Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-05 Thread David Mann
On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:39 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

 And in order to
 minimize the system impedance so that I can make the most of the very
 low damping factor of my amps I run a short 1m length of old Supra
 10mm2 cable, it keeps the bass tight ;-)

I'm not sure what I'll be using for speaker cabling when I get my  
system done, but for the internal wiring within the speakers I  
splashed out and used litz.  Only because I was able to get the stuff  
mega cheap - where I worked we used the stuff by the kilometre and  
also had the odd engineering-sample roll lying around.  If it's good  
enough for multi-kilowatt power transformers running at hundreds of  
kHz, it'll be good enough for audio.

The downside of using litz is that it's a real pain to connect, as  
each strand is individually insulated (hundreds of them, hair-thin)  
so you can't just bunch the end into a binding post.  You have to  
thoroughly tin the ends using a high-temperature soldering iron then  
solder it to a connector.

To connect the amplifiers to the bass drivers I'll probably just use  
big fat generic cable but I think I have a couple of metres of litz  
left over so I might use that for the mids  tweeters, or maybe cat5  
if I don't have enough litz.  The mid  tweeter see very little power  
so they don't need a heavy-gauge wire.

I will be glad to get those pesky passive crossovers out of the way  
(see pics at the bottom of this page: all I've changed in the past  
two years are some resistor values to tweak the padding):
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/speaker2/

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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread Brian Walters

... and on that note (in case any still haven't seen it):


http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html


Cheers

Brian

++
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Western Sydney Australia


Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Toine wrote:
 
  My latest enablement is a F135/2.8 unfortunately with lots of  
  fungus inside.
  Has anyone hands-on experience with disassembling a F135/2.8
 lens?
 
 Use a hammer.  Do it outside to prevent the fungus from spreading 
 
 into your other equipment.
 
 - Dave

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-05 Thread David Mann
On Jan 4, 2007, at 4:00 AM, graywolf wrote:

 You, know what? That is exactly what I said when stereo came out.  
 Truth
 be known, I still would rather have a good mono system.

I'd settle for Tori Amos in my living room.

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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread Toine
Yes, very funny...

On 1/5/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ... and on that note (in case any still haven't seen it):


 http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html


 Cheers

 Brian

 ++
 Brian Walters
 Western Sydney Australia


 Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Toine wrote:
 
   My latest enablement is a F135/2.8 unfortunately with lots of
   fungus inside.
   Has anyone hands-on experience with disassembling a F135/2.8
  lens?
 
  Use a hammer.  Do it outside to prevent the fungus from spreading
 
  into your other equipment.
 
  - Dave

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RE: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread Henk Terhell
I was considering buying a Pentax P-TTL flash because my good old Metz
32MZ-3, working so fine in TTL-mode with the *istD, let me down now with
the K10D. In A-mode this flash unit is working OK with the K10D, but
that is really a step down in technical progress and needs more
attention. Your message has changed my mind on switching to one of both
Pentax P-TTL flashes. Perhaps Metz will come out with some upgrade
sooner or later. All I want is just TTL.

Henk
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Subject: Re: K10D with AF540FGZ


Thanks for that reply mate.

I find it annoying that it doesn't expose correctly in p-ttl and with
the 
camera in auto mode.  Surely that is the basic requirement for them to
get 
right?  Oh well, I'll just keep dialling in flash compensation or
exposure 
compensation on the camera...at least it's easy enough to do.
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Re: Giveaway Thursday

2007-01-05 Thread mike wilson
Just been doing some pricing for another lister on some books.  It would cost 
you no more than £25.  Probably about half.  Without the outer casing and plug 
in mains cable (240V), it weighs about 2.5kg.

Prices here:
http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=400037mediaId=400393


Internet-quality warranty..

 
 From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/05 Fri AM 07:12:50 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Giveaway Thursday
 
 On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:10 AM, mike wilson wrote:
 
  Also, one PCB etching tank.  Big enough to do your own motherboard,  
  if you have the intestinal fortitude.  Same deal as above.
 
 I need one of those, but I suspect it'll be cheaper for me to buy one  
 locally.
 
 Or I could use the Mrs' new fish tank... on second thought I think  
 I'd rather live.
 
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Re: style change

2007-01-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/04 Thu PM 10:42:33 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: style change
 
 On 4/1/07, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Some likes straps, some don't, and some adapt. 
 
 Bob W like straps.
 

Reins don't count.


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Re: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)

2007-01-05 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm happy, my birthday being tomorrow the fifth january it is a quite
 nice present I offer to myself :D

Joyeux anniversaire. :-)

Ralf

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Re: K10D RTF, SR, noise...

2007-01-05 Thread Thibouille
Well I knew I could do FEC with the D but in fact you'd beter know
what you do because it isn't clear *at all* that you do FEC or usual
Exposure Compensation. Of course manual is pretty silent on this (for
the D I mean).

Very nice :)

2007/1/5, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 * I noticed the RTF flash can be used in 2nd-curtain sync. That's
 pretty cool. I don't remember it was possible with the D.

 * VERY obvious to know how to set a Flash exposure compensation. First
 time I see Pentax promoting this feature.

 Yes, it is good to have for the rtf flash. The PZ-1p also had this.

 * When reviewing pictures and choosing info, there is nowhere a symbol
 to tell you SR wasused or not. A bit anoying IMO.

 * Shutter/mirror noise feels nicer to my ears than the D.

 Indeed it does.

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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread Toine
Maybe someone could give me some hints:

- Some screws are very difficult to remove. Does Pentax apply some
sort of glue? I read somewhere some screws need heating???
- The smallest philips screwdrivers in my toolkit are not small
enough. What size do I need? If have seen several items on ebay, no
idea if they fit better.
- I probably also need spanner wrenches again which sizes?

Thanks,

On 1/5/07, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, very funny...

 On 1/5/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ... and on that note (in case any still haven't seen it):
 
 
  http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html
 
 
  Cheers
 
  Brian
 
  ++
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  Western Sydney Australia
 
 
  Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Toine wrote:
  
My latest enablement is a F135/2.8 unfortunately with lots of
fungus inside.
Has anyone hands-on experience with disassembling a F135/2.8
   lens?
  
   Use a hammer.  Do it outside to prevent the fungus from spreading
  
   into your other equipment.
  
   - Dave
 
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Re: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)

2007-01-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
And a FA 1.4/50mm maybe too? ;-)

Happy birthday!

Dario


- Original Message - 
From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)


So here it is, guys ... I have it :D

Had to travel to Liège (fortunately my mother and her car were ready
so went there very quickly after being sure the seller would keep it
safely for me).

I paid a bit expensive 1069 for the K10D+18-55. I'd prefer not to pay
for the DA (I have it already) but after all, selling my D with the
previous 18-55 will be easier that way.

The battery was already charged so I played a bit in the car ;) I will
see for the grip. I quite like the idea but then how will I put my
K10D in my Slingshot 200AW... I wouldn't like to dismount the grip et
remount it 10 times per day

First impressions:

Well same as Photokina when I played with the prototype.
The AF dependingon the lens mounted if usually quite faster...
sometimes much much faster.

SR works well but didn't test it seriously yet. Still wondering about
the wheels settings...

Photos to follow soon (I hope).

I'm happy, my birthday being tomorrow the fifth january it is a quite
nice present I offer to myself :D


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Delkin pop-up lens shade for Pentax DSLR

2007-01-05 Thread David Bliss
Does anybody have any experience with Delkin's lens shades for the DS
or the DL (http://www.delkin.com/products/popupshades/)?  Do you have the
Pro or the Standard? How do you like it?  How does it attach (looks like
it slides over the viewfinder replacing the viewfinder eyecup and
everything is cantilevered from there?  Doesn't seem very stable/sturdy
-- is it?)

They don't have one for the K10D but I'm hoping they will.  I don't care
about the lens shade itself, although it's awfully cute, but I want the
LCD protection...

Thanks,
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Re: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)

2007-01-05 Thread Thibouille
Thanks to all, much appreciated :)

Well in fact I do have one. Its my brother's lens but I use it.

Now it bought a D some time ago so maybe I should buy one for me but
I'd like to know more about the coming DA35 (supposedly f/1.4) before
buying the FA (1.4 or 1.7).

I dunno I'm tempted but good lens are * expensive so I will try to
be careful. Money is quite limited but who knows what other crazy
things I could buy myself ;)

Thibault

2007/1/5, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 And a FA 1.4/50mm maybe too? ;-)

 Happy birthday!

 Dario


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 Subject: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)


 So here it is, guys ... I have it :D

 Had to travel to Liège (fortunately my mother and her car were ready
 so went there very quickly after being sure the seller would keep it
 safely for me).

 I paid a bit expensive 1069 for the K10D+18-55. I'd prefer not to pay
 for the DA (I have it already) but after all, selling my D with the
 previous 18-55 will be easier that way.

 The battery was already charged so I played a bit in the car ;) I will
 see for the grip. I quite like the idea but then how will I put my
 K10D in my Slingshot 200AW... I wouldn't like to dismount the grip et
 remount it 10 times per day

 First impressions:

 Well same as Photokina when I played with the prototype.
 The AF dependingon the lens mounted if usually quite faster...
 sometimes much much faster.

 SR works well but didn't test it seriously yet. Still wondering about
 the wheels settings...

 Photos to follow soon (I hope).

 I'm happy, my birthday being tomorrow the fifth january it is a quite
 nice present I offer to myself :D


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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread Thibouille
Well, you won't get just TTL with a K10D.

With a K10D you can use manual, auto or P-TTL. You will NEVER be able
to use TTL with a K10D, the camera does not support it.



2007/1/5, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I was considering buying a Pentax P-TTL flash because my good old Metz
 32MZ-3, working so fine in TTL-mode with the *istD, let me down now with
 the K10D. In A-mode this flash unit is working OK with the K10D, but
 that is really a step down in technical progress and needs more
 attention. Your message has changed my mind on switching to one of both
 Pentax P-TTL flashes. Perhaps Metz will come out with some upgrade
 sooner or later. All I want is just TTL.

 Henk
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 Sent: 05 January, 2007 1:23 AM
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 Subject: Re: K10D with AF540FGZ


 Thanks for that reply mate.

 I find it annoying that it doesn't expose correctly in p-ttl and with
 the
 camera in auto mode.  Surely that is the basic requirement for them to
 get
 right?  Oh well, I'll just keep dialling in flash compensation or
 exposure
 compensation on the camera...at least it's easy enough to do.
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Re: PESO - Jesus Rocks

2007-01-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
A well composed detail shot. Your muted reflection isn't a problem 
here, although you could easily clone out the area where your head 
rises above the other shadows.
Paul
On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:

 A guy at work wanted me to take a few pics of his Jeep for a video of
 his church's last trip to Moab.  I thought this one turned out to be
 pretty neat, I like the lines and colors.  You can see me, but I have
 not decided yet if that is good or bad.

 http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/IMGP2408.html

 Honest and brutal please!  (and thanks for looking)

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Re: Glimpse of DA*50-135? Tokina 50-135mm lens review

2007-01-05 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:35:32 -0500, K.Takeshita wrote:

 There aren't K mount
 versions of any of the shared designs.

That makes sense :-).

For the optics yes, however the Tokina has a tripod-collar
while the pentax is supposed tocome without one ...

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Re: K100D and raw converters

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote:

I'm using W2K All the power of WinXP, just as stable, No stupid 
Microsoft tricks.  (At least no more stupid Microsoft tricks than 
Win98).  It works well, with no muss or fuss.  A rarity in the high 
tech world.  Of course Adobe no longer writes software that 
supports it.

I wonder if there's any technical reason why Adobe can't make their new 
software run on Win2k of if they're deliberately making it so it 
*won't* run on that OS. From what I've experienced of Adobe I suspect 
the latter. I would be surprised if a sufficiently skilled hack could 
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RE: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread Henk Terhell
Well, that will be another reason to keep my *istD as backup. See also
the critical notes on the absence of support of TTL in the newer Pentax
models, and the underexposure of P-TTL of the K100D built-in flash in
the article by RiseHigh:
http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/K100D/RiceHighs_Pentax_K100D_Full_Revi
ew.html#P-TTL_Exposure_Accuracy

Henk


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Well, you won't get just TTL with a K10D.

With a K10D you can use manual, auto or P-TTL. You will NEVER be able to
use TTL with a K10D, the camera does not support it.



2007/1/5, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I was considering buying a Pentax P-TTL flash because my good old Metz

 32MZ-3, working so fine in TTL-mode with the *istD, let me down now 
 with the K10D. In A-mode this flash unit is working OK with the K10D, 
 but that is really a step down in technical progress and needs more 
 attention. Your message has changed my mind on switching to one of 
 both Pentax P-TTL flashes. Perhaps Metz will come out with some 
 upgrade sooner or later. All I want is just TTL.

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Re: FS: my *ist DS + DA18-55mm

2007-01-05 Thread David J Brooks
How did you find out it was fraudulent, Mike.

I have a few things to sell on ebay, i have never sold, only bought,  
and am wary of things like that.

Dave

Quoting Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Well, I thought I had sold this before the holidays, but the highest
 bidder was from a fraudulent account, and eBay cancelled my auction
 after it ended.  Too bad, also, because I was very happy with the $500
 that was bid.  Alas, it's up on the block again.

 Probably more for interest than anything on this list, I guess.

 http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180071322315


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Re: K100D and raw converters

2007-01-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I would be surprised if a sufficiently skilled hack could 
 make CS3 install on Win2k.

Or not 8-)


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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Henk Terhell 
Subject: RE: K10D with AF540FGZ


I was considering buying a Pentax P-TTL flash because my good old Metz
 32MZ-3, working so fine in TTL-mode with the *istD, let me down now with
 the K10D. In A-mode this flash unit is working OK with the K10D, but
 that is really a step down in technical progress and needs more
 attention. Your message has changed my mind on switching to one of both
 Pentax P-TTL flashes. Perhaps Metz will come out with some upgrade
 sooner or later. All I want is just TTL.

The K10 doesn't do TTL.
It's either P-TTL or autoflash.

William Robb

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Re: Glimpse of DA*50-135? Tokina 50-135mm lens review

2007-01-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Oh oh ... that doesn't sound very good ;-))

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Doug Franklin 


  I'll wait until the lens is
  released and see how it 
  performs on the camera. 
  Oh, foolish me 

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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 5, 2007, at 1:59, Brian Walters wrote:


 ... and on that note (in case any still haven't seen it):

 http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html


Isn't there a REAL fix for this?  I thought I'd read somewhere that  
leaving the lens exposed to UV light (like out in the sun) for a  
while also cleared up the yellowing...   Ouch.

  -Charles

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Re: Taking Pentax Gear to the Edge

2007-01-05 Thread ann sanfedele
Ah I was wondering what these things were...
I've seen two kids wearing them recently or something like them. 
 They were able to stop
easily by putting their feet down... or so it seemed.  The description 
of how to do it on the
web page was scarier than what appeared to be being done in person. 
 They looked
lots safer to me than roller skates or skate boards.  Were I 12 today 
I'm sure I would have
hoped for them.

ann

P. J. Alling wrote:

http://www.heelysdealer.co.uk/shoes.shtml

My questions are what mother would allow their child to wear something 
so obviously dangerous in this day of, (what I can only refer to as), 
Safety Nazism?  What tort lawyer isn't salivating just looking at 
these things?


mike wilson wrote:
  

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Indeed.  I have a friend who used to own a Big Healey 
  


Amazing. At a set of traffic lights today there was a fantastic example.
Haven't seen one in years, and there it was. And now you mention it.
theme tune for Outer Limits or whatever


  

There are modern replicas, which is what I would be driving on a winter's day.
http://www.hmcsportscars.com/index.html

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Re: Taking Pentax Gear to the Edge

2007-01-05 Thread ann sanfedele
Joe, after reading what Mike wrote looking at it in a brightly lit 
room it occured to me
it is my particular eye problem.  I'm always in a brightly lit room - I 
cant see otherwise :)

I keep every room in the apartment lit because my eyes can't adjust 
quickly enough
anymore.  but the brightness in the monitor is also down because i can't 
stand glare.
I also had not seen this post until just now --  I really couldnt make 
much out in the
photo at all.  Had no idea tehre was a car there until I read this. sigh

But it was sweet of you to shoot off another southwest shot for me. :)

ann

I haven't ahd a chance to look at list much

Joseph Tainter wrote:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21510186

Very good Hollywood moon effect.  I'm looking at it in a brightly lit 
room, so probably missing some, if not much, of the subtler detail.

Seven series Volvo and ??

-

Mike, to the left is my wife's 1967 Austin Healey Sprite, which isn't 
going anywhere for at least a few days. You guessed correctly about my 
1989 Volvo 740. The mound behind it is a 1987 Mazda B2000. Out of the 
scene is my wife's 1989 Isuzu Trooper, which was our only vehicle until 
I got the Volvo out yesterday. Welcome to the Tainters' Home for Wayward 
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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread P. J. Alling

 All I want is just TTL.
Too bad Pentax no longer includes the TTL sensor in the mirror box...


Henk Terhell wrote:
 I was considering buying a Pentax P-TTL flash because my good old Metz
 32MZ-3, working so fine in TTL-mode with the *istD, let me down now with
 the K10D. In A-mode this flash unit is working OK with the K10D, but
 that is really a step down in technical progress and needs more
 attention. Your message has changed my mind on switching to one of both
 Pentax P-TTL flashes. Perhaps Metz will come out with some upgrade
 sooner or later. All I want is just TTL.

 Henk
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 Sent: 05 January, 2007 1:23 AM
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 Subject: Re: K10D with AF540FGZ


 Thanks for that reply mate.

 I find it annoying that it doesn't expose correctly in p-ttl and with
 the 
 camera in auto mode.  Surely that is the basic requirement for them to
 get 
 right?  Oh well, I'll just keep dialling in flash compensation or
 exposure 
 compensation on the camera...at least it's easy enough to do.
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Re: Delkin pop-up lens shade for Pentax DSLR

2007-01-05 Thread Christian
David Bliss wrote:
 Does anybody have any experience with Delkin's lens shades for the DS
 or the DL (http://www.delkin.com/products/popupshades/)?  Do you have the
 Pro or the Standard? How do you like it?  How does it attach (looks like
 it slides over the viewfinder replacing the viewfinder eyecup and
 everything is cantilevered from there?  Doesn't seem very stable/sturdy
 -- is it?)
 
 They don't have one for the K10D but I'm hoping they will.  I don't care
 about the lens shade itself, although it's awfully cute, but I want the
 LCD protection...
 
 Thanks,
 david
 
 

I have one for my 20D.  It's actually pretty sturdy and does not 
interfere with the viewfinder at all.  I took it off after a few weeks 
because I realized I chimp way too much (mostly to verify exposure) and 
it was becoming a PITA to open and close it all the time.

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K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm debating with myself. 
I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. 

The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
afford both at the same time. 

I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? 

The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
insights on this?


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RE: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
Happy B-day.

Tim
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Sent: 4. januar 2007 20:53
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Subject: [Solved] Finding a K10D in Belgium (and first impressions)

So here it is, guys ... I have it :D

Had to travel to Liège (fortunately my mother and her car were ready
so went there very quickly after being sure the seller would keep it
safely for me).

I paid a bit expensive 1069 for the K10D+18-55. I'd prefer not to pay
for the DA (I have it already) but after all, selling my D with the
previous 18-55 will be easier that way.

The battery was already charged so I played a bit in the car ;) I will
see for the grip. I quite like the idea but then how will I put my
K10D in my Slingshot 200AW... I wouldn't like to dismount the grip et
remount it 10 times per day

First impressions:

Well same as Photokina when I played with the prototype.
The AF dependingon the lens mounted if usually quite faster...
sometimes much much faster.

SR works well but didn't test it seriously yet. Still wondering about
the wheels settings...

Photos to follow soon (I hope).

I'm happy, my birthday being tomorrow the fifth january it is a quite
nice present I offer to myself :D


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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread P. J. Alling
You need JIS drivers, they look like Phillips but aren't quite the same. 

Toine wrote:
 Maybe someone could give me some hints:

 - Some screws are very difficult to remove. Does Pentax apply some
 sort of glue? I read somewhere some screws need heating???
 - The smallest philips screwdrivers in my toolkit are not small
 enough. What size do I need? If have seen several items on ebay, no
 idea if they fit better.
 - I probably also need spanner wrenches again which sizes?

 Thanks,

 On 1/5/07, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Yes, very funny...

 On 1/5/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ... and on that note (in case any still haven't seen it):


 http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html


 Cheers

 Brian

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 Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Toine wrote:

 
 My latest enablement is a F135/2.8 unfortunately with lots of
 fungus inside.
 Has anyone hands-on experience with disassembling a F135/2.8
   
 lens?

 Use a hammer.  Do it outside to prevent the fungus from spreading

 into your other equipment.

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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
I can't comment on the K10D  DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the
DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the
K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of
the K10D.

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/6/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm debating with myself.
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use.

 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
 afford both at the same time.

 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later?

 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
On 1/6/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  All I want is just TTL.
 Too bad Pentax no longer includes the TTL sensor in the mirror box...

Considering how hit and miss it was on the D, it's not much of a loss IMO.

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Re: FS: my *ist DS + DA18-55mm

2007-01-05 Thread Mike Hamilton
On 1/5/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How did you find out it was fraudulent, Mike.

 I have a few things to sell on ebay, i have never sold, only bought,
 and am wary of things like that.

The winning bidder contacted me and explained that he was travelling
at the moment and wanted me to send the camera to a different location
than was listed on his eBay account (which was from the UK).  He
wanted me to send the camera to Nigeria (instant flag!), and sent a
fake PayPal receipt to me for $100 extra for my troubles.  I
immediately contacted PayPal to verify that it was fraudulent, then I
did the same to eBay.

Unfortunately, i was unable to offer it as a Second Chance to any
other bidders because eBay closed my auction.  :(

It was very obvious to me that the bidder was fraudulent.  Nigeria was
the biggest red flag.

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Re: FS: my *ist DS + DA18-55mm

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
On 1/6/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It was very obvious to me that the bidder was fraudulent.  Nigeria was
 the biggest red flag.

You might enjoy this:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/security/taunting-the-scammers/2007/01/03/116132030.html

http://forum.scambaits.com/showthread.php?t=2772

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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread pnstenquist
I've found the autofocus performance of the DA 50-200 to be quite good, even in 
continuous mode. I shot a bunch of pics of my granddaughter running around the 
yard with this combo last week. As a bit of a test I also shot a car driving 
down the street and a bicyclist approaching. The camera was able to focus in 
all these instances. However, I would add that while this would probably be a 
good lens for soccer (if you're standing on the sidelines), it's too short for 
shooting birds in flight. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I'm debating with myself. 
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. 
 
 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
 afford both at the same time. 
 
 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? 
 
 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?
 
 
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Re: K100D and raw converters

2007-01-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Supposedly Microsoft has exposed more OS features through the API in 
WinXP.  I don't know for sure, I haven't bothered to delve that deeply 
in a very long time. I  could try, I suppose to get newer  Adobe 
products to work on W2K, but I'd need newer Adobe Products, and a test 
machine, (which I don't have presently), in case I screwed something up 
seriously.

Mark Roberts wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:

   
 I'm using W2K All the power of WinXP, just as stable, No stupid 
 Microsoft tricks.  (At least no more stupid Microsoft tricks than 
 Win98).  It works well, with no muss or fuss.  A rarity in the high 
 tech world.  Of course Adobe no longer writes software that 
 supports it.
 

 I wonder if there's any technical reason why Adobe can't make their new 
 software run on Win2k of if they're deliberately making it so it 
 *won't* run on that OS. From what I've experienced of Adobe I suspect 
 the latter. I would be surprised if a sufficiently skilled hack could 
 make CS3 install on Win2k.


   


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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread P. J. Alling
It worked quite a bit better on the Ds.

David Savage wrote:
 On 1/6/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 All I want is just TTL.
   
 Too bad Pentax no longer includes the TTL sensor in the mirror box...
 

 Considering how hit and miss it was on the D, it's not much of a loss IMO.

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Re: FS: my *ist DS + DA18-55mm

2007-01-05 Thread Mike Hamilton
Heh, something similar had crossed my mind.  I've read of other
scambaiters.  I love it.

Mike

On 1/5/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/6/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It was very obvious to me that the bidder was fraudulent.  Nigeria was
  the biggest red flag.

 You might enjoy this:

 http://www.smh.com.au/news/security/taunting-the-scammers/2007/01/03/116132030.html

 http://forum.scambaits.com/showthread.php?t=2772

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RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thank you Paul. 
When praising the DA 50-200 you talking about AF performance at the K10,
don't you? I assume you haven’t tried it on the DS. Any others who has
compared directly DS vs. K10?

The field at this event is smaller than a regular soccer field. So the tempo
is high. Shooting a good team isn't very hard, but the bad one is a lot
harder because next move is harder to predict. There is no rhythm in bad
soccer. 

When speaking of birds in flight I was thinking of fed seagulls and similar
objects. Not Lucy in the sky (far out) birds, maaan ;-)


Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 5. januar 2007 17:15
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Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

I've found the autofocus performance of the DA 50-200 to be quite good, even
in continuous mode. I shot a bunch of pics of my granddaughter running
around the yard with this combo last week. As a bit of a test I also shot a
car driving down the street and a bicyclist approaching. The camera was able
to focus in all these instances. However, I would add that while this would
probably be a good lens for soccer (if you're standing on the sidelines),
it's too short for shooting birds in flight. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I'm debating with myself. 
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. 
 
 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA*
60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I
can't
 afford both at the same time. 
 
 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low,
to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and
use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? 
 
 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict.
In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?
 
 
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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Thibouille
I only played a bit with this combo as I only got my K10D yesterday
but AF is at least quite a bit beter than on my ist-D.

I play a bit with it tonight in interior and I let you know if I come
to any conclusion.

2007/1/5, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm debating with myself.
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use.

 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
 afford both at the same time.

 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later?

 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?


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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Exposure to high levels of UV light seems to cure this problem.  It was 
discussed in detail some months ago in this forum.

Charles Robinson wrote:
 On Jan 5, 2007, at 1:59, Brian Walters wrote:

   
 ... and on that note (in case any still haven't seen it):

 http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html

 

 Isn't there a REAL fix for this?  I thought I'd read somewhere that  
 leaving the lens exposed to UV light (like out in the sun) for a  
 while also cleared up the yellowing...   Ouch.

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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Ricehigh is an annoying person, even when I might agree with him.  The 
rest of the time he is best ignored.

Henk Terhell wrote:
 Well, that will be another reason to keep my *istD as backup. See also
 the critical notes on the absence of support of TTL in the newer Pentax
 models, and the underexposure of P-TTL of the K100D built-in flash in
 the article by RiseHigh:
 http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/K100D/RiceHighs_Pentax_K100D_Full_Revi
 ew.html#P-TTL_Exposure_Accuracy

 Henk


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 Well, you won't get just TTL with a K10D.

 With a K10D you can use manual, auto or P-TTL. You will NEVER be able to
 use TTL with a K10D, the camera does not support it.



 2007/1/5, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 I was considering buying a Pentax P-TTL flash because my good old Metz
 

   
 32MZ-3, working so fine in TTL-mode with the *istD, let me down now 
 with the K10D. In A-mode this flash unit is working OK with the K10D, 
 but that is really a step down in technical progress and needs more 
 attention. Your message has changed my mind on switching to one of 
 both Pentax P-TTL flashes. Perhaps Metz will come out with some 
 upgrade sooner or later. All I want is just TTL.

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RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
That would be splendid.



Tim
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Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

I only played a bit with this combo as I only got my K10D yesterday
but AF is at least quite a bit beter than on my ist-D.

I play a bit with it tonight in interior and I let you know if I come
to any conclusion.

2007/1/5, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm debating with myself.
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use.

 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA*
60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I
can't
 afford both at the same time.

 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low,
to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and
use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later?

 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict.
In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?


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Re: Glimpse of DA*50-135? Tokina 50-135mm lens review

2007-01-05 Thread Joseph Tainter
Of course. But I'm quite confident that it will be a good one. When
was the last time Pentax released a premium lens that wasn't top
shelf? Yet, we're going to spiral into another list panic because of
a post on a chinese site of pics that allegedly came from a Tokina
lens. How absurd.
Paul

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Tokina's version of the same lens. I have seen the difference ascribed 
to manufacturing quality control. So the performance of the Tokina 
50-135 is a hint of what is coming for us, but not a definite indicator. 
Pentax's version may well perform better.

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Re: Peso: An Old Friend

2007-01-05 Thread Brendan MacRae
Nice portrait. I like the shallow DOF.

-Brendan
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Enablement, but i have to wait for it.

2007-01-05 Thread David J Brooks
After looking at the DA 70 and 77Ltd test link, i went ahead and  
ordered the 77Ltd.

Now i wait.:-)

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Re: PeSo - Spring Ravine

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
I've looked at this quite a bit.  There is a shot in there somewhere,
but I haven't quite found it.  As it stands, it's not quite there.
The busyness of the tree branches combined with some color keep
fighting for my attention - maybe that is the issue, nothing reaches
out and grabs me.  Certainly a scene that warrants a bunch more
exploring to see what you can really come up with.

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TC http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5386733



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Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread Gonz
I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W. Hamler's recent Hot Dog 
Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.

My question is related to its fishiness.  I've heard that the lens is a 
fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you head towards 17mm, so 
that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone have any experience 
that could confirm/disprove this?

Thanks,

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PESO - Winter scene

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Taken in Utah very late in the day.  The sky was hazed over and the
sun was starting on the way down.  This allowed for very soft light to
record the shadows in the snow.  It is delicate, but I like it.

Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld
ISO 100, 1/90 sec @ f/9.5

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/snow2006_45.htm

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

 I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W. Hamler's recent Hot Dog 
 Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.
 
 My question is related to its fishiness.  I've heard that the lens is a 
 fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you head towards 17mm, so 
 that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone have any experience 
 that could confirm/disprove this?

I've 17-28 FishEye zoom lens. On full frame it is very FE at 17 mm and 
slightly curved at 28 mm. It never becomes rectilinear. I would suspect 
that 10-17 behaves more or less the same way.

Just my pixels...

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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

On 1/6/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  All I want is just TTL.
 Too bad Pentax no longer includes the TTL sensor in the mirror box...

Considering how hit and miss it was on the D, it's not much of a loss 
IMO.

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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread John Francis

I rather doubt that the 60-250 will be available in six-seven months.
In any case, if you want to rely on auto-focus, you should get the
K10D - with the more powerful focus motor it will operate faster than
any of the earlier models, even before the DA* SDM lenses come along.

I've shot kid's soccer with the *ist-D and the FA* 80-200; most of
the time that's enough reach, although when you need more I doubt
that the difference between 200 and 250 would be enough.  And if
you get the K10D you can crop to the center 6MP, which will give
you the same AOV as a 260mm lens :-)


On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 04:59:25PM +0100, Tim ?sleby wrote:
 I'm debating with myself. 
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. 
 
 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
 afford both at the same time. 
 
 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? 
 
 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?
 
 
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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread John Francis

I think (and hope) that's a bit of an overestimate.
I'd guess that 2x the (current) price of the K10D is
the upper end of the price range, and it may even end
up just a little cheaper than that.  After all, the
FA* 80-200/f2.8 (with a larger front element than a
60-250/f4) didn't cost that much.


On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 01:12:38AM +0900, David Savage wrote:
 I can't comment on the K10D  DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the
 DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the
 K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of
 the K10D.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
 On 1/6/07, Tim ?sleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm debating with myself.
  I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
  tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use.
 
  The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
  In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
  afford both at the same time.
 
  I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
  tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
  low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
  it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later?
 
  The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
  other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
  wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
  insights on this?
 
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Re: Disassembling a F135/2.8

2007-01-05 Thread Bob Shell
They're more commonly called crosspoint or cross point.  They are  
just like Phillips, but not pointed on the end.  You can convert  
Phillips to crosspoint by filing the point off the tip.  But the  
drivers are far from rare.  Radio Shack and Wal-Mart both sell sets  
of cheap ones.

Bob

On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 You need JIS drivers, they look like Phillips but aren't quite the  
 same.

 Toine wrote:
 Maybe someone could give me some hints:

 - Some screws are very difficult to remove. Does Pentax apply some
 sort of glue? I read somewhere some screws need heating???
 - The smallest philips screwdrivers in my toolkit are not small
 enough. What size do I need? If have seen several items on ebay, no
 idea if they fit better.
 - I probably also need spanner wrenches again which sizes?

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Re: Winter's finger

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Thanks, Jens.  The surrounding is water - a small river, to be exact.

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Thursday, January 4, 2007, 12:31:11 PM, you wrote:

JB Extreemely beautiful, Bruce.
JB Is this water or ice beside the log?
JB Regards

JB Jens Bladt
JB Nytarkort / Greeting Card:
JB http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html

JB http://www.jensbladt.dk
JB +45 56 63 77 11
JB +45 23 43 85 77
JB Skype: jensbladt248

JB -Oprindelig meddelelse-
JB Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Bruce
JB Dayton
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JB Taken on a recent outing in Utah.  They do have snow there.

JB Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld
JB ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/11

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Re: Glimpse of DA*50-135? Tokina 50-135mm lens review

2007-01-05 Thread Joseph Tainter
Of course. But I'm quite confident that it will be a good one. When
was the last time Pentax released a premium lens that wasn't top
shelf? Yet, we're going to spiral into another list panic because of
a post on a chinese site of pics that allegedly came from a Tokina
lens. How absurd.
Paul

-

The DA lenses that I have are top knotch. Pentax hasn't missed on any of 
them. If I have the money on hand, I will buy the DA* 16-50 F2.8 as soon 
as it is available. I may get the 50-135, but that will partly depend on 
its weight.

For my needs, Pentax flubs a few things on camera bodies, but I trust 
their designs on premium DA lenses. Pentax seems finally to understand 
that many of us want lenses that are useable wide open.

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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Joseph Tainter
So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
it on my DS.

-

Tim, we don't know yet whether DA* lenses will autofocus with bodies 
prior to the K10D. The first DA* lenses are due to be issued in March. 
We should know then.

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Re: PESO - Jesus Rocks

2007-01-05 Thread frank theriault
On 1/4/07, Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A guy at work wanted me to take a few pics of his Jeep for a video of
 his church's last trip to Moab.  I thought this one turned out to be
 pretty neat, I like the lines and colors.  You can see me, but I have
 not decided yet if that is good or bad.

 http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/IMGP2408.html

 Honest and brutal please!  (and thanks for looking)

Brutally and honestly:

I like it!

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OT: Cat's cameras

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
This from DPReview Pentax Forum:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21544366

LOL

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Re: K10D gallery

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Doug,

Nice goof around.  Amaryllis 1 and Texture stand out as striking
photos.  I would love to see them a little larger.

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Thursday, January 4, 2007, 11:03:01 AM, you wrote:

DB Hi Kids,

DB Been goofing around with the K10D and thought I'd show a few examples.
DB Nothing earth-shattering, just more evidence that I like captive subjects.

DB Anyway:

DB http://photos.drivingtheflies.com/

DB Enjoy, and one day I'll determine how to change the background color for
DB the gallery page.

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Re: K10D gallery

2007-01-05 Thread Doug Brewer
Thanks for the compliments, folks. I'm growing impressed with the 
camera. All of the color shots were straight JPEG's, only duped and 
resized, while the b/w were dupes of the DNGs, rendered with a channel 
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Re: K10D with AF540FGZ

2007-01-05 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:43:21PM +0100, Henk Terhell wrote:
 Well, that will be another reason to keep my *istD as backup. See also
 the critical notes on the absence of support of TTL in the newer Pentax
 models, and the underexposure of P-TTL of the K100D built-in flash in
 the article by RiseHigh:
 http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/K100D/RiceHighs_Pentax_K100D_Full_Revi
 ew.html#P-TTL_Exposure_Accuracy
 
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Re: K100D and raw converters

2007-01-05 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 07:55:31AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:
 
 I'm using W2K All the power of WinXP, just as stable, No stupid 
 Microsoft tricks.  (At least no more stupid Microsoft tricks than 
 Win98).  It works well, with no muss or fuss.  A rarity in the high 
 tech world.  Of course Adobe no longer writes software that 
 supports it.
 
 I wonder if there's any technical reason why Adobe can't make their new 
 software run on Win2k of if they're deliberately making it so it 
 *won't* run on that OS. From what I've experienced of Adobe I suspect 
 the latter. I would be surprised if a sufficiently skilled hack could 
 make CS3 install on Win2k.

Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by ignorance

I doubt if Adobe deliberately try to prevent CS from running on Win2K.
But, equally, I doubt if they see Win2K as a large enough potential
market to make it worthwhile developing for (and testing on) that
platform; most of their target (Windows) audience probably runs XP.
There are several things, particularly in the graphics driver area,
that make XP a more attractive platform for media-oriented software.
I wouldn't be surprised to find Adobe making use of one of those APIs;
if that means the product doesn't run on Win2K then so be it.
But that's really a side effect, not a deliberate goal.

I wouldn't be too astonished to find that even support for XP goes away
fairly fast, too - there's some interesting stuff in the Direct X 10
APIs, but those won't be available on XP.  It rather depends on how
fast Vista begins to dominate the desktop (or at least the high end
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Re: PESO - Breaking through

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Thanks, Dave.

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Thursday, January 4, 2007, 3:14:01 PM, you wrote:

DJB Very dramatic

DJB Dave

DJB Quoting Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I was taking an early morning walk while in Utah (brisk 20 degrees)
 and was able to capture this plane just before it went over the
 mountain.  The trail lit up and seeming to burst from the cloud are
 what really caught my attention.

 Pentax K10D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro, Handheld
 ISO 200, 1/350 sec @ f/11

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4198a.htm

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
By 17mm the distortion is pretty much non-existent.

Here are a couple of examples of mine (taken in the exact same position):

10mm

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5146_1.jpg

17mm

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5149.jpg

HTH

Dave


On 1/6/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W. Hamler's recent Hot Dog
 Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.

 My question is related to its fishiness.  I've heard that the lens is a
 fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you head towards 17mm, so
 that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone have any experience
 that could confirm/disprove this?

 Thanks,

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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-05 Thread Norm Baugher
I second that one...
Norm

Kenneth Waller wrote:
 When in the Navy, as a Sr. corpsman,.
 

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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Tim Øsleby wrote:
 I'm debating with myself. 
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. 
 
 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't
 afford both at the same time. 
 
 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? 
 
 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?

Tim, you're asking very difficult question. Here are some considerations 
that come to my mind. Could be some of them are incorrect, so please 
read what I am going to write with critical mind.

1. K10D has very fast AF. I think that it is *way* faster than *istD. I 
have observed that many times K10D would report that *more than one* AF 
sensor is in focus (red light), while *istD only reports one sensor. 
This I think is significant.

2. I don't have 50-200 but I had 70-210 and now have 80-200/4.7-5.6. I 
couldn't try 70-210 with K10D, 'cause the lens is broken, but 80-200 
focuses good and fast. However, at least several times in indoors light 
the AF hunted.

3. I generally tend to believe that the less the throw from closest 
focus to infinity the more rapid is AF process. It simply takes less 
time to rotate the lens. Older tele zooms that I own have rather big 
focus throw.

4. I've been shooting game of basketball few times with *istD and FA 
50/1.7. It were my co-workers playing so that I could physically come 
very close to them. I've set my *istD to continuous AF and I don't 
remember missing even a single shot due to AF problems.

These are just considerations that popped in my mind. I dare not make 
any conclusions from these. So, it will have to be you, Tim ;-).

HTH.

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Re: Enablement, but i have to wait for it.

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
On 1/6/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After looking at the DA 70 and 77Ltd test link, i went ahead and
 ordered the 77Ltd.

Congrats, you'll no doubt love it.

 Now i wait.:-)

Always the toughest part. :-)

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Re: FS: my *ist DS + DA18-55mm

2007-01-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/1/07, Mike Hamilton, discombobulated, unleashed:

Heh, something similar had crossed my mind.  I've read of other
scambaiters.  I love it.


You may or may not know of this classic:

http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

Brilliant story in itself.

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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
I hope I'm way off.

Dave

On 1/6/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think (and hope) that's a bit of an overestimate.
 I'd guess that 2x the (current) price of the K10D is
 the upper end of the price range, and it may even end
 up just a little cheaper than that.  After all, the
 FA* 80-200/f2.8 (with a larger front element than a
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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread Rick Womer
Well, I disagree with Dave.  The lens is still quite
fishy at 17mm, and if you look at the curvature in
the buildings, trees, and road in the second pic, you
can see it easily.

It's a great lens.  I enjoyed the 17-28 so much on my
(P)Z-1p that I asked for the 10-17 for my birthday,
and got it.  Much fun.

Rick


--- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 By 17mm the distortion is pretty much non-existent.
 
 Here are a couple of examples of mine (taken in the
 exact same position):
 
 10mm
 

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5146_1.jpg
 
 17mm
 

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5149.jpg
 
 HTH
 
 Dave
 
 
 On 1/6/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W.
 Hamler's recent Hot Dog
  Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.
 
  My question is related to its fishiness.  I've
 heard that the lens is a
  fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you
 head towards 17mm, so
  that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone
 have any experience
  that could confirm/disprove this?
 
  Thanks,
 
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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-05 Thread pnstenquist
A third from here.
Paul
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Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:12:38 +0900, David Savage wrote:

I can't comment on the K10D  DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the
DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the
K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of
the K10D.

Hmm, perhaps ...

However, I saw an advertized price on the Tokina 50-135mm f/2.8
of less than 600 Euro (about 700 US dollars) which is than I expected.

The Pentax will probably be more expensive due to
the sealing, but by how much is hard to say ...

And of course the 60-250 f/4 is a bit more expensive still.

I am hoping for a price between 1000 and 1500 Euros for the 60-250mm

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
I can see a slight amount in the tree  building but none in the road.

I think I picked a bad example. I've just gone and searched through my 
archive for another shot at 17mm and it displays obvious fishiness. So 
I'm withdrawing my pretty much non-existent comment. Funnily enough 
almost all the shots I've made with this lens have been taken at the 10mm FL.

Cheers,

Dave

At 03:40 AM 6/01/2007, Rick Womer  wrote:
Well, I disagree with Dave.  The lens is still quite
fishy at 17mm, and if you look at the curvature in
the buildings, trees, and road in the second pic, you
can see it easily.

It's a great lens.  I enjoyed the 17-28 so much on my
(P)Z-1p that I asked for the 10-17 for my birthday,
and got it.  Much fun.

Rick


--- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  By 17mm the distortion is pretty much non-existent.
 
  Here are a couple of examples of mine (taken in the
  exact same position):
 
  10mm
 
 
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5146_1.jpg
 
  17mm
 
 
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5149.jpg
 
  HTH
 
  Dave
 
 
  On 1/6/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W.
  Hamler's recent Hot Dog
   Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.
  
   My question is related to its fishiness.  I've
  heard that the lens is a
   fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you
  head towards 17mm, so
   that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone
  have any experience
   that could confirm/disprove this?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Gonz


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Re: Sensor Cleaning

2007-01-05 Thread Perry Pellechia
I just came across an article/press release on this interesting new
product for DSLR sensor cleaning.  Seem like a simple approach.

http://www.dust-aid.com/

It uses low adhesive tape to remove dust off the sensor.  As a
chemist, I am not sure about the FT-IR method for judging that no
contamination of the surface occurs.  However, even if there is trace
residue of the adhesive after repeated cleanings, the solvent based
methods of sensor cleaning should handle it.

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Re: OT: Velvia available again

2007-01-05 Thread Tom C
That's good.  To tell the truth I was unaware Velvia was not available. I do 
have quite a bit of 220 and 135 in the freezer.

What was the cause of it's unavailability and then reappearance?

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Tom!(?)

J
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Re: PESO - Winter scene

2007-01-05 Thread Jack Davis
Nice soft lighting. Weed stalk placement is ideal.
The tracked snow and dark piece of something, however, seem out of
place and substantially detract from the total scene. IMO

Jack
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 Taken in Utah very late in the day.  The sky was hazed over and the
 sun was starting on the way down.  This allowed for very soft light
 to
 record the shadows in the snow.  It is delicate, but I like it.
 
 Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld
 ISO 100, 1/90 sec @ f/9.5
 
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/snow2006_45.htm
 
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Re: OT: Velvia available again

2007-01-05 Thread Jack Davis
Fuji ran short of gag hues for awhile. Now being re-supplied by Tacky
Tones International.

Jack
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's good.  To tell the truth I was unaware Velvia was not
 available. I do 
 have quite a bit of 220 and 135 in the freezer.
 
 What was the cause of it's unavailability and then reappearance?
 
 Tom C.
 
 
 
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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread Gonz
Makes you wish you had that prototype 8mm fisheye that never made it to 
market huh?

rg


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 I can see a slight amount in the tree  building but none in the road.
 
 I think I picked a bad example. I've just gone and searched through my 
 archive for another shot at 17mm and it displays obvious fishiness. So 
 I'm withdrawing my pretty much non-existent comment. Funnily enough 
 almost all the shots I've made with this lens have been taken at the 10mm FL.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
 At 03:40 AM 6/01/2007, Rick Womer  wrote:
 
Well, I disagree with Dave.  The lens is still quite
fishy at 17mm, and if you look at the curvature in
the buildings, trees, and road in the second pic, you
can see it easily.

It's a great lens.  I enjoyed the 17-28 so much on my
(P)Z-1p that I asked for the 10-17 for my birthday,
and got it.  Much fun.

Rick


--- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


By 17mm the distortion is pretty much non-existent.

Here are a couple of examples of mine (taken in the
exact same position):

10mm



http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5146_1.jpg

17mm



http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5149.jpg

HTH

Dave


On 1/6/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W.

Hamler's recent Hot Dog

Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.

My question is related to its fishiness.  I've

heard that the lens is a

fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you

head towards 17mm, so

that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone

have any experience

that could confirm/disprove this?

Thanks,

Gonz
 
 
 

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Pentax advertising at World Juniors.

2007-01-05 Thread Dave Kennedy
Anyone notice that Pentax has their name behind the net at the world
Junior Hockey Championships?

I was surprised to see it there.

(end of first, Canada 3, Russia 0)

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
Here is another shot @ 17mm:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5211.jpg

Dave

On 1/6/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can see a slight amount in the tree  building but none in the road.

 I think I picked a bad example. I've just gone and searched through my
 archive for another shot at 17mm and it displays obvious fishiness. So
 I'm withdrawing my pretty much non-existent comment. Funnily enough
 almost all the shots I've made with this lens have been taken at the 10mm FL.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 At 03:40 AM 6/01/2007, Rick Womer  wrote:
 Well, I disagree with Dave.  The lens is still quite
 fishy at 17mm, and if you look at the curvature in
 the buildings, trees, and road in the second pic, you
 can see it easily.
 
 It's a great lens.  I enjoyed the 17-28 so much on my
 (P)Z-1p that I asked for the 10-17 for my birthday,
 and got it.  Much fun.
 
 Rick
 
 
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   10mm
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5146_1.jpg
  
   17mm
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5149.jpg

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RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
If the questions where easy I wouldn't ask the list ;-)

So far it sounds like the 50-200 will do. 


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Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

Hi!

Tim Øsleby wrote:
 I'm debating with myself. 
 I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF
 tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. 
 
 The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA*
60-250.
 In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I
can't
 afford both at the same time. 
 
 I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer
 tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low,
to
 low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and
use
 it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? 
 
 The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict.
In
 other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm
 wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some
 insights on this?

Tim, you're asking very difficult question. Here are some considerations 
that come to my mind. Could be some of them are incorrect, so please 
read what I am going to write with critical mind.

1. K10D has very fast AF. I think that it is *way* faster than *istD. I 
have observed that many times K10D would report that *more than one* AF 
sensor is in focus (red light), while *istD only reports one sensor. 
This I think is significant.

2. I don't have 50-200 but I had 70-210 and now have 80-200/4.7-5.6. I 
couldn't try 70-210 with K10D, 'cause the lens is broken, but 80-200 
focuses good and fast. However, at least several times in indoors light 
the AF hunted.

3. I generally tend to believe that the less the throw from closest 
focus to infinity the more rapid is AF process. It simply takes less 
time to rotate the lens. Older tele zooms that I own have rather big 
focus throw.

4. I've been shooting game of basketball few times with *istD and FA 
50/1.7. It were my co-workers playing so that I could physically come 
very close to them. I've set my *istD to continuous AF and I don't 
remember missing even a single shot due to AF problems.

These are just considerations that popped in my mind. I dare not make 
any conclusions from these. So, it will have to be you, Tim ;-).

HTH.

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread Gonz
Thanks Dave.  I dont see much distortion at 17mm, but its hard to tell 
since there are not many lines to allow a clear conclusion.

rg


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 By 17mm the distortion is pretty much non-existent.
 
 Here are a couple of examples of mine (taken in the exact same position):
 
 10mm
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5146_1.jpg
 
 17mm
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/IMGP5149.jpg
 
 HTH
 
 Dave
 
 
 On 1/6/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W. Hamler's recent Hot Dog
Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.

My question is related to its fishiness.  I've heard that the lens is a
fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you head towards 17mm, so
that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone have any experience
that could confirm/disprove this?

Thanks,

Gonz
 
 

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Re: PeSo - Spring Ravine

2007-01-05 Thread Tom C
Hi Bruce.

Thanks for the comment.  I have been waffling on this one.  Somedays I look 
at it and really like it.  Other times it just sits there and looks at me. 
:-)

The white tree branches against the soft muted colors is what generally made 
me look at the scene to begin with.  There's probably not much more there, 
except possibly being there when the light is just right.


Tom C.



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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:24:12 -0800

I've looked at this quite a bit.  There is a shot in there somewhere,
but I haven't quite found it.  As it stands, it's not quite there.
The busyness of the tree branches combined with some color keep
fighting for my attention - maybe that is the issue, nothing reaches
out and grabs me.  Certainly a scene that warrants a bunch more
exploring to see what you can really come up with.

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TC http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5386733



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Re: OT: Occupations?

2007-01-05 Thread keith_w
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 A third from here.
 Paul
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 I second that one...
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RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm not asking about AF performance of the unexisting lens. But if the
wisdom of the list tells me that the AF performance 50-200 is adequate for
my soccer needs, I could probably live with that until I have founds needed
to buy the DA*. 


Tim
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So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use
it on my DS.

-

Tim, we don't know yet whether DA* lenses will autofocus with bodies 
prior to the K10D. The first DA* lenses are due to be issued in March. 
We should know then.

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RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance

2007-01-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
I don't see why a 60-250/4 should be a lot more expensive than a 50-135/2,8.
I expect the price to be above 50-135/2,8, but not much. Something like 800
Euro vs 1000 Euro. 

But this is speculation from a hopelessly optimistic mind ;-)


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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:12:38 +0900, David Savage wrote:

I can't comment on the K10D  DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the
DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the
K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of
the K10D.

Hmm, perhaps ...

However, I saw an advertized price on the Tokina 50-135mm f/2.8
of less than 600 Euro (about 700 US dollars) which is than I expected.

The Pentax will probably be more expensive due to
the sealing, but by how much is hard to say ...

And of course the 60-250 f/4 is a bit more expensive still.

I am hoping for a price between 1000 and 1500 Euros for the 60-250mm

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
I got the lens for a specific project that ended up not happening.
(360 degree QT VR panos of a ship's interior).

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Pentax advertising at World Juniors.

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
That would be field hockey right?

Dave ;-)

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Re: PESO - Jesus Rocks

2007-01-05 Thread David Savage
I like it, but I agree with Kenneth that black strip detracts.

Also maybe try a levels adjustment to make the whites more white, and
give the colours a bit more kick.

Cheers,

Dave

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  his church's last trip to Moab.  I thought this one turned out to be
  pretty neat, I like the lines and colors.  You can see me, but I have
  not decided yet if that is good or bad.
 
  http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/IMGP2408.html
 
  Honest and brutal please!  (and thanks for looking)

 Brutally and honestly:

 I like it!

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OT - The French Chef / Julia Child

2007-01-05 Thread Tom C
I bought two DVD sets of Julia Child's cooking show from the 60's recently. 
I remember watching the show on PBS when I was somewhere between 7 and 12 
years old.

In any case it's a fun time capsule.  In BW, no high production values or 
slick camera moves like in today's shows.  Very honest and funny, with a 
60's kitchen, Julia repeating herself often and correcting mistakes 
on-camera, wiping her fishy hands on her backside, and chopping of fish 
heads with violent whacks of a huge cleaver, all the time telling you how 
fun it is. (From the Bouilabaisse episode).

If you like cooking and you're in for some subtle humor punctuated by 
moments that make you laugh your head off, I recommend it.


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Re: OT - The French Chef / Julia Child

2007-01-05 Thread keith_w
Tom C wrote:
 I bought two DVD sets of Julia Child's cooking show from the 60's recently. 

Is that at least 4 DVD's? Lotsa info on them!

keith whaley

 I remember watching the show on PBS when I was somewhere between 7 and 12 
 years old.
 
 In any case it's a fun time capsule.  In BW, no high production values or 
 slick camera moves like in today's shows.  Very honest and funny, with a 
 60's kitchen, Julia repeating herself often and correcting mistakes 
 on-camera, wiping her fishy hands on her backside, and chopping of fish 
 heads with violent whacks of a huge cleaver, all the time telling you how 
 fun it is. (From the Bouilabaisse episode).
 
 If you like cooking and you're in for some subtle humor punctuated by 
 moments that make you laugh your head off, I recommend it.
 
 
 Tom C.
 
 
 


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Re: OT: Velvia available again

2007-01-05 Thread Adam Maas

In reality, Fuji tried to replace it with Velvia 100 (NOT Velvia 100F, which is 
a completely different film without Velvia-level saturation that Fuji 
inexplicably introduced a few years back). People were not enthused with the 
altered colour balance with 100, which Fuji had done to prevent Rockwell 
Lobster Syndrome. Velvia 50 II supposedly will have the classic Velvia balance 
and punch, but the easier scanning of the new Provia's.

-Adam


Jack Davis wrote:
 Fuji ran short of gag hues for awhile. Now being re-supplied by Tacky
 Tones International.
 
 Jack
 --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
That's good.  To tell the truth I was unaware Velvia was not
available. I do 
have quite a bit of 220 and 135 in the freezer.

What was the cause of it's unavailability and then reappearance?

Tom C.


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Re: OT: Velvia available again

2007-01-05 Thread Tom C
Jack iii Jealous. Jack  Jealous!



Tom C.


Fuji ran short of gag hues for awhile. Now being re-supplied by Tacky
Tones International.

Jack


--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  That's good.  To tell the truth I was unaware Velvia was not
  available. I do
  have quite a bit of 220 and 135 in the freezer.
 
  What was the cause of it's unavailability and then reappearance?
 
  Tom C.
 
 
 
  From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Re: OT: Velvia available again
  Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:46:24 -0800 (PST)
  
  Tom!(?)
  
  J
  --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
For those still shooting film of the slide variety, I received a
  note
from
Fuji advising that Velvia will again be made available.
   
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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/05/07 1:57 PM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can see a slight amount in the tree  building but none in the road.
 
 I think I picked a bad example. I've just gone and searched through my
 archive for another shot at 17mm and it displays obvious fishiness. So
 I'm withdrawing my pretty much non-existent comment. Funnily enough
 almost all the shots I've made with this lens have been taken at the 10mm FL.

You did not say it is near-rectilinear or anything like that.  What you said
was by 17mm the distortion is pretty much non-existent. which I agree.
Nobody expects this lens be near-rectilinear at any FL, and if you look at
images closely, you always find curvature somewhere.  But I agree that in
some occasions, and particularly when choosing compositions carefully (avoid
straight lines as much as possible etc), curvature might look pretty much
non-existent, and sometimes you might even be able to get away with it if
talking to the uninitiated people.

I no longer have an FEZ (I used to have a film version which was sold to one
of the list members) but I thought the film version exhibited more curvature
than DA version (I could be wrong).

As FEZ is unique and it does help when trying to capture as much interior or
landscape as possible, with a knowledge that it could be made rectilinear
later, I intend to buy a DA version at some point.

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Re: PESO - Winter scene

2007-01-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Sorry Bruce, it just doesn't work for me.
Issues I have with it -
subject matter, dim light  tracks in the snow in the RHUC. Those by 
themselves could possibly be made into a satisfying image, but in this 
instance they just don't work for me.

YMMV

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PESO - Winter scene


 Taken in Utah very late in the day.  The sky was hazed over and the
 sun was starting on the way down.  This allowed for very soft light to
 record the shadows in the snow.  It is delicate, but I like it.

 Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld
 ISO 100, 1/90 sec @ f/9.5

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/snow2006_45.htm

 Comments welcome

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Re: OT - The French Chef / Julia Child

2007-01-05 Thread Christian
Tom C wrote:
 I bought two DVD sets of Julia Child's cooking show from the 60's recently. 
 I remember watching the show on PBS when I was somewhere between 7 and 12 
 years old.
 
 In any case it's a fun time capsule.  In BW, no high production values or 
 slick camera moves like in today's shows.  Very honest and funny, with a 
 60's kitchen, Julia repeating herself often and correcting mistakes 
 on-camera, wiping her fishy hands on her backside, and chopping of fish 
 heads with violent whacks of a huge cleaver, all the time telling you how 
 fun it is. (From the Bouilabaisse episode).
 
 If you like cooking and you're in for some subtle humor punctuated by 
 moments that make you laugh your head off, I recommend it.
 
 
 Tom C.

Dan Akroyd as Julia Child on Saturday Night Live...  now THAT'S funny!  ;-)


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Re: Pentax advertising at World Juniors.

2007-01-05 Thread Christian
Dave Kennedy wrote:
 Anyone notice that Pentax has their name behind the net at the world
 Junior Hockey Championships?
 
 I was surprised to see it there.

Not surprised at all.  They have an ad in permanent rotation behind home 
plate at Camden Yards which is visible on TV during EVERY play. 
(Baltimore Orioles; pro baseball team for those who don't know)

 (end of first, Canada 3, Russia 0)

Now that's a surprise! :-)

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Re: Fisheye 10-17 question

2007-01-05 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Gonz,

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:38:39 -0600, Gonz wrote:

I've seen some nice pics from this lens.  W. Hamler's recent Hot Dog 
Heaven is a prime, err... zoom example.

My question is related to its fishiness.  I've heard that the lens is a 
fisheye at 10mm, but loses its fishiness as you head towards 17mm, so 
that it looks like a rectilinear at 17mm.  Anyone have any experience 
that could confirm/disprove this?

Well, the effect gets a lot less towards 17mm but is still there.
I don't have two images from the same subject, but compare
these two PESOS made at 17mm and 10mm respectively:

http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=192
and
http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?id=186


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Re: Pentax advertising at World Juniors.

2007-01-05 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/05/07 2:52 PM, Christian, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not surprised at all.  They have an ad in permanent rotation behind home
 plate at Camden Yards which is visible on TV during EVERY play.
 (Baltimore Orioles; pro baseball team for those who don't know)

Has something changed in Pentax lately? :-).
They must be in a spending spree now!

Ken


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