Re: FID (Film is Dead)
On Aug 5, 2007, at 10:37 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: There have been reports that Zenit is working on a DSLR with a 4/3 sensor that will take LTM (Leica thread mount 39mm) kenses. Not sure about exposure, but obviously manual focus. Reports from whom? Where? I personally know one of the engineers at that factory and he has steadfastly denied that they have any aspirations of making digital cameras. In fact, camera production was completely shut down more than a year ago and they're just making lenses and other optics these days. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Summertime...
Not a bad shot, does give an nice feel and makes me want to take a nap there. -- Bruce Friday, August 3, 2007, 8:38:40 PM, you wrote: RW ...and the livin' is easy... RW What is it about hammocks and summertime? RW Another shot from the Berkshires: RW http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6248500size=lg RW Comments welcome. RW Work has been brutal lately, so I haven't been around RW as much as usual... RW Rick RW http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW RW RW Need a vacation? Get great deals RW to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. RW http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
Resistance is... ? :-) Jostein 2007/8/6, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Those link were posted on Pentaxforums. Mmm I thought I wouldn't buy one but now...hooo n ;) http://www.bildercache.de/galerie.html?id=2449 http://forum.digitalfotonetz.com/viewtopic.php?t=38708 -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
hehe :) I must say I'm very very annoyed (read... pissed off) by comments on Dpreview about this lens. Not that I'm much surprised btw, but it still is very annoying. What so they expect? I know they expect a prime quality at consumer price without any single compromise. And they think they know know about photography (not that I do...). Mmm stupid people blues ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: DA*16-50 pics
Thibouille I agree completely. They demand perfection from a device rather than practical high quality with some problems that one must understand for especially odd situations - for example, do not put a sea horizon on the very edge of the frame in a 16mm shot 'cos of moustache distortion. In my view, if that is a problem then use a 16mm prime for shots of this nature and I expect my 10-20mm Sigma would also do the job as it is in its midrange :) I still read the Dpreview forum but god it gets hard at times to not start a fight. BTW - I have one on order and have no intention of cancelling this order - I am really looking forward to getting this lens. Rod -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thibouille hehe :) I must say I'm very very annoyed (read... pissed off) by comments on Dpreview about this lens. Not that I'm much surprised btw, but it still is very annoying. What so they expect? I know they expect a prime quality at consumer price without any single compromise. And they think they know know about photography (not that I do...). Mmm stupid people blues ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Why did you upgrade to K10d?
Last summer, I got to test a prototype K100D for a good week. I was stunned by the convenience of the antishake mechanism, so that's number one for upgrading from *istD. I quenched a lust to buy the K100D straight, and waited for the 10D because of the persistent rumors of weather sealing and extra megapixels. When I finally got the camera, I much appreciated the better ergonomy for hands of glove size 10 1/2, and the buffer/write-speed stuff. Feels like the best camera deal I've done since I bought a virtually unused 645 Nii for less than half of new price in 2001. Now, if that 645D materialise I'll be in trouble. Financial trouble, that is... :-) Jostein 2007/8/5, syb vis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had a Ist*Ds before. But after about 7000 pics the little black wheel to zoom (in preview mode) or to adjust lightning settings (in imaging mode), turned mute. I could turn, and the camera did not; not always, or wrongly, respond. Sent it to be repaired but the problem remained/returned. So now I've got a brand new K10d camera with battery grip, so alltogether there are three wheels like that. They can take over each others functions. Or, at least, not all the zooming and adjusting activity is going through one small wheel. Let's say I have spread the risk. A new one may be needed after no less than 21000 images. What's your reason to get a K10D? -- Syb Vis, The Netherlands. Since i bought my DSLR, i do no longer buy prints. Instead, i pay digital frames. Who said it would become cheaper? = -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Sk8r
Hmm... Am I right that you've used a mask to control the contrast? Around the person's face, hair and left arm, it seems like what you need to do is simply to tune the mask to fit the contours properly. Try to find a natural looking transition by using feather on the selection. It may also be a good idea to treat the hair with a separate mask, with more feathering than the other one. If my initial guess is wrong, just carry on. :-) Cheers, Jostein 2007/8/4, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please excuse my crude attempts at photoshoping: http://tinyurl.com/22mplu http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrS6XLMIt4I/AhQ/hV-8FRtnsFc/s1600-h/sk8r.jpg Comments and suggestions are always welcome. thanks! -frank --Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
On 06/08/07, Rod Connan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still read the Dpreview forum but god it gets hard at times to not start a fight. BTW - I have one on order and have no intention of cancelling this order - I am really looking forward to getting this lens. I'm most perplexed at how genuine discussion seems to cause so much animosity and apparent discontent these days. Did someone put to you that you should cancel your order and if so why? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Today's cup of coffee
That's organic coffee. Must be good, then. :-) Jostein 2007/8/5, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED]: syb vis wrote: Following previous posts, here is a fresh (?) cup of coffee for today. Sugar, anyone? http://fotodag.fotopic.net/p42545533.html Black gladly? H. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Busted!
I rarely do street photoghraphy, but if i go out with that purpose, i usually shoot from the hip.Once i had a stree map in my hand and my back pack. People thought i was from out of town, and had no problems Dave On 8/5/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/08/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why I don't often photograph people. I often get the feeling here that when pointing a camera at people in public unless you are obviously a tourist or some pretty young thing you are instantly deemed some kind of pervert. Of course as soon as there is some kind of public festivities it's fine for anyone to pop out a camera, very strange. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
P. J. Alling wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: And who could forget the song Ghost of Stephen Foster by the Squirrel Nut Zippers! I'm sure if I heard it, it would be pretty unforgettable. I've never seen them in person but I hear they put on a really great show. Their video for the song in question can be found on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1DISNYj0QU -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
Thibouille wrote: I must say I'm very very annoyed (read... pissed off) by comments on Dpreview about this lens. Not that I'm much surprised btw, but it still is very annoying. I read on the DP Review Pentax forum that the 16-50/2.8 is unusable because it has VPN! ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
Before opening the Galerie I thought I'd see examples of DA* 16~50 f/2.8 images. Did I miss something? Jack --- Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those link were posted on Pentaxforums. Mmm I thought I wouldn't buy one but now...hooo n ;) http://www.bildercache.de/galerie.html?id=2449 http://forum.digitalfotonetz.com/viewtopic.php?t=38708 -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I thought they were done as well, but they are still showing product on their website. Ain't refrigerated warehouses grand!! They did one last production of several films before they shut down and those are projected to last from two to five years. Rollei bought the entire last production of black and white to sell under their own name. Actually, I've heard (or read) people claim that the Rollei film is being manufactured today - by some company that bought the entire production line from AgfaPhoto. I'm sure you find some details on the web if you care to search for it, which I don't. Also, according to a guy at a local photo shop, there is a reasonable demand for it. And for stuff like Tri-X etc. The same shop apparently had bw film sales of virtually 0 a couple of years ago. So maybe bw film has already been dead for long enough to be resurrected... - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Sk8r
FWIW i like the shot Frank. Dave On 8/5/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I like the photo but the rescue leaves a bit to be desired. Work at it a bit, use it as a learning experience, but in all honesty if it takes much to rescue it you should move on and try again. Thanks, Godfrey. I don't know if I can rescue it, but I agree that the image may be worth the effort. It's a learning thing, after all... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Needs a little work
Yeah, I thought that about the headlight as well. John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/5/2007 7:15 PM From: Steve Desjardins Trying to organize some files and I came across this photo I took a little over a year ago. The remnants of a motorcycle was propped up again the wall of an old cottage/barn/crack house in somewhere in the wilds of Scotland. There was no engine and really nothing much left to the rear of the part in the photo. Anyone recognize the bike? http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/ Maybe a real old BSA, although it could be Norton or Triumph - pre WWII. Looks like the headlight is non-electric -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net !SIG:46b65c14117321638761127! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
On 8/6/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thibouille wrote: I must say I'm very very annoyed (read... pissed off) by comments on Dpreview about this lens. Not that I'm much surprised btw, but it still is very annoying. I read on the DP Review Pentax forum that the 16-50/2.8 is unusable because it has VPN! Virtual Pentax Notoriety Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: Actually, I've heard (or read) people claim that the Rollei film is being manufactured today - by some company that bought the entire production line from AgfaPhoto. I'm sure you find some details on the web if you care to search for it, which I don't. That's Maco. While all remaining Agfa black and white was bought by Rollei to sell under their own name, not all Rollei branded film is Agfa. Some of the films are made by Maco. Maco still makes a number of black and white films of their own formulation. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I think part of this is that most people (Notice the most part) prefer to shoot color in digital. So they have these nice film cameras lying around and decide to try BW. Actually, though I wonder what format will survive. 35 mm was convenient but as the cameras start to break and are not replaced, will it persist at all. Same for MF. OTOH, large format cameras can be hand made by rather low tech companies and use modern lenses. Someone asked if people would pay $5 a shot. Maybe. Each shot is like a painting. LF makes more sense in many ways as film begins to go away. A few speciality companies, sell them as kits, etc., and nowadays the infrastructure is in place to supply most of the world. Use your digital camera as a light meter. g Yeah, a romantic image, but I like it . . . Steve Actually, I've heard (or read) people claim that the Rollei film is being manufactured today - by some company that bought the entire production line from AgfaPhoto. I'm sure you find some details on the web if you care to search for it, which I don't. Also, according to a guy at a local photo shop, there is a reasonable demand for it. And for stuff like Tri-X etc. The same shop apparently had bw film sales of virtually 0 a couple of years ago. So maybe bw film has already been dead for long enough to be resurrected... - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: ... Use your digital camera as a light meter. ... LOL ... this is funny. Oskar Barnack invented the 35mm still camera as a device to check exposure for 35mm cine work. It was then discovered that a miniature format still camera allowed a wholly different range of photographic expression and uses compared to the large and heavy still cameras of the day, and 35mm photography was born. Now consider all the trouble that caused...! ]'-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
Well said. I have stopped reading DPreview etc, for all of the sky is falling stuff. I was going to get the 16-50, but now ihave the 77Ltd, i have a low light prime for those pesky fund raisers we put on for the radio station. Dave On 8/6/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This nonsense cracks me up. People are not satisfied with anything. No level of performance will ever match the ideal performance that everyone has in their imaginations now. Everyone knows that something better will come along in six months. So a brand new, top of the line lens is automatically not the best thing ... it's something that is already passé, obsolete, and the hunger for the better one supercedes the value of the current. That or dim memory/blindness/acceptance has forgiven the flaws of their favorites from the past so they hang onto old stuff and descry the continuing loss of quality and value with every new product introduction. It's all bullshit. Being hung up on the perfection of equipment is sad. It gets in the way of doing photography. I'm sure that the brilliant photographs that can be made with the DA*16-50 lens will never be affected by the fact that it has a bit of second order curvilinear distortion, or is slightly less sharp at f/4 than some other lens was. The brilliant photographers who make those pictures will simply be exploiting what the lens can do and be avoiding that which it is not best suited for. Just as always. I have had no plans to buy the DA*16-50 lens anyway. I'm neither more nor less inclined to buy it at present ... I have the lenses I like a lot, that work well for me, and don't need anything else at present. If I come to need a new lens of this type in coming days, I'll give it due consideration. Meantime, I have a lot of work to get done and I'd better get to work at it again... :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Were the strange customers digital users? Yup. Ex film users to be exact. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
- Original Message - From: Toralf Lund Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Also, according to a guy at a local photo shop, there is a reasonable demand for it. And for stuff like Tri-X etc. The same shop apparently had bw film sales of virtually 0 a couple of years ago. So maybe bw film has already been dead for long enough to be resurrected... That would be nice. I'm still not happy with the digital options for BW, and still prefer large format and wet prints. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
- Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: DA*16-50 pics I'm most perplexed at how genuine discussion seems to cause so much animosity and apparent discontent these days. Did someone put to you that you should cancel your order and if so why? I've never seen much genuine discussion on DPReview. Too many geeks who think they know photography, and not enough photographers. I suppose the photographers are getting on with the business of making pictures, rather than trying to microanylize web sized photos that often seem designed to bring out the worst in the equipment. The funniest to me is the technical terminology (moustache distortion, halo effects, etc). If these people want to be taken seriously, they could at least use meanigful termiology. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Two-body (Was Available light wedding)
Wed Aug 1 21:12:22 EDT 2007 drew wrote: Paul- I do plan on having both my bodies on me. If you disregard the context for a moment, and try to imagine the picture of a person with (at least) two bodies he can take with him on will... OTOH, two-body is not two-face :-) (sorry, I couldn't resist... just playing with words). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
DA* 16-50 flare wide open (was Re: Comparing DA* 16-50 and FA* 28-70)
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 06/08/07, Jack Davis jdavisf8 at yahoo.com wrote: Apertures used notwithstanding, to my eye the 16~50 image is somewhat sharper than either the 16~45 or 28~70 and virtually equal to the 31. I know, an absolutely meaningless observation. They appear to be pretty close at f4, the lack of CA in the 16-50 image really adds to the apparent sharpness, my only criticism of the new DA* lens is the apparent halo or light spill from the bright areas into the dark at f2.8 though by f4 it's virtually gone. Rob, I was a little surprised to see the same thing you did. It looks like veiling glare to me. I associate it with older single-coated lenses. We all know that Pentax has wonderful lens coating technology; maybe there is some internal reflection in the inner lens barrel that only occurs when the aperture is wide open? --Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Jazz Trumpet
Wonderful! Tom C. From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Jazz Trumpet Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:36:34 -0400 Toronto jazz musician/bike messenger Tim Hamel, at a recent concert: http://tinyurl.com/2vucm5 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrX65rMIt5I/AhY/K240-dQRBFY/s1600-h/tim_hamel.jpg I hope this looks okay - I find doing this stuff on a laptop (my only computer with PS on it - my work computer being the only other computer I have access to). Shot @ ISO 3200, cropped a bit, minor adjustments. I actually like the grain (I know that it's noise in digitese) - gives it a vintage look, IMHO. Hopefully you like. All comments (good or bad) gratefully accepted. thanks! -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - On the Beach #5
In a message dated 8/5/2007 7:49:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like this one too (including the colors) but I think #4 with the feather is a stronger composition. The burnout on the lower left in this one distracts me a bit. G == I was more concerned about the slight burnout on the rock. Thanks for looking, Godfrey, well #4 was a BW. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - On the Beach #4
In a message dated 8/5/2007 7:49:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Aug 3, 2007, at 8:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do this one in BW. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/beach4.htm Very nice, Marnie. I'd like to see a little more contrast and some shaping of the tonalities around the feather. The composition is wonderful. Godfrey == Okey, dokey, I'll try that. Thanks for the comments and feedback, Godfrey. Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - On the Beach #5
In a message dated 8/4/2007 3:33:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Marnie I think this is the best of the series. Beautiful colours and interesting areas of light and shadow. Cheers Brian Coo, Brian. Thanks. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - On the Beach #5
In a message dated 8/4/2007 4:04:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the textures color and composition. Thanks, Peter. Marnie :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, this is the last of this series (that I will show here). And I may be the only one who likes it. I like the colors. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/beach5.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Today's cup of coffee
In a message dated 8/5/2007 3:10:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Following previous posts, here is a fresh (?) cup of coffee for today. Sugar, anyone? http://fotodag.fotopic.net/p42545533.html == Hehehehehehee. Not thanks. Fun shot. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Busted!
In a message dated 8/5/2007 3:43:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When doing street photography, I like to think that I've gotten pretty good at being stealthy. But sometimes, maybe not so much: http://www.alpert.com/marco/temp/busted_c.html -Marco Hehehehehehee. He's not unassertive, is he? Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jazz Trumpet
In a message dated 8/5/2007 9:45:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Toronto jazz musician/bike messenger Tim Hamel, at a recent concert: http://tinyurl.com/2vucm5 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrX65rMIt5I/AhY/K240-dQRBFY/s1600- h/tim_hamel.jpg I hope this looks okay - I find doing this stuff on a laptop (my only computer with PS on it - my work computer being the only other computer I have access to). Shot @ ISO 3200, cropped a bit, minor adjustments. I actually like the grain (I know that it's noise in digitese) - gives it a vintage look, IMHO. Hopefully you like. All comments (good or bad) gratefully accepted. thanks! -frank Nice, nice, that's more like it, frank. The lines in the background (where walls meet ceiling and the white square) juxtaposition nicely with him. Good shot! Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO 2007 - 33d - GDG
In a message dated 8/5/2007 7:11:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Made this one today and I was kinda jazzed by it: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/33d.htm Yeah, I've gone graphical again. :-) Comments, critique, etc always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey === I like it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: August PUG is open
Seen'em before. Definitely man o war. Nasty sting. On 8/4/07, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comment, Mike. I didn't think it was a Man-of-War because the tentacles didn't seem long enough, but then again, I didn't pick it up and check carefully under the float. Dan On 8/2/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Dan's Portuguese man o'war. http://www.aloha.com/~lifeguards/portugue.html - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - On the Beach #4
Very good. I like the waves pointing to the feather. Good BW Dave On 8/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do this one in BW. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/beach4.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - On the Beach #5
Good texture and comp Dave On 8/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, this is the last of this series (that I will show here). And I may be the only one who likes it. I like the colors. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/beach5.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Peso My coffee cup tribute
Took these at breakfast in Warrenville on route to GFM. I'm not sure which i like best. First one is colour, second is a basic BW conversion using LR's default greyscale. http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5095629355377801266 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5095629355377801250 istD with A 28 F2.8. LR adjusted for some highlight lowering and shadow upping, then exported for email. Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
In a message dated 8/5/2007 8:14:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting thread. By coincidence I was visiting an old friend last week who runs one of the country's few camera shops that still sells film cameras almost exclusively. (John's Camera in Blacksburg, VA) John has about a hundred film cameras in stock ranging from 35mm up to large format (he has a gorgeous baby Linhof outfit for sale!). He's well stocked with film and darkroom supplies. He's just bought another minilab processor and is installing it now. He's seen an upswing in film camera sales in the last year. I sell regularly on eBay, and I've noticed a dramatic upswing in prices for some types of film cameras. I sold a bunch of Hasselblad equipment several months ago and got much more for it than I ever expected. Prices for Rollei TLRs have jumped considerably as well. I'm wishing now that I had held on to some of my personal gear longer. I'm committed to digital for my commercial work, but I see many signs that film is not dead and perhaps will see a renaissance in the next few years. Bob = I am taking a Landscape Photography from a young guy, about 24-26, who is shooting with a Hasselblad (pretty sure that is it). He sells his work through galleries and says there are about 10 photographers in the Bay Area making serious money doing it that way (he's very, very good). The fact he shoots with film gives his pictures cachet and that makes them even more sellable. Yes, it definitely is an art field now. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jazz Trumpet
I always said BW looks great for Jazz and Blues artists. The noise does add, but it looks like noise , not film grain. I think there is a plug in to add film noise. I agree with Ken, maybe crop a bit from the ceilingh, other than that, nice shot and looks ok here on the uncal'd ibook Dave On 8/5/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toronto jazz musician/bike messenger Tim Hamel, at a recent concert: http://tinyurl.com/2vucm5 http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrX65rMIt5I/AhY/K240-dQRBFY/s1600-h/tim_hamel.jpg I hope this looks okay - I find doing this stuff on a laptop (my only computer with PS on it - my work computer being the only other computer I have access to). Shot @ ISO 3200, cropped a bit, minor adjustments. I actually like the grain (I know that it's noise in digitese) - gives it a vintage look, IMHO. Hopefully you like. All comments (good or bad) gratefully accepted. thanks! -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
On 8/6/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. I recently took some BW negs to the guy on Danforth Ave, that Frank and i use. He is really slow, and is contemplating shutting the little shop he has down and run a digital print lab at home. No more wet BW prints. To bad as he does a very good job. Dave Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Two-body (Was Available light wedding)
On 8/6/07, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wed Aug 1 21:12:22 EDT 2007 drew wrote: Paul- I do plan on having both my bodies on me. If you disregard the context for a moment, and try to imagine the picture of a person with (at least) two bodies he can take with him on will... OTOH, two-body is not two-face :-) (sorry, I couldn't resist... just playing with words). The Borg were not. :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ghost bike
In a message dated 8/5/2007 9:19:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A man called Lennard Woods, a 53-year-old father of 2, was killed in Greenwich Park last month after a collision with a car. A local cycling group have put a ghost bike at the scene of the accident as a memorial: http://www.web-options.com/Ghost-2.jpg http://www.web-options.com/Ghost.jpg Regards Bob === Interesting idea. Not sure he'd want to be remembered for how he was killed, though. OTOH, good warning for motorists to remember to be careful around bikers. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Same for the survey business, i was recently retired from. All the new kids are learning the computer, GPS, Total station way of surveying.No one teaches trhe old Art of surveying. How to determine boundaries etc. If something happens, they don't know how to pull out a chain and a right angle prisim and continue the survey. Its all, set up anywere, blast the site with angles and distances and let the computer fiqure it out.Then make a pretty plan. I'm really glad i was forced out when i was. Dave On 8/4/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some minor benefits to teaching photography the old way, but it's quickly becoming an anachronism. For today's photographer learning digital processing is much more important than learning to work with chemicals. That's a dead end. You can teach exposure without having to force students to shoot with antiques. Just set up some heavily weighted exposure compensation situations and make them work for their knowledge. Studying Latin is more productive than studying film photography. Paul On Aug 4, 2007, at 6:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: With two darkroom courses this community college has as much resources invested as the University of Rhode Island did 30 years ago, long before the digital revolution. Besides given that there's no basic digital camera that will force students to learn something about exposure, old film cameras are probably the only way to teach those skills, and if you're using film you might as well learn darkroom, which also overlaps with fine art lithography. George Sinos wrote: If the mission of a community college is to prepare students for the workplace, training them in the skills of darkroom technique, as opposed to photoshop and digital phtography really misses the point. When resources are scarce, you have to focus on your goals. See you later, gs http://georgesphotos.net On 8/3/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Several professors I know who teach photography around the USA and in Europe at prominent universities/colleges were telling me four/five years ago that their school administration had closed down funding for new film cameras/wet lab equipment and were putting plans in place to replace all of their equipment with digital cameras, image processing workstations, etc. I think film/wet lab courses by now are the exception rather than the rule in most college photography programs. Godfrey I think you're probably right. Very few schools that I've looked into lately have had traditional photo courses. Many have canceled their photography courses altogether, or reduced them to one or two electives in an arts program. A few years ago, when we were living in St. Louis, the community college offered photo courses that required darkroom work. These courses often filled well before the start of the semester. They still offer the course but I don't know anything about the enrollment anymore. The Harrisburg Community College (near our current home) still offers traditional photo courses with darkroom work. These courses fill to capacity often within a few days. My latest inquiry resulted in an offer to be put on a waiting list longer than twice the size limit of the class. There is a publicly available darkroom at an arts center about 20 miles from here. They recommend a reservation if you want to use the facility on the weekend. But still, most schools aren't even offering the courses anymore. With the demand around here (not exactly a major metropolitan area), I can't help but wonder why not. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I took a BW photography and darkroom class back in my twenties, many long, long years ago. (It did not make me a good photographer, I was a lousy photographer for about 30 years). While I think photographers starting out today are better off focusing on the digital darkroom, darkroom work DOES teach one about how a camera captures light. Which, really, is the basis of the whole thing. So it is not totally without value. Just my .02. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Weed?
In a message dated 8/5/2007 11:56:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many years ago finding this orchid would be a pleasant surprise. Nowadays not finding it would be a surprise. They grow everywhere. I googled a little to find the English name (broadleaf helleborine, Epipactis helleborine ) and to my surprise it's native in North America since 1879 and is considered a weed! If all weeds would be orchids! http://leende.net/peso/20070804 -- Toine === Nice. Funny, doesn't look like a weed, looks like mini-orchids or something. Marnie aka Doe Like the spider threads. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Agreed. I always felt i was not a very good photographer, untill i took some classes and began to understand more. Dave On 8/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a BW photography and darkroom class back in my twenties, many long, long years ago. (It did not make me a good photographer, I was a lousy photographer for about 30 years). While I think photographers starting out today are better off focusing on the digital darkroom, darkroom work DOES teach one about how a camera captures light. Which, really, is the basis of the whole thing. So it is not totally without value. Just my .02. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I don't know tons of young photographers, but those into the craft, use film. Those who use digital just make reality TV with no arr or thought. It serves them but these are the same people who bought PS cameras. I expect that there will always be a market for BW materials, and as I pointed out, you can make the printing paper in your bathroom, (or something like it, that is the way it was done for 75-80% of the history of what we know as photography). I will miss color slides, sometimes I do already. Tom C wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
From: Tom C Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Except that some 20+ years after CDs killed vinyl records, you can still get new ones. You do have to make some record to find 'em, but they're available. I fully expect film to hang in there the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. Tom C. From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom C Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Except that some 20+ years after CDs killed vinyl records, you can still get new ones. You do have to make some record to find 'em, but they're available. I fully expect film to hang in there the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
David J Brooks wrote: I recently took some BW negs to the guy on Danforth Ave, that Frank and i use. He is really slow, and is contemplating shutting the little shop he has down and run a digital print lab at home. No more wet BW prints. To bad as he does a very good job. Sadly, this is typical. The photo shop I worked at here in Pittsburgh had some of the best lab people in the city and their routine, run-of-the-mill work was excellent. We charged more than the drug stores and Wally Worlds, but the results were clearly worth it (and I'm not talking an arm and a leg, either). What happens is that the number of people who are both aware of the difference in quality and willing to pay for it declines until it's no longer a viable business. I was in one of the heavy-traffic big box stores in town this morning and stopped by their photo lab to have a look. Lots of digital print kiosks, but only 4 rolls of film hanging up in their C-41 queue. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Support your first sentence with facts please. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:30:40 -0400 I don't know tons of young photographers, but those into the craft, use film. Those who use digital just make reality TV with no arr or thought. It serves them but these are the same people who bought PS cameras. I expect that there will always be a market for BW materials, and as I pointed out, you can make the printing paper in your bathroom, (or something like it, that is the way it was done for 75-80% of the history of what we know as photography). I will miss color slides, sometimes I do already. Tom C wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Lighthouse
The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I have had no plans to buy the DA*16-50 lens anyway. I'm neither more nor less inclined to buy it at present ... I have the lenses I like a lot, that work well for me, and don't need anything else at present. If I come to need a new lens of this type in coming days, I'll give it due consideration. I think I have to get the 16-50/2.8 for the weather sealing. Just ask the GFM regulars about my ability to attract rain clouds every time I go off into the wild with a backpack and tent ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DA*16-50 pics
On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I think I have to get the 16-50/2.8 for the weather sealing. Just ask the GFM regulars about my ability to attract rain clouds every time I go off into the wild with a backpack and tent ;-) It helps to be a rain god, eh? Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Can't agree totally on that Tom.. Vinyl seems to be holding on to a share in this area, small but still.. One of the bigger stereo places that have been around for a long time, are advertising players again. My records are going no were.:-) Dave On 8/6/07, Tom Cakalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. Tom C. From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom C Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Except that some 20+ years after CDs killed vinyl records, you can still get new ones. You do have to make some record to find 'em, but they're available. I fully expect film to hang in there the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
In a message dated 8/5/2007 10:18:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That hit the nail on the head. Long before digital I found my self unable to find a custom lab that was consistently good. And the WalMart type of lab was orrfull... I believe that most of the serious photographers when to digital because they could not get good processing. ... graywolf - Bingo. I began switching to digital via scanning in film days once I realized how much better I could make the images than many labs could. Joe = Yes. Well, there is one good lab in the area, but the colors often weren't what I wanted. Longs processing I gave up on, once the one person who knew what they were doing left. So I also switched to scanning and printing before I switched to a DSLR. Going to keep my Epson scanner, it may come in handy for old family photos. I think because I am in the Bay Area there are actually more decent labs left here than elsewhere, though. At least throughout the whole Bay Area, near me there is only one. I keep expecting them to go out of business, but evidentially they have upgraded enough at the right times to keep going and also evidentially their main business now is restoring/printing old photos and printing large sized photos. Although they do print digital photographs too, there are still quite a few people who do not want to do their own printing. As far as I know, they also still process film/slides. They saw the way the wind was blowing and changed enough in time, about three changes so far I think. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
Like the placement of shore rocks in the foreground. Well composed. Pigeon Point Lighthouse is its name. I have a shot of it on my site which was taken closer up and from the other side. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
You're not on point though Dave (IMO). I cannot go and buy a new vinyl record of any CD I want, can I? Turntables never did stop selling totally. There's the multi-$1000 audiophile kind and there's the $100 - $150 kind for people that still play LP's (likely because those albums are not released on CD). Of course you know this. :-) I suppose there is still someone that plays 78 rpm records on a gramophone, and it would not surprise me if way back in the hills of Kentucky that someone's playing wax cylinders. I personally forsee a time in the not too distant future when no one anywhere is making film. If there is someone doing that 10/20 years from now, I would also guess that those buying it are real eccentrics and not likely mainstream photographers, whether making a living from it or not. I guess film won't be truly dead as long as there is one unexposed frame and one camera body to expose it with. ;-) Tom C. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:56:49 -0400 Can't agree totally on that Tom.. Vinyl seems to be holding on to a share in this area, small but still.. One of the bigger stereo places that have been around for a long time, are advertising players again. My records are going no were.:-) Dave On 8/6/07, Tom Cakalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. Tom C. From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom C Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Except that some 20+ years after CDs killed vinyl records, you can still get new ones. You do have to make some record to find 'em, but they're available. I fully expect film to hang in there the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Nice! Very nearly the same vantage point I managed in this 2003 photo: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW3/53.htm I had a stormy day with a driving wind for that one. Camera and tripod were almost blown over a couple of times. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Well, what I see here is that there are a lot of consumers on the list. If you can not buy something just anywhere, it does not exist. Even in Boone there is a couple of stores you can buy new (and old) vinyl at. Come to think of it that is a couple more than you could buy BW film at even before digital uber al. You can not buy a high end computer in Boone either, so computers must be dead too. My experience over a lot of decades is that when something becomes popular, it is on its way to dying, as soon all you can get is the lowest common denominator. Hassleblads give way to disposables, then the fad ends and you can not get anything anymore. All the get rich quick guys drive the enthusiasts out of the business, then they get out because there is too much competition, and then you guys yell, it is dead. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Tom Cakalic wrote: Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: August PUG is open
From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/04 Sat PM 10:27:37 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: August PUG is open Thanks for the comment, Mike. I didn't think it was a Man-of-War because the tentacles didn't seem long enough, but then again, I didn't pick it up and check carefully under the float. Dan Probably broke off when it grounded. On 8/2/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Dan's Portuguese man o'war. http://www.aloha.com/~lifeguards/portugue.html - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
af 540 fgz trailing curtain question
OK, so I did attend a flash class over the weekend but failed to learn anything which might shed some light on my question so here goes. When I set my 540 flash to do trailing curtain, it flashes twice - I think once at the beginning and once at the end. Is that normal? (because that is not what I learned) What's going on there, if it's normal? Thanks, --skye -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
You're right. There's a lot of consumers on this list because... Multiple Choice: 1. I consume occasionally 2. I consume at least once a week 3. I consume daily 4. I consume more than once a day unless ill or broke Nobody is arguing the extreme swing of the pendulum, as you seem to imply. Of course vinyl LP's still exist. Just go down and try to get the exact album, you're looking for though. Film is not dead yet, but it's lying on the bed and the call has been sent out for the priest. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:05:35 -0400 Well, what I see here is that there are a lot of consumers on the list. If you can not buy something just anywhere, it does not exist. Even in Boone there is a couple of stores you can buy new (and old) vinyl at. Come to think of it that is a couple more than you could buy BW film at even before digital uber al. You can not buy a high end computer in Boone either, so computers must be dead too. My experience over a lot of decades is that when something becomes popular, it is on its way to dying, as soon all you can get is the lowest common denominator. Hassleblads give way to disposables, then the fad ends and you can not get anything anymore. All the get rich quick guys drive the enthusiasts out of the business, then they get out because there is too much competition, and then you guys yell, it is dead. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Tom Cakalic wrote: Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Question: How much noise does a 645 camera make
From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/05 Sun AM 05:52:11 GMT To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Subject: Question: How much noise does a 645 camera make So I went and bought a used 645. It is a noisy thing. I can hear the winder moving the film and paper backing. This is a lot different than 35mm, even with a winder! Has anybody had the winder motor quit? What breaks first on these cameras? (Most used 35mm Pentax haven't seen heavy use, just vacation snaps. I wonder how many weddings my 645 has been to, how many frames it has taken, how many it has left before it fails.) Any ideas? Regards, Bob S. I was there when a full sized Labrador ran into Jostein's 645+lens. It made the most sickening thud/crack. 645? Unharmed. Lens? Needed a new barrel/helicoid - I forget which. It would probably take something akin to a tactical nuke to terminate a 645. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Tom Cakalic wrote: Of course vinyl LP's still exist. Just go down and try to get the exact album, you're looking for though. How many vinyl albums has anyone on this list bought in the last year? I have a high end stereo system with a Linn Sondek turntable and though I still listen to the ones I have in my collection I haven't bought one, new or used, in years. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Peso My coffee cup tribute
David J Brooks wrote: Took these at breakfast in Warrenville on route to GFM. I'm not sure which i like best. First one is colour, second is a basic BW conversion using LR's default greyscale. http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5095629355377801266 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5095629355377801250 istD with A 28 F2.8. LR adjusted for some highlight lowering and shadow upping, then exported for email. Yikes! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: af 540 fgz trailing curtain question
- Original Message - From: skye pdml Subject: af 540 fgz trailing curtain question OK, so I did attend a flash class over the weekend but failed to learn anything which might shed some light on my question so here goes. When I set my 540 flash to do trailing curtain, it flashes twice - I think once at the beginning and once at the end. Is that normal? (because that is not what I learned) What's going on there, if it's normal? Your 540 is a P-TTL flash. That means it uses a preflash to set the output rather than quenching the flash when enough light has been output (TTL). The first discharge is a low capacity flash that tells the camera how much output is required for correct exposure. The second discharge is the actual exposure. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Plus-X Tom C wrote: http://www.telegram.com/article/20070802/APF/708020637 What was that weird plasticky stuff we used to put in the backs of camera bodies that caused us long waits to get our photos back? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I would guess not many, at $30 - $50 a whack. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Tom Cakalic wrote: Of course vinyl LP's still exist. Just go down and try to get the exact album, you're looking for though. How many vinyl albums has anyone on this list bought in the last year? I have a high end stereo system with a Linn Sondek turntable and though I still listen to the ones I have in my collection I haven't bought one, new or used, in years. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Hell you can buy a turntable with a USB connector... David J Brooks wrote: Can't agree totally on that Tom.. Vinyl seems to be holding on to a share in this area, small but still.. One of the bigger stereo places that have been around for a long time, are advertising players again. My records are going no were.:-) Dave On 8/6/07, Tom Cakalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. Tom C. From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom C Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Except that some 20+ years after CDs killed vinyl records, you can still get new ones. You do have to make some record to find 'em, but they're available. I fully expect film to hang in there the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
On Aug 6, 2007, at 12:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am taking a Landscape Photography from a young guy, about 24-26, who is shooting with a Hasselblad (pretty sure that is it). He sells his work through galleries and says there are about 10 photographers in the Bay Area making serious money doing it that way (he's very, very good). The fact he shoots with film gives his pictures cachet and that makes them even more sellable. Yes, it definitely is an art field now. I have a friend who is a top wedding photographer in the NYC area. He shoots most weddings on digital but offers film as a more expensive option. When someone books a film wedding he shoots with the same Hasselblad gear he's used for many years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
Because I think your assertion is bologna Peter. It's absurd to think that while sales of film cameras have plumeted and sales of digital cameras has skyrocketed, and even the vast majority of pro photographers have switched/are switching to digital, that new young photographers would be choosing film over digital. Heck, I like film and can't seem to move myself to use the remaining film I've already purchased. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:28:41 -0400 And why should my anecdotal evidence require more facts than anyone else's in this discussion? Tom Cakalic wrote: Support your first sentence with facts please. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:30:40 -0400 I don't know tons of young photographers, but those into the craft, use film. Those who use digital just make reality TV with no arr or thought. It serves them but these are the same people who bought PS cameras. I expect that there will always be a market for BW materials, and as I pointed out, you can make the printing paper in your bathroom, (or something like it, that is the way it was done for 75-80% of the history of what we know as photography). I will miss color slides, sometimes I do already. Tom C wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
And why should my anecdotal evidence require more facts than anyone else's in this discussion? Tom Cakalic wrote: Support your first sentence with facts please. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:30:40 -0400 I don't know tons of young photographers, but those into the craft, use film. Those who use digital just make reality TV with no arr or thought. It serves them but these are the same people who bought PS cameras. I expect that there will always be a market for BW materials, and as I pointed out, you can make the printing paper in your bathroom, (or something like it, that is the way it was done for 75-80% of the history of what we know as photography). I will miss color slides, sometimes I do already. Tom C wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: af 540 fgz trailing curtain question
thanks William! I'll have to make some time to play with the settings and I'll return with more questions I'm sure. :) I wish the class would have been more helpful, but at least I have all you guys. On 8/6/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: skye pdml Subject: af 540 fgz trailing curtain question OK, so I did attend a flash class over the weekend but failed to learn anything which might shed some light on my question so here goes. When I set my 540 flash to do trailing curtain, it flashes twice - I think once at the beginning and once at the end. Is that normal? (because that is not what I learned) What's going on there, if it's normal? Your 540 is a P-TTL flash. That means it uses a preflash to set the output rather than quenching the flash when enough light has been output (TTL). The first discharge is a low capacity flash that tells the camera how much output is required for correct exposure. The second discharge is the actual exposure. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Needs a little work
From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/05 Sun PM 02:20:24 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Needs a little work Trying to organize some files and I came across this photo I took a little over a year ago. The remnants of a motorcycle was propped up again the wall of an old cottage/barn/crack house in somewhere in the wilds of Scotland. There was no engine and really nothing much left to the rear of the part in the photo. Anyone recognize the bike? http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/ Fascinating. Cradle frame, deep flat tank, beaded edge rim, acetylene lamp and external contracting front brake. State of the art in about 1921. At the absolute latest (probably), this was made in the mid 1920s. The deep tank and curving front down tube made me think of Douglas at first but I can't find one to match. Still my favourite, though. I take it there was virtually (or even really) no more of it? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
I like it, especially the placement of the Gull, how much did you have to pay him? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
You can also use it to play your records through the relatively high end, (at least as good sound to my ear as a good consumer grade component audio system), speakers and sub-woofer that come with most mid range computers. I know people who do both. Tom Cakalic wrote: And just what is the point of having a turntable with a USB connector? I can tell you. It's to convert the analog vinyl content to a digital format, likely .mp3, so that once that piece of vinyl is played and converted, it'll probably never see the light of day again. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:30:00 -0400 Hell you can buy a turntable with a USB connector... David J Brooks wrote: Can't agree totally on that Tom.. Vinyl seems to be holding on to a share in this area, small but still.. One of the bigger stereo places that have been around for a long time, are advertising players again. My records are going no were.:-) Dave On 8/6/07, Tom Cakalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, so I can just go down and take my pick right? Any new CD, any old CD still in distribution, I can go get a brand new vinyl version? I don't think so. Vinyl is dead in in the eyes of the vast music buying public. From what I understand CD's are going the same route when it comes to sales from retail stores. What will save the CD format for a while is that is that people need a recordable, portable medium to store digital music on. Tom C. From: John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom C Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Except that some 20+ years after CDs killed vinyl records, you can still get new ones. You do have to make some record to find 'em, but they're available. I fully expect film to hang in there the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: GESO - San Jose Grand Prix
Got some good one's in there. Tom C. From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: PDML@pdml.net (Pentax List) Subject: GESO - San Jose Grand Prix Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:29:08 -0400 (EDT) I've put together a small gallery of photographs from the recent San Jose Grand Prix (a downtown race). I was just about to leave for the track on Friday morning when I got a very pleasant surprise in my email - a friend who knows all the right people had managed to get me a photo pass for the event, even though I'm currently not officially working for any accredited media outlet. That certainly made it easier to get to the right photo spots. The gallery is here: http://www.jfwaf.com/SJGP/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
In a message dated 8/6/2007 1:56:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like it, especially the placement of the Gull, how much did you have to pay him? == It was more a matter of keeping gulls OUT of a picture. Though, yes, I was trying to get him in and I am glad it turned out. Spots in the background that look like dirt specks are actually more gulls. Thanks, Peter. Marnie :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:40:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Nice! Very nearly the same vantage point I managed in this 2003 photo: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW3/53.htm I had a stormy day with a driving wind for that one. Camera and tripod were almost blown over a couple of times. Godfrey == Dramatic. Well, our weather was better, but it was quite windy and cold (considering it is summer). On that bluff was a lot of ice plant (with trails). I somehow missed a narrow trail, stepped on the ice plant (very slippery), and went down. The K100D landed on the iceplant too. It was fine, but four days later I still hurt. So I had my difficult with shooting the lighthouse too. Hehehehe. Thanks, and thanks for looking. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ghost bike
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/05 Sun PM 04:17:34 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: Ghost bike A man called Lennard Woods, a 53-year-old father of 2, was killed in Greenwich Park last month after a collision with a car. A local cycling group have put a ghost bike at the scene of the accident as a memorial: http://www.web-options.com/Ghost-2.jpg http://www.web-options.com/Ghost.jpg quote Forbidden You don't have permission to access /(anything) /quote Was it something I said? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:27:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like the placement of shore rocks in the foreground. Well composed. Pigeon Point Lighthouse is its name. I have a shot of it on my site which was taken closer up and from the other side. Jack === Thanks, Jack. Marnie aka Doe :-) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
P. J. Alling wrote: Nobody's buying CDs either MP3 has replaced it, or so I hear Nonsense. Sales are down, to be sure, but they're still running at about 81 million CDs per quarter. I bought two today. And I'd be surprised if you could fine a Target, Wal-Mart or any other big box store that doesn't sell them. Ask for a vinyl LP at one of these retailers, though... In any case, arguing that film (or vinyl) won't go away because consumers are moving toward MP3 as a music format seems somewhat odd. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I think you're being dogmatic. Who the hell said anything about pro photographers. As I said, to expand a bit, I know a number of kids in their late teens and early twenties who are fairly serious about photography, they shoot BW, (35mm in a variety of old mechanical SLRs, mostly), for things they're serious about. Those who aren't serious use cellphone cameras. Is this for any other reason than the one that made Kodak Retina folders the in accessory with the cognoscenti a few years back. I couldn't tell you for sure, since I'm not one of the cognoscenti Tom Cakalic wrote: Because I think your assertion is bologna Peter. It's absurd to think that while sales of film cameras have plumeted and sales of digital cameras has skyrocketed, and even the vast majority of pro photographers have switched/are switching to digital, that new young photographers would be choosing film over digital. Heck, I like film and can't seem to move myself to use the remaining film I've already purchased. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:28:41 -0400 And why should my anecdotal evidence require more facts than anyone else's in this discussion? Tom Cakalic wrote: Support your first sentence with facts please. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:30:40 -0400 I don't know tons of young photographers, but those into the craft, use film. Those who use digital just make reality TV with no arr or thought. It serves them but these are the same people who bought PS cameras. I expect that there will always be a market for BW materials, and as I pointed out, you can make the printing paper in your bathroom, (or something like it, that is the way it was done for 75-80% of the history of what we know as photography). I will miss color slides, sometimes I do already. Tom C wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
I could be. :-) While I'm sure there are some young people using film cameras, it's certainly no longer the norm, and reading industry sales figures, it's becoming less of the norm with every passing day. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:06:27 -0400 I think you're being dogmatic. Who the hell said anything about pro photographers. As I said, to expand a bit, I know a number of kids in their late teens and early twenties who are fairly serious about photography, they shoot BW, (35mm in a variety of old mechanical SLRs, mostly), for things they're serious about. Those who aren't serious use cellphone cameras. Is this for any other reason than the one that made Kodak Retina folders the in accessory with the cognoscenti a few years back. I couldn't tell you for sure, since I'm not one of the cognoscenti Tom Cakalic wrote: Because I think your assertion is bologna Peter. It's absurd to think that while sales of film cameras have plumeted and sales of digital cameras has skyrocketed, and even the vast majority of pro photographers have switched/are switching to digital, that new young photographers would be choosing film over digital. Heck, I like film and can't seem to move myself to use the remaining film I've already purchased. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:28:41 -0400 And why should my anecdotal evidence require more facts than anyone else's in this discussion? Tom Cakalic wrote: Support your first sentence with facts please. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:30:40 -0400 I don't know tons of young photographers, but those into the craft, use film. Those who use digital just make reality TV with no arr or thought. It serves them but these are the same people who bought PS cameras. I expect that there will always be a market for BW materials, and as I pointed out, you can make the printing paper in your bathroom, (or something like it, that is the way it was done for 75-80% of the history of what we know as photography). I will miss color slides, sometimes I do already. Tom C wrote: Film not only is, it has been superceded by an alternative technology that has been embraced not only by the professional community, but also by the mainstream user. Film may see a renaissance of sorts, though I doubt it. More likely, within a very few years it will become so financially unworthwhile to manufacture that even the Chinese will give up on making it, and that will be the end of the line for it. William Robb This is the statement I agree with most out of the whole thread. I see film almost the same as I see vinyl records. There will be under 1% of the consumer base that cares about film, even BW film. What most people see in a BW photo is the absence of color, not the nuances that can be had by using certain films and processing techniques. I don't see a film renaissance either, it's just common sense. Shortly the combined income of street sketch and caricature artists will exceed the income made by film sales and processing. Morbid thought... The demise of film will continue to accelerate as those who use film kick the bucket, and those who have only used film in their childhoods couldn't care less about using it in the present or future. Tom C. -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- The difference between Microsoft and 'Jurassic Park': In one, a mad businessman makes a lot of money with beasts that should be extinct. The other is a film. -- Unattributed -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
I understand gulls work for peanuts. Bob On Aug 6, 2007, at 4:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I like it, especially the placement of the Gull, how much did you have to pay him? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ghost bike
I could see it before and now I can't. Maybe it's something everyone said. mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/05 Sun PM 04:17:34 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: Ghost bike A man called Lennard Woods, a 53-year-old father of 2, was killed in Greenwich Park last month after a collision with a car. A local cycling group have put a ghost bike at the scene of the accident as a memorial: http://www.web-options.com/Ghost-2.jpg http://www.web-options.com/Ghost.jpg quote Forbidden You don't have permission to access /(anything) /quote Was it something I said? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- cognoscenti: Those who know cognesnotty: The stringy material that forms in the nasal passages of Those who know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
Not for me they don't. Bob Shell wrote: I understand gulls work for peanuts. Bob On Aug 6, 2007, at 4:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I like it, especially the placement of the Gull, how much did you have to pay him? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe -- cognoscenti: Those who know cognesnotty: The stringy material that forms in the nasal passages of Those who know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Ghost bike
it's not giving me permission to do anything either, and I pay the bills! I think clara.net must have her knickers in a twist. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: 06 August 2007 22:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Ghost bike From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/05 Sun PM 04:17:34 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: Ghost bike A man called Lennard Woods, a 53-year-old father of 2, was killed in Greenwich Park last month after a collision with a car. A local cycling group have put a ghost bike at the scene of the accident as a memorial: http://www.web-options.com/Ghost-2.jpg http://www.web-options.com/Ghost.jpg quote Forbidden You don't have permission to access /(anything) /quote Was it something I said? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Peso My coffee cup tribute
Prefer the colour version. That's because the colour of the beard returns in the cup. You do not see that in BW Syb 2007/8/6, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David J Brooks wrote: Took these at breakfast in Warrenville on route to GFM. I'm not sure which i like best. First one is colour, second is a basic BW conversion using LR's default greyscale. http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5095629355377801266 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/General/photo#5095629355377801250 istD with A 28 F2.8. LR adjusted for some highlight lowering and shadow upping, then exported for email. Yikes! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Syb Vis, The Netherlands. Since i bought my DSLR, i do no longer buy prints. Instead, i pay digital frames. Who said it would become cheaper? = -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
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Re: DA* 16-50 flare wide open (was Re: Comparing DA* 16-50 and FA* 28-70)
On 07/08/07, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a little surprised to see the same thing you did. It looks like veiling glare to me. I associate it with older single-coated lenses. We all know that Pentax has wonderful lens coating technology; maybe there is some internal reflection in the inner lens barrel that only occurs when the aperture is wide open? I don't know what the cause of it is but the same effect can be observed when shooting high contrast subjects using the A50/1.2, A/FA50/1.4 lenses wide open so I assume is more to do with the lenses optical aberrations and internal wall reflections than coatings. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FID (Film is Dead)
My personal guess is that traditional BW film and paper will remain as a fine art niche product. The selection will be drastically limited, but I suspect there will always be enough demand for prints made with traditional photographic processes to keep some manufacturers going. I'm less optimistic for demand for color film and paper. - MCC Also, according to a guy at a local photo shop, there is a reasonable demand for it. And for stuff like Tri-X etc. The same shop apparently had bw film sales of virtually 0 a couple of years ago. So maybe bw film has already been dead for long enough to be resurrected... - Toralf -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO - A few shots from Allegan
Bob W wrote: Good luck with the second knee in November - I wouldn't be surprised if that is in the future. If you look closely at a calendar - almost any will do - you'll find that November is indeed in the future. I got a calendar in the TARDIS - I'll take a look... - MCC While I was waiting in hospital a few weeks ago a very red-faced, portly man came in, dressed in a scout's uniform (woggle and all), for treatment for a head injury. I was rather hoping he'd been injured in some dressing-up episode involving high-spirited women dressed as Bo Peep, but it turned out that his injury was the result of an innocent scouting prank. We ended up on the same ward and I learned that he was even more bionic than I am. Not only had he had both knees replaced earlier that year, he also had a plate in his head and 2 cochlear implants. The guy was RoboScout. And he's still out in the woods - so more power to him! - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Lighthouse
Nice composition - the position of the gull is just about right too. It's interesting how place names like Half Moon Bay keep reappearing elsewhere for semi-circular shaped coastlines. I know of at least two in Australia and I'm sure there are more. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The sky in this lightens up every time I look at it in a browser, while in Elements 5 I got it just about right. So I am giving up on that. Anyway, this is the lighthouse on Half Moon Bay. Nothing fantastic, it was a foggy day and we weren't there at sunset, but I think it's pleasant. http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/lighthouse.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
DA* 16-50/2.8
My local dealer just called to tell me he just got one lens in. I pick it up at the end of the day, hopefully. I'm excited! -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
New DA* has that Leica glow! (was Re: DA* 16-50 flare wide open)
Rob wrote: On 07/08/07, Mark Erickson mark at westerickson.net wrote: I was a little surprised to see the same thing you did. It looks like veiling glare to me. I associate it with older single-coated lenses. We all know that Pentax has wonderful lens coating technology; maybe there is some internal reflection in the inner lens barrel that only occurs when the aperture is wide open? I don't know what the cause of it is but the same effect can be observed when shooting high contrast subjects using the A50/1.2, A/FA50/1.4 lenses wide open so I assume is more to do with the lenses optical aberrations and internal wall reflections than coatings. Of course! How could I have not seen it? Pentax is the first major manufacturer to build a top-notch professional zoom lens that includes that Leica glow so prized by black and white photographers! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
