Re: Which would you keep

[edwin]

> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:33:30 -0500
> From: Joe Wilensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Which would you keep
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> 
> I would also say keep both, or even decide on one or the other and 
> then pick up a backup body of the same type so you have two! As all 
> these cameras get older and older, it seems having a backup makes 
> sense either for stepping in when something on the more-used body 
> fails, or simply as a source of parts eventually. They are two very 
> different cameras, but if you are going to keep just one, perhaps 
> pick the one with less "mileage" on it, if one is significantly more 
> "used" than the other. It's no guarantee of longevity, but a 20+ year 
> old camera that has had an easy life of light use seems to have the 
> edge over a heavily used body that may have taken thousands more 
> exposures.
> 
> Both the MX and Super Program were built well, I think, and even 
> though the Super Program didn't have a 5 fps motor drive, it was able 
> to handle the 3.5 fps Motor Drive A and had "professional" 
> aspirations, so it may be fairly durable as far as shutter cycles go.
> 
> Joe

I know I'm coming to this thread late, but here's my two cents.

1) keep 'em both.  Not enough resale value in either to be worth selling

2) I've never had a SHUTTER failure with a Super Program.  With motor 
drive A, however, ALL of my Super Programs (4) eventually had their film
advance gearing go out due to the load from the motor drive.  The symptom
is that the winding tension gets unusually high and the film advance shuts
off before the end of the roll.  You can't get the gears any more as 
replacement parts.  It was this exact problem that caused me to ditch
Pentax for Nikon, since the top-of-the-line Pentax body at the time was
the SF-1 which was a non-starter in the motor-drive department.

3) Motor drive A itself is not particularly robust, nor is the Super 
Program.  Both of my motor drives and most of my Super Programs are
suffering from broken parts.  Nothing is reparable (no parts), although 
they are availible on the used market.

4) MXen are hard to repair and very hard to get parts for.  My personal
experience with MXen is not positive in terms of durability/longevity.
OTOH, MXen are pretty much all gears and levers rather than circuits, so
theoretically they should be easier to maintain.  My tech says they are
too fiddly inside for him to touch, but YMMV

DJE

Re: Film may not be dead...

[edwin]

> 
> > But still, I don't know anybody (be it "pro"  or "amateur") for
> > whom digital has changed life significantly, made them instantly
> > happier or helped their karma ;-) while this is not an argument
> > against digital (god forbid!), it's an argument against arguments pro
> > digital ;-)
> 
> It just goes to show how different experiences can be, I personally know many 
> people (besides myself) who are much happier in their photographic pursuits 
> since the widespread adoption of digital imaging technologies.

Digital is certainly more time-efficient for me, which means I spend more 
time taking pictures and less time staring at a sweep clock, or more time
at home and less time at work.  This might arguably have improved my life.
I can't as easily say it's improved my PHOTOGRAPHY.  In many ways 
professional photography is only tangentially about actual photography.

DJE

Re: PEF colour space in the file browser (*istDS)

[johnf]

Rob Studdert mused:
> 
> On 22 Jan 2005 at 13:25, Derby Chang wrote:
> 
> > I have two questions though. In the file browser, the PEF images are all 
> > listed as RGB (untagged), even though I have Adobe RGB set in the custom 
> > settings. The Pentax Browser shows the PEFs correctly. Bug in the Adobe CR?
> 
> Hi D,
> 
> The Pentax RAW files are colour space less, the Adobe RGB flag is used to 
> indicate the camera setting but will be superseded by your colour space 
> selection in PS CS camera RAW.
> 
> > And second question...the *istDS Image Tone option has Bright or Natural 
> > as the two options. What exactly is the setting doing? At a guess it 
> > sounds like the Bright mode applies extra contrast, brightness, and 
> > sharpness. But there are already sharpness and contrast settings. And 
> > this setting shouldn't affect the actual recorded RAW image though, 
> > should it?
> 
> I suspect they are enhancements for in camera processing only.
> 
> Cheers,

I suspect you are wrong.  The *ist-D stores a tone curve in a raw PEF
The *ist-D seems to store two different curves; I assume these correspond
to the "natural" and "bright" settings.  I'd also assume Photo Laboratory
makes use of them (although I doubt if any non-Pentax software does).

Re: PEF colour space in the file browser (*istDS)

[Rob Studdert]

On 22 Jan 2005 at 13:25, Derby Chang wrote:

> I have two questions though. In the file browser, the PEF images are all 
> listed as RGB (untagged), even though I have Adobe RGB set in the custom 
> settings. The Pentax Browser shows the PEFs correctly. Bug in the Adobe CR?

Hi D,

The Pentax RAW files are colour space less, the Adobe RGB flag is used to 
indicate the camera setting but will be superseded by your colour space 
selection in PS CS camera RAW.

> And second question...the *istDS Image Tone option has Bright or Natural 
> as the two options. What exactly is the setting doing? At a guess it 
> sounds like the Bright mode applies extra contrast, brightness, and 
> sharpness. But there are already sharpness and contrast settings. And 
> this setting shouldn't affect the actual recorded RAW image though, 
> should it?

I suspect they are enhancements for in camera processing only.

Cheers,




Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[Peter J. Alling]

frank theriault wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:11:01 -0500, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Cotty has a hairpiece
   


No, but if he did, we would surely make fun of it!!
-frank 

 

Well hell, we can make fun of it anyway.
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

PEF colour space in the file browser (*istDS)

[Derby Chang]

I'm just playing with the Camera 2.4 beta with a bunch of *istDS images 
(thanks MarkR for letting me know the *istDS works with the beta) and 
Rob Studdert's Camera RAW guide. It's nice to be able to get smooth 
8-bit levels straight after the camera raw processing.

I have two questions though. In the file browser, the PEF images are all 
listed as RGB (untagged), even though I have Adobe RGB set in the custom 
settings. The Pentax Browser shows the PEFs correctly. Bug in the Adobe CR?

And second question...the *istDS Image Tone option has Bright or Natural 
as the two options. What exactly is the setting doing? At a guess it 
sounds like the Bright mode applies extra contrast, brightness, and 
sharpness. But there are already sharpness and contrast settings. And 
this setting shouldn't affect the actual recorded RAW image though, 
should it?

D

FS: misc SMC lenses

[Mishka]

M50/1.4 (EX+)
M135/3.5 (EX+)
M200/4 (Bargain)

Oly TCON 1.7 (55mm thread, afocal converter) + 55->49mm step-down ring (LN)

I hope my ratings are consistent with those of KEH.

make me an offer
best,
mishka

RE: PESO: The past times two

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Shel,
In fact, I have posted a series of these images. I think I mentioned the url 
here once some time ago. Of course it may never have made it tot he list . 
They're here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=339191
Paul


> Nice remembrance, Paul.  Interesting and likeable photo, just the kind that
> makes me want to see more - other shots of the house, the area, other
> people, people engaged in different activities.  
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I shot this in Sweden 25 years ago with a Fuji 801 and a Vivitar 20/3.5
> lens.
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1789579&size=lg
> 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Ryan,

I know that in PictureWindow Pro, when you convert to B&W, you are
allowed to pick a color to use for the conversion - acts like a filter
used on the shot.  Sort of what you are talking about.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Saturday, January 22, 2005, 12:17:21 AM, you wrote:

RL> Hi Jens,

RL> I noticed the same thing actually, especially with skin tones. At first I
RL> thought it was black and white points which needed adjusting, but I couldn't
RL> seem to duplicate film quality black and white with the ist D.

RL> Here were some ist D samples (shot in colour, then greyscaled, then black
RL> and white points adjusted slightly):
RL> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755874
RL> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755852


RL> However, the 20D produced some interesting results with the in-camera black
RL> and white (with contrast filters, e.g. red, green etc.)
RL> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2907358&size=lg
RL> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2907401&size=lg

RL> Now a potentially silly question- is there a way to apply a red or green
RL> contrast filter to a black and white image in Photoshop, Paintshop, or
RL> ACDSee, and how would I go about it?

RL> Cheers,
RL> Ryan


RL> - Original Message - 
RL> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RL> To: 
RL> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:09 PM
RL> Subject: RE: PESO: Mom at 90


>> Beeautiful photograph.
>> It's funny how many digital B&W photographs have this "metal greyish -" or
>> "silver greyish" apperance!
>> Jens
>>
>> Jens Bladt
>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Re: NLQ

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:32:10 -0500 (EST), D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:

> The 600 lpm just made that ripping noise you described and
> produced almost no vibration.  It was indeed awesome.

I didn't know it then, but I found out later that the sound those
beasts made is really similar, though not nearly as loud, as the sound
of a rotary cannon, like in the A-10 or the chin turret of an Apache or
Huey Cobra.  The guns make a lot more vibration, though. ;-)

> "Go be sysadmin of that".

Yep, S.O.P. in the "olden days".  Come to think of it, I've learned a
lot more doing that than in all of the college classes I took, plus any
of the classes that employers have sent me to.

> The first laser printer I saw had two modes, ... daisy wheel
> emulation and Epson emulation ...

That was pretty common back then.  If they emulated the Epson FX-80 you
usually could do graphics with the Epson emulation commands, but if
they emulated the MX-80 or earlier, then you often couldn't.  The MX-80
could do graphics, but for some reason I don't recall those emulations
getting the graphics commands.

> the analogy breaks down unless I can figure out what "the software
> runs but you lose infinity focus" could possibly mean.))  

Well, many software design teams seem to have lost infinity focus
before the product was completed, if that counts for anything.

> Oy, I just reread that last paragraph and realized it's a good
> thing I didn't try to drive to rehearsal feeling like this...

Oh, geez, where's your sense of adventure, man!? :-D

> PS:  What would an Apple II emulator under OS X be analogous
> to in lens-mount compatibility terms?

A MCF ... OOPS! That's not camera related.


TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:56:53 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Shel,
> It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
> monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as the 
> highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end until 
> the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going to 
> selective color to add black to the blacks.
> Paul

I missed the initial post (or more accurately, it missed me;  I never
got it).  I'm glad I saw Paul's reply, though, as it's a wonderful
photo.  A document of its times.  I may say more later, as I have to
grab supper, but I really like this a great deal.

cheers,
frank



-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: She's alive!!

[Keith Whaley]

Trevor is sorta kinda cute, isn't he?
Uh huh.
Just kidding, he isn't.
keith whaley
Trevor Bailey wrote:
G'day Leon.
We could put together a montage of Tan looking more buggered the further
she rides
In Brissie she looks fine
In Melbourne she looks ragged
In Perth she looks near Death.
Just for Shits & Giggles  :-)
Just shittin' ya Tan, MateBuddy.Pal...Cobber..
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
-Original Message-
From: Leon Altoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 10:42 AM
To: Fairy Gal; pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: She's alive!!

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:43:30 +1000, Fairy Gal wrote:

Here is our route for the first few days, which includes South Grafton 
on Day 2 - anywhere near you?

[...]

RE: She's alive!!

[Trevor Bailey]

G'day Leon.
We could put together a montage of Tan looking more buggered the further
she rides

In Brissie she looks fine
In Melbourne she looks ragged
In Perth she looks near Death.

Just for Shits & Giggles  :-)

Just shittin' ya Tan, MateBuddy.Pal...Cobber..

Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor

-Original Message-
From: Leon Altoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 10:42 AM
To: Fairy Gal; pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: She's alive!!


On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:43:30 +1000, Fairy Gal wrote:

>Here is our route for the first few days, which includes South Grafton 
>on Day 2 - anywhere near you?


Tanja,

You will have to supply the rest of the schedule for those of us around
the rest of the country who would like to say "hi".  Sydney, Melbourne,
Adelaide (I think) and Perth, just to name a few places where Aussie
PDMLers hang out.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon

Re: She's alive!!

[Keith Whaley]

Trevor Bailey wrote:
G'day Keith.
Thanks Mate.
I can feel the love :-)
I'll bet you can!  
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Hooroo.
keith
-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 11:22 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: She's alive!!

Trevor is sorta kinda cute, isn't he?
Uh huh.
Just kidding, he isn't.
keith whaley

Re: PESO - Making Espresso (was: Re: OT-Coffee Theory)

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:17:16 -0800 (PST), Gianfranco Irlanda
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I jump into the matter just to add something photographic, hope
> you'll enjoy it:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3054083
> 
> Tech. data: LX, 50/1.4, Agfa Scala.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Gianfranco

Lovely shot!  Of course, you took the Greatest Coffee Photo of all
time:  the one you submitted to PUG a couple of years ago with the
bubbles on the top of the coffee shaped like set jewels.  

I like this one, though.  

cheers,
frank
-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:56:36 +0100, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Isn't this one discussion you guys ought to zip up quickily?
> But not too quickly, I guess...
> 
> Jostein

That was a bad one, Jostein!  ROTFLMAO!!

-frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:11:01 -0500, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cotty has a hairpiece


No, but if he did, we would surely make fun of it!!

-frank 


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Up for a challenge?

[Tim Sherburne]

It's been a slow day on the list, hopefully everyone is out engaging in
creative pursuits. I thought I'd post a puzzler I ran across recently:
Figure out the names of candy from clues. Those of you not in the states may
find it a bit more challenging, but probably fun anyway.



Let me know how you do!

Tim

RE: She's alive!!

[Leon Altoff]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:43:30 +1000, Fairy Gal wrote:

>Here is our route for the first few days, which includes South Grafton on
>Day 2 - anywhere near you?


Tanja,

You will have to supply the rest of the schedule for those of us around
the rest of the country who would like to say "hi".  Sydney, Melbourne,
Adelaide (I think) and Perth, just to name a few places where Aussie
PDMLers hang out.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon

PESO: The past times two

[pnstenquist]

I shot this in Sweden 25 years ago with a Fuji 801 and a Vivitar 20/3.5 lens. 
(Wish I had a better wide angle at that time.) The two men in the photo are my 
uncle Olle and my great uncle Einar. This was the first time I met them. The 
location is the kitchen of the farmhouse where my father was born in 1906. Olle 
and Einar were talking when I walked in. They didn't see me, so I was able to 
get a candid photo. It was on tri-x. Scanned from the negative quite recently. 
It's here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1789579&size=lg

RE: PESO: The past times two

[Shel Belinkoff]

Nice remembrance, Paul.  Interesting and likeable photo, just the kind that
makes me want to see more - other shots of the house, the area, other
people, people engaged in different activities.  

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I shot this in Sweden 25 years ago with a Fuji 801 and a Vivitar 20/3.5
lens.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1789579&size=lg

Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[Cotty]

On 21/1/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>No, but if he did, we would surely make fun of it!!


http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare5.html






Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PESO: The past times two

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Keith. It was the only time I ever had a chance to see the place where 
my father came from. I was there for just two days on the tail end of a 
business trip. Both of these men are long since gone. By the way, they were 
speaking Swedish.
Paul


> I would have _loved_ to have seen more images, of other times...
> Your feel of what's important is well felt and portrayed!
> I'd love to have been a fly on the wall, as it's said... to hear what 
> was being talked about. If I understood Norwegian?
> 
> All of which makes it such a very interisting photo!
> 
> keith whaley
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I shot this in Sweden 25 years ago with a Fuji 801 and a Vivitar 20/3.5 
> > lens. 
> (Wish I had a better wide angle at that time.) The two men in the photo are 
> my 
> uncle Olle and my great uncle Einar. This was the first time I met them. The 
> location is the kitchen of the farmhouse where my father was born in 1906. 
> Olle 
> and Einar were talking when I walked in. They didn't see me, so I was able to 
> get a candid photo. It was on tri-x. Scanned from the negative quite 
> recently. 
> It's here:
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1789579&size=lg
> 

RE: She's alive!!

[Trevor Bailey]

G'day Keith.
Thanks Mate.
I can feel the love :-)

Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor

-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 11:22 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: She's alive!!


Trevor is sorta kinda cute, isn't he?
Uh huh.
Just kidding, he isn't.

keith whaley

Re: PESO: The past times two

[Keith Whaley]

I would have _loved_ to have seen more images, of other times...
Your feel of what's important is well felt and portrayed!
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall, as it's said... to hear what 
was being talked about. If I understood Norwegian?

All of which makes it such a very interisting photo!
keith whaley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I shot this in Sweden 25 years ago with a Fuji 801 and a Vivitar 20/3.5 lens. 
(Wish I had a better wide angle at that time.) The two men in the photo are my 
uncle Olle and my great uncle Einar. This was the first time I met them. The 
location is the kitchen of the farmhouse where my father was born in 1906. Olle 
and Einar were talking when I walked in. They didn't see me, so I was able to 
get a candid photo. It was on tri-x. Scanned from the negative quite recently. 
It's here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1789579&size=lg

Re: Up for a challenge?

[Jon M]

Oh, but doing that would require thought. I got the
first few then decided i wasn't going to go through
all that. Such a spoil-sport I am. 

/me goes back to sugar wafers and coffee


--- Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> It's been a slow day on the list, hopefully everyone
> is out engaging in
> creative pursuits. I thought I'd post a puzzler I
> ran across recently:
> Figure out the names of candy from clues. Those of
> you not in the states may
> find it a bit more challenging, but probably fun
> anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Let me know how you do!
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 




__ 
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The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do?
http://my.yahoo.com 

Re: PESO - Making Espresso (was: Re: OT-Coffee Theory)

[Juan Buhler]

Very nice, Gianfranco. Good example of how interesting pictures can be
made out of mundane everyday objects and situations.

j


On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:17:16 -0800 (PST), Gianfranco Irlanda
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just this past weekend I bought a Bialetti coffee maker.
> >
> > http://www.bialettishop.com/MokaExpressMain.htm
> >
> > Really designed for making espresso, but makes 2 mugs of
> regular coffee.
> > Best coffee I've had was brewed in a Sunbeam vacuum coffee
> maker.  We had
> > one when I was a youngster, but they're hard to find now.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I jump into the matter just to add something photographic, hope
> you'll enjoy it:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3054083
> 
> Tech. data: LX, 50/1.4, Agfa Scala.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Gianfranco
> 
> =
> _
> 
> 
> __
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do?
> http://my.yahoo.com
> 
> 


-- 
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Ryan Lee]

Thanks for the tips Godfrey- much appreciated!

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Mom at 90


> > > It's funny how many digital B&W photographs have this "metal
> greyish -" or
> > > "silver greyish" apperance!
> >
> > I noticed the same thing actually, especially with skin tones.
> > At first I
> > thought it was black and white points which needed adjusting,
> > but I couldn't
> > seem to duplicate film quality black and white with the ist D.
> 
> You just need to get better with Photoshop. 
> 
> > Here were some ist D samples (shot in colour, then greyscaled,
> > then black
> > and white points adjusted slightly):
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755874
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755852
> 
> They seem nice, but a little flat on my screen. A Curves layer
> and then some light work with masking would spruce them up. 
> 
> > Now a potentially silly question- is there a way to apply a
> > red or green
> > contrast filter to a black and white image in Photoshop,
> > Paintshop, or
> > ACDSee, and how would I go about it?
> 
> In Photoshop, you can adjust the balance of the channels through
> the Channel Mixer and simulate nearly any kind of filtration. On
> your RGB image, open an Adjustment Layer with the Channel Mixer
> tool. Click the Monochrome button. Leave the Green and Blue
> channels at 0, adjust the Red slider ... you're seeing your RGB
> image purely from the Red channel, as if there was a variable
> density Red filter in front of the lens. Etc.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> 
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
> http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 
> 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 6:55:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really nice, Marnie.
The B&W rendition really suits the subject

Wendy
===
Thanks. 

Normally, I am a color gal. But this seemed a B&W thing. Shows the wrinkles 
better. :-)

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 1:24:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marnie,

I agree with Ken and would like to see all the fingers and finger tips.

Then I thought about her face...
Why can't we see her face?  Why the cliche of the hands?
I guess that I'd like to see her wrinkles and all.
Maybe you could get a twinkle in her eye,
or a dour expression or whatever.
Those hands are just too neutral.

My mom's gone now, but I occasionally catch a glimps of her in my daughter.

Regards,  Bob S.

Almost impossible for me to do. No good background, no good clothes, Mom 
doesn't pose well -- gets self-conscious. Not good enough light, her hair is 
often 
a mess, and usually no twinkle in eye. Good thought. But really almost 
impossible and I am not good at taking people in a non-studio situation. I have 
taken candid shots for my own record, but that is exactly what they are, 
candids. 
I'd need studio lights or something to do better. And I am not dropping bucks 
on them now.

I didn't realize that hands were a cliche. Nevertheless, I really, really 
like hands. And in someone her age, they show a lot character just because she 
has reached the age she has.

Thanks for your  input.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Peter J. Alling
Subject: Re: A* 200/2.8 Value



I knew Cotty was a product of the English school system but you 
William?
English wife.
William Robb 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> > It's funny how many digital B&W photographs have this "metal
greyish -" or
> > "silver greyish" apperance!
>
> I noticed the same thing actually, especially with skin tones.
> At first I
> thought it was black and white points which needed adjusting,
> but I couldn't
> seem to duplicate film quality black and white with the ist D.

You just need to get better with Photoshop. 

> Here were some ist D samples (shot in colour, then greyscaled,
> then black
> and white points adjusted slightly):
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755874
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755852

They seem nice, but a little flat on my screen. A Curves layer
and then some light work with masking would spruce them up. 

> Now a potentially silly question- is there a way to apply a
> red or green
> contrast filter to a black and white image in Photoshop,
> Paintshop, or
> ACDSee, and how would I go about it?

In Photoshop, you can adjust the balance of the channels through
the Channel Mixer and simulate nearly any kind of filtration. On
your RGB image, open an Adjustment Layer with the Channel Mixer
tool. Click the Monochrome button. Leave the Green and Blue
channels at 0, adjust the Red slider ... you're seeing your RGB
image purely from the Red channel, as if there was a variable
density Red filter in front of the lens. Etc.

Godfrey



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Re: PAW (PESO?): Street Festival, Little Italy

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > A final thought:   I posted this photo because I was looking
though
> > some old contacts (from the summer), looking for another
shot, and
> > noticed this one which seems to have escaped my eye the
first time. 
> > That's why I love contacts.  I don't know that I'd do the
same if all
> > my shots were on a hard drive somewhere...

If you wanted to be able to access your photos sensibly, you'd
invest in some simple software that allows you to store them as
thumbnails, title and categorize them for browsing and searches.
And print out catalog pages as "contact proofs", if that was
your desire. 

I have nearly a hundred thousand photos in my file archive now.
It's very easy to scan through them or search for photos created
or modified around certain dates or events, locate exactly what
I'm looking for, find things I'd forgotten. I can't imagine
doing that with 2500 proof sheets anywhere near as efficiently. 


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Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Ryan Lee]

Hi Jens,

I noticed the same thing actually, especially with skin tones. At first I
thought it was black and white points which needed adjusting, but I couldn't
seem to duplicate film quality black and white with the ist D.

Here were some ist D samples (shot in colour, then greyscaled, then black
and white points adjusted slightly):
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755874
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2755852


However, the 20D produced some interesting results with the in-camera black
and white (with contrast filters, e.g. red, green etc.)
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2907358&size=lg
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2907401&size=lg

Now a potentially silly question- is there a way to apply a red or green
contrast filter to a black and white image in Photoshop, Paintshop, or
ACDSee, and how would I go about it?

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: PESO: Mom at 90


> Beeautiful photograph.
> It's funny how many digital B&W photographs have this "metal greyish -" or
> "silver greyish" apperance!
> Jens
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

OT: Wolf Photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Here is some very disturbing news, at least from my point of view:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4194963.stm
Can you shed any light on this, Jostein?

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Ryan Lee]

A bit late, but I'm jumping on the same bandwagon as these guys- great shot
and a unique perspective.

Keep it up and hope to see the rest sometime.

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: PESO: Mom at 90


> Beeautiful photograph.
> It's funny how many digital B&W photographs have this "metal greyish -" or
> "silver greyish" apperance!
> Jens
>
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 21. januar 2005 01:36
> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Emne: Re: PESO: Mom at 90
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:18 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Sat Mom down today for a little impromptu modeling session. Natural
light,
> > chair by big window, white board for reflector, tripod, sheet draped
over
> her,
> > and her wearing a white blouse. She is not the most cooperative model as
> she
> > tends to talk. A lot. :-)
> >
> > I took about 40. Going to be playing with the tonality, etc. for about a
> week
> > (yes, I am converting them to B&W). Then I'll throw up 6-8 and ask
people
> > which they like. Also ask for suggestions on how to improve what I am
> attempting
> > to do. Because I plan to do this again.
> >
> > Some have props. This one doesn't. I liked it right off when I quickly
> viewed
> > them all. Others may not. Tamron SP 90mm (Macro), 200 ISO, 1/100, 2.8.
> >
> > Mom at 90
> > http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/Mom1.htm
> >
> > Comments welcome.
> >
>
> Well, I certainly do like this one!  The narrow dof works very well -
> we have to concentrate on her gnarled, weathered fingers.  Nice
> framing and comp - I like how tight it is.
>
> It could only work in b&w, IMHO.
>
> Very well done.  Can't wait to see more!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
>
>
>

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Keith Whaley]

All excellent points and well told.
You're right, of course.
I'll re-read that and take it to heart.
keith
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Keith,
There are many ways to adjust the shadows without making the faces or other
areas darker.
As for your comments about making the photo, well, the situation wasn't
quite like my approaching them and asking for and taking a pic.  My GF and
I were there for a while, talking, chatting, enjoying the sunshine, and
then I made a few pics. I don't "intrude" where I'm not wanted.  These
fellows had no problem with our being there.  We were just walking by, said
hello, commented on the nice day and the conversation went from there. 
IOW, we were welcomed to spend time with them.  Carol, my GF, ended up
chatting with one of the fellows for quite a while, and, in fact, when we
went to leave a couple of them suggested that we come back again, which
Carol did, by herself, a couple of days later while I was occupied with
something else a few streets over.

The idea that one must follow a certain protocol when photographing people
on the street is such crap.  People are people, and most like to engage in
conversation and passing the time of day. As a person (not as a
photographer) I have to understand where I'm welcome and where I'm not.  To
just arbitrarily avoid any situation where one *might not* be welcome is
foolish.  To *intrude*, of course, is just as foolish.  If you were walking
down your street, in your neighborhood, and came across a couple of
well-dressed  people standing around talking, would you not say hello as
you passed by?  Might you not reply to a response?  Have you never passed
the time of day with a stranger, perhaps someone waiting for a bus, or
shared a table at a busy restaurant with someone you didn't know?  Like I
said, people are people, and we were just being human.
Shel 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Bob Sullivan]

Marnie,

I agree with Ken and would like to see all the fingers and finger tips.

Then I thought about her face...
Why can't we see her face?  Why the cliche of the hands?
I guess that I'd like to see her wrinkles and all.
Maybe you could get a twinkle in her eye,
or a dour expression or whatever.
Those hands are just too neutral.

My mom's gone now, but I occasionally catch a glimps of her in my daughter.

Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:25:57 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2005 8:30:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Great idea.
> My reaction to this is that I would take it in a portrait orientation, to
> acentuate the proportions of the hands & eliminat the extraneous upper LH 
> corner
> & include the finger tips from both hand.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> ===
> Yes, I have some, a little less close, with all the finger tips. I may need
> to PS corners, as the conditions do not really allow me to eliminate all the
> background when I am shooting (i.e. using a model who won't sit long, not 
> having
> a good background, a good chair, good lighting, etc.) I was wondering if not
> having the finger tips in this particular picture would bother anyone. And I
> suppose PSing out some background wouldn't be cheating. :-)
> 
> Thanks, Marnie :-) (Resent.)
> 
>

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Bob W]

Hi,

> Like I said, people are people, and we were just being human.

Well said. Nice photo - made by the guy who's standing.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 10:13:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are some deep blacks in the image, but not many.  I didn't want to
fiddle with contrast and tonality too much until the resto work was done,
but you're right, there are some areas in which there can be a little more
black, just as there are some shadow areas that can be opened up a bit. 
Hmmm ... that selective color sounds interesting.  Never tried what you're
suggesting before.  Definitely worth looking into - thanks for the
suggestion.

Shel 

Okay, that brings up something I've been wondering about. This probably won't 
get through to the list anyway. In converting some color photos to B&W (and, 
yeah, yeah, I know they don't come out the same as if they were shot with B&W 
film), what do I adjust for? I mean how do I figure out the tonality? I have 
to adjust brightness/contrast anyway. What sort of range do I aim for in B&W?

I've been thinking get it light enough to make out most detail, then adjust 
to have some true black here and there and some white here and there -- if 
there is some white in the photo -- but a B&W photo should have some black here 
and there. Shadows, if nothing else. 

Aim for a range.

Is that it?

Scratching head.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 6:55:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really nice, Marnie.
The B&W rendition really suits the subject

Wendy
===
Thanks. 

Normally, I am a color gal. But this seemed a B&W thing. Shows the wrinkles 
better. :-)

Marnie aka Doe (Resent.)

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 8:30:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Great idea.
My reaction to this is that I would take it in a portrait orientation, to 
acentuate the proportions of the hands & eliminat the extraneous upper LH 
corner 
& include the finger tips from both hand.

Kenneth Waller
===
Yes, I have some, a little less close, with all the finger tips. I may need 
to PS corners, as the conditions do not really allow me to eliminate all the 
background when I am shooting (i.e. using a model who won't sit long, not 
having 
a good background, a good chair, good lighting, etc.) I was wondering if not 
having the finger tips in this particular picture would bother anyone. And I 
suppose PSing out some background wouldn't be cheating. :-)

Thanks, Marnie :-) (Resent.)

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 6:14:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
while it's a very nice picture, there's something distracting to me - 
perhaps this triangular white area in the upper right corner. I've 
slightly modified your picture (sorry if you dislike it). See 
http://www.lis.sk/ if you are interested...

Cheers,

Bedo.

Interesting, thanks. I am debating whether to PS out some background here and 
there. I will see as I go on.

Marnie aka Doe  Thanks.  (I sent this earlier, but according to my list, it 
did not get through. Resending. If you get duplicates, sorry.)

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

Hi Shel,
Something just occured to me. I'm looking at this shot at work on a crap 
Viewsonic monitor. I sometimes forget that. I've opened my photos here at times 
and felt the urge to change something. I always have to remind myself that what 
I see here may not be real. I'll look again when I get home. In general, things 
do look a bit flat on this monitor, and that is probably what I'm seeing. I get 
caught up in the discussion and forget where I am and what I'm looking at .


> Paul,  They're far from medium grey here. A lot closer to Zone 4 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > The skin tones here are all medium gray.
> 
> 

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Peter J. Alling]

Oh my God, that's worse...
Cotty wrote:
On 21/1/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

I knew Cotty was a product of the English school system but you William?
   

Au contraire mon frere, the vast majority of my schooling was in
California :-)

Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

I replied to Keith from memory, but I took another look now. On my monitor they 
vary between zone 4 and 5. The slats in the fence behind them are close to zone 
5. "Medium gray" is an ambiguous term. But I'd describe zone 5 as medium gray. 
However, I am running at gamma 1.8, which I mentioned in regard to Frank's 
photo. That's quite a bit brighter than gamma 2.2.
Paul


> Paul,  They're far from medium grey here. A lot closer to Zone 4 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > The skin tones here are all medium gray.
> 
> 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Keith,

There are many ways to adjust the shadows without making the faces or other
areas darker.

As for your comments about making the photo, well, the situation wasn't
quite like my approaching them and asking for and taking a pic.  My GF and
I were there for a while, talking, chatting, enjoying the sunshine, and
then I made a few pics. I don't "intrude" where I'm not wanted.  These
fellows had no problem with our being there.  We were just walking by, said
hello, commented on the nice day and the conversation went from there. 
IOW, we were welcomed to spend time with them.  Carol, my GF, ended up
chatting with one of the fellows for quite a while, and, in fact, when we
went to leave a couple of them suggested that we come back again, which
Carol did, by herself, a couple of days later while I was occupied with
something else a few streets over.

The idea that one must follow a certain protocol when photographing people
on the street is such crap.  People are people, and most like to engage in
conversation and passing the time of day. As a person (not as a
photographer) I have to understand where I'm welcome and where I'm not.  To
just arbitrarily avoid any situation where one *might not* be welcome is
foolish.  To *intrude*, of course, is just as foolish.  If you were walking
down your street, in your neighborhood, and came across a couple of
well-dressed  people standing around talking, would you not say hello as
you passed by?  Might you not reply to a response?  Have you never passed
the time of day with a stranger, perhaps someone waiting for a bus, or
shared a table at a busy restaurant with someone you didn't know?  Like I
said, people are people, and we were just being human.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I would not have approached a "superior number" of ANY race of people, 
> on a street corner, with bottles "concealed" in paper, just "hanging 
> around..." in a rather seedy area of town. I'm intruding. Getting in 
> their space/place/time. Many folks don't LIKE that sort of interference...
> One of the elements/protocols of street photography I see discussed from 
> time to time.
> One way of saying it might be...a ticklish situation.
> I have no wish to interfere with their day, just make an image or two of 
> what I see.
> Would they misunderstand and think I'm being critical of them? Would 
> they care? When I ask them if they mind if I take the shot, and they 
> say, "Why do you want a picture of US, white boy?" what do I say that 
> they wouldn't take umbrage at?
>
> Your big question... my very simple answer...
>
> keith
>
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> >>P.S. & BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
> >>shot back in '69...  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Keith Whaley]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Keith,
Paul's right in that there can be a little more depth in some areas.  See
my note to him if you care to look.  There are ways to add depth without
compromising the skin tones.
That's interesting. Seems to me, fussin' around with the dark end of the 
scale, with a number of black people as the main characters being 
portrayed, requires great developed skill, to make a faithful recording 
of what the eye sees...

I'm interested in your comment below.  Why wouldn't you have made the
photo?  

Shel 
I would not have approached a "superior number" of ANY race of people, 
on a street corner, with bottles "concealed" in paper, just "hanging 
around..." in a rather seedy area of town. I'm intruding. Getting in 
their space/place/time. Many folks don't LIKE that sort of interference...
One of the elements/protocols of street photography I see discussed from 
time to time.
One way of saying it might be...a ticklish situation.
I have no wish to interfere with their day, just make an image or two of 
what I see.
Would they misunderstand and think I'm being critical of them? Would 
they care? When I ask them if they mind if I take the shot, and they 
say, "Why do you want a picture of US, white boy?" what do I say that 
they wouldn't take umbrage at?

Your big question... my very simple answer...
keith
[Original Message]
From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

P.S. & BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
shot back in '69...  

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Paul,  They're far from medium grey here. A lot closer to Zone 4 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The skin tones here are all medium gray.

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 10:10:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Excellent!

graywolf
==
I think you just made my day. :-)

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Cotty]

On 21/1/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I knew Cotty was a product of the English school system but you William?

Au contraire mon frere, the vast majority of my schooling was in
California :-)




Cheers,
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Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

The skin tones here are all medium gray. If you selectively adjust contrast 
with curves or add black to black with selective color, you won't affect the 
skin tones.
Paul


> I'm a little out of my element here, but...
> With a scene of black folk, do you think it's good to add black to 
> black, just to get some deeper shadows, more contrast?
> It seems to be a touchy situation, and much manipulation of the 
> black/white mix of shades might lose the gentle contrast of the picture 
> very quickly.
> But, I don't really know that. Just a guess...
> 
> keith whaley
> 
> P.S. & BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
> shot back in '69...  
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi Shel,
> > It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
> monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as
> the highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end
> until the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going
> to selective color to add black to the blacks.
> > Paul
> 
> >>This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
> >>eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
> >>would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
> >>we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
> >>corner in what is known as the "South of Market" area.  
> >>
> >>This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
> >>dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
> >>light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
> >>Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
> >>or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
> >>learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
> >>and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
> >>be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
> >>presentation.
> >>
> >>Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
> >>
> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
> >>
> >>Shel 
> 

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Peter J. Alling]

I knew Cotty was a product of the English school system but you William?
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

Guilty as charged, punishment: 10 lashes. No, make that 20. Please.

You REALLY must meet my wife.
William Robb

" You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. 
Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman. 
Stuff you pay good money for in later life."




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Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Keith,

Paul's right in that there can be a little more depth in some areas.  See
my note to him if you care to look.  There are ways to add depth without
compromising the skin tones.

I'm interested in your comment below.  Why wouldn't you have made the
photo?  

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> P.S. & BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
> shot back in '69...  

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Paul ...

Never saw your post, just a reference from Keith's post.

There are some deep blacks in the image, but not many.  I didn't want to
fiddle with contrast and tonality too much until the resto work was done,
but you're right, there are some areas in which there can be a little more
black, just as there are some shadow areas that can be opened up a bit. 
Hmmm ... that selective color sounds interesting.  Never tried what you're
suggesting before.  Definitely worth looking into - thanks for the
suggestion.

Shel 


> > Hi Shel,
> > It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
> monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as
> the highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end
> until the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and
going
> to selective color to add black to the blacks.
> > Paul

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Graywolf]

Excellent!
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Re: Which would you keep

[Andre Langevin]

For B & W, the MX.
Super-A has TTL but I don't like the speed buttons and the general look.
MX's best point is that it offers nice control up to a half-stop with 
its orange light.  Great viewfinder also.

Andre

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Keith Whaley]

I'm a little out of my element here, but...
With a scene of black folk, do you think it's good to add black to 
black, just to get some deeper shadows, more contrast?
It seems to be a touchy situation, and much manipulation of the 
black/white mix of shades might lose the gentle contrast of the picture 
very quickly.
But, I don't really know that. Just a guess...

keith whaley
P.S. & BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
shot back in '69...  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Shel,
It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as
the highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end
until the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going
to selective color to add black to the blacks.
Paul

This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
corner in what is known as the "South of Market" area.  

This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
presentation.
Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
Shel 

Re: Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 11:30:00AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Well, if you *will* use web browsers as mail clients ...
> 
> Agreed.  I have to set the one at work to accept html mail, as many of the 
> dipsticks who are supposed to be running the place think it's good to send 
> 15Kb messages to ask simple questions.  

I won't do that for my primary mail program.  Well, it *accepts*
html mail, but it displays it as text, complete with all the tags.
That means it's all but impossible to understand what is being said. 
As a result, those questions don't get answered.

Occasionally I fire up an alternative mail program (usually when
there is an attachment I really want to extract, or somesuch).
I then go back and review any outstanding malformed messages.

Re: PESO - Making Espresso (was: Re: OT-Coffee Theory)

[Shel Belinkoff]

Looks a lot better in B&W ... this RGB version looses the beauty of Scala.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 1/21/2005 8:25:40 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO - Making Espresso (was: Re: OT-Coffee Theory)
>
> Lovely!
>
> Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:
>
> >I jump into the matter just to add something photographic, hope
> >you'll enjoy it:
> >
> >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3054083
> >
> >Tech. data: LX, 50/1.4, Agfa Scala.
> >  
> >

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

Hi Shel,
It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as the 
highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end until 
the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going to 
selective color to add black to the blacks.
Paul


> This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
> eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
> would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
> we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
> corner in what is known as the "South of Market" area.  
> 
> This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
> dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
> light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
> Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
> or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
> learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
> and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
> be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
> presentation.
> 
> Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 

RE: Pins (was: Re: Do you have one of these?)

[Jens Bladt]

I would have thought Greenpeace...

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


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Fra: Albano Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 18. januar 2005 16:16
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pins (was: Re: Do you have one of these?)



The rainbow is also used by cooperative movement (a
kind of socialist organization) and by latin american
indians, specially in Bolivia.
I want to see the Fuji pin by the way...
Regards

Albano
(Fuji S5000 shooter)


--- John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Only thing that bothers me is that on a distance
> it really looks like the 
> > "gay pride rainbow", and I don't wan't to be
> sending out the wrong signals 
> > just because I'm a pentaxian. :-/
> 

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FS: Pentax FA 28-105 F4-5.6 (Pentax Made)

[Chad]

I have for sale the FA 28-105 F4-5.6 (58mm thread) zoom lens. It is in
EX+ condition. This is the Power Zoom version that Pentax made. Its a
nice lens and takes great photos. I'm selling it since it has become
redundant. I have other lenses now with those focal lengths. It will
come with the caps.

Asking $85 plus your choice of shipping. 

Thanks,
Chad

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 8:30:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Great idea.
My reaction to this is that I would take it in a portrait orientation, to 
acentuate the proportions of the hands & eliminat the extraneous upper LH 
corner 
& include the finger tips from both hand.

Kenneth Waller
===
Yes, I have some, a little less close, with all the finger tips. I may need 
to PS corners, as the conditions do not really allow me to eliminate all the 
background when I am shooting (i.e. using a model who won't sit long, not 
having 
a good background, a good chair, good lighting, etc.) I was wondering if not 
having the finger tips in this particular picture would bother anyone. And I 
suppose PSing out some background wouldn't be cheating. :-)

Thanks, Marnie :-)

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 6:55:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really nice, Marnie.
The B&W rendition really suits the subject

Wendy
===
Thanks. 

Normally, I am a color gal. But this seemed a B&W thing. Shows the wrinkles 
better. :-)

Marnie aka Doe 

PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
corner in what is known as the "South of Market" area.  

This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
presentation.

Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html

Shel 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[Kenneth Waller]

Great idea.
My reaction to this is that I would take it in a portrait orientation, to 
acentuate the proportions of the hands & eliminat the extraneous upper LH 
corner & include the finger tips from both hand.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jan 20, 2005 7:17 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: PESO:  Mom at 90

Sat Mom down today for a little impromptu modeling session. Natural light, 
chair by big window, white board for reflector, tripod, sheet draped over her, 
and her wearing a white blouse. She is not the most cooperative model as she 
tends to talk. A lot. :-)

I took about 40. Going to be playing with the tonality, etc. for about a week 
(yes, I am converting them to B&W). Then I'll throw up 6-8 and ask people 
which they like. Also ask for suggestions on how to improve what I am 
attempting 
to do. Because I plan to do this again. 

Some have props. This one doesn't. I liked it right off when I quickly viewed 
them all. Others may not. Tamron SP 90mm (Macro), 200 ISO, 1/100, 2.8.

Mom at 90
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/Mom1.htm

Comments welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)




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Re: PAW (PESO?): Street Festival, Little Italy

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Frank,

I like contacts, and enlarged "contacts" as well.  But having Photoshop
make an automated contacts sheet or gallery in addition is a real plus.

Shel 

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> A final thought:   I posted this photo because I was looking though
> some old contacts (from the summer), looking for another shot, and
> noticed this one which seems to have escaped my eye the first time. 
> That's why I love contacts.  I don't know that I'd do the same if all
> my shots were on a hard drive somewhere...

Re: PESO - Making Espresso (was: Re: OT-Coffee Theory)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Lovely!
Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:
I jump into the matter just to add something photographic, hope
you'll enjoy it:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3054083
Tech. data: LX, 50/1.4, Agfa Scala.
 

Re: Ilford update

[John Whittingham]

Good news:

Firstcall have in stock Pan-F, Delta 100, 400, 3200 and according to them it 
is still being produced at the present time despite Ilford being in 
receivership. Hope this is of some help.

John

John Whittingham

Technician

-- Original Message ---
From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:22:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Ilford update

> "John Whittingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Hi Mark
> >
> >According to my suppliers Ilford are still manufacturing 120 film in FP4 
(ISO 
> >125) & HP5 (ISO 400) and they have it in stock.
> 
> Ooh, bad news: I shoot Pan-F :(
> Any of the Delta films still available?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
--- End of Original Message ---

FS: One More Try -- LX with SMC-M 50/1.4 & FA-1 finder

[bransky]

This one does not have the sticky mirror problem. Brassing 
on corners by the strap lugs, and unfortunately someone neatly 
engraved their name on the body and the lens barrel, so it 
is a user. Everything functions properly.  I put some new 
foam in the back rails a few months ago.  Includes original 
manual, FA-1 finder, and grip as well as a good SMC-M 
50/1.4 lens.  Also have original LX manual.

Hate to sell this one, but I am thinning out and I am not 
shooting enough to justify keeping it.

I am going to try one more time on PDML before trying the auction route. My
asking price last week of $325 shipped CONUS apparently was too high for
PDMLers, so E-mail me off line to make an offer. 

Thanks.

Aaron Bransky

Re: *ist ds review

[Steve Desjardins]

It isn't.  It meters almost instantly, and it's never deterred me from
buying more K or M lenses.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/20/2005 2:54:31 PM >>>

For some reason, this strikes me as hellishly awkward. I'm familiar
with the
Green Button on my MZ-S, and it's nothing like this with M series
lenses.

Do any of you D or DS owners find this workflow to be so troubling that
it
interferes with your photography? Perhaps I just need to get rid of the
old
lenses anyway.

Tim

On 1/19/05 10:56, Billy Abbott wrote:

> As Kostas said, you set a custom function to allow the shutter to be
> released on older lenses, put the camera in manual mode, stop down
as
> you would normally and then hit the AE-L button (I think the DoF
> preview works as well) to stop down momentarily and meter. It then
> sets the shutter speed to the correct speed for the exposure it
> determines.
> 
> So, afaik the same as the *ist-D, apart from the colour of the
button.
> You also don't need any new firmware - the standard DS firmware does
> this out of the box.
> 
> I think the metering modes are also restricted to centre and spot,
but
> that seems to be a fairly standard restriction as far as I have seen
> so far.
> 
> billy

Re: Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Too inflamatory, just like gun control, abortion and politics. 
OTOH,
bikes, beer, SUV's, coffee, and Cotty's hairpiece aren't 
inflammatory,
so we may talk about them as often as we please.  
Can we talk about his codpiece?  Not that I want to, you 
understand
Isn't this one discussion you guys ought to zip up quickily?
But not too quickly, I guess...
Jostein 

Re: PESO: Mom at 90

[wendy beard]

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> 
> Mom at 90
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/Mom1.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
> 
>  
Really nice, Marnie.
The B&W rendition really suits the subject

Wendy

Re: Pins

[Albano Garcia]

Cool collection,
My favorite is the Foo Fighters' one. Great logo.
Regards

Albano


--- John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So, for those curious, I took a higher-res photo of
> my name badge/pin 
> collection (which includes a few new ones):
> 
> http://www.neovenator.com/special/pins.jpg (NOTE:
> 430kb! 56k users, prepare 
> for a wait)
> 
> If you're wondering what they all are, you can refer
> back to 
>
http://www.neovenator.com/special/halloween/pins2.html
> for most of them.  All the new ones should be
> self-explanatory, except the 
> Star Wars pin.  Apologies for having so much glare
> on some of them.
> 
> The pic itself was taken with a Pentax Optio SV in
> super-macro mode, hence 
> the rather shallow depth of field.
> 
> My newest addition, won on eBay just now:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3867359868
> Yay!
> 
> John Celio
> 
> --
> http://www.neovenator.com
> http://www.newpixel.net
> 
> AIM: Neopifex
> 
> "Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and
> pretend I'm making a 
> statement." 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Free ad for Fuji

[Albano Garcia]

And for the rest of the whole world too...
We "love" George...

Albano

--- Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, for almost half of the country that is a
> negative ad, so I
> suppose they'll break even.
> 
> j
> 
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:06:25 -0500, Bill Owens
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > While watching the prelude to the Bush
> inauguration, there was a shot of
> > brother Jeb taking pictures with a Fuji Quicksnap
> one time use camera.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Juan Buhler
> http://www.jbuhler.com
> blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
> 
> 


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Re: *ist ds review

[Thibouille]

It seems it does NOT work anymore with IST-whatever (including film one).


Thibouille


On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:14:09 -0500, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > BTW, another poster mentioned being limited to center-weighted and spot
> > metering. Note that M and earlier lenses always have that limitation
> > anyway on any body, unless you modify them as Mark Roberts describes on
> > his web site, in which case I believe you'd get matrix metering with them
> > on the D and DS too.
> 
> Can anyone confirm that (i.e., with Mark's mod you'd get matrix metering)?
> 
> Fred
> 
> 


-- 


Thibouille

PESO - Making Espresso (was: Re: OT-Coffee Theory)

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just this past weekend I bought a Bialetti coffee maker.
> 
> http://www.bialettishop.com/MokaExpressMain.htm
> 
> Really designed for making espresso, but makes 2 mugs of
regular coffee. 
> Best coffee I've had was brewed in a Sunbeam vacuum coffee
maker.  We had 
> one when I was a youngster, but they're hard to find now.

Hi,

I jump into the matter just to add something photographic, hope
you'll enjoy it:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3054083

Tech. data: LX, 50/1.4, Agfa Scala.

Ciao,

Gianfranco

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RE: PESO: Mom at 90

[Jens Bladt]

Beeautiful photograph.
It's funny how many digital B&W photographs have this "metal greyish -" or
"silver greyish" apperance!
Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 21. januar 2005 01:36
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: PESO: Mom at 90


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:17:18 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Sat Mom down today for a little impromptu modeling session. Natural light,
> chair by big window, white board for reflector, tripod, sheet draped over
her,
> and her wearing a white blouse. She is not the most cooperative model as
she
> tends to talk. A lot. :-)
>
> I took about 40. Going to be playing with the tonality, etc. for about a
week
> (yes, I am converting them to B&W). Then I'll throw up 6-8 and ask people
> which they like. Also ask for suggestions on how to improve what I am
attempting
> to do. Because I plan to do this again.
>
> Some have props. This one doesn't. I liked it right off when I quickly
viewed
> them all. Others may not. Tamron SP 90mm (Macro), 200 ISO, 1/100, 2.8.
>
> Mom at 90
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/Mom1.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>

Well, I certainly do like this one!  The narrow dof works very well -
we have to concentrate on her gnarled, weathered fingers.  Nice
framing and comp - I like how tight it is.

It could only work in b&w, IMHO.

Very well done.  Can't wait to see more!

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

FS: 40mm f/2.8 SMC-M Pancake lens, screwmount primes

[Joe Wilensky]

For sale:
Pentax SMC-M 40mm f/2.8, the pancake lens! EX condition. Exterior 
shows very minor wear at some of the sharp edges. Glass is nice, 
especially since I had it cleaned last year to remove some dust.
$150 includes shipping in the continental U.S.

Pentax Tele-Takumar 300mm f/6.3 screwmount. This is a relatively 
compact 300mm prime, and although it's fairly slow and has a preset 
diaphragm, it's also hand-holdable. Includes a tripod mount and a 
too-large case, though the case works fine for storage. EX condition. 
Very nice glass. Hood included. $125 includes shipping in the 
continental U.S.

Pentax Auto-Takumar 85mm f/1.8. The early version of the 85mm 
Super-Tak. It's slightly faster and has a different optical formula. 
Very nice for portraits. If you're using it on a K-mount body, 
there's little disadvantage to the partially automatic diaphragm 
(which, on a Spotmatic, stops down automatically but must be manually 
hand-cocked to reopen), since you'd use it in preset mode anyway and 
likely at fairly wide apertures for portraits. It's very compact and 
smaller than the other screwmount 85mm lenses, with a 55mm filter 
ring. $125 includes shipping in the continental U.S. Here's a very 
affordable way to get a genuine Pentax 85mm prime lens!

Joe
--
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Editor, Cornell Chronicle
Cornell News Service
324 Judd Falls Road
Ithaca, NY 14853
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(607) 255-3630 phone/voice mail
(607) 255-5373 fax
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FS: metz 32 MZ-3 + dedicated module

[wendy beard]

For Sale:
Metz mecablitz 32 MZ-3 with standard foot, boxed, instructions, soft case 
plus dedicated Pentax SCA 3701 M3 module also with instruction booklet
GN 37 @ ISO 100
Tilt & Swivel reflector Quadrolight
Motor Zoom
System SCA-3000 / SCA-300
Integrated AF measuring beam
$50 + $10 shipping (approx to US)

Metz SCA 372 module in original package with instruction booklet
$10 + $5 shipping (approx)
Pics and description
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/gallery/forsale

Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com 

WTB: 17-20mm prime lens

[Jarek]

Hi
I am interested in purchasing a superwide lens, like SMC-A 20/2.8, FA 
20/2.8, Tokina ATX 17/3.5, Tamron SP 17/3.5 or similiar, for reasonable 
price (well, I couldn't afford JCO's SMC 18/3.5 sold few days ago...).
If you have something interesting, please contact me off-list.

Thanks
Jerry

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Doug Franklin]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:04:14 +, Cotty wrote:

> >It's Cotty's fault.
> 
> Guilty as charged, punishment: 10 lashes. No, make that 20. Please.

Masochist: "Hurt me!"
Sadist:"No!"


TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: FS Friday

[Ryan Lee]

Just a quick revision which will, hopefully, expedite the sale.
USD130, packaged, insured and shipped anywhere, or AUD175, packaged,
insured, shipped in Australia.

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: FS Friday

> A Sigma EX APO teleconverter 2x (Pentax AF), minty fresh. Boxed with
> softcase and papers. USD150 packaged, insured and shipped anywhere, or
> AUD200 excluding postage within Australia. There's an original price tag
on
> the box saying $399.95, so I figure used (well hardly used) half price is
a
> good price.
>
> Drop me a note offlist? Thanks
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan
>
>
>

Re: *ist ds review

[Fred]

> BTW, another poster mentioned being limited to center-weighted and spot
> metering. Note that M and earlier lenses always have that limitation
> anyway on any body, unless you modify them as Mark Roberts describes on
> his web site, in which case I believe you'd get matrix metering with them
> on the D and DS too.

Can anyone confirm that (i.e., with Mark's mod you'd get matrix metering)?

Fred

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Fred]

> My 200 F2.5 (earlier model) is one of my favourite lenses on the ist-d...

Not on any digital body (yet), but:  Used to have an A* 200/2.8.  For a
while, had the 200/2.8 and a K 200/2.5.  Now only have the K 200/2.5.  I
guess I'm just a dinosaur...

Fred

RE: A* 200/2.8 Value

[dagt]

> fra: "Antti-Pekka Virjonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Wow, the prices on the A*85 1.4 and A*135 1.8 are crazy.  They are
> great, but
> > they are not worth that much.
> 
> I think they are well worth the price :-). Besides, there is nothing in
> the
> current lens line as good as these (in the same focal range).

Yes, they are unique, especially the 135 1.8, and my 85 1.4 is has proved that 
they are built for hard use.  (It looks like "Bargain" but the optics is still 
"Excellent+". )

I hope those who buy them for $1000 or $ 1500 will use them, and not just put 
them on a shelf as an investment.

DagT

Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[dagt]

> fra: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On 21 Jan 2005 at 9:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Wow, the prices on the A*85 1.4 and A*135 1.8 are crazy.  They are great, 
> > but
> > they are not worth that much. 
> 
> They obviously are if that's what people are willing to pay.

I was waiting for that response :-)

Yes, you are right because it is worth what people are willing to pay, and I 
wouldn't sell mine for less if I got the bid.

But as a tool for making photographs it still seems crazy.  How much is a new 
FA 135 2.8 now?
Is the difference that large?

DagT

Re: Re: FA 28-70mm 1:4 AL Repair parts

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Actually it's not fungus, the rear aspheric element separates, it can 
> look like fungus or simply a bit of haze on a surface or anything
> in between.  Unfortunately your problem is the same one I have.  That's 
> why new parts from Pentax are hoped for.

Anyone care to send me one of these lens groups?  I have the facilities at work 
and it _may_ (and I stress that word very strongly) be possible to recement it.

Northeast England.

mike

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Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[William Robb]

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From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: A* 200/2.8 Value


Guilty as charged, punishment: 10 lashes. No, make that 20. Please.
You REALLY must meet my wife.
William Robb

" You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. 
Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman. 
Stuff you pay good money for in later life."

 

Re: Finally - enabled

[Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu]

Oh, no... what have I started? 
I had a shock when I realised how small it is (compared with my MZ-6).
It would be smaller even if I put a winder (I've saw one at ~50 euro
and it looks nice - but I have no interest in buying it. Btw: the
camera+repairs - i.e. cleanup&foam replacement - costed slightly less
than 50euro.) I thought I'll have problems using it - but no, it feels
just fine.
The main reason I want to use such a camera is it's viewfinder. Well,
my eyesight is not that good, but with my MZ-6 I used only the center
AF point - and so many times I didn't recompose after that. A plain
matte screen is just like an unlimited points, eye controlled AF
system  (I want to ignore in most situations the split screen)
Next step? After I'll get used with the camera, some B&W (doing the
processing by myself). I just need some equipment and a proper place.
And yes - it's YOUR fault 

Alex Sarbu (who figured out how to load the ME Super )

Re: OT-Coffee Theory

[Billy Abbott]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:51:30 +, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Over here a great deal of that additional markup goes to the
> supermarket, not to the grower, because they will happily milk those
> of us who do not buy on price alone.

I try and avoid buying coffee in the supermarket if possible. If
you're in London, these guys are great:
http://www.monmouthcoffee.co.uk/ - I get my coffee from them whenever
I can, and stop in at there shop and grab a cup if I have a
moment...they know how to brew their coffee nicely. They do mail order
as well.

Whittards also do a bunch of fair trade stuff and their prices and
quality are pretty good.

I've started recently grinding my own, but am still experimenting to
try and get it to taste as good as the guys at Monmouth Street...I
expect this is a neverending battle.

billy (who has just finished a cup of Guatamalan Elephant [bean size,
not passed through civit style] and is now bouncing off the walls)

-- 
Billy Abbott
Photography - http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/

Re: *ist ds review

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It's not a problem to use older lenses. I have a couple of M
series lenses and find them easy to use with the *istDS. 

Install lens. Set exposure to manual, set desired aperture.
Point at meter target, press AE-L button. Frame, focus, tweak
settings if you feel it's warranted. Take picture. 

Godfrey

--- Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For some reason, this strikes me as hellishly awkward. I'm
familiar with the
> Green Button on my MZ-S, and it's nothing like this with M
series lenses.
> 
> Do any of you D or DS owners find this workflow to be so
troubling that it
> interferes with your photography? Perhaps I just need to get
> rid of the old  lenses anyway.




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Re: She's alive!!

[Cotty]

On 21/1/05, Fairy Gal, discombobulated, unleashed:

[snip]

>My new guy is fantastic and my
>kids adore him.  They go back to school on Monday, so hopefully I will have
>a little more time on my hands

and that's not all!  ;-)

Hey, you told him that we slept in the same room ?




Good luck on the rides and hikes. Post some pics!

X




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RE: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Antti-Pekka Virjonen]

> Wow, the prices on the A*85 1.4 and A*135 1.8 are crazy.  They are
great, but
> they are not worth that much.

I think they are well worth the price :-). Besides, there is nothing in
the
current lens line as good as these (in the same focal range).

Antti-Pekka


Antti-Pekka Virjonen
Estera Oy Turku

www.estera.fi
www.computec.fi 

Re: Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Well, if you *will* use web browsers as mail clients ...

Agreed.  I have to set the one at work to accept html mail, as many of the 
dipsticks who are supposed to be running the place think it's good to send 15Kb 
messages to ask simple questions.  

mike

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Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[Cotty]

On 21/1/05, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

>On Jan 21, 2005, at 1:25 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> [...] and Cotty's hairpiece aren't inflammatory, [...]
>
>Is it made of Nomex or something?

ok ok, I give in - I cannot tell a lie.

Here it is:

http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare5.html

warning: extremely disturbing image




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Re: A* 200/2.8 Value

[Rob Studdert]

On 21 Jan 2005 at 9:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Wow, the prices on the A*85 1.4 and A*135 1.8 are crazy.  They are great, but
> they are not worth that much. 

They obviously are if that's what people are willing to pay.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[Cotty]

On 21/1/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was told we didn't have to discuss merkins on this bboard ...

No, firkins.




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Re: Re: OT-Coffee Theory-was: PESO: While the Dog Waited

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: Norman Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I sent an email to that address and received a reply with one of my 
> photos (non-digital) attached and a gift certificate for 10 cents.
> Norm
> 
> > From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >> John Francis wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1/[EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >>
> >> Netscape mail client thinks this is an email address.  Wonder if it's 
> >> where the DSLR fairy lives?

Dear Norm,

Please send me a copy of your email programme.

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