Re: Geso: Oars boats and surroundings.

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/11/15, Donald Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Along with the thread Dan has been working this summer we had a version 
>of boat crewing here. The crews are mostly ad hoc volunteers and are 
>fueled by beer. They race three boats at a time; the stroke led by a 
>drummer. My eye wandered a few time to the spectators & the flora/fauna. 
>Comments welcomed.
>This is a new site for me using Adobe and is part of creative cloud 
>package. Let me know if you have problems. You do not need an Adobe ID, 
>if it asks.
>
>http://adobe.ly/1XcWNgH

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Jack Davis]

I think you misspelled it, Larry. 8-)

J

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PESO - Christmas Imagined

[frank theriault]

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/christmas-imagined.html

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Re: PESO - Christmas Imagined

[Paul Stenquist]

At least this guy knows fur: a raccoon and a fox. Both are problematic pests. I 
don't know if that means we should wear them, but each to their own.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:12 PM, frank theriault  wrote:
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> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/christmas-imagined.html
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Jack Davis]

Would what be purrin?

J

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> 
>> On November 24, 2015 3:17:04 PM PST, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> I think you misspelled it, Larry. 8-)
> 
> Would that be purrin' ?
>> 
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>> 
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 Yeah! Even the painful ones.
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Paul Stenquist]

This thread was a lot more interesting when it was about politics. Now it's 
three times as long and largely nonsensical. Not that I want to see political 
posts.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> Would what be purrin?
> 
> J
> 
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>> 
>> 
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>>> wrote:
>>> I think you misspelled it, Larry. 8-)
>> 
>> Would that be purrin' ?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Larry Colen]

Jack Davis wrote:

Yeah! Even the painful ones.


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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[ann sanfedele]

It took me a while to figure out that the photo is of the head of a dog 
next to a pup that looks like a german shepard, or a mix
and her pup...possibly supposed to be a wolf?  certainly not a fox, 
mink, sable, etc. animals that would not be harvested for fur garments..
so what doesn't work so well (regardless of which side of the arguement 
you are on ) is that the poster maker appears not to have known
what animals are used in making fur garments... and sadly that the 
protester is probably clueless in that regard as well...


I don't think there are 47,000 doggies trapped annually

From a compositional point of view only, I'd like it to be less tightly 

cropped..

ann

On 11/24/2015 2:58 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Very good photojournalism, Frank.

Rick
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:47 PM, knarf  wrote:

Thank you for actually commenting on the photo!  LOL!

Much appreciated.

:-)

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 2:10:04 PM EST, Bulent Celasun  
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Her expression fits the subject.
The composition summarizes the event faithfully.
Overall, an effective documentary image.

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2015-11-24 2:43 GMT+02:00 frank theriault :

As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in

front

of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group

was

protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:

I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
kind of sums it up:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html

Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Larry Colen]

On November 24, 2015 3:17:04 PM PST, Jack Davis  wrote:
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Would that be purrin' ?
>
>J
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

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We can pun for unity with impunity

> On 24 Nov 2015, at 14:51, Rick Womer  wrote:
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> And puns. Photography and puns.
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> Photography unites us.
>> 
>> Politics divides us.
>> 
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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[Rick Womer]

Very good photojournalism, Frank.

Rick
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:47 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Thank you for actually commenting on the photo!  LOL!
>
> Much appreciated.
>
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On November 24, 2015 2:10:04 PM EST, Bulent Celasun 
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>>Her expression fits the subject.
>>The composition summarizes the event faithfully.
>>Overall, an effective documentary image.
>>
>>Bulent
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>>2015-11-24 2:43 GMT+02:00 frank theriault :
>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in
>>front
>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group
>>was
>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:
>>>
>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
>>> kind of sums it up:
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>>>
>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
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Geso: Oars boats and surroundings.

[Donald Guthrie]

Along with the thread Dan has been working this summer we had a version 
of boat crewing here. The crews are mostly ad hoc volunteers and are 
fueled by beer. They race three boats at a time; the stroke led by a 
drummer. My eye wandered a few time to the spectators & the flora/fauna. 
Comments welcomed.
This is a new site for me using Adobe and is part of creative cloud 
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Bob W-PDML]

On 24 Nov 2015, at 12:21, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an exception for 
>>> Barack...
>> 
>> If you want him, he will become available soon,
> 
> Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government 
> unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.
> 

As many as that?

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>Pentax, Photography, puns and pcats (the p is silent).

I love talking about Pentax, photography and puns, but talking about
cats is even more divisive than talking about politics. Us doggy folk
can't stand all those silly cat pictures.  


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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[knarf]

Thank you for actually commenting on the photo!  LOL!

Much appreciated.

:-)

Cheers, 

frank

On November 24, 2015 2:10:04 PM EST, Bulent Celasun  
wrote:
>Her expression fits the subject.
>The composition summarizes the event faithfully.
>Overall, an effective documentary image.
>
>Bulent
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>
>2015-11-24 2:43 GMT+02:00 frank theriault :
>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in
>front
>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group
>was
>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:
>>
>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
>> kind of sums it up:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>>
>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>>
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Ken Waller]

You probably meant phelines.


-Original Message-
>From: Bruce Walker 
>Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!
>
>And cats.
>
>Pentax, Photography, puns and pcats (the p is silent).
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> And Pentax.
>>
>> Pentax, Photography and puns.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>>From: Rick Womer 
>>>Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!
>>>
>>>And puns. Photography and puns.
>>>http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
 Photography unites us.

 Politics divides us.

 There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
 there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.

 Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.

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Dec Pug

[Donald Guthrie]

Just sent mine in thanks for the nudge, Brian. Wasn't sure about the 
theme so I just shot it straight-up.


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Re: Geso: Oars boats and surroundings.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

VERY interesting, Don.  Thanks for sharing.

It seems to me that those boats are canoes, and that they are paddled,
like the outrigger canoes we use in Maui, rather than being rowed,
like the shells in my images from Dartmouth.  The two forms of
propulsion look very similar from shore, but are actually quite
different.  Especially with the sliding seats used on racing shells,
rowing gets most of its power from leg and back muscles, while
paddling is all upper body work.

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> Along with the thread Dan has been working this summer we had a version of
> boat crewing here. The crews are mostly ad hoc volunteers and are fueled by
> beer. They race three boats at a time; the stroke led by a drummer. My eye
> wandered a few time to the spectators & the flora/fauna. Comments welcomed.
> This is a new site for me using Adobe and is part of creative cloud package.
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>
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Matthew Hunt]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> You probably meant phelines.

I knew there was a word for "cat" that started with "P."

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

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On 24 Nov 2015, at 18:29, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 24/11/15, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.
> 
> Bloody hell Rick - you little revolutionary you!
> 

They all start out like that but before you know it they all turn into 
Robespierre. We can avoid all that Terror if we have him taken outside and shot 
right now, along with all his supporters.

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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[Alan C]

What about your leather shoes? And what is a native?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: knarf

Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor

You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say Holt 
Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very specific 
statement you made.


That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim. There's 
every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And even if 
there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally about, 
the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry as a 
whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold.


Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the protest 
for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or 
inconsistencies?


By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" card! Now if 
we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken treaties and 
give back stolen lands.


BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or even 
trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian fur 
farms. Just so you know...



Cheers,

frank




On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
 wrote:

They were protesting a store, Frank.  What does this site have to do
with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate stores
that PETA demonstrates against?

Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that can
be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by native
peoples,  Preserving their traditional life style is more important.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf 
wrote:

http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/

Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur industry...

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"

 wrote:

No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John  wrote:

I think that's wolf fur.


On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.


Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:


As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in

front

of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights

group

was

protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells

it:


I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then,

this

kind of sums it up:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html

Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

cheers,

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/11/15, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.

Bloody hell Rick - you little revolutionary you!

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Jack Davis]

As in swimming?

J

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>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> And Pentax.
>> 
>> Pentax, Photography and puns.
>> 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rick Womer 
>>> Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!
>>> 
>>> And puns. Photography and puns.
>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
 Photography unites us.
 
 Politics divides us.
 
 There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
 there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.
 
 Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.
 
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Questionable thread, Daniel!

I did not say anything political about the president;  I only noted
that he will soon be available, ass his second term is nearing the
end, and he can not run again.


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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Bill  wrote:
> Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government
> unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.

As recent events demonstrate, we get that no matter whom we elect.

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Ken Waller]

And Pentax.

Pentax, Photography and puns.




-Original Message-
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>Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!
>
>And puns. Photography and puns.
>http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
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>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> Photography unites us.
>>
>> Politics divides us.
>>
>> There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
>> there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.
>>
>> Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.
>>
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PESO: Faceoff

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18132718=lg
K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 zoom
Comments invited

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Jack Davis]

Yeah! Even the painful ones.

J

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>> Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!
>> 
>> And puns. Photography and puns.
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> Photography unites us.
>>> 
>>> Politics divides us.
>>> 
>>> There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
>>> there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.
>>> 
>>> Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.
>>> 
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Jack Davis]

Where did you get idea I was referencing your comments about 
Obama?? 
You need to start listening to yourself
before you speak.

J


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>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> 
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> that he will soon be available, ass his second term is nearing the
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I did not think you were addressing anything I said;  I was merely
responding to the tenor of the thread.

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> Obama??
> You need to start listening to yourself
> before you speak.
>
> J
>
>
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>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> Questionable thread, Daniel!
>>
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>> that he will soon be available, ass his second term is nearing the
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

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And cats.

Pentax, Photography, puns and pcats (the p is silent).


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>>http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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Re: So how did I do THIS? Every JPEG looks like different processing...

[John]

Ok, so SWAG - it's bracketing white balance.

On 11/23/2015 2:26 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Well, here is a screenshot of a section of the JPEGs that will give you an idea:

http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/randomPost.png



On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:12 PM, John  wrote:

On 11/22/2015 1:13 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


Yesterday I enjoyed a little photo safari and then, hearing that a
group of Whooping Cranes did not take off as expected on Saturday I
raced down to Thayer County to try to get to see them before sundown.

Somewhere along the line I accidentally changed some setting (not
through the menus) and after that point each JPEG produced looked
different than the one before, but each was some sort of extreme
in-camera post-processing. I could almost understand it they were all
ONE sort of post-processing (like cross-processing) but they were each
different.

I was shooting in RAW+ so the JPEGs are pretty irrelevant (didn't LOSE
anything because of the error, but still annoying).

What in the heck did I do so I can avoid doing it again? Any ideas?



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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[Bulent Celasun]

Her expression fits the subject.
The composition summarizes the event faithfully.
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2015-11-24 2:43 GMT+02:00 frank theriault :
> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in front
> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group was
> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:
>
> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
> kind of sums it up:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>
> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
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Re: Has anyone tried the Acon r-930 wireless flash trigger?

[John]

On 11/23/2015 9:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

http://acon-photo.com/

I just ran across reference to it on the facebook pentaxian group, one
of the members did a video review of it:
://www.facebook.com/201661306571889/videos/1001833063221372/




I downloaded the PDF user manual, even though it was really difficult.
The link right there on the page wouldn't do anything, so I had to dig
through the website until I found a download link that would work.

I've only read through it three times so far, and I'm not sure if it's
inscrutable or just incomprehensible.

Why don't you give them a try and let us know how they work?

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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[frank theriault]

Hi Ann,

I am quite certain that's a coyote. They look a lot like German
Shephards - at least facially.

Here's a Coyote that lives in the lakeside park near my place:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/02/coyote-beautiful.html

Coyotes are often grey or brown.

According to:

http://www.respectforanimals.co.uk/facts-and-reports/statistics/103/

47,340 is the total number of coyote pelts (presumably combined trap
and ranched) that Canada "produced" in 2,009, the last year reliable
figures were available.

As for the composition, thanks for your thoughts. I have many more
that are wider, I felt that the tight shot on this one added impact.

I'll post another one tonight. Perhaps you'll like that one more.  :-)

Thanks for taking the time to comment!

cheers,

frank

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 6:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> It took me a while to figure out that the photo is of the head of a dog next
> to a pup that looks like a german shepard, or a mix
> and her pup...possibly supposed to be a wolf?  certainly not a fox, mink,
> sable, etc. animals that would not be harvested for fur garments..
> so what doesn't work so well (regardless of which side of the arguement you
> are on ) is that the poster maker appears not to have known
> what animals are used in making fur garments... and sadly that the protester
> is probably clueless in that regard as well...
>
> I don't think there are 47,000 doggies trapped annually
>
> From a compositional point of view only, I'd like it to be less tightly
> cropped..
>
> ann
>
>
> On 11/24/2015 2:58 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>> Very good photojournalism, Frank.
>>
>> Rick
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:47 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for actually commenting on the photo!  LOL!
>>>
>>> Much appreciated.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>> On November 24, 2015 2:10:04 PM EST, Bulent Celasun
>>>  wrote:

 Her expression fits the subject.
 The composition summarizes the event faithfully.
 Overall, an effective documentary image.

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 2015-11-24 2:43 GMT+02:00 frank theriault :
>
> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in

 front
>
> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group

 was
>
> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:
>
> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
> kind of sums it up:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>
> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
>
>
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Re: PESO - Christmas Imagined

[knarf]

I'm not sure who doesn't know fur. The protesters I talked to seemed very 
knowledgeable. 

I don't find either racoons or foxes to be pests. I got to know a mom 'coon and 
her kits this summer. It was fun watching the little ones grow. My only regret 
is my low-iso dinosaur couldn't capture them. Tried a flash once but they 
didn't like it.

Thanks for the comment, Paul. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 7:20:32 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>At least this guy knows fur: a raccoon and a fox. Both are problematic
>pests. I don't know if that means we should wear them, but each to
>their own.
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:12 PM, frank theriault
> wrote:
>> 
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/christmas-imagined.html
>> 
>> Comments always encouraged. Hope you enjoy.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[ann sanfedele]

oh a  Coyote!  - . missing the color and just seeing the head  I didn't 
recognize himor add him to who I thought the canine might be..
I've photographed themin Alaska , kind of made friends with one there.. 
and also in the snow at Yellowstone back in 1989 too.

Don't have any on the computer ...

That's anice shot of the oneliving near you.

They are making quite a strong appearance in NYC actually these days, 
not so exotic...


Had no idea they were ever used for fur though... just thought that
farmers and ranchers were after them because the coyotes were killing 
their stock ... of course it makes sense ..


ann

On 11/24/2015 6:52 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Hi Ann,

I am quite certain that's a coyote. They look a lot like German
Shephards - at least facially.

Here's a Coyote that lives in the lakeside park near my place:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/02/coyote-beautiful.html

Coyotes are often grey or brown.

According to:

http://www.respectforanimals.co.uk/facts-and-reports/statistics/103/

47,340 is the total number of coyote pelts (presumably combined trap
and ranched) that Canada "produced" in 2,009, the last year reliable
figures were available.

As for the composition, thanks for your thoughts. I have many more
that are wider, I felt that the tight shot on this one added impact.

I'll post another one tonight. Perhaps you'll like that one more.  :-)

Thanks for taking the time to comment!

cheers,

frank

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 6:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

It took me a while to figure out that the photo is of the head of a dog next
to a pup that looks like a german shepard, or a mix
and her pup...possibly supposed to be a wolf?  certainly not a fox, mink,
sable, etc. animals that would not be harvested for fur garments..
so what doesn't work so well (regardless of which side of the arguement you
are on ) is that the poster maker appears not to have known
what animals are used in making fur garments... and sadly that the protester
is probably clueless in that regard as well...

I don't think there are 47,000 doggies trapped annually

 From a compositional point of view only, I'd like it to be less tightly
cropped..

ann


On 11/24/2015 2:58 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Very good photojournalism, Frank.

Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:47 PM, knarf  wrote:

Thank you for actually commenting on the photo!  LOL!

Much appreciated.

:-)

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 2:10:04 PM EST, Bulent Celasun
 wrote:

Her expression fits the subject.
The composition summarizes the event faithfully.
Overall, an effective documentary image.

Bulent
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2015-11-24 2:43 GMT+02:00 frank theriault :

As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in

front

of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group

was

protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:

I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
kind of sums it up:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html

Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Christmas Imagined

[ann sanfedele]

Actually - while I personally am fond of racoons they can carry rabbies 
, as can foxes... so one needs to be careful if they seem too tame.


They have been very pesty indeed in New York -  in Brooklyn - the 
neighborhood called Park Slope.. getting into peoples apartments
and having fun destroying stuff in addition to garden desturction... 
havent heard so much about it this past year..
I know this from the news and from the personal experience of a friend 
wholives there and her neighbors.


ann

On 11/24/2015 7:33 PM, knarf wrote:

I'm not sure who doesn't know fur. The protesters I talked to seemed very 
knowledgeable.

I don't find either racoons or foxes to be pests. I got to know a mom 'coon and 
her kits this summer. It was fun watching the little ones grow. My only regret 
is my low-iso dinosaur couldn't capture them. Tried a flash once but they 
didn't like it.

Thanks for the comment, Paul.

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 7:20:32 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:

At least this guy knows fur: a raccoon and a fox. Both are problematic
pests. I don't know if that means we should wear them, but each to
their own.

Paul via phone


On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:12 PM, frank theriault

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http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/christmas-imagined.html

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Re: The styling division

[Bill]

On 11/24/2015 9:23 AM, Collin B wrote:

Looks like the styling section has picked on something.
I like the "barrel" (or "can") styling of the newer long lenses as opposed
to the  conical shape usually associated with them.
It's easy to do a barrel with a slow lens but the 70-200/2.8 reminds me of
the Sony barrels.
http://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/d-fa/hd-pentax-d-fa70-200mm-f2-8ed-dc-aw
-wcase/





It makes for a large feeling lens as well. I handled one a couple of 
months ago at a dog and pony show the local pusher was hosting. I'm sure 
it's a good lens, but I didn't find it to be a comfortable lens.



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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Bill]

On 11/24/2015 7:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:


three times as long and largely nonsensical.


And that, folks, is what sets the PDML apart from all other so-called
Pentax resources.



You've never read Rice High, have you?
Lordy, I miss Who. He could string nonsense together like nobody's business.
I wonder if Who is actually Rice High?

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> three times as long and largely nonsensical.

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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

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Over the years I've come to like Bill, but I do wish he would exercise more 
self control.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> And just when I was pretty sure that my opinion of the sot could go no lower.
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>> The N word? Really Bill??
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
 On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Bill  wrote:
 
> On 11/24/2015 7:51 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Bill 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf
>>  wrote:
>>> I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an
>>> exception for Barack...
>> 
>> If you want him, he will become available soon,
> 
> Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government
> unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.
 
 Romney is certainly among the top 1% of Americans in personal wealth,
 but he has a history of charitable works and support of the
 downtrodden. To say he is “for the 1%” denies his history. As an
 equity fund partner he was involved in some takeovers and mergers
 that provided mud-slinging opportunities for the Obama campaign, but
 Romney's personal life has been exemplary and he contributes vast
 sums to a wide range of charities. Most importantly, he doesn’t
 suffer the ego problems and pettiness that have plagued Obama and
 probably would have made a good president. His record of success
 speaks for itself.
>>> 
>>> His 47% comment put me off. Politics is a blood sport, but once a person is 
>>> elected, they have to drop that partisanship and be everyone's leader.
>>> The other side of that is we have to accept that in a democracy, we don't 
>>> always get our way, and when a person is elected, they need to be accepted 
>>> as leader to be able to do their jobs.
>>> In this, conservatives have failed miserably, and your country has paid the 
>>> price.
>>> 
>>> I think Obama has tried to do that better than Romney would have, Romney 
>>> pretty much said he wouldn't bother, but this isn't to say Obama has tried 
>>> all that hard, and he certainly hasn't been successful at it.
>>> With all the go back to Kenya and the put the White back into the White 
>>> House memes along with the nigger baiting that the far right has done, I'm 
>>> not sure trying harder would have done him any good.
>>> 
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Re: PESO - Christmas Imagined

[ann sanfedele]

Terrific shot...geometry enhancing the message -  the figure in the 
window, the fox looking as if he wondered what the police guy was doing...
(in addition to the obvious) and more effective than the other one in 
driving the point home..


ann

On 11/24/2015 7:12 PM, frank theriault wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/christmas-imagined.html

Comments always encouraged. Hope you enjoy.

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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Darren Addy]

And just when I was pretty sure that my opinion of the sot could go no lower.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> The N word? Really Bill??
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/24/2015 7:51 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>>
 On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Bill 
 wrote:

> On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf
>  wrote:
>> I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an
>> exception for Barack...
>
> If you want him, he will become available soon,

 Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government
 unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.
>>>
>>> Romney is certainly among the top 1% of Americans in personal wealth,
>>> but he has a history of charitable works and support of the
>>> downtrodden. To say he is “for the 1%” denies his history. As an
>>> equity fund partner he was involved in some takeovers and mergers
>>> that provided mud-slinging opportunities for the Obama campaign, but
>>> Romney's personal life has been exemplary and he contributes vast
>>> sums to a wide range of charities. Most importantly, he doesn’t
>>> suffer the ego problems and pettiness that have plagued Obama and
>>> probably would have made a good president. His record of success
>>> speaks for itself.
>>
>> His 47% comment put me off. Politics is a blood sport, but once a person is 
>> elected, they have to drop that partisanship and be everyone's leader.
>> The other side of that is we have to accept that in a democracy, we don't 
>> always get our way, and when a person is elected, they need to be accepted 
>> as leader to be able to do their jobs.
>> In this, conservatives have failed miserably, and your country has paid the 
>> price.
>>
>> I think Obama has tried to do that better than Romney would have, Romney 
>> pretty much said he wouldn't bother, but this isn't to say Obama has tried 
>> all that hard, and he certainly hasn't been successful at it.
>> With all the go back to Kenya and the put the White back into the White 
>> House memes along with the nigger baiting that the far right has done, I'm 
>> not sure trying harder would have done him any good.
>>
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Bill]

On 11/24/2015 7:51 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:



On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Bill 
wrote:

On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf
 wrote:

I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an
exception for Barack...


If you want him, he will become available soon,


Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government
unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.


Romney is certainly among the top 1% of Americans in personal wealth,
but he has a history of charitable works and support of the
downtrodden. To say he is “for the 1%” denies his history. As an
equity fund partner he was involved in some takeovers and mergers
that provided mud-slinging opportunities for the Obama campaign, but
Romney's personal life has been exemplary and he contributes vast
sums to a wide range of charities. Most importantly, he doesn’t
suffer the ego problems and pettiness that have plagued Obama and
probably would have made a good president. His record of success
speaks for itself.


His 47% comment put me off. Politics is a blood sport, but once a person 
is elected, they have to drop that partisanship and be everyone's leader.
The other side of that is we have to accept that in a democracy, we 
don't always get our way, and when a person is elected, they need to be 
accepted as leader to be able to do their jobs.
In this, conservatives have failed miserably, and your country has paid 
the price.


I think Obama has tried to do that better than Romney would have, Romney 
pretty much said he wouldn't bother, but this isn't to say Obama has 
tried all that hard, and he certainly hasn't been successful at it.
With all the go back to Kenya and the put the White back into the White 
House memes along with the nigger baiting that the far right has done, 
I'm not sure trying harder would have done him any good.



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discounted sample kit from RedRiver

[Igor PDML-StR]

I know that some PDMLers are using Red River papers.

There is a special order for the sample kit of 23 different papers for 
only $4.99 and free shipping (or at least it is free within Texas).

http://goo.gl/89xljX

However, note that you can not use this 8.5"x11" (Letter) size paper for 
8.5"x11" prints. This arrogant company insists on printing the paper name 
on the _front_ side of the paper (and does not say that explicitly for 
this sample kit).


So, if you can cut it and can use [up-to] 8"x10" paper for something, - 
this could be a good opportunity to sample their 8"x10" papers at a low 
cost. Otherwise, you can use it for checking the calibration color profile.
Or, if all what you do with paper is just staring at it, you can "sample" 
it that way.

Caveat Emtpor!


Cheers,

Igor


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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[John]

Our four ... no ... amongst our weapons ... amongst our weaponry are 
such elements as ...


On 11/24/2015 3:13 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

You probably meant phelines.


-Original Message-

From: Bruce Walker 
Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

And cats.

Pentax, Photography, puns and pcats (the p is silent).


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

And Pentax.

Pentax, Photography and puns.




-Original Message-

From: Rick Womer 
Subject: Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

And puns. Photography and puns.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Photography unites us.

Politics divides us.

There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.

Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.

Rick






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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[John]

I think that's wolf fur.


On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:

As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in front
of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group was
protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:

I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
kind of sums it up:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html

Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.

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Coyotes and fur

[Paul Stenquist]

Allow the populations of raccoons and foxes to go unchecked and you’ll soon see 
how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies are in short supply, 
so management is necessary. The trappers provide that, and the numbers that can 
be harvested are strictly regulated. 

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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

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The N word? Really Bill??

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/24/2015 7:51 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Bill 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf
  wrote:
> I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an
> exception for Barack...
 
 If you want him, he will become available soon,
>>> 
>>> Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government
>>> unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.
>> 
>> Romney is certainly among the top 1% of Americans in personal wealth,
>> but he has a history of charitable works and support of the
>> downtrodden. To say he is “for the 1%” denies his history. As an
>> equity fund partner he was involved in some takeovers and mergers
>> that provided mud-slinging opportunities for the Obama campaign, but
>> Romney's personal life has been exemplary and he contributes vast
>> sums to a wide range of charities. Most importantly, he doesn’t
>> suffer the ego problems and pettiness that have plagued Obama and
>> probably would have made a good president. His record of success
>> speaks for itself.
> 
> His 47% comment put me off. Politics is a blood sport, but once a person is 
> elected, they have to drop that partisanship and be everyone's leader.
> The other side of that is we have to accept that in a democracy, we don't 
> always get our way, and when a person is elected, they need to be accepted as 
> leader to be able to do their jobs.
> In this, conservatives have failed miserably, and your country has paid the 
> price.
> 
> I think Obama has tried to do that better than Romney would have, Romney 
> pretty much said he wouldn't bother, but this isn't to say Obama has tried 
> all that hard, and he certainly hasn't been successful at it.
> With all the go back to Kenya and the put the White back into the White House 
> memes along with the nigger baiting that the far right has done, I'm not sure 
> trying harder would have done him any good.
> 
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Rick Womer]

Purrin is a springtime Jewish holiday. Irrelevant to the current discussion.



On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Would what be purrin?
> 
> J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 24, 2015 3:17:04 PM PST, Jack Davis  
>>> wrote:
>>> I think you misspelled it, Larry. 8-)
>> 
>> Would that be purrin' ?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
 
 
 
 Jack Davis wrote:
> Yeah! Even the painful ones.
 
 The internet is for purn.
 
 
 
 
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PESO - Endangered Species

[Rick Womer]

Move over, Alan C!  I also recently photographed an endangered species, in the 
wilds of Vancouver:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18132863

That's right! A brick-and-mortar camera shop advertising Pentax and Ricoh; 
=and= with the K-S2, K-3, and K-3II on display, along with at least a dozen 
lenses.

Bigfoot next!

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Re: PESO - Endangered Species

[knarf]

It's Canada. We're always 30 years behind the times. Now where's my Backstreet 
Boys cassette again?

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 9:58:12 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>Move over, Alan C!  I also recently photographed an endangered species,
>in the wilds of Vancouver:
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18132863
>
>That's right! A brick-and-mortar camera shop advertising Pentax and
>Ricoh; =and= with the K-S2, K-3, and K-3II on display, along with at
>least a dozen lenses.
>
>Bigfoot next!
>
>Rick

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Re: Coyotes and fur

[knarf]

"Harvested"?

They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 9:37:25 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>Allow the populations of raccoons and foxes to go unchecked and you’ll
>soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies are
>in short supply, so management is necessary. The trappers provide that,
>and the numbers that can be harvested are strictly regulated. 
>
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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Paul Stenquist]

They're dangerous pests, and their numbers have to be controlled. A hungry 
coyote killed a toddler here in Michigan last year. The harvest accomplishes 
some measure of population control. Broccoli, by the way is harmless.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> "Harvested"?
> 
> They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Pentax D FA * 70-200/2.8

[Igor PDML-StR]

Darren:

Yes, I realize it is not sold by Amazon, sorry, I wasn't more clear about 
it. I actually looked for other sellers, including Amazon itself 
yesterday, but somehow I missed those two that you mentioned.


And yes, it probably makes sense that this lens could be released earlier 
in Japan.



Collin:
Yep, thanks for the explanation.
I actually knew about these three AF options.
I didn't know what DC in this case stands for, but I didn't expect it
to be "direct current" (and hence my comment about it).
I thought it was a mistake in translation, but it looks like this term
is actually used in the "official" descriptions. I hadn't see it before, 
but now I see it in B descriptions.
I am still puzzled buy this term though: I am not aware of any AC being 
used in cameras; so, all electric motors are using DC.


Igor



Tue Nov 24 10:01:03 EST 2015 Collin B wrote:


That listing has an interesting "product highlight":
"Direct Current AF"...
Ghm... As opposed to AC-AF? ;-)


Pentax has 3 AF systems.  The original gear drive, SDM, and DC.
It's DC as opposed to the other two.
IIRC, they have maintained a single interface to power both DC & SDM -- 
the

old PZ connectors.






On Tue, 24 Nov 2015, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




I just noticed that Amazon has it listed already (with a Dec.28, 2015 in 
stock date).

I haven't heard much said about this lens...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T70TPQO/
$3,880.   Ouch!

Although I see one listed @B:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1117718-REG/pentax_21330_hd_pentax_d_fa.html
for a much smaller amount: $2300, but available on Feb.25, 2016.

That listing has an interesting "product highlight":
"Direct Current AF"...
Ghm... As opposed to AC-AF? ;-)

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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Paul Stenquist]

Would you hesitate to swat a mosquito that lands on your arm? It's a sentient 
animal and far less destructive than a coyote.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> "Harvested"?
> 
> They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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> 
>> On November 24, 2015 9:37:25 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
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>> soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies are
>> in short supply, so management is necessary. The trappers provide that,
>> and the numbers that can be harvested are strictly regulated. 
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Jack Davis]

OH!

J

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> On Nov 24, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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> Purrin is a springtime Jewish holiday. Irrelevant to the current discussion.
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>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> Would what be purrin?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On November 24, 2015 3:17:04 PM PST, Jack Davis  
 wrote:
 I think you misspelled it, Larry. 8-)
>>> 
>>> Would that be purrin' ?
 
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>> Yeah! Even the painful ones.
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OT - Happy Birthday Lucy!

[knarf]

You got some 'splainin' to do!

http://time.com/4126011/lucy-australopithecus-discovery/

I need some good news and this is pretty cool stuff. Lucy is 41 today. Happy 
birthday, Lucy!

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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[Daniel J. Matyola]

No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John  wrote:
> I think that's wolf fur.
>
>
> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.
>>
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in front
>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group was
>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:
>>>
>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
>>> kind of sums it up:
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>>>
>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>>
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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[knarf]

http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/

Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur industry...

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
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>No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.
>
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>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John  wrote:
>> I think that's wolf fur.
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:

 As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in
>front
 of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group
>was
 protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:

 I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
 kind of sums it up:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html

 Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
 around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY! (for Dan)

[Alan C]

Another silly Cat photo.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/23208691451/

Taken at Sedgefield, Eastern Cape in 2009.

Alan C

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Pentax, Photography, puns and pcats (the p is silent).


I love talking about Pentax, photography and puns, but talking about
cats is even more divisive than talking about politics. Us doggy folk
can't stand all those silly cat pictures.  


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Re: Coyotes and fur

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We can control populations other ways than killing them.

Besides, you've very neatly shifted the issue from the inhumane trapping and 
"ranching" of mammals for the fur industry to pest elimination. I can assure 
you that few, if any, "culled" varmints end up as fur coats or trim.

We'll played but it won't work with me.

Cheers,

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>They're dangerous pests, and their numbers have to be controlled. A
>hungry coyote killed a toddler here in Michigan last year. The harvest
>accomplishes some measure of population control. Broccoli, by the way
>is harmless.
>
>Paul via phone
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>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:
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>> "Harvested"?
>> 
>> They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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>> 
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>you’ll
>>> soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>are
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>that,
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>>> 
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Re: Coyotes and fur

[knarf]

No hesitation on my part. I don't swat. She gets her meal and she's gone. She 
has rights, too.

And I believe your information may be inaccurate. Mosquitos are responsible for 
millions of malaria deaths. 

Cheers,

frank

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>
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>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:
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>> "Harvested"?
>> 
>> They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On November 24, 2015 9:37:25 PM EST, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
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>you’ll
>>> soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>are
>>> in short supply, so management is necessary. The trappers provide
>that,
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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Alan C]

Have you hugged any trees today?

Alan C

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We can control populations other ways than killing them.

Besides, you've very neatly shifted the issue from the inhumane trapping and 
"ranching" of mammals for the fur industry to pest elimination. I can assure 
you that few, if any, "culled" varmints end up as fur coats or trim.


We'll played but it won't work with me.

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 10:14:12 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
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They're dangerous pests, and their numbers have to be controlled. A
hungry coyote killed a toddler here in Michigan last year. The harvest
accomplishes some measure of population control. Broccoli, by the way
is harmless.

Paul via phone


On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:

"Harvested"?

They're sentient animals, not broccoli.

Cheers,

frank


On November 24, 2015 9:37:25 PM EST, Paul Stenquist

 wrote:

Allow the populations of raccoons and foxes to go unchecked and

you’ll

soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies

are

in short supply, so management is necessary. The trappers provide

that,

and the numbers that can be harvested are strictly regulated.

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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Bill]

On 11/24/2015 9:49 PM, knarf wrote:

We can control populations other ways than killing them.




Show them the word of God and tell them not to partake in extramarital sex?
That will work.

Maybe tell them to hold an acorn between their knees?



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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Alan C]

Indirectly, through the parasites they carry (e.g. malaria & yellow fever) 
mosquitos are actually very destructive. Keep swatting!


Alan C

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Would you hesitate to swat a mosquito that lands on your arm? It's a 
sentient animal and far less destructive than a coyote.


Paul via phone


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"Harvested"?

They're sentient animals, not broccoli.

Cheers,

frank

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and the numbers that can be harvested are strictly regulated.

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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Bill]

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Have you hugged any trees today?




I'm re stacking my lumber pile.


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Re: PDML ~ fate handed me a clementine

[Igor PDML-StR]

Bruce,

I am very much enjoying your recent series -- "studies".
Yesterday, while writing this message, I looked through your new gallery 
website again, and I enjoyed the fun combination (or even juxtaposition) 
of live models and mannequins. (Or should I call them womannequins?)


Now, here is what I've written yesterday about this photo, but didn't send 
right away.



I am sure mine will be the only "dissenting opinion".

I like the technical aspects of the photo: the light, the setting, 
especially how the lamp, light and shadows render.

I like the artistic aspects of the setting.
But a couple of aspects keep bothering me. Both are related to the pose.

First, the way she is slouched.
The combination (or juxtaposition?) of her look and the setting
creates some vibe that I don't know how to call. For the lack of a better 
word, I'd use "power" (or a combination of strength and maybe even 
intimidation.).

That slouching is neutralizing all of that.
But what do I know, - maybe that was the desired effect?!


For the second, I should share my childhood memory:
The very first film I shot in my life (B), - to start learning 
photography, - included a few first shots of my father. He was took a shot 
"straight on" at a relatively short distance.

To keep the long story short, - I had the obvious result to learn from:
what you get from the perspective... That's what I see kids are learning 
quickly by shooting their own legs with the camera.

And the second association is with a backfiring compliment:
"Wow! You've got such legs! One is longer than the other!".


In this case, - the right leg of the model suffered that type of 
"disproportional elongation".



And a minor thing, - I'd think that it would've been better without 
that bright red in her "clothing". It clashes here with the setting (see 
my first item above). Even though in many other situations, this red 
would've been "powerful", here it seems out of the color gamma. It looks 
like a piece of a backpack.


I hope these thoughts would be useful...

Keep it up!
(I mean your photo studies.)

Cheers,
Igor



On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


A shot from a creative shoot that resulted from a model cancellation
and this model being suddenly available on about 12 hours notice.
Sometimes fate hands you clementines.

NSFW: fashion nudity

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/#!/index/I31f3jQxo7HY

Model Little Miss Maggie May ~ https://www.instagram.com/littlemaggiemay/
Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich ~ http://judi-willrich.com

645Z, DFA645 55mm/2.8 SDM, f:4, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO

One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM above camera-left.

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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Paul Stenquist]

Trapping  and hunting in Canada is the principal means of controlling coyote 
population. Hunters earn a bounty as well.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:49 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> We can control populations other ways than killing them.
> 
> Besides, you've very neatly shifted the issue from the inhumane trapping and 
> "ranching" of mammals for the fur industry to pest elimination. I can assure 
> you that few, if any, "culled" varmints end up as fur coats or trim.
> 
> We'll played but it won't work with me.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 24, 2015 10:14:12 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>> They're dangerous pests, and their numbers have to be controlled. A
>> hungry coyote killed a toddler here in Michigan last year. The harvest
>> accomplishes some measure of population control. Broccoli, by the way
>> is harmless.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Harvested"?
>>> 
>>> They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
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>>  wrote:
 Allow the populations of raccoons and foxes to go unchecked and
>> you’ll
 soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>> are
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>> that,
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Re: Coyotes and fur

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PC out of control. No malaria deaths in Canada. 

Paul via phone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:53 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> No hesitation on my part. I don't swat. She gets her meal and she's gone. She 
> has rights, too.
> 
> And I believe your information may be inaccurate. Mosquitos are responsible 
> for millions of malaria deaths. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 24, 2015 10:18:26 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>> Would you hesitate to swat a mosquito that lands on your arm? It's a
>> sentient animal and far less destructive than a coyote.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Harvested"?
>>> 
>>> They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On November 24, 2015 9:37:25 PM EST, Paul Stenquist
>>  wrote:
 Allow the populations of raccoons and foxes to go unchecked and
>> you’ll
 soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>> are
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>> that,
 and the numbers that can be harvested are strictly regulated. 
 
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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[Ken Waller]

It is available from several Alaskan sources.

I've considered buying a wolf pelt.


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>
>No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.
>
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>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John  wrote:
>> I think that's wolf fur.
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:

 As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in front
 of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group was
 protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:

 I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
 kind of sums it up:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html

 Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
 around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: Coyotes and fur

[knarf]

No, I was thinking more of holding Coyote Purity Balls.

That might work...

Cheers,

frank 

On November 24, 2015 10:57:37 PM EST, Bill  wrote:
>On 11/24/2015 9:49 PM, knarf wrote:
>> We can control populations other ways than killing them.
>>
>>
>
>Show them the word of God and tell them not to partake in extramarital
>sex?
>That will work.
>
>Maybe tell them to hold an acorn between their knees?

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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[Daniel J. Matyola]

They were protesting a store, Frank.  What does this site have to do
with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate stores
that PETA demonstrates against?

Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that can
be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by native
peoples,  Preserving their traditional life style is more important.
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf  wrote:
> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/
>
> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur industry...
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>  wrote:
>>No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.
>>
>>Dan Matyola
>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John  wrote:
>>> I think that's wolf fur.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.


 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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  wrote:
>
> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in
>>front
> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights group
>>was
> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells it:
>
> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, this
> kind of sums it up:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>
> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
>
>
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Re: Coyotes and fur

[Alan C]

From deknackered bunny huggers?


Alan C

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From: knarf

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No, I was thinking more of holding Coyote Purity Balls.

That might work...

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 10:57:37 PM EST, Bill  
wrote:

On 11/24/2015 9:49 PM, knarf wrote:

We can control populations other ways than killing them.




Show them the word of God and tell them not to partake in extramarital
sex?
That will work.

Maybe tell them to hold an acorn between their knees?


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Re: Coyotes and fur

[knarf]

The bounty in Ontario ended in 1973. A few counties have an incentive or 
compensation but it has been found to be ineffective. A Utah study found:

“Although several state and provincial case histories, including
Utah, are available (Bennitt1948, Latham 1951, Michigan
Department of Conservation 1960, Nielsen 1973, Theberge
1973), there is no documented evidence indicating that bounty
programs temporarily or permanently reduce coyote abundance
or subsequently reduce livestock depredation.”

Any shot coyote is no good for fur. And traps are not set to reduce the 
population but to provide pelts for fur.

So I again ask, what's this got to do with the fur industry? Answer, nothing. 
This is a red herring. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 11:06:42 PM EST, Paul Stenquist  
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>coyote population. Hunters earn a bounty as well.
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:49 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> We can control populations other ways than killing them.
>> 
>> Besides, you've very neatly shifted the issue from the inhumane
>trapping and "ranching" of mammals for the fur industry to pest
>elimination. I can assure you that few, if any, "culled" varmints end
>up as fur coats or trim.
>> 
>> We'll played but it won't work with me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On November 24, 2015 10:14:12 PM EST, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
>>> They're dangerous pests, and their numbers have to be controlled. A
>>> hungry coyote killed a toddler here in Michigan last year. The
>harvest
>>> accomplishes some measure of population control. Broccoli, by the
>way
>>> is harmless.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
 
 "Harvested"?
 
 They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
 
> On November 24, 2015 9:37:25 PM EST, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
> Allow the populations of raccoons and foxes to go unchecked and
>>> you’ll
> soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>>> are
> in short supply, so management is necessary. The trappers provide
>>> that,
> and the numbers that can be harvested are strictly regulated. 
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Re: Coyotes and fur

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PC? 

Huh?

Cheers,

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>
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>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:53 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> No hesitation on my part. I don't swat. She gets her meal and she's
>gone. She has rights, too.
>> 
>> And I believe your information may be inaccurate. Mosquitos are
>responsible for millions of malaria deaths. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
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> wrote:
>>> Would you hesitate to swat a mosquito that lands on your arm? It's a
>>> sentient animal and far less destructive than a coyote.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
 
 "Harvested"?
 
 They're sentient animals, not broccoli. 
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
 
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>>> you’ll
> soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>>> are
> in short supply, so management is necessary. The trappers provide
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY! (for Dan)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Now that's the kind of cat I can love!

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> Another silly Cat photo.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/23208691451/
>
> Taken at Sedgefield, Eastern Cape in 2009.
>
> Alan C
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> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
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>>> Pentax, Photography, puns and pcats (the p is silent).
>
>
> I love talking about Pentax, photography and puns, but talking about
> cats is even more divisive than talking about politics. Us doggy folk
> can't stand all those silly cat pictures.  
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Re: Coyotes and fur

[knarf]

No but I rode my bike to work, as I do every day. That does more for the 
environment and my general health than hugging a tree.

Don't get me wrong, I like trees, but with the bark it just scrapes me and 
neither of us feel better.

Cheers,

frank

On November 24, 2015 10:54:13 PM EST, Alan C  wrote:
>Have you hugged any trees today?
>
>Alan C
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:49 AM
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>We can control populations other ways than killing them.
>
>Besides, you've very neatly shifted the issue from the inhumane
>trapping and 
>"ranching" of mammals for the fur industry to pest elimination. I can
>assure 
>you that few, if any, "culled" varmints end up as fur coats or trim.
>
>We'll played but it won't work with me.
>
>Cheers,
>
>frank
>
>On November 24, 2015 10:14:12 PM EST, Paul Stenquist 
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>>They're dangerous pests, and their numbers have to be controlled. A
>>hungry coyote killed a toddler here in Michigan last year. The harvest
>>accomplishes some measure of population control. Broccoli, by the way
>>is harmless.
>>
>>Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> "Harvested"?
>>>
>>> They're sentient animals, not broccoli.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
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>> wrote:
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>>you’ll
 soon see how much of a problem they can be. Their natural enemies
>>are
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>>that,
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Re: PESO - The Protestor

[knarf]

You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say Holt Renfrew 
in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very specific statement 
you made.

That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim. There's 
every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And even if 
there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally about, the 
sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry as a whole, 
including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold. 

Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the protest for 
you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or inconsistencies? 

By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" card! Now if we 
really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken treaties and give 
back stolen lands.

BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or even trapped. 
The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian fur farms. Just so 
you know...


 Cheers,

frank




On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
 wrote:
>They were protesting a store, Frank.  What does this site have to do
>with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate stores
>that PETA demonstrates against?
>
>Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that can
>be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by native
>peoples,  Preserving their traditional life style is more important.
>Dan Matyola
>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
>> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/
>>
>> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur industry...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
> wrote:
>>>No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.
>>>
>>>Dan Matyola
>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John  wrote:
 I think that's wolf fur.


 On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about rodents.
>
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
>  wrote:
>>
>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in
>>>front
>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights
>group
>>>was
>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells
>it:
>>
>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then,
>this
>> kind of sums it up:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>>
>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a resurgence
>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>>
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Jack Davis]

Questionable thread, Daniel!

J

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> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an exception for 
>>> Barack...
>> 
>> If you want him, he will become available soon,
> 
> Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government 
> unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.

Romney is certainly among the top 1% of Americans in personal wealth, but he 
has a history of charitable works and support of the downtrodden. To say he is 
“for the 1%” denies his history. As an equity fund partner he was involved in 
some takeovers and mergers that provided mud-slinging opportunities for the 
Obama campaign, but Romney's personal life has been exemplary and he 
contributes vast sums to a wide range of charities. Most importantly, he 
doesn’t suffer the ego problems and pettiness that have plagued Obama and 
probably would have made a good president. His record of success speaks for 
itself. 

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Re: Boris PESO #04 - Window into the past

[Jack Davis]

Like it. Also looks like a color candidate.

J

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Subject: Boris PESO #04 - Window into the past

Hi!

Here it is:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2015/11/2015-04-window-into-past.html

As always - please be brutal and please be honest.

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Re: PDML ~ fate handed me a clementine

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On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>> The shoot was fruitful.
>
> I found his clementine quite apeeling.

I seed what you did there.



>>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Walker wrote:

 A shot from a creative shoot that resulted from a model cancellation
 and this model being suddenly available on about 12 hours notice.
 Sometimes fate hands you clementines.
>>>
>>> Orange you glad she showed up?

 NSFW: fashion nudity

 http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/#!/index/I31f3jQxo7HY
>>>
>>> That's a very nice photo.
>>>
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ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Rick Womer]

Photography unites us.

Politics divides us.

There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.

Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.

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Re: PDML ~ fate handed me a clementine

[Rick Womer]

Pip, pip!
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Glad you appreciated that, Paul. My subconscious was in the driver's seat.  :)
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Stenquist
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>> Lots of good storytelling here, from the cabaret wardrobe to the angry 
>> expression and the lampshade askew. Well done.
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>>
>>> A shot from a creative shoot that resulted from a model cancellation
>>> and this model being suddenly available on about 12 hours notice.
>>> Sometimes fate hands you clementines.
>>>
>>> NSFW: fashion nudity
>>>
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/#!/index/I31f3jQxo7HY
>>>
>>> Model Little Miss Maggie May ~ https://www.instagram.com/littlemaggiemay/
>>> Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich ~ http://judi-willrich.com
>>>
>>> 645Z, DFA645 55mm/2.8 SDM, f:4, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO
>>>
>>> One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM above camera-left.
>>>
>>> Comments enjoyed!
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Re: PDML ~ fate handed me a clementine

[Bruce Walker]

Glad you appreciated that, Paul. My subconscious was in the driver's seat.  :)


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Stenquist
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> Lots of good storytelling here, from the cabaret wardrobe to the angry 
> expression and the lampshade askew. Well done.
>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> A shot from a creative shoot that resulted from a model cancellation
>> and this model being suddenly available on about 12 hours notice.
>> Sometimes fate hands you clementines.
>>
>> NSFW: fashion nudity
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/#!/index/I31f3jQxo7HY
>>
>> Model Little Miss Maggie May ~ https://www.instagram.com/littlemaggiemay/
>> Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich ~ http://judi-willrich.com
>>
>> 645Z, DFA645 55mm/2.8 SDM, f:4, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO
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Re: PDML ~ fate handed me a clementine

[Bruce Walker]

I'm gratified you felt the mystery, Dan. Thank you!

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> Those are lovely clementines.  
>
> That is another fine image, Bruce, and a bit mysterious.
>
> Dan Matyola
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>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> A shot from a creative shoot that resulted from a model cancellation
>> and this model being suddenly available on about 12 hours notice.
>> Sometimes fate hands you clementines.
>>
>> NSFW: fashion nudity
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/#!/index/I31f3jQxo7HY
>>
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>>
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Rick Womer]

And puns. Photography and puns.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Photography unites us.
>
> Politics divides us.
>
> There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
> there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.
>
> Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.
>
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Re: PDML ~ fate handed me a clementine

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> A shot from a creative shoot that resulted from a model cancellation
>> and this model being suddenly available on about 12 hours notice.
>> Sometimes fate hands you clementines.
>
>
> Orange you glad she showed up?

You bet, Larry. She was really sweet.


>> NSFW: fashion nudity
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/#!/index/I31f3jQxo7HY
>
>
> That's a very nice photo.

Thank you, Larry!


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Re: Boris PESO #04 - Window into the past

[Rick Womer]

Brutality would break the china and make a mess.

Besides, I like it. Having the in-focus subjects at the edges keeps my
eyes moving about the photo.

Rick
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Like it. Also looks like a color candidate.
>
> J
>
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> Subject: Boris PESO #04 - Window into the past
>
> Hi!
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2015/11/2015-04-window-into-past.html
>
> As always - please be brutal and please be honest.
>
> Boris
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Re: Pentax D FA * 70-200/2.8

[Collin B]

> That listing has an interesting "product highlight":
>"Direct Current AF"...
>Ghm... As opposed to AC-AF? ;-)

Pentax has 3 AF systems.  The original gear drive, SDM, and DC.
It's DC as opposed to the other two.
IIRC, they have maintained a single interface to power both DC & SDM -- the
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Just some fun lens design reading

[Collin B]

http://ilovehatephoto.com/2014/12/30/a-guide-to-optical-lens-design-and-zeis
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[ann sanfedele]

I was outta here if you didn't leave in PUNS :-)

thanks for the "can the political stuff" post

ann

On 11/24/2015 9:50 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

And puns. Photography and puns.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Photography unites us.

Politics divides us.

There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.

Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.

Rick



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The styling division

[Collin B]

Looks like the styling section has picked on something.
I like the "barrel" (or "can") styling of the newer long lenses as opposed
to the  conical shape usually associated with them.
It's easy to do a barrel with a slow lens but the 70-200/2.8 reminds me of
the Sony barrels.
http://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/d-fa/hd-pentax-d-fa70-200mm-f2-8ed-dc-aw
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Darren Addy]

https://45.media.tumblr.com/3f30e5aff49f8d5fb40896025ea94584/tumblr_n1uazgR1JJ1qln00mo1_500.gif


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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>
> Politics divides us.
>
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> there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.
>
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Bill]

On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf  wrote:

I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an exception for 
Barack...


If you want him, he will become available soon,


Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government 
unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.



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Re: Pentax D FA * 70-200/2.8

[Darren Addy]

When you say "Amazon has it listed" you have to be careful because
Amazon may (themselves) not be the seller. In this case, the $3880
price is "Ships from and sold by TOKYO CAMERA / WorldWide Shipping."
People can (and do) make up all sorts of prices for items which they
don't have in hand.

Two other Japanese sellers (on Amazon) are offering it for $2474.49, shipped.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00T70TPQO/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8=new

It is possible that japan will see the lens before U.S. sellers (all
three seem to indicate a late December ship date) get their hands on
it, so some might pay a premium to have it a couple of months before
other U.S. early birds.

The Nikon lens that it is probably aiming to be the equivalent of is
the $2100 AF-S NIKKOR
70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II. Canon's EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM
Telephoto Zoom is just under $2K.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>
> I just noticed that Amazon has it listed already (with a Dec.28, 2015 in
> stock date).
> I haven't heard much said about this lens...
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T70TPQO/
> $3,880.   Ouch!
>
> Although I see one listed @B:
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1117718-REG/pentax_21330_hd_pentax_d_fa.html
> for a much smaller amount: $2300, but available on Feb.25, 2016.
>
> That listing has an interesting "product highlight":
> "Direct Current AF"...
> Ghm... As opposed to AC-AF? ;-)
>
> Igor
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Re: Last PUG of 2015 - Countdown

[Paul Stenquist]

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 11/23/2015 11:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>> I don't normally like right-wing politicians but I make an exception for 
>>> Barack...
>> 
>> If you want him, he will become available soon,
> 
> Just think, you guys could have elected Romney and had a government 
> unabashedly by the 1% for the 1%.

Romney is certainly among the top 1% of Americans in personal wealth, but he 
has a history of charitable works and support of the downtrodden. To say he is 
“for the 1%” denies his history. As an equity fund partner he was involved in 
some takeovers and mergers that provided mud-slinging opportunities for the 
Obama campaign, but Romney's personal life has been exemplary and he 
contributes vast sums to a wide range of charities. Most importantly, he 
doesn’t suffer the ego problems and pettiness that have plagued Obama and 
probably would have made a good president. His record of success speaks for 
itself. 

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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Yolanda Rowe]

Thank you!
(puns forever)

Yonnie

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> https://45.media.tumblr.com/3f30e5aff49f8d5fb40896025ea94584/tumblr_n1uazgR1JJ1qln00mo1_500.gif
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> Photography unites us.
>>
>> Politics divides us.
>>
>> There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
>> there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.
>>
>> Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.
>>
>> Rick
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Re: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

[Jack Davis]

Well said, Rick!

J

- Original Message -
From: "Rick Womer" 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:48:39 AM
Subject: ENOUGH POLITICS ALREADY!

Photography unites us.

Politics divides us.

There are =countless= other places to pursue political division. Go
there if that's how you want to spend your internet time.

Let us keep this a place where we can talk about photography.

Rick

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