Re: k-5 autofocus vs. Canon 5000 Mark II

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/6/2010 4:32 PM, Thibouille wrote:

As for Mpix, I'm sorry but this is laughable seeing the little
difference. Or why would Nikon guys pay for D700/D3s 'crappy' little
12Mpix sensor.
As for DR, the 7D is bye bye. Oh, D700 is also. Damn. And that 60D
is... well almost a toy.
K5 sealing is better, fps is almost tie (7fps vs 8 fps), High ISOs are
better on K5.


Thibs, you cannot mount Nikon lens on Canon body. You cannot mount a 
Pentax lens on Nikon body, etc. So, if one is shooting Nikon system, the 
wonders of K-5 are irrelevant. If one is having lots of K-mount lenses, 
the 7D's video advantages are irrelevant... And so on.


Seems you have forgotten few smilies here too.

Boris

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Re: Goin' to Beilbyville

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

Walter, please pass Ted my warmest regards.

I remember the similar situation when I was about to travel to Norway in 
2004. I brought with me heavy and big bag full of all kinds of gear. At 
the end, the advise I received prior to that was the most sound one - 
just let go and have fun with your camera, don't sweat about lenses, etc.


HTH.

Boris


On 11/7/2010 5:26 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Hi all,

Just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I'll be leaving tomorrow to
go on a week-long excursion to Arkansas, whereupon I shall engage the
tutelage of one Ted Beilby. Unfortunately, my finances will be severely
limited, forcing me to subsist on hard tack and salt pork. Otherwise,
I'd buy everyone shot glasses from the gift shop.

Any advice on preparation before I head out the door? I have an
extremely crappy inherited tripod (Velbon Victory 451) which I'm tempted
to take, but don't know if it'll be worth the baggage factor. I've used
it on approximately, three shots since I got my K-x, but have never
really found it useful for the types of photography I've done. Will it
be worth my while to take it along on hikes given its relative
shoddiness, or would I be just as well off shooting handheld with shake
reduction?

I'll be packing my whopping total of four lenses, though I suspect I'll
only get much use out of two of them -- 18-55 and 50-200 DA L kit
lenses. The other two are my 70-300 Promaster 4/5.6 and Takumar 135 2.5.
I don't know how useful either of them would be, but I'll have them just
in case.

Any suggestions in addition to the guiding hand of Mr. Beilby will be
much appreciated. I'll be heading out at 8:00 AM central time and don't
know how much access to the list I'll have once I get there.

Thanks in advance for any quick tips you can offer before I leave!

-- Walt

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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Funny you should post this report, Jaume. Few days ago I had very 
similar experience with my K-7 - misconfigured the flash and it did not 
fire in rather dimly lit room. I had to apply a bit of Topaz Denoise 
(but again, I fancy it now, 'cause it is my most recent 'toy') and the 
picture was totally salvageable.


The opposite however is much more interesting. Off top of my head, K10D 
has about 1 Ev (may be a bit more) of RAW headroom in bright areas. K-7 
in turn has hardly 0.5 Ev. In fact, K-7 really sucks when it comes to 
dealing with bright light - minimal exposure error - total loss. I will 
be much more interested to know how K-5 fares in that department. I 
sincerely hope it does better than both K10D and K-7.


Oh yes, I just said that out loud - K-7 sensor really sucks.

Boris


On 11/6/2010 10:47 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

This fortunate Spanish K-5 owner tried to recover a picture where the flash
didn't fire when it was supposed to do (it wasn't charged).


They challenged the camera for fun and were surprised by the results:
http://www.pentaxeros.com/forum/index.php?topic=37916.0








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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Fascinating, Paul. Except just one lens, the seller of which forewarned 
me of necessity to align focus, all my lenses and cameras are spot on in 
AF department. I did not perform any calibration or scientific 
(semi-scientific, quarter-scientific?!) tests, but judging from rather 
accurate (in case of K-7 even properly shimmed and calibrated by 
testing) Katz Eye screen, my gear doesn't have any front/back focus 
problems whatsoever. Curious, really.


Clarification: I am talking about center AF point.

Boris



On 11/7/2010 3:42 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

I adjusted the camera for all six of my autofocus lenses this
morning. i did it with the target I've used before. The moire method
sounded even more difficult and time consuming. In any case, five of
the six came in at 2 or 3 clicks in one direction or the other. None
were dead on at zero. That's less deviation than I saw with most of
my other Pentax DSLRs. Similar to what I saw with the K-7. One lense,
the FA 35/2 required a + 10 adjustment. I believe the K-7 number for
that lens was way up there as bell. I'll have to have a look. I
double and triple checked most of them. Checked zooms at full zoom
and half way. If there was a discrepancy, I leaned toward getting it
right at the longer focal length, since DOF is reduced. I'm now
happily dialed in.

Paul



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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 4:32 AM, Miserere wrote:

I'm sure your camera will be fine, but I was curious nontheless. I'm
sure Boris will chime in with his tale of woe getting correct manual
focus on his K-7.


Boris chiming is.

Based on my experience with K-7, Pentax Israel and Rachael Katz herself, 
I will be very surprised if K-5's screen was properly and accurately 
aligned for precision manual focusing. One of the things that really 
irks me is that even if I were to buy a new camera (K-5? K-3?) say in 
summer 2011, I'd have to go through that bothersome saga one more time. 
Fine mechanical tuning and precision are things of the past, it seems.


Boris chiming out.


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Re: Anyone wanna come see the 645D in Boston this weekend?

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
I have a vague Chicagoan recollection of taking a shot of you, sir, in 
the similar position with different prosthetics (or are they 
bio-plug-in/out's? *grin*). I might dig it out just for the heck of it...


Boris


On 11/7/2010 4:39 AM, Miserere wrote:

On 6 November 2010 15:21, Christine Nielsench...@inielsen.net  wrote:

That was fun!  The 645D is indeed awesome... but I came home really
wanting a k-5.  :)  And a 55 /1.4.   Getting to see - and touch -- all
that Pentax gear in one place is such a rarity!  We were very busy
testing everything, and conducting side-by-side comparisons of all
available models:

http://inielsen.com/bloggerpics/miserere.jpg

:)
-c


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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Paul, do you have any photos where Grace is sliding down the hmmm, I 
don't know how this thing is called - when you climb up and then slide 
down to the ground? I'd like to see that K-5 manages to AFC (new English 
word?!) mid-motion?


Boris

On 11/7/2010 12:51 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:

The sun warmed things up a bit this afternoon so Grace and I went to the
park. I shot a number of action pics. The K-5 seemed to be able to lock
in good focus on 7 to 8 tries out of 10. That's considerably better than
the K-7, which was somewhat better than the K20D. It didn't nail every
shot perfectly -- some included pretty violent motion right at the
camera -- but it never left me in the lurch. It always locked in.
Results for spot and continuous were similar. Perhaps a slightly higher
percentage of misses with continuous. But operator error comes into play
here as well, and the sample is still relatively small. But I'm pleased.

The first eight pics in this folder are from today. All are action,
except the one of Grace sitting on the rail. A noteworthy achievement:
she tried to sled down the astroturf hill standing up. First time.
Almost made it.

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Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

I am more than partially and less than defective :-).

Boris


On 11/7/2010 3:37 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

On 11/2/2010 2:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Miserere wrote:


On 2 November 2010 02:37, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote:

Since you like me are wordy, my just as wordy reply interspersed :-).


So you're planning on partially defecting, Boris?

Are you suggesting that Boris is partially defective?


He'd have to be at least partially defective, he's here isn't he?



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Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 3:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

or it could be his canny way of forcing Pentax to announce that mythical
23x36mm sensor camera.


23x36 is pretty mythical. But 22x38 is more mythical, methinks...

Boris


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Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 3:46 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

The aperture lever isn't the mythical aperture simulator, every K mount
lens, (except mirror telephotos), has an aperture lever to this very day.


Don't split levers, Peter. Proper mount has two mechanical couplings - 
one to engage the aperture during the shot and one to hmmm well, engage 
it but for different purpose - for measuring. Pentax has invented the 
infamous green button thinking that looking at green color will pacify 
our nerves. Boy, was Pentax mistaken.


Boris


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Re: K10D-K-5 size

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

I thought so too, Cotty...

On 11/7/2010 1:04 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 6/11/10, P N Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:


It would be too small for me without the grip, but with
the trip it's excellent.


Paul I thought you were laying off the pills for a while.

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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have 
invaded Star Trek universe...


Boris


On 11/6/2010 5:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Jeffery Smith


My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard.

Jeffery

On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English
dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic.



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Re: K5 birthday at ISO 1600

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

Happy birthday, Rachel S :-).

Boris

On 11/6/2010 9:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Here are some shots from last night's celebration.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#5536503030601713330
ISO 1600 31mm f2.5 @ 1/50 to 1/100th with minor tweaks in LR3.2
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Re: DxO results for K-5

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days?


There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry 
- the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting 
with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts...


Boris-the-old-..rt

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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-07 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 11:43:55PM -0600, steve harley wrote:

 my first programming was on a calculator with 100 steps and a 10-digit  
 numeric display, but then i was fortunate to have fairly advanced  
 equipment when i got to college (dozens of VT-100 terminals on a DEC-20  
 and a PDP-11/45) . . .

Hmm.

My first programming was on a Stantec Zebra (2K words of drum memory).
At college I had access to an extremely advanced computer - an Atlas -
and a PDP-7 (and, in assorted other departments, a PDP-8 and IBM 1130)
(And, a bit later on, I got hands-on access to play with an IBM 360/45).

My first programming for pay was on a DECSystem-10 at UMIST, with
Adage ARDS-1 storage tube displays (later joined by Tektronix 4010s).
By the time the DECSystem-20 (and, for that matter, the VT-100) came
along I was working for DEC.



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Re: peso scale

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Christine, the color shot is more alive and/or interesting probably also 
because the door on the right is not as much in the shadow as it is in 
b/w image. Perhaps you can play with tonalities and curves a bit and 
open up the shadows on the b/w image. This would make the b/w a stronger 
competitor to its color sibling. I tend to like the b/w but I'd like to 
see more opened shadows too.


Boris


On 11/6/2010 6:44 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

I really don't do much still life and forgot I even took this until I
stumbled upon it in Lightroom tonight. I think I prefer the color.

http://www.caguila.com/caguila/scale/index.html

Comments welcome, Cheers, Christine from Chicago




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Re: Let's bring back the K-1000

2010-11-07 Thread Brian Walters
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:28 -0400, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 6 November 2010 22:44, Brendan MacRae brendanmacrae1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  From a list of 30 things the author would like see brought back.
 
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley-m-m-blume/25-things-that-need-to-st_b_779005.html#s176231
 
 
  -Brendan
 
 I'd bring back using the right photograph to illustrate an article.
 



Yes, although that Yashica (possibly a GSN) was a fine piece of
equipment.  Still is if you can find a working one.


Cheers

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GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Cotty
Haven't shown any pics in such a long time, and I stumbled across this
galley that I put together a couple of years ago but forgot where it
was. Pics made using R-D1 and 1DmII but with a liberal usage of the
A*85/1.4 and the K15/3.5 - you'll have to guess which lens. Link takes
you to thumbs. The mighty viking Jostein The Bjold features.

http://gallery.me.com/cottycam#100019bgcolor=blackview=grid



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Re: DxO results for K-5

2010-11-07 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days?
 
 There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the 
 DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 
 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts...

I didn't say *new* image stabilized Nikon lenses.  

My point being that there are probably a lot of cases where a K-5 with an 
adapter and the 50/1.4 supertak you picked up with the $10 spotmatic at the 
garage sale last year will outperform a D700 with an image stabilized f/2.8, or 
an unstabilized f/1.4.

Although I may have totally missed the memo about Nikon making image stabilized 
lenses faster than f/2.8.

Granted, if you've got a good tripod and the night skies of the aussie outback 
to photograph, I expect the D700 will still outperform a K-5.  I am rather 
curious to see what Nikon comes up with to replace the D700.  Maybe they'll 
upgrade it with the sensor from their current top of the line.

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RE: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Bob W
 Haven't shown any pics in such a long time, and I stumbled across this
galley
 that I put together a couple of years ago but forgot where it was. Pics
made
 using R-D1 and 1DmII but with a liberal usage of the
 A*85/1.4 and the K15/3.5 - you'll have to guess which lens. Link takes you
to
 thumbs. The mighty viking Jostein The Bjold features.
 
 http://gallery.me.com/cottycam#100019bgcolor=blackview=grid

very nice. They certainly breed some healthy-looking ladies in Fractalland.

B


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RE: Let's bring back the K-1000

2010-11-07 Thread Bob W
 From a list of 30 things the author would like see brought back.
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley-m-m-blume/25-things-that-need-
 to-st_b_779005.html#s176231
 

she should come to Yurp - we still have most of those things.

B


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RE: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Bob W
The Scottish are all Irish really.

 Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have
invaded
 Star Trek universe...
 
 Boris
 
 
 On 11/6/2010 5:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
  From: Jeffery Smith
 
  My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard.
 
  Jeffery
 
  On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
  
  Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English
  dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic.
 
 
  Don't forget Mister Beam me up Scotty Scott.
 
 
 
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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread eckinator
All I can say is that the DFA 50 that I am looking to sell focuses
like a charm after I took it to Pentax for microfocus adjustment -
they have a machine for that here in ze mosserlant.
Ecke

2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On 11/7/2010 4:32 AM, Miserere wrote:

 I'm sure your camera will be fine, but I was curious nontheless. I'm
 sure Boris will chime in with his tale of woe getting correct manual
 focus on his K-7.

 Boris chiming is.

 Based on my experience with K-7, Pentax Israel and Rachael Katz herself, I
 will be very surprised if K-5's screen was properly and accurately aligned
 for precision manual focusing. One of the things that really irks me is that
 even if I were to buy a new camera (K-5? K-3?) say in summer 2011, I'd have
 to go through that bothersome saga one more time. Fine mechanical tuning and
 precision are things of the past, it seems.

 Boris chiming out.


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Re: DxO results for K-5

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

On 11/7/2010 10:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for
these days?


There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up,
Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's
shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts...


I didn't say *new* image stabilized Nikon lenses.


Well, Larry, by asking a question (quoted above) re the prices of such 
lenses, you made an opening whereupon you could be understood as asking 
about the new such lenses that are offered for sale nowadays...



My point being that there are probably a lot of cases where a K-5
with an adapter and the 50/1.4 supertak you picked up with the $10
spotmatic at the garage sale last year will outperform a D700 with an
image stabilized f/2.8, or an unstabilized f/1.4.


Outperform in which department? I am asking merely to be sure you and I 
are talking about the same aspect.



Although I may have totally missed the memo about Nikon making image
stabilized lenses faster than f/2.8.

Granted, if you've got a good tripod and the night skies of the
aussie outback to photograph, I expect the D700 will still outperform
a K-5.  I am rather curious to see what Nikon comes up with to
replace the D700.  Maybe they'll upgrade it with the sensor from
their current top of the line.


I am shooting now both with MZ-6 and MX and I will see how many shots of 
mine are going to suffer from camera shake... I still maintain that for 
most part the importance of shake reduction, although non-zero is still 
way over appreciated.


Boris

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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters.

Boris

On 11/7/2010 10:58 AM, Bob W wrote:

The Scottish are all Irish really.


Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have

invaded

Star Trek universe...

Boris


On 11/6/2010 5:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Jeffery Smith


My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard.

Jeffery

On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:



Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English
dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic.



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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread eckinator
2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

 All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters.

I am NOT your sister!!! Get that outta yer rotten mind!!!

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Re: Goin' to Beilbyville

2010-11-07 Thread Cotty
On 6/11/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:

Any suggestions in addition to the guiding hand of Mr. Beilby will be
much appreciated.

Ted is a real gentleman and one of the warmest people I have ever met. I
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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Paul, do you have any photos where Grace is sliding down the hmmm, I
don't know how this thing is called - when you climb up and then slide
down to the ground?

One of these?

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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Great gallery, Cotty. Not without reason, some of the motifs can be 
found in my photos too... *wink wink*


Boris

On 11/7/2010 10:04 AM, Cotty wrote:

Haven't shown any pics in such a long time, and I stumbled across this
galley that I put together a couple of years ago but forgot where it
was. Pics made using R-D1 and 1DmII but with a liberal usage of the
A*85/1.4 and the K15/3.5 - you'll have to guess which lens. Link takes
you to thumbs. The mighty viking Jostein The Bjold features.

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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have
invaded Star Trek universe...

James Doohan who played Scotty was Canadian ;-)

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RE: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Bob W
 On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have
 invaded Star Trek universe...
 
 James Doohan who played Scotty was Canadian ;-)
 

Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish.

Apart from the Albanian ones.

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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread eckinator
2010/11/7 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish.

 Apart from the Albanian ones.

anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance?

It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania /
much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ...

Thanks
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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread eckinator
found part of it from a source that attributes it to a 1982 Alexei Sayle single:

Albania! Albania!
Not nearly as repressive as Roumania
Easier to spell than Boueftsgwachgznia
And if we don't win any games
The secret police will confiscate our dentures
The secret police will take away our extra meat ration
The secret police will shout at our slippers...

ring a bell anyone?

2010/11/7 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 2010/11/7 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish.

 Apart from the Albanian ones.

 anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance?

 It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania /
 much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ...

 Thanks
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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Cotty, the key of the sliding device is infinite repeatability of 
sliding experience. What you're offering is fundamentally different.


Boris

P.S. It also explains why your son is doing whatever he is doing with 
that viking helmet...


On 11/7/2010 11:48 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:


Paul, do you have any photos where Grace is sliding down the hmmm, I
don't know how this thing is called - when you climb up and then slide
down to the ground?


One of these?

http://blog.rac.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/grated_slide_for_kids.jpg

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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 11:32 AM, eckinator wrote:

2010/11/7 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:


All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters.


I am NOT your sister!!! Get that outta yer rotten mind!!!



ROTFLMAO.



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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

Albania or Elbonia?

Boris

On 11/7/2010 12:39 PM, eckinator wrote:

found part of it from a source that attributes it to a 1982 Alexei Sayle single:

Albania! Albania!
Not nearly as repressive as Roumania
Easier to spell than Boueftsgwachgznia
And if we don't win any games
The secret police will confiscate our dentures
The secret police will take away our extra meat ration
The secret police will shout at our slippers...

ring a bell anyone?

2010/11/7 eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com:

2010/11/7 Bob Wp...@web-options.com:


Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish.

Apart from the Albanian ones.


anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance?

It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania /
much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ...

Thanks
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Re: Geso My wedding album

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Most enjoyable gallery, Dave. I can almost fill the chilly weather and 
the warmth of the party. I am looking forward to your competition with 
Mister Granpa Stenquist...


Boris


On 11/6/2010 7:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

My PJ type shots from Erin and James' wedding last weekend.

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-erinandjames/album/index.html

WARNING; GRATUITOUS NUDITY ON PAGE FIVE, REGIMENTAL SCOTSMAN.

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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:22 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Cotty, the key of the sliding device is infinite repeatability of sliding 
 experience. What you're offering is fundamentally different.
 
 Boris
 
 P.S. It also explains why your son is doing whatever he is doing with that 
 viking helmet...

It also explains why Cotty is always getting a little behind in his work.


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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread paul stenquist
My autofocus wouldn't seem to have any front/rear autofocus problems either. 
Those plus or minus two or three click adjustments are extremely small changes 
and aren't apparent in the focusing screen.  But fine adjustment is worth the 
effort. I don't think any autofocus system is spot on with all lenses from the 
factory. The variation is generally in the lens construction, and I suspect 
that lenses change a bit over time with wear and settling of parts. I wouldn't 
use a new camera for serious business without first calibrating the autofocus.
Paul
On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Fascinating, Paul. Except just one lens, the seller of which forewarned me of 
 necessity to align focus, all my lenses and cameras are spot on in AF 
 department. I did not perform any calibration or scientific (semi-scientific, 
 quarter-scientific?!) tests, but judging from rather accurate (in case of K-7 
 even properly shimmed and calibrated by testing) Katz Eye screen, my gear 
 doesn't have any front/back focus problems whatsoever. Curious, really.
 
 Clarification: I am talking about center AF point.
 
 Boris
 
 
 
 On 11/7/2010 3:42 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
 I adjusted the camera for all six of my autofocus lenses this
 morning. i did it with the target I've used before. The moire method
 sounded even more difficult and time consuming. In any case, five of
 the six came in at 2 or 3 clicks in one direction or the other. None
 were dead on at zero. That's less deviation than I saw with most of
 my other Pentax DSLRs. Similar to what I saw with the K-7. One lense,
 the FA 35/2 required a + 10 adjustment. I believe the K-7 number for
 that lens was way up there as bell. I'll have to have a look. I
 double and triple checked most of them. Checked zooms at full zoom
 and half way. If there was a discrepancy, I leaned toward getting it
 right at the longer focal length, since DOF is reduced. I'm now
 happily dialed in.
 
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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread paul stenquist

On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 11/7/2010 4:32 AM, Miserere wrote:
 I'm sure your camera will be fine, but I was curious nontheless. I'm
 sure Boris will chime in with his tale of woe getting correct manual
 focus on his K-7.
 
 Boris chiming is.
 
 Based on my experience with K-7, Pentax Israel and Rachael Katz herself, I 
 will be very surprised if K-5's screen was properly and accurately aligned 
 for precision manual focusing. One of the things that really irks me is that 
 even if I were to buy a new camera (K-5? K-3?) say in summer 2011, I'd have 
 to go through that bothersome saga one more time. Fine mechanical tuning and 
 precision are things of the past, it seems.
 
 Boris chiming out.

I'm going to check the screen for manual focus. I'll let you know. 
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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread paul stenquist

On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:39 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Paul, do you have any photos where Grace is sliding down the hmmm, I don't 
 know how this thing is called - when you climb up and then slide down to the 
 ground? I'd like to see that K-5 manages to AFC (new English word?!) 
 mid-motion?

All of the pics on the hill are mid motion, as are those on the swing and tire. 
Those on the hill are very rapid motion, right toward camera. The K-5 was able 
to lock focus accurately most of the time in both C and S modes.
Paul
 
 Boris
 
 On 11/7/2010 12:51 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
 The sun warmed things up a bit this afternoon so Grace and I went to the
 park. I shot a number of action pics. The K-5 seemed to be able to lock
 in good focus on 7 to 8 tries out of 10. That's considerably better than
 the K-7, which was somewhat better than the K20D. It didn't nail every
 shot perfectly -- some included pretty violent motion right at the
 camera -- but it never left me in the lurch. It always locked in.
 Results for spot and continuous were similar. Perhaps a slightly higher
 percentage of misses with continuous. But operator error comes into play
 here as well, and the sample is still relatively small. But I'm pleased.
 
 The first eight pics in this folder are from today. All are action,
 except the one of Grace sitting on the rail. A noteworthy achievement:
 she tried to sled down the astroturf hill standing up. First time.
 Almost made it.
 
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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread paul stenquist
I've shot those type of slices successfully with the K7 a number of times. 
Didn't try it yesterday. But the artificial grass sliding hill that I did soot 
it faster. 
Paul
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:48 AM, Cotty wrote:

 On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Paul, do you have any photos where Grace is sliding down the hmmm, I
 don't know how this thing is called - when you climb up and then slide
 down to the ground?
 
 One of these?
 
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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

I'm going to check the screen for manual focus. I'll let you know.
Paul


Thanks, Paul!

I think it will prove beneficial for you as well, as even the best 
electronics may require an occasional human intervention...


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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:24 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 All I can say is that the DFA 50 that I am looking to sell focuses
 like a charm after I took it to Pentax for microfocus adjustment -
 they have a machine for that here in ze mosserlant.
 Ecke

I had Pentax Canada check my K10D with my D FA 50 as well, and they
did some sort of adjustment as it is spot on now. They said my camera
did not have any BF so i guess it just needed lens adjustments were
needed/

Dave

 2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On 11/7/2010 4:32 AM, Miserere wrote:

 I'm sure your camera will be fine, but I was curious nontheless. I'm
 sure Boris will chime in with his tale of woe getting correct manual
 focus on his K-7.

 Boris chiming is.

 Based on my experience with K-7, Pentax Israel and Rachael Katz herself, I
 will be very surprised if K-5's screen was properly and accurately aligned
 for precision manual focusing. One of the things that really irks me is that
 even if I were to buy a new camera (K-5? K-3?) say in summer 2011, I'd have
 to go through that bothersome saga one more time. Fine mechanical tuning and
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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:42 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 I adjusted the camera for all six of my autofocus lenses this morning. i did 
 it with the target I've used before.

Is this available somewhere.??

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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread eckinator
2010/11/7 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:

 I've shot those type of slices successfully with the K7 a number of times.

Does the K-7 also dice or does one need a K-5 for that?

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Re: K-5 autofocus observations

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
I think i have mentioned before, that i rarely us AF C but stick with
AF S and use a machine gun type of action on the shutter release,
doing my own af c so to speak. It worked very well during my equine
action days, so i stuck with it.

Dave

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:06 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Thanks Stan.
 I always preselect the focus point. Top point, with the camera in a vertical
 position on all of these. Most are in the S mode. A couple were in C mode.
 Didn't have much trouble locking in in S mode, so I stuck with it for the
 most part, but wanted to try continuous as well. Of course continuous will
 allow the shutter to fire even if it's not locked in. (That's the way I have
 it set in custom functions. Might change that.)
 Paul

 On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

 Nice!

 What AF setting? Are you pre-selecting the focal point?

 stan

 On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:51 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:

 The sun warmed things up a bit this afternoon so Grace and I went to the
 park. I shot a number of action pics. The K-5 seemed to be able to lock in
 good focus on 7 to 8 tries out of 10. That's considerably better than the
 K-7, which was somewhat better than the K20D. It didn't nail every shot
 perfectly -- some included pretty violent motion right at the camera -- but
 it never left me in the lurch. It always locked in. Results for spot and
 continuous were similar. Perhaps a slightly higher percentage of misses with
 continuous. But operator error comes into play here as well, and the sample
 is still relatively small. But I'm pleased.

 The first eight pics in this folder are from today. All are action,
 except the one of Grace sitting on the rail.  A noteworthy achievement: she
 tried to sled down the astroturf hill standing up. First time. Almost made
 it.

 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=643396

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PESO - The Lost One

2010-11-07 Thread frank theriault
This didn't work in BW - or at least I haven't found the right
rendering yet.  I ~do~ like this colour version, though.  Hope you do,
too:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/lost-one.html

Comments welcome.

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Re: Geso My wedding album

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:42 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Well done! If the hired-gun photographer blew it completely, they'd still be
 left with lots of memories.
 Paul

Thanks Paul. I was told to leave my camera at home and enjoy myself,
but we all know that would never happen, eh.:-)
I tried not to get in their way, just shoot off to the side. I am
planning a family calendar from the 3 weddings this year, and wanted
some back up shots in case their photographer was tardy in his
submissions.

Dave
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 David J Brooks wrote:

 My PJ type shots from Erin and James' wedding last weekend.

 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-erinandjames/album/index.html

 WARNING; GRATUITOUS NUDITY ON PAGE FIVE, REGIMENTAL SCOTSMAN.

 YOU ARE FOR WARNED.

 Excellent, Dave. Any party that brings out the fire department has to
 be a good one!

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Re: Geso My wedding album

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Most enjoyable gallery, Dave. I can almost fill the chilly weather and the
 warmth of the party. I am looking forward to your competition with Mister
 Granpa Stenquist...
LOL If and when that day comes, i'm sure i'll find time for grand kid shots.

Dave

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 My PJ type shots from Erin and James' wedding last weekend.

 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-erinandjames/album/index.html

 WARNING; GRATUITOUS NUDITY ON PAGE FIVE, REGIMENTAL SCOTSMAN.

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Re: K10D-K-5 size

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 6/11/10, P N Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

 It would be too small for me without the grip, but with
the trip it's excellent.

 Paul I thought you were laying off the pills for a while.

Paul is taking my study at home class.

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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Tim Øsleby
From my limited understanding, the higher dynamic range of the K-5
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2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Funny you should post this report, Jaume. Few days ago I had very similar
 experience with my K-7 - misconfigured the flash and it did not fire in
 rather dimly lit room. I had to apply a bit of Topaz Denoise (but again, I
 fancy it now, 'cause it is my most recent 'toy') and the picture was totally
 salvageable.

 The opposite however is much more interesting. Off top of my head, K10D has
 about 1 Ev (may be a bit more) of RAW headroom in bright areas. K-7 in turn
 has hardly 0.5 Ev. In fact, K-7 really sucks when it comes to dealing with
 bright light - minimal exposure error - total loss. I will be much more
 interested to know how K-5 fares in that department. I sincerely hope it
 does better than both K10D and K-7.

 Oh yes, I just said that out loud - K-7 sensor really sucks.

 Boris


 On 11/6/2010 10:47 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

 This fortunate Spanish K-5 owner tried to recover a picture where the
 flash
 didn't fire when it was supposed to do (it wasn't charged).


 They challenged the camera for fun and were surprised by the results:
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Re: K10D-K-5 size

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:44 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 It's smaller. It would be too small for me without the grip, but with the
 trip it's excellent. It's shaped better than previous Pentax DSLRs -- more
 of a built in grip that is properly proportioned. The same as the K-7 if
 you've tried that.
 Paul

Never tried the K7. As long as its bigger than the istD, which i found
to small for my liking.
I'm used to the big bulky cameras, like my D series, they seem to fit
short stubby hands like mine.

Dave
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:28 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Is it bigger, smaller, the same.??

 I found the istD to small, but the K10D just right.

 Go for it guys

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Re: Let's bring back the K-1000

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
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 There are always mossbacks, and who says that the K-1000 ever really went
 away.

Exactly. I still have two, and i see them for sale at Henrys still.
Not sure if the schools photography classes still use them or they
have gone digital

Dave

 On 11/6/2010 9:44 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

  From a list of 30 things the author would like see brought back.


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Re: PESO - The Lost One

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
With out seeing the BW , i;d say the colour works best here.

Dave

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 This didn't work in BW - or at least I haven't found the right
 rendering yet.  I ~do~ like this colour version, though.  Hope you do,
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 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/lost-one.html

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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Tim, this is my understanding as well. However, I want to know how much 
of it goes to the dark areas (see the 9.5 EV pull out from /almost/ 
total blackness example) and how much of it goes to the bright areas 
(remains to be seen). In particular K-7 seems to have somewhat deeper DR 
in dark areas wheres in bright areas it simply sucks. Considering the 
fact that Pentax do not advertise any changes in their PRIME engine, I 
would hazard a guess that the bias is still similar - most of the DR 
goes to the dark part of the histogram. Thus is my interest.


Boris


On 11/7/2010 2:23 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

From my limited understanding, the higher dynamic range of the K-5

indicates a lot more headroom. I may be totally wrong about this.

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2010/11/7 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:

Funny you should post this report, Jaume. Few days ago I had very similar
experience with my K-7 - misconfigured the flash and it did not fire in
rather dimly lit room. I had to apply a bit of Topaz Denoise (but again, I
fancy it now, 'cause it is my most recent 'toy') and the picture was totally
salvageable.

The opposite however is much more interesting. Off top of my head, K10D has
about 1 Ev (may be a bit more) of RAW headroom in bright areas. K-7 in turn
has hardly 0.5 Ev. In fact, K-7 really sucks when it comes to dealing with
bright light - minimal exposure error - total loss. I will be much more
interested to know how K-5 fares in that department. I sincerely hope it
does better than both K10D and K-7.

Oh yes, I just said that out loud - K-7 sensor really sucks.

Boris


On 11/6/2010 10:47 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:


This fortunate Spanish K-5 owner tried to recover a picture where the
flash
didn't fire when it was supposed to do (it wasn't charged).


They challenged the camera for fun and were surprised by the results:
http://www.pentaxeros.com/forum/index.php?topic=37916.0








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Re: Goin' to Beilbyville

2010-11-07 Thread Walter Gilbert

   Thank you, Boris!

I'll be sure to pass along your sentiments and maximize my photographic 
fun.  It'll probably take me a good week to go through the photos when I 
get back.


'Til then ...

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On 11/7/2010 1:22 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Walter, please pass Ted my warmest regards.

I remember the similar situation when I was about to travel to Norway 
in 2004. I brought with me heavy and big bag full of all kinds of 
gear. At the end, the advise I received prior to that was the most 
sound one - just let go and have fun with your camera, don't sweat 
about lenses, etc.


HTH.

Boris


On 11/7/2010 5:26 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Hi all,

Just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I'll be leaving tomorrow to
go on a week-long excursion to Arkansas, whereupon I shall engage the
tutelage of one Ted Beilby. Unfortunately, my finances will be severely
limited, forcing me to subsist on hard tack and salt pork. Otherwise,
I'd buy everyone shot glasses from the gift shop.

Any advice on preparation before I head out the door? I have an
extremely crappy inherited tripod (Velbon Victory 451) which I'm tempted
to take, but don't know if it'll be worth the baggage factor. I've used
it on approximately, three shots since I got my K-x, but have never
really found it useful for the types of photography I've done. Will it
be worth my while to take it along on hikes given its relative
shoddiness, or would I be just as well off shooting handheld with shake
reduction?

I'll be packing my whopping total of four lenses, though I suspect I'll
only get much use out of two of them -- 18-55 and 50-200 DA L kit
lenses. The other two are my 70-300 Promaster 4/5.6 and Takumar 135 2.5.
I don't know how useful either of them would be, but I'll have them just
in case.

Any suggestions in addition to the guiding hand of Mr. Beilby will be
much appreciated. I'll be heading out at 8:00 AM central time and don't
know how much access to the list I'll have once I get there.

Thanks in advance for any quick tips you can offer before I leave!

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On K-5 dynamic range. Somewhat tangential question.

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

DXOMark 
(http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/All-tested-sensors/Pentax/K5) 
publishes that K-5 has 14.1 EV of dynamic range. My understanding 
thereof is that its sensor can tell apart 2^14.1 different shades which 
although close but slightly bigger than 14 bit RAW as per Pentax own 
specification.


I realize that dynamic range is not the same as how many useful bits of 
data per pixel RAW format contains. However, given that both are scales 
of powers of two, it would seem to be interesting to consider which part 
of these 14 bits (or 14 EVs) corresponds linearly to one another.


As a side remark I think it is very odd that one is bigger than another. 
Few examples to point:


Phase One P65 Plus - 16 bit RAW, 13 EV of DR
Leica M9 - 14 bit RAW, 11.7 EV of DR
Nikon D3S - 14 bit RAW, 12 EV of DR

What do you think?

Thanks.

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Re: Goin' to Beilbyville

2010-11-07 Thread Walter Gilbert

  Hi Cotty,

I'm looking forward to meeting Ted.  I was hoping to do so over some 
drag racing this summer, but we never got around to it.  But, better in 
autumn than never.


I look forward to reporting in with the details a week (or so) hence.

Best,

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On 11/7/2010 3:45 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 6/11/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:


Any suggestions in addition to the guiding hand of Mr. Beilby will be
much appreciated.

Ted is a real gentleman and one of the warmest people I have ever met. I
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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Jack Davis
Enjoyed all, Cotty!

Jack

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 From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com
 Subject: GESO - Norway 2008
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 1:04 AM
 Haven't shown any pics in such a long
 time, and I stumbled across this
 galley that I put together a couple of years ago but forgot
 where it
 was. Pics made using R-D1 and 1DmII but with a liberal
 usage of the
 A*85/1.4 and the K15/3.5 - you'll have to guess which lens.
 Link takes
 you to thumbs. The mighty viking Jostein The Bjold
 features.
 
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Re: PESO 2010 - 193 - GDG

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Looking good, Godfrey. And tasteful too, though sweets are out of my 
favor as of some time by now :-).


On 11/7/2010 1:03 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

A casual still-life from this morning's walk and breakfast ...

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5152606794/lightbox/
   Olympus E-5 + ZD 35mm f/3.5 Macro
   ISO 1600 @ f/5 @ 1/25 second

(If you have trouble viewing that in Flickr.com's lightbox mode, here's the 
link to the regular page:
   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5152606794/ )

enjoy!

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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Tim Øsleby
I believe that more headroom in the dark areas is in the nature of the
sensor wells.

When a cup is full, you can't pour more water into it. If you try to,
you pours over. I think it is almost as simple as that.
In the dark areas, on the other hand, the information will be obscured
by noise, but it the information is present. In other words, you can
recover more information there.

Higher dynamic range gives us opportunity to expose more
conservatively without loosing information. I think this is what gives
us more headroom in practical use.

But as suggested; I'm just a bloke who speculates on this topic.
Others may have mush better answers.

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2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Tim, this is my understanding as well. However, I want to know how much of
 it goes to the dark areas (see the 9.5 EV pull out from /almost/ total
 blackness example) and how much of it goes to the bright areas (remains to
 be seen). In particular K-7 seems to have somewhat deeper DR in dark areas
 wheres in bright areas it simply sucks. Considering the fact that Pentax do
 not advertise any changes in their PRIME engine, I would hazard a guess that
 the bias is still similar - most of the DR goes to the dark part of the
 histogram. Thus is my interest.

 Boris


 On 11/7/2010 2:23 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 From my limited understanding, the higher dynamic range of the K-5

 indicates a lot more headroom. I may be totally wrong about this.

 --
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 http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/



 2010/11/7 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:

 Funny you should post this report, Jaume. Few days ago I had very similar
 experience with my K-7 - misconfigured the flash and it did not fire in
 rather dimly lit room. I had to apply a bit of Topaz Denoise (but again,
 I
 fancy it now, 'cause it is my most recent 'toy') and the picture was
 totally
 salvageable.

 The opposite however is much more interesting. Off top of my head, K10D
 has
 about 1 Ev (may be a bit more) of RAW headroom in bright areas. K-7 in
 turn
 has hardly 0.5 Ev. In fact, K-7 really sucks when it comes to dealing
 with
 bright light - minimal exposure error - total loss. I will be much more
 interested to know how K-5 fares in that department. I sincerely hope it
 does better than both K10D and K-7.

 Oh yes, I just said that out loud - K-7 sensor really sucks.

 Boris


 On 11/6/2010 10:47 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

 This fortunate Spanish K-5 owner tried to recover a picture where the
 flash
 didn't fire when it was supposed to do (it wasn't charged).


 They challenged the camera for fun and were surprised by the results:
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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
Good stuff.

Enjoyed Funicular railway

Dave

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 galley that I put together a couple of years ago but forgot where it
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Re: DxO results for K-5

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days?

 There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry -
 the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA
 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts...

 Boris-the-old-..rt

The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the
Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the
Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4


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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Higher dynamic range gives us opportunity to expose more
 conservatively without loosing information. I think this is what gives
 us more headroom in practical use.

Exactly. 

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Re: On K-5 dynamic range. Somewhat tangential question.

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
Dynamic Range in EV has no effect on the amount of shades the K-5 can
discern, it is merely defines the maximum and minimum brightness
values which supply usable data at the same time. The ability to
discern individual shades (or more properly differences between two
shades) is solely controlled by how many bits wide the ADC system is.
The K-5 can discern 2^14 shades maximum across a 14.1 EV ( a
brightness range of 2^14.1) range according to the DxO tests. There is
no direct correspondence between the two.

-Adam

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 Hi!

 DXOMark
 (http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/All-tested-sensors/Pentax/K5)
 publishes that K-5 has 14.1 EV of dynamic range. My understanding thereof is
 that its sensor can tell apart 2^14.1 different shades which although close
 but slightly bigger than 14 bit RAW as per Pentax own specification.

 I realize that dynamic range is not the same as how many useful bits of data
 per pixel RAW format contains. However, given that both are scales of powers
 of two, it would seem to be interesting to consider which part of these 14
 bits (or 14 EVs) corresponds linearly to one another.

 As a side remark I think it is very odd that one is bigger than another. Few
 examples to point:

 Phase One P65 Plus - 16 bit RAW, 13 EV of DR
 Leica M9 - 14 bit RAW, 11.7 EV of DR
 Nikon D3S - 14 bit RAW, 12 EV of DR

 What do you think?

 Thanks.

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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/11/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

Enjoyed Funicular railway

Watch that spelling boy ;-)

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Re: k-5 autofocus vs. Canon 5000 Mark II

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11/6/2010 4:32 PM, Thibouille wrote:

 As for Mpix, I'm sorry but this is laughable seeing the little
 difference. Or why would Nikon guys pay for D700/D3s 'crappy' little
 12Mpix sensor.
 As for DR, the 7D is bye bye. Oh, D700 is also. Damn. And that 60D
 is... well almost a toy.
 K5 sealing is better, fps is almost tie (7fps vs 8 fps), High ISOs are
 better on K5.

 Thibs, you cannot mount Nikon lens on Canon body.

You can with a $10 adapter, as long as the lens has an aperture ring.
During my brief foray into the land of Canon digital I mostly shot
with a Nikkor 20/2.8 on my 10D. In fact adapted lenses on Canon are
slightly more functional than pre-A  K mount lenses on Pentax (you get
Av mode and TTL flash with adapted lenses on Canon).

You cannot mount a Pentax
 lens on Nikon body, etc. So, if one is shooting Nikon system, the wonders of
 K-5 are irrelevant. If one is having lots of K-mount lenses, the 7D's video
 advantages are irrelevant... And so on.

 Seems you have forgotten few smilies here too.

 Boris



The 7D in fact can use K mount lenses without Cottyration of said
lenses, any EF-S body can (as long as an aperture ring is present).
And adapted lenses are preferred for video due to the inability of the
camera to override your aperture selection.

I actually know a few people who actively shoot professionally with
_only_ adapted or converted lenses on Canon bodies.

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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
Nice gallery.  I liked the Bronzed Villager with the hint of a black
brassiere peeking out.

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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/11/10, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:

Nice gallery.  I liked the Bronzed Villager with the hint of a black
brassiere peeking out.

I like hints :)

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Re: k-5 autofocus vs. Canon 5000 Mark II

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 3:14 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

You can with a $10 adapter, as long as the lens has an aperture ring.
During my brief foray into the land of Canon digital I mostly shot
with a Nikkor 20/2.8 on my 10D. In fact adapted lenses on Canon are
slightly more functional than pre-A  K mount lenses on Pentax (you get
Av mode and TTL flash with adapted lenses on Canon).


I stand corrected.


The 7D in fact can use K mount lenses without Cottyration of said
lenses, any EF-S body can (as long as an aperture ring is present).
And adapted lenses are preferred for video due to the inability of the
camera to override your aperture selection.

I actually know a few people who actively shoot professionally with
_only_ adapted or converted lenses on Canon bodies.


I know that EF-S body takes most K mount lenses via adapter. Not so are 
the 24x36 Canon bodies, as my understanding that mirror may hit the 
aperture actuation lever of the lens...


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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/7/2010 2:58 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

I believe that more headroom in the dark areas is in the nature of the
sensor wells.

When a cup is full, you can't pour more water into it. If you try to,
you pours over. I think it is almost as simple as that.
In the dark areas, on the other hand, the information will be obscured
by noise, but it the information is present. In other words, you can
recover more information there.

Higher dynamic range gives us opportunity to expose more
conservatively without loosing information. I think this is what gives
us more headroom in practical use.

But as suggested; I'm just a bloke who speculates on this topic.
Others may have mush better answers.


What you say, Tim, makes perfect sense. But outside of Pentaxia, there 
are cameras and sensors that have more headroom in the bright areas. Or 
at least so it is said. I'd like to see some measurements in that 
regard, or better yet reports of actual experience when exposure had to 
be corrected in post so as to recover bright areas...


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Re: Let's bring back the K-1000

2010-11-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
We still use K1000s because most of our students want to take a film
photography class.  At least those are the ones that fill up first.
They also have my old MX and ZX-7 ;-)

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 There are always mossbacks, and who says that the K-1000 ever really went
 away.

 Exactly. I still have two, and i see them for sale at Henrys still.
 Not sure if the schools photography classes still use them or they
 have gone digital

 Dave

 On 11/6/2010 9:44 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

  From a list of 30 things the author would like see brought back.


 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley-m-m-blume/25-things-that-need-to-st_b_779005.html#s176231


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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'm an American playing an American.

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 Albania or Elbonia?

 Boris

 On 11/7/2010 12:39 PM, eckinator wrote:

 found part of it from a source that attributes it to a 1982 Alexei Sayle
 single:

 Albania! Albania!
 Not nearly as repressive as Roumania
 Easier to spell than Boueftsgwachgznia
 And if we don't win any games
 The secret police will confiscate our dentures
 The secret police will take away our extra meat ration
 The secret police will shout at our slippers...

 ring a bell anyone?

 2010/11/7 eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com:

 2010/11/7 Bob Wp...@web-options.com:

 Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish.

 Apart from the Albanian ones.

 anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance?

 It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania /
 much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ...

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Re: k-5 autofocus vs. Canon 5000 Mark II

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know that EF-S body takes most K mount lenses via adapter. Not so are the
 24x36 Canon bodies, as my understanding that mirror may hit the aperture
 actuation lever of the lens...

 Boris


The non-EF-S bodies are safe once the lens has been Cottyfied,
otherwise the aperture lever hits the mirror (this affects the 1D's as
well, not just the 24x36 bodies).


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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
I think Bob W was commenting on one of history's more interesting
jokes. At some time not too long after the fall of the Roman Empire,
the Scots and the Irish switched places. Scotland is actually named
after the Irish, who were known as the Scotti to the Romans.

-Adam

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 All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters.

 Boris

 On 11/7/2010 10:58 AM, Bob W wrote:

 The Scottish are all Irish really.


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Re: Let's bring back the K-1000

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:27 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 PM, P. J. Alling
 webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 There are always mossbacks, and who says that the K-1000 ever really went
 away.

 Exactly. I still have two, and i see them for sale at Henrys still.
 Not sure if the schools photography classes still use them or they
 have gone digital

 Dave

They still use film at Ryerson, which is why Downtown Camera still has
their Student Special film packs (10x24exp Kentmere 400 these days,
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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman

That I did not know. Thanks.

On 11/7/2010 4:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

I think Bob W was commenting on one of history's more interesting
jokes. At some time not too long after the fall of the Roman Empire,
the Scots and the Irish switched places. Scotland is actually named
after the Irish, who were known as the Scotti to the Romans.

-Adam

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com  wrote:

All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters.

Boris

On 11/7/2010 10:58 AM, Bob W wrote:


The Scottish are all Irish really.






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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11/7/2010 2:58 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 I believe that more headroom in the dark areas is in the nature of the
 sensor wells.

 When a cup is full, you can't pour more water into it. If you try to,
 you pours over. I think it is almost as simple as that.
 In the dark areas, on the other hand, the information will be obscured
 by noise, but it the information is present. In other words, you can
 recover more information there.

 Higher dynamic range gives us opportunity to expose more
 conservatively without loosing information. I think this is what gives
 us more headroom in practical use.

 But as suggested; I'm just a bloke who speculates on this topic.
 Others may have mush better answers.

 What you say, Tim, makes perfect sense. But outside of Pentaxia, there are
 cameras and sensors that have more headroom in the bright areas. Or at least
 so it is said. I'd like to see some measurements in that regard, or better
 yet reports of actual experience when exposure had to be corrected in post
 so as to recover bright areas...

 Boris


Practical headroom is determined by dynamic range, but the 'RAW
Headroom' that everybody talks about is simply the difference between
the maximum value that the default camera conversion curve uses and
the actual maximum luminance value in the file. This varies greatly
depending on the camera and is inherited from the camera's JPEG
rendering engine (as default RAW curves typically try to match the
JPEG engine's choices for exposure).


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Re: k-5 autofocus vs. Canon 5000 Mark II

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
However, Adam, my original point was that the fact that new camera of 
one system (K-5) outdoes similar cameras of other systems (7D, D300s, 
etc) has only limited relevance. More often people don't shoot via 
adapters and the fact that neighbor's grass has been recolored in 
greener color is just that - the color of neighbor's grass...


Boris

On 11/7/2010 4:07 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com  wrote:

I know that EF-S body takes most K mount lenses via adapter. Not so are the
24x36 Canon bodies, as my understanding that mirror may hit the aperture
actuation lever of the lens...

Boris



The non-EF-S bodies are safe once the lens has been Cottyfied,
otherwise the aperture lever hits the mirror (this affects the 1D's as
well, not just the 24x36 bodies).


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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Cotty,
That's an enjoyable gallery!
Some folks I've met and some I've not met,
plus some great landscapes.
Thanks for taking us on holiday.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 galley that I put together a couple of years ago but forgot where it
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 A*85/1.4 and the K15/3.5 - you'll have to guess which lens. Link takes
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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 What you say, Tim, makes perfect sense. But outside of Pentaxia, there
 are cameras and sensors that have more headroom in the bright areas. 

There is no way of extending the range beyond the point where all bits
are set to 1. Not with Pentax nor with any other manufacturer.

All you can do as a manufacturer is set the camera in a way that it
deliberately 'under'exposes a little and hope that the shadows won't be
drowned in noise. 

Now, if other manufacturers could hold back a little more on exposure,
this is mainly due to the fact that they haven't been using this rotten
Samsung sensor we have been plagued with for two camera generations. 

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Re: GESO - Norway 2008

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 7/11/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

Enjoyed Funicular railway

 Watch that spelling boy ;-)

Sunday is cut and paste day. No worries.

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Re: Let's bring back the K-1000

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:27 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:08 PM, P. J. Alling
 webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 There are always mossbacks, and who says that the K-1000 ever really went
 away.

 Exactly. I still have two, and i see them for sale at Henrys still.
 Not sure if the schools photography classes still use them or they
 have gone digital

 Dave

 They still use film at Ryerson, which is why Downtown Camera still has
 their Student Special film packs (10x24exp Kentmere 400 these days,
 used to be HP5+ and before that it was APX400)

I thought so. I really enjoyed doing the dark room class in Richmond
Hill, but enrollment dropped out of sight in 2005 so they dropped it.
It was easier to sign up every semester and use their equipment, than
trying to set up in my bathroom.

Dave



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Re: PESO 2010 - 193 - GDG

2010-11-07 Thread David J Brooks
Well lit and composed.

Dave

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 A casual still-life from this morning's walk and breakfast ...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5152606794/lightbox/
  Olympus E-5 + ZD 35mm f/3.5 Macro
  ISO 1600 @ f/5 @ 1/25 second

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 link to the regular page:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5152606794/ )

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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Adam, Ralf, if I understand you correctly, it means that overexposure 
blinkies of both my camera(s) and LightRoom actually start blinking not 
at pixel value of 255 but somewhat prior to that. And then, you and also 
Adam say that whatever the minus exposure compensation I am dialing in 
in LightRoom to make those red blinkies disappear has nothing to do with 
actual sensor dynamic range? Is that so?


Boris


On 11/7/2010 4:22 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com  wrote:


What you say, Tim, makes perfect sense. But outside of Pentaxia, there
are cameras and sensors that have more headroom in the bright areas.


There is no way of extending the range beyond the point where all bits
are set to 1. Not with Pentax nor with any other manufacturer.

All you can do as a manufacturer is set the camera in a way that it
deliberately 'under'exposes a little and hope that the shadows won't be
drowned in noise.

Now, if other manufacturers could hold back a little more on exposure,
this is mainly due to the fact that they haven't been using this rotten
Samsung sensor we have been plagued with for two camera generations.

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Re: K-5 'miracle'

2010-11-07 Thread Adam Maas
Boris,

The blinkies in the camera are with respect to the JPEG preview, not
the RAW file. They blink at 255 (maximum 8 bit value) but that 255 is
mapped to an arbitrary value on the actual scale from 0 to 16383 with
16383 being the actual maximum value. The blinkies in LR are with
respect to the result of the rendering settings as applied to the RAW
data, not the actual RAW data itself.

What you are actually doing in Lightroom when you alter the exposure
is shifting the mapping of the JPEG (or display) rendering's 0-255
values to the RAW file's 0 to 16384 range (note that one value on the
0-255 scale will be mapped to multiple adjacent values on the 0-16383
range of the RAW file). When you are adjusting exposure in LR, you are
shifting the mapping up and down the RAW file's range (other controls
alter the mapping inside that range or alter the 255 or 0 point
mapping independently).

-Adam

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Adam, Ralf, if I understand you correctly, it means that overexposure
 blinkies of both my camera(s) and LightRoom actually start blinking not at
 pixel value of 255 but somewhat prior to that. And then, you and also Adam
 say that whatever the minus exposure compensation I am dialing in in
 LightRoom to make those red blinkies disappear has nothing to do with actual
 sensor dynamic range? Is that so?

 Boris


 On 11/7/2010 4:22 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com  wrote:

 What you say, Tim, makes perfect sense. But outside of Pentaxia, there
 are cameras and sensors that have more headroom in the bright areas.

 There is no way of extending the range beyond the point where all bits
 are set to 1. Not with Pentax nor with any other manufacturer.

 All you can do as a manufacturer is set the camera in a way that it
 deliberately 'under'exposes a little and hope that the shadows won't be
 drowned in noise.

 Now, if other manufacturers could hold back a little more on exposure,
 this is mainly due to the fact that they haven't been using this rotten
 Samsung sensor we have been plagued with for two camera generations.

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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread P N Stenquist
I checked manual focus with the 85/1.8 wide open. I achieved good  
focus on a majority of shots at a target. My eyes are a limiting  
factor here. I'm old:-). But if the screen is off, it would be by a  
very small amount.

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On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


On 11/7/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

I'm going to check the screen for manual focus. I'll let you know.
Paul


Thanks, Paul!

I think it will prove beneficial for you as well, as even the best  
electronics may require an occasional human intervention...


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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
I see... Well, could be my problem with Katz Eye screen was based on the 
possibility that their screen is of different thickness than that of 
Pentax...


All in all, it is good that your camera is in proper operational order 
and as I usually do - I am looking forward to your pictures, Paul.


Boris

P.S. I am younger than you, but my eyesight is not my forte too.

On 11/7/2010 5:17 PM, P N Stenquist wrote:

I checked manual focus with the 85/1.8 wide open. I achieved good focus
on a majority of shots at a target. My eyes are a limiting factor here.
I'm old:-). But if the screen is off, it would be by a very small amount.
Paul


On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


On 11/7/2010 1:34 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

I'm going to check the screen for manual focus. I'll let you know.
Paul


Thanks, Paul!

I think it will prove beneficial for you as well, as even the best
electronics may require an occasional human intervention...

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Re: k-5 autofocus fine adjustment

2010-11-07 Thread P N Stenquist
Yes. I'll send it to you as a high res jpeg. I made my own. I just  
shoot it at a 45 degree angle. Target on the floor. Camera on a  
tripod. There are even better devices available that utilize a scale  
thats on a 45 degree angle and a vertical target. I might build  
something like that. But the target on the floor works.

Paul
On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:03 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:42 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
I adjusted the camera for all six of my autofocus lenses this  
morning. i did it with the target I've used before.


Is this available somewhere.??

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Re: PESO 2010 - 193 - GDG

2010-11-07 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 A casual still-life from this morning's walk and breakfast ...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5152606794/lightbox/
  Olympus E-5 + ZD 35mm f/3.5 Macro
  ISO 1600 @ f/5 @ 1/25 second

 (If you have trouble viewing that in Flickr.com's lightbox mode, here's the 
 link to the regular page:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5152606794/ )

 enjoy!

Yum!

Great composition, too.

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Re: Anyone wanna come see the 645D in Boston this weekend?

2010-11-07 Thread Miserere
On 7 November 2010 01:36, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a vague Chicagoan recollection of taking a shot of you, sir, in the
 similar position with different prosthetics (or are they bio-plug-in/out's?
 *grin*). I might dig it out just for the heck of it...

 Boris

Cool! Maybe I can start a collection of such shots.

In case anyone's interested, I found the K-5 VF to be as large as the
K10D's VF, while noting my K10D has a 1.17x multiplier attached.
There's another improvement of the K-7 and K-5 that make them even
more attractive than they already are.

Anybody want a K10D with under 20k shutter actuations??? Grip included  :-)


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Re: On K-5 dynamic range. Somewhat tangential question.

2010-11-07 Thread Miserere
On 7 November 2010 08:09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
 Dynamic Range in EV has no effect on the amount of shades the K-5 can
 discern, it is merely defines the maximum and minimum brightness
 values which supply usable data at the same time. The ability to
 discern individual shades (or more properly differences between two
 shades) is solely controlled by how many bits wide the ADC system is.
 The K-5 can discern 2^14 shades maximum across a 14.1 EV ( a
 brightness range of 2^14.1) range according to the DxO tests. There is
 no direct correspondence between the two.

 -Adam

What Adam said.

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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling

On 11/7/2010 4:32 AM, eckinator wrote:

2010/11/7 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:

All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters.

I am NOT your sister!!! Get that outta yer rotten mind!!!


Does that you won't be wearing the wimple  then?

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Re: PESO - The Lost One

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think it needs to be BW, I'd be tempted to give it a hand 
tinted treatment anyway too keep the pink in the glove.


On 11/7/2010 7:20 AM, frank theriault wrote:

This didn't work in BW - or at least I haven't found the right
rendering yet.  I ~do~ like this colour version, though.  Hope you do,
too:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/lost-one.html

Comments welcome.

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Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling

Damn, I really have got to learn to type...


On 11/7/2010 1:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 11/7/2010 3:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

or it could be his canny way of forcing Pentax to announce that mythical
23x36mm sensor camera.


23x36 is pretty mythical. But 22x38 is more mythical, methinks...

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Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I agree, but they also implemented the Green Button kluge because it was 
easy and didn't require any hardware changes.


On 11/7/2010 1:42 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 11/7/2010 3:46 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

The aperture lever isn't the mythical aperture simulator, every K mount
lens, (except mirror telephotos), has an aperture lever to this very 
day.


Don't split levers, Peter. Proper mount has two mechanical couplings - 
one to engage the aperture during the shot and one to hmmm well, 
engage it but for different purpose - for measuring. Pentax has 
invented the infamous green button thinking that looking at green 
color will pacify our nerves. Boy, was Pentax mistaken.


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Re: Anyone wanna come see the 645D in Boston this weekend?

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling

On 11/7/2010 11:12 AM, Miserere wrote:

On 7 November 2010 01:36, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com  wrote:

I have a vague Chicagoan recollection of taking a shot of you, sir, in the
similar position with different prosthetics (or are they bio-plug-in/out's?
*grin*). I might dig it out just for the heck of it...

Boris

Cool! Maybe I can start a collection of such shots.

In case anyone's interested, I found the K-5 VF to be as large as the
K10D's VF, while noting my K10D has a 1.17x multiplier attached.
There's another improvement of the K-7 and K-5 that make them even
more attractive than they already are.

Anybody want a K10D with under 20k shutter actuations??? Grip included  :-)


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So how is the K-5 with the 0-ME53 attached.  Useable?

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PESO - Love is only a four letter word

2010-11-07 Thread Dario Bonazza
Lasse's FB link reminded me of this picture, shot on Hohenzollern Bridge in 
Cologne. Pity the writing is not true to Dylan's song, but here we go: 
http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc28e.htm


Any comnments?

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OT Firefox Attachment Warnings

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling
This is just downright annoying, anytime I use the word attach 
attachment or similar the damned program warns me that I haven't 
attached anything.  Is there any way to turn this off?  I almost never 
attach anything and I don't need the warning.  I'd much rather be warned 
that I haven't spelled something properly.


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