Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Sorry if I confused you William. I was actually being rather silly, or outrageously goofy by Gulf Islands standards, which is where I am now composting away. Perhaps I should have explained that I am discrete and moderate only when my mouth is taped shut and I'm not near a keyboard...I too await an explanation for VW. - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... - Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking at one last message. That combined with a slow evening and two near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray. Normally I'm the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on the proceeedings of this august group. (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with other stuff to participate consistently.) jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Looks better than pretty darned good to me - unless there are some really strong negative reports from the GFM crowd I'll be buying one. I'm trying very hard to not turn into a fanboy over this camera. It would be too embarassing, and bad for the surly image I try to cultivate. The frame rate is quite a big deal for me, too. I really liked the responsiveness of the PZ-1p (4+fps), even though I mostly used it in single-frame mode; the faster frame rate results in a shorter viewfinder blackout time, and the camera is ready for another shot sooner; I occasionally find myself trying to take the next shot before the (3fps) K10D is ready. This is really the biggie for me. I really like a responsive camera, and higher frame rates seem to go hand in hand with that. I was trying to explain to someone over on forumneurotica that just because I wanted a camera that had 5fps didn't mean that I wanted to use it at that speed. They just presume that one wants it so as to be a tail gunner. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Well, William, what does the VW stand for? Cheers, Christine Value Reductions Except I talk like Elmer Fudd, so it comes out sounding like Value Weductions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... I too await an explanation for VW. You'll be sorry. VW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Probably the best K-7 review yet.
This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Hmmm...I shoot lots of weddings each year, along with lots of paid portraits and family groupings - almost always flash fill. The 1/250 would be nicer, but the 1/180 is not a deal breaker for me. I generally set the flash to handle high speed and then watch my shutter speed - using ISO somewhat to help control things. Not a huge issue, just a small nice to have, in my book. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:48:32 PM, you wrote: AM John, AM This is a real issue for wedding shooters and anyone doing AM location/outdoor portraiture (or any other sort of mixed AM daylight/flash work, which Paul obviously does). Flash sync does AM matter and Pentax continues to offer the only camera in-class with a AM sub-1/250 sync (the 40D/50D, D300, E-3 and A700 all offer the better AM sync speed). AM -Adam AM On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, John Poirier peartr...@shaw.ca wrote: This is catastrophic! My retirement plans were entirley based on selling backlit protraits of hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!! I've really had it with Pentax. There are lots of real pro systems that will give you perfect shots of everything at the push of a button, and I'm gonna get me one real soon. Right now I'm kinda busy fixing the light leaks in my Zenit E.. Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6 value. If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond 1/180th in shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF. Ideally, I'd like to have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's complex and cost;y. And high-speed synch doesn't help much, because the flash power is greatly diminished by multiple firings. Paul Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With 1/250th, that'd be reduced to a mere 28%. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: CA correction on the K-7
Im not talking about the current or near future lenses, Im talking about the long run. It only makes sense that things that can be corrected in the body rather than with optics may be cheaper way to go but you would have to use new bodies only with those optically uncorrected lenses. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7 The new DA* lenses display much less CA on a digital sensor than do any of my A, M, SMC or FA lenses. Your concern smacks of deep paranoia. Paul On May 21, 2009, at 7:06 PM, JC OConnell wrote: Im afraid in camera correction may be an excuse for them to start putting out uncorrected lenses that require new bodies to perform properly. Wouldnt be that bad if the lenses got real cheap, but will they? JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Miller Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:57:37PM -0400, John Francis wrote: Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes *several seconds* per exposure. Sounds hard to believe, but if this is true I guess it's not all that useful. Yeah, seriously. Although the in-camera raw conversion can still do it. If the feature turns out to be debilitating 3-4 seconds downtime after I click would definitely cause me to miss shots. On the other hand, maybe I can learn turn it on sometimes simply to force myself to be more deliberate in my shooting. :) -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Oh another K-7 thread...
its only about 1/3 stop difference JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Miller Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:54:29PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight. A lot can happen in 0.0016 seconds. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
with a dslr and its instant results review, it should be fairly easy to use a pair of flash and be able to adjust them for even lighting. that way you eliminate possible motion blur from long shutter speeds and will be able to use smaller fstops most likely too. But flatbed scanning is better I would think. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner That's interesting Ken. I've used the A100/2.8 macro to shoot artwork onto slides for projecting at focus groups. My methodology was similar, insure perpendicular and use available light (living room window). Results were very acceptable. From what you say, I'll have some copy work to do for my sister the family's genealogist. Here's a little trick. Now that darkroom stuff is being given away for the cost of hauling it, look for something like a Beseler 6x7 or 6x9 enlarger. If you take the head off of it you will find a 3/8x20 screw just waiting to take a tripod head. Enlarger chassis' are really good copy stands. If you can get a colour one, the head can often be coaxed into working as a light source for copying slides. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
It's called High Speed sync. Works with PUF and external wired. On May 21, 2009, at 17:54 , paul stenquist wrote: The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight. Paul On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Thibouille wrote: I wonder how one can draw such conclusions: * without trying the camera * seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!) * You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite speedier AF specially those with SDM, * Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in tungsten light) * You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality (at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon 5dii, * AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?) * That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop (wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200, , Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
mmm, I have had and used a flatbed scanner for over 12 years and couldnt imagine not having one on my pc. They are very cheap and very useful for doing an occasional fax, making a copy of document for archives, etc. Flatbeds are good to have. Film scanners were expensive, but basic document only scanners are not. The quality of the scans are amazing from my epson scanner with typical 8.5x11 documents. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ken Waller Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:39 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner The whole point was I wasn't going to purchase a flatbed scanner for a few prints! These reproductions totally exceeded my expectations. It would be interesting to see how these digital images from my K20D compare to those from a scanner. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner as good as that worked, using a decent flatbed scanner would probably be even better! scanners can be super critical sharp too. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ken Waller Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:49 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: K20D as Scanner I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that I didn't have the negs for. I don't have a flat bed scanner decided to shoot them with my K20D my 200mm f4.0 ED Macro. I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image plane, using available light being mindful to eliminate glare off the originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small amount of unsharp mask) printed them (slightly larger than the original image) on my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer. The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I seriously doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the digitally produced images. FYI Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Oh another K-7 thread...
This is catastrophic! My retirement plans were entirley based on selling backlit protraits of hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!! Mark! [...] Weren't you going to go back to lurking? VW Stain! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - A Quiet Day in Brugge
Thanks, Dan. I can't remember the name of the place--I'll have to check with my spouse, who is usually the navigator on our excursions. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO - A Quiet Day in Brugge To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 10:10 AM Nice image. Was it taken in the Begijnhof? Dan On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: That's a great shot, Rick. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: PESO - A Quiet Day in Brugge Brugge is absolutely mobbed with tourists on a spring Saturday. Consider this peaceful scene: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9202603size=lg (K10D and DA 50-200) We spent most of our time walking off the beaten path, in more peripheral parts of town. Things were considerably quieter Friday evening and Sunday. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm It's definitely the camera for me. This is the real clincher: the addition of the distinguished attachment of a virgin Last Judgment button. I've been pestering camera manufacturers for one of those for years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I seriously doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the digitally produced images. Your description makes it sound as if you pulled off detail that wasn't even there. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Oh another K-7 thread...
He's turning into a beetle. Well, William, what does the VW stand for? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking at one last message. That combined with a slow evening and two near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray. Normally I'm the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on the proceeedings of this august group. (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with other stuff to participate consistently.) jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Peter, I just wanted to add that Pentax has a well-established tradition of putting crap pictures as quality samples in their Japanese website. I'm not worried at all by seeing that stuff and I'm confident the K-7 will give a much much higher IQ when properly handled. Dario - Original Message - From: Peter Zalabai tim...@clancode.hu To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Oh another K-7 thread... Hi list, Sorry for opening a new K-7 thread... I just tought to share my thoughts with you... So... K-7. When I first saw the pictures it was a beauty for me. The first thing that crossed my mind is I MUST HAVE ONE (yeah with all-caps :D). The K-7 is a very nice and very stylish camera and it brings back the old style when engineers designed machines with ruler and bows. Personally I dislike the now trendy 'everything is rounded' style that rules the designs nowadays (cars, computers, phones etc). But, oh-well, Nikon has quite similar design with D3 and D700, so it's not that unique, yet Pentax made it much more stylish than Nikon (IMHO). Then as the first set of so-called-specifications came the K-7 was still a promising camera. 1/250 Synch and 1/8000 Shutter, Better AF, HD-Video, AF Assist light, etc. All in all the K-7 was the nice big red balloon that everyone wants :) But as time passed by the specifications turned to be false or not-that-nice. 1/250 went back to 1/180, Better AF -like the sensor- is just an Improved (but same) SAFOX VII, HD-Video is only 720 lines and motion JPEG... And now the test shots on the official page... Terrible. First the girl... totally lacks sharpness for me and well the dynamic range of the photo seems to me not that awesome. Then same applies to almost all shots. And in the end the last shot made with the 12-24. Terrible CA. One of the new features is the CA correction and this how they market it? So all in all I am very disappointed with the K-7 as the new flagship model. It's nothing more just the K20D with a class-closing (or how should I call the opposite of class leading? :D) HD video feature and tweaked features. The nice big red balloon seems to be popped out... But don't get me wrong... I still love the K20D and the Pentax Side of Life :) Regards, .timber -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
I've done the same thing, Ken. It takes so long to scan a print or negative on a scanner, but I've used (for general use - family photos, etc) setting a print or Polaroid print on the bed of a copy stand; a tripod and an old glass contact print frame; an old Saunders contact sheet frame with the plastic torn off and Goo Gone cleaned (whew!). These options take much less than a minute per setup, shot RAW, minor corrections in Aperture, and I've been very pleased with the results, from those Polaroids to 100 year old deckled edge prints. On May 21, 2009, at 21:38 , Ken Waller wrote: The whole point was I wasn't going to purchase a flatbed scanner for a few prints! These reproductions totally exceeded my expectations. It would be interesting to see how these digital images from my K20D compare to those from a scanner. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Fabulous! Note that while our good Roberts was translated to Speck, Mark Dimalanta gets away with Point. :-) Wonder which languages were involved in the translation roundtrip this time. :-) The original is here, btw: http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Jostein 2009/5/22 William Robb war...@gmail.com: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
2009/5/22 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com: Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Hmmm... That would increase the likelihood of having a Swede involved... :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
The length of time it takes to scan a document is solely dependent on and proportional to the dpi setting and the size of the document, it would not take anywhere near the highest dpi settings to match an optical method of duplication IMHO and if you wanted the highest possible quality, a scanner could exceed any optical/camera method on large ( 5x7, 8x10 ) documents. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:27 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner I've done the same thing, Ken. It takes so long to scan a print or negative on a scanner, but I've used (for general use - family photos, etc) setting a print or Polaroid print on the bed of a copy stand; a tripod and an old glass contact print frame; an old Saunders contact sheet frame with the plastic torn off and Goo Gone cleaned (whew!). These options take much less than a minute per setup, shot RAW, minor corrections in Aperture, and I've been very pleased with the results, from those Polaroids to 100 year old deckled edge prints. On May 21, 2009, at 21:38 , Ken Waller wrote: The whole point was I wasn't going to purchase a flatbed scanner for a few prints! These reproductions totally exceeded my expectations. It would be interesting to see how these digital images from my K20D compare to those from a scanner. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
There's a video posted by Pentax USA too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCHdsZI88g From the motions it seems to me the content is quite similar. Jostein 2009/5/22 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer also mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with film lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light. 2. The picture modes (or whatever is the name) can now be fine tuned for separate contrast rendition in bright and dark areas. 3. They mention that this camera is set to compete face to face (or hmmm, lens mount to lens mount) with Nikon D300, Canon EOS 50D, Sony Alpha 700 and Olympus E-3. 4. All in all, consider that instead of reading through numerous pages of DPReview review (all the description stuff, not testing) you got it presented to you by someone in front of a video camera. Perhaps if I look at it half dozen times I'd notice more details that might have been omitted in the web based texts, but in general - this is yet another description of the new camera. Having seen that video that Cotty shown I as well might wanna buy this one. I do want to shoot short videos in general and short videos of my girls in particular. Cheers. Boris P.S. I know for the fact that I am not the only Russian speaker on the list. Perhaps others may contribute given their perspective on all this... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Or using the flash for catchlights, and wanting to use 1/250 for other reasons (such as, say, photographing cars in motion). High-speed flash sync probably works fine for that, though. Does that produce multiple (or different in some other way) catchlights? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. Really? I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, William, what does the VW stand for? Cheers, Christine There was a review of the PDML annual that was run through the same translator as the K7 stuff. Mark came out as Stain and Bill came out as Valuation, amongst other amusements. - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... - Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking at one last message. That combined with a slow evening and two near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray. Normally I'm the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on the proceeedings of this august group. (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with other stuff to participate consistently.) jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Speaking of airplanes an tripods...
Jostein, greetings and salutations on the oncoming trip. It should become very memorable event... Humbly, I suggest that you don't take DA* 300 lens as you have DA* 60-250 that appears to be quite stellar. I don't think that 50 mm will make any difference here. FA* 600 is entirely different of course. It would seem more desirable to prefer K-7/K-20 over K-20/K-10. The advertised low temperature shooting ability of K-7 may come in handy. Other than that - I think you should simply put some cash towards hauling more weight. It seems inevitable at this point. I should be looking forward your pictures from that trip ;-). Boris AlunFoto wrote: I figured I might as well let the cat out of the bag. In November, I will be facing a major logistical challenge regarding air transport of equipment. The occasion is a photographer's cruise to Antarctic waters. Much like the one Michael Reichmann of Luminous Landscape fame did some time ago. The itinerary includes flights through Europe to Argentina, and a domestic flight from Buenos Aires to Puerto Madryn. We'll get another domestic flight from Ushuaia to Buenos Aires on the return, and then the long haul back. So the challenge is what to pack and how. I'd dearly love to bring the 600/4, but that alone nearly fills the hand luggage quota for cattle class. As I understand it, Argentinian weight limits are stricter than both USA and Europa. Any and all serious suggestions would be most appreciated. My priority list so far is: K20D with grip K10D without grip (or possibly K-7 if it materialises in the market before then) FA*600/4 DA*300/4 DA*60-250/4 DA*16-50/2.8 DA14/2.8 Sachtler tripod with RRS 55mm ballhead and Wimberley Sidekick 15 laptop 2 portable harddrives for backup. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
he's reffering to the actual light sensitive area per pixel, higher efficiency, less screen door effect. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:22 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. Really? I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Speaking of airplanes an tripods...
These Pentax model names and naming conventions are getting really absurd. Isnt the the K20D the K20D, not the K-20? Isnt the the K10D the K10D, not the K-10? Why is the K-7 the K-7 instead of the K7 or K7D? whats with the dashes? This just makes everything more confusing...Could be worse, they could still be using *istD naming. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:39 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Speaking of airplanes an tripods... Jostein, greetings and salutations on the oncoming trip. It should become very memorable event... Humbly, I suggest that you don't take DA* 300 lens as you have DA* 60-250 that appears to be quite stellar. I don't think that 50 mm will make any difference here. FA* 600 is entirely different of course. It would seem more desirable to prefer K-7/K-20 over K-20/K-10. The advertised low temperature shooting ability of K-7 may come in handy. Other than that - I think you should simply put some cash towards hauling more weight. It seems inevitable at this point. I should be looking forward your pictures from that trip ;-). Boris AlunFoto wrote: I figured I might as well let the cat out of the bag. In November, I will be facing a major logistical challenge regarding air transport of equipment. The occasion is a photographer's cruise to Antarctic waters. Much like the one Michael Reichmann of Luminous Landscape fame did some time ago. The itinerary includes flights through Europe to Argentina, and a domestic flight from Buenos Aires to Puerto Madryn. We'll get another domestic flight from Ushuaia to Buenos Aires on the return, and then the long haul back. So the challenge is what to pack and how. I'd dearly love to bring the 600/4, but that alone nearly fills the hand luggage quota for cattle class. As I understand it, Argentinian weight limits are stricter than both USA and Europa. Any and all serious suggestions would be most appreciated. My priority list so far is: K20D with grip K10D without grip (or possibly K-7 if it materialises in the market before then) FA*600/4 DA*300/4 DA*60-250/4 DA*16-50/2.8 DA14/2.8 Sachtler tripod with RRS 55mm ballhead and Wimberley Sidekick 15 laptop 2 portable harddrives for backup. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG
Excellent. The light on the handrail is great and the fact that the person is holding the rail at its tip seems to give the image perfect balance. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: Was in SF yesterday ... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg 072 - Landing - San Francisco 2009 Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8 ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3551435307/ Comments always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey -- www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Keukenhof Gardens
Hi Dan That first image is spectacular but I think the pale sky spoils the second one. By the way I took a quick look through some of the work in your photo.net galleries. Some great stuff there but I only just scratched the surface (it would take me about a year to do the galleries justice!) I like the Ireland work and I spotted a Banksia menziesii among your Flowers and Trees gallery - very nice. Like the self portrait too... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:22 -0400, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on film. Here is one of my favorite places: http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=12 Comments and criticisms welcome. Dan -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the pixels to me. Jostein 2009/5/22 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. Really? I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Speaking of airplanes an tripods...
Thanks to all for your recommendations! Much appreciated. There are some things I'm now quite certain of: - There's no way I will let optics travel as checked-in luggage. :-) - The 600mm has to come along. Thanks for firming my resolve there. - I will have to make a thorough comparison of the 60-250 and the 300 to decide if both will go. - The total weight of the gear will be a problem. Excluding the 300, the photobag is still at 23 kg. I was informed yesterday that our international flights will be with British Airways, and with warnings that our hand luggage may be weighed at Heathrow. That didn't happen when we travelled to Newcastle last Easter, but on the other hand I didn't bring the 600 then. The recommendation from the guide is to have a photo vest with plenty of pockets to stuff things like normal zooms, batteries, flash, etc., in before the bag goes on the scale. He claims to have got away with shouldering his 500/4 as a personal item too... :-) I have researched the possibility of posting a travel log to my blog, and apparently it's possible to send clean-text emails through satellite link from the ship. No graphics, though. So pictures will have to wait until I get back. Jostein 2009/5/22 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Jostein, greetings and salutations on the oncoming trip. It should become very memorable event... Humbly, I suggest that you don't take DA* 300 lens as you have DA* 60-250 that appears to be quite stellar. I don't think that 50 mm will make any difference here. FA* 600 is entirely different of course. It would seem more desirable to prefer K-7/K-20 over K-20/K-10. The advertised low temperature shooting ability of K-7 may come in handy. Other than that - I think you should simply put some cash towards hauling more weight. It seems inevitable at this point. I should be looking forward your pictures from that trip ;-). Boris AlunFoto wrote: I figured I might as well let the cat out of the bag. In November, I will be facing a major logistical challenge regarding air transport of equipment. The occasion is a photographer's cruise to Antarctic waters. Much like the one Michael Reichmann of Luminous Landscape fame did some time ago. The itinerary includes flights through Europe to Argentina, and a domestic flight from Buenos Aires to Puerto Madryn. We'll get another domestic flight from Ushuaia to Buenos Aires on the return, and then the long haul back. So the challenge is what to pack and how. I'd dearly love to bring the 600/4, but that alone nearly fills the hand luggage quota for cattle class. As I understand it, Argentinian weight limits are stricter than both USA and Europa. Any and all serious suggestions would be most appreciated. My priority list so far is: K20D with grip K10D without grip (or possibly K-7 if it materialises in the market before then) FA*600/4 DA*300/4 DA*60-250/4 DA*16-50/2.8 DA14/2.8 Sachtler tripod with RRS 55mm ballhead and Wimberley Sidekick 15 laptop 2 portable harddrives for backup. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Imaging Resource preview updated with Ruggedness / Build Quality; Shake Reduction / Image Shift System. (including eletronic level functions etc.) http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K7/K7A.HTM -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the pixels to me. Jostein Increasing the _effective_ area of each pixel? 2009/5/22 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. Really? I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
Oh, the effective area. Right. Mike you ought to stop being so pedantic ;-) Boris mike wilson wrote: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the pixels to me. Jostein Increasing the _effective_ area of each pixel? 2009/5/22 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. Really? I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the effective area. Right. Mike you ought to stop being so pedantic ;-) It's a national trait. 8-) But I was and am still curious to see what is going on at pixel level and wasn't sure precisely what you meant. Boris mike wilson wrote: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the pixels to me. Jostein Increasing the _effective_ area of each pixel? 2009/5/22 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one. Jostein I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. Really? I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Paul On May 22, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:09:00PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6 value. If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond 1/180th in shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF. But again, *half* a stop. Assuming the FA 77mm at 10 feet, the depth of field is going from about 13 to 15. (Right? Up past my bedtime, so feel free to check my math.) Two (and a half, actually -- rounding) inches isn't nothing, but it's still only two inches. Ideally, I'd like to have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's complex and cost;y. Right, I understand that going from 0.0056s to 0.0010s would be useful. That's two and a half stops better, and in the example above, you're shooting at f/2.8 and have more than halved your DOF, down to about 6. And high-speed synch doesn't help much, because the flash power is greatly diminished by multiple firings. So, improved noise performance should help just as well, right? I wouldn't be surprised at all if the sensor refinements gain you your half stop back right there. Optimistically, more. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb OMG, that whole site is a goldmine. I hardly know where to swimmingly on account of plam a rare lasting contents. Thanks Mr Robb D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Paul Stenquist wrote: Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Paul Is there any con in using shutter priority and hi-speed synch of your choice? I've used it with my K20D and pictures look fine. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
But you lose much of the flash output. I use it all the time. It's a poor substitute for real high speed synch. Paul On May 22, 2009, at 2:50 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: It's called High Speed sync. Works with PUF and external wired. On May 21, 2009, at 17:54 , paul stenquist wrote: The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight. Paul On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Thibouille wrote: I wonder how one can draw such conclusions: * without trying the camera * seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!) * You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite speedier AF specially those with SDM, * Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in tungsten light) * You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality (at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon 5dii, * AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?) * That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop (wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200, , Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Paul Is there any con in using shutter priority and hi-speed synch of your choice? I've used it with my K20D and pictures look fine. HSS doesn't buy you any extra flash output, in fact it reduces it on many models of flash. (the same energy must be spread over a range of exposures to build up the frame, so you don't get full power in each slice). Basically once you hit max flash output (or the max you want to use for acceptable recycle times), the only way to increase the flash's contribution is to reduce ambient, ie faster shutter speed (changing aperture affects both flash and ambient). As awesome as the K7 does look, this is the thing I really wanted to see improved, and what disappoints me most about the specs. Especially as they took the opporunity to improve the FPS and max shutter, so presumably a new shutter mechanism, without addressing this basic issue. Also, I don't see why they don't offer an electronic shutter on 1/180th exposures, some of the Nikon DSLRs have done this (was it the D70?), and it allows flash sync at any shutter speed - the mechanical shutter never goes faster than 1/250th (or whatever) and the quicker exposure is done electronically. There may be some technical reason not to offer ths, but one would think if you can do live view (ie, readout during exposure), surely electronic shutter isn't that different. - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Because you get only partial flash output, the catchlights and the illumination are minimal with artificial high-speed synch. Non- existent in bright light at a distance of more than five or six feet. I use it all the time, but it's a poor substitute for the real thing. Paul On May 22, 2009, at 4:02 AM, mike wilson wrote: John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Or using the flash for catchlights, and wanting to use 1/250 for other reasons (such as, say, photographing cars in motion). High-speed flash sync probably works fine for that, though. Does that produce multiple (or different in some other way) catchlights? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
You get only minimal flash output. From twenty feet in daylight, it's zilch. Paul On May 22, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Paul Is there any con in using shutter priority and hi-speed synch of your choice? I've used it with my K20D and pictures look fine. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
AlunFoto wrote: 2009/5/22 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com: Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Hmmm... That would increase the likelihood of having a Swede involved... :-) http://www.jonathancoulton.com/mp3/Ikea.mp3 :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
paul stenquist wrote: Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. I too am disappointed at the 1/180 flash sync speed. The difference between 1/180 and 1/250 can indeed be significant, making the difference between a shot that's saleable and one that isn't. I was once shooting finish line photos in a marathon which had the runners coming in with the sun at their backs -- poor planning on the part of the race organizers, eh? ;-) I was using the PZ-1p at the time and could see the difference 1/250 made between marginally acceptable and completely unacceptable or between acceptable and good. (And full sun backlight makes the power loss of Hish Speed Sync flash unacceptable.) Or, put another way: The difference between 1/180 sync and 1/250 may not be huge, but in some circumstances it can be *much* bigger than the difference between a consumer-grade kit lens and the thousand dollar pro lens so many of us (justly) lust over. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:06 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Mike you ought to stop being so pedantic ;-) It's a national trait. 8-) No this deserves a MARK -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:49:36AM -0400, paul stenquist wrote: Because you get only partial flash output, the catchlights and the illumination are minimal with artificial high-speed synch. Non-existent in bright light at a distance of more than five or six feet. I use it all the time, but it's a poor substitute for the real thing. To put some numbers on it: the Metz 48 AF-1 has a GN of 35 at 50mm-e @ ISO 100, but in HSS mode, only 15. That means about 80% of the power is lost. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: UK - 27. May - 1. June, anyone?
The responses so far has been: Rick Womer: Maybe Sunday Mike Wilson: Cancel due to a professional assignment Peter Zalabai: Depending on day off Bob Walkden: Hopes to make it. Without any firm yeas for the week-end I've decided to go back Friday afternoon. If anyone wants to have a beer/meal and a chat on Wednesday or Thursday it would be great. Jostein 2009/5/18 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: I have a two-day meeting in London 28.-29. May. Will arrive in the afternoon the 27., and could extend the stay over the week-end if anyone's interested in saying hello. I'm restricted to London for the afternoons on the weekdays, but could travel for the week-end, of course. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Somebody translated Bill as Valuation. Wheatfield Willy became VW...very germanic. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, William, what does the VW stand for? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... - Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking at one last message. That combined with a slow evening and two near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray. Normally I'm the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on the proceeedings of this august group. (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with other stuff to participate consistently.) jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CA correction on the K-7
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 02:44:04AM -0400, JC OConnell scripsit: Im not talking about the current or near future lenses, Im talking about the long run. It only makes sense that things that can be corrected in the body rather than with optics may be cheaper way to go but you would have to use new bodies only with those optically uncorrected lenses. [434 lines, snipped] Computationally correcting the optics will be expensive in terms of time for the camera to perform the processing (several seconds); the lens reviews will be harsh, so going first on this would be bad for sales; the ability to correct computationally will depend on *higher* quality control standards in manufacture, since the information provided on each lens will have to be very accurate or you're just having the camera apply funky blur. I don't think there's an economic win in there anywhere. Computational correction makes a lot of sense for those cases where the optical design can't manage to get things precisely right, either because it's a kit lens or no one wants a 10 k USD 12mm Ltd. so they didn't make it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Oh another K-7 thread...
the biggest problem with slow sync speeds is you end up having to use small fstops to get the ambient light exposure correct and that robs you of flash range and/or flash fill ratio, but half stop is half a stop, its a moderate improvement. Compared to 1/60 in the old days 1/250 is fantastic though. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:46 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... But you lose much of the flash output. I use it all the time. It's a poor substitute for real high speed synch. Paul On May 22, 2009, at 2:50 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: It's called High Speed sync. Works with PUF and external wired. On May 21, 2009, at 17:54 , paul stenquist wrote: The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight. Paul On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Thibouille wrote: I wonder how one can draw such conclusions: * without trying the camera * seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!) * You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite speedier AF specially those with SDM, * Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in tungsten light) * You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality (at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon 5dii, * AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?) * That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop (wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200, , Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:21 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb Apparently they had their translation programme set to prolix... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
I just purchased an Epson Perfection V30 from NewEgg.com on sale for less than 50 bucks shipped. I have been using it for several days now making copies of old (50 years plus for some) 8x10 BW and Color prints for which the negs are long gone. I am very pleased with the quality and convenience. The quality is several stages better than what my old Canon 660U provided, and I thought it was a great scanner. But 8 years of technology go a long way! I have also copied old prints using my K20, as Ken did. The results were quick and painless, and the resulting images are as good as with the Epson. It would totally depend on the situation at hand. If I didn't have a scanner I seriously doubt that I would buy one if I seldom needed or wanted one, especially when I knew that the dslr would do just as well. Walt On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: The quality of the scans are amazing from my epson scanner with typical 8.5x11 documents. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Modern-day Sisyphus
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: This is great! Something those in the responsible world all want to see. I hope the scrubber helped put it there. Timely and I hope, destined for the 2009 PDML Annual. Thanks, Jack. I don't know if this guy is responsible for the graffiti - er, I mean, urban art - but I doubt it. Looks like he works for a graffiti removal service. He certainly doesn't look happy in his work though, and although I'm no expert, I'd also venture a guess that he's not been given the best or most efficient tools for the job. Thanks for your kind words. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: CA correction on the K-7
things like geometry and CA can sometimes be easily corrected in software. It doesnt necessary mean you would need higher quality control standards to produce lenses with more geometry error or CA, and there is no need to do these these in camera processes on the fly, they could be background tasks, even intentionally delayed until the card is removed from the camera, or even done outside camera later . Look, if you can reduce the size, weight, cost of ALL the lenses, by having a single body feature to correct them may be a future path they or somebody else pursues. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Graydon Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 02:44:04AM -0400, JC OConnell scripsit: Im not talking about the current or near future lenses, Im talking about the long run. It only makes sense that things that can be corrected in the body rather than with optics may be cheaper way to go but you would have to use new bodies only with those optically uncorrected lenses. [434 lines, snipped] Computationally correcting the optics will be expensive in terms of time for the camera to perform the processing (several seconds); the lens reviews will be harsh, so going first on this would be bad for sales; the ability to correct computationally will depend on *higher* quality control standards in manufacture, since the information provided on each lens will have to be very accurate or you're just having the camera apply funky blur. I don't think there's an economic win in there anywhere. Computational correction makes a lot of sense for those cases where the optical design can't manage to get things precisely right, either because it's a kit lens or no one wants a 10 k USD 12mm Ltd. so they didn't make it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: UK - 27. May - 1. June, anyone?
On 5/22/09, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: The responses so far has been: Rick Womer: Maybe Sunday Mike Wilson: Cancel due to a professional assignment Peter Zalabai: Depending on day off Bob Walkden: Hopes to make it. Without any firm yeas for the week-end I've decided to go back Friday afternoon. If anyone wants to have a beer/meal and a chat on Wednesday or Thursday it would be great. Not so fast, Jostein. That's 3 definite yes responses and one maybe. The English are very understated. Not sure what Rick's problem is. g -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
I seriously doubt you will ever get even close the quality of a 2000dpi scan of a full size super sharp 8x10 document/print with a camera and lens. It all depends on the dpi you use. For example at 2000 dpi, you get approx 4 MPixel per square inch, and using 8x10 print, that would yeild a 320 MEGAPIXEL image. Youll never get close to that with any current digital slrs even if you had a perfect lens. I have two epson scanners, one does 2400 dpi, and one does 3200dpi so at 2000dpi they are not even being pushed to their limits. Even if you only use 1200dpi nearly all scanners are capable, your still talking 115 MP image of an 8x10 with a scanner. The other factor to consider is when scanning photos or documents, they do not have nearly as great a dynamic range as film does, so getting a scanner to handle the dynamic range of the photo or document without clipping is not very difficult to do. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hamler Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:48 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner I just purchased an Epson Perfection V30 from NewEgg.com on sale for less than 50 bucks shipped. I have been using it for several days now making copies of old (50 years plus for some) 8x10 BW and Color prints for which the negs are long gone. I am very pleased with the quality and convenience. The quality is several stages better than what my old Canon 660U provided, and I thought it was a great scanner. But 8 years of technology go a long way! I have also copied old prints using my K20, as Ken did. The results were quick and painless, and the resulting images are as good as with the Epson. It would totally depend on the situation at hand. If I didn't have a scanner I seriously doubt that I would buy one if I seldom needed or wanted one, especially when I knew that the dslr would do just as well. Walt On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: The quality of the scans are amazing from my epson scanner with typical 8.5x11 documents. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: CA correction on the K-7
I forgot to mention, doing the corrections in software vs optically in the lens itself may be able to significantly reduce the total number of lens elements needed, not only reducing lens cost and weight, it could IMPROVE final contrast and saturation and flare performance because of less elements used without the unnecessary optical corrections vs a conventional optically corrected lens. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of JC OConnell Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:55 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: CA correction on the K-7 things like geometry and CA can sometimes be easily corrected in software. It doesnt necessary mean you would need higher quality control standards to produce lenses with more geometry error or CA, and there is no need to do these these in camera processes on the fly, they could be background tasks, even intentionally delayed until the card is removed from the camera, or even done outside camera later . Look, if you can reduce the size, weight, cost of ALL the lenses, by having a single body feature to correct them may be a future path they or somebody else pursues. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Graydon Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 02:44:04AM -0400, JC OConnell scripsit: Im not talking about the current or near future lenses, Im talking about the long run. It only makes sense that things that can be corrected in the body rather than with optics may be cheaper way to go but you would have to use new bodies only with those optically uncorrected lenses. [434 lines, snipped] Computationally correcting the optics will be expensive in terms of time for the camera to perform the processing (several seconds); the lens reviews will be harsh, so going first on this would be bad for sales; the ability to correct computationally will depend on *higher* quality control standards in manufacture, since the information provided on each lens will have to be very accurate or you're just having the camera apply funky blur. I don't think there's an economic win in there anywhere. Computational correction makes a lot of sense for those cases where the optical design can't manage to get things precisely right, either because it's a kit lens or no one wants a 10 k USD 12mm Ltd. so they didn't make it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CA correction on the K-7
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 02:44:04AM -0400, JC OConnell scripsit: Im not talking about the current or near future lenses, Im talking about the long run. It only makes sense that things that can be corrected in the body rather than with optics may be cheaper way to go but you would have to use new bodies only with those optically uncorrected lenses. [434 lines, snipped] Computationally correcting the optics will be expensive in terms of time for the camera to perform the processing (several seconds); the lens reviews will be harsh, so going first on this would be bad for sales; the ability to correct computationally will depend on *higher* quality control standards in manufacture, since the information provided on each lens will have to be very accurate or you're just having the camera apply funky blur. I don't think there's an economic win in there anywhere. Computational correction makes a lot of sense for those cases where the optical design can't manage to get things precisely right, either because it's a kit lens or no one wants a 10 k USD 12mm Ltd. so they didn't make it. -- Graydon Note both Panasonic and Hasselblad are already doing this. In Panasonic's case, without any noticeable hit to processing speed. Panny's choice to do this comes primarily down to getting the most lens possible in a compact package. They're choosing speed and resolution over distortion correction and fixing the latter in-camera (or at the RAW conversion stage). This is what let them do the 24-60mm-e f2-f2.8 zoom in the LX3 and allowed the G Vario 14-45 OIS for the G1 to be so small and still contain IS. Hasselblad just cheaped out on their 28mm for the H-series. Of course this is one case where their choice allowed a noticably cheaper lens than the competition. The Mamiya 28mm is significantly more expensive, but is also fully corrected and actually covers a 645 frame, the Hassy only covers a sub-645 sensor and only works on the vendor-locked H3D bodies, not the H1, H2 or Fuji GX645 (aka H1) bodies and thus only with Hassy/Imacon backs. -Adam -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Keukenhof Gardens
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on film. Here is one of my favorite places: http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=12 Comments and criticisms welcome. That's a stunning photo, Dan. Gorgeous! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
- Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner The length of time it takes to scan a document is solely dependent on and proportional to the dpi setting and the size of the document, it would not take anywhere near the highest dpi settings to match an optical method of duplication IMHO and if you wanted the highest possible quality, a scanner could exceed any optical/camera method on large ( 5x7, 8x10 ) documents. Printer resolution is in the 300 ppi (Fuji) to 360 ppi (Epson) range. An 8x10 file optimized for an Epson printer will be 2880 x 3600 pixels. If your prints are being done at what passes for a photolab these days, the resolution requirements are much lower, in the 2400 x 300 pixel range (Fuji), Noritsu is slightly higher (320 ppi). The output from a K20 is 4672 x 3104, ample resolution to do a 1:1 copy of an 8x10 print. For the application that Ken was using the camera for, the K20 has ample resolution, and would likely be faster than a flatbed scanner in real terms. There's no real point in having a higher resolution file if all you are going to be doing with it is discarding unused pixels at the printing stage. There is little point in scanning a print at higher than 400 ppi, as few if any photographic prints will exceed that resolution. At Kodak school, I was told that photographic paper doesn't hold more then ~10-12 lpmm of resolution, and that scanning at any more than 300 ppi is not gaining much, if anything, in terms of real detail, but it does increase the amount of post processing you need to do as you scan more and more paper defects as scan resolution increases. Combine this with the fact that most prints aren't taken with the best cameras, the best lenses, or the finest grained film, and there really isn't any advantage to a flatbed scanner over a modern 14mp or greater DSLR in terms of image quality when copying prints. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Depth of field is, for practical purposes, a non issue in this application. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Paul Is there any con in using shutter priority and hi-speed synch of your choice? I've used it with my K20D and pictures look fine. Flash range is shortened considerably, and few flash units support it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
this makes no sense, one has to assume these and most old prints where negs are lost are analog wet prints and the resolution of said prints is going to be higher than modern digital 300 to 360 dpi prints. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:48 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner - Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner The length of time it takes to scan a document is solely dependent on and proportional to the dpi setting and the size of the document, it would not take anywhere near the highest dpi settings to match an optical method of duplication IMHO and if you wanted the highest possible quality, a scanner could exceed any optical/camera method on large ( 5x7, 8x10 ) documents. Printer resolution is in the 300 ppi (Fuji) to 360 ppi (Epson) range. An 8x10 file optimized for an Epson printer will be 2880 x 3600 pixels. If your prints are being done at what passes for a photolab these days, the resolution requirements are much lower, in the 2400 x 300 pixel range (Fuji), Noritsu is slightly higher (320 ppi). The output from a K20 is 4672 x 3104, ample resolution to do a 1:1 copy of an 8x10 print. For the application that Ken was using the camera for, the K20 has ample resolution, and would likely be faster than a flatbed scanner in real terms. There's no real point in having a higher resolution file if all you are going to be doing with it is discarding unused pixels at the printing stage. There is little point in scanning a print at higher than 400 ppi, as few if any photographic prints will exceed that resolution. At Kodak school, I was told that photographic paper doesn't hold more then ~10-12 lpmm of resolution, and that scanning at any more than 300 ppi is not gaining much, if anything, in terms of real detail, but it does increase the amount of post processing you need to do as you scan more and more paper defects as scan resolution increases. Combine this with the fact that most prints aren't taken with the best cameras, the best lenses, or the finest grained film, and there really isn't any advantage to a flatbed scanner over a modern 14mp or greater DSLR in terms of image quality when copying prints. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Oh another K-7 thread...
DOF is a non issue with only a 1/3 to 1/2 stop max speed difference true. But if you have a full range of shutter speeds with flash sync, then DOF control does become an option with fill flash. If your shutter can sync at any speed you can use whatever stop you like to control DOF. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:51 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Every half stop is critical when you're mixing flash and daylight. I've shot outdoor wedding ceremonies that were under a gazebo with a lit background. I need the higher shutter speed both to open the stop a bit and keep the shutter speed high enough for can't miss handholding. A faster flash synch speed is something that should be available at this price point. DOF is just one small part of the equation. Depth of field is, for practical purposes, a non issue in this application. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
- Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner this makes no sense, one has to assume these and most old prints where negs are lost are analog wet prints and the resolution of said prints is going to be higher than modern digital 300 to 360 dpi prints. Actually, you are completely wrong on that assumption. Apparently I should have written a shorter post to allow you to soak it all up. Older BW prints will not exceed 300 ppi resolution, the paper resolution just isn't higher than that, and as a general rule, resolution will be far less because few people used the best cameras and best technique, and the drug store printing that was done back then was all over the place for sharpness as well. John, there isn't much point in continuing this. This is, to a great extent what I did for a living up until a few years ago, I know of what I speak. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Canon 8000 series scanners
For those of you who have a Canon 8400, 8600 or 8800 scanner, betterscanning.com has some new medium format film holders for us. They're kinda pricey at about $80, but based on what I've seen from these film holders on Epson scanners, they're well worth the money. http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/canon8xxx.html (I have no affiliation, but I did beg and plead for one of these.) I'll be ordering one soon. If you'd like a copy of the announcement email please contact me off list. It's kinda long and I'm sure Doug would rather I not clog his tubes. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Define the old days ;-) My FM2n and FE2 (both circa 1983) and my F801s (circa 1991) all have 1/250 sync. -Adam On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:40 AM, JC OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: the biggest problem with slow sync speeds is you end up having to use small fstops to get the ambient light exposure correct and that robs you of flash range and/or flash fill ratio, but half stop is half a stop, its a moderate improvement. Compared to 1/60 in the old days 1/250 is fantastic though. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:46 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... But you lose much of the flash output. I use it all the time. It's a poor substitute for real high speed synch. Paul On May 22, 2009, at 2:50 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: It's called High Speed sync. Works with PUF and external wired. On May 21, 2009, at 17:54 , paul stenquist wrote: The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight. Paul On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Thibouille wrote: I wonder how one can draw such conclusions: * without trying the camera * seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!) * You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite speedier AF specially those with SDM, * Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in tungsten light) * You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality (at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon 5dii, * AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?) * That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop (wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200, , Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon 8000 series scanners
I use their Epson holders and ANR inserts. Worth every penny I paid for them. I HIGHLY recommend getting ANR glass inserts with the holders though, using them is much less hassle than the T-stops (little plastic wedge holders that come with the film holder) and pretty much guarantees flat film when scanning. -Adam On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who have a Canon 8400, 8600 or 8800 scanner, betterscanning.com has some new medium format film holders for us. They're kinda pricey at about $80, but based on what I've seen from these film holders on Epson scanners, they're well worth the money. http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/canon8xxx.html (I have no affiliation, but I did beg and plead for one of these.) I'll be ordering one soon. If you'd like a copy of the announcement email please contact me off list. It's kinda long and I'm sure Doug would rather I not clog his tubes. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Seeing as we'll get to have a look-see at GFM, I'm sure we are all eager to try those balderdash buttons on the new K7. - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Probably the best K-7 review yet. This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Define the old days ;-) My FM2n and FE2 (both circa 1983) and my F801s (circa 1991) all have 1/250 sync. Heck, my old Nikkormat FTn, which dated from the late 1960s had a 1/125 second sync speed. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. Seeing as we'll get to have a look-see at GFM, I'm sure we are all eager to try those balderdash buttons on the new K7. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
I aint buying it, quality glossy BW (wet) photo paper did better than 12 dots/lines per mm. (300dpi) 300 dpi is near the limit of human vision, the wet paper was way better than that. It wasnt marginal. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:17 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner - Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner this makes no sense, one has to assume these and most old prints where negs are lost are analog wet prints and the resolution of said prints is going to be higher than modern digital 300 to 360 dpi prints. Actually, you are completely wrong on that assumption. Apparently I should have written a shorter post to allow you to soak it all up. Older BW prints will not exceed 300 ppi resolution, the paper resolution just isn't higher than that, and as a general rule, resolution will be far less because few people used the best cameras and best technique, and the drug store printing that was done back then was all over the place for sharpness as well. John, there isn't much point in continuing this. This is, to a great extent what I did for a living up until a few years ago, I know of what I speak. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:20:42AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer also mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with film lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light. I'm having deja vu here: http://www.pentax.jp/english/imaging/digital/slr/k20d/feature.html -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Michael Gaudet wrote: I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! damn, Michael, I came very close to writing you a note about a month ago to make you aware of that, but figured you already knew. Sorry about that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Oh another K-7 thread...
I dont recall Pentax going faster than 1/60 for sync speeds until the K mount bodies which were all 1975 or later. I think the difference was the cloth vs metal shutters. The cloth shutters were slower at full opening required for sync. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. Seeing as we'll get to have a look-see at GFM, I'm sure we are all eager to try those balderdash buttons on the new K7. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. Why you lucky, VW, you! ;-) Be sure to post the pics! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
- Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: Oh another K-7 thread... I dont recall Pentax going faster than 1/60 for sync speeds until the K mount bodies which were all 1975 or later. I think the difference was the cloth vs metal shutters. The cloth shutters were slower at full opening required for sync. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- When they went to metal horizontal shutters, they got a nominal increase in sync. The LX syncs at 1/75 second. The real improvements in flash sync came with vertical multiblade shutters. Please fix you email program to stop putting in all these carriage retunrs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax K7
Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:13 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Okay, I'm sold. I've been trying to talk myself out of it, but the list won't let me:-) Paul On May 20, 2009, at 3:27 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax K7 Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D. Delete the video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low light capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a camera. I'm actually seeing some pretty major (on paper) improvements over the K20. The frame rate increase is huge, the buffer is significantly larger, the extra 2 channels of pipeline from sensor to image processor is a big step. Removing the sensor from dust removal and going to ultrasonic should make the dust removal more effective. They are giving it another stop or so of SR effectiveness, and it looks like the built in flash, as much as I hate the things, actually has enough seperation from the lens to be useful. This doesn't even start to address some of the things they've done in the menu system, such as allowing imbedded copyright data right out of the camera and the fine tuning ability that they have applied to the sensor WRT composition, though we'll see how useful this really is. Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was in my Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%. The K20 is a decent camera with some major weaknesses, this one looks like it should be the real deal, though I am sure some minor quibbles will show up. The only question I have is how soon can I have one delivered? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4a15c407206419818010151! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. Why you lucky, VW, you! ;-) Be sure to post the pics! Cheers, Christine I expect if I am so lucky, it will be just a look and getting to handle the thing. I seriously doubt I'll be able to take sample images home with me, though if they allow it, I will, and if they don't slap me with an NDA, I'll certainly share images. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
- Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner I aint buying it, quality glossy BW (wet) photo paper did better than 12 dots/lines per mm. (300dpi) 300 dpi is near the limit of human vision, the wet paper was way better than that. It wasnt marginal. Whatever. I've copied thousands of old prints. I know what I'm talking about. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
Volkswagen of course... Christine Aguila wrote: Well, William, what does the VW stand for? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... - Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking at one last message. That combined with a slow evening and two near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray. Normally I'm the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on the proceeedings of this august group. (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with other stuff to participate consistently.) jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: Michael Gaudet Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. What I'd like to know is how did you recognize your writing in there? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. Why you lucky, VW, you! ;-) Be sure to post the pics! Cheers, Christine I expect if I am so lucky, it will be just a look and getting to handle the thing. I seriously doubt I'll be able to take sample images home with me, though if they allow it, I will, and if they don't slap me with an NDA, I'll certainly share images. Dear William, I'm sure you'll get slapped with an NDA, for you are surely a Naughty Dude All the time ;-). Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K20D as Scanner
I made tons of BW glossy prints for 25 years, some contact prints and used loupes on them. The good glossy paper was not that crude in resolution even after development. I have some contact prints made from 8x10 negs that the details look really sharp even under a loupe, way beyond human naked eye vision in the range of 300dpi. The maximum paper resolution was not always an issue. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:47 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner - Original Message - From: JC OConnell Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner I aint buying it, quality glossy BW (wet) photo paper did better than 12 dots/lines per mm. (300dpi) 300 dpi is near the limit of human vision, the wet paper was way better than that. It wasnt marginal. Whatever. I've copied thousands of old prints. I know what I'm talking about. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D as Scanner
On 5/22/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently I should have written a shorter post to allow you to soak it all up. Mark! -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Hell, there are probably literary journals you could publish this thing in. The good part is that no actual speaker of the English language would ever think this is anything but a bad yet funny translation. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Michael Gaudet Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:37 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4a16b8a6206411157447601! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
I bet the Vatican will approve . . . Best Review EVER. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet. William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm It's definitely the camera for me. This is the real clincher: the addition of the distinguished attachment of a virgin Last Judgment button. I've been pestering camera manufacturers for one of those for years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4a16504b51451752557460! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Hey Bill... Even I did. :-) Jostein 2009/5/22 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Michael Gaudet Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. What I'd like to know is how did you recognize your writing in there? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
- Original Message - From: Desjardins, Steve Subject: RE: Pentax K7 Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. It's a return to their 1980s heyday when they were putting out smallish but very competent cameras that sold like hotcakes. I think it's a really good move for them. The market of high performance cameras has been populated by beheamoths for far too long. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SMC-A 70-210/4 on digital and a few others...
I posted this link earlier in the week but I think I have finally got my website cleared by google again. This has some sample shots with the SMC-A 70/210 lens on Pentax DSLR as promised. The lens is excellent on digital, no visible CA or distortion problems and very sharp. http://www.jchriso.com/boca/boca05152009.htm theres also some other shots on the page taken with other vintage telephotos from Pentax. The smck85-210/3.5 is not as sharp as the 70-210 in the corners. The smcK200/2.5 has some minor issues with CA but otherwise excellent. The A* 300/4 has no issues on digital, excellent for digital and is really small, great for handheld usage. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
What was it originally written in English then translated to Russian in Babblefish, then Google to Japanese then Babblefish again back to English? Bob W wrote: William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm It's definitely the camera for me. This is the real clincher: the addition of the distinguished attachment of a virgin Last Judgment button. I've been pestering camera manufacturers for one of those for years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:57:03AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Desjardins, Steve Subject: RE: Pentax K7 Good, our work is done. Seriously, I'm very encouraged by this camera. Pentax is a small company competing with much a lot of pre-established opinions about what they are and what their competitors are. This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. My only fear is them actually staying in business, but I think the pro/enthusiast level is probably right for them. It's a return to their 1980s heyday when they were putting out smallish but very competent cameras that sold like hotcakes. I think it's a really good move for them. The market of high performance cameras has been populated by beheamoths for far too long. William Robb I agree, although I'd shift the comparison timeframe a little earlier. The MX was small, fully-featured for what it claimed to be, and pretty successful. It was also aimed at the low end of the pro market (and had a 5ps drive :-) Interestingly enough the competition then for that style of camera was also Olympus, with their OM-1. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:14:59AM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Poirier Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread... I too await an explanation for VW. You'll be sorry. VW I didn't think VW stood for much of anything .. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Along the way
Been a while since posting a PESO - I was out prowling around trying to come up with something for the upcoming PUG gallery. Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm ISO 100, 1/750 @ f/4, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_0396.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:02:13AM +0100, mike wilson wrote: John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Or using the flash for catchlights, and wanting to use 1/250 for other reasons (such as, say, photographing cars in motion). High-speed flash sync probably works fine for that, though. Does that produce multiple (or different in some other way) catchlights? Probably, if you look extremely closely. But if I'm using shutter speeds around 1/250s I'm doing that to blur the wheels, and I'm panning with the car to try and prevent blur on the body. The angle between me and the car doesn't change very much, so the catchlight stays in the same place, both on the car and on the sensor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG
I have to agree - a very striking image that was perfectly timed and wonderfully composed. Excellent work! -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, May 21, 2009, 5:42:32 PM, you wrote: ps Compelling. An excellent photograph. ps Paul ps On May 21, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Bob W wrote: Was in SF yesterday ... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg 072 - Landing - San Francisco 2009 Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8 ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3551435307/ Comments always appreciated. Nice shot -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. ps -- ps PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List ps PDML@pdml.net ps http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net ps to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K7
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote: snip This is a very well built camera with many genuinely useful features and a reasonable collection of good lenses. This is all I want Pentax to be. snip You're so demanding! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
