Free Exposure Blending course
Passing this along for any who might be interested. It is not just a 100 page eBook, but also contains 8 videos and 7 image files. Cover shot: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/exposure-blending-cover.jpg http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/exposure-blending/ Why you might want to use it: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/before-after-exposure-blending.jpg I suppose, like any tool, this one can be wielded with skill or butchery. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Free Exposure Blending course
The techniques might be useful the means to which he puts them are problematic. The before and after shot in the last one are a bit extreme. I guess subtlety isn't his middle name. On 2/13/2015 8:08 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Passing this along for any who might be interested. It is not just a 100 page eBook, but also contains 8 videos and 7 image files. Cover shot: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/exposure-blending-cover.jpg http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/exposure-blending/ Why you might want to use it: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/before-after-exposure-blending.jpg I suppose, like any tool, this one can be wielded with skill or butchery. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 2/12/2015 21:52, Bruce Walker wrote: Ann, if we take the telephoto example, you will get pronounced compression that your eyes would not have given the scene. I'm not sure that is true - it is something I used to think but then somewhere someone showed something taken with a 50 mm lens and cropped down to what the 135 tele had captured and the crop and the tele photo looked the same... You could well be right about the compression, Ann. But we certainly can't see what the tele is showing us with the unaided eye. That's why we use binoculars. :) If I stand on a chair above two people, the taller of who I place behind the shorter one, using a wide angle lens I can make them both look about the same size. I used this trick during a recent shoot. It's an optical distortion that my eye did not make but the lens/camera did.And their heads appear much bigger than their feet too. You didn't see it looking through the viewfinder? Through the viewfinder, and so through the distorting glass, yes. With my eyes, no. *** Not extreme distortions, but unnatural nonetheless. Our eyes have a 35mm equivalent focal length of around 50mm so any lens wider or longer than that is going to distort scenes compared to what your eyes see.*** Which is why a 50mm lens has always been my preferred one.:-) but that is the 50 mm lens with a fixed periferal vision - one's own eyes may have more or less. I think it is a complicated optical matter... but at the bottom of it is that I don't like seeing something beautiful made ugly, that's all Well that I cannot and will not argue with. That is personal preference and personal interpretation of course. My own personal interpretation of Igor's shot is more positive as I like the shot playing with my expectations. I don't expect buildings and tram lines to be bending like putty, so it surprises me and makes me look more closely. Would I put it up on my wall? Unsure; I might, to see other's reactions. My argument was really with the notion that what the photographer has done should not be done, or why bother? Okay, as one final example of distortion -- one that I know you like -- here's a shot with a single distortion applied, not optical. http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_w09.htm ann On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Bruce - in all your examples, you are capturing something your eye can see or did see without recording it with a camera... Not the same at all as using a fisheye - which produces an image the human eye can't see - until after the camera has captured it.. So perhaps not the best comparison to fisheye lens photos. I find the fish-eye distortion unpleasant - I don't mind distortion in art in general, if the result is pleasing to look it. Using a wide angle lens too close to someone you are photographing, or looking at yourself in a funhouse mirror also produces an unpleasing distortion... but I never thought making faces was amusing either.. but that's a digression. ann On 2/12/2015 20:51, Bruce Walker wrote: Well, what's the point to shooting through raindropped glass? WTPT standing on a chair and shooting down on a small group? WTPT shooting a closeup of a marching band from a great distance with a telephoto? WTPT shooting a scene's reflection in a puddle? WTPT trying anything different? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Have never grasp the point to such mechanically produced distortion. Jack Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I don't see any point to that kind of shot.. It's a beautiful building, don't like seeing it distorted. ann On 2/12/2015 01:57, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi All! Time-to-time I am experimenting with the Korean 8mm fisheye lens. I've posted a few shots produced with that lens that I liked. But sometimes I am not sure if the photo works or not. Here is one of such shots: http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00794.jpg I would like to hear your honest opinion, if this shot works for you or not. (Other comments and suggestions are also welcome.) Thank you, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 5 Palms Sunset
Very nice colors, exposure and subject. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset Taken from our dinner table this evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965887size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Interestingly, the mockup has Pentax on the front and back - so there Cotty, its a Pentax BG Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like. It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
Wow, such a heated debate! As a scientist, I like pationed civilized discussions! As a scientist, I also feel obligated to clarify the possible confusions that occured in the process. A. Perspective and compression. First, I would provide a sort of rabbinistic response: Bruce's point is correct. Ann is also correct. Let me followup on Bruce's point: Only about 50 (or, IIRC, more exactly 40-some) mm lens on a FF sensor provides the perspective comparable to that seen by humans. That's why for several decades, 50mm lens was a standard on many film cameras. On APS-C, that role has shifted to about 35mm. As it is obvious from the different focal lengths for different sensors, it is not the focal length per se, but the angle at which the object is seen through a particular lens. More on this is below. The change of the perspective is much more pronounced if we go the wide-angle lenses. Try shooting portraits with a 24 or even 28 mm lens, and you'll see that they look weird: the distance between the eyes on the face, compared to other facial features looks weird, almost an alien-like. That's why there is a notion of a portrait lens. The potraits lenses are typically a bit longer than the normal lens (roughly 70-115mm on the FF, and 50-85 on APS-C), as that produces the compression that is slight, which makes it noticeable but not unnatural. This compression makes the portraits a bit flattering. B. Now, one has to distinguish two different settings: 1. Shooting with two lenses (say, 50mm and 135mm) from different distances, while preserving the coverage (filling) of the frame with the object (face). 2. Shooting with the same two lenses from the SAME distance to the object. First is more typical and practical, and that's what people refer to when they are talking about compression. The second one, is what Ann has mentioned. And, of course, there is no difference in the perspective there (but obviously, if you make a crop, you might not get sufficient quality/resolution). The discussion in A above, refers to the case #1. A frequently referenced photo demonstrating the effect in the first case is here: http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/lensdistortion/ http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/lensdistortion/IMAGES/tile1.jpg And here is the tutorial discussing it: http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tutorials_Lens_Perspective.htm C. Additional clarifying comments: The periferal vision has nothing to do with the distortion: It is the angle at which we see a non-flat object that matters, not how widely we can see. And to avoid a confusion, yet another important clarification is due here: This compression effect would not be seen if you were to look not at a 3D object (such as a face) but at a flat image on whose surface is perpendicular to the line of vision. I.e. if you are shooting somebody's portrait through different rectilinear lenses, you will not see any difference, as long as it is at 90 degrees to the line of viewing. The corollary of this is that it doesn't matter from which distance you look at a portait, the proportions are always the same. But looking at a face (or shooting a photo) from two inches away give you a weird view. D. Now, on non-scientific aspect: Experimental or conservative approach is a personal preference, and I appreciate and respect both. And that's why I asked people here, expecting a spectrum of opinions. And when even people, who generally don't like fish-eye photos, like the particular photo, that speaks stronger about that image. Here is an example where Ann kinda like[d] ... one: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2014-May/378059.html Bruce, and I share your sentiment about why bother and experimenting beyond the comfort zone of usual. That's exactly what drives me in these experiments. Again, many thanks to all people who contributed their opinions about the image! Igor Bruce Walker Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:23:02 -0800 wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 2/12/2015 21:52, Bruce Walker wrote: Ann, if we take the telephoto example, you will get pronounced compression that your eyes would not have given the scene. I'm not sure that is true - it is something I used to think but then somewhere someone showed something taken with a 50 mm lens and cropped down to what the 135 tele had captured and the crop and the tele photo looked the same... You could well be right about the compression, Ann. But we certainly can't see what the tele is showing us with the unaided eye. That's why we use binoculars. :) If I stand on a chair above two people, the taller of who I place behind the shorter one, using a wide angle lens I can make them both look about the same size. I used this trick during a recent shoot. It's an optical distortion that my eye did not make but the lens/camera did.And their heads appear much bigger than their feet too. You didn't see it looking through
OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Still looks like a big, blocky thing. G It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
70 years ago Dresden bombing -- and a photo of Dresden Cathedral
I just read on BBC the article about the bombing of Dresden exactly 70 years ago: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31448992 Remembering those events is important to deter repeat of such events. (Unfortunately, as the recent history shows, it is impossible to avoid those due to the loss of collective memory with the new generations.) Last May, I visited Dresden. One of the strange feelings in the old town comes from seeing old-looking building with mixed dark and bright stones. The reason for that is that many (most?) buildings in the old town have been restored from ruins, using the old, surviving stones. The newer stones have not been subjected to the weather for as long, so they are lighter in color. Actually, the building that appears on the photo taken with the fisheye lens, which was debated in another thready, is Dresden Cathedral that was also badly destroyed in that bombing. http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00794.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Cathedral For those who prefer a photo from a rectilinear lens, here it is: http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR01023.jpg And slightly corrected for the perspective (to straighten out the tower): http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR01023-2.jpg And here is day-time photo (with unfortunate vignetting in the corners due to the shade accidentally unlocking and rotating): http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00790.jpg For those who enjoy visiting place with Google Earth or Google Maps, the coordinates of the cathedral are 51.053535,13.737464 Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Digital Camera Watch report from CP+ Yokohama
On 12/2/15, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: But let's start wringing our hands. I did that when the MZ-D was cancelled ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Free Exposure Blending course
What is the difference between Exposure Blending and HDR? Darren Addy wrote: Passing this along for any who might be interested. It is not just a 100 page eBook, but also contains 8 videos and 7 image files. Cover shot: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/exposure-blending-cover.jpg http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/exposure-blending/ Why you might want to use it: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/before-after-exposure-blending.jpg I suppose, like any tool, this one can be wielded with skill or butchery. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Digital Camera Watch report from CP+ Yokohama
On 12/2/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: It's pretty routine now. Even for smaller companies. I'd be surprised if Pentax made prototype models any other way. Bright pink Play Doh next. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
It would be pretty blocky, it's got a FF prism, an articulating screen, and a full frame mirror box, and probably a very powerful, for a camera body at least autofocus motor, all of which take up space. It's still probably smaller than a Canon EOS with none of those things. On 2/13/2015 12:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Still looks like a big, blocky thing. G It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. B On 13 Feb 2015, at 17:02, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Interestingly, the mockup has Pentax on the front and back - so there Cotty, its a Pentax BG Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like. It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
On 2/13/2015 09:20, Bruce Walker wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 2/12/2015 21:52, Bruce Walker wrote: Ann, if we take the telephoto example, you will get pronounced compression that your eyes would not have given the scene. I'm not sure that is true - it is something I used to think but then somewhere someone showed something taken with a 50 mm lens and cropped down to what the 135 tele had captured and the crop and the tele photo looked the same... You could well be right about the compression, Ann. But we certainly can't see what the tele is showing us with the unaided eye. That's why we use binoculars. :) ... No argument at all with you there , Bruce.. we got way off the original topic... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Free Exposure Blending course
The results of this and HDR can be similar but the techniques are very different. Exposure Blending is more subject-directed than HDR, which is a global effect. With EB you end up creating masks over specific features in the image to select different exposures. I've done something similar to it with multiple layers and manually painted layer masks, but EB is different from that even as you use Luminosity masks to do the object isolation. The technique is complex enough to require Photoshop actions to make it less tedious. I think the results with either manually masked areas or using luminosity masks is more natural looking than HDR, but that depends on how close you push the HDR sliders toward 11. If you can use some restraint, HDR isn't so awful. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: What is the difference between Exposure Blending and HDR? Darren Addy wrote: Passing this along for any who might be interested. It is not just a 100 page eBook, but also contains 8 videos and 7 image files. Cover shot: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/exposure-blending-cover.jpg http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/exposure-blending/ Why you might want to use it: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/before-after-exposure-blending.jpg I suppose, like any tool, this one can be wielded with skill or butchery. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On 13/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. Everything's got to be now with you city folk. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 B! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
Thanks for posting the details, Igor - I can't always remember the science, and sometimes I can't grasp it all, but I definitely am in the why I love science school. And well aware of the portrait lens effect - my second favorite lens. The only reason I ever see for using a wide angle is if what you want to show, remember, won't fit, so to speak, in the 50mm view. If you are shooting a distant landscape with a 35mm lens there is no noticeable distortion at all - given your angle is correct, um, straight on - right? As to the photo I kinda liked - it was nicely symetrical and exagerated the rounded forms.. it enhanced the forms that are so pleasing there and also if you had never been there it gave us information...the camera couldn't see it all without the lens you used.. I reserve the right to contradictory behaviour. :-) ann On 2/13/2015 11:50, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Wow, such a heated debate! As a scientist, I like pationed civilized discussions! As a scientist, I also feel obligated to clarify the possible confusions that occured in the process. A. Perspective and compression. First, I would provide a sort of rabbinistic response: Bruce's point is correct. Ann is also correct. Let me followup on Bruce's point: Only about 50 (or, IIRC, more exactly 40-some) mm lens on a FF sensor provides the perspective comparable to that seen by humans. That's why for several decades, 50mm lens was a standard on many film cameras. On APS-C, that role has shifted to about 35mm. As it is obvious from the different focal lengths for different sensors, it is not the focal length per se, but the angle at which the object is seen through a particular lens. More on this is below. The change of the perspective is much more pronounced if we go the wide-angle lenses. Try shooting portraits with a 24 or even 28 mm lens, and you'll see that they look weird: the distance between the eyes on the face, compared to other facial features looks weird, almost an alien-like. That's why there is a notion of a portrait lens. The potraits lenses are typically a bit longer than the normal lens (roughly 70-115mm on the FF, and 50-85 on APS-C), as that produces the compression that is slight, which makes it noticeable but not unnatural. This compression makes the portraits a bit flattering. B. Now, one has to distinguish two different settings: 1. Shooting with two lenses (say, 50mm and 135mm) from different distances, while preserving the coverage (filling) of the frame with the object (face). 2. Shooting with the same two lenses from the SAME distance to the object. First is more typical and practical, and that's what people refer to when they are talking about compression. The second one, is what Ann has mentioned. And, of course, there is no difference in the perspective there (but obviously, if you make a crop, you might not get sufficient quality/resolution). The discussion in A above, refers to the case #1. A frequently referenced photo demonstrating the effect in the first case is here: http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/lensdistortion/ http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/lensdistortion/IMAGES/tile1.jpg And here is the tutorial discussing it: http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tutorials_Lens_Perspective.htm C. Additional clarifying comments: The periferal vision has nothing to do with the distortion: It is the angle at which we see a non-flat object that matters, not how widely we can see. And to avoid a confusion, yet another important clarification is due here: This compression effect would not be seen if you were to look not at a 3D object (such as a face) but at a flat image on whose surface is perpendicular to the line of vision. I.e. if you are shooting somebody's portrait through different rectilinear lenses, you will not see any difference, as long as it is at 90 degrees to the line of viewing. The corollary of this is that it doesn't matter from which distance you look at a portait, the proportions are always the same. But looking at a face (or shooting a photo) from two inches away give you a weird view. D. Now, on non-scientific aspect: Experimental or conservative approach is a personal preference, and I appreciate and respect both. And that's why I asked people here, expecting a spectrum of opinions. And when even people, who generally don't like fish-eye photos, like the particular photo, that speaks stronger about that image. Here is an example where Ann kinda like[d] ... one: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2014-May/378059.html Bruce, and I share your sentiment about why bother and experimenting beyond the comfort zone of usual. That's exactly what drives me in these experiments. Again, many thanks to all people who contributed their opinions about the image! Igor Bruce Walker Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:23:02 -0800 wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 2/12/2015 21:52, Bruce Walker wrote: Ann, if we take the telephoto example, you
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
The compatibility of DNG across generations of processing software is akin to negative management. Making prints is at the other end of the workflow, these are your finished, rendered works. I started a two prints a week project this year. That is, I am printing two of my finished photos per week through the year. I'm a little behind, both for logistical reasons of being under the weather with a medical procedure and because I finally have the storage box, bags, and print sizing for this project nailed down. :-) I'll catch up this weekend... I'd love to see others pursuing this program. Godfrey On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
I expect you'll see one as you're turing around, Bob. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: Somebody ought to invent a Universal Machine! On 13 Feb 2015, at 19:47, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Border Crossing
On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:35 pm, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/865/#peso That's great! Very photogenic - I hope they never 'pretty it up'. Also not wishing to be picky (har!) but just correcting your comment in the 'Tree' post. Both the 'Finke River' and 'Iron Man' PESOs are definitely scenes in the Northern Territory, assuming they were the pics you were referring to. Damn, you're right. Must have been Friday-itis. I've re-corrected them now... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
The problem that stopped the Contax and MZ-D in their tracks was that Phillips was unable to manufacture the sensor to spec, on time, and in sufficient volume at the agreed upon price. The camera manufacturers dropped the project rather than renegotiate the deal because the performance was so dismal and the price would have been so high; it was a cut your losses and run situation. Sad, both cameras had a lot of promise. I ran into the Contax at a 2002 Photo Expo Tokyo while I was there, actually handled and made an exposure or two with the prototype. It was large but nicely balanced and not as heavy as it looked, beautifully finished even in prototype form. Kyocera decided to close up camera operations after that as it had been too expensive a loss and wasn't their main line of business. Pentax soldiered forth in a different direction with a smaller Sony sensor and a less ambitious body as the starting point, the *ist D. Godfrey On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:53 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The previous FF Pentax the so called MZ-D was actually out for testing, not a mockup, but hand assembled working prototypes, (there were supposedly 6 of them almost released to the wild). I expect that Pentax dropped plans for it's production because, it was only 6mp and would have cost an arm a leg and an eye, and that Canon, and Kodak both were on the verge of releasing 10 and 14mp FF cameras respectively that only cost an arm and a leg. There were also rumors that the Philips sensor it was built around was a dog, and it probably was, Contax rele3ased a similar camera using the same sensor, and it killed the brand, at least the Yashica incarnation of Contax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Finke River
Strange looking river, maybe it has water only a few months per year? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:46 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Australians have a pretty loose definition of river :) http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/863/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
On 2/13/2015 3:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 B! I well know the mushroom slogan. I must be a mushroom because they keep me in total darkness and feed me nothing but horse-shit! -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
Miserere wrote: I'm with you, Cotty; I found it fugly as hell. Did they fire the K-3/5/7 designers? Odd. I really like the look of the new camera. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
I'm with Mark. If anything is fugly it is the hump on the K-3 that is basically just for a headphone jack. But it isn't anything to get in a kerfuffle over. Form follows function. The only design problem I ever had with Pentax was their weird prism housing on the K-30 with looks like some Neanderthal brow. Frankly, even the K-01 was better looking than that. Still, if it has good image quality and ergonomics, the looks are less than important. “What we see depends mainly on what we look for.” ― John Lubbock On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Miserere wrote: I'm with you, Cotty; I found it fugly as hell. Did they fire the K-3/5/7 designers? Odd. I really like the look of the new camera. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
I think you're confusing the media with the message (DATA). IF the DATA on those old disks was important you should/would have backed it up onto newer media translated it into new formats. My old Quattro Pro spreadsheets are long gone, but before I left them behind, I moved the information they contained into and Excel spreadsheet and from there into Open Office Calc. The same is true for documents originally created in Professional Write (pfs:Write) whose texts were moved to MS Word and ultimately (as of this instant) into Open Office Writer. Those digital photos I have that aren't in JPEG or TIFF are in PEF and DNG. And I'm currently going back and running PEF files through the DNG converter, although for now I'm keeping those old PEF files as backups. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine PS: Very little of the data from those 20+ old spreadsheets documents is relevant today. But, I was still able to read the files use the DATA up until the very moment I deleted it. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset
Thanks. Here's one from further away: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966335 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Here's one from further away: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966335 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:04 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/13/2015 2:52 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Taken from our dinner table this evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965887size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Beautiful cloud formations, but no palms? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 70 years ago Dresden bombing -- and a photo of Dresden Cathedral
The world learned quite a bit from the bombing, make sure you're unassailable before you start grabbing off other peoples land, or provoke a larger power, Russia has nukes, so no one want's to stop Russia when it nibbles off chunks of it's smaller neighbors, North Korea has Nukes so when they commit acts of war against South Korea, the world let's it slide. See they learned something, just not what you would have hoped they would learn. On 2/13/2015 4:46 PM, Paul wrote: And yet the world learns nothing from history...the powerful and power hungry continue to flex their muscles as long as they have young men and women to send out to do their dying for them. You see a mix old stone and new in many buildings in Munich as well...and it is a strange feeling. -p On 2/13/2015 11:32 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: I just read on BBC the article about the bombing of Dresden exactly 70 years ago: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31448992 Remembering those events is important to deter repeat of such events. (Unfortunately, as the recent history shows, it is impossible to avoid those due to the loss of collective memory with the new generations.) Last May, I visited Dresden. One of the strange feelings in the old town comes from seeing old-looking building with mixed dark and bright stones. The reason for that is that many (most?) buildings in the old town have been restored from ruins, using the old, surviving stones. The newer stones have not been subjected to the weather for as long, so they are lighter in color. Actually, the building that appears on the photo taken with the fisheye lens, which was debated in another thready, is Dresden Cathedral that was also badly destroyed in that bombing. http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00794.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Cathedral For those who prefer a photo from a rectilinear lens, here it is: http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR01023.jpg And slightly corrected for the perspective (to straighten out the tower): http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR01023-2.jpg And here is day-time photo (with unfortunate vignetting in the corners due to the shade accidentally unlocking and rotating): http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00790.jpg For those who enjoy visiting place with Google Earth or Google Maps, the coordinates of the cathedral are 51.053535,13.737464 Cheers, Igor -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
But if you use a 3D printer to create your time machine mockup, and then photoshop the shots you'll convince way more people and ignite some great firestorms on the Time Machine User forums. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. B On 13 Feb 2015, at 17:02, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Interestingly, the mockup has Pentax on the front and back - so there Cotty, its a Pentax BG Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like. It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
Somebody ought to invent a Universal Machine! On 13 Feb 2015, at 19:47, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
The previous FF Pentax the so called MZ-D was actually out for testing, not a mockup, but hand assembled working prototypes, (there were supposedly 6 of them almost released to the wild). I expect that Pentax dropped plans for it's production because, it was only 6mp and would have cost an arm a leg and an eye, and that Canon, and Kodak both were on the verge of releasing 10 and 14mp FF cameras respectively that only cost an arm and a leg. There were also rumors that the Philips sensor it was built around was a dog, and it probably was, Contax rele3ased a similar camera using the same sensor, and it killed the brand, at least the Yashica incarnation of Contax. On 2/13/2015 1:59 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. B On 13 Feb 2015, at 17:02, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Interestingly, the mockup has Pentax on the front and back - so there Cotty, its a Pentax BG Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like. It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: No argument at all with you there , Bruce.. we got way off the original topic... Good heavens, Ann, this is the PDML. Tangential threading is encouraged if not mandatory. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 video instruction manual...
Interesting how nobody replied to this, which I wrote on Jan. 20th, regarding Benjamin Kanarek's sudden reappearance on dpreview Pentax Forum and PentaxForums.com. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation? Less than three weeks later Pentax confirms development of the full frame. I suspect that features are nailed down more than one might think and that the artist's rendition in the other thread is a working prototype (albeit with a 3d printed body) that is already in the hands of some pros who have signed NDAs like Kanarek. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... just about! This goes way beyond your usual review and (if you aren't the kind to want to read the manual that came with your K-3) this guy highlights a lot of the K-3s capabilities (many of which you may not have realized even existed). 37 minutes, but definitely worth watching if you own a K-3 or if you want a very lucid description of its capabilities to push you over the edge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R8jfhfPe0 Interestingly, the link to this video was shared on the Pentax SLR forum on dpreview.com by Benjamin Kanarek. You may remember him as the former Pentax shooter who very publicly left Pentax for a Nikon D800 for his professional work. His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/benjaminkanarek/videos At the time he said that he would still use Pentax for travel and leisure purposes. I find it interesting that he posted the K-3 video because it is his first Pentax post there for a very long time. And I wondered what precipitated that. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
On 13/02/2015 4:02 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 13/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 Let us raise a strong wind of studying the great Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism! I just raised a strong wind. I vote for a special Synchronicity, where we all fart in their general direction at the same time. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 video instruction manual...
Benjamin's not so big a name that Ricoh should care if he's back or not, I bet most of us wouldn't even know who he is if he hadn't been a paid promoter of Pentax, then again there's the K-01, and the out house designer responsible, so maybe they do care, but who else does really? On 2/13/2015 5:47 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting how nobody replied to this, which I wrote on Jan. 20th, regarding Benjamin Kanarek's sudden reappearance on dpreview Pentax Forum and PentaxForums.com. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation? Less than three weeks later Pentax confirms development of the full frame. I suspect that features are nailed down more than one might think and that the artist's rendition in the other thread is a working prototype (albeit with a 3d printed body) that is already in the hands of some pros who have signed NDAs like Kanarek. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... just about! This goes way beyond your usual review and (if you aren't the kind to want to read the manual that came with your K-3) this guy highlights a lot of the K-3s capabilities (many of which you may not have realized even existed). 37 minutes, but definitely worth watching if you own a K-3 or if you want a very lucid description of its capabilities to push you over the edge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88R8jfhfPe0 Interestingly, the link to this video was shared on the Pentax SLR forum on dpreview.com by Benjamin Kanarek. You may remember him as the former Pentax shooter who very publicly left Pentax for a Nikon D800 for his professional work. His YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/benjaminkanarek/videos At the time he said that he would still use Pentax for travel and leisure purposes. I find it interesting that he posted the K-3 video because it is his first Pentax post there for a very long time. And I wondered what precipitated that. Makes me wonder if he might not be evaluating an early edition of the Pentax FF (Ricoh trying to win one of their most influential professionals back into the fold). Naturally, with an NDA, he would not be free to speak about that but it might be in his (and Ricoh's) best interests if he became involved in the Pentax community again. /speculation -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Hey Cotty could use a 3D printer to make the hat and use chocaolate as the material! jco On 2/13/2015 2:10 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: But if you use a 3D printer to create your time machine mockup, and then photoshop the shots you'll convince way more people and ignite some great firestorms on the Time Machine User forums. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. B On 13 Feb 2015, at 17:02, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Interestingly, the mockup has Pentax on the front and back - so there Cotty, its a Pentax BG Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like. It's a link to the Pentax Fora, sorry about that. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/288490-unveiling-full-frame-prototype.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
You probably saw a production model not a prototype, since it actually made it to production. Here's the Luminous Landscape review, clearly stating it's a released product, though the review was posted after the camera was already withdrawn from the market. http://luminous-landscape.com/contax-n-digital-review/ of course LL is down for maintenance right now, so you'll have to read it later. On 2/13/2015 3:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The problem that stopped the Contax and MZ-D in their tracks was that Phillips was unable to manufacture the sensor to spec, on time, and in sufficient volume at the agreed upon price. The camera manufacturers dropped the project rather than renegotiate the deal because the performance was so dismal and the price would have been so high; it was a cut your losses and run situation. Sad, both cameras had a lot of promise. I ran into the Contax at a 2002 Photo Expo Tokyo while I was there, actually handled and made an exposure or two with the prototype. It was large but nicely balanced and not as heavy as it looked, beautifully finished even in prototype form. Kyocera decided to close up camera operations after that as it had been too expensive a loss and wasn't their main line of business. Pentax soldiered forth in a different direction with a smaller Sony sensor and a less ambitious body as the starting point, the *ist D. Godfrey On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:53 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The previous FF Pentax the so called MZ-D was actually out for testing, not a mockup, but hand assembled working prototypes, (there were supposedly 6 of them almost released to the wild). I expect that Pentax dropped plans for it's production because, it was only 6mp and would have cost an arm a leg and an eye, and that Canon, and Kodak both were on the verge of releasing 10 and 14mp FF cameras respectively that only cost an arm and a leg. There were also rumors that the Philips sensor it was built around was a dog, and it probably was, Contax rele3ased a similar camera using the same sensor, and it killed the brand, at least the Yashica incarnation of Contax. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Kyocera decided to close up camera operations after that as it had been too expensive a loss and wasn't their main line of business. Pentax soldiered forth in a different direction with a smaller Sony sensor and a less ambitious body as the starting point, the *ist D. And if they'd followed Kyocera's lead, they could have avoided over a decade of grumbling, moaning, bitching and whingeing from the likes of us. So who was the smarter firm? -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Free Exposure Blending course
I agree that most of the guy's examples are from the Thomas Kinkade School, but that's why I said what I said about wielding the tool. But don't blame the hammer for the monstrosity created with it. And I also agree that HDR is in that same boat. Sadly, the label has been mostly ruined by what the proponents have done with it. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:41 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Yet more over-processed, eye-watering pap! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Saturday, 14 February 2015 4:09 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Free Exposure Blending course What is the difference between Exposure Blending and HDR? Darren Addy wrote: Passing this along for any who might be interested. It is not just a 100 page eBook, but also contains 8 videos and 7 image files. Cover shot: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/exposure-blending-cover.jpg http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/exposure-blending/ Why you might want to use it: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/before-after-exposure-blending. jpg I suppose, like any tool, this one can be wielded with skill or butchery. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
I'm fairly confident that file formats like JPEG TIFF will be readable in the future, for at least as long as archival prints can be expected to last. The media they're saved on might change, but the files will last as long as someone remembers to transfer them to newer forms of media when they come along. On 2/13/2015 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fishy Nanotech
I much prefer this vantage point, like it a lot better than the previous version. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: The nanotechnology building, through the 10-17 fisheye: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964476size=lg Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset
On 2/13/2015 2:52 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Taken from our dinner table this evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965887size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Beautiful cloud formations, but no palms? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
What in the world is ugly about it? That prism housing remind me of a Stealth Fighter: http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Attack/F117BankingHardLeft10oClock.jpg It is only slightly taller, and I think the design has elements that are reminiscent of the 67ii. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kzfuedKIvUE/UeAdYidR0II/AWg/X12hlC4eEto/s1600/SDIM1197_2.jpg In any event, either some of you refuse to be happy with anything or you are going to be like those people who absolutely HATE that new song the first time they hear it, but it ends up sticking in your head and becoming one of your All Time Favorites, in time. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Urban Whale
Take the M4 from London. On 2/12/2015 6:27 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Well obviously one goes in the trunk and one goes in the glove compartment. On 2/12/2015 1:12 PM, John wrote: How do you get two whales in a Volkswagon? On 2/12/2015 4:19 AM, Alan C wrote: It's smiling at you! Alan C -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:55 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Urban Whale http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965113size=md Comments are invited Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Free Exposure Blending course
Yet more over-processed, eye-watering pap! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Saturday, 14 February 2015 4:09 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Free Exposure Blending course What is the difference between Exposure Blending and HDR? Darren Addy wrote: Passing this along for any who might be interested. It is not just a 100 page eBook, but also contains 8 videos and 7 image files. Cover shot: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/exposure-blending-cover.jpg http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/exposure-blending/ Why you might want to use it: http://christopherodonnellphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/before-after-exposure-blending. jpg I suppose, like any tool, this one can be wielded with skill or butchery. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
I'm with you, Cotty; I found it fugly as hell. Did they fire the K-3/5/7 designers? Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 12 February 2015 at 10:23, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: I think that my hat's going to give me indigestion. What a ghastly object! http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8579230519/cp-2015-up-close-and- personal-with-ricoh-full-frame-mockup And is it Ricoh or Pentax?? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 70 years ago Dresden bombing -- and a photo of Dresden Cathedral
And yet the world learns nothing from history...the powerful and power hungry continue to flex their muscles as long as they have young men and women to send out to do their dying for them. You see a mix old stone and new in many buildings in Munich as well...and it is a strange feeling. -p On 2/13/2015 11:32 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: I just read on BBC the article about the bombing of Dresden exactly 70 years ago: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31448992 Remembering those events is important to deter repeat of such events. (Unfortunately, as the recent history shows, it is impossible to avoid those due to the loss of collective memory with the new generations.) Last May, I visited Dresden. One of the strange feelings in the old town comes from seeing old-looking building with mixed dark and bright stones. The reason for that is that many (most?) buildings in the old town have been restored from ruins, using the old, surviving stones. The newer stones have not been subjected to the weather for as long, so they are lighter in color. Actually, the building that appears on the photo taken with the fisheye lens, which was debated in another thready, is Dresden Cathedral that was also badly destroyed in that bombing. http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00794.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Cathedral For those who prefer a photo from a rectilinear lens, here it is: http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR01023.jpg And slightly corrected for the perspective (to straighten out the tower): http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR01023-2.jpg And here is day-time photo (with unfortunate vignetting in the corners due to the shade accidentally unlocking and rotating): http://42graphy.org/misc/Dresden_IR00790.jpg For those who enjoy visiting place with Google Earth or Google Maps, the coordinates of the cathedral are 51.053535,13.737464 Cheers, Igor -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
On 13/2/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 Let us raise a strong wind of studying the great Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism! I just raised a strong wind. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Digital Dark Age and Digital Vellum
I think you should differentiate between media obsolence and file format obsolence. Jostein Den 13. februar 2015 20:34:02 CET, skrev P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Recent motherboards don't even have floppy controllers built onto them and no one makes a PCI anything floppy controller add in board, so 5 1/4 floppys are dead unless you happen to have an older machine, (I have one for running my film scanner), you can still buy 3 1/2 inch USB floppy drives, but they're not 100 percent compatible with anything. In fact I think it would be easier to find something to read the paper tape than an 8 floppy. On 2/13/2015 2:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: I saw a bit of a convo between two Facebook connections with this with one disbelieving that this could be a problem. Someone, somewhere can read your old file formats, he stated confidently. I'm tempted to show him some 1 paper tape and ask him if he knows anyone who can still read that. But even relatively modern formats are effectively dead these days. How many of us could read an 8 inch MDS-80 floppy? A 5.25 CP/M or MS-DOS floppy? Even finding a PC or Mac with a 3.5 1.44M floppy on it is non-trivial lately. In a pinch I can read 3.5 floppies, but I'd have to spend a couple of hours jury-rigging something together: an old PC from the basement, running FreeBSD and networked. My late 2014 iMac came with no CD/DVD reader/burner in it. I had to buy a USB one. The digital vellum idea is kinda like VMware, so I get it and it makes sense. But printing photos works for me too since I like to see them on my walls anyway. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: Hi Team: Just thought this might be of interest given a recent thread about compatibility of DNG files on old software versions. To my mind, more importantly, it makes the case for paper :-)))—print your photos—and an even better idea is to make photo books—which with Lightroom are really fun and relatively easy to make. I’ve recently purchased some archival clam shell photo boxes for loose photos, and they’ve been working out well. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389 The solution suggested by internet guru, Vint Cerf, seems interesting enough, but printing either a single photo or photo books, should still remain a viable option for showcasing and preserving all your lovely photos—IMHO :-)!!! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
Miserere wrote: I'm with you, Cotty; I found it fugly as hell. Did they fire the K-3/5/7 designers? They are in dire straits in this situation between losing customers and potential customers over lack of an upgrade path to a Full! Frame! Sensor! and Osborneing themselves because too many people will forgo buying a K-3, or whatever top end APS camera while waiting for the FF body. I know that in many industries companies go to great lengths to hide the appearance and features of their new models. I wouldn't be surprised if this mockup was the 1.0 dummy, or they had one of their design interns take bits and pieces, where they could from other body designs, paste them all together and make something that could plausibly be a FF DSLR just so that they'd have something physical to show at CP+. I would not be at all surprised if the only similarity between this and the final product is the K-mount, and possibly the word Pentax on the front, though I wouldn't bet too heavily on the font. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Finke River
Quoting Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com: Strange looking river, maybe it has water only a few months per year? Not even that often - could be years between flood events, All of the river systems in Central Australia are ephemeral and most of the time they are reduced to a few permanent waterholes. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:46 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Australians have a pretty loose definition of river :) http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/863/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
OMG - what was I thinking!! :-) a On 2/13/2015 15:32, Bruce Walker wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: No argument at all with you there , Bruce.. we got way off the original topic... Good heavens, Ann, this is the PDML. Tangential threading is encouraged if not mandatory. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Possibly, the counter signs were all in Japanese and the representatives at the counter were no fluent English speakers. Given the date, it could have been an early production unit or very late prototype/test unit. I was not allowed to capture any images to my card, though: they had the card slot blocked. Godfrey On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:56 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You probably saw a production model not a prototype, since it actually made it to production. Here's the Luminous Landscape review, clearly stating it's a released product, though the review was posted after the camera was already withdrawn from the market. http://luminous-landscape.com/contax-n-digital-review/ of course LL is down for maintenance right now, so you'll have to read it later. On 2/13/2015 3:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The problem that stopped the Contax and MZ-D in their tracks was that Phillips was unable to manufacture the sensor to spec, on time, and in sufficient volume at the agreed upon price. The camera manufacturers dropped the project rather than renegotiate the deal because the performance was so dismal and the price would have been so high; it was a cut your losses and run situation. Sad, both cameras had a lot of promise. I ran into the Contax at a 2002 Photo Expo Tokyo while I was there, actually handled and made an exposure or two with the prototype. It was large but nicely balanced and not as heavy as it looked, beautifully finished even in prototype form. Kyocera decided to close up camera operations after that as it had been too expensive a loss and wasn't their main line of business. Pentax soldiered forth in a different direction with a smaller Sony sensor and a less ambitious body as the starting point, the *ist D. Godfrey On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:53 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The previous FF Pentax the so called MZ-D was actually out for testing, not a mockup, but hand assembled working prototypes, (there were supposedly 6 of them almost released to the wild). I expect that Pentax dropped plans for it's production because, it was only 6mp and would have cost an arm a leg and an eye, and that Canon, and Kodak both were on the verge of releasing 10 and 14mp FF cameras respectively that only cost an arm and a leg. There were also rumors that the Philips sensor it was built around was a dog, and it probably was, Contax rele3ased a similar camera using the same sensor, and it killed the brand, at least the Yashica incarnation of Contax. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Carry out the Party's policies as exactly in all aspects as the Chonji Lubricating Oil Factory did!
Hum, they must gain something in translation... On 2/13/2015 3:04 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Once again the People's Factory for the Production of Great Socialist Exclamation Marks has exceeded its quota, to the everlasting glory of Our Heroic Leader! http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31446387 B! -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Bob W-PDML wrote: I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. I've got a working time machine. I crawl into it every night, close my eyes and when I open them again I've been transported about eight hours into the future. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - good use for a film body
Quoting Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Caught this awhile back @ a camera store in Traverse City, Michigan. A Nikon film body being put to use as a doorstop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963887 Sacrilege! Couldn't they have just used a brick (and I'm not talking Argus). -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
I was always more taken by the original 6x7 looks, the 67II looks too blccky, on the other hand I'd much rather own a 67II for the functionality. On 2/13/2015 5:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: What in the world is ugly about it? That prism housing remind me of a Stealth Fighter: http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Attack/F117BankingHardLeft10oClock.jpg It is only slightly taller, and I think the design has elements that are reminiscent of the 67ii. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kzfuedKIvUE/UeAdYidR0II/AWg/X12hlC4eEto/s1600/SDIM1197_2.jpg In any event, either some of you refuse to be happy with anything or you are going to be like those people who absolutely HATE that new song the first time they hear it, but it ends up sticking in your head and becoming one of your All Time Favorites, in time. :) -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Full Frame Confused
I don't care what it looks like if it fits my hand and is hefty enough to balance substantial glass. I doubt that I'll be an early adapter, but I suspect some of my clients will like those huge files, so I'll be on board at some point. And I can't resist new toys. Paul via phone On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Miserere wrote: I'm with you, Cotty; I found it fugly as hell. Did they fire the K-3/5/7 designers? Odd. I really like the look of the new camera. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - good use for a film body
Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Caught this awhile back @ a camera store in Traverse City, Michigan. A Nikon film body being put to use as a doorstop. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963887 Sacrilege! Couldn't they have just used a brick (and I'm not talking Argus). A brick probably wouldn't be as sturdy. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset
Completely unique range of sky colors. Can that green be healthy to breath? ;) Where was your dinner table? Jack - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:52:20 PM Subject: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset Taken from our dinner table this evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965887size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: A Bit Of Shade
You can see why some of the farms in Australia are the size of small nations... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/867/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fishy Nanotech
Thanks Attila, Dan, and Bruce! Rick On Feb 13, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Attila Boros wrote: I much prefer this vantage point, like it a lot better than the previous version. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: The nanotechnology building, through the 10-17 fisheye: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964476size=lg Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An artists rendition of what a finished FF Pentax may look like.
Larry Colen wrote: Bob W-PDML wrote: I seem to remember Pentax showing a mockup or prototype before, which never actually hit the streets. I could show a mockup of a time machine, doesn't mean I'll ever be able to travel forward to 2525 to watch Cotty eat his hat when the camera is available in whatever passes for shops then. That's why I want him to eat it now, on credit so to speak. I've got a working time machine. I crawl into it every night, close my eyes and when I open them again I've been transported about eight hours into the future. As anyone who's read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy knows, the time machine, by definition, was invented at *all* points in history. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Cold and Bleak
The temperature was around 15° F when I took this photo today. So cold that a number of images I tried to capture were less than successful due to my intense desire to return to the warmth of the car. I tried a number of different renderings but the original color seems to convey the feeling of winter. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20---%20%20coldandbleak.html Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax A 24mm f2.8. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A Bit Of Shade
Looks like West Texas, but more fertile. On 2/13/2015 10:49 PM, David Mann wrote: You can see why some of the farms in Australia are the size of small nations... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/867/#peso Cheers, Dave -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 5 Palms Sunset
That's amazing and gorgeous... (I'm guessing the place you are is called 5 palms.) Want a weather channel guy to tell us the name of that kind of cloud formation. ann On 2/13/2015 17:04, John wrote: On 2/13/2015 2:52 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Taken from our dinner table this evening: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17965887size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola Beautiful cloud formations, but no palms? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Gracie's Art
Grace has been working in Adobe Fireworks. She’s taught herself to dreate graphics with it, even using layers. She made this wolf graphis. The background was snatched from the web, and she started the wolf drawing with a series of circles that were meant to be a framework on which to draw an animal. But she’s doing pretty darn well for someone without any training. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966519size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Need your opinion - Square in Dresden from seafood perspective
Bruce, From the person who recently posted Fishy Nanotech: I like it. I like the way the swirl of tram tracks and paving stones draw the eye to the building, and I like what the fisheye does to show the context of the subject.' I also think it could benefit from more post-processing, to bring out the building more, and get more color and detail in the sky. I might trim a few rows of paving stones off the foreground, too. Compositionally, I think I would might aimed the camera higher, to include more sky and fewer paving stones, and to decrease the distortion of the church towers. But generally, I like it. Cheers, Rick (whose wife asks herself =why= she got him a fisheye lens...) http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Nanotech Study
Or, nano-student in the tera-building. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17964475size=lg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gracie's Art
My! That's great! Not really clear on The process, but I'm still impressed. Tell her so, Paul. Jack Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Grace has been working in Adobe Fireworks. She’s taught herself to dreate graphics with it, even using layers. She made this wolf graphis. The background was snatched from the web, and she started the wolf drawing with a series of circles that were meant to be a framework on which to draw an animal. But she’s doing pretty darn well for someone without any training. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966519size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gracie's Art
The kid has talent! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Grace has been working in Adobe Fireworks. She’s taught herself to dreate graphics with it, even using layers. She made this wolf graphis. The background was snatched from the web, and she started the wolf drawing with a series of circles that were meant to be a framework on which to draw an animal. But she’s doing pretty darn well for someone without any training. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17966519size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: A Delegation From Canberra
Again, lacking slightly in quality (photographed through double-glazing from a moving train and cropped quite heavily), but I just couldn't resist the title. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/866/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
