Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
I think I do, Larry. I took hundreds of exposures this afternoon, and did a quick and dirty clean-up of this one in PS a few minutes ago, just to get an idea of what was there. As you can see, the weather was not ideal. There were heavy rains this afternoon throughout Hawaii, although almost none where we are staying, in the rain shadow of the 10, 023 foot volcano northeast of here, Haleakala. During our whale watch on the Pacific this afternoon, it was cloudy and drizzling from time to time. The whales were quite active, but the catamaran was bouncing around quite a bit in the gusty seas, and the backgrounds, as you can see, were rather drab. That being said, I am very happy with this image, and I will try to improve it a bit more. Thanks very much for you comments on cropping the image, which I think are very helpful. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Great shot! Do you have the resolution to crop it so that the whale is pretty much in the upper right corner so that a LOT more of the photo is whale and a lot less is water and sky? Cloudy skies and water aren't nearly as interesting as the whale. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I think I do, Larry. I took hundreds of exposures this afternoon, Only hundreds? Get on your game boy! and did a quick and dirty clean-up of this one in PS a few minutes ago, just to get an idea of what was there. I completely understand your excitement about it. After I made my post I wondered if you even had the ability for real photo editing. I look forward to seeing what other frothy goodness you caught this afternoon. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user interface. They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS. Nobody will buy it without new shiny. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 That's one heck of a shot, must be great to watch. Looks very close to shore, too. We have great whale watching not far from here, just off the coast of Kaikoura where there's a deep trench in the ocean. Boats and I don't get along well so I'd just buy the postcard. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Thanks, David. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:10 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 That's one heck of a shot, must be great to watch. Looks very close to shore, too. We have great whale watching not far from here, just off the coast of Kaikoura where there's a deep trench in the ocean. Boats and I don't get along well so I'd just buy the postcard. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Fascinating. A great experience I'm sure. Paul On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 February 2013 10:58, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I shared that link 8 days ago in the Last call for K-5 thread, but it elicited no comments, which surprised me, a bit. I saw the link when it was first posted, I think it's a somewhat exaggerated result, I guess others thought so too. I wish he had provided raw files for the tree scene, and preferably files from twin cameras (D800/D800E or K-5 II/IIs). In the early days of digital cameras, the demosaicing algorithms were prone to creating false detail(false color, maze artifacts, etc.) even in cameras with AA filters. They have improved considerably over the years. I suspect the algorithms may need another round of tweaking to behave better with non-AA cameras, and some may already do better than others. It would be nice to be able to compare different software. (I found it odd, for example, that the red and cyan patches were so large, in terms of the number of pixels, given the non-periodic structure of the branches.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Classic catch! very well done, Dan. Is it a heavy crop? What lens? Jack From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:49 PM Subject: PESO: Breaching Whale I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On 21/02/2013 11:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Remember Vista? Remember XP before the third is a series of fixes? Point taken. My gripe with Vista was getting it to play nice on the network. Once we turned off all the security warnings and got it networking, it was fine. PITA for the first hour. I like XP, though admittedly I didn't get it until it was well and truly established. Generally, I've stayed away from the OS's that haven't been so good (the every other one thing). bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On 21/02/2013 11:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote: On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Well, what did you expect from Microsoft? A user-friendly operating system? Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked. Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of Mac laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see why people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm using now (Win7) What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user interface. In the case of Win 8, the opening screen is the start screen, much like on a tablet. If you hit the start button on a regular MS OS, and it gave you a screen instead of a pop up, the start screen is what it would give you. One of the Apps is the desktop. I suspect that app doesn't come on tablets. One can remove all the apps from the start screen except the ones that are used, any programs you install will show up as an icon on the start screen. It's easy enough, but for me, they could have left that screen off on the computer versions of the OS. The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS. Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops. What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either. My guess is it will work very well on tablets. It wasn't that much off my Android for usability, and for people who carry a tablet and have a laptop at home, I expect the familiarity that Win8 brings from the tablet to the PC will make it easier for tablet users. My wife and I both prefer working from the desktop though, and with that in mind Classic Shell does the trick. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: d7100 samples...
On Feb 21, 2013, at 23:52 , Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Quite impressive. It does take a loong time to load. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola 4 seconds is long? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: d7100 samples...
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 23:52 , Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Quite impressive. It does take a loong time to load. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola 4 seconds is long? Took almost a minute on my ,machine, but very impressive Dave -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Hope it didn't hurt too much. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: d7100 samples...
The spec that I was surprised by is that the ISO only goes to 6400. I'm spoiled, I guess. : ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: I wish he had provided raw files for the tree scene, and preferably files from twin cameras (D800/D800E or K-5 II/IIs) (I found it odd, for example, that the red and cyan patches were so large, in terms of the number of pixels, given the non-periodic structure of the branches.) It's worse than the cameras just not being twins: the Fuji X-E1 doesn't have a traditional Bayer filter pattern (which may be related to the large false color patches). So I agree that it could have been done better, and that the tone is a bit over the top. But I thought it was a useful piece because it makes the point that the extra detail that you get without an AA filter doesn't come for free; even if there is no visible moire there is still aliasing. I haven't seen that point made elsewhere on the photo interwebs. In this test target image, there is lots of extra detail inside the region of obvious color artifacts, but this detail is clearly not real. http://www.martin-doppelbauer.de/foto/tippstricks/aliasfilter/files/stacks_image_5430.png We know what the test target looks like, and the lines are not curved as they appear here. This sort of thing will be a general feature of aliased sampling, though the details may change depending on, well, the details. If one wants to make this tradeoff, that's fine with me. Personally, I dislike image artifacts more than I desire increased detail, so I would prefer not to see the industry go toward cameras without AA filters being the default as with the D7100. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: d7100 samples...
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: The spec that I was surprised by is that the ISO only goes to 6400. I'm spoiled, I guess. : ) The D7100 ISO ranges (base and extended) are the same as the D7000 (=K-5 sensor), so I would expect Nikon is just a little more conservative than Pentax in terms of which ISO settings they consider acceptable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Shooting Film in the Digital Age
G'day All, For those that haven't seen it already this little talk by photojournalist David Burnett is worth a watch (There is even some Pentax content): http://www.iso1200.com/2013/02/shooting-film-in-digital-age-and-other.html Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
Is that a rhetorical question? From: kwaller From bill or Microsoft ? ;+ Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit. I expected better. From: Daniel J. Matyola Well, what did you expect from Microsoft? A user-friendly operating system? Dan Matyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Dan, Great catch! Very difficult to anticipate as they are invisible until they breach. The idea of a bumping around catamaran makes it more so. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
From: Larry Colen On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote: On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Well, what did you expect from Microsoft? A user-friendly operating system? Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked. Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of Mac laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see why people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm using now (Win7) What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user interface. The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS. Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops. What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either. Trying to increase market share for WindozePhones. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
From: David Mann On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user interface. They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS. Nobody will buy it without new shiny. Dave Chrome plating a turd doesn't make it any less of a piece of shit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Deep in the Red
Thanks for the look Bruce. Hmm Obviously your right. Now I'm not sure that's the one I meant to publish but I guess Posterous will disappear it soon. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:48:29 -0500 From: Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Deep in the Red Message-ID: cajuu0ccpkfq8mwhke1aogkhszm1cuzguspsqyoaf4a0h6iy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's very nice, Don. Niggle: my eye keeps getting pulled to the LR-corner by the bright non-red area there. I'd either heavily dodge it, crop it, or colourize it red in Photoshop. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Don Guthrieshark50...@gmail.com wrote: pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 6 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:27:46 -0500 From: Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Deep in the Red Message-ID: cajuu0cea9senlku8u4ylqjhlpgqy2nvopyurnlkm+vh0pus...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bruce, thanks for trying. The link worked for me but of course I was logged in. Now why would they want me to use their new service if I can't share from there? Maybe there is another way. If you care the photo is on my Posterous account; probably my last one there of course http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Ah now there's a sight! I know you made a quick grab there; nicely done on all counts. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 4 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:49:40 -0500 From: Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Breaching Whale Message-ID: caomwt1x8+pjyz-twbtdbsrjgcob0dtb6zupku2naeohxer6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: David Mann On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user interface. They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS. Nobody will buy it without new shiny. Dave Chrome plating a turd doesn't make it any less of a piece of shit. That's not Microsoft's primary concern. Revenue and shareholder value is. Thus the chrome plating. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Breaching Whale
Brilliant photo, Dan!! Such a magnificent creature and your photo does him/her full justice. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Breaching Whale I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Film Day
A couple of weeks back I shot a roll of Portra 400 in my Leica iiif RD plus Summicron 2.0 Collapsible. My Epson 500 arrived today, so Iscanned a couple of frames. The building to the rear was designed by Eliel Saarinen. I don't know who created the sculpture in the foreground. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959204size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hands-on with 560mm :-)
Zos, The shots I made were not well executed enough to base a qualified opinion on, I'm afraid. But the first impression was definately positive. It's big, but not terribly heavy, and handles pretty well for its size, I think. If I didn't have a long lens, it would be a serious contender. Bloody lot of money, but serious nonetheless. On the other hand I don't think I'll trade my Sigma for it now. The half stop brighter viewfinder counts for something, as does the lower weight and easier handling. Jostein - Original Message - From: Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 4:51 AM Subject: Re: Hands-on with 560mm :-) So now that you have had this lens for a while, how do you think it compares to the sigma 500? worth the extra money? The sigma looks a lot smaller, but is also much more optically complex. that pentax lens looks massive, even collapsed. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Cool! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no Sent: February 19, 2013 2/19/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Hands-on with 560mm :-) Today my pusher got the 560mm in house. Since I had the time, I popped by for a drool'n'fondle. First impressions are that it's mechanically well built and quite reasonable to handle considering the focal length. It is a lot lighter than the FA*600/4, but a bit heavier than the Sigma 500/4.5. I took a picture of the two together with my crappy cellphone, which Stig Vidar has put online before I even got back to my computer...:-) http://album.heime.org/album/diverse/da560.jpg The camera pictured is a K-5IIs with a DA*200/2.8, just for reference. There may be test pictures forthcoming another day. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote: On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote: On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote: OK, so I got that out of the way. I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8. It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden shower of an operating system. I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me. I must get rid of it, and soon. Help me. bill Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new desktop at work: http://www.classicshell.net Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8. Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy. Thanks Walt. bill Glad to help. Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong with it -- so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Film Day 2
Cranbrook Manor, an Albert Kahn creation, built in 1908. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This lens is not as contrasty as contemporary glass, and the colors are not as saturated. While I adjust the levels, I resist plussing the midrange contrast extensively or increasing saturation. It's a fifties film look. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959353size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Film Day 3
A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: d7100 samples...
Despite my general feelings about AA filters, that sample image is very nice indeed. I don't think I've ever gone above ISO 12800 on my K-5, and I try very hard not to go above 6400, so I don't think this is a meaningful limitation. I wonder what the Canon 7D's successor will look like. I read a recent quote from a Canon rep that seemed to question the future of crop sensor DSLRs. I thought that was funny/interesting, as (in my completely unobjective opinion) Canon's crop sensor cameras haven't been terribly competitive for quite a while now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
That's a wonderful shot, Dan! Makes me want to run down to the Ohio/Mississippi confluence to see if I can get a good shot of a carp. [grumble] -- Walt On 2/22/2013 1:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
That's a wonderful shot, Dan! Makes me want to run down to the Ohio/Mississippi confluence to see if I can get a good shot of a carp. You misspelled brown trout -- l...@red4est.com via squirrelmail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Film Day 2
Paul, They do have that haze of the past look about them. Had to be fun to do. Jack From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: PESO - Film Day 2 Cranbrook Manor, an Albert Kahn creation, built in 1908. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This lens is not as contrasty as contemporary glass, and the colors are not as saturated. While I adjust the levels, I resist plussing the midrange contrast extensively or increasing saturation. It's a fifties film look. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959353size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013, Walt wrote: Makes me want to run down to the Ohio/Mississippi confluence to see if I can get a good shot of a carp. Stop carping about it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June
Here's an apples-to-apples comparison of a star test pattern from the D800/D800E: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=65927.msg523744#msg523744 Keep in mind that these are unsharpened. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is known for small cameras, but this is ridiculous
From: John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-Capsule-Mini-Camera-Keychains/dp/B006YY3YRM/ I'm actually thinking about buying this set just for the silver MX and 40mm, which I used to own (the life-size version, of course). I love that the lenses are interchangeable, too. John Those jackasses don't have a K-3 FF digital body in the lineup yet? They're just as bad as another company I know! Tom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Very nice, Dan. I was in Maui once and was lucky enough to see a very similar scene while just glancing toward the ocean, but I didn't have my camera in my hand and by the the time I got it the show was over. Thanks for reminding me of that time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Film Day 2
I think this is my favorite of the set. But I agree it lacks a smidge of contrast by today's standard. Still it looks pretty balanced. Are these scanned prints or negs? pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 7 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:33:13 -0500 From: Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Film Day 2 Message-ID:ac0d3243-abb1-4676-8c82-9a7f11041...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cranbrook Manor, an Albert Kahn creation, built in 1908. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This lens is not as contrasty as contemporary glass, and the colors are not as saturated. While I adjust the levels, I resist plussing the midrange contrast extensively or increasing saturation. It's a fifties film look. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959353size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is known for small cameras, but this is ridiculous.
Oh cripes that is tempting. Silly but tempting. Do they have these in other brands for the switchers? pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 9 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:01:12 -0800 From: John Celioneo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com To:pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is known for small cameras, but this is ridiculous. Message-ID: caaxkc9zffu00ofj_ba4wpxv8+b40eulaph-x8gqfvbxqke_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-Capsule-Mini-Camera-Keychains/dp/B006YY3YRM/ I'm actually thinking about buying this set just for the silver MX and 40mm, which I used to own (the life-size version, of course). I love that the lenses are interchangeable, too. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
Is that a rhetorical question? Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his response - ie more irate? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit. Is that a rhetorical question? From: kwaller From bill or Microsoft ? ;+ Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit. I expected better. From: Daniel J. Matyola Well, what did you expect from Microsoft? A user-friendly operating system? Dan Matyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On 2013-02-22 0:51, Larry Colen wrote: Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops. What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either. That is exactly what they got. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Film Day 2
Thanks Don. They're scanned negs. I spent about a year shooting almost exclusively with that lens about a dozen years ago. It has a subtlety that I like. The high contrast look came with multi coating techniques. Paul On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is my favorite of the set. But I agree it lacks a smidge of contrast by today's standard. Still it looks pretty balanced. Are these scanned prints or negs? pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 7 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:33:13 -0500 From: Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Film Day 2 Message-ID:ac0d3243-abb1-4676-8c82-9a7f11041...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cranbrook Manor, an Albert Kahn creation, built in 1908. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This lens is not as contrasty as contemporary glass, and the colors are not as saturated. While I adjust the levels, I resist plussing the midrange contrast extensively or increasing saturation. It's a fifties film look. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959353size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Breaching Whale
Nice catch Dan - did you capture it in RAW as more detail in the blown out white would be a plus. Bob - 'machine gunning' these creatures with a camera would certainly increase the chances of at least a few images being keepers Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Breaching Whale Dan, Great catch! Very difficult to anticipate as they are invisible until they breach. The idea of a bumping around catamaran makes it more so. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I ran into this critter this afternoon: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16957553 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is known for small cameras, but this is ridiculous.
Let the cries of anguish for a full frame Pentax keychain camera begin! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is known for small cameras, but this is ridiculous.
Let the cries of anguish for a full frame Pentax keychain camera begin! Pentax already makes a keychain camera, the Q. -- l...@red4est.com via squirrelmail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is known for small cameras, but this is ridiculous.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:01:12AM -0800, John Celio wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-Capsule-Mini-Camera-Keychains/dp/B006YY3YRM/ I'm actually thinking about buying this set just for the silver MX and 40mm, which I used to own (the life-size version, of course). I love that the lenses are interchangeable, too. John You don't have to buy the set - you can buy them individually. I'm conbsidering the K-5 (black) and the two versions of the MX. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - I See The Train A'Coming
Subway train, that is: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/02/i-see-train-comin.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - I See The Train A'Coming
Subway train, that is: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/02/i-see-train-comin.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Nice feeling of anticipation. But due to the location, it should be titled: I see the Train Coming, Eh. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- l...@red4est.com via squirrelmail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Film Day
Excellent! Beautiful structure. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Film Day A couple of weeks back I shot a roll of Portra 400 in my Leica iiif RD plus Summicron 2.0 Collapsible. My Epson 500 arrived today, so Iscanned a couple of frames. The building to the rear was designed by Eliel Saarinen. I don't know who created the sculpture in the foreground. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959204size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Film Day 2
Another beautiful building very well captured. cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Film Day 2 Cranbrook Manor, an Albert Kahn creation, built in 1908. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This lens is not as contrasty as contemporary glass, and the colors are not as saturated. While I adjust the levels, I resist plussing the midrange contrast extensively or increasing saturation. It's a fifties film look. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959353size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Film Day 3
My favourite of the three. The Leica was made for this! ;-) Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Film Day 3 A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Film Day 3
Thanks Frank. Had a good time shooting film. And I gave the old Leica a bit of exercise. I have an equally old Agfa folder that is also in need of a workout. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:18 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: My favourite of the three. The Leica was made for this! ;-) Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Sent: February 22, 2013 2/22/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Film Day 3 A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
From: kwaller Is that a rhetorical question? Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his response - ie more irate? Microsoft. You'd think they'd have learned by now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Film Day 3
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: A coffee shop pic. Again, the Leica iiif RD and Summicron 2.0. This one at f4, and converted to BW from the Portra 400 original. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16959392size=lg After the shooting I've been doing this week with a K-5, I'm surprised the DOF is that big at F4. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote: On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote: On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote: On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote: OK, so I got that out of the way. I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8. It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden shower of an operating system. I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me. I must get rid of it, and soon. Help me. bill Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new desktop at work: http://www.classicshell.net Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8. Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy. Thanks Walt. bill Glad to help. Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong with it -- so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo -- Walt Yeah. That's pretty much it. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination. I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight. As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet. (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.) On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton. No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers. So I try that option, not quite. We need your ATT address and password. That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me with my address. Can't do anything about the password though. Have to call this other number for that. So I call. While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call, the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable! First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language pronounciation. Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying. (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf calls to China.) Third, everything she says is clipped. It is being dropped by the cellphone connection. And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening! I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song monologue. I talk over her, but she just continues to speak.. I tell her to listen, but she doesn't. I tell her she is not conversing with me. I tell her I can't understand what she is saying. I tell her she has poor language skills. She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions. I finally give up and just start guessing at my password. I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit. ATT blows dead bears. Now how do I get ATT to hear this? Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote: On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote: On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote: On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote: OK, so I got that out of the way. I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8. It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden shower of an operating system. I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me. I must get rid of it, and soon. Help me. bill Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new desktop at work: http://www.classicshell.net Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8. Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy. Thanks Walt. bill Glad to help. Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong with it -- so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo -- Walt Yeah. That's pretty much it. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
