD to be more 
>competitively priced for a mid to upper end DSLR. More optios, sure. And 
>maybe a 
>second generation *istD... someday. Or a MF equivalent. Be nicer if they 
>did one or 
>both of those anyway.

There's a lot more customers for a $1000 DSLR than a $1500 (or so) one, 
judging from the flood of people buying Canon 300Ds.
Personally, I might buy a $1000 Pentax DSLR to put my screw-mount
lenses on (if it were slightly more capable than the canon 300D) 
If that's the *istD in a year, great, but I doubt that they can drop the 
price THAT much while the camera is still viable in the market.  If they
don't get another viable DSLR to market, well, maybe I should get that 
300D after all. 

>Date: Fri,  2 Apr 2004 07:31:19 -0500
>From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: New K Mount DSLR 
>Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>On the top of the page is a drop-down
>where you can get their "April Fools?"
>explanation.  But it was just too
>close to what is practical to be a
>really good joke.  It might be doable.

It MIGHT be doable, but probably not with any of the current APS-sized 
chips.  DSLRing a film SLR seems to cost something like $750-1000.
Sure, you could put a smaller, cheaper chip (something from a P&S, for 
example) in there, with minimal buffer, no screen, etc and possibly get
a K-mount DSLR out for maybe $500.  

I'm not sure who'd want such a thing.  Image quality would be low (P&S
levels of noise, few megapixels), the crop factor would be even worse than 
the current 1.5x (since there ISN'T a 3MP-ish APS size sensor unless you 
could get the original Nikon D1/D1h chips really cheap somewhere), and the
screen on the back is one of the major appeals of digital for most users.
A $500 digital P&S would likely be a better camera.

I know people seem to think that it just HAS to be possible to put out a 
cheap DSLR.  Looking at the $1000 Nikon and Canon cameras, which are in 
many ways really cheap and cheesy, I don't think it is yet.  The fact that
P&S digitals and film SLRs have gotten really cheap doesn't seem to 
matter.  The BATTERY ALONE on some of the high-end DSLRs is more expensive 
than a cheap SLR or DP&S.

DJE




Re: PAW - Escaped Flamingos

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
I was going to make that joke in my first post, but decided to play straight 
man to you.  LOL

-frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW - Escaped Flamingos
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:38:48 -0800
I decided to put it on the left wall...


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RE: PAW at last

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
H...

I don't want to get into trouble again , but really, this doesn't do 
much for me.

For starters, I think the image is too small, but even beyond that, it just 
really seems to need sharpening.  Maybe this has to do with the fact that 
you didn't do much re-touching, but on my monitor, the whole thing seems 
pretty soft.

To me there are too many distractions in this photo.  The that rope, the 
bright bush on the right, the rocks at the bottom:  they don't add to the 
photo, but rather draw my attention away from the subjects.

I'm not sure what kind of mammals they are (ring tailed lemurs? - only 
guessing because of the tails) but they are too small in the frame, and I 
really had to look closely to pick them out, and then figure out what they 
were.  The one on the top is difficult to find at all.

The mammal at the bottom seems to be in a rather interesting position, but 
it's so small that it's tough to tell what it's doing.

It's too bad you didn't have a longer lens, so you could have "zoomed in" on 
that bottom one;  I think that would have been an interesting photo.  The 
moment was right, but you just couldn't get in there to capture it with 
sufficient detail, I'm afraid.

As is, this one doesn't work for me.

Boris, I'm glad you posted yesterday saying that you don't mind when I 
criticise your photos.You've produced some tremendous photos on 
this list - amazing portraits, and that one at the restaurant taken with the 
soft lens (I really liked that one!), but this one just isn't my cup of tea.

Sorry, but as always, I've got to be honest.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PAW at last 
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:18:13 +0200
Hello PDML ...

I am still in the process of making my PAW submissions to be good
looking  web pages. Meanwhile, I am posting it kind of raw...
So here goes:

http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/paw/tails.jpg

Kodak TMAX 400 developed in Ilford. Not by me though. Almost no
retouching... Takumar Bayonet 125/2.8 probably at f/11 or f/16. My
trusty ME Super...
What do you say?

Thanks.

Boris

P.S. I guess I'd have to mention it explicitly - I want to hear all
the comments, not necessarily just the good ones.
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Re: PAW - Escaped Flamingos

2004-04-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I decided to put it on the left wall...

I'm glad you like it ;-))  

frank theriault wrote:
 
> Seriously, I think that's a cool image.  Interesting comp, vivid colours.
> It would look good on the right wall.



Re: ONLY - Pug April is available on my website

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Thanks, Gianfranco,

I've been working on my street photography...  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Gianfranco Irlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yours is, in fact, a great shot (that's street photography for
sure!) and I like it a lot.
Ciao,

Gianfranco

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Re: I got my *istD

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Dear Ramesh Kumar's Boss,

Are you aware that he spends all his time at work checking out PDML?  He's 
probably doing that right now.

You might as well send him home for the day, he wants to play with his new 
toy, and probably isn't getting any work done anyway.

cheers,
a concerned friend from another country
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Ramesh Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I got my *istD
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:43:32 -0800 (PST)
--- Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what are you doing sending e-mails?  Go out and
> have fun ;-)
>
I am still at work to make some money so that I can
buy lens:-)
Ramesh

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ramesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:05 PM
> Subject: I got my *istD
>
>
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> >
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Re: PAW #8 (the sequel) Angel of Soap was: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-02 Thread Kenneth Waller
Frank, this is a much more interesting image to me (than soap carver). Not
exactly sure why, other than you have isolated and simplified to a less
complicated image. I know exactly what you want me to concentrate on, what
you're calling my attention to. Isolate & simplify is my credo for my
photography so that's probably why I have this view. Your exposure and soft
focus compliment the "crudeness" of the artists carving. Welll done.

It would be more powerful IMHO by omitting some of the black RH side.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: PAW #8 (the sequel) Angel of Soap was: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver


> Here's the companion piece to yesterday's PAW.  Comment on it if you want
> (always like to hear comments ), or comment on them as a pair.
>
> I'm at a loss to explain the light drop-off on the right, but maybe it
works
> anyway?
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2253677
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
> >From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
> >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:49:37 -0500
> >
> >Took this one about a year ago, but I'm just getting it printed up for
the
> >first time:
> >
> >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2251211
> >
> >This is kind of part one of two - another print from the same session is
> >ready tomorrow.
> >
> >I always like comments, suggestions and critiques.  Thanks!
> >
> >cheers,
> >frank
> >
> >"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> >pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
> >
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Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Herb Chong
2 months after that, there was a letter to the editor complaining from some
guy that he took a paintbrush to his camera and ruined it by getting paint
into all the mechanisms. he didn't read the very introduction that said if
you plan to do this yourself, you have to disassemble the camera first.

Herb
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From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?


> Based on what I can see it's a custom job.  Modern Photography had an
> article on just how to do this in an issue from about
> 20 years ago.  The K1000 would have been a perfect model to work with.




Re: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04

2004-04-02 Thread Kenneth Waller
Mark, thanks for taking the time to look and comment. As you have seen,
there's more going on in this image than "Ice Flower" making it less
abstract. That was one reason to post this to see how others reacted to this
more complicated image.
I used "macro" in the title to throw viewers off a little. To me that's part
of an abstract, trying to remove the  photographed item from its context. I
have no idea the actual size of the viewed scene but I can tell you that I
was on a boat at least several hundred feet from the ice and used a 300mm
with a 1.4 xs convertor.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04


> Nice composition and lighting - I especially like the crackled / marbled
> effect on the backlit piece of ice.  The circle also serve as centers of
> interest that pull the composition together. It's a good shot but my
> personal preference is for your "Ice Flower" shot, which moved just a
notch
> or two more in the direction of an abstract, which I think kicked it up a
> level in aesthetics.
>
> As for being a macro - this looks freakin' huge to me!  Was it some tiny
> little thing?
>
> - MCC
>
> At 07:20 PM 3/30/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Taken @ Portage, Alaska, hand held from a tour boat to reduce vibrations.
> >Any idea as to  the magnification?
> >
> >Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently?
> >
> >http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> >
> >Thanks in advance for taking the time.
> >
> >Kenneth Waller
>
> -
>
> Mark Cassino Photography
>
> Kalamazoo, MI
>
> http://www.markcassino.com
>
> -
>
>



Re: Predictions, anyone?

2004-04-02 Thread Kenneth Waller
Reminds me of the butcher that backed into his meat grinder

and got alittle behind in his work.

Kenneth Waller

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From: "John Mustarde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?


> Prediction:
>
> Pentax DSLR with built-in endoscope.
>
> Camera name:  *Ouch.
>
> Will kick competition in the you-know-what.
>
>
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Re: OT:PS colour -3 choices ?

2004-04-02 Thread Herb Chong
Capture is the default RAW editor if you have it installed. if you don't,
double clicking should just open the viewer. select a file and right click
on it. you can export to JPEG or TIFF or edit using any one of a number of
programs under Edit using other programs... once you open a RAW file in
another program, you can't save it back as a RAW file like you can in
Capture. you have to save in some other format. i don't know why you would
want to save in RAW anyway. the Capture editor has a bunch of things that
are Nikon model-specific that are useful, but nearly everything else is very
weak compared to even low end image editing programs. if you have Photoshop
CS, there are very few things that you care about in Capture other than
remote control. i paid for my Capture 3.5 and used it extensively until
Photoshop CS came out. now, i use Capture only when i need to tweak some of
the model-specific controls.

Herb
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: OT:PS colour -3 choices ?


> I thought Capture was the raw editor.
> I opened up the browser software(nikons)and when i clicked on a thumbnail
it went to start
> the
> Capture program,but its past due 30 days.
> Looks like i'm missing something here.I would like to use raw for my
personal stuff and
> the jpgs can still
> be my onsite choice.




RE: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Alan Chan
The seller hasn't made it clear whether it was a custom made. By saying 
"rare", people would think it mean "original" by Pentax, not custom made. 
I'd say the seller was trying to trick people here.

Regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Why is it fishy?  He says right in the description that as far as he
knows "Pentax never made these", so this means it has to be a custom.
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Re: I got my *istD

2004-04-02 Thread Ramesh Kumar

--- Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what are you doing sending e-mails?  Go out and
> have fun ;-)
> 
I am still at work to make some money so that I can
buy lens:-)

Ramesh 


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ramesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:05 PM
> Subject: I got my *istD
> 
> 
> > Today I got my *istD from KEH and need to try.
> > 
> > Ramesh
> > 
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Re: POW: Oh Deer, Not a Cow

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Lovely shot, Steve.

It could be sharper, but I notice that this is RAW, and hasn't been 
sharpened.

I like the creamy bokeh.  Great pose by the boid.  I don't think I'd so much 
with it (but those sorts of things aren't my forte), I like it as is.

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: POW: Oh Deer, Not a Cow
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:52:01 -0500
One more time, complete with URL:

http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/

Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 02:41PM >>>
My first try at this new aspect of our list.  I was walking along the
river and encountered this deer.  I had my *ist D and A50 1.7 (think
short tele).  I was going to crop and sharpen, etc., but I am curious
how others would treat this.  This is straight out of the camera, just
reduced in size.  It's as close as I could get before it bolted .
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Re: PAW - birds and long lenses

2004-04-02 Thread David Nelson
Are those guys having sex or something?  Is that the way dragonflies do it?
Yeah it's very strange. I forget the entire sequence but I'm sure you'll 
agree it's quite kinky (-:

Anyway, that's a great shot!  And, the bokeh is not bad at all.
Ta
Realise I might have sounded a bit defensive about the mirror lens - 
sorry bout that - I'm always grateful of your critique. Just singing the 
praises (of the lens) I guess.

I've forgotten who it was who kindly showed the results of a photoshop 
effort on the baza ring blur(http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/), but I 
reckon the result is very nice - only flaw is the halo around the bird 
(which could presumable be avoided with a more careful photoshopping. 
Thanks!

David



I know that mirror lenses, with all their inconveniences, are a very 
cost effective way to do long.  So, I wasn't criticizing your decision 
to use one.  You obviously use yours well.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: David Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW - birds and long lenses
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:45:26 +1000
Frank,
Yep you're right - I knew I'd get a comment on that (-: And you're 
also right, I personally don't mind the doughnuts. Or maybe I just 
accept them because of all the other benefits of this lens.
My response is - give me a fairly sharp 500mm that focuses down to 1:3 
(letting you get images such as this: 
http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/dragonfly.jpg from 2 metres away), is 
about 15cm (1/2 a foot) end to end, is light and goes anywhere without 
a sherpa, costs less than $200US used, and above all can be 
handheld... and I'll gladly use it q-:

Chris - I've never seen one before - in the area or otherwise! I've 
been told that they are moderately common in Sydney suburbia, and know 
that they saw a couple on a recent fauna survey in Lane Cove NP.

David "Not a bird guy" Nelson


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RE: PAW - Escaped Flamingos

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Well, photos don't lie, do they?  If you say that's what happened, I accept 
that, Shel.

Seriously, I think that's a cool image.  Interesting comp, vivid colours.  
It would look good on the right wall.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PAW - Escaped Flamingos
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:54:26 -0800
Went for a stroll through the neighborhood yesterday, and I
frightened these two flamingos, for they jumped off their
pole
perches and started to soar through the air.  I was
fortunate to have been carrying my digicam, otherwise I'm
sure no one would have believed such a thing.
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/escaped.html


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Re: PAW - birds and long lenses

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Peter,

I thought so;

and,

Yes.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW - birds and long lenses
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:19:36 -0500
I think the answer is yes, and do you always think about sex Frank?

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Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
I'd like to apologize for Cotty's apology...

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I feel I must apologise also.

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Re: Q: Studio lights on a zero budget

2004-04-02 Thread alex wetmore
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> Today I ran into a second hand Philips "UV-A" fluorescent light
> unit.  I seems to be one of those tanning machines.
>
> What made me interested in it, was 1) the wheeled type of metal
> construction (a simple one) which allows you to conveniently move it
> about, 2) Six 40w (totalling 240W) fluorescent tubes fitted into a
> box, mirrored to direct the light out of it; 3) the fact that there
> seems to be levers to adjust the light power; 4) the fact that this
> box fairly easily could be lowered or raised or turned into various
> angles to direct the light in desired directions; 5) the assumption
> that maybe some sort of simple reflector screen probably could be
> fitted to it instead of the lights; 6) the price of some $15 US;
>
> Now the fluorescent tubes fitted to it are ones aimed at tanning.
> (They are UV-lights, right?) There was a warning sign about using it
> (carefully read the manual before using etc) - I guess there is a
> risk about getting burned or maybe your eyes might get hurt etc.

If the ballast is not compatible with other types of bulbs then it
is really easy to change the ballast.  It sounds like those are
standard 48" 40W ballasts though, and a normal shop bulb will
probably work.

> Right or wrong I thought these tubes may be interchangeable with other types of 
> tubes which might be more useful for photographing purposes.
> I was thinking that this whole thing may come handy for home studio use, for 
> producing light maybe in portrait shooting or table top shooting, or to be used for 
> reflectors.
> I am well familiar with how film reads fluorescent light.

It probably reads high quality bulbs better.  Flourescent bulbs have
something called the CRI (color rendering index), where closer to
100 is closer to how our eyes see sunlight.  I don't know how well
they do with colors for film.  Typical flourescent bulbs have a
very low CRI, but there are high quality bulbs available with 92
CRI or better.

Regular flourescent bulbs have spikes at wavelengths of red, green,
and blue to make something which looks sort of white.  The high CRI
bulbs put out a much more even mix of wavelengths.

You'll find the most information on the net about flourescent bulbs by
reading about aquariums.  That is how I learned about them.

alex



Re: Q: Studio lights on a zero budget

2004-04-02 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
My question is:
1) Generally, how does the idea sound to you, who may know a bit more about these 
types of lights than me?
Sounds OK to me.

2) Do you think those tubes can be replaced with other types of fluorescent tubes of same power? Any reason not to?
Yes.  If you check the starters and chokes, you may find that you can 
put higher power tubes in.  There are various "light types" of tubes, too.

3) Would it's power adjustment capabilities work just as well with other types of tubes?
Not sure from your description.  Fluorescents generally do not work well 
at reduced outputs.  Maybe better to build something that selectively 
removes tubes from the circuit, if that is not what is already there.

4) Am I possibly missing something else?
Whatever you do, DO NOT use it with the UV tubes in without proper UV 
eye protection.  Even a short exposure (and reflected off something at 
that) can cause eye problems, even with old tubes that do not tan well 
any more.  These problems may not show up immediately.  The problems may 
be permanent.  Better to be safe.

This looks like an excellent idea to pick up high intensity lighting for 
a very reasonable price.

mike



Q: Studio lights on a zero budget

2004-04-02 Thread Lasse Karlsson
Today I ran into a second hand Philips "UV-A" fluorescent light unit.
I seems to be one of those tanning machines.

What made me interested in it, was
1) the wheeled type of metal construction (a simple one) which allows you to 
conveniently move it about,
2) Six 40w (totalling 240W) fluorescent tubes fitted into a box, mirrored to direct 
the light out of it;
3) the fact that there seems to be levers to adjust the light power; 
4) the fact that this box fairly easily could be lowered or raised or turned into 
various angles to direct the light in desired directions;
5) the assumption that maybe some sort of simple reflector screen probably could be 
fitted to it instead of the lights;
6) the price of some $15 US;

Now the fluorescent tubes fitted to it are ones aimed at tanning. (They are UV-lights, 
right?) There was a warning sign about using it (carefully read the manual before 
using etc) - I guess there is a risk about getting burned or maybe your eyes might get 
hurt etc.
Right or wrong I thought these tubes may be interchangeable with other types of tubes 
which might be more useful for photographing purposes.
I was thinking that this whole thing may come handy for home studio use, for producing 
light maybe in portrait shooting or table top shooting, or to be used for reflectors.
I am well familiar with how film reads fluorescent light.
However, sooner or later I will buy me a digital SLR, probably the D*ist as the price 
comes down. Having learned a bit about setting white balance I was thinking that 
fluorescent light may be a lesser issue with digitals.

My question is:
1) Generally, how does the idea sound to you, who may know a bit more about these 
types of lights than me?
2) Do you think those tubes can be replaced with other types of fluorescent tubes of 
same power? Any reason not to?
3) Would it's power adjustment capabilities work just as well with other types of 
tubes?
4) Am I possibly missing something else?

Thanks,
Lasse 




Re: PAW at last

2004-04-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/4/04, BORIS discumbobulated:


>So here goes:
>
>http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/paw/tails.jpg
>

>
>What do you say?

Is Thing 2 saying to Thing 1: ' Look here my dear chap, I'm sorry about
the head, but you left me no alternative after you ran me through with a
fish' ???


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Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too

2004-04-02 Thread Cotty
I feel I must apologise also.

>And apologies from me for not expressing myself as well as I might have 
>done with my first post.
>
>John
>
>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:47:58 -0500, frank theriault 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Now that the maelstrom has died down, a few thoughts.
>>
>> I think maybe I could have said the same thing to Francis in a more 
>> gentle way.  I think I might have been a bit more constructive.  I 
>> really liked Ken's suggestion of saying one way I might thing the photo 
>> could be improved.  I kind of tried doing that, but looking back, I 
>> don't think I was as explicit as I could have been.
>>
>> Second, I've had off-list convos with both John and Francis, and 
>> everything's cool there.  Apologies (from me) where they should be, and 
>> explanations where they should be, and I think everyone's happy, or at 
>> least understanding of different positions.
>>
>> And, finally, my one liner "because I feel like it" to John wasn't 
>> really very nice, and I apologize to John and the list for that.




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Re: Different films, different results

2004-04-02 Thread William Robb


> - Original Message - 
> From: "Peter J. Alling"
> Subject: Re: Different films, different results
>
>
> > Now here's a question how do the button adjustments relate to
> Photoshop
> > adjustments?  I've had this
> > discussion with a local photo finisher but he had no clue.

On the Noritsu, the colour channels are set at 6.8% for a 1 button
increment, the density channels are set at 14.1%.

William Robb




Re: A weekend to just get away...

2004-04-02 Thread brooksdj
> 
> Plans for the weekend?  Anyone?
> 

Keeping rain drops off the 90 LS :-)

Dave
> César
> Panama City, Florida
> 







Some paw thoughts

2004-04-02 Thread brooksdj
Just had a brain storm(damn that hurts.lol)for a series of paw's. I 
have worked
 in 9 of 
the 10 Canadian Provinces, and have been to the UK,Denmark and Sweden for vacations and
the 
Middle East for over seas work.
Just thought i'd post a PAW from the provinces,vacation shots etc.

What say ye.Good idea?


Dave







Re: OT: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
If you're describing what I think you are, yes.  But, the
neat thing is that you can create your own preferences for
every tool, and never have to enter info in the menu or
fiddle with brushes, etc., again.  Did you know there's even
a "preset manager?"

shel

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> 
> I just noticed that now! I am assuming you mean the little drop down menu on
> the left and when I click on the arrows it says "4x6, 5x7" etc.?
> Coool...
> 
> tan.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2004 1:36 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Photoshop question
> 
> But do you know that you can set presets for various tools,
> and never have to set them again for those parameters?
> 
> Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> 
> > Do you know what Shel, after almost 4 years using PS, I only just worked
> out
> > that you COULD set a crop aspect ration about a month ago!  I used to do
> > exactly what Sven was worrying about doing!
> >
> > An assistant at my lab put me straight though, and boy does it make life
> > easier! lol...
> >
> > tan.



A weekend to just get away...

2004-04-02 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
Things have slowed a bit here at work - woohoo - thought I would just chime
in.  Have I been missed?  Ummm, don't answer that :-P

I have not commented on any shots, just too backlogged.  Not that anyone
would notice my comments though - I am in the shadow of the bunny ears :-)

Plans for the weekend?  Anyone?

I am headed to the 12th annual World of Nations Festival in Jacksonville,
Florida
(http://www.coj.net/Departments/Neighborhoods/Special+Events/World+of+Nation
s/Default.htm) in the wee hours tomorrow morning.  Getting the VIP treatment
too.  Rental car is paid for.  Meeting with our pyrotechnics person for
lunch.  We will get to tour the fireworks barge!  He will give us access to
the festival along with the VIP tent that overlooks the festival.  The day
should culminate with a grand fireworks display.  He is putting us up in a
hotel for the evening.  Heading back here Sunday morning though...  Should
be a nice getaway.

I do not want to carry along too much stuff since I will be at the site
until 10 p.m.  The plan is to carry the *ist D and an LX (I will probably
take my original one - white cobra) as camera bodies.  Lenses will be FA*
24/2, FA Limited 31/1.8, K 50/1.2, and FA Limited 77/1.8. Film will be slide
probably 50 ISO.  The 645n will stay at home.  Since I do not have anything
wider than a 28 in my screwmount I will not be taking along any M42 gear...
Though the 85/1.9 would be tempting.

This is how I have been travelling around lately. With the intense sun
during most of my shooting I have relied on an external light meter for both
cameras.  As a matter of fact I have not had the batteries in my LX for
quite some time.  It made a difference with the shots using the *ist D
during the air show last weekend.  My latest PUG entry was also metered
externally.  It is interesting to see the looks from people as you use the
meter.

Rambling over, back to work,

César
Panama City, Florida



Anyone with Bessaflex experience?

2004-04-02 Thread Mark Erickson
Has anyone here actually seen or handled a Bessaflex?  You know, the 
Voigtlander (Cosina) SLR that takes M42 screwmount lenses? 

http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtFlexTM.htm 

Thanks, 

Mark



Re: I got my *istD

2004-04-02 Thread cbwaters
Congratulations!
But you're too late.  It's not enough to have the camera.

You're no longer cool unless you've got the *ist D AND the new ultra wide
lenses AND a hacked MUVO drive AND you're going to GFM...
;)
Good light to ya,
Cory

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: I got my *istD


> Today I got my *istD from KEH and need to try.
>
> Ramesh
>
>
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FS: Reduced

2004-04-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
1. Super Program with A50/2.  Modest ding on top of prism housing.
   Functions fine.
   $70 shipped in US. $75 to Europe & CA. Others email.
2. Mask/shade set.  Includes several masks and a flexible arm.
   The arm has a foot for shoe mounting and hold the masks/shade
   by your lens as you bend it into position.  Sometimes more practical
   than a hood, esp. with w/a lenses < 28mm.
   $12 shipped in US. $15 to Europe & CA. Others email.
3. Busch Pressman 'D' 4x5 body.  Includes 2 lens boards. (1 homemade)
   Has a working rangefinder.  In "user" condition.
   I paid $125 for it 2 months ago, but want that wood field now.
   
   2 film holders included!
   
   $120 shipped in US. $120 to Europe & CA. Others email.
   

PayPal preferred.

Collin

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RE: April PUG

2004-04-02 Thread Amita Guha
> I would like to be the first to say that IMO, of all the good 
> ones, Amita Guha's 'Over the river...' is a truly great 
> photograph. 

Why, thank you, Sven. Glad you like it! :)

Amita



I'm back

2004-04-02 Thread Amita Guha
Hi guys,

I've been off the list for a while now, partly because I've been busy
building a new website, and partly because I needed to reboot my
computer! I stopped receiving messages from the list on Monday and it
never occurred to me that Outlook wanted to be rebooted. Go figure! :)

So now I see that the April PUG is up and I'm having a lot of fun
looking at the entries. This month I might even comment on a few!

Oh, and I will be in DC the weekend of April 9th if anyone wants to get
together. I already emailed TV on this but I thought I'd mention it
onlist as well.

It's good to be back!f

Amita



Re: I got my *istD

2004-04-02 Thread Christian
So what are you doing sending e-mails?  Go out and have fun ;-)

Christian

- Original Message - 
From: "Ramesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: I got my *istD


> Today I got my *istD from KEH and need to try.
> 
> Ramesh
> 
> 
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PAW at last

2004-04-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Hello PDML ...

I am still in the process of making my PAW submissions to be good
looking  web pages. Meanwhile, I am posting it kind of raw...

So here goes:

http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/paw/tails.jpg

Kodak TMAX 400 developed in Ilford. Not by me though. Almost no
retouching... Takumar Bayonet 125/2.8 probably at f/11 or f/16. My
trusty ME Super...

What do you say?

Thanks.

Boris

P.S. I guess I'd have to mention it explicitly - I want to hear all
the comments, not necessarily just the good ones.



I got my *istD

2004-04-02 Thread Ramesh Kumar
Today I got my *istD from KEH and need to try.

Ramesh


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Re: New K Mount DSLR

2004-04-02 Thread Christian
how is it bizarre?  They are completely different...  

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: New K Mount DSLR


> Now this is just bizare
> 
> http://hem.passagen.se/ebcpecz/Images/auto110_camera.jpg
> 
> http://www.telescopesa.za.org/Rugift/zenitkm.jpg
> 
> Christian wrote:
> 
> >It's not a 110.  It's a Zenit-KM according to the site.
> >http://www.telescopesa.za.org/CatalogRugiftCamerasZenit.htm
> >



RE: MUVO Experiences? (WAS: RE: OT: Photoshop question)

2004-04-02 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
It worked, It worked!!

I now have a 512mb mp3 player AND a 4gb microdrive in my *istD!

Yay!!

Thanks heaps Rob...

And now at 4.14am, and with a wedding in about 6 hours, I'd better get some
beauty sleep!

night all and thanks again for all of your help Rob!

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2004 3:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: MUVO Experiences? (WAS: RE: OT: Photoshop question)


>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:52:59 +1000
>From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>BTW, I should have said - you will need a STRONG eeny weeny star screw
>driver (phillips head). I had to buy 3 separate jewellers/precision >screw
>driver kits before I found one that would both fit AND was strong >enough
to
>unscrew the little buggers!
>
>tan.

Over time I've destroyed several of those cheap sets with
chrome handles that come in the little plastic boxes for $2.
Worthless things.

The Stanley set is about $7 or so @ Walmart or Sears and
is very solid.  I've taken out some tough screws with 'em.

Collin

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Re: PAW - birds and long lenses

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
I think the answer is yes, and do you always think about sex Frank?

frank theriault wrote:

So, Dave,

Are those guys having sex or something?  Is that the way dragonflies 
do it?

Anyway, that's a great shot!  And, the bokeh is not bad at all.

I know that mirror lenses, with all their inconveniences, are a very 
cost effective way to do long.  So, I wasn't criticizing your decision 
to use one.  You obviously use yours well.

cheers,
frank
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pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: David Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW - birds and long lenses
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:45:26 +1000
Frank,
Yep you're right - I knew I'd get a comment on that (-: And you're 
also right, I personally don't mind the doughnuts. Or maybe I just 
accept them because of all the other benefits of this lens.
My response is - give me a fairly sharp 500mm that focuses down to 
1:3 (letting you get images such as this: 
http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/dragonfly.jpg from 2 metres away), is 
about 15cm (1/2 a foot) end to end, is light and goes anywhere 
without a sherpa, costs less than $200US used, and above all can be 
handheld... and I'll gladly use it q-:

Chris - I've never seen one before - in the area or otherwise! I've 
been told that they are moderately common in Sydney suburbia, and 
know that they saw a couple on a recent fauna survey in Lane Cove NP.

David "Not a bird guy" Nelson


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Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource

2004-04-02 Thread John Francis
> 
> 
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> 
> 
> > not to display some of the pixels if they were available, and there's
> > no reasonable way to get some of the pixels from an image without
> > getting all of them (except, as noted, if it were a progressive JPEG).
> > 
> 
> how is that?
> you can give an order to address and read every 4th pixel from file..

No you can't.  You have to read all the pixels into memory.  If you
then choose to ignore 3/4 of them that's your choice, but you've
still transferred all of them over the slow datapath (external media
to local memory), which is where most of the time is spent.
(You can, of course, start reading at the top row of your zoomed-in
view of the image, and stop reading once you've got to the bottom row.
But you're going to have to read all the pixels on each of those rows,
including the ones off-sceen to the left or right of your chosen view)

> what do you think modern databases work like where ypou can get desired 
> bits from huge file in seconds if the file is indexed??

Database indices do a lot more than just calculate record offsets. But
they have a memory-resident table that tells them which of the blocks
to read in from the (slow) external media in order to get the record
they want.  The index just stops them having to read every one of the
many millions of records in sequence (and perform certain simple checks);
once they get a record they will read all of it.
 
> though to be faster or more reasonable compared to readin everything the 
> gap should not be every 4th pixel, but much wider..

Yes.  Much, *much* wider.  Larger than the block size of the storage
media, which is never going to be the case for these image files.
 
> i guess
> 
> viljar



Re: New K Mount DSLR

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
Now this is just bizare

http://hem.passagen.se/ebcpecz/Images/auto110_camera.jpg

http://www.telescopesa.za.org/Rugift/zenitkm.jpg

Christian wrote:

It's not a 110.  It's a Zenit-KM according to the site.
http://www.telescopesa.za.org/CatalogRugiftCamerasZenit.htm
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From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: New K Mount DSLR

 

I thought for sure that everyone who saw the picture would know that it
was a photoshopped
Pentax 110 SLR.  I guess not all of us have seen or held the real thing...
   



 





Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-02 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Are you sure this man was the artist? I doubt it -- looking at his hands.
But this has nothing to do with the picture. The sculpture, if carved soap
can be described as such, is not so great either. But again that's not the
point. Or is it? I apologise for these words, but they say what I see.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver


> Yes, it is disturbing.  Homelessnes is one of those issues that is so
> complex that I don't know how to deal with it personally.
>
> This poor fellow obviously was dealing with many issues.  Couldn't really
> tell if there are/were substance abuse issues, but certainly he was
> suffering from a major mental illness.  My guess is that the artistic
> release of carving is something that he requires.  He really liked telling
> me about his sculptures, explaining that they were like sculptures "from
the
> renaissance" over and over.
>
> Anyway, thanks for taking the time to comment.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
> >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:01:23 -0500
> >
> >Frank,
> >
> >Interesting photograph, but IMO, somewhat disturbing.  This appears to be
a
> >homeless person with a lot of artistic talent.  It's a shame to see
someone
> >with such talent living under such circumstances.
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:49 PM
> >Subject: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
> >
> >
> > > Took this one about a year ago, but I'm just getting it printed up for
> >the
> > > first time:
> > >
> > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2251211
> > >
> > > This is kind of part one of two - another print from the same session
is
> > > ready tomorrow.
> > >
> > > I always like comments, suggestions and critiques.  Thanks!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > frank
> > >
> > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
> >pessimist
> > > fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Re: PAW #8 (the sequel) Angel of Soap was: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
I can't decide which is a stronger statement.  The first image tells 
more of the story, but the second give plenty of inference.  The 
background fade from
gray to black, (well sort of anyway), adds interest in the second image 
in my opinion. 

frank theriault wrote:

Here's the companion piece to yesterday's PAW.  Comment on it if you 
want (always like to hear comments ), or comment on them as a pair.

I'm at a loss to explain the light drop-off on the right, but maybe it 
works anyway?

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2253677

cheers,
frank
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pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:49:37 -0500
Took this one about a year ago, but I'm just getting it printed up 
for the first time:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2251211

This is kind of part one of two - another print from the same session 
is ready tomorrow.

I always like comments, suggestions and critiques.  Thanks!

cheers,
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PAW Another Cut Re: PAW -- Church on Branford Green

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
I'd like to thank everyone who commented.  There weren't many but the 
way I operate with the PDML is to delete most every message
immediately after reading to keep from hopelessly clogging my mailbox, 
so unfortunately I can't thank everyone individually.  I wasn't as
happy with this image as I liked so I've tried a something a bit 
different which is available here.

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen2.html

frank theriault wrote:

Peter,

I like it.  It seems to have a very timeless feel to it;  there are no 
visual cues that this wasn't taken 100 years ago, or 150 years ago, 
except of course that they didn't have TriX then .

I like the framing - chopping off the top of the spire is in"spired" 
(couldn't resist).  I probably would have left it in, to the detriment 
of the strengh of the photo.  Your composition tends to emphasize the 
horseman and coach.

It looks like ad copy for a horse and buggy service - couldn't you see 
this in a Wedding Magazine or something?

All very simple but effective.  Well done!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: PAW -- Church on Branford Green
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:52:36 -0500
I took this on a dull gray day a couple of years ago.  I need to do 
something about the sky, (I think).

Well anyway it's shot in B&W (Tri-X)

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen.html

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Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
Based on what I can see it's a custom job.  Modern Photography had an 
article on just how to do this in an issue from about
20 years ago.  The K1000 would have been a perfect model to work with.

Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807434472&category=15240 

Nice looking, though.

CRB






Re: New K Mount DSLR

2004-04-02 Thread Christian
It's not a 110.  It's a Zenit-KM according to the site.
http://www.telescopesa.za.org/CatalogRugiftCamerasZenit.htm

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: New K Mount DSLR


> I thought for sure that everyone who saw the picture would know that it
> was a photoshopped
> Pentax 110 SLR.  I guess not all of us have seen or held the real thing...



Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too

2004-04-02 Thread John Forbes
And apologies from me for not expressing myself as well as I might have 
done with my first post.

John

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:47:58 -0500, frank theriault 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Now that the maelstrom has died down, a few thoughts.

I think maybe I could have said the same thing to Francis in a more 
gentle way.  I think I might have been a bit more constructive.  I 
really liked Ken's suggestion of saying one way I might thing the photo 
could be improved.  I kind of tried doing that, but looking back, I 
don't think I was as explicit as I could have been.

Second, I've had off-list convos with both John and Francis, and 
everything's cool there.  Apologies (from me) where they should be, and 
explanations where they should be, and I think everyone's happy, or at 
least understanding of different positions.

And, finally, my one liner "because I feel like it" to John wasn't 
really very nice, and I apologize to John and the list for that.

This should end the thread.

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:49:21 +0400
Hi!

It took me some time until I got to the Frank's message and some 
others. You know, I am at work with cup of good green tea after lunch. 
Most of my e-mail is by now at my home PC... Anyway.

Here is my opinion.

I think Frank does a tremendous job and puts to this a lot, like a real 
lot, of effort into it. It would be a great shame if he would be put 
down or discouraged because of some of his comments. You know, at times 
I don't agree with him and with other people who comments on PAWs. But 
that's natural, isn't it? I humbly and personally think that Frank is 
one of the most pleasant people to be in disagreement with. If you know 
what I mean .

Anyway, personally, I try to comment on as many PAWs as I possibly can. 
Still I try to adhere to a rule that if I don't quite like some image 
and I cannot really point out what is wrong or suggest how to improve 
it, then  I normally don't say a word. However, the level of PDML PAW 
is considerably higher than your average photo sharing web site. So I 
am trying very hard to still comment as much as I can. Though I am not 
saying that I never broke that rule ...

It would be a huge shame if such talks would pop up like this one did.

Let us have fun, not flame wars...

Just my cents...

Boris

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Re: New K Mount DSLR

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
I thought for sure that everyone who saw the picture would know that it 
was a photoshopped
Pentax 110 SLR.  I guess not all of us have seen or held the real thing... 

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

On the top of the page is a drop-down
where you can get their "April Fools?"
explanation.  But it was just too
close to what is practical to be a
really good joke.  It might be doable.
CRB

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RE: MUVO Experiences? (WAS: RE: OT: Photoshop question)

2004-04-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:52:59 +1000 
>From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>BTW, I should have said - you will need a STRONG eeny weeny star screw 
>driver (phillips head). I had to buy 3 separate jewellers/precision >screw 
>driver kits before I found one that would both fit AND was strong >enough to 
>unscrew the little buggers! 
>
>tan. 

Over time I've destroyed several of those cheap sets with
chrome handles that come in the little plastic boxes for $2.
Worthless things.

The Stanley set is about $7 or so @ Walmart or Sears and
is very solid.  I've taken out some tough screws with 'em.

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Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
In Photoshop you are up to 5 interlaced images.  Well version 5.5 at least.

Rob Brigham wrote:

Yeah, but jpg doesn't record pixels like that.  What you suggest could
work with a bitmap, but a jpg is different.  Don't ask me the techie
details, but I think of it as recording a start position, colour value,
then the number of adjacent pixels of that colour.  So building up a
picture means it is necessary to decode the whole file.  Progressive
jpgs obviously work a bit differently - perhaps recrding 2 images with
alternate rows in each image, then interlacing them?
Anyways, what you say is not easy or perhaps even possible for a
standard jpg...
 

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Sent: 02 April 2004 11:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource



John Francis wrote:

   

not to display some of the pixels if they were available, 
 

and there's 
   

no reasonable way to get some of the pixels from an image without 
getting all of them (except, as noted, if it were a 
 

progressive JPEG).
   

how is that?
you can give an order to address and read every 4th pixel from file..
what do you think modern databases work like where ypou can 
get desired 
bits from huge file in seconds if the file is indexed??

though to be faster or more reasonable compared to readin 
everything the 
gap should not be every 4th pixel, but much wider..

i guess

viljar





   



 





Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Yes, it is disturbing.  Homelessnes is one of those issues that is so 
complex that I don't know how to deal with it personally.

This poor fellow obviously was dealing with many issues.  Couldn't really 
tell if there are/were substance abuse issues, but certainly he was 
suffering from a major mental illness.  My guess is that the artistic 
release of carving is something that he requires.  He really liked telling 
me about his sculptures, explaining that they were like sculptures "from the 
renaissance" over and over.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to comment.

cheers,
frank


"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:01:23 -0500
Frank,

Interesting photograph, but IMO, somewhat disturbing.  This appears to be a
homeless person with a lot of artistic talent.  It's a shame to see someone
with such talent living under such circumstances.
Bill

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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:49 PM
Subject: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
> Took this one about a year ago, but I'm just getting it printed up for 
the
> first time:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2251211
>
> This is kind of part one of two - another print from the same session is
> ready tomorrow.
>
> I always like comments, suggestions and critiques.  Thanks!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
So Peter,

Send it along!  Post the url to your improvements.  I'd be happy to see 'em.

The darkness of his face is something I wasn't sure about when I saw it on 
the contact, but printed up to 8x10, it's not so bad.  You can see more 
detail that the scan.  I'd be interested to see if your PS version is closer 
to the print.

Thanks for your comments.  It was funny, but he asked me if I wanted to take 
a photo.  Then he averted his eyes that way, and wouldn't look directly at 
me.  He looked at me while I was talking, but not with the camera in front 
of my face (I tried talking with the camera up there, but it didn't work).  
I don't like to tell my subjects what to do (they participated in the 
process by "posing" the way they want to - just a silly personal thing), so 
I shot him the way he obviously wanted to be shot.

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW #8 - The Soap Carver
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:10:46 -0500
It's an interesting image, makes one think.  I found it a bit dark though.  
I opened it in photoshop and
lightened it a bit and added a touch more contrast.  Brought out more 
detail in the subjects face, (I could see his
eyes, while leaving detail in the carving).

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Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?

2004-04-02 Thread Peter J. Alling
Color management is supposed to help manage different devices,  if the 
color spaces of your scanner, monitor and printer
have the "same" calibrated color space what you see on your monitor will 
closely approximate what comes out of the printer.

Butch Black wrote:

If I choose to ignore colour space,what is happening then.?

Dave

I believe that it's a guessing game as to how PS is seeing the color. I
quickly opened a couple of image but could not see any real difference
opening them in Adobe 1998 or do not color manage. I didn't try printing any
to see if there was a difference there.
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AW: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread keller.schaefer
Now that works VERY nice - thank you!

Sven

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. April 2004 17:15
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: RE: Photoshop question


Sven, when you click on the cropping tool, the menu bar above will change.
All you have to do is type in your required dimensions and your resolution
there. ie it says "width" and "height" and resolution.  For eg, for a 5x7,
just type in "5 in" in the width, "7 in" in the height, and say "300" in the
resolution and use the drop down menu to choose your preferred measurement
ie pixels per inch, or per cm.  When you go to crop the image, it will show
a box as you drag the mouse but you won't be able to deviate from the
dimensions that you entered above.

The second option is to use the image/image size tool and when you type in
your new dimensions select "constrain proportions" but that is only for
resizing and not actually for cropping.

Hope this answers your questions!

tan.

-Original Message-
From: keller.schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2004 12:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Photoshop question


I have a question regarding Photoshop - I hope it is not too silly...

If I want to crop an image but wish to retain a (or arrive at a) certain
aspect
ratio - how can I do this? If I select a frame to crop to, I will most
certainly change the aspect ratio a little bit (even if I try not to) which
will then lead to prints of slightly different size.

Don't shout, if the answer is all to obvious, just laugh at me...

Thanks,

Sven






RE: PAW #6 Feather

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Dag,

You blow me away as usual.

Is that tremendous detail, or what?

I'm glad you told us it's a feather, because I might not have known 
otherwise.  A wonderful abstract work.  Art found in the mundane;  art made 
so by the eye and composition of the photgrapher.

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PAW #6 Feather
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:08:14 +0200
I've been trying to limit the PAW to pictures taken the last few days. I 
almost didn't make it this week, but then I found this yesterday:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2254584&size=lg

DagT

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RE: PAW -- Church on Branford Green

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
Peter,

I like it.  It seems to have a very timeless feel to it;  there are no 
visual cues that this wasn't taken 100 years ago, or 150 years ago, except 
of course that they didn't have TriX then .

I like the framing - chopping off the top of the spire is in"spired" 
(couldn't resist).  I probably would have left it in, to the detriment of 
the strengh of the photo.  Your composition tends to emphasize the horseman 
and coach.

It looks like ad copy for a horse and buggy service - couldn't you see this 
in a Wedding Magazine or something?

All very simple but effective.  Well done!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAW -- Church on Branford Green
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:52:36 -0500
I took this on a dull gray day a couple of years ago.  I need to do 
something about the sky, (I think).

Well anyway it's shot in B&W (Tri-X)

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_BranfordGreen.html

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Re: PAW - birds and long lenses

2004-04-02 Thread frank theriault
So, Dave,

Are those guys having sex or something?  Is that the way dragonflies do it?

Anyway, that's a great shot!  And, the bokeh is not bad at all.

I know that mirror lenses, with all their inconveniences, are a very cost 
effective way to do long.  So, I wasn't criticizing your decision to use 
one.  You obviously use yours well.

cheers,
frank
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fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: David Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW - birds and long lenses
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:45:26 +1000
Frank,
Yep you're right - I knew I'd get a comment on that (-: And you're also 
right, I personally don't mind the doughnuts. Or maybe I just accept them 
because of all the other benefits of this lens.
My response is - give me a fairly sharp 500mm that focuses down to 1:3 
(letting you get images such as this: 
http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/dragonfly.jpg from 2 metres away), is about 
15cm (1/2 a foot) end to end, is light and goes anywhere without a sherpa, 
costs less than $200US used, and above all can be handheld... and I'll 
gladly use it q-:

Chris - I've never seen one before - in the area or otherwise! I've been 
told that they are moderately common in Sydney suburbia, and know that they 
saw a couple on a recent fauna survey in Lane Cove NP.

David "Not a bird guy" Nelson
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RE: OT: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography

Shel said:
"PS can be a bit daunting at first, especially with simple things that are
not obvious."

Do you know what Shel, after almost 4 years using PS, I only just worked out
that you COULD set a crop aspect ration about a month ago!  I used to do
exactly what Sven was worrying about doing!

An assistant at my lab put me straight though, and boy does it make life
easier! lol...

tan.



RE: Memories are made of this

2004-04-02 Thread Rob Brigham
Depends what you have at the moment really.

http://www.crucial.com/ has a helpful configurator - this might give you
your answers and their memory is very good.

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 02 April 2004 16:19
> To: PDML
> Subject: OT: Memories are made of this
> 
> 
> I want to add more memory to one of my machines.  How can I 
> determine what type of memory is needed?  There seeems to be 
> many types.  Also, what about "speed?"  Need the speed be the 
> same as what's currently installed?
> 
> shel
> 
> 



RE: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Steve Desjardins
Why is it fishy?  He says right in the description that as far as he
knows "Pentax never made these", so this means it has to be a custom.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/04 01:29AM >>>
This camera looks fishy for 2 reasons:
1) The silver winding lever should be black.
2) The hot shoe clamp should be silver while the thin metal cover
should be 
black.

Regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan 

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>
>Nice looking, though.

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OT: Memories are made of this

2004-04-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I want to add more memory to one of my machines.  How can I
determine what type of memory is needed?  There seeems to be
many types.  Also, what about "speed?"  Need the speed be
the same as what's currently installed?

shel



RE: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Sven, when you click on the cropping tool, the menu bar above will change.
All you have to do is type in your required dimensions and your resolution
there. ie it says "width" and "height" and resolution.  For eg, for a 5x7,
just type in "5 in" in the width, "7 in" in the height, and say "300" in the
resolution and use the drop down menu to choose your preferred measurement
ie pixels per inch, or per cm.  When you go to crop the image, it will show
a box as you drag the mouse but you won't be able to deviate from the
dimensions that you entered above.

The second option is to use the image/image size tool and when you type in
your new dimensions select "constrain proportions" but that is only for
resizing and not actually for cropping.

Hope this answers your questions!

tan.

-Original Message-
From: keller.schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2004 12:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Photoshop question


I have a question regarding Photoshop - I hope it is not too silly...

If I want to crop an image but wish to retain a (or arrive at a) certain
aspect
ratio - how can I do this? If I select a frame to crop to, I will most
certainly change the aspect ratio a little bit (even if I try not to) which
will then lead to prints of slightly different size.

Don't shout, if the answer is all to obvious, just laugh at me...

Thanks,

Sven






Re: OT: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi, Sven ...

Just set the aspect ratio in the menu bar, both for the crop
tool and the marquee tool.
If you plan to crop a lot using that aspect ratio, you can
create a preset shape/ratio/size for the tool.  

If you need specifics on how to do this, i.e., if you can't
figure it out yourself or find the info in the PS help
section, drop me a line off list.  PS can be a bit daunting
at first, especially with simple things that are not
obvious.

shel belinkoff

"keller.schaefer" wrote:
> 
> I have a question regarding Photoshop - I hope it is not too silly...
> 
> If I want to crop an image but wish to retain a (or arrive at a) certain aspect
> ratio - how can I do this? If I select a frame to crop to, I will most
> certainly change the aspect ratio a little bit (even if I try not to) which
> will then lead to prints of slightly different size.



Re: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread cbwaters
learn something new every day...

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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Photoshop question


> Set the crop tool to a fixed aspect ratio.
> 
> William Robb
> - Original Message - 
> From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:54 AM
> Subject: OT: Photoshop question
> 
> 
> > I have a question regarding Photoshop - I hope it is not too
> silly...
> >
> > If I want to crop an image but wish to retain a (or arrive at a)
> certain aspect
> > ratio - how can I do this? If I select a frame to crop to, I will
> most
> > certainly change the aspect ratio a little bit (even if I try not
> to) which
> > will then lead to prints of slightly different size.
> >
> > Don't shout, if the answer is all to obvious, just laugh at me...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sven
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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RE: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S

2004-04-02 Thread Nick Clark
I've found I rarely use mine as it adds so much bulk it makes the MZ-S too much like a 
Canon GigantiCam. I only really got it to go with the IR remote control as Pentax 
forgot to include that functionality on the body. Also I didn't want to buy yet 
another cable release. But I have bought that cable release anyway as I much prefer 
the feel of the camera without the BG10.

I might give it another go, but will probably end up putting it on eBay.

Nick

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Sent: 01/04/04 07:29:42
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S
  Feroze
Oh, yes! It's simply brilliant! I'll surtainly recommend it too. It's
ergonomicly brilliant and  great value for money.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 31. marts 2004 23:11
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S


oh and the infrared and better handling. On the whole its paid for itself
just from the savings on the batteries. I recommened it without reservation.

Later
Feroze

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S


> Yep.
> It's just battery compartment for AA battreries. And of cource you get a
> vertical realease button too. But no more fps.
> Jens
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 30. marts 2004 00:05
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Never heard that rumour before, but it dosn't work like that on my
MZS+BG10.
> I only get to use cheaper batteries.
>
> Later
> Feroze
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert & Leigh Woerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:39 PM
> Subject: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S
>
>
> > I've read somewhere(can't find it) that the fps rate improves to about 4
> on
> > an MZ-S equipped with BG10 grip and lithium batteries.  Can anybody
> confirm
> > this with own experience
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Robert (Woerner Bros.)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>






Re: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread William Robb
Set the crop tool to a fixed aspect ratio.

William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:54 AM
Subject: OT: Photoshop question


> I have a question regarding Photoshop - I hope it is not too
silly...
>
> If I want to crop an image but wish to retain a (or arrive at a)
certain aspect
> ratio - how can I do this? If I select a frame to crop to, I will
most
> certainly change the aspect ratio a little bit (even if I try not
to) which
> will then lead to prints of slightly different size.
>
> Don't shout, if the answer is all to obvious, just laugh at me...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sven
>
>
>
>
>




OT: Photoshop question

2004-04-02 Thread keller.schaefer
I have a question regarding Photoshop - I hope it is not too silly...

If I want to crop an image but wish to retain a (or arrive at a) certain aspect
ratio - how can I do this? If I select a frame to crop to, I will most
certainly change the aspect ratio a little bit (even if I try not to) which
will then lead to prints of slightly different size.

Don't shout, if the answer is all to obvious, just laugh at me...

Thanks,

Sven






FS Friday: Motherboard and CPU

2004-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Epox 8KTA+ motherboard and AMD Athlon 1GHz CPU.
$60.00 plus shipping. 
Been my main system until about a month ago. Quite Photoshop capable :)
The bargain price is because only one of the three SDRAM slots on the
motherboard work. The other two work fine and you can stick a gig of
memory in there.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04

2004-04-02 Thread Mark Cassino
Nice composition and lighting - I especially like the crackled / marbled 
effect on the backlit piece of ice.  The circle also serve as centers of 
interest that pull the composition together. It's a good shot but my 
personal preference is for your "Ice Flower" shot, which moved just a notch 
or two more in the direction of an abstract, which I think kicked it up a 
level in aesthetics.

As for being a macro - this looks freakin' huge to me!  Was it some tiny 
little thing?

- MCC

At 07:20 PM 3/30/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Taken @ Portage, Alaska, hand held from a tour boat to reduce vibrations.
Any idea as to  the magnification?
Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently?

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Thanks in advance for taking the time.

Kenneth Waller
-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-




Re: Predictions, anyone?

2004-04-02 Thread Steve Desjardins
I have to reply on this one.  I have no doubt at all that Pentax will
produce a low end digital  The only question is when it will come out. 
This is THE market.  The *ist D was needed first for reputation and
trial technology reasons, but they will make much more money on the low
end camera, Canon or not.  After all, Pentax produces cheap film SLRs to
compete with the Rebel, and that's a lot more of a losing battle than
the DSLR market.

IMHO, of course . . . 


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/04 02:45AM >>>
In a message dated 3/31/2004 2:49:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think we'll see the Baby D by Xmas along with some more optios. 
IOW,
I agree with Bill.


Steven Desjardins

Yeah, I don't think there is any profit to Pentax in producing a Baby
D. Not 
really. No point in competing with C, they wouldn't capture much of
the 
potential 300D market. And they've already dropped the *istD to be more

competitively priced for a mid to upper end DSLR. More optios, sure.
And maybe a 
second generation *istD... someday. Or a MF equivalent. Be nicer if
they did one or 
both of those anyway.

Marnie aka Doe 



RE: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?

2004-04-02 Thread Rob Brigham
I have this on order at the moment based on the Luminous Landscape
recommendation:

"An excellent new book has just crossed my desk. It's Tim Grey's Color
Confidence - The Digital Photographer's Guide to Color Management. It is
clearly written. beautifully illustrated and contains everything that a
photographer needs to know about this oft-times confusing subject."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0782143164/qid%3D1079646139/sr%3D
2-1/ref%3Dsr%5F2%5F1/104-3772011-2039149

Don't know if anyone knows any others...


> -Original Message-
> From: Otis Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 02 April 2004 14:47
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?
> 
> 
> Are there any good detailed reference texts on color management  that 
> you would recommend.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Otis Wright
> 
> Herb Chong wrote:
> 
> >not necessary. it is necessay to enable color management by having a 
> >chosen working space in Photoshop and converting everything that is 
> >tagged with a known color space to that one on input. if a 
> file isn't 
> >tagged with a color space and it's from a digital camera, you can 
> >assume that it is sRGB. sRGB is an IEC standard. the 
> different types of 
> >sRGB given by a camera are to tell it how to modify the 
> captured color 
> >before saving in sRGB in the file on the memory card. if your camera 
> >supports it, Adobe RGB is a wider gamut color space and gives better 
> >results when printing although it looks flatter on the 
> screen. if this 
> >is the case, your working space in Photoshop should be Adobe 
> RGB. if it 
> >isn't your working space should be sRGB. one of the problems with 
> >Paintshop Pro is that ir assumes sRGB and provides no means 
> to map from 
> >anything else to sRGB. another is that it provides no means 
> to perform 
> >even a rough calibration of your monitor. if you can calibrate your 
> >monitor independently of Paintshop Pro, it can do proper color 
> >management on printing. Photoshop Elements and Picture 
> Window Pro are 
> >two of the lower end programs that do adequate color management for 
> >display while you are working.
> >
> >Herb...
> >- Original Message -
> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>So it's best then if you can have the camera color space set to the 
> >>same color space as PS? And would sRBG on a camera be the 
> same as sRBG 
> >>in a
> >>
> >>
> >Photoshop?
> >  
> >
> >>(Hope that's the right color space acronym.) Is it 
> standardized enough 
> >>to
> >>
> >>
> >be
> >  
> >
> >>the same? Or about the same?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 



Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

2004-04-02 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm Smith"
Subject: RE: OT:Parcel delivery.



>
> This parcel delivery business really baffles me. It wasn't that
long ago
> when the adverts of the various companies reflected what happened
in real
> life - you pay the company to deliver it for an agreed fee upfront
> (excluding customs or duties where applicable), they take care of
it and
> deliver it to the door and hand it to the recipient on receipt of a
> signature.

They have decided that it is more profitable to screw up and lose the
delivery. Their insurance coughs up the replacement cost, and in all
likelyhood they will "deliver" the replacement.
It's called profiting from ones mistakes, and they have elevated it
to a business model.

William Robb




Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?

2004-04-02 Thread Otis Wright
Are there any good detailed reference texts on color management  that 
you would recommend.

Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright

Herb Chong wrote:

not necessary. it is necessay to enable color management by having a chosen
working space in Photoshop and converting everything that is tagged with a
known color space to that one on input. if a file isn't tagged with a color
space and it's from a digital camera, you can assume that it is sRGB. sRGB
is an IEC standard. the different types of sRGB given by a camera are to
tell it how to modify the captured color before saving in sRGB in the file
on the memory card. if your camera supports it, Adobe RGB is a wider gamut
color space and gives better results when printing although it looks flatter
on the screen. if this is the case, your working space in Photoshop should
be Adobe RGB. if it isn't your working space should be sRGB. one of the
problems with Paintshop Pro is that ir assumes sRGB and provides no means to
map from anything else to sRGB. another is that it provides no means to
perform even a rough calibration of your monitor. if you can calibrate your
monitor independently of Paintshop Pro, it can do proper color management on
printing. Photoshop Elements and Picture Window Pro are two of the lower end
programs that do adequate color management for display while you are
working.
Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?

 

So it's best then if you can have the camera color space set to the same
color space as PS? And would sRBG on a camera be the same as sRBG in a
   

Photoshop?
 

(Hope that's the right color space acronym.) Is it standardized enough to
   

be
 

the same? Or about the same?
   



 




OT: Neat camera

2004-04-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I finally found a modest-priced 4x5 wood field camera.
At least even modest-priced as a used unit.
Horseman Woodman.  Rather pretty as well.
But I still have to save up for it.
Hope it's still there when I'm ready. :(

CRB

--
-

"I gave in, and admitted that God was God."

C. S. Lewis

--



Re: Infamous UPS

2004-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Leon posted:
>> UPS is wonderful.  In America.  Once you go beyond that you have
>> problems.  ...
>
>Their reputation IN the USA isn't great either.

Perhaps he meant "Uninterruptible Power Supply"?
;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: OT:PS colour -3 choices ?

2004-04-02 Thread brooksdj
I thought Capture was the raw editor.
I opened up the browser software(nikons)and when i clicked on a thumbnail it went to 
start
the 
Capture program,but its past due 30 days.
Looks like i'm missing something here.I would like to use raw for my personal stuff and
the jpgs can still 
be my onsite choice.

Dave
Just wonmdering if Tiff would be just as good 

> you don't need Capture to convert from RAW.
> 
> Herb
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: OT:PS colour -3 choices ?
> 
> 
> > Hi Butch.
> > I'm shooting Raw + Jpeg mode.My 30 day trial Capyure 4 is expired,so i was
> printing a few
> > from the
> > Jpgs.
> > The camera has 2 sRGB settings,one for portraits and one for landscapes
> and the Adobe RGB
> > for all
> > round shooting.
> 
> 






Re: Predictions, anyone?

2004-04-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:28:52 -0700 
>From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>Prediction: 
>
>Pentax DSLR with built-in endoscope.   
>
>Camera name:  *Ouch. 
>
>Will kick competition in the you-know-what. 
>
>-- 
>Cactus Jack 


Accompanied by the ad cam-pain:
"Where ist it?"
"What ist it doing to me?"
"You want to see my ist?"

(Suitably pronounced in German or English.)

:)

CRB

--
-

"I gave in, and admitted that God was God."

C. S. Lewis

--



Re: Infamous UPS

2004-04-02 Thread John Mustarde
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:34:33 CST, you wrote:

>Leon posted:
>> UPS is wonderful.  In America.  Once you go beyond that you have
>> problems.  ...
>
>Their reputation IN the USA isn't great
>either.

One of the many hats I wear at work requires I keep an eye on the
shipping performance of several major carriers we use, which includes
thousands of shipments per month ranging from one package to full
truckload quantities.  Rest assured every shipper loses or destroys or
damages or delivers to wrong address at least 2% of all shipments.   

There are really no exceptions - all carriers are about as good (or
bad, depending on how one looks at it.)  Sometimes the poor
performance will spike up over 5% per month for a carrier, but
generally they stay in the 2% - 3% range for what we call carrier
errors.

So if one ships enough packages, the law of averages says there will
be a plenty or horror stories for everyone.  Today we are preparing a
rush replacement order - we shipped 64 cartons on a pallet, when they
arrived at the customer most were soaked with oil.  30-weight, looks
like.  Somewhere between one and ten gallons.  How in the heck could
that have happened.

So when selecting a carrier, look for the things that make them easy
to live with, such as easy reimbursement for lost/damaged insured
packages, or low cross-border fees. 

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



Re: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?

2004-04-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
3) The AOCo logo on pentaprism shouldn't be white.

There's a guy over here in Italy doing such things. You can also get green,
blue or any other color finish for customizing your camera.

Dario Bonazza

- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Would this be a custom enamel/paint job?


> This camera looks fishy for 2 reasons:
> 1) The silver winding lever should be black.
> 2) The hot shoe clamp should be silver while the thin metal cover should
be
> black.
>
> Regards,
> Alan Chan
> http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807434472&category=1524
0
> >
> >Nice looking, though.
>
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Re: New K Mount DSLR

2004-04-02 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
On the top of the page is a drop-down
where you can get their "April Fools?"
explanation.  But it was just too
close to what is practical to be a
really good joke.  It might be doable.

CRB

--
-

"I gave in, and admitted that God was God."

C. S. Lewis

--



Re: Predictions, anyone?

2004-04-02 Thread John Mustarde
Prediction:

Pentax DSLR with built-in endoscope.  

Camera name:  *Ouch.

Will kick competition in the you-know-what.


--
Cactus Jack
Warm and Dry in the Valley of the Sun
www.photolin.com
www.photolin.com/payanon/payanon.htm
No More Pay, Pal © 2004 John Mustarde
Don't Ebay, pal, No more Pay, pal, Hey Hey-ah, Good Bye.
Don't Ebay, pal, No more Pay, pal, Na, Na-aaa, Good Bye.




Re: Infamous UPS

2004-04-02 Thread Hal & Sandra Davis
Many of their packages arrive crushed.
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Infamous UPS


> Leon posted:
> > UPS is wonderful.  In America.  Once you go beyond that you have
> > problems.  ...
> 
> Their reputation IN the USA isn't great
> either.
> 
> 



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