Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:41:17PM +, Bob W wrote:
 In Penny Lane there is a barber showing photographs of every head he's had
 the pleasure to know...

To have known, I believe.

(I can't remember where I put my car keys, but 50-year-old lyrics? No problem!)


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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 11 Feb 2014, at 08:02, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
 
 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:41:17PM +, Bob W wrote:
 In Penny Lane there is a barber showing photographs of every head he's had
 the pleasure to know...
 
 To have known, I believe.
 
 (I can't remember where I put my car keys, but 50-year-old lyrics? No 
 problem!)
 

The internet will do both for us now. As long as you can remember where your 
computer is.

B
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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/10/rant-wedding-photographer-wants-buy-
good-wedding-shots-pad-portfolio/ 


 http://tinyurl.com/mrwmz4f

HIlarious.

Professional integrity rating of zero.

Pity his would-be clients won't know this

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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote:

 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/10/rant-wedding-photographer-wants-buy-
good-wedding-shots-pad-portfolio/ 

 http://tinyurl.com/mrwmz4f

HIlarious.

Professional integrity rating of zero.

Pity his would-be clients won't know this

I'm almost tempted to steal some photos from wedding photographers'
web sites and sell them to him. ;-)

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried this.
When you publicly advertise your lack of ethics you have to expect
you'll attract similar kinds of people.
 
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Re: PESO - Two Swans and Geese

2014-02-11 Thread Jack Davis


Interesting pattern of geese and ducks on the ice. Believe I'd clone out the 
lower right dark area, and the couple other spots, to further isolate the 
birds. Perhaps a slight bottom crop as well?
Love this.

Jack




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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:02 PM
Subject: PESO - Two Swans and Geese

Hunkering down on lake ice during a snowfall. The ice goes out quite a ways, 
you can barely see open water way off near the horizon:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2014/02/two-swans-and-some-geese.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 11/2/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'm almost tempted to steal some photos from wedding photographers'
web sites and sell them to him. ;-)

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried this.
When you publicly advertise your lack of ethics you have to expect
you'll attract similar kinds of people.

Shall we start with these?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/192071/40-of-the-worst-wedding-
photographs-youll-ever-see/

http://tinyurl.com/co9ss8g

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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote:

 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/10/rant-wedding-photographer-wants-buy-
good-wedding-shots-pad-portfolio/ 

 http://tinyurl.com/mrwmz4f

HIlarious.

By the way, unless the bride  groom in the photos used in this
transaction have signed a model release allowing the original
photographer to license the images for commercial use... I foresee
some painful meetings with lawyers in the future for both buyer and
seller. :)

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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread P.J. Alling
I don't know, I don't think they're bad photographs, not anything you'd 
want in your wedding album, but not bad exactly, (OK, some of them are 
technically awful, but still amusing).


On 2/11/2014 6:35 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 11/2/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'm almost tempted to steal some photos from wedding photographers'
web sites and sell them to him. ;-)

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried this.
When you publicly advertise your lack of ethics you have to expect
you'll attract similar kinds of people.

Shall we start with these?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/192071/40-of-the-worst-wedding-
photographs-youll-ever-see/

http://tinyurl.com/co9ss8g

:-)




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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Igor Roshchin

I perfectly understand everybody's outrage from this craigslist ad.
But what if I told you that it is socially acceptable and even totally legal
(at least in the US) and it has been going for ages?

I am talking about ghost writing. If it is acceptable and is done at all
levels, including presidents and celebrities.
And the US copyright law supports it. It is called work for hire.
More over, (are you ready for this?!)
the person/entity who comissioned the work for hire becomes the AUTHOR
of that work. [*]
Look at what is known Title 17 of the US copyright law, Chapter 2,
Paragraph 201(b):
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html :

Works Made for Hire. - In the case of a work made for hire, the employer
or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author
for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly
agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the
rights comprised in the copyright.

If ghost writing is acceptable and legal, why ghost photographing is not?

So, what that chap did not do right from the point of view of the law, 
is that he/she should have asked to shoot those photos for him, for 
this specific purpose, and specifically as a work for hire.  
Then it would fully legal. And then he could claim his authorship of 
the said photographs.

-
[*] One has to be very careful with the work for hire. It has to be
specified explicitly in the contract, as there are plenty of exceptions.
E.g. unless you spell things out explicitly while hiring a photographer,
say, for your wedding shoot, the photographer retains the copyright 
(and the authorship). This is in part because it is based on customary
procedure in photography business, where unless explicitly stated otherwise, 
(examples include but not limited to cases where the photographer gets
a W-2 form) it is not a work for hire (from the copyright law point of view).


Igor


On 2/10/2014 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
 Can't be bothered taking your own photos to illustrate your commercial 
 photography business?

 No problem - just buy someone else's work.


 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/10/rant-wedding-photographer-wants-buy-good-wedding-shots-pad-portfolio/
  


 http://tinyurl.com/mrwmz4f



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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 
 I perfectly understand everybody's outrage from this craigslist ad.
 But what if I told you that it is socially acceptable and even totally legal
 (at least in the US) and it has been going for ages?

And this all makes sense, for example, in the case where I hire two assistants 
to help me shoot a wedding. Not just with lighting, etc. but actual shooting. 
Those are my photos, the assistants are doing work for hire. As a good boss I 
could let them use their shots in their personal portfolio, but I don’t need to.

The craigslist example, though, is off in another dimension. The guy wants to 
buy existing stuff and pawn it off as his own. It might be legal in a copyright 
case but it is fraudulent, deceptive, slimy, inappropriate behavior as far as I 
am concerned.

stan

 
 I am talking about ghost writing. If it is acceptable and is done at all
 levels, including presidents and celebrities.
 And the US copyright law supports it. It is called work for hire.
 More over, (are you ready for this?!)
 the person/entity who comissioned the work for hire becomes the AUTHOR
 of that work. [*]
 Look at what is known Title 17 of the US copyright law, Chapter 2,
 Paragraph 201(b):
 http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html :
 
 Works Made for Hire. - In the case of a work made for hire, the employer
 or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author
 for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly
 agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the
 rights comprised in the copyright.
 
 If ghost writing is acceptable and legal, why ghost photographing is not?
 
 So, what that chap did not do right from the point of view of the law, 
 is that he/she should have asked to shoot those photos for him, for 
 this specific purpose, and specifically as a work for hire.  
 Then it would fully legal. And then he could claim his authorship of 
 the said photographs.
 
 -
 [*] One has to be very careful with the work for hire. It has to be
 specified explicitly in the contract, as there are plenty of exceptions.
 E.g. unless you spell things out explicitly while hiring a photographer,
 say, for your wedding shoot, the photographer retains the copyright 
 (and the authorship). This is in part because it is based on customary
 procedure in photography business, where unless explicitly stated otherwise, 
 (examples include but not limited to cases where the photographer gets
 a W-2 form) it is not a work for hire (from the copyright law point of view).
 
 
 Igor
 
 
 On 2/10/2014 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
 Can't be bothered taking your own photos to illustrate your commercial 
 photography business?
 
 No problem - just buy someone else's work.
 
 
 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/10/rant-wedding-photographer-wants-buy-good-wedding-shots-pad-portfolio/
  
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/mrwmz4f
 
 
 
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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 
 I perfectly understand everybody's outrage from this craigslist ad.
 But what if I told you that it is socially acceptable and even totally legal
 (at least in the US) and it has been going for ages?

And this all makes sense, for example, in the case where I hire two assistants 
to help me shoot a wedding. Not just with lighting, etc. but actual shooting. 
Those are my photos, the assistants are doing work for hire. As a good boss I 
could let them use their shots in their personal portfolio, but I don’t need 
to.

The craigslist example, though, is off in another dimension. The guy wants to 
buy existing stuff and pawn it off as his own. It might be legal in a 
copyright 
case but it is fraudulent, deceptive, slimy, inappropriate behavior as far as 
I 
am concerned.

And, as I pointed out earlier, he's completely screwed from the
standpoint of model releases.


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Re: PESO: House on Wheels

2014-02-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
They've been doing it for a while.
We saw houses in Canada that had been moved there from the USA,
during/after the the US's revolutionary war.
Just move up the coast of Maine some...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 Didn't know your house was damaged. Do they build new foundations  then
 wheel the house into position or wheel the house out of the way before
 repairing the existing foundations? Moving wooden houses to new locations is
 not entirely fanciful - I remember a shot of a whole house on a big low-bed
 being moved to a new location in the USA.

 Alan C

 -Original Message- From: David Mann
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:20 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: PESO: House on Wheels

 A cellphone snapshot on my way home from the pool.  This house is on the
 corner at the end of our street and I've been watching with interest as they
 jack it up to repair the earthquake-damaged foundations.  Today I was
 passing it on its other side and saw wheels.

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/750/#peso

 They're just getting started with the repairs to our house - we moved into a
 rental house the other day.  A stressful and exhausting process even though
 most of our possessions have been packed and moved into storage.  Our
 repairs are due to take about 5 weeks, then we get to move back.  The upside
 is that our house is completely empty so we get to have a good cleanout and
 maybe rearrange a bit.

 This is our first experience using a moving company to do all of our packing
 and it's been really good.  What's even better is that it's all being paid
 for by insurance :)  If I'd had my way I'd have told them to take everything
 to Wanaka but reality had something else to say.

 Cheers,
 Dave


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History - The Rise of Pentax

2014-02-11 Thread John

I'm the only Pentax shooter in my local photography group  someone
brought it to my attention that the January 2014 issue of Photography
Monthly (UK magazine) has a 6 page article on Pentax. Starts with Asahi
Optical Joint Stock Company of 1919 and continues through
www.ricoh-imaging.co.uk.


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Re: Sigma OS lenses

2014-02-11 Thread John

On 2/10/2014 4:39 PM, CollinB wrote:

Anyone here shooting them?  I  looking at the 70-300 and 150-500.  Nice.  No 
screw AF.



Do the Sigma OS lenses have in lens OS in their Pentax or Sony (Minolta) 
mount versions?


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Re: testing

2014-02-11 Thread John

On 2/10/2014 10:17 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

1 2 3


 ... four
Can I have a little more?

five six seven eight nine ten
I love you

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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread John

On 2/11/2014 11:05 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:


On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:



I perfectly understand everybody's outrage from this craigslist ad.
But what if I told you that it is socially acceptable and even totally legal
(at least in the US) and it has been going for ages?


And this all makes sense, for example, in the case where I hire two assistants
to help me shoot a wedding. Not just with lighting, etc. but actual shooting.
Those are my photos, the assistants are doing work for hire. As a good boss I
could let them use their shots in their personal portfolio, but I don’t need to.

The craigslist example, though, is off in another dimension. The guy wants to
buy existing stuff and pawn it off as his own. It might be legal in a copyright
case but it is fraudulent, deceptive, slimy, inappropriate behavior as far as I
am concerned.


And, as I pointed out earlier, he's completely screwed from the
standpoint of model releases.




Just out of curiosity, what would be the legal ramifications if instead
of buying photos, he went and found an established photographer who
would let him be a second shooter on some weddings ... a photographer
who would permit him to use the images for his portfolio?

I guess I'll have to talk to some of the local photographers I know
through PPNC and see if they'd allow it.

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Re: PESO: House on Wheels

2014-02-11 Thread John

From the rig you can see in the photo it looks like they're preparing to
move the house off to one side while they build a new foundation. Once
they've built a new (hopefully earthquake resistant) foundation, they'll
return the house to its former location and lower it back into place.


On 2/10/2014 11:33 PM, Alan C wrote:

Didn't know your house was damaged. Do they build new foundations  then
wheel the house into position or wheel the house out of the way before
repairing the existing foundations? Moving wooden houses to new
locations is not entirely fanciful - I remember a shot of a whole house
on a big low-bed being moved to a new location in the USA.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: David Mann
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:20 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: House on Wheels

A cellphone snapshot on my way home from the pool.  This house is on the
corner at the end of our street and I've been watching with interest as
they jack it up to repair the earthquake-damaged foundations.  Today I
was passing it on its other side and saw wheels.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/750/#peso

They're just getting started with the repairs to our house - we moved
into a rental house the other day.  A stressful and exhausting process
even though most of our possessions have been packed and moved into
storage.  Our repairs are due to take about 5 weeks, then we get to move
back.  The upside is that our house is completely empty so we get to
have a good cleanout and maybe rearrange a bit.

This is our first experience using a moving company to do all of our
packing and it's been really good.  What's even better is that it's all
being paid for by insurance :)  If I'd had my way I'd have told them to
take everything to Wanaka but reality had something else to say.

Cheers,
Dave




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Would you find THIS acceptable? - (Was -- OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio)

2014-02-11 Thread Igor Roshchin


Tue Feb 11 11:05:15 EST 2014
Mark Roberts wrote:

 Stanley Halpin stan at stans-photography.info wrote:
 
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote:
 
  
  I perfectly understand everybody's outrage from this craigslist ad.
  But what if I told you that it is socially acceptable and even
  totally legal
  (at least in the US) and it has been going for ages?
 
 And this all makes sense, for example, in the case where I hire two
 assistants 
 to help me shoot a wedding. Not just with lighting, etc. but actual
 shooting. 
 Those are my photos, the assistants are doing work for hire. As a good
 boss I 
 could let them use their shots in their personal portfolio, but I don.t
 need to.
 
 The craigslist example, though, is off in another dimension. The guy
 wants to 
 buy existing stuff and pawn it off as his own. It might be legal in a
 copyright 
 case but it is fraudulent, deceptive, slimy, inappropriate behavior as
 far as I 
 am concerned.

Stan, as I pointed out, it would NOT actually be legal the way it was
intended in the ad.

Essentially, the concern I raised can be expressed in the following
question (more academic in nature):
1. If the guy did it correctly, in a legal way
(i.e. hired somebody to do produce great shots for him [wedding or not - 
does it matter - as it  can be even done with the staged model wedding 
or just a regular wedding, as long it is done correctly from the legal 
point of view]),
would it be acceptable to display those photos in his business portfolio?

And a variation of that, based on your [Stan] example:
2. Do you feel OK to put shots produced by your hired assistants into YOUR
business portfolio?

If the answers for 1. and 2. are different, then
3. What is the difference between the situation described in 1. and 2.
above?

I would be very interested to hear what different PDMLers think about
this type of situation.



 
 And, as I pointed out earlier, he's completely screwed from the
 standpoint of model releases.
 

Mark, that's a good point. However, it is hypothetical at this point 
(even though this is something that would be likely, as the photographer
does not seem to be very scrupulous).
In principle, if the seller is scrupluous and had obtained the model 
releases for his own needs (especially if it was on a basis similar to 
TFP) then that part wouldn't be a problem.

Igor



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Re: Sigma OS lenses

2014-02-11 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 2/10/2014 4:39 PM, CollinB wrote:
 Anyone here shooting them?  I  looking at the 70-300 and 150-500.  Nice.  No 
 screw AF.
 
 
 Do the Sigma OS lenses have in lens OS in their Pentax or Sony (Minolta) 
 mount versions?
 

The 150-500 Pentax mount has their OS built in. I’ve used it both ways - Pentax 
IS off + Sigma OS on, or Pentax IS on + Sigma OS off. The in-the-lens OS 
definitely helps when trying to frame  focus on a small distant object .

stan


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Re: Sigma OS lenses

2014-02-11 Thread Stanley Halpin
Sorry - momentary brain cramp. Of course I meant Pentax SR, not Pentax IS.

stan

On Feb 11, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 
 On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:31 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 On 2/10/2014 4:39 PM, CollinB wrote:
 Anyone here shooting them?  I  looking at the 70-300 and 150-500.  Nice.  
 No screw AF.
 
 
 Do the Sigma OS lenses have in lens OS in their Pentax or Sony (Minolta) 
 mount versions?
 
 
 The 150-500 Pentax mount has their OS built in. I’ve used it both ways - 
 Pentax IS off + Sigma OS on, or Pentax IS on + Sigma OS off. The in-the-lens 
 OS definitely helps when trying to frame  focus on a small distant object .
 
 stan
 


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Re: PESO: House on Wheels

2014-02-11 Thread David Mann

On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:33 pm, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 Didn't know your house was damaged.

Yes it did sustain some damage but apart from the chimneys being destroyed the 
damage was superficial with just some cracking in the foundation and interior 
plasterboard.  Even so it's about 5 weeks of work.  A friend of mine is moving 
out soon for about 3 months.

The worst for me was some cracking in the garage that was causing water to seep 
in when it rains.  I'm sick of mopping it up so getting that repaired will be 
nice.  Being able to move the shelving back into place means we might be able 
to get the car in again.  We have a double garage at the rental house and it's 
bliss!

We've been paid out for our driveway which suffered some minor separation 
between the slabs of concrete so we'll get that done when we get around to it.  
Our side of town came out pretty well.  The street where my mother lives is a 
bit of a mess.

 Do they build new foundations  then wheel the house into position or wheel 
 the house out of the way before repairing the existing foundations?

It looks like they're going to move it out of the way before repairing the 
existing foundations as I didn't see new ones.

 Moving wooden houses to new locations is not entirely fanciful - I remember a 
 shot of a whole house on a big low-bed being moved to a new location in the 
 USA.

I bought my dad a book for Xmas about the history of heavy road transport in NZ 
with quite a few stories about moving buildings. Also lots of interesting stuff 
about moving heavy things for industry, eg boilers, wind turbine parts, 
electrical transformers etc.  Sometimes they'll cut a house into two pieces if 
there will be obstructions on the route.

We saw a house being towed towards the Lindis Pass on our way back from Wanaka 
a few weeks ago... we see this kind of thing every now and then while 
travelling.  Often loads have to be raised up to clear the sides of bridges.
http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/751/#peso

There have been cases of people transporting good houses from red-zoned land to 
a new section but it's not as common as it should be.  Pretty much all the new 
subdivisions come with conditions that only allow a new build so the houses are 
being moved out of the city.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/6783069/Company-buys-up-red-zone-houses-for-removal

Cheers,
Dave


 Alan C
 
 -Original Message- From: David Mann
 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:20 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: PESO: House on Wheels
 
 A cellphone snapshot on my way home from the pool.  This house is on the 
 corner at the end of our street and I've been watching with interest as they 
 jack it up to repair the earthquake-damaged foundations.  Today I was passing 
 it on its other side and saw wheels.
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/750/#peso
 
 They're just getting started with the repairs to our house - we moved into a 
 rental house the other day.  A stressful and exhausting process even though 
 most of our possessions have been packed and moved into storage.  Our repairs 
 are due to take about 5 weeks, then we get to move back.  The upside is that 
 our house is completely empty so we get to have a good cleanout and maybe 
 rearrange a bit.
 
 This is our first experience using a moving company to do all of our packing 
 and it's been really good.  What's even better is that it's all being paid 
 for by insurance :)  If I'd had my way I'd have told them to take everything 
 to Wanaka but reality had something else to say.
 
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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Igor Roshchin

Cotty, some of those are funny, but I am with P.J. on this.
The blog author (Conan O'Brien wannabe) is just showing himself as 
a smart S.

Igor


Tue Feb 11 10:26:38 EST 2014
P.J. Alling wrote:

I don't know, I don't think they're bad photographs, not anything you'd 
want in your wedding album, but not bad exactly, (OK, some of them are 
technically awful, but still amusing).

On 2/11/2014 6:35 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
 On 11/2/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I'm almost tempted to steal some photos from wedding photographers'
 web sites and sell them to him. ;-)

 Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried this.
 When you publicly advertise your lack of ethics you have to expect
 you'll attract similar kinds of people.
 Shall we start with these?

 http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/192071/40-of-the-worst-wedding-photographs-youll-ever-see/

 http://tinyurl.com/co9ss8g

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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what would be the legal ramifications if instead
of buying photos, he went and found an established photographer who
would let him be a second shooter on some weddings ... a photographer
who would permit him to use the images for his portfolio?

I guess I'll have to talk to some of the local photographers I know
through PPNC and see if they'd allow it.

He'd have to have an agreement with the photographer he was shooting
with *and* the people in the photos. Most wedding photo contracts
permit the photographer to use the photos for his own publicity, web
site, etc. The client would have to also agree to let the second
shooter do the same.

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Re: Would you find THIS acceptable? - (Was -- OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio)

2014-02-11 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Feb 11, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 
 ...
 Essentially, the concern I raised can be expressed in the following
 question (more academic in nature):
 1. If the guy did it correctly, in a legal way
 (i.e. hired somebody to do produce great shots for him [wedding or not - 
 does it matter - as it  can be even done with the staged model wedding 
 or just a regular wedding, as long it is done correctly from the legal 
 point of view]),
 would it be acceptable to display those photos in his business portfolio?

Yes. I think a legitimate business model would be for me to hustle business at 
wedding shows, then to hand off the actual shooting to competent photographers. 
What my employees or contractors produce for me is mine to claim, to sell, and 
to show to potential clients as examples of the work I can produce for them.
 
 And a variation of that, based on your [Stan] example:
 2. Do you feel OK to put shots produced by your hired assistants into YOUR
 business portfolio?

Yes, same answer. In my business model my reputation is based on the quality of 
the work my studio produces, whether I actually push the shutter button or not. 
At some point purists may quibble about whether a work is by Michelangelo or 
from one of his assistants working under his supervision. If Mike is willing to 
have put his name to the work, that is good enough for me.

stan

 
 If the answers for 1. and 2. are different, then
 3. What is the difference between the situation described in 1. and 2.
 above?
 
 I would be very interested to hear what different PDMLers think about
 this type of situation.
 
 
 
 
 And, as I pointed out earlier, he's completely screwed from the
 standpoint of model releases.
 
 
 Mark, that's a good point. However, it is hypothetical at this point 
 (even though this is something that would be likely, as the photographer
 does not seem to be very scrupulous).
 In principle, if the seller is scrupluous and had obtained the model 
 releases for his own needs (especially if it was on a basis similar to 
 TFP) then that part wouldn't be a problem.
 
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Re: PESO - Two Swans and Geese

2014-02-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like that image;  simple and effective.  The empty space in the
lower left creates a feeling of isolation and loneliness that helps
the coldness of the scene.
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:02 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hunkering down on lake ice during a snowfall. The ice goes out quite a ways, 
 you can barely see open water way off near the horizon:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2014/02/two-swans-and-some-geese.html?m=1

 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO Lanterns and Landscape

2014-02-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Quite a nice image.

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 I’m intrigued by the idea that the out of focus background elements can 
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 This image attempts that to some small degree.

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Re: PESO - Is It Spring Yet?

2014-02-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The birds stand out nicely from the snowy background, creating an
almost 3-D effect.  Nice image again, Frank.

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 It's been a long winter for these critters:

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Stop Presses! Sigma announces lens for Pentax mount

2014-02-11 Thread Miserere

The 30mm f/1. 4: 

http://photorumors.com/2014/02/10/sigma-announced-30mm-f1-4-dc-hsm-lens-for-pentax-and-sony-cameras/

Is it me our has it been a while since any 3rd party lenses came out in K 
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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a
match for the Phantom.  I know;  that used to be my job.

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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Thanks Dan - but see my response to Chris!

 John Coyle
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 Great shot!

 This, however, if what a REAL airplane looks like G:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10368188

 Dan Matyola
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 On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:00 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Sorry for the delay, had to dig out the relevant slides and find a film 
 scanner to scan slides!
 A shot taken at Biggin Hill or Farnborough in probably the early
 sixties, when the Canadian Air Force display team was showing off during the 
 annual air show.

 http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~jco...@iinet.net.au/F104.html

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Re: PESO - Dream when you are feeling blue

2014-02-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice fish, nice colors.

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On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On 2/4/2014 2:08 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


 It might look fishy, but that's how blues maY feel (or look):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/aquarium-2014/_IR09860.html

 Comments are welcome.

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Re: Would you find THIS acceptable? - (Was -- OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio)

2014-02-11 Thread Paul Sorenson

Interspersed...

On Feb 11, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 ...
 Essentially, the concern I raised can be expressed in the following
 question (more academic in nature):
 1. If the guy did it correctly, in a legal way
 (i.e. hired somebody to do produce great shots for him [wedding or not -
 does it matter - as it  can be even done with the staged model wedding
 or just a regular wedding, as long it is done correctly from the legal
 point of view]),
 would it be acceptable to display those photos in his business portfolio?

Yes. I think a legitimate business model would be for me to hustle 
business at wedding shows, then to hand off the actual shooting to 
competent photographers. What my employees or contractors produce for me 
is mine to claim, to sell, and to show to potential clients as examples 
of the work I can produce for them.


*While I agree a legitimate business model would be for the studio to 
drum up the business, then hire shooters and promote the results as an 
example of what the studio produces for its customers, this raises the 
copyright issue again.  If the shooters are employees, who have W-4s and 
I-9s in file and get legitimate W-2s at the end of the year, then the 
employer owns the resulting copyright.*


*If, however, the shooters are contractors who receive 1099s at the end 
of the year, they are considered work-for-hire and thus can claim 
copyright for their images.  The studio would need to have very specific 
contract language with the shooters as to who owns and has the ultimate 
use of the images produced as work-for-hire.*


-p



 And a variation of that, based on your [Stan] example:
 2. Do you feel OK to put shots produced by your hired assistants into 
YOUR

 business portfolio?

Yes, same answer. In my business model my reputation is based on the 
quality of the work my studio produces, whether I actually push the 
shutter button or not. At some point purists may quibble about whether a 
work is by Michelangelo or from one of his assistants working under his 
supervision. If Mike is willing to have put his name to the work, that 
is good enough for me.


stan


 If the answers for 1. and 2. are different, then
 3. What is the difference between the situation described in 1. and 2.
 above?

 I would be very interested to hear what different PDMLers think about
 this type of situation.




 And, as I pointed out earlier, he's completely screwed from the
 standpoint of model releases.


 Mark, that's a good point. However, it is hypothetical at this point
 (even though this is something that would be likely, as the photographer
 does not seem to be very scrupulous).
 In principle, if the seller is scrupluous and had obtained the model
 releases for his own needs (especially if it was on a basis similar to
 TFP) then that part wouldn't be a problem.

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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 11 Feb 2014, at 14:20, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Steve Cottrell wrote:
 
 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/10/rant-wedding-photographer-wants-buy-
 good-wedding-shots-pad-portfolio/ 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/mrwmz4f
 
 HIlarious.
 
 By the way, unless the bride  groom in the photos used in this
 transaction have signed a model release allowing the original
 photographer to license the images for commercial use... I foresee
 some painful meetings with lawyers in the future for both buyer and
 seller. :)
 

That should help the bride  groom pay for the divorce. In fact, to save a lot 
of hassle they should let the guy show the photos, split amicably and just have 
the lawyers transfer money around between themselves.

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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-11 Thread Paul Sorenson

Especially after they installed guns in the Phantoms...

-p

On 2/11/2014 1:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a
match for the Phantom.  I know;  that used to be my job.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Thanks Dan - but see my response to Chris!

John Coyle
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Great shot!

This, however, if what a REAL airplane looks like G:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10368188

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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:00 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Sorry for the delay, had to dig out the relevant slides and find a film scanner 
to scan slides!
A shot taken at Biggin Hill or Farnborough in probably the early
sixties, when the Canadian Air Force display team was showing off during the 
annual air show.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~jco...@iinet.net.au/F104.html

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Re: PESO Lanterns and Landscape

2014-02-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Alan. I don’t think it’s an illusion, just an experiment in defining the 
main subject. You’re right that the bottom of the tree mimics the shape of the 
lamp bracket. Can’t take credit for that, it was a fortunate accident. 

Paul
On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 Yes, very intriguing. The illusion is created by the way the shape of the 
 bottom part of the tree fits the shape of the lamp bracket.
 
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 I’m intrigued by the idea that the out of focus background elements can 
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 This image attempts that to some small degree.
 
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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-11 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a
 match for the Phantom.  I know;  that used to be my job.

Your job was to shoot down Vulcans and F-104’s? I know the Marines consider 
themselves a service apart, but this seems to take that notion too far!

stan

 
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 On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Thanks Dan - but see my response to Chris!
 
 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia
 
 
 
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 Sent: Saturday, 8 February 2014 6:31 PM
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 Subject: Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!
 
 Great shot!
 
 This, however, if what a REAL airplane looks like G:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10368188
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:00 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Sorry for the delay, had to dig out the relevant slides and find a film 
 scanner to scan slides!
 A shot taken at Biggin Hill or Farnborough in probably the early
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 the annual air show.
 
 http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~jco...@iinet.net.au/F104.html
 
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Re: Stop Presses! Sigma announces lens for Pentax mount

2014-02-11 Thread John
Must be an updated version. I already have a Sigma 30mm f/1.4. It's a 
very nice lens.


On 2/11/2014 11:04 AM, Miserere wrote:


The 30mm f/1. 4:

http://photorumors.com/2014/02/10/sigma-announced-30mm-f1-4-dc-hsm-lens-for-pentax-and-sony-cameras/

Is it me our has it been a while since any 3rd party lenses came out in K mount?

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Re: PESO: House on Wheels

2014-02-11 Thread John

My brother had his house moved. He had a large lot (3 - 4 acres) out
away from the city that was in the middle of some land a developer
wanted to buy up to build a gated community golf development. My brother
had bought it because it was dirt cheap out in the middle of nowhere 
the growth in the triangle area of NC was going in other directions.

He held out until the bitter end before selling  the developer told him
he could have 30 days to remove the house. All they wanted was the land.

On 2/11/2014 1:26 PM, David Mann wrote:


On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:33 pm, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:


Didn't know your house was damaged.


Yes it did sustain some damage but apart from the chimneys being
destroyed the damage was superficial with just some cracking in the
foundation and interior plasterboard.  Even so it's about 5 weeks of
work.  A friend of mine is moving out soon for about 3 months.

The worst for me was some cracking in the garage that was causing
water to seep in when it rains.  I'm sick of mopping it up so getting
that repaired will be nice.  Being able to move the shelving back
into place means we might be able to get the car in again.  We have a
double garage at the rental house and it's bliss!

We've been paid out for our driveway which suffered some minor
separation between the slabs of concrete so we'll get that done when
we get around to it.  Our side of town came out pretty well.  The
street where my mother lives is a bit of a mess.


Do they build new foundations  then wheel the house into position
or wheel the house out of the way before repairing the existing
foundations?


It looks like they're going to move it out of the way before
repairing the existing foundations as I didn't see new ones.


Moving wooden houses to new locations is not entirely fanciful - I
remember a shot of a whole house on a big low-bed being moved to a
new location in the USA.


I bought my dad a book for Xmas about the history of heavy road
transport in NZ with quite a few stories about moving buildings. Also
lots of interesting stuff about moving heavy things for industry, eg
boilers, wind turbine parts, electrical transformers etc.  Sometimes
they'll cut a house into two pieces if there will be obstructions on
the route.

We saw a house being towed towards the Lindis Pass on our way back
from Wanaka a few weeks ago... we see this kind of thing every now
and then while travelling.  Often loads have to be raised up to clear
the sides of bridges. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/751/#peso

There have been cases of people transporting good houses from
red-zoned land to a new section but it's not as common as it should
be.  Pretty much all the new subdivisions come with conditions that
only allow a new build so the houses are being moved out of the
city.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/6783069/Company-buys-up-red-zone-houses-for-removal

 Cheers, Dave



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-Original Message- From: David Mann Sent: Tuesday, February
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A cellphone snapshot on my way home from the pool.  This house is
on the corner at the end of our street and I've been watching with
interest as they jack it up to repair the earthquake-damaged
foundations.  Today I was passing it on its other side and saw
wheels.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/750/#peso

They're just getting started with the repairs to our house - we
moved into a rental house the other day.  A stressful and
exhausting process even though most of our possessions have been
packed and moved into storage.  Our repairs are due to take about 5
weeks, then we get to move back.  The upside is that our house is
completely empty so we get to have a good cleanout and maybe
rearrange a bit.

This is our first experience using a moving company to do all of
our packing and it's been really good.  What's even better is that
it's all being paid for by insurance :)  If I'd had my way I'd have
told them to take everything to Wanaka but reality had something
else to say.

Cheers, Dave


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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread John

Or half.

On 2/11/2014 1:33 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


Cotty, some of those are funny, but I am with P.J. on this.
The blog author (Conan O'Brien wannabe) is just showing himself as
a smart S.

Igor


Tue Feb 11 10:26:38 EST 2014
P.J. Alling wrote:

I don't know, I don't think they're bad photographs, not anything you'd
want in your wedding album, but not bad exactly, (OK, some of them are
technically awful, but still amusing).

On 2/11/2014 6:35 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 11/2/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'm almost tempted to steal some photos from wedding photographers'
web sites and sell them to him. ;-)

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried this.
When you publicly advertise your lack of ethics you have to expect
you'll attract similar kinds of people.

Shall we start with these?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/192071/40-of-the-worst-wedding-photographs-youll-ever-see/

http://tinyurl.com/co9ss8g

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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I was an airborne radar intercept officer.  I was trained to use
Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles in air-to-air combat.  While I never
was sent up against a Vulcan, I know enough about it to say that it
would be a fairly easy target, big and slow.  The 104 would be a bit
harder, but since it had a turning radius bigger that the orbit of
Mars, not difficult to outmaneuver.  We had radar controlled missiles
to fire head-on from 3 to 10 miles away, and heat-guided missiles to
fire from .5 to 1.5 miles behind another aircraft.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Stanley Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a
 match for the Phantom.  I know;  that used to be my job.

 Your job was to shoot down Vulcans and F-104’s? I know the Marines consider 
 themselves a service apart, but this seems to take that notion too far!

 stan


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 On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Thanks Dan - but see my response to Chris!

 John Coyle
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 Great shot!

 This, however, if what a REAL airplane looks like G:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10368188

 Dan Matyola
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 Sorry for the delay, had to dig out the relevant slides and find a film 
 scanner to scan slides!
 A shot taken at Biggin Hill or Farnborough in probably the early
 sixties, when the Canadian Air Force display team was showing off during 
 the annual air show.

 http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~jco...@iinet.net.au/F104.html

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Re: Sigma OS lenses

2014-02-11 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Collin,

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:39:37 -0500 CollinB wrote:

Anyone here shooting them?  I  looking at the 70-300 and 150-500.  Nice.  No 
screw AF.

I have been using using the 50-500mm for well over a year now.
Unlike Rob (Studdert that is :) mine seems to perform fairly well at 500mm, 
wich is where I use it most.

I prefer to use the in-lens stabilization over the in-body, since that gives 
you uch better feedsback, 
the image in the viewfinder is stabilized too, and you usually 'see' it locking 
in ...

Have used it exclusively with the K5 (sold now), still to be tested/used on the 
new K3

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Hnager one update

2014-02-11 Thread Larry Colen
Article in today's murky news
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Re: Stop Presses! Sigma announces lens for Pentax mount

2014-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi John, yes it is, it's referring to the new Art series lens.



On 12 February 2014 07:22, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Must be an updated version. I already have a Sigma 30mm f/1.4. It's a very
 nice lens.


 On 2/11/2014 11:04 AM, Miserere wrote:


 The 30mm f/1. 4:


 http://photorumors.com/2014/02/10/sigma-announced-30mm-f1-4-dc-hsm-lens-for-pentax-and-sony-cameras/

 Is it me our has it been a while since any 3rd party lenses came out in K
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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Stanley Halpin wrote:

On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a
 match for the Phantom.  I know;  that used to be my job.

Your job was to shoot down Vulcans and F-104’s? I know the Marines consider 
themselves a service apart, but this seems to take that notion too far!

The wreckage of those shot-down Vulcans and F-104s is what's really
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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 11/2/14, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed:


Cotty, some of those are funny, but I am with P.J. on this.
The blog author (Conan O'Brien wannabe) is just showing himself as 
a smart S.

The words 'comic' and 'effect' spring  to mind here ;-)

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When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread Bill
When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat 
over $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries 
that never worked right.

I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for my 
istD kit.


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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread J.C. O'Connell
When I bought my *istDS in late 2006 I got body only for only $360 new 
in box.

Seems like early adopters really got soaked thru Pentax.

On 2/11/2014 7:39 PM, Bill wrote:
When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat 
over $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries 
that never worked right.

I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for 
my istD kit.


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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread Bruce Walker
Combination of very mature technology and outsourcing to Asian
sweatshops I guess.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat over
 $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries that never
 worked right.
 I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

 The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for my
 istD kit.

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread Larry Colen

On Feb 11, 2014, at 4:58 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

 When I bought my *istDS in late 2006 I got body only for only $360 new in box.
 Seems like early adopters really got soaked thru Pentax.

Yeah, and if D700 prices dropped the way the prices do on Pentax bodies, I 
might have 
picked one up.  When I look at the way Pentax performance has risen and prices 
have dropped
over the past few years, it’s really tough for me to feel too sad.

It probably prompted at least two body upgrades that wouldn’t have happened 
otherwise.

 
 On 2/11/2014 7:39 PM, Bill wrote:
 When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat over 
 $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries that never 
 worked right.
 I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.
 
 The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for my 
 istD kit.
 
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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread John
If I remember correctly, I paid about $2000 (taxes included) for an 
*ist-D, battery grip, 256MB CF card  a used Tameron 28-200 lens. I had 
to drive down to a local dealer's branch store in Wilmington, NC to pick 
it up because they didn't have the grip in the Raleigh store. I didn't 
think to take a lens along, so I bought the Tamron lens so I'd have 
something to shoot with on the drive back to Raleigh.


I think the Tamron lens was about $300  the 256MB CF card was about 
$100 at that time, so the *ist-D  battery grip must have been about $1600.


That was February 14, 2004, just before I shipped out for Iraq. We got 
the weekend off right after our big departure ceremony. I photographed 
the ceremony with a PZ-1P.


On 2/11/2014 7:58 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

When I bought my *istDS in late 2006 I got body only for only $360 new
in box.
Seems like early adopters really got soaked thru Pentax.

On 2/11/2014 7:39 PM, Bill wrote:

When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat
over $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries
that never worked right.
I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for
my istD kit.

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PESO - Bare Tree

2014-02-11 Thread knarf
It was snowing down at The Lake last weekend. Such a difference down there as 
compared to the lush summer, but still beautiful in its own way:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/02/bare-tree.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread Miserere
On February 11, 2014 7:39:54 PM EST, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat 
over $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries 
that never worked right.
I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for
my 
istD kit.

bill


Bill, 

Unless you're OK with just 1:2 macro, skip the 60mm and spring for the 56mm 
f/1.2.

The 35mm f/1.4 is also quite nice, although if you're a 35mm-e kinda guy, the 
23mm will make you very, very happy. 

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread Alan C
Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember what 
the first XT's cost?


Alan C

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Combination of very mature technology and outsourcing to Asian
sweatshops I guess.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat over
$3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries that 
never

worked right.
I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for my
istD kit.

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-11 Thread Miserere
On February 11, 2014 7:39:54 PM EST, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
When I bought my istD 10 short years ago, I recall dropping somewhat 
over $3200.00 for the camera, battery grip, lens and some AA batteries 
that never worked right.
I just checked the price on the FUji X-T1 and some nice lenses.

The body, 14mm, 23mm, and 60mm macro comes in at less than I paid for
my 
istD kit.

bill


Oh, and I paid around $750 for a brand new K10D in 2007. Would have liked to 
upgrade to the K-5 except I couldn't stomach paying $1,600 for it (in late 2010 
was it?). The new TC is $600 and all the star zooms are north of $1k if I'm not 
mistaken, so Fuji's prices now seem reasonable to a Pentaxian. 

Cheers,


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Re: PESO - Bare Tree

2014-02-11 Thread J.C. O'Connell

Nice shot but the horizon needs a little straightening.

On 2/11/2014 11:00 PM, knarf wrote:

It was snowing down at The Lake last weekend. Such a difference down there as 
compared to the lush summer, but still beautiful in its own way:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/02/bare-tree.html?m=1

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PESO: PYJAMA PARTY

2014-02-11 Thread Alan C
Part of a shot of a zebra herd at a water-hole which I reworked  cropped. 
Taken last year, still with the K110D.


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Re: PESO - Two Swans and Geese

2014-02-11 Thread David Mann
I would love to see a photo like that with just the swans.

Cheers,
Dave

On Feb 11, 2014, at 7:02 pm, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hunkering down on lake ice during a snowfall. The ice goes out quite a ways, 
 you can barely see open water way off near the horizon:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2014/02/two-swans-and-some-geese.html?m=1
 
 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
 
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Re: OT - An innovative way to pad out your portfolio

2014-02-11 Thread David Mann
On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:07 pm, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:

 On 11 Feb 2014, at 08:02, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
 
 (I can't remember where I put my car keys, but 50-year-old lyrics? No 
 problem!)
 
 
 The internet will do both for us now. As long as you can remember where your 
 computer is.

The other day I was starting to make dinner and stood in front of our pots* of 
utensils wondering where the f--k our utensils are.

We'd just moved into our temporary accommodation and the wife had put them on 
the bench right next to the stove...

Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Bare Tree

2014-02-11 Thread David Mann
Yes, snow is beautiful when it's somewhere else.

Lovely photo, it looks very peaceful.  Must have been a very nice walk.

Cheers,
Dave

On Feb 12, 2014, at 5:00 pm, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 It was snowing down at The Lake last weekend. Such a difference down there as 
 compared to the lush summer, but still beautiful in its own way:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/02/bare-tree.html?m=1
 
 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 
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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-11 Thread knarf
So just because you're the only one (that I know of) on this list who actually 
flew fighter aircraft back in the sixties you think that makes you an expert? 
Do you really think your actual real-world experience means that you know more 
than us armchair quarterbacks?

Okay, I never flew them but I read about them. And of course you're absolutely 
right.

I liked the Starfighter because it was cool looking and fast. But your Double 
Ugly was faster, could attain a higher altitude, carry more payload and 
out-maneuver Starfighters (and pretty much everything else). It was about five 
years newer than the F104 and engine technology and aerodynamics improved 
greatly during that time.

Anyway, there's no doubt that the F4 was the finest fighter-bomber of it's 
time. It must have been a thrill to pilot them!

Cheers,
frank

On 11 February, 2014 4:44:17 PM EST, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
wrote:
I was an airborne radar intercept officer.  I was trained to use
Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles in air-to-air combat.  While I never
was sent up against a Vulcan, I know enough about it to say that it
would be a fairly easy target, big and slow.  The 104 would be a bit
harder, but since it had a turning radius bigger that the orbit of
Mars, not difficult to outmaneuver.  We had radar controlled missiles
to fire head-on from 3 to 10 miles away, and heat-guided missiles to
fire from .5 to 1.5 miles behind another aircraft.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Stanley Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
wrote:

 In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a
 match for the Phantom.  I know;  that used to be my job.

 Your job was to shoot down Vulcans and F-104’s? I know the Marines
consider themselves a service apart, but this seems to take that notion
too far!

 stan


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 On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au
wrote:
 Thanks Dan - but see my response to Chris!

 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia



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 Subject: Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

 Great shot!

 This, however, if what a REAL airplane looks like G:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10368188

 Dan Matyola
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 On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:00 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au
wrote:
 Sorry for the delay, had to dig out the relevant slides and find a
film scanner to scan slides!
 A shot taken at Biggin Hill or Farnborough in probably the early
 sixties, when the Canadian Air Force display team was showing off
during the annual air show.

 http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~jco...@iinet.net.au/F104.html

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 Brisbane, Australia




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Re: Sigma OS lenses

2014-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
Jan, only one of my Sigma lenses has OS and I don't use it as it's a
17-50mm and offeres no advantage over in body SR but it does work.
That said the electronics required to stabilize the moving internal
element still use power so the OS lenses are more power hungry then
their non-OS counter-parts.



On 12 February 2014 09:06, Jan van Wijk pen...@dfsee.com wrote:
 Hi Collin,

 On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:39:37 -0500 CollinB wrote:

Anyone here shooting them?  I  looking at the 70-300 and 150-500.  Nice.  No 
screw AF.

 I have been using using the 50-500mm for well over a year now.
 Unlike Rob (Studdert that is :) mine seems to perform fairly well at 500mm, 
 wich is where I use it most.

 I prefer to use the in-lens stabilization over the in-body, since that gives 
 you uch better feedsback,
 the image in the viewfinder is stabilized too, and you usually 'see' it 
 locking in ...

 Have used it exclusively with the K5 (sold now), still to be tested/used on 
 the new K3

 Regards, JvW

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Re: PESO: PYJAMA PARTY

2014-02-11 Thread knarf
Wow!  What an amazing photo!  

Cheers,
frank

On 12 February, 2014 12:15:13 AM EST, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
Part of a shot of a zebra herd at a water-hole which I reworked 
cropped. 
Taken last year, still with the K110D.

Alan C

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Re: I'm Back

2014-02-11 Thread sup8pdct
This is a different view of the bungles in wa. It is from a lookout that 
one has to walk to. It is a panorama merged from 4 images in photoshop 
and cropped.

No other work was done to it.

http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u626/sup8pdct/bungles_zpsa5f81e29.jpg

James

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