Re: Developing film

2007-08-22 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:40:35PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
 Actually, if you're shooting C-41 and not doing any push/pull stuff, any 
 of the mini-labs should be able to process the film adequately.
 
 It's really all automated, and there's very little they can do to mess 
 it up . . .

That's not my experience.  Unless the mini-lab is well maintained,
and cleaned and calibrated on a regular basis, it's all too easy for
you to end up with a roll of film scratched because of dirt and/or
crystals of the processing chemicals on the film guides.

In one particularly bad case the lab operator tried to tell me that
the scratches must have been caused by my camera, not by his machine.
However he was unable to explain how my camera had managed to scratch
the last 10 frames of the film, which hadn't been exposed, and so had
remained inside the cassette while it was in the camera.


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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
Now that's what I call a Photoshop!

Nice job, there.

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Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 6:29:58 PM, you wrote:

PS The CEO of the agency I'm working for owns a 1955 Chrysler 300C -- a
PS perfect 300C. Last Saturday at the Dream Cruise I was hanging out in
PS a parking lot and watching the cars drive by when I spotted the big
PS guy's 300C coming down Woodward. I attempted a pan, but the car was
PS moving very slowly, and I couldn't get a shutter speed slower than
PS 1/30th in the hazy sunlight. (Should have had an ND filter mounted.)
PS Anyway, I got a halfway decent pic but without any sense of speed and
PS way too much detail in the background. What's worse, the hood was
PS burned out and blending into a white car in another lane. So I  
PS PhotoShopped it. Here are the original and the retouched version for
PS comparison. I made him a print. He loves it. Since I'm a day-to-day
PS contract worker, love is a good thing.  ISO 100, f22 @1/30th DA  
PS 17-45/4 at 24mm.


PS Original:
PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333097size=lg

PS Retouched:
PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg

PS Paul




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Re: Bigma 50-500 vs 100-300 + 1.4x TC

2007-08-22 Thread Toine
Would be nice, but it doesn't do that. The K10D requests the focal length.

On 8/22/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, it translates the focal length of the lens mount on it by 1.7x
 and transmits that to the body. At least that's what my friend tells
 me it does... I don't have one myself.

 G

  You probably meant transmit instead of translate, Godfrey?

  - The Pentax F 1.7x AF Lens Adapter does translate the focal length
  and runs its own form of autofocus, which may or may not work with
  the big Sigma zooms.



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OT - Fiberoptics, anyone?

2007-08-22 Thread AlunFoto
Here's a question for the technically curious.

Do you think it will be worthwhile to use fibre optics to lead light
from an ordinary flash (eg. Pentax 540 FGZ) into various
configurations for macro flash purposes?

I can't get the idea out of my mind, and probably need some healthy
counter-arguments... :-)

The pros I can see are:

There is no P-TTL-enabled macro flash for Pentax. Using fibre optics
with an ordinary flash could provide this.

Theoretically, one should lose far less light per distance through
fibres than the inverse square law that applies through air. So
leading the light to where the motif is could allow for flash light
with a very reasonable GN.

Using thin fibres in slim cables, eg. 20 fibres in Ø 5mm cables, the
individual cables are flexible and can be arranged in many
configurations. Ring flash can be simulated, as well as setups more
weighted to the sides.

Optic fibres are lightweight, and will not place much extra weight or
bulk at the front of the lens. Contraptions for attaching the fibres
not considered, of course, but how bulky can they get?

On the con side, I see that the 5mm cables probably have to be bundled
by a professional towards the flash. I believe it's only possible to
construct circular bundles, so a part of the flash output may not be
shunted into the optic fibre. But at the moment, this is not at all
enough to stop me from thinking about this...:-)

Anyone have better counter-arguments?

Please? :-)

Btw, I know that Novoflex has a fibre optic solution for macro flash,
but that's not what I'm thinking of. The Novoflex unit is a large,
bulky adaptor that looks more like a microscope light source for the
lab than a portable field solution.

Cheers,
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Re: Looking for a printer (mostly low-end)

2007-08-22 Thread Thibouille
Thank you, Graywolf !

2007/8/22, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Not as good as I used to get from the very best labs, but better than I got 
 from all the rest. Certainly good enough that my few clients have had no 
 complaint. The only real problem I have noticed is that if you print heavy 
 matt prints they drink the die based inks like water. If glossy or luster is 
 OK with you and your clients I would say it is Good Enough.

 Each generation of inkjet printers get better. The R200 was the first one 
 that really seemed to be up to snuff. Of course it is now a couple of 
 generations old so hopefully the newer ones are even better.

 -graywolf


 Thibouille wrote:
  Graywolf, your pictures look OK with your R200 or it isn't even worth
  thinking about it?
 
  Maybe sending my files to a good lab would better? I'm not really
  confident in colour rendition from labs.
 

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Re: OT - Fiberoptics, anyone?

2007-08-22 Thread Toine
Why not. If you have the fibers you could try this.
Much easier would be two 360 with diffusors on a flash bracket
(novoflex or manfrotto).

Another option I want to test are daylight high power leds. On ebay
led ringlights can be found. I have found several cheap and very
compact led flashlights. combine 4 of these and the result is a led
ringlight.

On 8/22/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's a question for the technically curious.

 Do you think it will be worthwhile to use fibre optics to lead light
 from an ordinary flash (eg. Pentax 540 FGZ) into various
 configurations for macro flash purposes?

 I can't get the idea out of my mind, and probably need some healthy
 counter-arguments... :-)

 The pros I can see are:

 There is no P-TTL-enabled macro flash for Pentax. Using fibre optics
 with an ordinary flash could provide this.

 Theoretically, one should lose far less light per distance through
 fibres than the inverse square law that applies through air. So
 leading the light to where the motif is could allow for flash light
 with a very reasonable GN.

 Using thin fibres in slim cables, eg. 20 fibres in Ø 5mm cables, the
 individual cables are flexible and can be arranged in many
 configurations. Ring flash can be simulated, as well as setups more
 weighted to the sides.

 Optic fibres are lightweight, and will not place much extra weight or
 bulk at the front of the lens. Contraptions for attaching the fibres
 not considered, of course, but how bulky can they get?

 On the con side, I see that the 5mm cables probably have to be bundled
 by a professional towards the flash. I believe it's only possible to
 construct circular bundles, so a part of the flash output may not be
 shunted into the optic fibre. But at the moment, this is not at all
 enough to stop me from thinking about this...:-)

 Anyone have better counter-arguments?

 Please? :-)

 Btw, I know that Novoflex has a fibre optic solution for macro flash,
 but that's not what I'm thinking of. The Novoflex unit is a large,
 bulky adaptor that looks more like a microscope light source for the
 lab than a portable field solution.

 Cheers,
 Jostein

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LED rings (was Re: OT - Fiberoptics, anyone?)

2007-08-22 Thread AlunFoto
I bought a Digislave 6400 from BH just a week and a half ago. Mfg.
website here:
http://www.srelectronics.com/fr6400.html

It's alledgedly very powerful, but not at all in the league of
ordinary ring flashes.

Not really useful for insects, imho.

Did a write-up in my blog on the same issue the other day.
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/

Jostein


2007/8/22, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Why not. If you have the fibers you could try this.
 Much easier would be two 360 with diffusors on a flash bracket
 (novoflex or manfrotto).

 Another option I want to test are daylight high power leds. On ebay
 led ringlights can be found. I have found several cheap and very
 compact led flashlights. combine 4 of these and the result is a led
 ringlight.

 On 8/22/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here's a question for the technically curious.
 
  Do you think it will be worthwhile to use fibre optics to lead light
  from an ordinary flash (eg. Pentax 540 FGZ) into various
  configurations for macro flash purposes?
 
  I can't get the idea out of my mind, and probably need some healthy
  counter-arguments... :-)
 
  The pros I can see are:
 
  There is no P-TTL-enabled macro flash for Pentax. Using fibre optics
  with an ordinary flash could provide this.
 
  Theoretically, one should lose far less light per distance through
  fibres than the inverse square law that applies through air. So
  leading the light to where the motif is could allow for flash light
  with a very reasonable GN.
 
  Using thin fibres in slim cables, eg. 20 fibres in Ø 5mm cables, the
  individual cables are flexible and can be arranged in many
  configurations. Ring flash can be simulated, as well as setups more
  weighted to the sides.
 
  Optic fibres are lightweight, and will not place much extra weight or
  bulk at the front of the lens. Contraptions for attaching the fibres
  not considered, of course, but how bulky can they get?
 
  On the con side, I see that the 5mm cables probably have to be bundled
  by a professional towards the flash. I believe it's only possible to
  construct circular bundles, so a part of the flash output may not be
  shunted into the optic fibre. But at the moment, this is not at all
  enough to stop me from thinking about this...:-)
 
  Anyone have better counter-arguments?
 
  Please? :-)
 
  Btw, I know that Novoflex has a fibre optic solution for macro flash,
  but that's not what I'm thinking of. The Novoflex unit is a large,
  bulky adaptor that looks more like a microscope light source for the
  lab than a portable field solution.
 
  Cheers,
  Jostein
 
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Re: PESO - My New Wheels

2007-08-22 Thread David Mann
On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:16 AM, John Francis wrote:

 All this, and 21 speeds, for only a little
 more than I had to pay for a bike rack that fits on the Z4 :-(

Is that all? ;)

 Even with suspension forks it still weighs less than my last bike.

I'm not surprised... the weight of bikes has been steadily tumbling  
in recent years if you're prepared to pay the money.  Steel is for  
freaks these days, carbon is the new hotness.

My main trail bike is relatively heavy so it's a bit harder to get  
uphill... but it's so much fun on the trails that I don't mind the  
extra pain.

- Dave (had a good night-ride today)


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OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
For those who frequent DPReview:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

I thought it was pretty neat.

Cheers,

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Re: Developing film

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
Ha yes, i forgot.

More nectar next year.LOL

Dave

On 8/21/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,
 No, I saw Norm a year ago with an old 6x7 shooting black  white at GFM.
 Norm is like a hummingbird, flitting around all the time.
 You guys just didn't stock enough 'golden nectar' to attract him.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On 8/21/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 8/21/07, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Oh, it's just that stuff you use to take pictures.  You should try it
   some time.  Photography, I mean.
 
  Know that i think of it, i never see Norm at GFM with a camera. You
  sure you're supposed to be on this list.:-)
 
  Dave
  
   rg2
  
   On 8/21/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Film? What's film?
  
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Re: Developing film (Rebekah)

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
On 8/21/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did somebody say Atlanta?  You know, I was just there...
 By the way, the Falcon's cheerleaders were happy to see me tonight :)
 (I fixed their CD player so they could practice)

Is that a CD in your pocket or:-)

Dave

 I just had five rolls of film processed at Wolf...  Film is an expensive
 endeavor.

 Cory

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 Subject: Re: Developing film (Rebekah)


  Looks like I have an E6 lab around the corner in Atlanta - although
  I'm nervous about mailing film, the temperature here is edging toward
  the triple digits.  I'll drive it over myself some time and try them
  out, but I may save up for a film scanner like you and other have
  suggested.  Thanks for the advice!
 
  rg2
 
  On 8/21/07, Matt Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yeah, had to look on the web for the nearest E6 labs.  I live a couple
  hours from the twin cities, which is the closest city with
  professional labs. Roll of 120 were very reasonabley priced a $5 to
  develop.  I know they offered high res scanning but i just use a film
  scanner and do it myself.
 
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   Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:47:25 -0400
   From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Developing film
   To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
  
   Thanks scott
  
   What awesome information, I'll definitely look around where I am for a
   local store, although it seems like a doubtful situation.  Have you
   ever tried sending your film out to online developing/scanning
   services?
  
   rg2
  
   On 8/21/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rebekah wrote:
 Hey all

 Been reading but not talking for a while, but surprise! I'm still
 here.  Pug this month was awesome, some of those pictures were
 beautiful and it's always neat to see what people find interesting
 enough to photograph.  Anyways, I'm sure this has already been
 asked,
 but I didn't see it in the archives:


 Aside from doing it myself, where's the best place to develop film?
 What about film scanning, any recommendations?  It seems like the
 photo cd's I've been getting with my pictures are about the same
 quality as the crummy photos I snap with my phone.


 Thanks in advance guys :o)

 rg2


Sounds like you need to find a lab with some scanning options.  I've
had
horrible luck with most of the lower cost (in house) mini-labs, like
Wal-Mart, Target, etc.  First Look Photo in Hagerstown, MD did a
wonderful job and offered several resolution options with scanning.
After moving to Harrisburg and trying a few independent shops I gave
up.  They all offered hi-res scans, but they weren't much better
than
Wally World.  In my limited experience it's hit or miss.  And if you
find a good one, hope they don't close their doors next week.
   
You really might be better off getting yourself a dedicated 35mm film
scanner and doing it yourself.
   
As far as processing goes, if you can't find a decent local lab, you
might try the send-out service through Wal-mart.  It goes to a Fuji
lab.  More often than not the results have been pretty good, and
significantly better than the one hour service in the store.
   
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Re: Developing film (Rebekah)

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
On 8/21/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did somebody say Atlanta?  You know, I was just there...
 By the way, the Falcon's cheerleaders were happy to see me tonight :)
 (I fixed their CD player so they could practice)

 I just had five rolls of film processed at Wolf...  Film is an expensive
 endeavor.


It sure is expensive, but for me it's a cash flow thing - I don't
really have the capacity to stop taking pictures long enough to save
up for the digital camera I want, and also I think film produces
better pictures.  So it's film for me!

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
On 8/21/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Highlight moment from the return drive today was seeing a place in West
 Virginia that billed itself as the Oasis Diner and Adult Video. (My
 suggested slogan: Your one-stop shop for grits and tits.)


MARK.

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Re: Film streaks

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
On 8/21/07, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which one came first, the streaked one or the clean one?  If the clean
 one, then its entirely possible that the leak developed after that
 first roll.  Take a look at the camera and make sure that any seals,
 foams, etc are correctly in place.


the last roll of film taken in the camera was the streaky one.  I
bought it seperately the other day, and it didn't expire for another
year, and I bought, shot, and developed it within 48 hours.  My camera
looks ok, but I'm going to put a piece of tape over the hole that
displays the film type and hope that solves the problem.

Sounds like what I see when someone brings in one of those disposable
cameras and they've left it in the glove-box of the car for a couple of
days. It's where heat's damaged the emulsion.

This is actually a possible problem because where I live is rather
hot, except that I can't think of any time that the film would have
gotten warm while I had it.  If heat was the cause, it may have
happened back when it was transported.  Overall, I suspect (or perhaps
hope) it was just a bad roll of film.

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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
What the old Soviet Union wouldn't have given for such technology. No 
persons disappear without a trace...

David Savage wrote:
 For those who frequent DPReview:

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

 I thought it was pretty neat.

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
As this is my only income for now.:-)

I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)

Dave

On 8/21/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Spent a few days down in N.C. with my SO Lisa and her friends from
 Winston-Salem. Went to the Grandfather Mountain Camera Clinic and saw
 many of the Usual Suspects there. Unfortunately, I was trying to do two
 things at once -- attend the Camera Clinic and fulfill social
 obligations with the SO and her friends -- so I naturally succeeded in
 doing neither very well. Still, I did get quite a bit accomplished and
 Lisa did get to meet Doug Brewer and Don Nelson (and a couple of other
 regulars).

 I shot quite a bit while down there, though I don't think I got any
 portfolio material; mostly documentary shots for a project I'm working
 on. Took a few hunderd photos with the DA*16-50/2.8 and I'll try to get
 some online tomorrow. I'm tentatively very impressed with the lens.
 (We'll see for certain how good it is when I have a chance to examine
 the images in detail.) One thing I haven't seen mentioned much yet is
 the very nice minimum focussing distance of under one foot. At 50mm
 this is very handy indeed. Really makes it a viable lens for a one-lens
 walkabout kit, for which I've always preferred primes in the past.

 Lisa and I did one tough hike on Sunday and another on Monday. My legs
 are really feeling it now but we tried one GFM trail we'd never been on
 before (the Cragway Trail) and found it has the best views on the
 mountain. Next to the upper half of the Profile Trail it's the toughest
 trail on the mountain -- far more strenuous than the Grandfather Trail
 on the top -- but well worth it for the scenery.

 Highlight moment from the return drive today was seeing a place in West
 Virginia that billed itself as the Oasis Diner and Adult Video. (My
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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On 8/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
 falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
 As this is my only income for now.:-)

 I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)

You 'n me next year, Dave.

YART (Yet Another Road Trip).

cheers,
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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Steve Desjardins
Maybe I would adapt, but for me most situations are either too fast to
be checking the LCD or slow enough to just pop off a few shots and look.
 I usually check the histogram once I get in a new lighting situation or
if I think the meter can't handle it. I have the enlarge button set to
the max so I can check AF if that's an issue.  Mostly, however, I want
to spend my time looking through that nice optical viewfinder I paid so
much money to get.  I've used EVF cameras and they work fine for
everything except MF.  I guess if you had a continuous histogram on the
LCD you could easily sneak a peek and b sure about your exposure but
that could also be one more thing to obsess over.  Maybe a tiny
histogram in the corner of the viewfinder?

I also wonder how the batteries would hold up.

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:

Highlight moment from the return drive today was seeing a place in West 
Virginia that billed itself as the Oasis Diner and Adult Video. (My 
suggested slogan: Your one-stop shop for grits and tits.)

You DID take a photo I hope!

Sorry - I was driving. (Good thing, too: If Lisa had been at the wheel 
when I made that remark we might have ended up in the ditch!)


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PESO - Corner Kick (crop)

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On Godfrey's suggestion, I took a bit off the top, which I think is
a subtle improvement:

http://tinyurl.com/2v23hv

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RswmDF2ieEI/Al4/Yci_xbj4DTw/s1600-h/claire_soccer_22+003.jpg

Here's the original:

http://tinyurl.com/3ypt4o

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rsrc6V2id_I/AlQ/wbVrJkexJBo/s1600-h/claire_soccer+005.jpg

I don't expect a lot of comments (since many of you were kind enough
to comment on yesterday's), but if you feel so compelled, I'll be
happy to entertain your thoughts.

;-)

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Re: PESO: Day's End

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
On 8/21/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/18/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_030.htm

 Stunning!

 Absolutely stunning...

Thanks Frank.

Cheers,

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On 8/21/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Highlight moment from the return drive today was seeing a place in West
 Virginia that billed itself as the Oasis Diner and Adult Video. (My
 suggested slogan: Your one-stop shop for grits and tits.)

Was it anywhere near a Friends of Coal billboard?

I love West Virginia.  I'm not sure about that almost heaven bit,
but I love it!

;-)

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/21/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Highlight moment from the return drive today was seeing a place in West
  Virginia that billed itself as the Oasis Diner and Adult Video. (My
  suggested slogan: Your one-stop shop for grits and tits.)

 Was it anywhere near a Friends of Coal billboard?

 I love West Virginia.  I'm not sure about that almost heaven bit,
 but I love it!

Love those tunnels

Dave

 ;-)

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
  falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
  As this is my only income for now.:-)
 
  I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)

 You 'n me next year, Dave.

I'm hoping, you bet.

Still waiting, its been a month now, for the MTO to say yes or no to
my drivers physical. I have checked with the bus company and as long
as i give them enough notice to find a spare it should be ok to do GFM
in 2008.

Now i just have to get the job. They hand out the routes from Aug
27-29. If i don't hear back by then, i'm out of luck with them for a
while anyway.

Dave

 YART (Yet Another Road Trip).

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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread David J Brooks
Well done on both Paul.

Love is good.:-)

Dave

On 8/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The CEO of the agency I'm working for owns a 1955 Chrysler 300C -- a
 perfect 300C. Last Saturday at the Dream Cruise I was hanging out in
 a parking lot and watching the cars drive by when I spotted the big
 guy's 300C coming down Woodward. I attempted a pan, but the car was
 moving very slowly, and I couldn't get a shutter speed slower than
 1/30th in the hazy sunlight. (Should have had an ND filter mounted.)
 Anyway, I got a halfway decent pic but without any sense of speed and
 way too much detail in the background. What's worse, the hood was
 burned out and blending into a white car in another lane. So I
 PhotoShopped it. Here are the original and the retouched version for
 comparison. I made him a print. He loves it. Since I'm a day-to-day
 contract worker, love is a good thing.  ISO 100, f22 @1/30th DA
 17-45/4 at 24mm.


 Original:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333097size=lg

 Retouched:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg

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GESO - Proud Papa

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
Nothing nearly as interesting as Corner Kick, but here are a few shots
of my daughter Claire, at her weekend soccer tournament.  No one
wins - they just play three games, and everyone gets a medal.

It's all for fun, which I like a lot.

http://tinyurl.com/2djpqy

http://tinyurl.com/23p5or

http://tinyurl.com/yvd99n

Claire's #5:

http://tinyurl.com/2dhvk3

She's bottom left in this team photo:

http://tinyurl.com/29aero

And, bottom right in this team photo:

http://tinyurl.com/ysfyva

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On 8/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
 falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
 As this is my only income for now.:-)

 I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)
   
 You 'n me next year, Dave.

 YART (Yet Another Road Trip).
 

 You guy's up for making a detour to pick up another?

 Cheers,

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If you buy the gas.  ;)

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
  falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
  As this is my only income for now.:-)
 
  I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)

 You 'n me next year, Dave.

 YART (Yet Another Road Trip).

You guy's up for making a detour to pick up another?

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On 8/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The CEO of the agency I'm working for owns a 1955 Chrysler 300C -- a
 perfect 300C. Last Saturday at the Dream Cruise I was hanging out in
 a parking lot and watching the cars drive by when I spotted the big
 guy's 300C coming down Woodward. I attempted a pan, but the car was
 moving very slowly, and I couldn't get a shutter speed slower than
 1/30th in the hazy sunlight. (Should have had an ND filter mounted.)
 Anyway, I got a halfway decent pic but without any sense of speed and
 way too much detail in the background. What's worse, the hood was
 burned out and blending into a white car in another lane. So I
 PhotoShopped it. Here are the original and the retouched version for
 comparison. I made him a print. He loves it. Since I'm a day-to-day
 contract worker, love is a good thing.  ISO 100, f22 @1/30th DA
 17-45/4 at 24mm.


 Original:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333097size=lg

 Retouched:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg


The reworked shot looks much much better, but the original was a
pretty good photo to begin with...

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Re: PESO - My New Wheels

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On 8/22/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I'm not surprised... the weight of bikes has been steadily tumbling
 in recent years if you're prepared to pay the money.  Steel is for
 freaks these days, carbon is the new hotness.

 My main trail bike is relatively heavy so it's a bit harder to get
 uphill... but it's so much fun on the trails that I don't mind the
 extra pain.

 - Dave (had a good night-ride today)

Steel is for freaks?

Au contraire!

Columbus is making some steel tubesets that rival CF for weight.

http://www.columbustubi.com/eng/3_3.htm

To my mind, for the vast majority of users, steel is the best frame
alternative.  It's more compliant than aluminium (yet can be made very
stiff with double or even triple butting), and will last much longer
than either of CF and aluminium.  Professional road racers have new
frames available for each race, so longevity isn't an issue, but at
the weights they're racing (about 14.5 pounds for the full bike),
those things are much more fragile than one might imagine, and
failures do happen.  I'd shudder to think what might happen over
several months or years.

My road bike, while not particularly light (due mostly to crap
components - I could shave about 3 or 4 pounds quite easily) is
wonderfully stiff yet comfortable, with a frame that I know will last
me for many many years.

It may not be as sexy as CF or Ti or Aluminium, but I'll be riding
it for many years to come.

cheers,
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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
On 8/22/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David Savage wrote:
  On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You 'n me next year, Dave.
 
  You guy's up for making a detour to pick up another?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave
 
 
 If you buy the gas.  ;)

H

It'd probably be cheaper to fly. :-)

Cheers,

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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
With the capability of Live View and MF Assist, you have your choice  
to use what's appropriate when you want to, that's all. If you've  
never used a camera that has the facility, you can't know how it will  
be useful to you ... it is a paradigm shift.

Regards battery life:

The Panasonic L1 has a 1500 mAh rated battery. On a recent landscape  
shoot I used the camera on a tripod in Live View mode exclusively. I  
recorded about 650 exposures per fully charged battery. Without Live  
View enabled, I get about 750 exposures per charge. So it's fairly  
efficient on power management.

Godfrey

On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:10 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:

 Maybe I would adapt, but for me most situations are either too fast to
 be checking the LCD or slow enough to just pop off a few shots and  
 look.
  I usually check the histogram once I get in a new lighting  
 situation or
 if I think the meter can't handle it. I have the enlarge button set to
 the max so I can check AF if that's an issue.  Mostly, however, I want
 to spend my time looking through that nice optical viewfinder I  
 paid so
 much money to get.  I've used EVF cameras and they work fine for
 everything except MF.  I guess if you had a continuous histogram on  
 the
 LCD you could easily sneak a peek and b sure about your exposure but
 that could also be one more thing to obsess over.  Maybe a tiny
 histogram in the corner of the viewfinder?

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Re: Looking for a printer (mostly low-end)

2007-08-22 Thread Paul Sorenson
Atlex has the whole set for about $64+shipping

http://tinyurl.com/326xrg

-p

Scott Loveless wrote:
 graywolf wrote:
 My Epson R200 costs a hundred bucks to buy new Epson ink carts for 
 (locally). 

 -graywolf


   
 Holy cow!  If you have a Sam's Club or Costco nearby you should be able 
 to pick up a complete set, including the black cartridge, for about 
 $60.  Amazon sells the color pack and the black cartridge separately, 
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Re: Conceptual photography (was - Corner Kick)

2007-08-22 Thread Fernando
Your post summarizes this pretty well and probably explains my lack of
understanding for this kind of photography, I love the challenge of
presenting a message just with pictures, telling stories, and probably
that's why I find it easier to like photographs that show a way to
solve this puzzle: they are useful to me at this particular point for
my photography.

Tomorrow time will tell, to tell you the truth, I tried something that
might fit the concept of conceptual photography, but didn't feel I
could transmit my message with the photos, and your post just
clarifies that to me, I'm not expected to tell something just filling
up a frame, I can add words to the photos and combine both things as a
whole. Not my cup of tea now, maybe someday.

Nice to participate in a mature polite conversation ;-)

Cheers

Fernando

On 8/22/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One of the things you learn as you study art is that meaning is
 invariably tightly coupled with language and words. It is very very
 difficult to create intelligible meaning in pictures alone. A visual
 language of photographs that attempt to articulate specific meaning
 is subject to widely variant interpretation ... and those
 interpretations might or might not have anything to do with the
 intent of the photographer-artist who made them and presents them.
 However, there is a long tradition in photography of the 20th Century
 that the pictures should be able to tell their story by
 themselves ... the basis of the photojournalism that built Look and
 Life magazines rests on this type of imagic story telling. So there
 is a contention, a tension in this desire to have the images speak
 for themselves and the desire to understand the artist-photographer's
 intent in a meaningful way, which needs words and symbols to be
 conveyed.

 Emotional expression, on the other hand ... pictures/photographs/
 paintings/sculpture are very good at conveying emotional messages,
 based on the common psychology of human consciousness. Oh, a
 beautiful sunset reminds us of that warm evening with golden light
 in our own experiences. What a funny little boy that is reminds us
 of the goofyness when we played with our siblings, our cousins in the
 snow or the backyard as children. Oh my god, the horror that signal
 photograph of the My Lai Massacre from the Vietnam War so long ago
 resonates in our horror at man taking another man's live, cruelty and
 injustice, evil. Wow, look at that ball! in frank's recent
 photograph from the soccer field reveals to us the feeling of a
 sport, of activity and play. And so on. Images are emotional
 messengers triggering memory, feeling, sun, taste, touch ... all the
 things that words and meaning are so remote and abstract about.

 So we combine some words to articulate an intent, an artist's
 interest, and show some photos that codify the emotion of their
 vision. I look at this set of pieces of neglected spaces and I feel
 the sad moment of dissolution, of memories of grand times now gone,
 of furniture and rooms that people enjoyed, had arguments in, trysted
 in, and have left behind. They are static Things, locked in their
 existential time and space, a mute record of something that was and
 is passing if we let the soft sunlight and shadow of their
 dissolution affect us with an open emotion.

 Is the piece successful? did it raise an emotive moment for you,
 personally? or was it opaque, mute, unapproachable in your current
 state of mind? The set, right now, seems a little lacking in force
 and magnitude to me, but then looking at tiny representations on a
 low resolution screen is miles apart from what the prints, hung
 carefully with attention to the metre of the visual language and
 coupled with the spoken intent in words, might do. It might take more
 work, more effort, for me to become open enough to hear, feel what
 the photographer's intent was.

 Art is many things, but only rarely easy. One must become attuned to
 the metre of work, open to the messages it attempts, and it often
 needs work to translate the experience into substance, meaning,
 emotion and finally understanding: a shared experience with the
 artist. At that point you can say, ah hah, I get it, the artist was
 successful or no, this one missed.

 Godfrey


 On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Fernando wrote:

  To add some context: an example of what I think of when I say
  conceptual photography, http://aperture.org/store/s06pick-fisher.aspx
  (found it in another discussion)
 
  On 8/22/07, Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You are making strong points here Godfrey, and I agree with the fact
  that without intention there is no art, in the end all this
  discussion
  is about the process of how this intention is communicated from the
  artist to its audience. At least from me the critic goes to part of
  what is considered art photography (specifically part of conceptual
  photography) that demands the viewer to read the concept from a
  

Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Graywolf. And thanks to all who had a look. I thought some might opt for 
the original, but thus far no one had. Excellent.
Paul
 -- Original message --
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 That's a keeper.
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  
  Retouched:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg
 
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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 With the capability of Live View and MF Assist, you have your choice
 to use what's appropriate when you want to, that's all. If you've
 never used a camera that has the facility, you can't know how it will
 be useful to you ... it is a paradigm shift.

 Regards battery life:

 The Panasonic L1 has a 1500 mAh rated battery. On a recent landscape
 shoot I used the camera on a tripod in Live View mode exclusively. I
 recorded about 650 exposures per fully charged battery. Without Live
 View enabled, I get about 750 exposures per charge. So it's fairly
 efficient on power management.

 Godfrey

Not to pick nits here, but 1500mAh is not a measure of battery 
energy capacity unless the voltage is known.  It's similar to saying My 
car gets 35 miles per.  If the gallon are understood (e.g. AA NiMH 
chemistry), it's a good way of comparing similar products.  If it happens 
to be liter, quart, cup, barrel, etc, (e.g. multiple Lithium cells 
stacked together), its useless in comparing capacities.

-Cory

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Re: Film streaks

2007-08-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah 
Subject: Re: Film streaks



 This is actually a possible problem because where I live is rather
 hot, except that I can't think of any time that the film would have
 gotten warm while I had it.  If heat was the cause, it may have
 happened back when it was transported.  Overall, I suspect (or perhaps
 hope) it was just a bad roll of film.

Heat won't cause the type of problem you described.

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PESO - dam!

2007-08-22 Thread Mat Maessen
http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/roadtrip2007/IMGP1619.jpg.html

This is Fontana Dam, in NC, taken on the Monday after the GFM nature
photography weekend wrapped up. I was very much wishing I could have
borrowed Mark Roberts' 10-17 fisheye for the shot, but I did the best
with what I had with me. The light wasn't the best either, but I had
miles to cover before nightfall, so sticking around until sunset
wasn't an option.

DS2, 16-45 @16mm, adjusted and converted from raw in Lightroom.

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Re: OT - Fiberoptics, anyone?

2007-08-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: AlunFoto
Subject: OT - Fiberoptics, anyone?


Here's a question for the technically curious.

Do you think it will be worthwhile to use fibre optics to lead light
from an ordinary flash (eg. Pentax 540 FGZ) into various
configurations for macro flash purposes?

I can't get the idea out of my mind, and probably need some healthy
counter-arguments... :-)

The pros I can see are:

There is no P-TTL-enabled macro flash for Pentax. Using fibre optics
with an ordinary flash could provide this.

Theoretically, one should lose far less light per distance through
fibres than the inverse square law that applies through air. So
leading the light to where the motif is could allow for flash light
with a very reasonable GN.

Using thin fibres in slim cables, eg. 20 fibres in Ø 5mm cables, the
individual cables are flexible and can be arranged in many
configurations. Ring flash can be simulated, as well as setups more
weighted to the sides.

Optic fibres are lightweight, and will not place much extra weight or
bulk at the front of the lens. Contraptions for attaching the fibres
not considered, of course, but how bulky can they get?

On the con side, I see that the 5mm cables probably have to be bundled
by a professional towards the flash. I believe it's only possible to
construct circular bundles, so a part of the flash output may not be
shunted into the optic fibre. But at the moment, this is not at all
enough to stop me from thinking about this...:-)

Anyone have better counter-arguments?

Many, many years ago, I tried to make a fibre optic bundle for a light 
painting project. I aquired a couple of roll ends of fibre optic thread from 
a friend at the local telephone company (at the time, they were just 
starting to install the stuff in a big way for data transfer), and the 
biggest heat shrink tubing I could find.
I spent an afternoon cutting threads and packing them into the shrink 
tubing, and then I shrank the tube down to hold everything in place.
The thing definitely transferred light, but I didn't ever figure out a good 
way to attach the fiber optic to a light source.

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Re: Online theft

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
On 8/21/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 George Sinos wrote:

 Rebekah -
 
 This is an option on Smugmug.com
 

 I was about to write this, too --
 once you set your page up you can customize any gallery you make with
 right-click protection...
 I recently had occasion to see how nicely it worked, too.

 annsan
 dashing onto list for a minute


awesome, this looks like a nice price and decently priced.  Thanks so much

rg2

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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
fantastic work on photoshopping that picture, it looks awesome.  I'd
expect to see this in a car magazine, I'll be keeping an eye out for
your name in Car and Driver

rg2

On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Graywolf. And thanks to all who had a look. I thought some might opt 
 for the original, but thus far no one had. Excellent.
 Paul
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 From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  That's a keeper.
 
  Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  
   Retouched:
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg
 
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Re: PESO - dam!

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
I love the perspective on this, I've stood and looked down over a dam
like this many times but never thought to take a picture.  How clever,
and it's so nicely taken it makes me feel as if I might fall down!

rg2


On 8/22/07, Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/roadtrip2007/IMGP1619.jpg.html

 This is Fontana Dam, in NC, taken on the Monday after the GFM nature
 photography weekend wrapped up. I was very much wishing I could have
 borrowed Mark Roberts' 10-17 fisheye for the shot, but I did the best
 with what I had with me. The light wasn't the best either, but I had
 miles to cover before nightfall, so sticking around until sunset
 wasn't an option.

 DS2, 16-45 @16mm, adjusted and converted from raw in Lightroom.

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Re: PESO - dam!

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On 8/22/07, Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/roadtrip2007/IMGP1619.jpg.html

 This is Fontana Dam, in NC, taken on the Monday after the GFM nature
 photography weekend wrapped up. I was very much wishing I could have
 borrowed Mark Roberts' 10-17 fisheye for the shot, but I did the best
 with what I had with me. The light wasn't the best either, but I had
 miles to cover before nightfall, so sticking around until sunset
 wasn't an option.

 DS2, 16-45 @16mm, adjusted and converted from raw in Lightroom.


Would have been awesome with the fisheye, but it still works as is.

Cool shot!

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Re: OT - Fiberoptics, anyone?

2007-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/08/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's a question for the technically curious.

 Do you think it will be worthwhile to use fibre optics to lead light
 from an ordinary flash (eg. Pentax 540 FGZ) into various
 configurations for macro flash purposes?

 I can't get the idea out of my mind, and probably need some healthy
 counter-arguments... :-)

 The pros I can see are:

Probably quite feasible these days, there are plenty of cheap polymer
solutions, like the TOSLink optical cables for interconnection digital
audio equipment, it comes on big rolls. Or maybe something like this?

http://www.opticfibrelighting.com.au/product13.htm

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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss


 Thanks Graywolf. And thanks to all who had a look. I thought some might
 opt for the original, but thus far no one had. Excellent.

I preferred the original, though it would have been better if it had been 
done right in camera, but I am finding more and more that there is not much 
point in expressing contrary views on this forum, especially when it 
involves photographic techniques that can be fixed in Photoshop.

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Re: GESO - Proud Papa

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
I like that third one, where it looks as if she's about to kick the
ball.  You have a nice way of capturing action.

rg2


On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nothing nearly as interesting as Corner Kick, but here are a few shots
 of my daughter Claire, at her weekend soccer tournament.  No one
 wins - they just play three games, and everyone gets a medal.

 It's all for fun, which I like a lot.

 http://tinyurl.com/2djpqy

 http://tinyurl.com/23p5or

 http://tinyurl.com/yvd99n

 Claire's #5:

 http://tinyurl.com/2dhvk3

 She's bottom left in this team photo:

 http://tinyurl.com/29aero

 And, bottom right in this team photo:

 http://tinyurl.com/ysfyva

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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/08/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For those who frequent DPReview:

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

 I thought it was pretty neat.

Mmm, I don't know if I like that, much like some systems I had to deal
with in broadcast that made up and collapsed audio delays (required
for public live to air broadcasts).

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Re: PESO - Corner Kick (crop)

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
looks good!

rg2

On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Godfrey's suggestion, I took a bit off the top, which I think is
 a subtle improvement:

 http://tinyurl.com/2v23hv

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RswmDF2ieEI/Al4/Yci_xbj4DTw/s1600-h/claire_soccer_22+003.jpg

 Here's the original:

 http://tinyurl.com/3ypt4o

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rsrc6V2id_I/AlQ/wbVrJkexJBo/s1600-h/claire_soccer+005.jpg

 I don't expect a lot of comments (since many of you were kind enough
 to comment on yesterday's), but if you feel so compelled, I'll be
 happy to entertain your thoughts.

 ;-)

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Re: Developing film

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
On 8/21/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, if you're shooting C-41 and not doing any push/pull stuff, any
 of the mini-labs should be able to process the film adequately.

 It's really all automated, and there's very little they can do to mess
 it up, other than not notice you've handed them a roll of plus-X or
 Ektachrome ... and whose fault is that?

 Scanning  printing, OTOH, is something else.

 Most mini-labs are digital hybrid. Your film is scanned and the RA-4
 paper is exposed using lasers. The paper is then developed the regular
 old fashioned way. How good the print is depends on how dedicated the
 person running printer is; whether he does his control strips and setups
 diligently, maintains his chemistry properly and whether he knows what a
 good print looks like.

 The lab I run, you'll get a good print if you come there while I'm on
 duty. Wish I could say you'd get a good print whoever is on duty, but I
 can't.

 Mini-labs scan the film at whatever resolution is needed to give a good
 300 dpi print. I think the suggestion for a dedicated film scanner of
 your own is probably a good idea.

For sure, the last time I used special film I sent it to an online job
and make darn sure they knew what they were developing.  I tend to
agree, my picutres look farily decent wherever I get them developed
but sometimes a problem can occur (I recently had some developed near
my parents house and the contrast came out odd).  Mostly I wish I
could get photos scanned to digital with a nice quality, like I said,
the ones I get look so grainy I may as buy a digital point and shoot.

If you're going to say that you're good at developing film, please
tell me where you are so I can drop some off!  I have some color
negative film I've been hesitating to develop because I don't want it
messed up...

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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
For those who frequent DPReview:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

I thought it was pretty neat.

Cheers,

Dave


Dave-

that's just plain cool.

rg2

On 8/22/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 22/08/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  For those who frequent DPReview:
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp
 
  I thought it was pretty neat.

 Mmm, I don't know if I like that, much like some systems I had to deal
 with in broadcast that made up and collapsed audio delays (required
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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
On 8/22/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss


  Thanks Graywolf. And thanks to all who had a look. I thought some might
  opt for the original, but thus far no one had. Excellent.

 I preferred the original, though it would have been better if it had been
 done right in camera, but I am finding more and more that there is not much
 point in expressing contrary views on this forum, especially when it
 involves photographic techniques that can be fixed in Photoshop.

This is art man.

You do what's needed to communicate your message dude.

Cheers,

Dave


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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
Of course:-).
 -- Original message --
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss
 
 
  Thanks Graywolf. And thanks to all who had a look. I thought some might
  opt for the original, but thus far no one had. Excellent.
 
 I preferred the original, though it would have been better if it had been 
 done right in camera, but I am finding more and more that there is not much 
 point in expressing contrary views on this forum, especially when it 
 involves photographic techniques that can be fixed in Photoshop.
 
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Re: GESO - 1963 Impala

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
I really like the one with the dials, you've got an interesting
perspective on it.

rg2

On 8/21/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some nice angles there.

 Lovely car to.

 If you dont want to speed 22K here's one a bit cheaper.

 http://www.dealsonwheels.com/search/detail.aspx?id=90650

 Dave

 On 8/21/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  At lunch yesterday a block away from work.  Uncropped since my laptop has
  crashed and I'm using Irfanview and don't have time to mess with it.
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=355131
 
  Book value $27,000 but asking $22,500.
 
 
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Re: PESO -- Oldie

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
I like it!  Most car pictures are taken from the side or at a fancy
angle, but you've hit it dead on! grin

rg2

On 8/21/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another picture of an old VW from Stony Creek

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20oldie.html

 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 AL

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RE: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread Tom Cakalic
That's a nice shot. Way to butter up the boss!

Tom C.


From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:29:58 -0400

The CEO of the agency I'm working for owns a 1955 Chrysler 300C -- a
perfect 300C. Last Saturday at the Dream Cruise I was hanging out in
a parking lot and watching the cars drive by when I spotted the big
guy's 300C coming down Woodward. I attempted a pan, but the car was
moving very slowly, and I couldn't get a shutter speed slower than
1/30th in the hazy sunlight. (Should have had an ND filter mounted.)
Anyway, I got a halfway decent pic but without any sense of speed and
way too much detail in the background. What's worse, the hood was
burned out and blending into a white car in another lane. So I
PhotoShopped it. Here are the original and the retouched version for
comparison. I made him a print. He loves it. Since I'm a day-to-day
contract worker, love is a good thing.  ISO 100, f22 @1/30th DA
17-45/4 at 24mm.


Original:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333097size=lg

Retouched:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg

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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Joseph Tainter
  A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder
  anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little
  TV screen on the back.

Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much the
same reason the K10D screen based menu settings are less appealing in
a country where sunlight is abundant and clouds are sparse.

Rob Studdert

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Much of photographic display technology in recent decades has left out 
those of us who live and shoot in sunny places. I find in-viewfinder 
displays useless for much of my daylight shooting. I'm sure it doesn't 
help that I wear glasses.

Camera companies should send their display designers to live in the 
Sahara, or some such place, and make them wear glasses whether they need 
to or not.

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:

   
 I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
 falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
 As this is my only income for now.:-)

 I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)
 

 Quite. The first mile of the Profile Trail is so easy that almost 
 anyone can do it. The upper half is the most strenuous trail on the 
 mountain.

 BTW: My new favorite trail on GFM is the Cragway Trail. Almost as 
 strenuous as Profile but much shorter and with spectacular views.


   
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Re: PESO 2007 - 35a - GDG

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
that's neat looking, almost like a battle between lights.  Maybe you
can incorporate it into a series about lights?  Dunno :o)

rg2

On 8/21/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/21/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Not entirely sure where this photograph fits into current work, but
  maybe it is for some new future set ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/35a.htm
 
  Comments, critique, and soft fruits always appreciated.
 
  enjoy

 Cool!

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
As this is my only income for now.:-)

I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)

Quite. The first mile of the Profile Trail is so easy that almost 
anyone can do it. The upper half is the most strenuous trail on the 
mountain.

BTW: My new favorite trail on GFM is the Cragway Trail. Almost as 
strenuous as Profile but much shorter and with spectacular views.


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Re: PESO - Corner Kick (crop)

2007-08-22 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 On Godfrey's suggestion, I took a bit off the top, which I think is
 a subtle improvement:

 http://tinyurl.com/2v23hv

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RswmDF2ieEI/Al4/Yci_xbj4DTw/s1600-h/claire_soccer_22+003.jpg

 Here's the original:

 http://tinyurl.com/3ypt4o

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rsrc6V2id_I/AlQ/wbVrJkexJBo/s1600-h/claire_soccer+005.jpg

 I don't expect a lot of comments (since many of you were kind enough
 to comment on yesterday's), but if you feel so compelled, I'll be
 happy to entertain your thoughts.

 ;-)

 cheers,
 frank

   
Took me a while, but I think I like the crop better.  BTW, I also really 
like the contrast in these photos.  Did you do anything with that, or is 
it pretty much out of the camera?

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Re: Conceptual photography (was - Corner Kick)

2007-08-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/21/2007 1:17:40 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know, you make a  valid point, but then, I think that some of
our best pieces of art are  produced with years of experience but are
done well enough to be liked and  enjoyed by people without the same
knowledge.  Certainly everyone has  the capacity to enjoy great art,
but can we all produce  it?

rg2

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Yes, No.

The best art is the most  universal art. Any artist learns this right away in 
their first drawing/painting  classes. (I did.) Ergo, someone else can look 
at it and get it. 

The  more personal the POV in a piece of art -- maybe it's more interesting 
-- but  the receptive audience is cut down in direct proportion to how personal 
the POV  gets (take surrealism). Actually, this applies to all things, 
including  photography and writing, etc.

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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 23/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm one of ten winners in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo Contest. My 
 winning entry is a pic of my own '55 Chevy in front of a diner on Woodward. 
 It's been seen here before. I shot it several years ago with the 6x7 and 
 Pentax SMC 300/4. You can access all the contest winners here: 
 http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/index.cfm

Congrats Paul, that is a great shot and it was first up on the page too ;-)

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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Rob. 
 -- Original message --
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 23/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm one of ten winners in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo Contest. My 
 winning entry is a pic of my own '55 Chevy in front of a diner on Woodward. 
 It's 
 been seen here before. I shot it several years ago with the 6x7 and Pentax 
 SMC 
 300/4. You can access all the contest winners here: 
 http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/index.cfm
 
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Re: PESO - Corner Kick (crop)

2007-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
Yep. Works for me. Now I find that the cropped kicker is more a plus than a 
minus. Good work.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 looks good!
 
 rg2
 
 On 8/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Godfrey's suggestion, I took a bit off the top, which I think is
  a subtle improvement:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/2v23hv
 
  
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RswmDF2ieEI/Al4/Yci_xbj4DTw/s1600-h/
 claire_soccer_22+003.jpg
 
  Here's the original:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/3ypt4o
 
  
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rsrc6V2id_I/AlQ/wbVrJkexJBo/s1600-h/
 claire_soccer+005.jpg
 
  I don't expect a lot of comments (since many of you were kind enough
  to comment on yesterday's), but if you feel so compelled, I'll be
  happy to entertain your thoughts.
 
  ;-)
 
  cheers,
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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Hum, that doesn't mean exactly what I think it meant. (To paraphrase the 
Princess Bride).  I'll try again.

Non Persons disappear without a trace...

P. J. Alling wrote:
 What the old Soviet Union wouldn't have given for such technology. No 
 persons disappear without a trace...

 David Savage wrote:
   
 For those who frequent DPReview:

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

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Re: Bigma 50-500 vs 100-300 + 1.4x TC

2007-08-22 Thread Patrick Genovese
Hi Wendy,

Given that you own a 50-500 what is the effective maximum apterture at 400mm ?

I intend to shoot sports (usually in good light we are blessed with
that here).  and nature photography.  The down side of the 100-300 is
that to gain the 420mm focal length you have to fiddle with adding the
T/C which may not be practical in an action situation this means
that I will end up using it with the TC most of the time.

Regards

Patrick

On 8/21/07, wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have both of those lenses, but I don't have the TC to compare the
 quality difference if the 1.4x tc is used.
 I'm selling my 50-500 (posted here approx 2 weeks ago) as I don't need
 the reach.
 Also I find it a little large and unwieldy as it lengthens when zoomed
 out fully.

 Wendy

 On 8/19/07, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm going to be needing a long telezoom approx 400mm at the long end
  for nature photography ... the 50-500 seems to be very popular for
  this type of photography. How does it compare with 100-300 + 1.4x TC
  combo ?
 
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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
Very interesting.  Thanks for pointing it out.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2007, 4:08:01 AM, you wrote:

DS For those who frequent DPReview:

DS http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

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Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
I'm one of ten winners in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo Contest. My 
winning entry is a pic of my own '55 Chevy in front of a diner on Woodward. 
It's been seen here before. I shot it several years ago with the 6x7 and Pentax 
SMC 300/4. You can access all the contest winners here: 
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Re: Bigma 50-500 vs 100-300 + 1.4x TC

2007-08-22 Thread Patrick Genovese
Hi Bruce,

Does the fact that the lens is reporting the wrong focal length render
the S/R system on the K10D useless ?

I can't see myself inputting the focal length everytime I zoom
especially if i;m following action (sports/nature).

Regards

Patrick

On 8/20/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I kind of doubt that very many people have both lenses to compare
 with.  When you say the 100-300 - I have to assume that you are
 meaning the Sigma 100-300/4 EX lens.  If so, I have that lens and can
 give you a one sided report.  I also have the Sigma 1.4X EX TC and
 have used it many times with the lens.

 First of all, the TC attached does not adjust the focal length
 transmitted to the body - it is just as if there was no TC there.  So
 if zoomed to 250mm that is what gets trasmitted - TC or not.

 My reading and viewing of information indicates to me that the
 100-300/4 is a better lens than the 50-500.  One would guess that at a
 similar price the shorter zoom range would be optically better.  Also
 it is f4 throughout the zoom range where the 50-500 is a variable
 aperture changing as you zoom.

 I was looking at this very issue when I got my lens and it really came
 down to how often would I be out towards the 500mm end.  The only time
 the 50-500 has any advantage is when you are at the long end.  The
 100-300/4 is faster and arguably has better optical quality.  Putting
 the 1.4 on causes some losses.  First, you are now at F5.6, second
 there is a slight contrast loss (can be made up in PP), third is
 focusing - I can tell the difference in speed and locking on to
 subject with and without the TC.

 The 100-300/4 can be shot wide open and net excellent images - don't really
 know if the 50-500 is good wide open.

 So for me, it came down to speed and optical quality.  I decided that
 the 50-500 was too slow for a good percentage of my shots.  If you
 would be spending most of your time zoomed out beyond 300mm, then the
 50-500 might be the better choice, otherwise I think the 100-300/4 EX
 is the better lens.

 As far as ruggedness, I have shot somewhere between 20,000-25,000
 images with that lens (making it the most used lens I have) and it has
 held up.


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 Sunday, August 19, 2007, 10:26:19 AM, you wrote:

 PG I'm going to be needing a long telezoom approx 400mm at the long end
 PG for nature photography ... the 50-500 seems to be very popular for
 PG this type of photography. How does it compare with 100-300 + 1.4x TC
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Re: PESO: 'Shopping for the Boss

2007-08-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/21/2007 6:31:22 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The CEO of the agency  I'm working for owns a 1955 Chrysler 300C -- a  
perfect 300C. Last  Saturday at the Dream Cruise I was hanging out in  
a parking lot and  watching the cars drive by when I spotted the big  
guy's 300C coming  down Woodward. I attempted a pan, but the car was  
moving very slowly,  and I couldn't get a shutter speed slower than  
1/30th in the hazy  sunlight. (Should have had an ND filter mounted.)  
Anyway, I got a  halfway decent pic but without any sense of speed and  
way too much  detail in the background. What's worse, the hood was  
burned out and  blending into a white car in another lane. So I  
PhotoShopped it. Here  are the original and the retouched version for  
comparison. I made him  a print. He loves it. Since I'm a day-to-day  
contract worker, love is  a good thing.  ISO 100, f22 @1/30th DA  
17-45/4 at  24mm.


Original:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333097size=lg

Retouched:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6333104size=lg

Paul


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Re: PESO -- Oldie

2007-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I often do a style of car photo that could be called Mugshot.

Rebekah wrote:
 I like it!  Most car pictures are taken from the side or at a fancy
 angle, but you've hit it dead on! grin

 rg2

 On 8/21/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Another picture of an old VW from Stony Creek

 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20oldie.html

 Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 AL

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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Congratulations, Paul!
G

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 I'm one of ten winners in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo  
 Contest. My winning entry is a pic of my own '55 Chevy in front of  
 a diner on Woodward. It's been seen here before. I shot it several  
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Re: GESO - Five Lined Skink

2007-08-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/19/2007 7:07:45 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I finally managed to  get a few shots of a five lined skink earlier this 
week. I put together a  series of shots and some narration describing the 
stalking involved in the  effort. One good shots but some otherwise 
interesting ones.

The  images are  here:

http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/stream/stream08.htm

And  the full story is  here:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php?title=five_lined_skinkmore=1
c=1tb=1pb=1

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Re: PESO - dam!

2007-08-22 Thread P. J. Alling
This would be more vertigo inducing if it were bigger...
I'm not sure a fisheye would improve it that much, but a wider angle, 
say 12mm might.

Mat Maessen wrote:
 http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/roadtrip2007/IMGP1619.jpg.html

 This is Fontana Dam, in NC, taken on the Monday after the GFM nature
 photography weekend wrapped up. I was very much wishing I could have
 borrowed Mark Roberts' 10-17 fisheye for the shot, but I did the best
 with what I had with me. The light wasn't the best either, but I had
 miles to cover before nightfall, so sticking around until sunset
 wasn't an option.

 DS2, 16-45 @16mm, adjusted and converted from raw in Lightroom.

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OT: buy a barn ...

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My buddy Sam Solomon sent me this. Fun to look through and imagine ...

G

Begin forwarded message:


   Subject:  Car found in barn



   A New York man retired. He wanted to use his retirement  
 money wisely, so it would last, and decided to buy a home and a  
 few acres in Portugal.

   The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15yrs.; the owner  
 and wife both had died, and there were no heirs.

   The house was sold to pay taxes.
   There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel  
 doors, and they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the  
 extra expense to see what was in the barn, and it wasn't  
 complimentary to the property anyway..so, nobody made an offer  
 on the place.

   The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's  
 worth, moved in, and set about to tear in to the  
 barn...curiosity was killing him.

   So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of  
 grinders...and cut thru the welds.

 What was in the barn...?

 Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm

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Re: PESO - Corner Kick (crop)

2007-08-22 Thread Eactivist
Yes, better. Good shot, on the whole, sports  shots don't do much for me, but 
I like the way the others are all watching that  ball come toward them.

Marnie
==

On Godfrey's  suggestion, I took a bit off the top, which I think is
a subtle  improvement:

http://tinyurl.com/2v23hv

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RswmDF2ieEI/Al4/Y
ci_xbj4DTw/s1600-h/claire_soccer_22+003.jpg

Here's  the  original:

http://tinyurl.com/3ypt4o

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rsrc6V2id_I/AlQ/wbVrJkexJBo/s1600-
h/claire_soccer+005.jpg

I  don't expect a lot of comments (since many of you were kind enough
to comment  on yesterday's), but if you feel so compelled, I'll be
happy to entertain  your  thoughts.

;-)

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Re: PESO - dam!

2007-08-22 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:56, Mat Maessen wrote:

 http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/roadtrip2007/IMGP1619.jpg.html

 This is Fontana Dam, in NC, taken on the Monday after the GFM nature
 photography weekend wrapped up.

Neat perspective.  I've never been to that dam in broad daylight -  
seems it's always been right after sunset, with the resultant  
complete lack of decent lighting for a picture.

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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread Rebekah
congratulations!  That photograph is beautiful, I love the colors.

rg2

On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Rob.
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 From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On 23/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm one of ten winners in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo Contest. My
  winning entry is a pic of my own '55 Chevy in front of a diner on Woodward. 
  It's
  been seen here before. I shot it several years ago with the 6x7 and Pentax 
  SMC
  300/4. You can access all the contest winners here:
  http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/index.cfm
 
  Congrats Paul, that is a great shot and it was first up on the page too ;-)
 
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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On 22/08/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For those who frequent DPReview:

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/ 
 0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp

Fascinating ideas, but I would be pissed if someone applied that kind  
of resizing to one of my careful compositions...

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Some quick monitor info

2007-08-22 Thread Paul Sorenson
It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to 
exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem.  If I 
were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for?

Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some 
shopping this afternoon.

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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:

   Not to pick nits here, but 1500mAh is not a measure of battery
 energy capacity unless the voltage is known.  It's similar to  
 saying My
 car gets 35 miles per.  If the gallon are understood (e.g. AA NiMH
 chemistry), it's a good way of comparing similar products.  If it  
 happens
 to be liter, quart, cup, barrel, etc, (e.g. multiple Lithium cells
 stacked together), its useless in comparing capacities.

You excel at picking nits.

It's unimportant, Cory. What's important is that the differential  
between shooting with the Live View enabled vs the optical finder  
alone is not that enormous. If the minutiae of the battery  
specification is that important to you, you could have looked it up  
easily: The Panasonic takes a CGR-S603A battery, 7.2V, rated 1500 mAh.

For comparison sake, the Pentax K10D's supplied LI50 battery is 7.4V,  
rated 1700 mAh. My current records show that I get an average around  
925 exposures per full charge with it.

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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

 A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a  
 viewfinder
 anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the  
 little
 TV screen on the back.

 Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much  
 the
 same reason the K10D screen based menu settings are less appealing in
 a country where sunlight is abundant and clouds are sparse.

 Much of photographic display technology in recent decades has left out
 those of us who live and shoot in sunny places. I find in-viewfinder
 displays useless for much of my daylight shooting. I'm sure it doesn't
 help that I wear glasses.

 Camera companies should send their display designers to live in the
 Sahara, or some such place, and make them wear glasses whether they  
 need
 to or not.

Just like using a medium format camera with a waist level finder or a  
view finder, the sensible thing to do is to use some kind of shade or  
hood to promote a better view of the viewfinder when in situations  
that require it. All this fuss over something that is just common  
sense... Shade the LCD with your hand if the sun is hitting it and  
you need it to see what you're doing, and don't have a proper shade.  
Sheesh.

I'd rather have a decent sized LCD and carry a shade than look  
through the smarmy little warped, distorted, peephole sight that they  
call an optical finder on most of todays compact cameras. :-\ Those  
things are a complete waste of time ... not a one of them comes up  
the quality of even the simple viewfinder on my Rollei 35.

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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/22/2007 8:23:55 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm one of ten winners  in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo Contest. My 
winning entry is a pic of my  own '55 Chevy in front of a diner on Woodward. 
It's been seen here before. I  shot it several years ago with the 6x7 and 
Pentax 
SMC 300/4. You can access all  the contest winners here:  
http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/index.cfm

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Re: Conceptual photography (was - Corner Kick)

2007-08-22 Thread graywolf
This again, does it have to be good to be art? Personally I believe the intent 
of the artist, good or bad is what makes something art. The question then 
becomes not Is it art, but Is it good art?

OTOH, if the all pretentious critics insist it is art, when the producer had no 
such intention, then they are just a bunch of quacks quacking.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 8/21/2007 1:17:40 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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 I don't know, you make a  valid point, but then, I think that some of
 our best pieces of art are  produced with years of experience but are
 done well enough to be liked and  enjoyed by people without the same
 knowledge.  Certainly everyone has  the capacity to enjoy great art,
 but can we all produce  it?
 
 rg2
 
 =
 Yes, No.
 
 The best art is the most  universal art. Any artist learns this right away in 
 their first drawing/painting  classes. (I did.) Ergo, someone else can look 
 at it and get it. 
 
 The  more personal the POV in a piece of art -- maybe it's more interesting 
 -- but  the receptive audience is cut down in direct proportion to how 
 personal 
 the POV  gets (take surrealism). Actually, this applies to all things, 
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Re: OT: buy a barn ...

2007-08-22 Thread pnstenquist
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. The guy who posted this isn't very fond of 
American cars, is he? :-)). One of the cars he labeled American barges 
appears to be a '64 Dodge. If it's one of the first hemi cars, it's worth at 
least a quarter million. And judging by the quality of the rest of the 
collection, I wouldn't be surprised if it was exactly that.
Paul
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 My buddy Sam Solomon sent me this. Fun to look through and imagine ...
 
 G
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 
Subject:  Car found in barn
 
 
 
A New York man retired. He wanted to use his retirement  
  money wisely, so it would last, and decided to buy a home and a  
  few acres in Portugal.
 
The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15yrs.; the owner  
  and wife both had died, and there were no heirs.
 
The house was sold to pay taxes.
There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel  
  doors, and they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the  
  extra expense to see what was in the barn, and it wasn't  
  complimentary to the property anyway..so, nobody made an offer  
  on the place.
 
The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's  
  worth, moved in, and set about to tear in to the  
  barn...curiosity was killing him.
 
So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of  
  grinders...and cut thru the welds.
 
  What was in the barn...?
 
  Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm
 
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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
Cool bananas.

Cheers,

Dave

On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread Fernando
Congratulations, Paul

On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Some quick monitor info

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 It seems my CRT monitor is about to bite the dust - it's starting to
 exhibit keystoning so I suspect the yoke is becoming a problem.  If I
 were to consider an LCD, what important specs should I be looking for?

 Any quick help would be appreciated as I'm no doubt having to do some
 shopping this afternoon.

I'm sure others will pipe up with a bunch of specifications and  
technology notions, but in practical terms I've found the Apple  
Cinema Display 23 that I'm currently using to be superb, and barely  
less in quality than the EIZO professional flat screen display of  
similar size and double the price. That said, the Samsung SyncMaster  
205bw that I used as a temporary backup when my power supply bit the  
dust last Fall, once properly calibrated with the Eye One Display 2,  
produced on screen viewing and editing quality only marginally less  
excellent albeit in a much cheaper, less stylish enclosure. And that  
one cost 1/2 or less what the Apple monitor did.

This leads me to suggest that if you get any of the better, decent  
displays available today that run in the $500 to $800 price class AND  
get a good calibration/profiling utility, you will have a perfectly  
acceptable, useful monitor. The calibration/profiling tools are the  
real discriminator.

And that said, one thing I do not like is the recent trend to  
displays with a glossy finish. Just like glossy prints, they drive me  
nutty with reflections and cause the photographs to become overly  
saturated and contrasty in appearance.

Godfrey


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Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
On 8/22/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder
   anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little
   TV screen on the back.

 Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much the
 same reason the K10D screen based menu settings are less appealing in
 a country where sunlight is abundant and clouds are sparse.

 Rob Studdert

 -

 Much of photographic display technology in recent decades has left out
 those of us who live and shoot in sunny places. I find in-viewfinder
 displays useless for much of my daylight shooting. I'm sure it doesn't
 help that I wear glasses.

Ditto re: viewfiner displays. And I don't wear glasses.

 Camera companies should send their display designers to live in the
 Sahara, or some such place, and make them wear glasses whether they need
 to or not.

Yeah but Joe, everyone knows that you're only supposed to take photos
during the golden hours.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Developing film

2007-08-22 Thread graywolf
I still remember the guy dragging that roll of film on the floor along behind 
him as he came to the counter it see what I wanted. So, yes, I think it does 
make a difference where you take it. But the unfortunate fact is that that is 
subject to change day to day. I mean that kid is probably working in some other 
lab today.



John Sessoms wrote:
 Actually, if you're shooting C-41 and not doing any push/pull stuff, any 
 of the mini-labs should be able to process the film adequately.
 
 It's really all automated, and there's very little they can do to mess 
 it up, other than not notice you've handed them a roll of plus-X or 
 Ektachrome ... and whose fault is that?

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Re: OT: buy a barn ...

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've never really liked American barges myself, Paul. This find is in  
Portugal... I'm fascinated with all the Alfa Romeos and Lancias.  
Perhaps they're worth nothing, but they're beautiful.

Godfrey


On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. The guy who posted this isn't very  
 fond of American cars, is he? :-)). One of the cars he labeled  
 American barges appears to be a '64 Dodge. If it's one of the  
 first hemi cars, it's worth at least a quarter million. And judging  
 by the quality of the rest of the collection, I wouldn't be  
 surprised if it was exactly that.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 My buddy Sam Solomon sent me this. Fun to look through and  
 imagine ...

 G

 Begin forwarded message:


   Subject:  Car found in barn



   A New York man retired. He wanted to use his retirement
 money wisely, so it would last, and decided to buy a home and a
 few acres in Portugal.

   The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15yrs.; the owner
 and wife both had died, and there were no heirs.

   The house was sold to pay taxes.
   There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel
 doors, and they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the
 extra expense to see what was in the barn, and it wasn't
 complimentary to the property anyway..so, nobody made an offer
 on the place.

   The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's
 worth, moved in, and set about to tear in to the
 barn...curiosity was killing him.

   So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of
 grinders...and cut thru the welds.

 What was in the barn...?

 Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm

 Click on the index for a faster download

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need 1.5V button cells? Nice hack :)

2007-08-22 Thread Thibouille
http://www.wisebread.com/the-40-hidden-inside-a-12v-battery

That one is funny.. even usefull for some, maybe ;)

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Re: Conceptual photography (was - Corner Kick)

2007-08-22 Thread frank theriault
On 8/22/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This again, does it have to be good to be art? Personally I believe the 
 intent of the artist, good or bad is what makes something art. The question 
 then becomes not Is it art, but Is it good art?

 OTOH, if the all pretentious critics insist it is art, when the producer had 
 no such intention, then they are just a bunch of quacks quacking.

I've been reading this thread with some interest.

Some interest...

I'm rather torn on this concept of good art.

One one hand, it seems to me that it's hard to grade art.  Either
one likes it or one doesn't, and because there are so many reasons to
like it, it's hard to quantify.  Something can be both repulsive and
compelling.  Something can be pretty (see Trisha Romance's stuff)
and banal.

In fact, is her stuff even art?

I don't know.

I must admit that I cringed a bit when I saw Marnie's statement about
the best art and what it is (sorry Marnie).  Sometimes the best
art is anything but accessible, and the most accessible stuff is
difficult to describe as art.

Art (whatever it is) is too subjective for such labels, IMHO.

And, for what it's worth, I think art is so subjective, it's not the
intent of the artist, but the feeling of the viewer that makes art
what it is (and if it is).

cheers,
frank

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Re: OT: Content Aware Image Resizing

2007-08-22 Thread Igor Roshchin

You forgot to reference the era of Joseph McCarthy,
and various 1984-ish periods ...
:-)


Wed Aug 22 07:52:43 EDT 2007
P. J. Alling wrote:

 What the old Soviet Union wouldn't have given for such technology. No 
 persons disappear without a trace...
 
 David Savage wrote:
  For those who frequent DPReview:
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082201seamcarvingimageresizing.asp
 
  I thought it was pretty neat.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave
 
   

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Re: Just got back from North Carolina

2007-08-22 Thread graywolf
I like the Camera Clinic better than NPW. This was the first year I missed 
since I started going, an that was only because I spent so much money on the 
new computer. Of course I have never been a nature photographer.


frank theriault wrote:
 On 8/22/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would like to attend the camera clinic one year, unfortunately it
 falls on a rather large and profitable horse show weekend.
 As this is my only income for now.:-)

 I do like the profile trail , but just the start.:-)
 
 You 'n me next year, Dave.
 
 YART (Yet Another Road Trip).
 
 cheers,
 frank
 

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RE: need 1.5V button cells? Nice hack :)

2007-08-22 Thread Tom C
Yes quite interesting!


Tom C.


From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: need 1.5V button cells? Nice hack :)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:34:21 +0200

http://www.wisebread.com/the-40-hidden-inside-a-12v-battery

That one is funny.. even usefull for some, maybe ;)

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Re: OT: buy a barn ...

2007-08-22 Thread keith_w
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 I've never really liked American barges myself, Paul. This find is in  
 Portugal... I'm fascinated with all the Alfa Romeos and Lancias.  
 Perhaps they're worth nothing, but they're beautiful.
 
 Godfrey

The pictures are fun, and accurately portray the barn's content.

The accompanying story is not. It's fake.

This was a collection of a car dealer.
I believe Snopes® has the real story...

keith whaley


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RE: PESO - Corner Kick (crop)

2007-08-22 Thread Patricia Paton
Subscribed recently, and been lurking (politely) to get a sense of the
list.  Like the corner kick, and the new crop - my inclination would be
to crop out the 2 blues on the right, maybe a little more off the top
- I think the contrast of players - 1 blue vs 4 red - could up the
punch.  

Trish

Trish Paton
Medicine Hat, AB

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Re: Dream Cruise Photo Contest

2007-08-22 Thread graywolf
No fair, Paul, you are a ringer, a pro amongst all those snap shooters. Also 
you and the last guy (he could have done a bit photoshopping on that pavement) 
had the advantage of owning the car you shot, so you could control the location.

The photo is of course excellent. I would not have expected anything else.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm one of ten winners in the Detroit News Dream Cruise Photo Contest. My 
 winning entry is a pic of my own '55 Chevy in front of a diner on Woodward. 
 It's been seen here before. I shot it several years ago with the 6x7 and 
 Pentax SMC 300/4. You can access all the contest winners here: 
 http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/index.cfm
 

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Re: OT: buy a barn ...

2007-08-22 Thread Norm Baugher
It's amazing what circulates around the net as truth...
Norm

keith_w wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
   
 I've never really liked American barges myself, Paul. This find is in  
 Portugal... I'm fascinated with all the Alfa Romeos and Lancias.  
 Perhaps they're worth nothing, but they're beautiful.

 Godfrey
 

 The pictures are fun, and accurately portray the barn's content.

 The accompanying story is not. It's fake.

 This was a collection of a car dealer.
 I believe Snopes® has the real story...

 keith whaley


   


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