Re: Canon PIXMA iP600D printer
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cotty) wrote: try this site for inks and paper: http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=777_2_203_20302 Looks promising! However, it doesn't list any ink as being compatible with the iP6000. Some poking in the manual which says it takes BCI6-series ink tanks, and searching of the site reveals those. John, my S9000 uses the BCI6 inks and I can't find them anywhere cheaper. Never had a problem with 7dayshop - their sister site is www.mx2.com FWIW. Based in Jersey, they can skirt around VAT. Delivery time using the cheaper option is 3 to 5 days, and it all arrives in separate padded envelopes. I usually place an order once every 3 or 4 months, spending about anywhere between 60 and a hundred quid. I buy the Ilford Gallerie papers as well. You can phone orders through, but I place them online and it works fine. Just a satisfied customer. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Christian wrote on 02.06.05 5:15: I wonder if Pentax could make a K to 4/3 adapter. :-) There's already one among others :-) http://www.cameraquest.com/adapt_olyE1.htm -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Don Sanderson wrote on 02.06.05 1:56: Just found a Nikon compatibility chart: http://www.nikonlinks.com/unklbil/bodylens.htm It's a bit complicated for sure. Glad I bought an FM though. ;-) But not too complicated :-) One thing is certain - you can mount AI and AIS lenses (majority of used MF Nikkors have this mount) on all new bodies, but only with few higher end (F100, F5, F6, D1X, D2X, D2H) you will have metering. On the newest hi-end bodies (F6, D2 series) compatibility is even better than on Pentax, because you can store in camera parameters of up to 10 manual lenses and thus obtain matrix metering and aperture display :-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:53:15PM -0400, Christian wrote: Once again, Pentax has not even thrown us a bone. Hey check it out guys! a new DSLR! (oh yeah, not the one our loyal, salivating customers have been begging for, it's another downgrade. even LOWER spec-ed than the previous release) On 2/6/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: Anyone who finds this news in any way astonishing just hasn't been paying attention. Pentax stated their future path, loud and clear, in the interview given at about the time the *ist-DS was released. First the DL, then the MF digital, and then the *ist-D follow-on. But the ostriches don't want to hear the facts - they'd rather keep their head buried in the sand, then piss and moan when Pentax don't release the *ist-Dn camera those folks just happen to want. Can you blame them John? It's only natural for a consumer to voice opinion on a product, especially where the direction the product is going is perceived as the wrong direction. That opinion, voiced in enough quantity, can lead to possible re-examination of said direction. Ultimately though, consumers vote with their feet, as has happened in a few cases on the list here. I try not to confuse pissing and moaning with healthy criticism which can surely only be a positive thing. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Christian wrote: But I'm wondering what it offers that the others do not. It is newer and will compete in price. Until the next offering from the competition. This is the point of this model. A new buyer now has again three choices, and like DagT, I can now tell whoever asks me ask to see the new Pentax too. salespeople. We've read it here many times: You go in a store and ask for Pentax and the salespeople immediately push the two big brands at you. And what can the PDML do about that? of professional-grade cameras, lenses and accessories. They shouldn't waste their time (and mine; my dissatisfaction with their product strategy has been voiced) with entry-level cameras that - in spite of build quality, features, size and ergonomics - cannot compete with current offerings from other companies based on marketing and brand recognition. I am sure the -DL has cost them next to nothing given the previous RD and if it sells well it's a money cow. What they do with this money (if it comes) may be of interest. Pentax does not move fast. They are committed to APS-C. They have a roadmap for new lenses (looking forward to the FF 50-200/4, myself) and have promised an upgrade to the -D in the longer term. We can question whether these will happen all day, given their track record, but their recent past shows they deliver. It's pointless trying to get them to change the above strategy to higher-end (FF?) K-mount products, so let's not waste breath. You pay your money, you make your choices. Yesterday was a good day for Pentax (and Sweden ;-))) as far as I am concerned. Kostas
Re: Good things about *istDL
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Today, it seems, flash and image sells more than quality and practicality. What do you mean today, people and most living things have always felt safety in numbers, and that's what image gets you. If I hadn't done my homework and decided to shell out 700 GBP for a camera kit, I think I would go with the lemmings, wouldn't you? Kostas
Re: Good things about *istDL
On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: It's not about being original, it's about being associated with or linked to the best. Using your car analogy some people also buy their new car with all the factory options and just leave it at that, just like buying a top line camera. I'm gonna bling my LX... - Replace those red meter LEDs with blue ones - Add a fat chrome film advance - Lower the prism - Add an intercooler for the turbo-winder - any other ideas? Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: *ist DL now on dpreview
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, P. J. Alling wrote: Actually I think it was the ME variants that sold in record numbers that made the LX possible, though the K1000 sales certainly helped keep it alive. Difficult. Only the ME and the (was it cheap? did it sell in bucket-loads) MX predate the LX, according to Boz. There were 4 years between the K1000 and the LX; the KM and the K2 predate the K1000 by approximately a year. Kostas
Re: OT: Kodak kills DSLR - the end of FF dreams
Quoting Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's interesting :-) So it seems that if you want to have the same brand of camera and decent WA zoom, you just can't go with Canon ;-) BTW - which third-party zoom has used your friend? That would be valuable information for us :-) IIRC, it wasn't even a zoom, but a prime. I will check it out next time I talk to him. jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
I knew I was provoking you, and I got what I expected .-) I make a living by selling my time and my knowledge in a certain field. Sometimes I have the chance to sell something the client doesn't need. Why shouldn't I do that? Because in the long run he will be dissatified, so they don't come back. You asked us what we would say to convince people to buy Pentax, I say why sould we convince anybody unless they find by themselves that they want Pentax. I think there are as many reasons for liking Pentax as there are people on this list, so general arguments probably would have much effect. Knowing the needs of the potential buyer would help a lot, but I would just as soon recommend Canon for someone who needs a high speed dslr, or Pentax if they want a good finger or have old Pentax lenses. Actually, I'm defending your change to Canon. You are clearly not satisfied with Pentax, so you are no longer among those customers they want to sell to. Either your needs have changed or Pentax has changed over the last few years, or you have simply misunderstood Pentax' philosophy (if they have any) from the beginning. I can't see much change in Pentax over the years I've used them, so maybe it's you. You can't demand that they follow you. It looks like you feel insulted by them for not defining your needs as their major concern, but if they did they would look even more like Canon, loose whatever uniqueness they have and die under the weight. Small companies can't compete in all areas. They have to choose something that makes them visible in the market. We can agree or disagree with their strategies, and someone always do. As long as Pentax makes money we are alright. I'm not sure that they would continue doing so if they copied Canon in most aspects. DagT fra: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, who cares about the answers to your question? I think you, the loyal Pentax user, should care if you are at all interested in products more geared to the advanced amateur or (dare I write it?) professional user who wish to use some of that awesome SMC glass (which is remarkably hard to get new, but still available on the used market). Once again, Pentax has not even thrown us a bone. Hey check it out guys! a new DSLR! (oh yeah, not the one our loyal, salivating customers have been begging for, it's another downgrade. even LOWER spec-ed than the previous release) I'm not bashing the new camera. The D is a great camera. The Ds is a great camera, marketed and priced competitively against the Rebel and D70. I'm sure the DL will turn out to produce great images and have the small size and ergonomics that Pentax is famous for. I understand wanting to capture new users who do not own an SLR yet. But I'm wondering what it offers that the others do not. And I'm wondering how Pentax expect to out-compete (and you KNOW they have to out-compete) the other two manufacturers who have their names in lights and who advertise, market, and offer incentives to salespeople. We've read it here many times: You go in a store and ask for Pentax and the salespeople immediately push the two big brands at you. Sure, you and I and the other PDMLers can hold our own and get what we want, but the average, uneducated consumer will walk out of the store with a Canon or Nikon without even knowing about a brand called Pentax. If Pentax want to be a niche player, great! But their niche should be advanced amateurs such as myself who are willing to pay for a steady stream of professional-grade cameras, lenses and accessories. They shouldn't waste their time (and mine; my dissatisfaction with their product strategy has been voiced) with entry-level cameras that - in spite of build quality, features, size and ergonomics - cannot compete with current offerings from other companies based on marketing and brand recognition.
Looking for Photo Publishing Software
I am looking for a free piece of software running on Solaris or XP that will make it fast and easy for me to create galleries and upload them to my website. I am, looking for thumbnails index with simple webpages coming off them. I came across Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/ which appears to do just that: http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/sample1/ Has anyone used it? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Kostas
RE: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Kostas, I use jalbum, see http://jalbum.net/ It is easy to learn and there are plenty of lay-outs to choose from. I have no experience with Web Album Generator. My gallery is at http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/ Henk -Original Message- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June, 2005 12:11 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Looking for Photo Publishing Software I am looking for a free piece of software running on Solaris or XP that will make it fast and easy for me to create galleries and upload them to my website. I am, looking for thumbnails index with simple webpages coming off them. I came across Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/ which appears to do just that: http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/sample1/ Has anyone used it? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Kostas
I'm outa here
Off to North Carolina and GFM. Back on Tuesday. William Robb
RE: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Here are my two favorites: Jalbumn http://jalbum.net/ Gallery Constructor http://www.through-the-lens.net/ Don -Original Message- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:11 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Looking for Photo Publishing Software I am looking for a free piece of software running on Solaris or XP that will make it fast and easy for me to create galleries and upload them to my website. I am, looking for thumbnails index with simple webpages coming off them. I came across Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/ which appears to do just that: http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/sample1/ Has anyone used it? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Kostas
Re: PESO PAW - The Wall: Number One
Very nice. The blacks are rich, the detail in the colored portion is good. I like the simple geometry of the shot. I am left wishing for a tiny bit of perspective correction and perhaps slightly more uniform lighting. I don't think totally uniform light would be desirable, but the luminosity range from the darkest corner of the color band on the left to it's brightest corner is probably too great for maximum effect. Well seen. Paul Hi! http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/wall1s.html San Francisco Museum of Modern Art has a striped wall. It's boring, but yet there was something within the design that was intriguing. Here's interpretation Number One. Shel, that would serve as an excellent book cover for MOMA catalogs or exhibition promotions... I mean this as a compliment. I should say that to me this is one of your more successful non-people works... Boris
Re: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Kostas, When I see this question in forums, people frequently point to jalbum. http://jalbum.net/ No personal experience with it though. --- Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a free piece of software running on Solaris or XP that will make it fast and easy for me to create galleries and upload them to my website. I am, looking for thumbnails index with simple webpages coming off them. I came across Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/ which appears to do just that: http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/sample1/ Has anyone used it? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Kostas __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PESO PAW - Modern Art
Again, nice. But again, I think this could benefit from perspective correction. Paul On Jun 2, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/wall2f.html Another interpretation of the same wall at the SFMOMA This is one is good but the first one is better. The first one is sharper (not in photography sharpness pov), clearer, stronger... Boris
RE: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
--- Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 28/3.5, 35/3.5, 135/3.5, 200/4, 50/1.7, just to name a few. All inexpensive, all very good to excellent. For all 5 of the above I paid less than $150.00, I'm very pleased with all of them. I suppose how one is looking at the Pentax situation. There are tons of 3rd party K mount lenses which will work with current bodies, also many not-so-hot SM/K/M/A/F/FA lenses. But for the few high quality lenses, especially good primes, there aren't many bargains when compared to C/N, new or used. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Then move on. I've decided to wait for now. I passed up a very good deal on a little used 1D Mark II last week. But I gave it some thought. I think waiting makes sense at the moment. Paul On Jun 2, 2005, at 12:34 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: Nor do I wish to have to wait until the MF Digital is brought to market and fails miserably before being told that they can't now afford to produce a better spec'd *ist D replacement. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
And I'm wondering how Pentax expect to out-compete... I thought they stop doing that after the failure of LX? Perhaps the LX was the biggest mistake ever to Pentax because Pentax fans have had such unrealistic expectation since. Pentax 135 has never meant to be truely professional like C/N, the LX was just an accident. g If Pentax want to be a niche player, great! But their niche should be advanced amateurs such as myself who are willing to pay for a steady stream of professional-grade cameras, lenses and accessories. They shouldn't waste their time (and mine; my dissatisfaction with their product strategy has been voiced) with entry-level cameras that - in spite of build quality, features, size and ergonomics - cannot compete with current offerings from other companies based on marketing and brand recognition. I bet Pentax would be out of business a lot sooner than Minolta if that's what they had done. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
--- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My original hypothetical was for a new consumer who didn't have any previous lenses. BU, sorry! Previous brand ownership is a no-brainer in making the decision. I bought the D (a great camera, thankfully) because I already had bags-o-gear. Your response has been disqualified! :-) I could be wrong, but I think the majority of consumers have strong preference toward C or N (just to famous obvious to ignore). I mean those who have never touched a camera. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: *ist DL now on dpreview
William Robb escribi: Any idea how many K1000s they sold to make the LX possible? I don't know if the K1000 made the LX possible, but it was a huge seller. More than 2.500.000 in fact, in 20 years. Carlos
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe will see a new OP camera Olympus-Pentax. :) [-ve + -ve = +ve] I suppose? :-) Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
--- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if Pentax could make a K to 4/3 adapter. :-) There is an adaptor to mount K lenses on E system. http://www.kindai-inc.co.jp/mount_fosa.htm Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
--- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new experience with Canon in the realm of backwards compatability is almost non-existent. I still own some nice SMC Taks that work on the 20D just as well as on the D or Ds. It is interesting to see EOS bodies can mount many other lenses such as Contax Zeiss. Just one more reason to go EOS to those who want digital for their old lenses. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Kodak kills DSLR - the end of FF dreams
Jostein wrote on 02.06.05 10:21: IIRC, it wasn't even a zoom, but a prime. I will check it out next time I talk to him. OK, let us now :-) But still, from technical point of view there should be a visible vignetting with WA lenses used on FF DSLR, because less light strikes at angle photo elements in the corners. BTW here is complete D2X review and comparison with 1Ds mk II. Not much differencies between these two cameras, and obviously 1Ds is not 2x better as price tag would suggest ;-) http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2x/ -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see what they are attempting to do, I don't know if it will work for them but I can tell you it's not the camera I want. Nor do I wish to have to wait until the MF Digital is brought to market and fails miserably before being told that they can't now afford to produce a better spec'd *ist D replacement. History just keep repeating itself. When the company has detached from reality, some nasty is going to happen. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/
Re: That Old Fashioned Glow
Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 10:55:42 PM, Bill wrote: BL Shel, I have a possible answer. Try my Ernst Leitz Wetzlar VAROO 50/3.5 BL uncoated enlarging lens with T-Stops. It came with an early Focomat enlarger BL ca 1937. It had plenty of glow. When using the original Leitz enlarging BL light bulb pics really glowed. But that way you will have exact opposite effect to it. Your shadows will bleed into highlights, while using a softer lens will bleed the highlights into shadows... Good light! fra
Re: street shooting lens
It's about a 8/10 revolution from closest focus to infinity, and it is one of the stiffest focusing rings on any lens I own. Time to relube the lens. Believe me, it works. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Good things about *istDL
On 2/6/05, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed: - Replace those red meter LEDs with blue ones - Add a fat chrome film advance - Lower the prism - Add an intercooler for the turbo-winder - any other ideas? Sure. Air spoiler on the hotshoe? Go-faster stripes? A few extra KC Daylighter strobes up top? More? ! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Seen in this week's Amateur Photographer...
If Pal is correct and Pentax is working on an EOS-killer,... Okay, so we now know the upcoming Pentax semi-pro body will be named EOS-killer. What else? Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2/6/05, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I've decided to wait for now. I passed up a very good deal on a little used 1D Mark II last week. But I gave it some thought. I think waiting makes sense at the moment. This is called getting older - admit it, 20 years ago you would have gone for it ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Seen in this week's Amateur Photographer...
--- Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the odds, considering the information strategy the mother company has? Pentax Japan tells the distributors less than nothing! That's the case in Europe, at least. Applies to all actual products too. They just let us Pentax users to discover the charm of their products. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
If me, 20 years ago I could not even give it a thought, for 2 excellent reasons: 1) It did not exist (this is also a good reason for Paul ;-) 2) I couldn't afford such a cost (even a good deal on such a beast) Dario - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? On 2/6/05, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I've decided to wait for now. I passed up a very good deal on a little used 1D Mark II last week. But I gave it some thought. I think waiting makes sense at the moment. This is called getting older - admit it, 20 years ago you would have gone for it ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: OT: Kodak kills DSLR - the end of FF dreams
Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 5:50:12 PM, Jostein wrote: J I think Bjørn's experiment should be read with considerable caution. J It is inadvertently staged to be in favour of Nikon. In the vignetting J example, they chose a WA-zoom from Canon which certainly isn't top J notch. It was selected simply because it was the only WA zoom his J Canon friend owns. Bjørn, OTOH, has access to just about every Nikon J lens he fancies. Nonsense... The 17-40 is L glass, which is Canon's top notch series. In many situations, from the reviews, it _outperforms_ the 16-35 L ... What lens would you test it with, OMG? Good light! fra
Re: OT: Kodak kills DSLR - the end of FF dreams
Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 4:47:13 PM, Cotty wrote: C On 1/6/05, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: don't you think the Nikon sold more than the Kodak just because the Nikon is a Nikon and the Kodak is, well, not a Nikon, or a Canon, or even a Pentax. C Mark! I think it sold less because it was a botched up camera of amateur model SLR (F80) with professional model sensor. They should have put it into F5 body... Kodak still has a good name, after all, they were the ones who _started_ the DSLR thing. And most agencies newspapers went digital with Kodak cameras...(AP2000, DSC420,460,520,560,... right until Nikon and Canon offered their own digital bodies). Good light! fra
Re: OT: Kodak kills DSLR - the end of FF dreams
SP That's interesting :-) So it seems that if you want to have the same SP brand of camera and decent WA zoom, you just can't go with Canon ;-) SP BTW - which third-party zoom has used your friend? That would be SP valuable information for us :-) I bet it was Leitz :) Good light! fra
Re: Good things about *istDL
Rob wrote: The fact that Pentax don't have a visible upper level body doesn't help their position in the market. True, but the issue is when is the right time for releasing an upper level body. According to Pentax they will but only after the Pentax DSLR user base is sufficiently large. 66 000 is probably not enough Pål
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Christian wrote: But I'm wondering what it offers that the others do not. What it offers is that it isn't a Canon. This about as sensible aswer to the question as you can get. There are as many reasons as there are people. Pål
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Bruce wrote: The sad thing about this is, that Pentax has to be WAY better than Canon or Nikon to be able to get any attention. There is no way for any other manufacturer to be WAY better than Canon. They can be a little bit better all the way around, but it won't matter much. My original dissapointment over the *istD was that it wasn't funky enough and didn't offer the design flair in order to get attention. I think Pentax need to design DSLR that looks less me too. Pål
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Alan wrote: I thought they stop doing that after the failure of LX? Perhaps the LX was the biggest mistake ever to Pentax because Pentax fans have had such unrealistic expectation since. The LX a failure? Certainly not saleswise. Considering that the camera was among the most expensive 35mm slr money could buy (late in life it costed more than a Leica), it sold briskly and probably only outsold by the F3 in its class. It is true though that many at the Pentax board considered it a mistake but that was for economical reasons (they never made any money on it). However, Pentax dire situation at present is due to the fact that the company had no presence in the upper segments during the AF era, and hence lost most their customer base. In addition, the LX is fundamental for the underground Pentax hysteria existing at present. In case you haven't noticed, Pentax image has been transformed in later year possibly due to their underdog status. Nowadays you can read on the net about Pentax lenses of Leica quality, both by users and prhotography writers (eg. Mike Johnston); Pentax outperforming Zeiss lenses for the Hasselblad and Contax (by Hasselblad and Contax owners); and even magazines now treat Pentax as a brand for knowledgeable fundamentalist appreciating unsurpassed optical and mechanical quality. Five years ago such notion would be laughed at (some may still do) and Pentax was strictly considerd also ran for those who couldn't afford the real thing. Theres a lot of Pentax mystique going around at present and considering that other mythical brands are virtually dead (Contax and Leica), there should be market for an oddball company if they play their cards right. Pål
Re: Rumors About Pentax's Future
- Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Rumors About Pentax's Future the Leica with a 10MP sensor and less components lists for $9K. since Kodak also makes the 645D sensor, there no chance that the 645D sensor will cost substantially less than the one used in the Leica. the sensor makes up easily half the OEM cost of the camera. Lots of assumptions here. 1. Leica isn't known for selling anything cheap. 2. As I understand it the digital solution for Leica was designed fully out of house. However did the work want to make a profit on it. 3. The volume for this product is minuscule. It cost millons of dollars to develop and a huge part of the 9K is due to this. 4. As I understod the press releas from Pentax a few years back the Kodak chip in question is not a commodity bought off the shelf but the fruit of a cooperation between Kodak and Pentax. Pentax probably have had a signifcant input in the design. 5. Developing cost for the 645D is probably not astronomical. It uses the chassis and finder of the current 645's long ago paid for. Based on the interface and the AF selector pad on the back it almost certainly use *istD electronics and SAFOX VIII AF system, also paid for long ago. Leica must get the revenue back from a single product while Pentax use building blocks from lots of products. Pål
Re: Predictable Pentax
Herb wrote: - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Predictable Pentax expanding the base works only if you are not losing a lot of money while doing it. if you do, there's no money left for when the demand curve flattens and prices drop. in the case of the DSLR market, the price competition is going to get much worse in the next couple of years and profit margins are going to drop further. that is why delivering a high end body now makes sense. Fuji, Olympus, and Konica-Minolta have made indications that this is their strategy. large market share at razor thin margins or small market share at large margins? playing at the low end is a good way to go out of business. Certainly not. Making a high-emd body for Pentax makes no sense at present as virtually no one would buy one. Sure, they could make a body somewhat higher than the *istD but thats about it at present. The only high-end Pentax have any hope to be a player is in digital MF. Pentax didn't even see the need to have a high-end 35mm film body after 1980. A high-end DSLR cost several magnitudes more to develop than, say, an LX replacement with much smaller sales. Very few first time Pentax DSLR buyers would buy a high-end DSLR. Hence, they need to have a DSLR customer base installed before higher end model are being released. Pl
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
John wrote: Anyone who finds this news in any way astonishing just hasn't been paying attention. Pentax stated their future path, loud and clear, in the interview given at about the time the *ist-DS was released. First the DL, then the MF digital, and then the *ist-D follow-on. But the ostriches don't want to hear the facts - they'd rather keep their head buried in the sand, then piss and moan when Pentax don't release the *ist-Dn camera those folks just happen to want. BRAVO! Pål
Re: Seen in this week's Amateur Photographer...
If Pal is correct and Pentax is working on an EOS-killer,... I think I said they would make a camera that outperforms what Canon can offer in image quality... Pål
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
The upgrade path is an interesting question. If you buy an entry DSLR ($700) and a few comparable lenses, you will probably be investing less than $1500. To access those high end Canon lenses and bodies you'll have to spend this much on a new body (20D) and probably a $1000 a lens. For most folks, this is never going to happen, so the only real question is Pentax actually staying in business and offering the DA lenses or Sigma keeping them in the lineup. Even for someone like me who considers photography a hobby, the Canon stuff that really makes a difference is more than I want to spend. I'm OK with the high end Pentax being the 20D equivalent, which will always lag behind Canon's release by a few years. OTOH, those who buy Leica just because they can will go to Canon because it gives them a place to spend their money. I also realize there are serious amateurs on this list who want (and can use) high end equipment. They should switch to Canon and not look back. (Stay on the PDML however; it just makes it more fung). Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simplification (was Re: Good things about *istDL)
From color Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:15:29 -0700 speaking of cars. people do all kinds of things to make their cars UNIQUE. they put 27 rims on them, custom paint jobs, crate engines, lowered or raised suspension, etc. etc. and then they buy all those rebels and 300D's. it's kind of like everybody dreams of driving a beige toyota corolla. conclusion: if you want to be original and unique - buy f...n' Pentax, you won't see the same one every five feet walking down the street... :) color You'll have to excuse me, color. I drive a Toyota (91 Camry, 289K+ miles), currently work for Toyota's biggest competitor, but would rather be driving a 300SD. Though a 300D TurboDiesel would do nicely. This would be the non-Canon version 300D. More seriously, the body of the DS is solid. It's a good base for building a future on. So -- modify the features and firmware. Just like the MZ/ZX series. Reduce AF points cut cost. Simplify the software feature set. Whatever works to make real profit and stay in business. The question is: What will be done next to simplify it even further? 1. Remove all unnecessary hardware (if there is any left to remove) and modify the firmware so that it will only work with digital or FA lenses. 2. Remove the manual exposure modes. Swap for more auto pic modes. 3. Remove the video output, making it just USB. Maybe remove that as well. Who uses it anyway? We've all got card readers. IOW, look at the MZ/ZX body differences and apply them here. Sincerely, Collin Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
fra: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . They should switch to Canon and not look back. (Stay on the PDML however; it just makes it more fung). I don't know. We've got enough people who have switched to Canon and are regretting it because they find that it didn't really make a difference to their photographs, but in stead of admitting it they stay around criticising Pentax for not being what they wanted it to be .-) DagT
Re: PESO: Lights shadows
Scott Loveless wrote: Luben, I like the composition and exposure except for the window. I think if it weren't quite so blown out this would be a really wonderful photograph. Otherwise, great! On 6/1/05, luben karavelov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, Last I was participating in a conference in Plovdiv (one of the biggest towns in Bulgaria). It was organized in a house dating from the end of 18th century in the ancient part of the town. The conference took part in the yard, thanks the good weather, but I was amazed from the stairs in the house. I took the picture with 19mm Vivitar lens on Fuji 100ss at about 4am. I shoot it with the electric lights switched on in order to compensate the scene contrast and was underexposed by 1 or 2 stops because I was trying to present the dark and sombre atmosphere of the house. The film was over-developed later by mistake - it is my first roll of Neopan100ss that I am shooting and developping - but it is one of the successful images on the film because the image was underexposed. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?topic_id=1481msg_id=00COZcphoto_id=3415443photo_sel_index=0 I would like to hear all your comments, critics and advices. Best regards luben Thanks Scott, I know that the window linght is overblown. Actually it is overdeveloped. The negative is really thick so I made the correction after scanning it but if there is nothing on the negative, nothing will be on the positive ;) Thanks luben -- Computers are useless. They can only give answers. - Pablo Picasso
Re: Lights shadows
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: luben karavelov Subject: PESO: Lights shadows http://photo.net/photodb/photo?topic_id=1481msg_id=00COZcphoto_id=3415443photo_sel_index=0 I would like to hear all your comments, critics and advices. I like it. It looks like a great place to shoot nudes. William Robb Thanks William, May be next time I go to Plovdiv I will try... And I hope the place will be more calm, without tens of people wondering around. Best Regards luben -- Computers are useless. They can only give answers. - Pablo Picasso
Re: Re: Good things about *istDL
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/02 Thu AM 08:39:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Good things about *istDL On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: It's not about being original, it's about being associated with or linked to the best. Using your car analogy some people also buy their new car with all the factory options and just leave it at that, just like buying a top line camera. I'm gonna bling my LX... - Replace those red meter LEDs with blue ones - Add a fat chrome film advance - Lower the prism - Add an intercooler for the turbo-winder - any other ideas? Pentax did it already. You just need to shell out for the Titanium. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Christian wrote: - Original Message - From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, who cares about the answers to your question? If Pentax want to be a niche player, great! But their niche should be advanced amateurs such as myself who are willing to pay for a steady stream of professional-grade cameras, lenses and accessories. They shouldn't waste their time (and mine; my dissatisfaction with their product strategy has been voiced) with entry-level cameras that - in spite of build quality, features, size and ergonomics - cannot compete with current offerings from other companies based on marketing and brand recognition. My experience with DSLRs is only a 20D of a friend. I don't like it, really - it is too bulky and heavy, it doesn't fit well in my palm, it is hard to make easy things etc. It is my impression of shooting 2-3 weeks with it. There are 2 reasons for me not to switch in part to digital. I am looking for well built and simple body - I do not need most of the advanced feature: big buffers, 3 frames per second, 11 points of autofocus etc. (on other side it is sad that they replaced the pentaprism with pentamirror in *istDL). The second reason is that the prices of current offerings are a little bit high for me. So, I am expecting to see the price of the DL body when it hits the market... luben -- Computers are useless. They can only give answers. - Pablo Picasso
GFM
Anyone travelling through Ohio on the way to GFM feel free to call me. I'm in the phone book. Lunch/dinner on me. Sincerely, Collin Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: Predictable Pentax
I guess it depends on whether you think the dog wags the tail or the tail wags the dog. Nikon sells lots of cheap cameras because its a Nikon. Pentax sells lots of cheap cameras because they're cheap. When the sales-droid says, I can sell you a Nikon or Canon for only $5 more, Pentax loses a sale. Luckily Pentax does have some residual reputation, but only with us older folks, and those who remember using a K-1000 in college. Anybody remember Craig car stereos? They were cheap. They were better than the name-brands. The Pioneer has a better receiver. Does the Pioneer have an antenna hooked up? Yes. Does the Craig? No. How come I can not hear this station on the Pioneer? Craig did not advertise much. They are gone. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Pål Jensen wrote: expanding the base works only if you are not losing a lot of money while doing it. if you do, there's no money left for when the demand curve flattens and prices drop. in the case of the DSLR market, the price competition is going to get much worse in the next couple of years and profit margins are going to drop further. that is why delivering a high end body now makes sense. Fuji, Olympus, and Konica-Minolta have made indications that this is their strategy. large market share at razor thin margins or small market share at large margins? playing at the low end is a good way to go out of business. Certainly not. Making a high-emd body for Pentax makes no sense at present as virtually no one would buy one. Sure, they could make a body somewhat higher than the *istD but thats about it at present. The only high-end Pentax have any hope to be a player is in digital MF. Pentax didn't even see the need to have a high-end 35mm film body after 1980. A high-end DSLR cost several magnitudes more to develop than, say, an LX replacement with much smaller sales. Very few first time Pentax DSLR buyers would buy a high-end DSLR. Hence, they need to have a DSLR customer base installed before higher end model are being released. Pål -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
Greetings from Winston-Salem
Dave Brooks and I managed to get across the border (go figure...), met Ann in Buffalo, then off to Pittsburgh to meet Mark. Driving in tandem, we made a little detour to Winston-Salem NC to drop off a bike (don't ask). At 10pm it's pissing rain, so heading to GFM seemed silly. A night terrorizing hotel staff, and here we are, ready to head off to GFM in the (still) pissing rain, 9:20am. Using the hotel computer to send this - staff is glaring at me, so I have to be quick. Must stop for beer and supplies on the way. Updates may follow. BTW, Peter, Scott, I saw what you said about me coming to meet Mark. Don't think I won't remember... LOL THE ADVENTURE CONTINUES - updates may follow. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: street shooting lens
Funny how people buy old beat up lenses that who knows what their history is and figure all of them are junk based upon that experience. Even worse when it has an obvious minor problem that almost any tech could fix for little money. RULE: almost every piece of photographic gear ought to have a CLA done every 5 years. Sitting in the sock drawer is almost worse than being used heavily, so it does not matter how pretty it looks. On the other hand there are some techs out there that you would be better off tossing your camera off a ten story building than having them work on it. Isn't life interesting? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Alan Chan wrote: It's about a 8/10 revolution from closest focus to infinity, and it is one of the stiffest focusing rings on any lens I own. Time to relube the lens. Believe me, it works. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
FS: stuff
4 modern 8x10 film holders $30 each 2 wood 8x10 film holders $25 each. -- all in excellent condition 8x10 film that I'll list later. Sincerely, Collin Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
The economy is on an upswing now too, at least outside the US. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? i am just curious: all this time i have been hearing about inexpensive excellent pentax lenses. what are they (i mean, both, inexpensive AND excellent)? Prices are on an upswing at the moment. I have, in the past, gotten some very excellent deals on good Pentax glass. William Robb -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
Re: OT: Kodak kills DSLR - the end of FF dreams
Frantisek wrote on 02.06.05 13:58: I bet it was Leitz :) Why Leitz don't use then L designation for their lenses is mystery - they'd sell much better ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Perhaps. Although twenty years ago I couldn't afford it. By the time we earn enough to live somewhat decadently, we no longer have the energy or inclination. That's nature's way of making us older folk behave :-). Paul On 2/6/05, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I've decided to wait for now. I passed up a very good deal on a little used 1D Mark II last week. But I gave it some thought. I think waiting makes sense at the moment. This is called getting older - admit it, 20 years ago you would have gone for it ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Simplification (was Re: Good things about *istDL)
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: The question is: What will be done next to simplify it even further? 1. Remove all unnecessary hardware (if there is any left to remove) and modify the firmware so that it will only work with digital or FA lenses. 2. Remove the manual exposure modes. Swap for more auto pic modes. 3. Remove the video output, making it just USB. Maybe remove that as well. Who uses it anyway? We've all got card readers. IOW, look at the MZ/ZX body differences and apply them here. And how well did the MZ-60 sell? And what was the feature set of its successor in the line-up (film *ist)? Kostas
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
I've heard that said. However, except for the LX which I understand continued to be available in Japan Pentax has not offered a high end camera since about 1990. The MZ/S was a step in the right direction, but too little too late. Except for the unfortunate name the *istD was also a step in the right direction. In the old days Pentax was noted for its mid-line cameras. But the only thing you gave up buying one of them was a few features otherwise they were as good as any camera on the market, both in picture making ability and build quality. Yes, a Pentax H-3 was every bit as well built as an Nikon F, or a Leica M-3. The interesting thing is that it would not be any big deal to upgrade the istD to a higher-end camera. Higher rez, and maybe larger sensor. Get rid of the pop up flash, advanced amateurs and pros don't use them and they are delicate anyway. Drop the I don't know what I am doing features. Raise the price a bit. Oh yes, and change the stupid name grin. Of course, an MZ/D with a current sensor would be really nice. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- John Francis wrote: Pentax have been going broke trying to play to that niche for years. They don't have a viable future continuing along that line - there just aren't enough loyal, salivating customers today. Of course they might not have a viable future anyway, but at least they're doing what is necessary to try and stay in business. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? Theres a lot of Pentax mystique going around at present and considering that other mythical brands are virtually dead (Contax and Leica), there should be market for an oddball company if they play their cards right. But that's my point. They are not playing their cards right. I liked Pentax the odd-ball, mystical company. The LX, the SMC lenses of mythical stature, the wacky focal length Limiteds, etc. To keep the oddball customers coming back, they had better come out with something to keep the fans of the LX, PZ-1, MZ-S type cameras around. Going for the bottom of the market is no longer being odd-ball it's being stupid and generic and setting them up for a failure in the marketplace... IMO. Christian
Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? fra: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . They should switch to Canon and not look back. (Stay on the PDML however; it just makes it more fung). I don't know. We've got enough people who have switched to Canon and are regretting it because they find that it didn't really make a difference to their photographs, but in stead of admitting it they stay around criticising Pentax for not being what they wanted it to be .-) If you are refering to me, you are wrong. I have no regrets about my decisions. My experieince, ie, going out and shooting pictures as much as I can, has improved my photography. I got results I was proud of with film and the LXen, MXen, etc. I got results I was proud of with the *ist D and I get results I'm proud of with the 20D. Why are some of my 20D pictures better than my *ist D pictures which were better than with film? It aint the camera or the media; it's me. And BTW, I'm going to hang around on this list because I still own Pentax cameras and lenses (not that it's a neccesity; Graywolf's FAQ don't mention it). And I'll voice my opinion WRT new DSLR releases because it's my god-given right to have an opinion of a company I had/have so much respect for. When they make stupid decisions (IMO) I'm going to tell it how I feel about it. Christian
Re: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Henk, I really like your gallery. I esp like Italian contrasts in the people folder. It is a fantastic photograph that would benefit greatly from a tight crop. rg Henk Terhell wrote: Kostas, I use jalbum, see http://jalbum.net/ It is easy to learn and there are plenty of lay-outs to choose from. I have no experience with Web Album Generator. My gallery is at http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/ Henk -Original Message- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June, 2005 12:11 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Looking for Photo Publishing Software I am looking for a free piece of software running on Solaris or XP that will make it fast and easy for me to create galleries and upload them to my website. I am, looking for thumbnails index with simple webpages coming off them. I came across Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/ which appears to do just that: http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/sample1/ Has anyone used it? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Kostas
Re: PESO PAW - The Wall: Number One
Hi Paul, I thought about perspective correction and decided against it. Now that the final is complete, I may try it just to see how it looks. However, as with the lighting, I was really looking for something that wasn't too flat, where tones and shapes were a bit uneven. The color range on the left band is pretty wide, but, on my monitor, doesn't appear extreme - by my definition of extreme, anyway ;-)) Thanks for taking the time to look and for your comments. Shel From: Paul Stenquist Very nice. The blacks are rich, the detail in the colored portion is good. I like the simple geometry of the shot. I am left wishing for a tiny bit of perspective correction and perhaps slightly more uniform lighting. I don't think totally uniform light would be desirable, but the luminosity range from the darkest corner of the color band on the left to it's brightest corner is probably too great for maximum effect. Well seen. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/wall1s.html San Francisco Museum of Modern Art has a striped wall. It's boring, but yet there was something within the design that was intriguing. Here's interpretation Number One.
Re: Good things about *istDL
Padded snakeskin, Cesar has shown you the way... David Mann wrote: On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: It's not about being original, it's about being associated with or linked to the best. Using your car analogy some people also buy their new car with all the factory options and just leave it at that, just like buying a top line camera. I'm gonna bling my LX... - Replace those red meter LEDs with blue ones - Add a fat chrome film advance - Lower the prism - Add an intercooler for the turbo-winder - any other ideas? Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Try Coppermine http://coppermine.sourceforge.net/ it's open source. I like it and it makes uploading, gallery creation and thumbnailing super easy. My website is all Coppermine: http://www.skofteland.net running on Linux. Christian - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: Looking for Photo Publishing Software I am looking for a free piece of software running on Solaris or XP that will make it fast and easy for me to create galleries and upload them to my website. I am, looking for thumbnails index with simple webpages coming off them. I came across Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/ which appears to do just that: http://www.ornj.net/software/webalbum/sample1/ Has anyone used it? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Kostas
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
There are a great many people using their Leica R lenses on the Canon bodies. Over on the Leica list it seems that most everyone has at least one Canon body for their R lenses, and some have even sold off their Leica gear. These were the same folks who, a couple of years ago, were waving the Leica flag exclusively. It's sad to see the Canon juggernaut rolling over the photographic landscape as it is, but clearly Canon has the product that many people want when it comes to digital. Shel [Original Message] From: Alan Chan It is interesting to see EOS bodies can mount many other lenses such as Contax Zeiss. Just one more reason to go EOS to those who want digital for their old lenses.
Re: Simplification (was Re: Good things about *istDL)
You'll have to excuse me, color. I drive a Toyota (91 Camry, 289K+ miles), currently work for Toyota's biggest competitor, but would rather be driving a 300SD. :) I owned a corolla, I know what i'm talking about. Let's just say I was not 100% serious when I was writing my previous message... color
Re: Good things about *istDL
What about a golden LX with snake skin case? Is it any different? color Cotty wrote: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:20:48 -0700 On 2/6/05, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed: - Replace those red meter LEDs with blue ones - Add a fat chrome film advance - Lower the prism - Add an intercooler for the turbo-winder - any other ideas? Sure. Air spoiler on the hotshoe? Go-faster stripes? A few extra KC Daylighter strobes up top? More? ! Cheers, Cotty
Re: Simplification (was Re: Good things about *istDL)
Kostas Kavoussanakis Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:55:48 -0700 And how well did the MZ-60 sell? And what was the feature set of its successor in the line-up (film *ist)? Kostas My point is Pentax' tradition for 3 decades. Start with the K2 and build a line off the basic design. Start with the ME and build a line off the basic design. Start with the SF1 and build a line off the basic design. Start with the PZ-1 and build a line off the basic design. Start with the ZX-5 and build a line off the basic design. Obviously not all derivatives are direct. And sales volume is less important because design and production cost is shared across the line. Just swap the prism housing/electronics module you've got a new camera. Doesn't matter that 3/4 of it is identical. The top is what you look at and use. Like the common body panels of many GM vehicles allowing a Buick to look like a Chevy. (Just swap grille and tail lights badge who can tell the diff?) It's a cost-cutting measure on the design and production side. To that same end ... Don't be surprised to see a manual focus Pentax digital to hit $500. Sort of a digital ZX-M. On another note ... for those who use it with film ... ... trap focus is still a feature on the DS. Sincerely, Collin Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: Seen in this week's Amateur Photographer...
I'm still holding out for the *ist-DLX... Alan Chan wrote: If Pal is correct and Pentax is working on an EOS-killer,... Okay, so we now know the upcoming Pentax semi-pro body will be named EOS-killer. What else? Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Many thanks for all the answers. Jalbum it is. Kostas
RE: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
Gonz, thanks. I did submit Ïtalian contrasts to PUG some years ago. Henk -Original Message- From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June, 2005 4:49 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Looking for Photo Publishing Software Henk, I really like your gallery. I esp like Italian contrasts in the people folder. It is a fantastic photograph that would benefit greatly from a tight crop. rg
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] My original dissapointment over the *istD was that it wasn't funky enough and didn't offer the design flair in order to get attention. I think Pentax need to design DSLR that looks less me too. I don't buy cameras as fashion accessories. They are merely tools to do the job. Ergonomics is WAY more important than design flair to me. Christian
Sounds like good logic
Certainly not. Making a high-emd body for Pentax makes no sense at present as virtually no one would buy one. Sure, they could make a body somewhat higher than the *istD but thats about it at present. The only high-end Pentax have any hope to be a player is in digital MF. Pentax didn't even see the need to have a high-end 35mm film body after 1980. A high-end DSLR cost several magnitudes more to develop than, say, an LX replacement with much smaller sales. Very few first time Pentax DSLR buyers would buy a high-end DSLR. Hence, they need to have a DSLR customer base installed before higher end model are being released. Pål Sounds like good logic. Pentax did anounce a 645d body with the Kodak 13.1mp chip coming out soon. I guess that would be their true pro camera. http://www.pentaximaging.com/footer/news_media_article?ArticleId=6458800 Mike
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fra: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . They should switch to Canon and not look back. (Stay on the PDML however; it just makes it more fung). I don't know. We've got enough people who have switched to Canon and are regretting it because they find that it didn't really make a difference to their photographs, but in stead of admitting it they stay around criticising Pentax for not being what they wanted it to be .-) DagT And then we have Dr. Friedrich Cotty Frankenstein... -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: street shooting lens
I didn't mention it was new in a box when I bought it, probably about 15years after it had been discontinued. The only other M lens I got new in a box was the 50 f1.7 with my first MX. The feel was similar but both have been getting silkier as I've been using them. The 50 has a huge head start however... Graywolf wrote: Funny how people buy old beat up lenses that who knows what their history is and figure all of them are junk based upon that experience. Even worse when it has an obvious minor problem that almost any tech could fix for little money. RULE: almost every piece of photographic gear ought to have a CLA done every 5 years. Sitting in the sock drawer is almost worse than being used heavily, so it does not matter how pretty it looks. On the other hand there are some techs out there that you would be better off tossing your camera off a ten story building than having them work on it. Isn't life interesting? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Alan Chan wrote: It's about a 8/10 revolution from closest focus to infinity, and it is one of the stiffest focusing rings on any lens I own. Time to relube the lens. Believe me, it works. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
If it weren't on the upswing in most places in the US it wouldn't be on the upswing outside. We are China's market... Graywolf wrote: The economy is on an upswing now too, at least outside the US. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors? i am just curious: all this time i have been hearing about inexpensive excellent pentax lenses. what are they (i mean, both, inexpensive AND excellent)? Prices are on an upswing at the moment. I have, in the past, gotten some very excellent deals on good Pentax glass. William Robb -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
[Happy] My D has arrived :D (enablement)
I'm happy now :) -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: [Happy] My D has arrived :D (enablement)
Thibouille wrote: I'm happy now :) -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... You forgot to change your sig :-) S
Re: Simplification (was Re: Good things about *istDL)
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:55:48 -0700 And how well did the MZ-60 sell? And what was the feature set of its successor in the line-up (film *ist)? Kostas My point is Pentax' tradition for 3 decades. Start with the K2 and build a line off the basic design. Actually the K2 was a dead end, unless you count the K2-DMD. (or the LX which shared many concepts), as a follow on. The K bodys other than the K2 were based on the old Spotmatic F chassis. Start with the ME and build a line off the basic design. There was a complete redesign, with the P bodies, and not for the better IMHO. Start with the SF1 and build a line off the basic design. Start with the PZ-1 and build a line off the basic design. Start with the ZX-5 and build a line off the basic design. The rest is more or less true as I see it. Obviously not all derivatives are direct. And sales volume is less important because design and production cost is shared across the line. Just swap the prism housing/electronics module you've got a new camera. Doesn't matter that 3/4 of it is identical. The top is what you look at and use. Like the common body panels of many GM vehicles allowing a Buick to look like a Chevy. (Just swap grille and tail lights badge who can tell the diff?) It's a cost-cutting measure on the design and production side. To that same end ... Don't be surprised to see a manual focus Pentax digital to hit $500. Sort of a digital ZX-M. On another note ... for those who use it with film ... ... trap focus is still a feature on the DS. Sincerely, Collin Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Good things about *istDL
On 2 Jun 2005 at 10:08, color wrote: What about a golden LX with snake skin case? Is it any different? It's also known as the shock and awe cringe cam, not good for close in apple-pie portraits :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
JAlbum looks like a great program - certainly worth a download and a test drive. I've a question for JAlbum users using Win XP: The JAlbum site allows the option of downloading the program using an installer or downloading JAlbum without an installer as a zip archive. Is there any benefit to one or the other options? Any downsides? Shel [Original Message] Jalbumn http://jalbum.net/ Gallery Constructor http://www.through-the-lens.net/
Re: Pentax *ist-DL
P. J. Alling wrote: I don't think anyone actually read the new EU constitution, it's the size of the New York phone book. One of the reasons I would automatically vote against it, given the option. I've not been given the option. It's important enough for everyone to be bound by law to read it. Which is not going to happen. So neither is it. Jostein wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] After the Netherlands votes no, the EU can print maps with no countries on it at all! LOL. I bet the new constitution has been promoted by the Pentax advertising department. Jostein
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
På 2. jun. 2005 kl. 16.33 skrev Christian: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fra: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . They should switch to Canon and not look back. (Stay on the PDML however; it just makes it more fung). I don't know. We've got enough people who have switched to Canon and are regretting it because they find that it didn't really make a difference to their photographs, but in stead of admitting it they stay around criticising Pentax for not being what they wanted it to be .-) If you are refering to me, you are wrong. I have no regrets about my decisions. My experieince, ie, going out and shooting pictures as much as I can, has improved my photography. I got results I was proud of with film and the LXen, MXen, etc. I got results I was proud of with the *ist D and I get results I'm proud of with the 20D. Why are some of my 20D pictures better than my *ist D pictures which were better than with film? It aint the camera or the media; it's me. And BTW, I'm going to hang around on this list because I still own Pentax cameras and lenses (not that it's a neccesity; Graywolf's FAQ don't mention it). And I'll voice my opinion WRT new DSLR releases because it's my god-given right to have an opinion of a company I had/have so much respect for. When they make stupid decisions (IMO) I'm going to tell it how I feel about it. First: see the smiley .-) Second: Say whatever you want, as I will... DagT
outta here
I'm off to GFM, kids. Don't break the list while I'm gone.
Re: Greetings from Winston-Salem
On 2/6/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Dave Brooks and I managed to get across the border (go figure...), met Ann in Buffalo, then off to Pittsburgh to meet Mark. Driving in tandem, we made a little detour to Winston-Salem NC to drop off a bike (don't ask). At 10pm it's pissing rain, so heading to GFM seemed silly. A night terrorizing hotel staff, and here we are, ready to head off to GFM in the (still) pissing rain, 9:20am. Using the hotel computer to send this - staff is glaring at me, so I have to be quick. Must stop for beer and supplies on the way. Updates may follow. BTW, Peter, Scott, I saw what you said about me coming to meet Mark. Don't think I won't remember... LOL THE ADVENTURE CONTINUES - updates may follow. Go ahead, rub salt in my wounds, see if I care. WAA!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: outta here
Damn, Doug, you're no fun... Doug Brewer wrote: I'm off to GFM, kids. Don't break the list while I'm gone. -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: outta here
On 2/6/05, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm off to GFM, kids. Don't break the list while I'm gone. Shhh. Okay, wait til they're all gone, and meet back here Friday night for a PARTY! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: Looking for Photo Publishing Software
.zip = faster download. .exe = no unzipping needed. Don -Original message- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:59:39 -0500 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Looking for Photo Publishing Software JAlbum looks like a great program - certainly worth a download and a test drive. I've a question for JAlbum users using Win XP: The JAlbum site allows the option of downloading the program using an installer or downloading JAlbum without an installer as a zip archive. Is there any benefit to one or the other options? Any downsides? Shel [Original Message] Jalbumn http://jalbum.net/ Gallery Constructor http://www.through-the-lens.net/
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2 Jun 2005 at 8:10, Steve Desjardins wrote: I'm OK with the high end Pentax being the 20D equivalent, which will always lag behind Canon's release by a few years. I appreciate that the Pentax offerings will likely lag behind Canons line-up however it's pretty sad when the two bottom end cameras have far better buffer/processing speed and info screens that the top line camera. None of the Pentax line up provide comparable resolution to the current bottom line Canon offering (350D) and still no *ist D replacement in view. But hey that are small. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Camera stores going down.
Well another old line camera store is almost gone, Kingston Camera of Kingston RI is holding it's going out of business sale this weekend. They've been in pretty much the same location for over 50 years. I saw and fondled a LX for the first time there. It's a sad day, they were probably one of the best stores in Rhode Island and they weren't even in a major city. On a side note the Ritz Camera Store in one of the local malls seems to have disappeared as well, small loss IMO, but still a loss. -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2/6/05, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: If me, 20 years ago I could not even give it a thought, for 2 excellent reasons: 1) It did not exist (this is also a good reason for Paul ;-) 2) I couldn't afford such a cost (even a good deal on such a beast) Dario The point I was making was that most of us become more patient the older we get :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2 Jun 2005 at 8:02, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It's sad to see the Canon juggernaut rolling over the photographic landscape as it is, but clearly Canon has the product that many people want when it comes to digital. The thing is that they got there by listening to their customers, so well they deserve it IMO. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
Maybe in Australia the bottom line camera in the Canon line is the TX but the Rebel D is still being sold in the US. Rob Studdert wrote: On 2 Jun 2005 at 8:10, Steve Desjardins wrote: I'm OK with the high end Pentax being the 20D equivalent, which will always lag behind Canon's release by a few years. I appreciate that the Pentax offerings will likely lag behind Canons line-up however it's pretty sad when the two bottom end cameras have far better buffer/processing speed and info screens that the top line camera. None of the Pentax line up provide comparable resolution to the current bottom line Canon offering (350D) and still no *ist D replacement in view. But hey that are small. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2/6/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: I don't know. We've got enough people who have switched to Canon and are regretting it because they find that it didn't really make a difference to their photographs, but in stead of admitting it they stay around criticising Pentax for not being what they wanted it to be .-) If I was to wear a T shirt with the single most important slogan that summed up my entire life, it would say simply: No Regrets I switched because at the time there was no digital offering from Pentax. I waited over a year for something to happen, even a hint of something on the horizon. The MZ-D was announced and I thought - perfect - just what I wanted. But it was not to be. At least I took a few lenses with me for fun and for serious stuff. I don't regret anything I ever do, I don't understand anyone who does. If the shoe fits, wear it, and walk! :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2/6/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Perhaps. Although twenty years ago I couldn't afford it. By the time we earn enough to live somewhat decadently, we no longer have the energy or inclination. That's nature's way of making us older folk behave :-). Ain't *that* the truth! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Why choose *ist DL over Nikon or Canon competitors?
On 2/6/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: And then we have Dr. Friedrich Cotty Frankenstein... Thanks for the vote of confidence Peter...I think. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
