Re: AF280T Failure

2013-07-21 Thread Bob W
On 21 Jul 2013, at 03:27, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

 So my AF280T made some awful cracking sounds and now only seems to
 fire at 1/1. This makes it pretty much impossible to use. Close
 objects are blown at even iso 100 and f8. Bummer. Just as I was about
 to go out and shoot an event. Joy. I could go with the onboard flash,
 but I think I will just stay home now. I've really had no luck with
 flashes lately. Every one I have bought has either blown up or failed
 in some way a short time later. Its probably time to bite the bullet
 and send my metz 54 in. At least I can have something reliable again.
 Oh photoshoots coming up too. So what's the cheapest half decent flash
 I can buy on the cheap? Old vivitars?

A couple of years ago I found myself away from home for a week or two and in 
need of a flashgun. The local camera shop found an old vivitar manual flash in 
a backroom somewhere and let me have it for peanuts (groan). It cost 
practically nothing, has a tilt/swivel head and guide number of about 28. Same 
kind of dimensions as an af280t, but I can't remember the model number. 
Definitely a good investment if you can find something like it.

B
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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Bob W
I agree.

B

On 21 Jul 2013, at 03:38, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The original is lovely for its contours, colors, and textures.  The Nik 
 version doesn't do anything for me.
 
 Cheers,
 
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 From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
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 Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:35 AM
 Subject: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall
 
 G'day all
 
 Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.
 
 This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of  
 the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way  
 many homes have decorations on their external walls.
 
 This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:
 
 http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html
 
 I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex
 
 http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html
 
 
 Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or  
 monochrome version is preferable.
 
 
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Bob W
That looks very nice. 

I like the way you've cloned out the nuclear waste recycling factory, the 
sewage filtration plant and the surgical waste incinerator and replaced them 
with grass, flowers and trees. 

To complete the picture you need some happy, attractive children with only one 
head each running around on the lawn, and the buyers will come flooding in.

D'oh! I mentioned the flooding!

B



On 21 Jul 2013, at 03:37, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a xouple pixs wirh the 
 lilies in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only 
 option.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468706size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468710size=lg
 

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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Chris Mitchell
Super composition and the colours and textures hit you in the face.
Definitely colour for me.

Chris

On 19 July 2013 13:35, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 G'day all

 Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

 This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
 most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
 have decorations on their external walls.

 This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

 http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

 I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

 http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


 Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or monochrome
 version is preferable.


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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
I agree with Ken. Beautiful garden, Paul!

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:55 PM,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Both are nice captures, but the first is more dynamic IMO.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller


 - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist
 pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: PESO - Michigan Green


 May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a xouple pixs wirh the
 lilies in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only
 option.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468706size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468710size=lg



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Re: PESO: Floral Explosion

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Good caption, Dan. It looks like one of those optical illusion images
where you see motion.

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 Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO Down by the seashore

2013-07-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:57:16PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Classic vacation imag!

Thanks.  It took a lot of tries, but when I saw the skimboarder
going ass over teakettle, I just machinegunned a bunch of shots
And this was the best.

 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
  Nicolas and Julie are the children of my Belgioan foreign exchange brother
  who is in town for a high school reunion.  I think that this is a fun shot
  with them at the beach in Santa Cruz.
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9329214645/
 
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Rick Womer
I agree with those who've said that #1 is the winner.

Downsizing?

Rick
 
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Subject: PESO - Michigan Green

May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a xouple pixs wirh the lilies 
in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only option.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468706size=lg
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Rick. Yeah, downsizing, and I went a lakefront house about 20 miles 
north of here where real estate taxes are much lower.
On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I agree with those who've said that #1 is the winner.
 
 Downsizing?
 
 Rick
  
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Alan C
Yeah, taxes - there had to be a compelling reason to leave a place as 
impressive as that - virtually a Manor House! Good luck - now you will be 
able to take up underwater photography.


Alan C

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Thanks Rick. Yeah, downsizing, and I went a lakefront house about 20 miles 
north of here where real estate taxes are much lower.

On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:


I agree with those who've said that #1 is the winner.

Downsizing?

Rick

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Subject: PESO - Michigan Green

May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a couple pics with the 
lilies in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only 
option.


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Re: OT it's getting rumbly again

2013-07-21 Thread Zos Xavius
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/strong-magnitude-69-earthquake-strikes-off-new-zealand-coast-rattling-capital-wellington/2013/07/21/61b9a1a2-f1ca-11e2-b2e0-0ecd9d3227c0_story.html

It made the news.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:40 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 During the past few days there has been a spate of earthquakes just southwest 
 of our capital city, Wellington.  They've been fairly small, up to mid-5 in 
 magnitude, but they had a 6.5 earlier this afternoon which might just about 
 be big enough to make the news.

 It's been reported in our local news site as a 6.8 but GNS have since revised 
 it to 6.5.

 I haven't heard any reports of damage or casualties but I don't anticipate 
 much.  I actually felt it here but it was very subtle.  It took about 2 
 minutes to get here :)

 I'm hoping they don't get anything much bigger than that but if our country 
 falls off the face of the earth soon you'll know why.  There's a long history 
 of seismicity in that area with major ones in 1848, 1855,  and a couple in 
 1942.

 Cheers,
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ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Alan C
A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I 
counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this 
is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I 
took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Zos Xavius
Nice pano! You use a K110D? Interesting. What do you think of the
100-300? I hear its not all that great.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
 took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Very impressive, Alan. It's worth clicking on View-all-sizes and
examining the largest-sized file (5325 x 1715).  The croc was
invisible to me in the browser-wide image.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
 took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

 Alan C



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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Alan C
Thanks Zos. I only migrated to digital last year. I have an FA 28-80  a 
100-300, carry overs from a Z70 which suffered terminal mirror failure (that 
little plastic gear which splits). Still have a functional ME super. I found 
a cheap 2nd hand K110D body to go on with (new Pentax stuff costs a fortune 
in SA), but have a K7 (ex Mark Cassino) on the way. My daughter will bring 
it in Sept. The 28-80 is a bit soft at bigger apertures but the 100-300 
seems very good to me. The zebra shot was taken with the same lens at 160mm. 
I have several older lenses too but will wait for the K7 to properly 
evaluate them. I don't really mind MF  I find calculating the exposure is a 
good mental exercise. At least you can easily make a correction  you don't 
waste film!


Alan C

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Nice pano! You use a K110D? Interesting. What do you think of the
100-300? I hear its not all that great.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so 
this

is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Stan Halpin
Very very nice shot. The curve of the water's edge really anchors the rest of 
the image.

stan

On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Alan C wrote:

 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I 
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this 
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I took 
 the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/
 
 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400
 
 Alan C
 

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Alan:  That's great.  My husband loved it too. Elephants are my favorite 
animal, so this was great to see!  Love it!  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I 
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this 
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I took 
 the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/
 
 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400
 
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Re: VESO A short vid

2013-07-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Fun to see, Dave.  Thanks for posting.  Cheers, Christine


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 From Friday, i shot a few horse and tractor drawn bits of eq.
 
 WIND WARNING, threre is lots on the vid sound track
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C37UnYwF_cfeature=youtu.be
 
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Re: OT it's getting rumbly again

2013-07-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Stay safe, Dave!  Cheers, Christine


On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:40 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:

 During the past few days there has been a spate of earthquakes just southwest 
 of our capital city, Wellington.  They've been fairly small, up to mid-5 in 
 magnitude, but they had a 6.5 earlier this afternoon which might just about 
 be big enough to make the news.
 
 It's been reported in our local news site as a 6.8 but GNS have since revised 
 it to 6.5.
 
 I haven't heard any reports of damage or casualties but I don't anticipate 
 much.  I actually felt it here but it was very subtle.  It took about 2 
 minutes to get here :)
 
 I'm hoping they don't get anything much bigger than that but if our country 
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Re: PESO Down by the seashore

2013-07-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Indeed!  And great catch on the surfer!  Cheers, Christine


On Jul 20, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 Nicolas and Julie are the children of my Belgioan foreign exchange brother
 who is in town for a high school reunion.  I think that this is a fun shot
 with them at the beach in Santa Cruz.
 
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Paul:  Pretty!  First shot more dynamic!  Are you planing to move back to 
the Windy City?  :-)))  Cheers, Christine



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 May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a xouple pixs wirh the 
 lilies in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only 
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Mark C
NIce shots, Paul - nice house too. I like the first one best. Is there a 
little HDR toning in these?


Mark

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May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a xouple pixs wirh the lilies 
in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only option.

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Peso's a few more from the plowing

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
I put some more photo sin my photo dot net Markham album:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=930272

The first 11 are from Friday.

Some folks asked to see all of the photos and i have made a quick
jalbum for them. I will post for those interested in seeing a whole
bunch a shots.:-)

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Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Alan,
Great stuff.  Sending this to my wife who loved the zebras as well.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
 took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
Great shots

Dave

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 May sell my house next sprint, so I wanted to get a xouple pixs wirh the 
 lilies in bloom. Since it faces north, ball down magic hour is the only 
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Re: PESO - Michigan Green

2013-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Mark. No HDR, but I adjusted curves in conversion, brightening shadows 
and bringing down highlights. I then boosted midrange contrast a bit to 
compensate.  I also increased the blue in the sky slightly with a replace 
color in Photoshop, as it fades when the ball goes down. 
On Jul 21, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

 NIce shots, Paul - nice house too. I like the first one best. Is there a 
 little HDR toning in these?
 
 Mark
 
 On 7/20/2013 10:37 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
That's quite a gallery!
Congratulations on assembling it.
I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
to work a farm with a team of horses.
You really had to love the farm.
Beautiful images of important things gone by.
Regards,  Bob S.


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 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

 There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
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Re: PESO - Leaf Eater

2013-07-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Almost half way through and still going:
 
  http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/07/leaf-eater.html?m=1

Nice!  I would maybe put the focus point a half-inch farther back to get
more of it in focus (and add some foreground bokeh).  But you could
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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Mark C

Wow - fantastic. You really have the wildlife there!

Mark

On 7/21/2013 8:55 AM, Alan C wrote:
A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. 
I counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left 
so this is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the 
lower left. I took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the 
zebras.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

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Re: PESO - Aussi Power Run

2013-07-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't often show misses, but this one's so close I had to
 share. Sadly, I missed the focus (see how the guys behind him are
 sharp?), but otherwise I think it would have been a fine shot:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/07/aussi-power-run.html?m=1

Add another vote for this, the emotional intensity way overpowers the
slight out of focus (as Rick said, blame it on motion blur).  The truly
out of focus slackers in the background just add emphasis.  If this is
cropped at all on top, I might raise it to include the heads.
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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave,
 That's quite a gallery!
 Congratulations on assembling it.
 I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
 to work a farm with a team of horses.
 You really had to love the farm.
 Beautiful images of important things gone by.
 Regards,  Bob S.

Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


Dave


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 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

 There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
 to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Zos Xavius
I have another K-7 on the way as well. It was cheaper to just replace
it than have my ailing one fixed. Next week my K-5 will go out to be
fixed. I might have to get an FA 100-300 just to try one out. They
aren't all that expensive. If I don't like it I could just resell it.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alan,
 Great stuff.  Sending this to my wife who loved the zebras as well.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
 took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave,
 That's quite a gallery!
 Congratulations on assembling it.
 I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
 to work a farm with a team of horses.
 You really had to love the farm.
 Beautiful images of important things gone by.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

 Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
 thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
 unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
 My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
 But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


 Dave


 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

 There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
These guys also have a demo at the fair using old steam [powered eq.

Dave

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave,
 The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
 I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
 It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
 in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
 They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dave,
 That's quite a gallery!
 Congratulations on assembling it.
 I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
 to work a farm with a team of horses.
 You really had to love the farm.
 Beautiful images of important things gone by.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

 Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
 thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
 unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
 My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
 But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


 Dave


 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread Bob W
A lot of very nice shots there.

Still, I think we should return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

B

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 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html
 
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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Jack Davis
Extremely nice, Alan.
 
Jack


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Subject: ELLIE PANO

A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I 
counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this 
is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I 
took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

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Re: PESO (kind of) - Solving a Focus Problem

2013-07-21 Thread George Sinos
I don't know that there is a real problem with either the lens or the
body.  I'll be doing a little more testing when I have some more time
but of 3 lenses and 2 bodies, all of the lenses are fine on the first
body.  2 of the lenses are fine on the second body.  Only the one lens
needs a relatively strong correction on the second body.

Since the correction is within the range of the customization of the
body it's hard to say that anything is really wrong.  It sounds like
the body may be within it's tolerance range in once direction and the
lens is within it's tolerance range in the other direction.

I still want to do a little more testing but the photos are coming our
fine now, and that is the ultimate test.

gs
George Sinos

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On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 08, 2013, George Sinos wrote:

 I was getting soft results with my 24-70mm lens on one body and
 excellent results on another.  It pointed to either a problem or a
 need for fine-tuning the focus.  I used the FocusTune software with
 good results.  Here's is a short description of the experience.

 http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/7/8/how-sharp-is-it

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Re: Peso's a few more from the plowing

2013-07-21 Thread P.J. Alling

It doesn't look particularly sinful to me.

On 7/21/2013 10:06 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

I put some more photo sin my photo dot net Markham album:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=930272

The first 11 are from Friday.

Some folks asked to see all of the photos and i have made a quick
jalbum for them. I will post for those interested in seeing a whole
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Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?

2013-07-21 Thread Tom C
 From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com

 On 19/07/2013 2:01 PM, Tom C wrote:
 I also agree that the legacy lens advantage is pretty much non-existent.

 It's interesting that you should say that, and kind of ironic in a way.
 The reason why legacy lenses are not an advantage is because they are
 less convenient to use (manual focus, green button kludge, etc), and yet
 people happily go out and buy adapters to put legacy lenses onto their
 cameras from other brands. Look at the number of adapters you can get to
 put legacy glass onto 4/3 cameras. I suspect that every brand ever made
 can now be mounted to a 4/3 camera via an adapter.
 I bought an adapter to allow mounting K-mount glass onto my Q, and,
 being the not so bright person that I am, did exactly the same thing
 when I bought my Fuji.
 And you know what? It's a pain in the ass. Sure, the thing mounts, and
 you can take a picture with it if you want to go to the effort, but why
 bother?
 I could almost see it if you had a bunch of Canon FD lenses around, as
 it would be a way to put them to use again, since Canon decided their
 user base was a liability in the mid 1980s and abandoned them, but
 really, if you have an ability to mount the lens to a camera that it is
 compatible with, just mount it to that camera. Putting an A series lens
 onto my K5 means I lose a bit of functionality, mounting it onto my Fuji
 or my Q takes me from functionality loss to wanting to slash my wrists
 to make the misery go away. Even using an older non A series lens on the
 K5 is easier than on the Fuji or Q.

 I would say that as long as there is a market for adapters to mix and
 match brands of lenses onto other makers' cameras, the advantage of
 legacy lenses exists to a reasonable extent, though it won't be apparent
 to a new user who just bought his first DSLR and kit lens.

 bill

Irony is one of the few things I'm good at Bill.

My statement was made largely from the narrow perspective that Pentax
legacy lens support on new Pentax bodies is not an advantage for
Pentax in that basically all DSLR mfrs. can justifiably claim the
same.

I almost never used my MF Pentax lenses on my AF bodies. The same can
be true of the Sony NEX-7 (except I use the FA 100/2.8 macro on it
occasionally as I don't want to spend the money for a macro lens, and
the Sony e-mount offering is ridiculously short... 30mm)..

I suppose that's largely because of the convenience of AF, and the
other reasons you mention.

That said, I bought a Nikon 50mm AIS something or other, that will
will work on both the D800E and the NEX-7 via adapter.

If one shoots MF, the 'focus feel' of an MF lens is generally better
and the aperture ring is nice.

I suppose the advantage of using legacy glass is debatable but it's
largely a matter of:

1. If you already have the lens
2. If you can acquire a lens far cheaper than otherwise
3. One can mix/match mfrs.

As you allude to, the above are advantages only if one feels they
don't outweigh the inherent disadvantages or possibly if one largely
shoots in manual focus mode.

Tom C.

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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread Mark C

Lots of great photos there - you rally captured the event!

Mark

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http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
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Re: Peso The annual plowing demo

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

According to my little John Paul Jones book of grammar, that should be

I have not yet begun to edit!

;-D

On 7/20/2013 2:10 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:

A great portrayal of rural life. The plow one in BW would look like the old
days.


I have not begun to edit, yet.:-)

I usually convert a few for the fair contest.

Dave


Gerrit

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Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:32 AM
To: Pentax Discuss; Petch Dianne; Barbara Brooks
Subject: Peso The annual plowing demo

Friday was the annual plowing demo using horse and old tractor power.
Pretty windy day, it ran from 1-3 ish then the thunder storms rolled in.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17467454
cutting the grain

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17467455
using the Massey

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17467456
The old boys, all local framers who started all this back in the mid 80's to
keep the old ways alive. The guys 2nd and 3rd from the left are the farm
owner who host the event. The ladies make pies and jams etc to sell for the
local church upgrades.

K-5 D FA 16-45 shot in DNG

Dave



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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread P.J. Alling
That was actually a mid 20th century development, Kerosine was used as a 
lamp oil, for heating, and cooking, so it was available, and it's price 
didn't include a road tax in addition to being less expensive to 
produce.  I believe the tractor had a dual fuel system, it was started 
using gasoline, then once it had warmed up sufficiently to keep the 
kerosine warm in a preheating chamber so that it could be ignited by a 
spark plug the fuel was switched.  Economically it's the equvelent of 
running a Diesel engine on home heating oil, except the system is 
actually designed for it, and it's probably legal.



On 7/21/2013 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Dave,
The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

Dave,
That's quite a gallery!
Congratulations on assembling it.
I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
to work a farm with a team of horses.
You really had to love the farm.
Beautiful images of important things gone by.
Regards,  Bob S.

Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


Dave


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
time on their hands, have a look.

Dave

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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com
So after I posted this, I got to thinking, the tractor in question 
looked a lot earlier than mid 20th century.  In fact more like from the 
teens or twenties. There were a lot of web sites that postulated that it 
and it's type were prediesel designs but both diesel and gasoline 
tractors had been around since at least the late 1890's.  I'm not sure 
if that particular tractor used the dual system, if it didn't it must 
have been a bear to start.


On 7/21/2013 12:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
That was actually a mid 20th century development, Kerosine was used as 
a lamp oil, for heating, and cooking, so it was available, and it's 
price didn't include a road tax in addition to being less expensive to 
produce.  I believe the tractor had a dual fuel system, it was started 
using gasoline, then once it had warmed up sufficiently to keep the 
kerosine warm in a preheating chamber so that it could be ignited by a 
spark plug the fuel was switched. Economically it's the equvelent of 
running a Diesel engine on home heating oil, except the system is 
actually designed for it, and it's probably legal.



On 7/21/2013 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Dave,
The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks 
pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan 
rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

Dave,
That's quite a gallery!
Congratulations on assembling it.
I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
to work a farm with a team of horses.
You really had to love the farm.
Beautiful images of important things gone by.
Regards,  Bob S.

Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


Dave


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks 
pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
time on their hands, have a look.

Dave

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Ok, why does it do that?

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms
Now that I've got the list coming in directly to Thunderbird (via 
Yahoo), I've made a filter that puts all PDML into a PDML folder. Seems 
to be working great.


In the PDML folder, I tried sorting by subject. Works ok, but ...

It doesn't quite group all the same subject together in one place?

Case in point - I see two replies to Larry's post Re: PESO Down by the 
seashore.


Then I work my way down through several more groups of subjects  
replies and lo  behold, there's Larry's original post PESO Down by the 
seashore and then several more replies. Why weren't they all together 
in one place? They were all already in the folder when I did the sort.


Not a rant, just curious why it does that? Anyone know?

Thunderbird for Dummies version if you will.


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RE: Ok, why does it do that?

2013-07-21 Thread Gerrit Visser
I occasionally get that sorting in Outlook as well. It must be in the header
somewhere. I will find a sample and see if I can see what the difference is.

Gerrit

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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:59 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Ok, why does it do that?

Now that I've got the list coming in directly to Thunderbird (via Yahoo),
I've made a filter that puts all PDML into a PDML folder. Seems to be
working great.

In the PDML folder, I tried sorting by subject. Works ok, but ...

It doesn't quite group all the same subject together in one place?

Case in point - I see two replies to Larry's post Re: PESO Down by the
seashore.

Then I work my way down through several more groups of subjects  replies
and lo  behold, there's Larry's original post PESO Down by the seashore
and then several more replies. Why weren't they all together in one place?
They were all already in the folder when I did the sort.

Not a rant, just curious why it does that? Anyone know?

Thunderbird for Dummies version if you will.


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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM, aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com
aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com wrote:
 So after I posted this, I got to thinking, the tractor in question looked a
 lot earlier than mid 20th century.  In fact more like from the teens or
 twenties. There were a lot of web sites that postulated that it and it's
 type were prediesel designs but both diesel and gasoline tractors had been
 around since at least the late 1890's.  I'm not sure if that particular
 tractor used the dual system, if it didn't it must have been a bear to
 start.

I am friends with one of the farmwers son's and i'll see if i can get
any info on this tractor, It was new this year to the demo.

It seemed to start ok, but one person had to walk beside it to do
restarts every 30 seconds or so.

Dave


 On 7/21/2013 12:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

 That was actually a mid 20th century development, Kerosine was used as a
 lamp oil, for heating, and cooking, so it was available, and it's price
 didn't include a road tax in addition to being less expensive to produce.  I
 believe the tractor had a dual fuel system, it was started using gasoline,
 then once it had warmed up sufficiently to keep the kerosine warm in a
 preheating chamber so that it could be ignited by a spark plug the fuel was
 switched. Economically it's the equvelent of running a Diesel engine on home
 heating oil, except the system is actually designed for it, and it's
 probably legal.


 On 7/21/2013 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Dave,
 The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
 I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
 It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
 in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
 They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dave,
 That's quite a gallery!
 Congratulations on assembling it.
 I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
 to work a farm with a team of horses.
 You really had to love the farm.
 Beautiful images of important things gone by.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

 Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
 thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
 unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
 My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
 But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


 Dave


 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

 There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
 to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
 time on their hands, have a look.

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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmL38BvVULo

seems its at least from 1919

Dave

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:06 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM, aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com
 aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com wrote:
 So after I posted this, I got to thinking, the tractor in question looked a
 lot earlier than mid 20th century.  In fact more like from the teens or
 twenties. There were a lot of web sites that postulated that it and it's
 type were prediesel designs but both diesel and gasoline tractors had been
 around since at least the late 1890's.  I'm not sure if that particular
 tractor used the dual system, if it didn't it must have been a bear to
 start.

 I am friends with one of the farmwers son's and i'll see if i can get
 any info on this tractor, It was new this year to the demo.

 It seemed to start ok, but one person had to walk beside it to do
 restarts every 30 seconds or so.

 Dave


 On 7/21/2013 12:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

 That was actually a mid 20th century development, Kerosine was used as a
 lamp oil, for heating, and cooking, so it was available, and it's price
 didn't include a road tax in addition to being less expensive to produce.  I
 believe the tractor had a dual fuel system, it was started using gasoline,
 then once it had warmed up sufficiently to keep the kerosine warm in a
 preheating chamber so that it could be ignited by a spark plug the fuel was
 switched. Economically it's the equvelent of running a Diesel engine on home
 heating oil, except the system is actually designed for it, and it's
 probably legal.


 On 7/21/2013 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Dave,
 The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
 I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
 It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
 in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
 They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dave,
 That's quite a gallery!
 Congratulations on assembling it.
 I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
 to work a farm with a team of horses.
 You really had to love the farm.
 Beautiful images of important things gone by.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

 Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
 thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
 unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
 My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
 But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


 Dave


 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

 There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
 to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
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Re: OT it's getting rumbly again

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms
Heard about it on NPR news (Sunday noon EDT)  was going to post a query 
whether y'all were doing alright. Good to hear you're hanging in there. 
Hope it will go away again without too much heartbreak.


NPR said it was swarm - this was either the 5th earthquake in a week 
with greater than magnitude 4.0 or that there have been 5 greater than 
4.0 before this one. The story said it had broken water mains/sewers  
other minor damage, but no reported casualties.


Oh, and the scientists don't know why you're getting a swarm now, which 
I took to mean they don't know whether this is a precursor of something 
to come or more aftereffects from the last one.


Anyway, it's good to hear that you're safe for now. Stay that way.

On 7/21/2013 1:40 AM, David Mann wrote:

During the past few days there has been a spate of earthquakes just
southwest of our capital city, Wellington.  They've been fairly
small, up to mid-5 in magnitude, but they had a 6.5 earlier this
afternoon which might just about be big enough to make the news.

It's been reported in our local news site as a 6.8 but GNS have since
revised it to 6.5.

I haven't heard any reports of damage or casualties but I don't
anticipate much.  I actually felt it here but it was very subtle.  It
took about 2 minutes to get here :)

I'm hoping they don't get anything much bigger than that but if our
country falls off the face of the earth soon you'll know why.
There's a long history of seismicity in that area with major ones in
1848, 1855,  and a couple in 1942.

Cheers, Dave




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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

On 7/21/2013 1:06 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM, aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com
aggrivatedathotm...@gmail.com wrote:

So after I posted this, I got to thinking, the tractor in question looked a
lot earlier than mid 20th century.  In fact more like from the teens or
twenties. There were a lot of web sites that postulated that it and it's
type were prediesel designs but both diesel and gasoline tractors had been
around since at least the late 1890's.  I'm not sure if that particular
tractor used the dual system, if it didn't it must have been a bear to
start.


I am friends with one of the farmwers son's and i'll see if i can get
any info on this tractor, It was new this year to the demo.

It seemed to start ok, but one person had to walk beside it to do
restarts every 30 seconds or so.

Dave


In the video it looked like someone was having to do that for the horses 
too, as if they hadn't worked at it often enough to learn what they were 
supposed to do.







On 7/21/2013 12:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:


That was actually a mid 20th century development, Kerosine was used as a
lamp oil, for heating, and cooking, so it was available, and it's price
didn't include a road tax in addition to being less expensive to produce.  I
believe the tractor had a dual fuel system, it was started using gasoline,
then once it had warmed up sufficiently to keep the kerosine warm in a
preheating chamber so that it could be ignited by a spark plug the fuel was
switched. Economically it's the equvelent of running a Diesel engine on home
heating oil, except the system is actually designed for it, and it's
probably legal.


On 7/21/2013 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Dave,
The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
wrote:


Dave,
That's quite a gallery!
Congratulations on assembling it.
I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
to work a farm with a team of horses.
You really had to love the farm.
Beautiful images of important things gone by.
Regards,  Bob S.


Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


Dave



On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:


http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants like
to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
time on their hands, have a look.

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Re: Ok, why does it do that?

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Some mail clients are especially stupid and break the In-Reply-To:
protocol one way or another. If you examine the full headers of this
message there should be a header:

In-Reply-To: 51ec1336.1090...@nc.rr.com

that threads this message back to yours. Some mail viewers will try to
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rethread, but these same broken clients will often also mangle the
Subject: so there's no hope.

One last thing is I think that replying to threads from a digest mail
is iffy and may break threading.


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 Now that I've got the list coming in directly to Thunderbird (via Yahoo),
 I've made a filter that puts all PDML into a PDML folder. Seems to be
 working great.

 In the PDML folder, I tried sorting by subject. Works ok, but ...

 It doesn't quite group all the same subject together in one place?

 Case in point - I see two replies to Larry's post Re: PESO Down by the
 seashore.

 Then I work my way down through several more groups of subjects  replies
 and lo  behold, there's Larry's original post PESO Down by the seashore
 and then several more replies. Why weren't they all together in one place?
 They were all already in the folder when I did the sort.

 Not a rant, just curious why it does that? Anyone know?

 Thunderbird for Dummies version if you will.


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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

Except that I can't find the View-all-sizes to click.

I can get it to go full-screen, but that gives me a slide show that I 
can't control or stop except by hitting [ESC] to exit full-screen.


The new Flickr interface SUX!

On 7/21/2013 9:17 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Very impressive, Alan. It's worth clicking on View-all-sizes and
examining the largest-sized file (5325 x 1715).  The croc was
invisible to me in the browser-wide image.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this
is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Those Flickr bits aren't exactly new, just rearranged a bit.

To get to View-all-sizes:

   - get out of Lightbox by clicking the X in upper-right corner;
   - click on the ellipses (...) icon in the lower-right corner;
   - select View all sizes choice;
   - click on Original to see the largest version.

Enjoy!


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 Except that I can't find the View-all-sizes to click.

 I can get it to go full-screen, but that gives me a slide show that I can't
 control or stop except by hitting [ESC] to exit full-screen.

 The new Flickr interface SUX!


 On 7/21/2013 9:17 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Very impressive, Alan. It's worth clicking on View-all-sizes and
 examining the largest-sized file (5325 x 1715).  The croc was
 invisible to me in the browser-wide image.

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
 counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so
 this
 is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
 took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

 K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: PESO Down by the seashore

2013-07-21 Thread Kenneth Waller
looks like the 'right coast' to me.

-Original Message-
From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PESO  Down by the seashore

On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 Nicolas and Julie are the children of my Belgioan foreign exchange brother
 who is in town for a high school reunion.  I think that this is a fun shot
 with them at the beach in Santa Cruz.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9329214645/

Love the surfer in front of the lighthouse.

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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

On 7/20/2013 5:21 PM, Mark C wrote:

Thanks, Ken - I was wondering if the reusable canister would get too
messed up from adhesive residue, if tape or labels were used, but
apparently not.

Mark




I've found those alcohol prep pads like you use for cleaning skin before
sticking yourself to check your blood sugar will take the residue off if
it's starting to build up and doesn't seem to do any damage to the
cartridge.

I used to peel the old label off  put a new one whenever reused a
cartridge. Didn't need to clean them every time.

I've got a bunch of those reusable cartridges that turned out to be
nothing more than commercial cartridges with a printed label over the
original Kodak/Fuji artwork on metal casing.




On 7/20/2013 2:14 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges?


In film days I use to mark the ISO  number of exposures on a piece of
masking tape a put it on the cassette.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading



On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote:


Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded
cartridges, a bulk loader  bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a
penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely
digital  never shoot film again gave it to me.


HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just
writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie.

Mark








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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html

On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one
type of BW film (Plus X).

Jeffery



I wish Plus-X was still around

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Kenneth Waller
Nice capture.

-Original Message-
From: Alan C c...@lantic.net
Subject: ELLIE PANO

A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I 
counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so this 
is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I 
took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

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Re: Geso A gallery from the plow demo

2013-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:24 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 I am friends with one of the farmwers son's and i'll see if i can get
 any info on this tractor, It was new this year to the demo.

 It seemed to start ok, but one person had to walk beside it to do
 restarts every 30 seconds or so.

 Dave


 In the video it looked like someone was having to do that for the horses
 too, as if they hadn't worked at it often enough to learn what they were
 supposed to do.

There were 1-2 newish horses but the drivers are also new, and the
equipment jams a lot, so its hard to say.

Dave






 On 7/21/2013 12:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:


 That was actually a mid 20th century development, Kerosine was used as a
 lamp oil, for heating, and cooking, so it was available, and it's price
 didn't include a road tax in addition to being less expensive to
 produce.  I
 believe the tractor had a dual fuel system, it was started using
 gasoline,
 then once it had warmed up sufficiently to keep the kerosine warm in a
 preheating chamber so that it could be ignited by a spark plug the fuel
 was
 switched. Economically it's the equvelent of running a Diesel engine on
 home
 heating oil, except the system is actually designed for it, and it's
 probably legal.


 On 7/21/2013 11:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


 Dave,
 The Kerosene tractor caught my eye.
 I suppose that was pre-gasoline powered machinery.
 It is in contrast to the steam powered farm machinery
 in the Racine, WI 4th of July parade.
 They had quite a display of old equipment and faded manufacturers.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Dave,
 That's quite a gallery!
 Congratulations on assembling it.
 I was struck by how much hard work it had to be
 to work a farm with a team of horses.
 You really had to love the farm.
 Beautiful images of important things gone by.
 Regards,  Bob S.


 Thanks Bob. And sorry for the big gallery.

 Yes it must have been very hard indeed, but for some one like me, who
 thinks technology is moving way to fast, this gives me an afternoon to
 unwind so to speak. I love seeing all of the older stuff in action.
 My Mom always said i should have been born 100 years earlier.
 But then i would not be on the PDML, so it work out


 Dave



 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2013-plow1/album/index.html

 There are a lot of photos , around 270. Some of the participants
 like
 to see their photos so i just include them all, for those with some
 time on their hands, have a look.

 Dave


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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Sold out…a relic.


On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html
 
 On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:
 On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
 labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one
 type of BW film (Plus X).
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 I wish Plus-X was still around
 
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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps  you're
good to go.

I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old
commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original
artwork.

Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese
commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original
Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying
cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6).

So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes
reused for commercial reloading.

Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader
sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that
leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge.

Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader  use it to pull the
film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction
will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold.

But, if you rewind it  lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not
long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor.

When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges
into. When it filled up it got taped up  shipped back to Kodak for
recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you
could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag
full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through
the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet.

Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please!

One thing about mini-labs.

You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without
hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives.

But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average
mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is  they won't know any
better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their
chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it
will definitely EFF UP your film.


On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both
parents ...


Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you
re-use commercial film canisters?  I am somewhat embarrassed to admit
this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just
for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just
my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was
spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of
them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual
canister?  I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters -
the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is
needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like
UltraFine and Adox etc...

If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each,
then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal.

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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread John

I never had any trouble from using one like this.

http://tinyurl.com/film-opener

And in a long ago land before certain design refinements became 
widespread, the other end was just as useful.



On 7/20/2013 6:12 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

If you use a certain film cassette opener, it won't crimp the end
cap. I'm not sure how many times you can reuse it, though. Look
here:

http://www.adorama.com/KRCO.html

Jeffery


On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:


On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from
both parents ...


Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can
you re-use commercial film canisters?  I am somewhat embarrassed to
admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of
Pro-Max 100.  Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of
each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came
off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister,
center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly
serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister?  I
don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end
caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed
to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine
and Adox etc...

If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1
each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a
terribly bad deal.

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Re: Eyebrow clarity: handheld vs tripod (was Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?)

2013-07-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Zos, eyebrows are my litmus test for system sharpness. Get a well-lit
 headshot of somebody and examine their eyebrows. You should clearly
 see the individual hairs. Any time I handhold to get such a shot the
 eyebrows are invariably a gaussian smear. You cannot do clean
 retouching of such images.

 I can show you a 100% crop of my model's eyebrows from the last beauty
 shots I took using a tripod with my K20D and DA* 50-135. Clear, sharp,
 detailed. I defy you to get that clarity handheld, no matter the
 shutter speed.

 Let's make sure we're testing the same thing.  What percent of frame
 should the person's head be?  Any other requirements?
 
 You want this to be scientific? This is The Internet. :-)

Not necessarily scientific, but at least evidence-based.  ;-)

 Well, the shot I have In Support of Tripod Use is this recent one:
 
 http://flic.kr/p/f2Kebj
 
 Obviously head fills the frame, landscape. Camera was about 8-9 feet
 away, 135mm at F8.0, ISO 200.
 
 Here's a 100% crop of her right eyebrow and eyelashes:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/BMW_8026-crop.tif
 
 It's an 8-bit TIFF, exported from the original RAW shot in Lightroom
 4. Lr's default zeroed settings except WB: flash and the default RAW
 sharpening of 25.

This is a sucky shot, but hopefully enough to disprove your point.  Nikon
P7100 (10MP), mirror selfie, arm braced on door frame, 61mm (35mm/e), ISO
100, 1/25s.  Converted from RAW in Preview.app (essentially no editing).

http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow_headshot.jpg
http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow.tiff

A better and/or newer camera with a higher shutter speed and better
lighting would certainly improve things, as would tighter composition.
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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

That SUX!

Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either 
illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the 
manufacturer.


On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Sold out…a relic.


On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html

On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one
type of BW film (Plus X).

Jeffery



I wish Plus-X was still around

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Re: Eyebrow clarity: handheld vs tripod (was Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?)

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Zos, eyebrows are my litmus test for system sharpness. Get a well-lit
 headshot of somebody and examine their eyebrows. You should clearly
 see the individual hairs. Any time I handhold to get such a shot the
 eyebrows are invariably a gaussian smear. You cannot do clean
 retouching of such images.

 I can show you a 100% crop of my model's eyebrows from the last beauty
 shots I took using a tripod with my K20D and DA* 50-135. Clear, sharp,
 detailed. I defy you to get that clarity handheld, no matter the
 shutter speed.

 Let's make sure we're testing the same thing.  What percent of frame
 should the person's head be?  Any other requirements?

 You want this to be scientific? This is The Internet. :-)

 Not necessarily scientific, but at least evidence-based.  ;-)

 Well, the shot I have In Support of Tripod Use is this recent one:

 http://flic.kr/p/f2Kebj

 Obviously head fills the frame, landscape. Camera was about 8-9 feet
 away, 135mm at F8.0, ISO 200.

 Here's a 100% crop of her right eyebrow and eyelashes:

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/BMW_8026-crop.tif

 It's an 8-bit TIFF, exported from the original RAW shot in Lightroom
 4. Lr's default zeroed settings except WB: flash and the default RAW
 sharpening of 25.

 This is a sucky shot, but hopefully enough to disprove your point.  Nikon
 P7100 (10MP), mirror selfie, arm braced on door frame, 61mm (35mm/e), ISO
 100, 1/25s.  Converted from RAW in Preview.app (essentially no editing).

 http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow_headshot.jpg
 http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow.tiff

 A better and/or newer camera with a higher shutter speed and better
 lighting would certainly improve things, as would tighter composition.

Yes, that's really nice and sharp brows, but you cheated there. By
bracing yourself on the door you've improvised a tripod with two legs
and a doorframe. ;-)

Handheld is handheld ...

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Re: AF280T Failure

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms
OLD Vivitar 285-HV is pretty good. Trigger voltage 6vdc won't fry your 
DSLR.


NEW Vivitar 285-HV not so good. Quality control issues I'm told.

On 7/20/2013 10:27 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

So my AF280T made some awful cracking sounds and now only seems to
fire at 1/1. This makes it pretty much impossible to use. Close
objects are blown at even iso 100 and f8. Bummer. Just as I was about
to go out and shoot an event. Joy. I could go with the onboard flash,
but I think I will just stay home now. I've really had no luck with
flashes lately. Every one I have bought has either blown up or failed
in some way a short time later. Its probably time to bite the bullet
and send my metz 54 in. At least I can have something reliable again.
Oh photoshoots coming up too. So what's the cheapest half decent flash
I can buy on the cheap? Old vivitars?



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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone. 

http://www.porters.com

No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends 
now? 

I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still use it. I 
think it cost about $7 in the 70's.

Jeffery


On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 That SUX!
 
 Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, 
 immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer.
 
 On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 Sold out…a relic.
 
 
 On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html
 
 On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:
 On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
 labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one
 type of BW film (Plus X).
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 I wish Plus-X was still around
 
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Re: Ok, why does it do that?

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms
Ok, that helped. Reminded me to look at some of the other options  I've 
switched the folder to a threaded view, although that temporarily made 
this message disappear for some reason. Plus it was showing two unread 
messages for the folder, but none in the message pane. Opening the 
folder in a new tab brought the invisible messages back.


I'll see how this works out.

On 7/21/2013 1:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Some mail clients are especially stupid and break the In-Reply-To:
protocol one way or another. If you examine the full headers of this
message there should be a header:

 In-Reply-To: 51ec1336.1090...@nc.rr.com

that threads this message back to yours. Some mail viewers will try to
undo the damage of stupid clients and use the Subject: header to
rethread, but these same broken clients will often also mangle the
Subject: so there's no hope.

One last thing is I think that replying to threads from a digest mail
is iffy and may break threading.


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Now that I've got the list coming in directly to Thunderbird (via Yahoo),
I've made a filter that puts all PDML into a PDML folder. Seems to be
working great.

In the PDML folder, I tried sorting by subject. Works ok, but ...

It doesn't quite group all the same subject together in one place?

Case in point - I see two replies to Larry's post Re: PESO Down by the
seashore.

Then I work my way down through several more groups of subjects  replies
and lo  behold, there's Larry's original post PESO Down by the seashore
and then several more replies. Why weren't they all together in one place?
They were all already in the folder when I did the sort.

Not a rant, just curious why it does that? Anyone know?

Thunderbird for Dummies version if you will.


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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

Thanks.

On 7/21/2013 1:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Those Flickr bits aren't exactly new, just rearranged a bit.

To get to View-all-sizes:

- get out of Lightbox by clicking the X in upper-right corner;
- click on the ellipses (...) icon in the lower-right corner;
- select View all sizes choice;
- click on Original to see the largest version.

Enjoy!


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Except that I can't find the View-all-sizes to click.

I can get it to go full-screen, but that gives me a slide show that I can't
control or stop except by hitting [ESC] to exit full-screen.

The new Flickr interface SUX!


On 7/21/2013 9:17 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Very impressive, Alan. It's worth clicking on View-all-sizes and
examining the largest-sized file (5325 x 1715).  The croc was
invisible to me in the browser-wide image.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:


A herd heading back into the bush after drinking at the Letaba River. I
counted 51 but at least 10 had already climbed the bank on the left so
this
is quite a big herd. There is a 2m croc on the bank at the lower left. I
took the 3 shots in this pano about an hour before the zebras.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9335126988/lightbox/

K110D FA 100-300 @ 113mm  f5.6  1/3200sec  ISO 400

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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread P.J. Alling
You can find a lot of it on Amazon and ebay but it is sad.  Porters did 
try to continue with a combination of the old and new business model.  
To bad they didn't succeed.


On 7/21/2013 2:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone.

http://www.porters.com

No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends 
now?

I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still use it. I 
think it cost about $7 in the 70's.

Jeffery


On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


That SUX!

Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, 
immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer.

On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Sold out…a relic.


On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html

On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one
type of BW film (Plus X).

Jeffery



I wish Plus-X was still around

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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread P.J. Alling

That should be Too bad...

(I can be my own Spelling and Grammar Nazi).

On 7/21/2013 3:42 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
You can find a lot of it on Amazon and ebay but it is sad.  Porters 
did try to continue with a combination of the old and new business 
model.  To bad they didn't succeed.


On 7/21/2013 2:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone.

http://www.porters.com

No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds 
and ends now?


I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still 
use it. I think it cost about $7 in the 70's.


Jeffery


On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


That SUX!

Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either 
illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the 
manufacturer.


On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Sold out…a relic.


On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com 
wrote:


http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html 



On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only 
loaded one

type of BW film (Plus X).

Jeffery



I wish Plus-X was still around

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Re: OT it's getting rumbly again

2013-07-21 Thread David Mann
On Jul 22, 2013, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Heard about it on NPR news (Sunday noon EDT)  was going to post a query 
 whether y'all were doing alright. Good to hear you're hanging in there. Hope 
 it will go away again without too much heartbreak.

We'll wait and see I suppose.  A lot of frayed nerves up there by the sound of 
it.  I certainly wouldn't be sleeping!

 NPR said it was swarm - this was either the 5th earthquake in a week with 
 greater than magnitude 4.0 or that there have been 5 greater than 4.0 before 
 this one. The story said it had broken water mains/sewers  other minor 
 damage, but no reported casualties.

That's a pretty good summary.  They've shut down the rail network to check it 
and have closed a couple of streets due to minor building damage (broken glass 
etc).  I think it'll be mostly back to normal tomorrow after everything's been 
checked out.

 Oh, and the scientists don't know why you're getting a swarm now, which I 
 took to mean they don't know whether this is a precursor of something to come 
 or more aftereffects from the last one.

They tend to be careful in what they say but yes they can never really make 
predictions on any individual event.  One thing they mentioned is that there 
are a lot of active faults in that area so it's possible that this could 
trigger another one of those.  The latest is that they've given a 10% chance of 
another 6+ in the next 24 hours.

Cheers,
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Re: Eyebrow clarity: handheld vs tripod (was Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?)

2013-07-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Zos, eyebrows are my litmus test for system sharpness. Get a well-lit
 headshot of somebody and examine their eyebrows. You should clearly
 see the individual hairs. Any time I handhold to get such a shot the
 eyebrows are invariably a gaussian smear. You cannot do clean
 retouching of such images.

 I can show you a 100% crop of my model's eyebrows from the last beauty
 shots I took using a tripod with my K20D and DA* 50-135. Clear, sharp,
 detailed. I defy you to get that clarity handheld, no matter the
 shutter speed.

 Let's make sure we're testing the same thing.  What percent of frame
 should the person's head be?  Any other requirements?

 You want this to be scientific? This is The Internet. :-)

 Not necessarily scientific, but at least evidence-based.  ;-)

 Well, the shot I have In Support of Tripod Use is this recent one:

 http://flic.kr/p/f2Kebj

 Obviously head fills the frame, landscape. Camera was about 8-9 feet
 away, 135mm at F8.0, ISO 200.

 Here's a 100% crop of her right eyebrow and eyelashes:

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/BMW_8026-crop.tif

 It's an 8-bit TIFF, exported from the original RAW shot in Lightroom
 4. Lr's default zeroed settings except WB: flash and the default RAW
 sharpening of 25.

 This is a sucky shot, but hopefully enough to disprove your point.  Nikon
 P7100 (10MP), mirror selfie, arm braced on door frame, 61mm (35mm/e), ISO
 100, 1/25s.  Converted from RAW in Preview.app (essentially no editing).

 http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow_headshot.jpg
 http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow.tiff

 A better and/or newer camera with a higher shutter speed and better
 lighting would certainly improve things, as would tighter composition.
 
 Yes, that's really nice and sharp brows, but you cheated there. By
 bracing yourself on the door you've improvised a tripod with two legs
 and a doorframe. ;-)

 Handheld is handheld ...

Personally, I think that holding off-center one-handed at 1/25 counters
the arm brace, but anyway:

http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow2_headshot.jpg
http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow2.tiff

Now it's the Canon G1X (14MP, so more comparable with your K20D), 1/100,
112mm (35mm/e), shot two-handed with the LCD (zero body bracing).  Person
I'm shooting doesn't have eyebrows, so look at the hair.  ;-)  The JPG is
cropped to portrait from landscape (mainly to save bandwidth).

The K-5 at 1/500 and a nice lens ought to do really well...

To be clear, I'm not claiming that a tripod isn't better, just that one
can get sharp shots handheld even with moderately low shutter speeds.
(Maybe you can't, though I'd bet that you could with 1/2000, that freezes
most things.  I really appreciated 1/5000 on the cruise.)
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PESO - Dinan Basilica

2013-07-21 Thread Rick Womer
Another photo from the Dinan Basilica in Brittany.  The arches and the mixed 
lighting attracted me:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17464297

Or, more simply,

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17464297-lg.jpg

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments appreciated!

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Re: Eyebrow clarity: handheld vs tripod (was Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?)

2013-07-21 Thread P.J. Alling
I thought that you made your point with the last post, but when I click 
on the new links I get a Forbidden error page, not even the 403 error 
number...



On 7/21/2013 4:18 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

Zos, eyebrows are my litmus test for system sharpness. Get a well-lit
headshot of somebody and examine their eyebrows. You should clearly
see the individual hairs. Any time I handhold to get such a shot the
eyebrows are invariably a gaussian smear. You cannot do clean
retouching of such images.

I can show you a 100% crop of my model's eyebrows from the last beauty
shots I took using a tripod with my K20D and DA* 50-135. Clear, sharp,
detailed. I defy you to get that clarity handheld, no matter the
shutter speed.

Let's make sure we're testing the same thing.  What percent of frame
should the person's head be?  Any other requirements?

You want this to be scientific? This is The Internet. :-)

Not necessarily scientific, but at least evidence-based.  ;-)


Well, the shot I have In Support of Tripod Use is this recent one:

http://flic.kr/p/f2Kebj

Obviously head fills the frame, landscape. Camera was about 8-9 feet
away, 135mm at F8.0, ISO 200.

Here's a 100% crop of her right eyebrow and eyelashes:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/BMW_8026-crop.tif

It's an 8-bit TIFF, exported from the original RAW shot in Lightroom
4. Lr's default zeroed settings except WB: flash and the default RAW
sharpening of 25.

This is a sucky shot, but hopefully enough to disprove your point.  Nikon
P7100 (10MP), mirror selfie, arm braced on door frame, 61mm (35mm/e), ISO
100, 1/25s.  Converted from RAW in Preview.app (essentially no editing).

http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow_headshot.jpg
http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow.tiff

A better and/or newer camera with a higher shutter speed and better
lighting would certainly improve things, as would tighter composition.

Yes, that's really nice and sharp brows, but you cheated there. By
bracing yourself on the door you've improvised a tripod with two legs
and a doorframe. ;-)

Handheld is handheld ...

Personally, I think that holding off-center one-handed at 1/25 counters
the arm brace, but anyway:

http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow2_headshot.jpg
http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow2.tiff

Now it's the Canon G1X (14MP, so more comparable with your K20D), 1/100,
112mm (35mm/e), shot two-handed with the LCD (zero body bracing).  Person
I'm shooting doesn't have eyebrows, so look at the hair.  ;-)  The JPG is
cropped to portrait from landscape (mainly to save bandwidth).

The K-5 at 1/500 and a nice lens ought to do really well...

To be clear, I'm not claiming that a tripod isn't better, just that one
can get sharp shots handheld even with moderately low shutter speeds.
(Maybe you can't, though I'd bet that you could with 1/2000, that freezes
most things.  I really appreciated 1/5000 on the cruise.)



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Re: AF280T Failure

2013-07-21 Thread Zos Xavius
I was looking at the 285 earlier today. I think that's what I'm going
to find. I prefer having an autothyristor vs just full manual. It
looks like it swivels too which is a must.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 OLD Vivitar 285-HV is pretty good. Trigger voltage 6vdc won't fry your
 DSLR.

 NEW Vivitar 285-HV not so good. Quality control issues I'm told.


 On 7/20/2013 10:27 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

 So my AF280T made some awful cracking sounds and now only seems to
 fire at 1/1. This makes it pretty much impossible to use. Close
 objects are blown at even iso 100 and f8. Bummer. Just as I was about
 to go out and shoot an event. Joy. I could go with the onboard flash,
 but I think I will just stay home now. I've really had no luck with
 flashes lately. Every one I have bought has either blown up or failed
 in some way a short time later. Its probably time to bite the bullet
 and send my metz 54 in. At least I can have something reliable again.
 Oh photoshoots coming up too. So what's the cheapest half decent flash
 I can buy on the cheap? Old vivitars?


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Re: Eyebrow clarity: handheld vs tripod (was Re: Any new flagship camera rumors?)

2013-07-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013, P.J. Alling wrote:

 I thought that you made your point with the last post, but when I
 click on the new links I get a Forbidden error page, not even the
 403 error number...

Sorry about that, fixed now.

I thought I made my point, too, but Bruce didn't, so I figured I might
as well give it another go.


 On 7/21/2013 4:18 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
Zos, eyebrows are my litmus test for system sharpness. Get a well-lit
headshot of somebody and examine their eyebrows. You should clearly
see the individual hairs. Any time I handhold to get such a shot the
eyebrows are invariably a gaussian smear. You cannot do clean
retouching of such images.

I can show you a 100% crop of my model's eyebrows from the last beauty
shots I took using a tripod with my K20D and DA* 50-135. Clear, sharp,
detailed. I defy you to get that clarity handheld, no matter the
shutter speed.
Let's make sure we're testing the same thing.  What percent of frame
should the person's head be?  Any other requirements?
You want this to be scientific? This is The Internet. :-)
Not necessarily scientific, but at least evidence-based.  ;-)

Well, the shot I have In Support of Tripod Use is this recent one:

http://flic.kr/p/f2Kebj

Obviously head fills the frame, landscape. Camera was about 8-9 feet
away, 135mm at F8.0, ISO 200.

Here's a 100% crop of her right eyebrow and eyelashes:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/BMW_8026-crop.tif

It's an 8-bit TIFF, exported from the original RAW shot in Lightroom
4. Lr's default zeroed settings except WB: flash and the default RAW
sharpening of 25.
This is a sucky shot, but hopefully enough to disprove your point.  Nikon
P7100 (10MP), mirror selfie, arm braced on door frame, 61mm (35mm/e), ISO
100, 1/25s.  Converted from RAW in Preview.app (essentially no editing).

http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow_headshot.jpg
http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow.tiff

A better and/or newer camera with a higher shutter speed and better
lighting would certainly improve things, as would tighter composition.
Yes, that's really nice and sharp brows, but you cheated there. By
bracing yourself on the door you've improvised a tripod with two legs
and a doorframe. ;-)

Handheld is handheld ...
Personally, I think that holding off-center one-handed at 1/25 counters
the arm brace, but anyway:

http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow2_headshot.jpg
http://rule6.info/photos/critique/eyebrow/eyebrow2.tiff

Now it's the Canon G1X (14MP, so more comparable with your K20D), 1/100,
112mm (35mm/e), shot two-handed with the LCD (zero body bracing).  Person
I'm shooting doesn't have eyebrows, so look at the hair.  ;-)  The JPG is
cropped to portrait from landscape (mainly to save bandwidth).

The K-5 at 1/500 and a nice lens ought to do really well...

To be clear, I'm not claiming that a tripod isn't better, just that one
can get sharp shots handheld even with moderately low shutter speeds.
(Maybe you can't, though I'd bet that you could with 1/2000, that freezes
most things.  I really appreciated 1/5000 on the cruise.)

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Re: AF280T Failure

2013-07-21 Thread P.J. Alling

The Vivitar 285HV tilts but doesn't swivel.

On 7/21/2013 4:49 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

I was looking at the 285 earlier today. I think that's what I'm going
to find. I prefer having an autothyristor vs just full manual. It
looks like it swivels too which is a must.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

OLD Vivitar 285-HV is pretty good. Trigger voltage 6vdc won't fry your
DSLR.

NEW Vivitar 285-HV not so good. Quality control issues I'm told.


On 7/20/2013 10:27 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

So my AF280T made some awful cracking sounds and now only seems to
fire at 1/1. This makes it pretty much impossible to use. Close
objects are blown at even iso 100 and f8. Bummer. Just as I was about
to go out and shoot an event. Joy. I could go with the onboard flash,
but I think I will just stay home now. I've really had no luck with
flashes lately. Every one I have bought has either blown up or failed
in some way a short time later. Its probably time to bite the bullet
and send my metz 54 in. At least I can have something reliable again.
Oh photoshoots coming up too. So what's the cheapest half decent flash
I can buy on the cheap? Old vivitars?


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KEH in the bay area

2013-07-21 Thread Larry Colen
I just got an email from KEH that they are going to be at the Hayward
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Re: AF280T Failure

2013-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
All flash guns are temporary. They're candles. They burn down. Think of them as 
flashbulbs that last a bit longer.

Paul via phone

On Jul 21, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was looking at the 285 earlier today. I think that's what I'm going
 to find. I prefer having an autothyristor vs just full manual. It
 looks like it swivels too which is a must.
 
 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 OLD Vivitar 285-HV is pretty good. Trigger voltage 6vdc won't fry your
 DSLR.
 
 NEW Vivitar 285-HV not so good. Quality control issues I'm told.
 
 
 On 7/20/2013 10:27 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 
 So my AF280T made some awful cracking sounds and now only seems to
 fire at 1/1. This makes it pretty much impossible to use. Close
 objects are blown at even iso 100 and f8. Bummer. Just as I was about
 to go out and shoot an event. Joy. I could go with the onboard flash,
 but I think I will just stay home now. I've really had no luck with
 flashes lately. Every one I have bought has either blown up or failed
 in some way a short time later. Its probably time to bite the bullet
 and send my metz 54 in. At least I can have something reliable again.
 Oh photoshoots coming up too. So what's the cheapest half decent flash
 I can buy on the cheap? Old vivitars?
 
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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:


Bruce,
I like the color better as the pot has some interesting color detail.
I know you were sick on this trip, but you got some great images.
Keep them coming.



Thanks, Bob.  The colour version seems to be the preferred version.

Actually I was only ill towards the end of the trip, mainly in Arcata  
and San Francisco.  Glad you're enjoying the photos.



Cheers

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Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Brian Walters  
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

The monochrome brings out the texture in the wall, but it doesn't do  
anything for the Pot.


I wonder if selectively de-saturating the wall might be effective?  
Perhaps not quite all the way to monochrome.



Interesting - I'll give it a try.  Thanks.

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On 7/19/2013 8:35 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of
the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way
many homes have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html


I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html



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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com:

Brian I like them both but flipping back  forth I think the BW is  
more dramatic which may be what a static subject needs. I'd keep  
them both and use as needed says Polonius



Thanks Don.  The colour version seems to be preferred but I like them  
both so, yes, I'll be keeping both.



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Subject: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall
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G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of
the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way
many homes have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


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monochrome version is preferable.


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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting kwal...@peoplepc.com:


Wow Brian a hard choice to pick from.

The color version eeks out the B+W by a bit but both are nice.
I like the simplicity antd the composition.

I agree about Sante Fe but I think Taos beats it in that regard.

Glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed hearing your reactions to your trip  
on your blog.

Was this your first visit?




Yes.  It's been a long time coming and, realistically, it's unlikely  
I'll get back again. But, you never know.


We passed through Taos on the way to Taos Pueblo.  I was surprised how  
large Taos is - I was expecting a small village.  Unfortunately we  
didn't have time to explore the older parts of the town.





Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
Subject: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall



G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one  
of  the most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like  
the way  many homes have decorations on their external walls.


This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso.html


Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or   
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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:


on 2013-07-19 6:35 Brian Walters wrote

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.html


nice nicho, and interesting how you composed it very flat, so the  
dimension comes from shading, and the shadow makes a nice hard line  
along the pot


prefer it in color; the wall looks a little fleshy, perhaps slightly  
extra red?



Not deliberately.  I boosted the contrast a tad using a Photoshop  
action and that may have increased the red tones slightly.


Thanks for the comment.



Cheers

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Re: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com:


I really like the colour view. On the BW ithe texture makes it look very
grainy, not so on the colour one.



Thanks, Gerrit.  The colour version seems to be the winner.

Thanks also Dan, Rick, Ann, Christine, Frank, Bob W, Chris and Bruce.   
 Much appreciated.




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Gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:36 AM
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Subject: PESO - Ceramic Pot on a Wall

G'day all

Apologies for the naff title - couldn't think of anything catchy.

This is from our USA trip - taken in Santa Fe, which has to be one of the
most photogenic cities I've ever been in.  I really like the way many homes
have decorations on their external walls.

This faded ceramic pot caught my eye:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1-peso.ht
ml

I also played around with it using Nik Silver Efex

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP2142-K5-1bw--peso
.html


Comments/suggestions welcome, especially whether the colour or monochrome
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Re: KEH in the bay area

2013-07-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 I just got an email from KEH that they are going to be at the Hayward
 camera show next weekend, buying and selling gear.

AFAICT, their e-mail only said that they're going to be buying, did I
miss something?
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Re: KEH in the bay area

2013-07-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 02:27:31PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
 I just got an email from KEH that they are going to be at the Hayward
 camera show next weekend, buying and selling gear.

It looks like they are just going to be buying stuff at the show:
Dear Larry, 
  
KEH Camera is heading to Hayward, CA for a one day buying event at the Hayward 
Camera Show!  

We are currently paying top dollar for your clean, used gear, so this is a 
great time to come see us!  Our buyer will be available to make you an offer on 
the spot for your photographic equipment.

Admission to the show is $3.00.

If you cannot attend the buying event, or have too much gear to transport, KEH 
would still love to buy your used equipment!  Please send an email to 
maxdol...@aol.com, and our buyer will be in touch with you shortly. 
  

We look forward to seeing you there! 

 
 
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RE: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread John Coyle
Film canister technology seemed to change at some time: when I first started 
using bulk film (about
1971) even Kodak cartridges could be easily split apart and re-used.  Then some 
time later, it
became impossible to get the end off without damaging it, so I kept using some 
rather battered
looking older canisters - just found I still have one, FP4,  loaded with blank 
processed film to
test or demonstrate film loading in a camera! 
My technique in those days was to use a knife blade to pop the end off, seemed 
to be less damaging
than pliers or grips.

HTH


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On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both 
 parents ...

Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use 
commercial film
canisters?  I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I 
just developed 2 rolls
of Pro-Max 100.  
Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just 
my fingers, no can
opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, 
center spool and
ends back together. 
Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual 
canister?  I don't
think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem 
to be held on tight
and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, 
like UltraFine and
Adox etc...

If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the 
$1.75 per roll I paid
for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal.

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 01:42:48PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Those Flickr bits aren't exactly new, just rearranged a bit.
 
 To get to View-all-sizes:
 
- get out of Lightbox by clicking the X in upper-right corner;
- click on the ellipses (...) icon in the lower-right corner;
- select View all sizes choice;
- click on Original to see the largest version.

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 09:01:28AM -0400, Zos Xavius wrote:
 Nice pano! You use a K110D? Interesting. What do you think of the
 100-300? I hear its not all that great.

Look at the full-size version of the panorama.
If the EXIF data can be believed, the exposure was made at 1/3200,
so there shouldn't be any real problems with camera shake.

I think you can begin to see the limitations of the lens there. But
it will cost you a fair chunk of change to get anything much sharper.
I eventually succumbed, and managed to get myself a good used copy
of the FA* 80-200/f2.8 (which is a whole lot heavier to carry around
all day). But until then I managed to get some pretty good shots with
the 100-300, especially if I didn't push it all the way to 300mm.

Of course, if you can get hold of either the DA* 50-135 or DA* 60-250
they'll out-perform the 100-300 at 113mm, too. But they're not cheap!



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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread John Francis

Getting out to Africa to photograph the wildlife has been
on my bucket list for the last 30 years, and this image just
reinforces that desire.

Great shot!

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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread Bong Manayon
Hi Mark,

Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters
only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader
on my bookshelf.  I have an extra 100' in the freezer though.

Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out,
but here is a not so well known alternative film:

http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html

Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford.  How  why its
cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+
(a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4).  It
takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have
tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal.

Bong

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and
 bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm
 sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing...
 Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting
 the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or
 is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session?
 Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to
 use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK
 to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would
 be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once?

 TIA -

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Re: ELLIE PANO

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 01:42:48PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote:
  Those Flickr bits aren't exactly new, just rearranged a bit.
 
  To get to View-all-sizes:
 
 - get out of Lightbox by clicking the X in upper-right corner;
 - click on the ellipses (...) icon in the lower-right corner;
 - select View all sizes choice;
 - click on Original to see the largest version.

 Or just alternate-click to get a context menu choice.

Thanks, John. I missed that great shortcut.

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PESO Filigree

2013-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Iryna returns: http://flic.kr/p/fe7tcq

Now modelling jewelry from Lavishy, an indie Toronto designer that my
wife is writing an article about. With Gerrit's help we set up in the
shade of a gazebo in Little Malta, on the western fringes of The
Junction, closely watched by a small crowd of grizzled old Maltese
ex-pats from the cultural center across the road.

K20D, DA* 50-135mm/F2.8 @ 70mm/F4.0, 1/160th sec, ISO 200.
AF540FGZ @ 1/2 power in Westcott Apollo 28 softbox camera-right.
Lr + Ps + Nik + Portraiture.

Comments welcome.

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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
I waited too long…

Availability: Sold Out
Item #: 400061


On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote:

 http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html
 
 On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:
 On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
 labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one
 type of BW film (Plus X).
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 I wish Plus-X was still around
 
 Mark
 




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Re: Ok, why does it do that?

2013-07-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-21 11:30 Bruce Walker wrote

Some mail clients are especially stupid and break the In-Reply-To:
protocol one way or another.


indeed, i use Thunderbird and i am often torn between proper threading, and 
generous threading, which brings back in all the replies from people whose 
mailers fail to supply proper In-Reply-To or References headers


currently i'm using generous threading, which means

  View  Sort by  Date | Ascending | Threaded

plus these custom advanced settings:

  mail.strict_threading: false
  mail.thread_without_re: true

there is detailed info here:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Message_Threading

the downside is the generous setting will thread together two messages that 
happen to have the same subject (e.g. test); also, some people seem to 
hand-type their subject lines and often make small mistakes, and these will 
always be seen as separate threads





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Re: Available model photography

2013-07-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-19 9:15 Aahz Maruch wrote

One thing you didn't mention is the option of taking photos of someone
doing an activity.  (Although this is far from guaranteed to work, I took
a really nice photo of my mom cooking and she hated it because it made
her look angry, so I deleted it.)


an old boss of mine had had a professional career doing environmental 
portraits, and was at times quite good at it; since we were working in 
environmental journalism, at first i didn't quite get what an environmental 
portrait should be; of course it is a portrait of a person in their 
environment, and it opens up tremendous possibilities for illustrating who a 
person is


while i'm not much of a portraitist, i do feel like shooting environmental 
portraits can help cut through the awkwardness


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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread pdml-mark
I think Plus X was discontinued some time ago - I got a few rolls o 120 
and 10 pack of 24 exposure 35mm when it was disconitnued,  which I still 
have. Istumbled into a pro pack of 120 on ebay at a good price recently. 
I really liked that film. These days I am using Arista Edu 100. I bought 
some Pro Max which I believe is rebranded Lucky 100 - OK but not so 
great. Want to give Kentmere 100 a try.


Mark


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:


I waited too long…

Availability: Sold Out
Item #: 400061


On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote:



http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html

On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive
labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded 
one

type of BW film (Plus X).

Jeffery



I wish Plus-X was still around

Mark







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Re: Bulk Film Loading

2013-07-21 Thread pdml-mark
Yeah - I'm enjoying Kentmere 400 a lot. I need to try the ISO 100 
product. I never cared much for HP 5 or FP 4 - they were technically 
fine but I just never got excited about them. I like the Kentmere 400 
because it is more grainy and has more character. I actually ordered a 
100' roll of the Kentmere 400 with the bulk loader.


Mark


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote:


Hi Mark,

Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters
only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader
on my bookshelf.  I have an extra 100' in the freezer though.

Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out,
but here is a not so well known alternative film:

http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html

Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford.  How  why its
cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+
(a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4).  It
takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have
tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal.

Bong

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke 
down and
bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable 
canisters. I'm

sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing...
Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just 
putting
the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as 
needed, or
is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one 
session?
Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or 
two to
use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is 
it OK
to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll 
would

be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once?

TIA -

Mark

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Re: PESO - Dinan Basilica

2013-07-21 Thread Kenneth Waller
well done composition and execution.

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From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
Subject: PESO - Dinan Basilica

Another photo from the Dinan Basilica in Brittany.  The arches and the mixed 
lighting attracted me:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17464297

Or, more simply,

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17464297-lg.jpg

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments appreciated!

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