date:20160802


Thanks to all who looked & commented.

Larry, the light is usually very harsh around here. The overcast conditions 
make a big difference but then there are no shadows.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Alan C

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 12:07 PM
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Subject: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs

A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing. There
are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks. Actually
quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a very
tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of Brahman
blood there too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
Scroll right for the other.

K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.

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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs (Bob W)

Bob, this should answer your question. Fly was only a problem in the Lowveld 
areas down the east coast of Africa (like Kruger).


http://www.nguni.info/nguni_cattle_southern_africa.htm

In many tribal areas, the large bulls were castrated to yield enough oxen 
for ploughing. This led to degenerate herds serviced by small bulls. Grade 
bulls of other breeds were introduced to upgrade the gene pool. The 
characteristic "speckled" hides are now less evident.


Alan C

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Very interesting shot. I didn't realise there were any native breeds of 
cattle below the the Sahara - I thought tsetse fly got them all. I seem to 
recall being taught something like that at junior school.


B


On 2 Aug 2016, at 11:08, Alan C  wrote:

A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing. There
are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks. Actually
quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a very
tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of 
Brahman

blood there too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
Scroll right for the other.

K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.

Alan C

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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs (Ann)

You know, I did think of that but I actually tried to show the proximity to 
the main road & it's inherent dangers.


Alan C

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:55 PM
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I like the panoa lot

Find the second one not up to the quality of the first- if you wanted a
portrait of that little guy I'd suggest a much tighter crop -

ann



On 8/2/2016 9:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Very nice. One of your best in terms of tone and color.

On August 2, 2016 3:07:38 AM PDT, Alan C  wrote:

A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing.
There
are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks.
Actually
quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a
very
tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of
Brahman
blood there too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
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K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.

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Re: How is this done?

2016-08-02 Thread Brian Walters



On Wed, Aug 3, 2016, at 09:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I use Photoshop exclusively but don't engage in endless adjusting. I
> don't like the Lightroom interface and find Photoshop a perfect fit for
> me.

Ditto.

I never warmed to Lightroom.  I use Zoner Photo Studio for image
management and open images for editing in Photoshop directly from Zoner.
 It's a nicely integrated workflow that suits me well.


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> Paul via phone
> 
> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> > 
> > I can't remember the last time I used photoshop.  I mostly tweak stuff in
> > Lightroom.  The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around are
> > behind me.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >> 
> >> What version of photo shop do you use?  I have cartoonized stuff for
> >> graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they applied
> >> the
> >> 
> >> cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
> >> and contrast..
> >> 
> >> there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that
> >> can be played around with
> >> 
> >> If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know
> >> 
> >> ann
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how they
> >>> do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
> >>> something.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...
>  "artistic"  feh
>  
>  ann
>  
>  
>  On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:
>  
>  I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
> > "Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.trendsandlife.com/artistic-photographs-homeless-people-facing-challenges-streets/
> > 
> > 
> > 

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Re: PESO: Day Lily

2016-08-02 Thread Paul Stenquist

Very nice. 

Paul via phone

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since I posted anything, so for better or worse, here's 
> something.
> 
> Technical:
> K1, DFA100mm f/2.8 macro,
> Base exposure f/5.6 for 1/8 second at ISO100.
> 22 exposure stack, shot in pixel shift mode.
> I suppose that means it was an 11 second exposure.
> 
> enjoy.
> 
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/new_photos/daylily.html
> 
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Re: PESO: Day Lily


pretty - one of my favorite flowers too

ann


On 8/2/2016 11:25 PM, Bill wrote:
It's been a while since I posted anything, so for better or worse, 
here's something.


Technical:
K1, DFA100mm f/2.8 macro,
Base exposure f/5.6 for 1/8 second at ISO100.
22 exposure stack, shot in pixel shift mode.
I suppose that means it was an 11 second exposure.

enjoy.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/new_photos/daylily.html

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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

Actually, Bill. That's a pretty good average.

J

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Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:51:19 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

On 8/2/2016 8:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Bruce.
> I believe I'd need at least  6000 fps
> in order to stop the wings and I have
> a number of perched quietly feeding
> already. :)
> The 540 1/1=1200, so maybe 1/5+?
> I have frozen wings at a shutter speed of 6400.
> Thanks again!

Several years ago, I was visiting Tom C at his home in Idaho. His wife 
had what seemed like dozens of hummingbird feeders strewn about the 
outside of the house. When I arrived, the noise of them outside the door 
was really freaky, it was like running a gauntlet of locusts.
The morning I left, I was sitting having coffee with Tom amid these 
literally hundreds of Hummers when one chose to alight on my hand and 
stay for several seconds.
It was one of the most magical moments of my life.

I found that they are quite hard to photograph, I was using a K10 at the 
time, and out of dozens of exposures, I managed to get one that I was 
reasonably happy with.

bill

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Re: PESO: Day Lily

WOW!!...almost. Would have liked to see the lower blossom tip. :-)

J

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Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:25:02 PM
Subject: PESO: Day Lily

It's been a while since I posted anything, so for better or worse, 
here's something.

Technical:
K1, DFA100mm f/2.8 macro,
Base exposure f/5.6 for 1/8 second at ISO100.
22 exposure stack, shot in pixel shift mode.
I suppose that means it was an 11 second exposure.

enjoy.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/new_photos/daylily.html

bill

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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

2016-08-02 Thread Bill


On 8/2/2016 8:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions, Bruce.
I believe I'd need at least  6000 fps
in order to stop the wings and I have
a number of perched quietly feeding
already. :)
The 540 1/1=1200, so maybe 1/5+?
I have frozen wings at a shutter speed of 6400.
Thanks again!


Several years ago, I was visiting Tom C at his home in Idaho. His wife 
had what seemed like dozens of hummingbird feeders strewn about the 
outside of the house. When I arrived, the noise of them outside the door 
was really freaky, it was like running a gauntlet of locusts.
The morning I left, I was sitting having coffee with Tom amid these 
literally hundreds of Hummers when one chose to alight on my hand and 
stay for several seconds.

It was one of the most magical moments of my life.

I found that they are quite hard to photograph, I was using a K10 at the 
time, and out of dozens of exposures, I managed to get one that I was 
reasonably happy with.


bill


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PESO: Day Lily

2016-08-02 Thread Bill

It's been a while since I posted anything, so for better or worse, 
here's something.


Technical:
K1, DFA100mm f/2.8 macro,
Base exposure f/5.6 for 1/8 second at ISO100.
22 exposure stack, shot in pixel shift mode.
I suppose that means it was an 11 second exposure.

enjoy.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/new_photos/daylily.html

bill

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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

Thanks for the suggestions, Bruce.
I believe I'd need at least  6000 fps
in order to stop the wings and I have
a number of perched quietly feeding
already. :)
The 540 1/1=1200, so maybe 1/5+?
I have frozen wings at a shutter speed of 6400.
Thanks again!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Jack, the blip of light from a 540 at 1/64th power should easily
> freeze hummer wings, But I suspect you had enough ambient light to
> compete with your flash. You need to cut out the ambient so the flash
> is the sole source of illumination if you want to use the flash to
> freeze action.
> 
> Try shooting the same scene both with and without the flash added to
> see the effect. If you have the flash set up correctly the scene
> without the flash should be black or just about.
> 
> Also, the flash duration (t.1 time) is really short even at 1/2 or 1/4
> power on a 540 flash. I'd try shooting the birds with the flash at
> about 1/4 power and with the head zoomed to the narrowest beam. Then
> set the shutter for 1/180th sec (use X-sync), stop down the aperture,
> and even attach a neutral density filter if the exposure at the bird
> is still too high. This should eliminate the ambient light pretty
> nicely.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a "Better Beamer" but hesitate to use it from 7' ;-)
>> Sides, I have PLENTY of light, especially since it appears the 1/64 flash
>> will not freeze the Hummer wings and I'll be using shutter speed
>> instead.
>> 
>> J
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ken Waller" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 5:13:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)
>> 
>> You gotta start somewhere Jack.
>> 
>> Moving them out from the structure on top of the feeder has got to help the
>> lighting situation.
>> 
>> A 'Better Beamer' is a relatively cheap fresnel lens that will help project
>> the light from your flash.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jack Davis" 
>> Subject: Hummer Freezing(?)
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My wife made the decision (of course) to hang a couple Hummingbird
>>> feeders.
>>> I've been dinkin' around attempting to freeze them with an AF540-FGZ on
>>> the K-3.
>>> I've chosen to use "M" flash setting at 1/64 duration. Not doing it!!
>>> Said setting does, however, fully light a scene 'prox 25' across the
>>> family room..??
>>> 1/1=1/1200.
>>> Tried PTTL at minus a couple stops duration. Background too dark and image
>>> soft. I read it
>>> can do 1/2 in the right light. Probably shooting into a mirror
>>> close-up.;)
>>> 
>>> Any one?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1080
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1081
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1082
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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

2016-08-02 Thread Bruce Walker

Jack, the blip of light from a 540 at 1/64th power should easily
freeze hummer wings, But I suspect you had enough ambient light to
compete with your flash. You need to cut out the ambient so the flash
is the sole source of illumination if you want to use the flash to
freeze action.

Try shooting the same scene both with and without the flash added to
see the effect. If you have the flash set up correctly the scene
without the flash should be black or just about.

Also, the flash duration (t.1 time) is really short even at 1/2 or 1/4
power on a 540 flash. I'd try shooting the birds with the flash at
about 1/4 power and with the head zoomed to the narrowest beam. Then
set the shutter for 1/180th sec (use X-sync), stop down the aperture,
and even attach a neutral density filter if the exposure at the bird
is still too high. This should eliminate the ambient light pretty
nicely.


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> I have a "Better Beamer" but hesitate to use it from 7' ;-)
> Sides, I have PLENTY of light, especially since it appears the 1/64 flash
> will not freeze the Hummer wings and I'll be using shutter speed
> instead.
>
> J
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Waller" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 5:13:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)
>
> You gotta start somewhere Jack.
>
> Moving them out from the structure on top of the feeder has got to help the
> lighting situation.
>
> A 'Better Beamer' is a relatively cheap fresnel lens that will help project
> the light from your flash.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: Hummer Freezing(?)
>
>
>>
>>
>> My wife made the decision (of course) to hang a couple Hummingbird
>> feeders.
>> I've been dinkin' around attempting to freeze them with an AF540-FGZ on
>> the K-3.
>> I've chosen to use "M" flash setting at 1/64 duration. Not doing it!!
>> Said setting does, however, fully light a scene 'prox 25' across the
>> family room..??
>> 1/1=1/1200.
>> Tried PTTL at minus a couple stops duration. Background too dark and image
>> soft. I read it
>> can do 1/2 in the right light. Probably shooting into a mirror
>> close-up.;)
>>
>> Any one?
>>
>> J
>>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1080
>>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1081
>>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1082
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Re: How is this done?

2016-08-02 Thread Paul Stenquist

I use Photoshop exclusively but don't engage in endless adjusting. I don't like 
the Lightroom interface and find Photoshop a perfect fit for me.

Paul via phone

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> I can't remember the last time I used photoshop.  I mostly tweak stuff in
> Lightroom.  The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around are
> behind me.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> What version of photo shop do you use?  I have cartoonized stuff for
>> graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they applied
>> the
>> 
>> cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
>> and contrast..
>> 
>> there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that
>> can be played around with
>> 
>> If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how they
>>> do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
>>> something.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...
 "artistic"  feh
 
 ann
 
 
 On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:
 
 I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
> "Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.trendsandlife.com/artistic-photographs-homeless-people-facing-challenges-streets/
> 
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Re: How is this done?

Fascinating.  Thank you Jostein.



On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Jostein  wrote:

> Here's one for Lightroom too:
> http://photographypla.net/dragan-effect-tutorial-and-preset/
>
> Jostein
>
>
> Den 03.08.2016 00.39, skrev Gonz:
>
>> Yes, googling the word that Jostein said "Draganizing", I found websites
>> that show you how they do this in photoshop.  Apparently there is a
>> photographer Andrzej Dragan http://andrzejdragan.com/ that popularized
>> this
>> technique.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>> But that's what you want if you want to do what that guy did, I think
>>>
>>> I find Elements very very easy to use for minimal photo processing -which
>>> is always my preference  - but like it
>>>
>>> for making graphic design stuff too.. never used actual photoshop... only
>>> Elements
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2016 6:14 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't remember the last time I used photoshop.  I mostly tweak stuff in
 Lightroom.  The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around
 are
 behind me.


 On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele 
 wrote:

 What version of photo shop do you use?  I have cartoonized stuff for

> graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they
> applied
> the
>
> cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
> and contrast..
>
> there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements
> that
> can be played around with
>
> If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
> Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how
> they
>
>> do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
>> something.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...
>>
>> "artistic"  feh
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>>
>>> I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
>>>
>>> "Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get
 this?





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Re: Interesting article in NYT about artists changing the world--with lots to say about the power of a photograph

2016-08-02 Thread Mark Roberts

Christine Aguila wrote:

>Just saw this in the NYT.  I didnt know Fredrick Douglas had written 4 
>lectures on photography!  I thought the list might enjoy this editorial in 
>this mornings NYT.
>
>Cheers, Christine
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/opinion/how-artists-change-the-world.html?ribbon-ad-idx=5=opinion=Ribbon=context=Header=click=Opinion=article

I read that in the NYT this morning good article. I was delighted to
see it was written by David Brooks. Until I realized it was the
conservative political writer rather than our Dave Brooks. :-)

Useless factoid: One of my racing buddies who was on my 24-hour
endurance team years ago bears such a striking resemblance to
Frederick Douglass I sometimes still do double-takes when I see
certain photos of Frederick Douglass.

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Re: How is this done?

Here's one for Lightroom too:
http://photographypla.net/dragan-effect-tutorial-and-preset/

Jostein

Den 03.08.2016 00.39, skrev Gonz:

Yes, googling the word that Jostein said "Draganizing", I found websites
that show you how they do this in photoshop. Apparently there is a
photographer Andrzej Dragan http://andrzejdragan.com/ that popularized this
technique.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

But that's what you want if you want to do what that guy did, I think

I find Elements very very easy to use for minimal photo processing -which
is always my preference - but like it

for making graphic design stuff too.. never used actual photoshop... only
Elements

ann

On 8/2/2016 6:14 PM, Gonz wrote:

I can't remember the last time I used photoshop. I mostly tweak stuff in
Lightroom. The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around are
behind me.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

What version of photo shop do you use? I have cartoonized stuff for

graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they applied
the

cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
and contrast..

there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that
can be played around with

If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know

ann

On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:

Yes Ann, its not pretty. But I'm just interested in finding out how they

do this. Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
something.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele
wrote:

Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...

"artistic" feh

ann

On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:

I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain

"Rembrandt" like quality to them. How do they post process to get
this?

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Re: How is this done?

Yes, googling the word that Jostein said "Draganizing", I found websites
that show you how they do this in photoshop.  Apparently there is a
photographer Andrzej Dragan http://andrzejdragan.com/ that popularized this
technique.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> But that's what you want if you want to do what that guy did, I think
>
> I find Elements very very easy to use for minimal photo processing -which
> is always my preference  - but like it
>
> for making graphic design stuff too.. never used actual photoshop... only
> Elements
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2016 6:14 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
>> I can't remember the last time I used photoshop.  I mostly tweak stuff in
>> Lightroom.  The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around are
>> behind me.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>> What version of photo shop do you use?  I have cartoonized stuff for
>>> graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they applied
>>> the
>>>
>>> cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
>>> and contrast..
>>>
>>> there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that
>>> can be played around with
>>>
>>> If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how they
 do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
 something.


 On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele 
 wrote:

 Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...

> "artistic"  feh
>
> ann
>
>
> On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
> I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
>
>> "Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get
>> this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.trendsandlife.com/artistic-photographs-homeless-people-facing-challenges-streets/
>>
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Re: How is this done?

But that's what you want if you want to do what that guy did, I think

I find Elements very very easy to use for minimal photo processing
-which is always my preference - but like it

for making graphic design stuff too.. never used actual photoshop...
only Elements

ann

On 8/2/2016 6:14 PM, Gonz wrote:

I can't remember the last time I used photoshop. I mostly tweak stuff in
Lightroom. The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around are
behind me.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

What version of photo shop do you use? I have cartoonized stuff for
graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they applied
the

cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
and contrast..

there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that
can be played around with

If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know

ann

On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:

Yes Ann, its not pretty. But I'm just interested in finding out how they
do this. Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
something.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...

"artistic" feh

ann

On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:

I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain

"Rembrandt" like quality to them. How do they post process to get this?

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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

That's really nice

> On 2 Aug 2016, at 19:42, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> ann sanfedele wrote:
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>> Ditto what Bob said ... except the bright colors are part of what 
>> attracts the hummers... they think they are flowers .. so that is a 
>> predicament.
> 
> Serious hummingbird photographers get liquid hummingbird food
> (basically sugary water) for feeders and use an eyedropper to load it
> into real flowers. Attracts the birds to a specific flower (at which
> your tripod-mounted camera and long lens are aimed) and looks much
> nicer than those ugly feeders.
> 
> Just sitting down with a big lens and trying to track hummingbirds as
> they choose their own flowers is a good way to burn off a thousand
> shots or so while only getting one or two keepers. Mind you, every
> once in a while you do get a good one:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d904208.htm
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Re: The Eating of the Hat

On 2 Aug 2016, at 20:00, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> a contingent of vestal virgins 

After you've eaten your hat can you make them eat their vests?


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Re: How is this done?

I can't remember the last time I used photoshop.  I mostly tweak stuff in
Lightroom.  The days of endless photoshop adjusting and messing around are
behind me.


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> What version of photo shop do you use?  I have cartoonized stuff for
> graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they applied
> the
>
> cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness
> and contrast..
>
> there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that
> can be played around with
>
> If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
>> Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how they
>> do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
>> something.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>> Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...
>>> "artistic"  feh
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>>
>>> I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
 "Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?



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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze


Yeah, that's a lovely shot, Mark... looks familiar too

ann


On 8/2/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

That's disgusting!!  Da.. it!

J


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:


Ditto what Bob said ... except the bright colors are part of what
attracts the hummers... they think they are flowers .. so that is a
predicament.

Serious hummingbird photographers get liquid hummingbird food
(basically sugary water) for feeders and use an eyedropper to load it
into real flowers. Attracts the birds to a specific flower (at which
your tripod-mounted camera and long lens are aimed) and looks much
nicer than those ugly feeders.

Just sitting down with a big lens and trying to track hummingbirds as
they choose their own flowers is a good way to burn off a thousand
shots or so while only getting one or two keepers. Mind you, every
once in a while you do get a good one:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d904208.htm

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Re: How is this done?

What version of photo shop do you use?  I have cartoonized stuff for 
graphics work with Elements .. one of those shots looks like they 
applied the


cut-out thingy very gently... and some could just be extreme brightness 
and contrast..


there is a whole panel of effects that you just go into in Elements that 
can be played around with


If I remember exactly what it is I'll let you know

ann


On 8/2/2016 5:11 PM, Gonz wrote:

Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how they
do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
something.


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...
"artistic"  feh

ann


On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:


I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
"Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?


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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs

Very interesting shot. I didn't realise there were any native breeds of cattle 
below the the Sahara - I thought tsetse fly got them all. I seem to recall 
being taught something like that at junior school. 

B

> On 2 Aug 2016, at 11:08, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing. There
> are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks. Actually
> quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a very
> tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of Brahman
> blood there too.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
> Scroll right for the other.
> 
> K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.
> 
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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

Right, these cheesy feeders are a
way to lure them so as to learn what's
required to get a decent photo.
J

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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> That's much better. The feeder may be good for learning to shoot them, but 
> when you get confident you'll have to get another one as those bright colours 
> will always detract from the birds.
> B
> 
>> On 2 Aug 2016, at 14:41, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> "Better"
>> Taken early this AM. Still rather dark.
>> Taken with 6400 shutter, PTTL, full flash.
>> Took some punching up!
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

That's disgusting!!  Da.. it!

J


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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> ann sanfedele wrote:
> 
>> Ditto what Bob said ... except the bright colors are part of what 
>> attracts the hummers... they think they are flowers .. so that is a 
>> predicament.
> 
> Serious hummingbird photographers get liquid hummingbird food
> (basically sugary water) for feeders and use an eyedropper to load it
> into real flowers. Attracts the birds to a specific flower (at which
> your tripod-mounted camera and long lens are aimed) and looks much
> nicer than those ugly feeders.
> 
> Just sitting down with a big lens and trying to track hummingbirds as
> they choose their own flowers is a good way to burn off a thousand
> shots or so while only getting one or two keepers. Mind you, every
> once in a while you do get a good one:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d904208.htm
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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

Yes, any shutter speed, above the native 180 per second with this
unit, requires the setting of the
available "High Speed Sink" feature.
I agree, Jostein that it would seem 
logical to expect the wing movement
to be somewhat slower in making an
abrupt turn.
J

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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> 
> The figure of eight is what I have read too. But I believe the wing tips move 
> slower at the sharp turns of the eight, so that there are certain wing 
> positions that allow longer shutter speeds.
> 
> When you do P-TTL, do you use Hi-speed flash mode? Probably a dumb question, 
> but I don't know the 540 flash (got a Metz unit myself).
> 
> Jostein
> 
> Den 01.08.2016 23.54, skrev Jack Davis:
>> Well caught in a nice setting, Jostein.
>> I understand that their wings do not ever stop while in flight, but instead, 
>> each does a
>> continuous figure eight. Seems likely to me.(?)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jostein" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 1:56:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)
>> 
>> I've shot exactly one session with those birds, a ruby-throated
>> hummingbird I encountered along the Big Sur in 2013. I remember thinking
>> that the wings would have to stop before they turned, and rattled off a
>> lot of frames hoping to hit the point where the wings switched
>> direction. That was without flash, at 1/1000s shutter speed. I had to
>> crank up the ISO to 1600 too. Hit to miss ratio was about 1:30, I guess.
>> 
>> Here's what that looked like:
>> http://www.alunfoto.no/album/big-sur/innhold/hummingbird/?base_folder=/
>> 
>> Jostein
>> 
>> 
>> Den 01.08.2016 16.48, skrev Jack Davis:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My wife made the decision (of course) to hang a couple Hummingbird feeders.
>>> I've been dinkin' around attempting to freeze them with an AF540-FGZ on the 
>>> K-3.
>>> I've chosen to use "M" flash setting at 1/64 duration. Not doing it!!
>>> Said setting does, however, fully light a scene 'prox 25' across the family 
>>> room..??
>>> 1/1=1/1200.
>>> Tried PTTL at minus a couple stops duration. Background too dark and image 
>>> soft. I read it
>>> can do 1/2 in the right light. Probably shooting into a mirror 
>>> close-up.;)
>>> 
>>> Any one?
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1080
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1081
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1082
>>> 
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Re: How is this done?

Yes Ann, its not pretty.  But I'm just interested in finding out how they
do this.  Might be useful for something else, like a still life or
something.


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff...
> "artistic"  feh
>
> ann
>
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> On 8/2/2016 4:33 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
>> I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
>> "Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?
>>
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>> http://www.trendsandlife.com/artistic-photographs-homeless-people-facing-challenges-streets/
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Re: How is this done?

Gonz, why on earth would you want to know? - God awful stuff... 
"artistic"  feh


ann


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I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
"Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?

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Re: How is this done?

Looks like a variant of "Draganizing". Guess there are many ways to 
achieve that, but it's a good word to google.


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Den 02.08.2016 22.33, skrev Gonz:

I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
"Rembrandt" like quality to them.  How do they post process to get this?

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Re: The Eating of the Hat

2016-08-02 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 2/8/16, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>phalanx of Holy Men
>
>Sounds a bit rude...

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I've seen several galleries like this, where they have a certain
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Awesome Gallery!  Please do more!

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Jostein  wrote:

> Say hello to them from me, Dag.
> I've more or less decided that such group trips are not for me anymore.
> Jostein
>
>
> Den 02.08.2016 21.16, skrev DagT:
>
>> :-)
>>
>> My wife said the same. Too much me, not enough Krakow :-)
>>
>> We did have a nice time. You know a couple of them and should have been
>> there.
>>
>> DagT
>>
>>
>> 30. jul. 2016 kl. 20.46 skrev Jostein :
>>>
>>> Dag,
>>> That's not K-1 in Krakow. That's Dag Thrane in Krakow, while he happened
>>> to be carrying a camera slightly more heavy than he liked. :-)
>>> Very you, those pics. Looks like you had a good time.
>>>
>>> Jostein
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 30.07.2016 13.38, skrev DagT:
>>>
 I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77
 and FA135.

 K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking
 pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love
 the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No
 more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)

 The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over
 FA24 and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.

 Pictures here
 http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
 with the focal length under the thumbs.

 DagT

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Re: The Eating of the Hat

2016-08-02 Thread Mark Roberts

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>phalanx of Holy Men

Sounds a bit rude...
 
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Re: The Eating of the Hat


It takes a powerful furnace to boil a hat.
Jostein

Den 02.08.2016 20.59, skrev Steve Cottrell:

Sorry been a bit quiet on the list recently. Had quick looks at loads of
pics but not even had chance to post comments. We had a new boiler
(furnace) installed so 1 week of hell. And work has gone mental, so too
many hours holding a big camera on shoulder.

For a break we are heading over to Norway to see the Oksne clan, and
yy I get to concentrate on still photographs, Pentax lenses even!

I gather there will be some news as well regarding the Eating of the Hat
ceremony. Can't say too much at this stage but there will be
photographic evidence, a veritable phalanx of Holy Men overseeing,
various onlookers and a contingent of vestal virgins ready to verify the deed.

Stay tuned and all will be revealed.

Allegedly.

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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

The figure of eight is what I have read too. But I believe the wing tips 
move slower at the sharp turns of the eight, so that there are certain 
wing positions that allow longer shutter speeds.


When you do P-TTL, do you use Hi-speed flash mode? Probably a dumb 
question, but I don't know the 540 flash (got a Metz unit myself).


Jostein

Den 01.08.2016 23.54, skrev Jack Davis:

Well caught in a nice setting, Jostein.
I understand that their wings do not ever stop while in flight, but instead, 
each does a
continuous figure eight. Seems likely to me.(?)

J

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Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

I've shot exactly one session with those birds, a ruby-throated
hummingbird I encountered along the Big Sur in 2013. I remember thinking
that the wings would have to stop before they turned, and rattled off a
lot of frames hoping to hit the point where the wings switched
direction. That was without flash, at 1/1000s shutter speed. I had to
crank up the ISO to 1600 too. Hit to miss ratio was about 1:30, I guess.

Here's what that looked like:
http://www.alunfoto.no/album/big-sur/innhold/hummingbird/?base_folder=/

Jostein


Den 01.08.2016 16.48, skrev Jack Davis:



My wife made the decision (of course) to hang a couple Hummingbird feeders.
I've been dinkin' around attempting to freeze them with an AF540-FGZ on the K-3.
I've chosen to use "M" flash setting at 1/64 duration. Not doing it!!
Said setting does, however, fully light a scene 'prox 25' across the family 
room..??
1/1=1/1200.
Tried PTTL at minus a couple stops duration. Background too dark and image 
soft. I read it
can do 1/2 in the right light. Probably shooting into a mirror close-up.;)

Any one?

J

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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow


Say hello to them from me, Dag.
I've more or less decided that such group trips are not for me anymore.
Jostein

Den 02.08.2016 21.16, skrev DagT:

:-)

My wife said the same. Too much me, not enough Krakow :-)

We did have a nice time. You know a couple of them and should have been there.

DagT



30. jul. 2016 kl. 20.46 skrev Jostein :

Dag,
That's not K-1 in Krakow. That's Dag Thrane in Krakow, while he happened to be 
carrying a camera slightly more heavy than he liked. :-)
Very you, those pics. Looks like you had a good time.

Jostein


Den 30.07.2016 13.38, skrev DagT:

I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
FA135.

K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking pictures. 
The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love the two wheels 
and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No more unintentional 
adjustments of the white balance :-)


The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over FA24 
and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.

Pictures here
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)


Thank you for the kind words, Dan!
In this case I just wanted to illustrate the point about wing position. :-)
Jostein

Den 02.08.2016 05.10, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:

Beautiful, Jostein.  I love that image!

Strong detail, and a crisp mage.  I really love the color in the
background,which harmonizes with the plumage.

The blossoms frame the bird well, and the curve of the lower branch adds a
lot of interest and draws the eye into the bird itself.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Jostein  wrote:


I've shot exactly one session with those birds, a ruby-throated
hummingbird I encountered along the Big Sur in 2013. I remember thinking
that the wings would have to stop before they turned, and rattled off a lot
of frames hoping to hit the point where the wings switched direction. That
was without flash, at 1/1000s shutter speed. I had to crank up the ISO to
1600 too. Hit to miss ratio was about 1:30, I guess.

Here's what that looked like:
http://www.alunfoto.no/album/big-sur/innhold/hummingbird/?base_folder=/

Jostein


Den 01.08.2016 16.48, skrev Jack Davis:




My wife made the decision (of course) to hang a couple Hummingbird
feeders.
I've been dinkin' around attempting to freeze them with an AF540-FGZ on
the K-3.
I've chosen to use "M" flash setting at 1/64 duration. Not doing it!!
Said setting does, however, fully light a scene 'prox 25' across the
family room..??
1/1=1/1200.
Tried PTTL at minus a couple stops duration. Background too dark and
image soft. I read it
can do 1/2 in the right light. Probably shooting into a mirror
close-up.;)

Any one?

J

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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Tank you, Dan!

DagT

> 31. jul. 2016 kl. 18.15 skrev Daniel J. Matyola :
> 
> Wonderful gallery!
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Christine Aguila 
> wrote:
> 
>> Absolutely superb gallery!  Outstanding eye in seeing how light,
>> composition, and subject can come together to make a picture.
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 6:38 AM, DagT  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77
>> and FA135.
>>> 
>>> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking
>> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love
>> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No
>> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over
>> FA24 and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
>>> 
>>> Pictures here
>>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
>>> with the focal length under the thumbs.
>>> 
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Thanks Christine! :-)

DagT

> 31. jul. 2016 kl. 17.15 skrev Christine Aguila :
> 
> Absolutely superb gallery!  Outstanding eye in seeing how light, composition, 
> and subject can come together to make a picture.  
> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 6:38 AM, DagT  wrote:
>> 
>> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
>> FA135.
>> 
>> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking 
>> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love 
>> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No 
>> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
>> 
>> 
>> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over FA24 
>> and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
>> 
>> Pictures here
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
>> with the focal length under the thumbs.
>> 
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Too lazy :-)

Thanks Ann!

DagT

> 31. jul. 2016 kl. 03.53 skrev ann sanfedele :
> 
> So much good stuff... so Thranian :-) just so so wonderful...
> 
> My first heart stopper was the man with the pigeon on his knee... then too 
> many others followed to chose more..
> 
> The whole gallery is a delight - you should make it a book!
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/30/2016 7:36 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> A wonderful gallery. Superb work as always.
>> 
>> - Marco
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:38 AM, DagT  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
>>> FA135.
>>> 
>>> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking 
>>> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love 
>>> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No 
>>> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over 
>>> FA24 and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
>>> 
>>> Pictures here
>>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
>>> with the focal length under the thumbs.
>>> 
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Re: The Eating of the Hat

2016-08-02 Thread mike wilson

I'll never format that SD card again.

> On 02 August 2016 at 19:59 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry been a bit quiet on the list recently. Had quick looks at loads of
> pics but not even had chance to post comments. We had a new boiler
> (furnace) installed so 1 week of hell. And work has gone mental, so too
> many hours holding a big camera on shoulder.
> 
> For a break we are heading over to Norway to see the Oksne clan, and
> yy I get to concentrate on still photographs, Pentax lenses even!
> 
> I gather there will be some news as well regarding the Eating of the Hat
> ceremony. Can't say too much at this stage but there will be
> photographic evidence, a veritable phalanx of Holy Men overseeing,
> various onlookers and a contingent of vestal virgins ready to verify the deed.
> 
> Stay tuned and all will be revealed.
> 
> Allegedly.
> 
> I'd provide a live video link but Sessoms would still be fiddling with a
> Windows install and we wouldn't want anyone to miss out.
> 
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Thanks!

DagT

> 31. jul. 2016 kl. 01.36 skrev Marco Alpert :
> 
> A wonderful gallery. Superb work as always.
> 
> - Marco
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:38 AM, DagT  wrote:
>> 
>> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
>> FA135.
>> 
>> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking 
>> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love 
>> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No 
>> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
>> 
>> 
>> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over FA24 
>> and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
>> 
>> Pictures here
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
>> with the focal length under the thumbs.
>> 
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

:-)

My wife said the same. Too much me, not enough Krakow :-)

We did have a nice time. You know a couple of them and should have been there.

DagT


> 30. jul. 2016 kl. 20.46 skrev Jostein :
> 
> Dag,
> That's not K-1 in Krakow. That's Dag Thrane in Krakow, while he happened to 
> be carrying a camera slightly more heavy than he liked. :-)
> Very you, those pics. Looks like you had a good time.
> 
> Jostein
> 
> 
> Den 30.07.2016 13.38, skrev DagT:
>> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
>> FA135.
>> 
>> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking 
>> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love 
>> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No 
>> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
>> 
>> 
>> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over FA24 
>> and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
>> 
>> Pictures here
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
>> with the focal length under the thumbs.
>> 
>> DagT
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Leica? I tried once and (luckily) didn´t like the viewfinder. :-)

Thanks!

DagT

> 30. jul. 2016 kl. 18.14 skrev Bob W-PDML :
> 
> On 30 Jul 2016, at 17:05, Alan C  wrote:
>> 
>> A very interesting GESO, Dag. You live in a pretty, well cared for city. I 
>> can't really see anything disappointing - you're obviously a bit of a 
>> perfectionist! I'm half thinking of doing something like that around here 
>> but it would be so different.
> 
> That's what makes things interesting!
> 
> A very enjoyable gallery. You should be shooting in black & white. With a 
> Leica.
> 
> B
>> 
>> [...]
>> Pictures here
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
>> with the focal length under the thumbs.
>> 
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Thanks Alan!

Sorry, it´s not my city, but it is very nice. I hadn´t been there before but 
got a chance to go for a trip with some Norwegian Pentaxians. One of them had 
been there before and showed us a couple of nice places, and recommended some 
good beer :-)

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> 30. jul. 2016 kl. 18.00 skrev Alan C :
> 
> A very interesting GESO, Dag. You live in a pretty, well cared for city. I 
> can't really see anything disappointing - you're obviously a bit of a 
> perfectionist! I'm half thinking of doing something like that around here but 
> it would be so different.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: DagT
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:38 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO - K-1 in Krakow
> 
> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
> FA135.
> 
> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking 
> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love 
> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No 
> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
> 
> 
> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over FA24 
> and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
> 
> Pictures here
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
> with the focal length under the thumbs.
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Re: PESO - K-1 in Krakow

Thanks, Jack!

DagT

> 30. jul. 2016 kl. 14.44 skrev Jack Davis :
> 
> Terrific array of solid, well composed images. 
> Very well done, DagT!
> 
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "DagT" 
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> Subject: PESO - K-1 in Krakow
> 
> I had a trip with K-1 in Krakow last week with FA*24, FA31, FA43, FA77 and 
> FA135.
> 
> K-1 is great, although a little heavy when you walk 20km a day taking 
> pictures. The 2.8-zooms would be too much. The files are great, and I love 
> the two wheels and possibility to lock some of the buttons on the back. No 
> more unintentional adjustments of the white balance :-)
> 
> 
> The Limited lenses were as expected, but I´m a little disappointed over FA24 
> and FA135 wide open. Stopped down a couple of steps they are good.
> 
> Pictures here
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/photos-4/krakow2016.html
> with the focal length under the thumbs.
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The Eating of the Hat

2016-08-02 Thread Steve Cottrell

Sorry been a bit quiet on the list recently. Had quick looks at loads of
pics but not even had chance to post comments. We had a new boiler
(furnace) installed so 1 week of hell. And work has gone mental, so too
many hours holding a big camera on shoulder.

For a break we are heading over to Norway to see the Oksne clan, and
yy I get to concentrate on still photographs, Pentax lenses even!

I gather there will be some news as well regarding the Eating of the Hat
ceremony. Can't say too much at this stage but there will be
photographic evidence, a veritable phalanx of Holy Men overseeing,
various onlookers and a contingent of vestal virgins ready to verify the deed.

Stay tuned and all will be revealed.

Allegedly.

I'd provide a live video link but Sessoms would still be fiddling with a
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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

2016-08-02 Thread Mark Roberts

ann sanfedele wrote:

>Ditto what Bob said ... except the bright colors are part of what 
>attracts the hummers... they think they are flowers .. so that is a 
>predicament.

Serious hummingbird photographers get liquid hummingbird food
(basically sugary water) for feeders and use an eyedropper to load it
into real flowers. Attracts the birds to a specific flower (at which
your tripod-mounted camera and long lens are aimed) and looks much
nicer than those ugly feeders.

Just sitting down with a big lens and trying to track hummingbirds as
they choose their own flowers is a good way to burn off a thousand
shots or so while only getting one or two keepers. Mind you, every
once in a while you do get a good one:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d904208.htm

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Re: Photographing on ice

2016-08-02 Thread David J Brooks

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>

> If anybody has had experience with photographing on skating rinks, I'd
> appreciate your tips and thoughts.

I don't have much experience maybe 4 or 5 ice hockey games is about
it. I used back then my D2H and 70-200 f2.8. I set iso around 1250 or
so, and did a custom WB on the ice. I tried to find an area for that
that was most of the ice surface. I shot around F3.5 and my shutter
speeds were in the 125 range. I did a lot of panning until the skater
reached the net area then i could single focus. Used the WB tool to
get something close to actual colour.

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> Thanks,
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> Igor
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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

Ditto what Bob said ... except the bright colors are part of what 
attracts the hummers... they think they are flowers .. so that is a 
predicament.


("what a revolding predicament":-))

ann


On 8/2/2016 2:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

That's much better. The feeder may be good for learning to shoot them, but when 
you get confident you'll have to get another one as those bright colours will 
always detract from the birds.
B


On 2 Aug 2016, at 14:41, Jack Davis  wrote:


"Better"
Taken early this AM. Still rather dark.
Taken with 6400 shutter, PTTL, full flash.
Took some punching up!

C?

J

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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

That's much better. The feeder may be good for learning to shoot them, but when 
you get confident you'll have to get another one as those bright colours will 
always detract from the birds.
B

> On 2 Aug 2016, at 14:41, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> "Better"
> Taken early this AM. Still rather dark.
> Taken with 6400 shutter, PTTL, full flash.
> Took some punching up!
> 
> C?
> 
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Re: GESO "best of" for July

Doesn't make it anymore tolerable to mevisually - it's hideous.  but 
glad it ison private property :-)


ann


On 8/2/2016 11:26 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On August 2, 2016 7:51:43 AM PDT, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I like the first three the best ...
chuckling over the "car print ad" you have...

The "prove it" with that red painted heart on the left just makes my
blood boil... saw so much of that
desicration of the natural world on road trips.. the worst kind of
tagging.. I can't get past that to the humor..
But I'm guessing you were also offended.

It's on private property (the toll house resort) next to a busy street, the one 
I live on.  So nothing really to get upset about.  The heart shaped rock has 
been painted for years.


ann


On 8/2/2016 8:54 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Thanks Dan and Bob.

LRC

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I love the night sky images!


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On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


I think I've posted these all as PESOs, but I spent a lot of time
playing
with my new toy this month.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668255117524/

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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)


I have a "Better Beamer" but hesitate to use it from 7' ;-)
Sides, I have PLENTY of light, especially since it appears the 1/64 flash
will not freeze the Hummer wings and I'll be using shutter speed
instead.

J
- Original Message -
From: "Ken Waller" 
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Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 5:13:39 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

You gotta start somewhere Jack.

Moving them out from the structure on top of the feeder has got to help the 
lighting situation.

A 'Better Beamer' is a relatively cheap fresnel lens that will help project 
the light from your flash.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 
Subject: Hummer Freezing(?)


>
>
> My wife made the decision (of course) to hang a couple Hummingbird 
> feeders.
> I've been dinkin' around attempting to freeze them with an AF540-FGZ on 
> the K-3.
> I've chosen to use "M" flash setting at 1/64 duration. Not doing it!!
> Said setting does, however, fully light a scene 'prox 25' across the 
> family room..??
> 1/1=1/1200.
> Tried PTTL at minus a couple stops duration. Background too dark and image 
> soft. I read it
> can do 1/2 in the right light. Probably shooting into a mirror 
> close-up.;)
>
> Any one?
>
> J
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> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1080
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1081
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1082


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Re: OT would you keep your eyes out for me for...


thanks, Igor  but ...

nooo - not using third party stuff.. not that desperate :-)

If it gets to the tipping point I'll just bite the bullet and buy that 
one color retail


ann


On 8/2/2016 1:21 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Ann,

I am not sure if this would be a reasonable solution or not, but just 
in case:
There is a 3rd party cartridge sold on amazon for $6.89 (With free 
shipping):
https://www.amazon.com/LD-Remanufactured-Replacement-T059620-Cartridges/dp/B0045ZSRO2 



I have no idea about it's quality and reliability, but if you are 
desperate, maybe it's worth a try? I've never used refilled cartridges 
for my Epson R2880.


Good luck!

Igor


ann sanfedele Tue, 02 Aug 2016 08:37:32 -0700 wrote:


 Epson Inkjet Cartridge Light Magenta T059620 (for R2400)


I lost out on a $5.50 buy on ebay - I've been having perfectly good 
results with out of date Epson inks but at the moment I can't



find a light Magenta - would like not to have to pay retail for it If 
you come across one IRL or see one on line a heads up would be 
appreciated



as of a few minutes ago it was no go.

anything up to $10.00

thanks!

ann





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Re: OT would you keep your eyes out for me for...

2016-08-02 Thread Igor PDML-StR




Ann,

I am not sure if this would be a reasonable solution or not, but just in 
case:
There is a 3rd party cartridge sold on amazon for $6.89 (With free 
shipping):

https://www.amazon.com/LD-Remanufactured-Replacement-T059620-Cartridges/dp/B0045ZSRO2

I have no idea about it's quality and reliability, but if you are 
desperate, maybe it's worth a try? I've never used refilled cartridges for 
my Epson R2880.


Good luck!

Igor


ann sanfedele Tue, 02 Aug 2016 08:37:32 -0700 wrote:


 Epson Inkjet Cartridge Light Magenta T059620 (for R2400)


I lost out on a $5.50 buy on ebay - I've been having perfectly good 
results with out of date Epson inks but at the moment I can't



find a light Magenta - would like not to have to pay retail for it If you 
come across one IRL or see one on line a heads up would be appreciated



as of a few minutes ago it was no go.

anything up to $10.00

thanks!

ann


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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs

2016-08-02 Thread Carlos R.


I like the first one very much.

El 02/08/2016 a las 12:07, Alan C escribió:

A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing. There
are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks. Actually
quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a very
tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of
Brahman
blood there too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
Scroll right for the other.

K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.

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Photographing on ice

2016-08-02 Thread Igor PDML-StR




... well, on a skating rink.

[Preamble]
About 9 years ago, I've started photographing in very challenging 
conditions: dancers on a dimly-lit dance floor. That's when I had to 
develop certain (new for me) approaches and tricks in the procedure.

And many of you have seen Larry and me discussing some of those.
I've given several workshops on photographing dancers and dancing so that 
you would appear well on photographs, where some of the discussed topics 
were related to the low-light tricks.


I should mention how great it feels after all that, to photograph in 
bright-light conditions, where you can have much larger latitude in your 
settings (i.e. choose what to bump up: aperture, speed, dial down ISO, 
...)

[/preamble]


Now, here is the main story.
Recently, I've got new challenging conditions.
About 11 months or so ago, I've started photographing people on a skating 
rink. Even though the light is usually not as low, I've found that it is 
the condition that is also rather challenging.


The main challenges are with relatively wide dynamic range and with the 
proper color balance.
1. The ice, and white sides of the scating rink produce a relatively 
bright background. This makes it easy to underexpose the 
skaters. And the ice doesn't seem to work well as a reflector, i.e. I have 
to do "fill-in" in post for the faces.


2. The color gamma of the lights, and I am still trying to 
understand this, - is somewhat strange. If I am photographing on AWB, I am 
getting some color cast that I am having problems to describe. It is 
yellowish (or greenish?), or at least it seems that way to me.

I suspect it originates from the combination of lights used in the arena.
And I am yet to determine (I keep forgetting to look carefully) what types 
of lights (and accordingly, their temperature)  they are using.
I am guessing it might be due to the mixed temperatures of light, or a 
combination of the light temperature with the whiteness of the ice...
Maybe I am not diagnosing it correctly yet, - I am still thinking about 
it.

And I've observed a similar effect on another skating rink, in Austin.
If anybody has had experience with photographing on skating rinks, I'd 
appreciate your tips and thoughts.



Thanks,

Igor


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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs


Alan, I'm, again, impressed by your sharp and well composed images. Still using 
the K-7?
Prefer the pano shot.

J

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I like the panoa lot

Find the second one not up to the quality of the first- if you wanted a 
portrait of that little guy I'd suggest a much tighter crop -

ann



On 8/2/2016 9:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> Very nice. One of your best in terms of tone and color.
>
> On August 2, 2016 3:07:38 AM PDT, Alan C  wrote:
>> A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing.
>> There
>> are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks.
>> Actually
>> quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a
>> very
>> tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of
>> Brahman
>> blood there too.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
>> Scroll right for the other.
>>
>> K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.
>>
>> Alan C
>>
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OT would you keep your eyes out for me for...



 Epson Inkjet Cartridge Light Magenta T059620 (for R2400)

I lost out on a $5.50 buy on ebay  - I've been having perfectly good 
results with out of date Epson inks but at the moment I can't


find a light Magenta - would like not to have to pay retail for it  If 
you come across one IRL or see one on line a heads up would be appreciated


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Re: GESO "best of" for July

2016-08-02 Thread Ken Waller

Nice work Larry.


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen >
>Subject: GESO  "best of" for July
>
>I think I've posted these all as PESOs, but I spent a lot of time 
>playing with my new toy this month.
>
>http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668255117524/
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Re: GESO "best of" for July



On August 2, 2016 7:51:43 AM PDT, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
>I like the first three the best ...
>chuckling over the "car print ad" you have...
>
>The "prove it" with that red painted heart on the left just makes my 
>blood boil... saw so much of that
>desicration of the natural world on road trips.. the worst kind of 
>tagging.. I can't get past that to the humor..
>But I'm guessing you were also offended.

It's on private property (the toll house resort) next to a busy street, the one 
I live on.  So nothing really to get upset about.  The heart shaped rock has 
been painted for years. 

>
>ann
>
>
>On 8/2/2016 8:54 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Thanks Dan and Bob.
>>
>>LRC
>>
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> I love the night sky images!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
 I think I've posted these all as PESOs, but I spent a lot of time 
 playing
 with my new toy this month.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668255117524/

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Re: Interesting article in NYT about artists changing the world--with lots to say about the power of a photograph

2016-08-02 Thread Bulent Celasun

Thanks, Christine!

A concise take on why we will always need good photographs.

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> Hi PDMLers!
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> Just saw this in the NYT.  I didn’t know Fredrick Douglas had written 4 
> lectures on photography!  I thought the list might enjoy this editorial in 
> this morning’s NYT.
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs


I like the panoa lot

Find the second one not up to the quality of the first- if you wanted a 
portrait of that little guy I'd suggest a much tighter crop -


ann



On 8/2/2016 9:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Very nice. One of your best in terms of tone and color.

On August 2, 2016 3:07:38 AM PDT, Alan C  wrote:

A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing.
There
are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks.
Actually
quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a
very
tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of
Brahman
blood there too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
Scroll right for the other.

K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.

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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

Thanks, Paul. I went to the shutter for a try. 6400 was the set shutter speed 
in TAV. ISO was auto 2000.
I'd prefer to use the flash, but seems setting it to manual and increasing the 
setting to 1/64 duration is, surprisingly,
not able to freeze the wings.(??) 
When using the flash rather than shutter, I set the shutter to something slower 
even though I don't believe
it matters.
What would you feel the flash duration would be at 1/64?
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That’s nice. Shows the wing structure well. What do you mean by “6400 shutter?” 
6400 ISO? What shutter speed? Is the flash on  high-speed synch?
Paul
> On Aug 2, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> "Better"
> Taken early this AM. Still rather dark.
> Taken with 6400 shutter, PTTL, full flash.
> Took some punching up!
> 
> C?
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Re: GESO "best of" for July



I like the first three the best ...
chuckling over the "car print ad" you have...

The "prove it" with that red painted heart on the left just makes my 
blood boil... saw so much of that
desicration of the natural world on road trips.. the worst kind of 
tagging.. I can't get past that to the humor..

But I'm guessing you were also offended.

ann


On 8/2/2016 8:54 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Thanks Dan and Bob.

   LRC

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I love the night sky images!


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I think I've posted these all as PESOs, but I spent a lot of time 
playing

with my new toy this month.

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Re: Peso-Hard Freeze

2016-08-02 Thread Paul Stenquist

That’s nice. Shows the wing structure well. What do you mean by “6400 shutter?” 
6400 ISO? What shutter speed? Is the flash on  high-speed synch?
Paul
> On Aug 2, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> "Better"
> Taken early this AM. Still rather dark.
> Taken with 6400 shutter, PTTL, full flash.
> Took some punching up!
> 
> C?
> 
> J
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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs

Very nice. One of your best in terms of tone and color.

On August 2, 2016 3:07:38 AM PDT, Alan C  wrote:
>A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing.
>There
>are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks.
>Actually
>quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a
>very
>tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of
>Brahman
>blood there too.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
>Scroll right for the other.
>
>K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.
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Peso-Hard Freeze


"Better"
Taken early this AM. Still rather dark.
Taken with 6400 shutter, PTTL, full flash.
Took some punching up!

C?

J

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Interesting article in NYT about artists changing the world--with lots to say about the power of a photograph

2016-08-02 Thread Christine Aguila

Hi PDMLers!

Just saw this in the NYT.  I didn’t know Fredrick Douglas had written 4 
lectures on photography!  I thought the list might enjoy this editorial in this 
morning’s NYT.

Cheers, Christine

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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks




John wrote:

I wish the ghost of Babbage would mind his own business.

I have a Mac Mini I use for music. I couldn't afford to get a Mac with
as much power as this machine I built to run PhotoShop.

If you "roll your own" you're stuck with the choice of Windoze or
some flavor of Linux, and there's not a Linux version of PhotoShop.

Although, it may be time to begin giving GIMP another look.


Rather than GIMP, whatever Bibble is called these days. Doing a quick 
google:

http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot/pro/




On 8/1/2016 4:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This could be a message from the ghost of Babbage that you should go
get a Mac.



On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John  wrote:

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:


Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.

Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup
before
starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.



Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't get
a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.

As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
Backup & Restore to recognize it.

At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
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Re: GESO "best of" for July


Thanks Dan and Bob.

   LRC

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I love the night sky images!


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with my new toy this month.

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Re: GESO: Making Noise (Comparing ISO noise on K-3, K-1, and 645Z)

Re the dark exposure of the 50-135,
I actually apply 2/3 stop minus comp
with mine due a somewhat punchy 
contrast at times.
J

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> On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks much, Stan! All I had to do was find the small identifier.
> Sorry I gave up so soon!
> Did you use the 1.4 extender to allow for the K-3's APS-C image size?
> 
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stanley Halpin" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 1:08:34 PM
> Subject: Re: GESO: Making Noise (Comparing ISO noise on K-3, K-1, and 645Z)
> 
> Dan, At least I provided a (sand) bar where you could rest! And a log to sit 
> on even. Next you’ll be asking for sipping’ whiskey or some such…
> 
> But seriously, I totally understand, and am seldom able to get through this 
> sort of gallery put up by others.
> 
> Strategy:
> 1. If you single-click a thumbnail, the image will about fill the screen, 
> with a pane of thumbnails to the side. In this view, there is a caption at 
> the base of each image identifying body and ISO.
> 
> 2. K-1 images are first, then K-3, then 645Z. Then the cropped version of the 
> same images in the same order - K-1 from ISO 100 to ISO 204800, then K-3 from 
> ISO 100 to ISO 51200, then 645Z from ISO 100 to ISO 102400.
> 
> In my browser, you can use right and left grow keys to move through, and in 
> my browser, once I’ve gone through once, it is quite speedy to flick from one 
> to the next.
> 
> 3. So what I find will tell me the story is to treat it like an eye test of 
> sorts. No great detailed study of image by image. I start with the K-1, 
> fairly rapidly go sideways until I hit an image that is just too noisy (by 
> some undefinable criterion). I do the same with the K-3, the same again with 
> the 645Z. Repeat the exercise with the cropped versions. 
> 
> 4. Once this quick perusal is done, you have identified tentative top-end ISO 
> on each of the 3 and you can if you like try more detailed comparisons of 
> e.g. your top-end vs. the next better setting for that camera.
> 
> All of this is quite academic since a) as Paul noted, the results depend 
> quite a bit on the precise exposure, and b) these are unprocessed images, 
> compressed into jpegs. To get anything definitive from this you would need 
> the DNG files to import and play with using the noise reduction processes of 
> your choice. But I thought this first-cut simple comparison might be at least 
> slightly more useful than glowing reviews with comments like “usable up to 
> ISO 6400…”, whatever that means.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Stan, I would like very much to know how to identify these images by camera. 
>> Guess I'll just say, I don't get your
>> system. Can you please "simplify" for the simple minded? Off list would work 
>> best for me.
>> Thanks much, Stan!
>> 
>> Jack
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried to look at all the image, but my mind became water logged.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think the K-5ii did it best. But I don’t have one to “test”, so I offer
>>> for your amusement and edification a series of roughly parallel shots with
>>> the three cameras I do have.
>>> 
>>> Equipment:  K-1 with D FA 70-200/2.8
>>>   K-3 with FA 50-135/2.8 + 1.4 extender.
>>>   645Z with FA 150-300/4.0
>>> 
>>> Conditions: Tripod on my patio, looking across the river. Cloudy day,
>>> 2-2:30pm.
>>> 
>>> The shots were all taken with the cameras in AV mode, f/11. Except that at
>>> higher ISO levels I ran out of shutter speed and had to increase the f/
>>> stop to avoid over exposure.
>>> I tried to find a zoom factor that would yield approximately the same FOV,
>>> but then screwed up by adding the 1.4x to the 50-135. Oh well. The other
>>> two are at about 190mm effective focal length in 35mm terms, the K-3 was at
>>> a about
>>> Autofocus on the middle of the log on the sandbar, then refined (?) via
>>> manual four with Liveview assist.
>>> 
>>> Shutter release via wireless remote, 3sec delay.
>>> 
>>> I started at ISO 100, then 400, 1600, etc. as high as I could go with the
>>> given camera. No post processing other than the cropping. Oh, and my
>>> default sharpening @ 35/0.7/35.
>>> 
>>> The full sized images for all three are presented first, followed by a
>>> cropped version of the images in the same sequence. Of course some
>>> compression occurred when I exported to jpg from LR (max width set at 4800)
>>> and then the website II use limits the size of images so imparts its own
>>> compression. If anyone is seriously interested, I could put full sized DNG
>>> copies in Dropbox.
>>>

Re: GESO "best of" for July

2016-08-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

I love the night sky images!


Dan Matyola
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> with my new toy this month.
>
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Re: PESO - READY. SET. GO!


:-))

J

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Subject: Re: PESO - READY. SET. GO!

But don't you step on my blue suede shoes.

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Re: PESO - READY. SET. GO!

2016-08-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

I love it.  His posture certainly makes the image.


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Re: PESO - READY. SET. GO!

2016-08-02 Thread John


But don't you step on my blue suede shoes.

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Re: Hummer Freezing(?)

Shame!  :-))
J

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>> That wing flap count must be "per second."
> 
> Correct Jack - I mistyped the info.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)
> 
> 
>> That wing flap count must be "per second."
>> Had to imagine a hummer smaller
>> than ours.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> According to my 'Birds of Michigan' book, the Ruy-throated hummingbird is 
>>> the only hummingbird regularily seen in Michigan.
>>> No other bird is as tiny.
>>> Its the only bird able to fly backwards.
>>> The wings flap 50-60 time a minute.
>>> The heart pumps 1,260 beats per minute.
>>> It breathes 250 time per minute.
>>> It weighs 2 to 3 grans.
>>> Five average hummingbirds about equals the weight of one chickadee.
>>> 
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
>>> Subject: Re: Hummer Freezing(?)
>>> 
>>> 
 
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
> 
> Hummers are tough!
 
 They’re quite good if you braise them for several hours, but there’s not a 
 lot of meat on them.
 
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Re: PESO - READY. SET. GO!

Wellmaybe later...or not???

J

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> On Aug 1, 2016, at 10:53 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> :-)  or not...
> 
> ann
> 
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Re: PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs

Another nicely done sharp image, Alan!
Caption: "can we help you?"

J

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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing. There
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> quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a very
> tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of Brahman
> blood there too.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
> Scroll right for the other.
> 
> K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.
> 
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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-02 Thread John


I wish the ghost of Babbage would mind his own business.

I have a Mac Mini I use for music. I couldn't afford to get a Mac with
as much power as this machine I built to run PhotoShop.

If you "roll your own" you're stuck with the choice of Windoze or
some flavor of Linux, and there's not a Linux version of PhotoShop.

Although, it may be time to begin giving GIMP another look.

On 8/1/2016 4:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This could be a message from the ghost of Babbage that you should go get a Mac.



On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John  wrote:

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:


Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.

Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup before
starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.



Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't get
a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.

As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
Backup & Restore to recognize it.

At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
original software media and install from scratch.



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PESO x 2: Beating the Hunger Pangs


A small herd of cattle which strayed into town in search of grazing. There
are several lush spots in this "park" irrigated by mains leaks. Actually
quite dangerous with no herdsman in sight. These are Nguni cattle, a very
tough (ancient) African breed, although I'll wager there is a bit of Brahman
blood there too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/28684761916/
Scroll right for the other.

K7 with the DA 18-55 WR on an overcast day.

Alan C 



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Re: GESO "best of" for July

All very good!
B

> On 2 Aug 2016, at 07:01, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I think I've posted these all as PESOs, but I spent a lot of time playing 
> with my new toy this month.
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668255117524/
> 
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GESO "best of" for July