date:20170125

PESO -- Spring Idle

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling

I shot this damn, now that I look at it, about 5 years ago give or take 
a season, and experimented with a bunch of different crops.  Never got 
around to posting it.  It really needs to be framed tighter for the 
internet or printed bigger, also I managed to have a tree growing out of 
the young woman's head...


The reason I finally posted it was the cropping discussion earlier.

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20springidle.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/vmc Vivitar 70-210mm f2.8~4.0 (Komine)

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Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Dramatic shapes and colors!


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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of
> weeks ago
>
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-a
> ll-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL
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> Hand-held  , not cropped ..
> K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800
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Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-25 Thread Marco Alpert

How apropos.

m

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of 
> weeks ago
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL
> 
> Hand-held  , not cropped ..
> K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800
> 
> ann
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Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

A dark mood to be sure. Well done.

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple of 
> weeks ago
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL
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> Hand-held  , not cropped ..
> K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800
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Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-25 Thread ann sanfedele


Thanks, Philip..

ann


On 1/25/2017 11:43 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

Nice silhouette, definitely looks evil

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On 26/1/17 3:31 pm, ann sanfedele wrote:

taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple
of weeks ago

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL 




Hand-held  , not cropped ..
K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800

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Re: Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-25 Thread Philip Northeast


Nice silhouette, definitely looks evil

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On 26/1/17 3:31 pm, ann sanfedele wrote:

taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple
of weeks ago

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL


Hand-held  , not cropped ..
K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800

ann




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Re: DP review learned it's lesson on the K-3, the KP first look is already up.

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling

Thanks for the offer but I cannot afford either at the moment. I'm just 
happy I have the one I've got.



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I have a nice K5 with battery grip to sell. And it's possible I could be 
persuaded to part with my K3. I have the grip for that camera as well.

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On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:14 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/slrs/pentax_kp

They say it's the successor to the K-3 line.  The user interface that began 
with the K-7 is now completely replaced.  Long live the new user interface*...

Looks like I'll have to be satisfied with used K-5/K-3 cameras for a long time.


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Peso : The Evil Sky

2017-01-25 Thread ann sanfedele

taken the same evening as the Gaudy Sky that I showed you lot a couple 
of weeks ago


https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-PV5tG7C/XL

Hand-held  , not cropped ..
K-5, DA18-55 ISO 800

ann


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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

So it's not a screen on the back of the camera? Then I'm okay with it. You have 
my permission to proceed. :-). I'm clueless when it comes to mirrorless.

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> Paul Stenquist wrote:
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>> I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen 
>> from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.
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> It's called "EVF" or electronic viewfinder. Smaller than a pentaprism.
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>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  
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>>> Brian Walters wrote:
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 Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
 and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
 a thought...
>>> 
>>> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
>>> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
>>> eventually but it will take longer.
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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Mark Roberts

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen from 
>ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.

It's called "EVF" or electronic viewfinder. Smaller than a pentaprism.


>Paul via phone
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>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Brian Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>>> a thought...
>> 
>> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
>> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
>> eventually but it will take longer.
 
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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

To that add the problem of no diopter correction. Right? I've never used 
mirrorless, but I assume it's approximately the same as live view??

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen 
> from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.
> 
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>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Brian Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>>> a thought...
>> 
>> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
>> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
>> eventually but it will take longer.
>> 
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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen from 
ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>> a thought...
> 
> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
> eventually but it will take longer.
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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Mark Roberts

Brian Walters wrote:

>Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>a thought...

APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
eventually but it will take longer.

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Re: PESO: Carlton Beach

2017-01-25 Thread Philip Northeast


Brian

There is a sand dune to the right cutting off the full view of the 
beach, so I was mainly trying to minimise that obstruction. But next 
time I go there I will try climbing to the top of the dune for a 
different angle.



Carlton Beach is on the Eastern side of the moth of the Derwent River 
estuary. The mountain in the background is Mt Wellington.


I did have the GPS on t K1 turned on so on the photo's flkr page there 
is a good map of the location and where the picture was taken. I do like 
the GPS function.



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On 26/1/17 11:04 am, Brian Walters wrote:

Peaceful looking spot.

I would have liked to have seen the full sweep of the beach rather than
being cut off on the right.  Other than that - very nice, especially
with the dog walkers to give scale.

Where is Carlton Beach?


Cheers

Brian

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017, at 02:31 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

Summer's day at Carlton Beach

https://flic.kr/p/RwW8Ca

Pentax K1  & Sigma 35mm f1.4mm art lens

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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

Sounds like APS-C is going to be strictly an enthusiast line for Pentax. That 
would make sense. Or perhaps there's more to come.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> From my experience, the K-3 is an excellent studio camera. The KP
> doesn't even have X mode on the dial, and they left off the X-sync
> socket.
> 
> It only accepts a single HDXC card.
> 
> Missing lots of handy controls off the back. No top info LCD. But it
> has a dial position for HDR. Retch. Why not one for selective colour
> too?
> 
> Plenty to not like here. I'd take a K-3ii over this.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the 
>> lens. Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a 
>> step up in  high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus 
>> is excellent.
>> 
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>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather 
>>> sealed lens...
>>> 
>>> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
>>> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it 
>>> probably was...
>>> 
>>> 
 On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
 https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
 
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Re: DP review learned it's lesson on the K-3, the KP first look is already up.

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

I have a nice K5 with battery grip to sell. And it's possible I could be 
persuaded to part with my K3. I have the grip for that camera as well.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:14 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/slrs/pentax_kp
> 
> They say it's the successor to the K-3 line.  The user interface that began 
> with the K-7 is now completely replaced.  Long live the new user interface*...
> 
> Looks like I'll have to be satisfied with used K-5/K-3 cameras for a long 
> time.
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DP review learned it's lesson on the K-3, the KP first look is already up.

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling


https://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/slrs/pentax_kp

They say it's the successor to the K-3 line.  The user interface that 
began with the K-7 is now completely replaced.  Long live the new user 
interface*...


Looks like I'll have to be satisfied with used K-5/K-3 cameras for a 
long time.



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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Bruce Walker

>From my experience, the K-3 is an excellent studio camera. The KP
doesn't even have X mode on the dial, and they left off the X-sync
socket.

It only accepts a single HDXC card.

Missing lots of handy controls off the back. No top info LCD. But it
has a dial position for HDR. Retch. Why not one for selective colour
too?

Plenty to not like here. I'd take a K-3ii over this.


On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the 
> lens. Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a step 
> up in  high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus is 
> excellent.
>
> Paul via phone
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>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>
>> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather sealed 
>> lens...
>>
>> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
>> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it probably 
>> was...
>>
>>
>>> On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
>>> https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
>>>
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Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling


There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485


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PESO - Alfama Garden

2017-01-25 Thread Rick Womer

There's no flat ground, and very little space, so...

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18336402

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments appreciated.

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Bottom line thought about the new KP

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling

Everything is a trade off in photography.   I can see some of the 
reasons for the things that were traded off, but I think the they're 
headed in the wrong direction for a DSLR.



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Re: Cropping

2017-01-25 Thread Ken Waller

>...work with just one lens, to make it easier to concentrate on framing 
and composition.


Don't see how that would work in outdoor/nature photography.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Weir" 

Subject: Re: Cropping





On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what 
interests me in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?


Don’t know where to start in responding to the responses. So many. So 
interesing. So helpful. Special thanks to Cotty, Bob, Larry, and Stan. 
Also Paul, John C, Ann, Igor, and Boris. I think I’ll try to summarize and 
maybe later respond to individual responses. I hope y’all will be able to 
find yourselves in the summary.


So what I heard was: Try frame to get what you want in the first place. 
Reduce the variables, e.g., work with just one lens, to make it easier to 
concentrate on framing and composition. Study composition, and work to get 
better at it. On the other hand, cropping is involved from beginning to 
end, from composing the shot before it’s taken to final editing for 
presentation. And it is the image presented that is important. Often 
circumstances, e.g., dynamic moving or changing subjects or settings, make 
it difficult to frame for the image you want. You can frame too tight, 
missing the image you wanted. Occasionally there’s a secondary image in 
the original image that can be brought out by cropping. Reframing in post 
is/may be an aesthetic necessity. Finally, aiming to frame right in the 
first placing and cropping in post both can help you see more creatively.


Again, thanks too all. I don’t know much, but a hell of a lot of what I 
know I learned from y’all.


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Re: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water. Now in formerly Living Color.

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling

Well true but I bet I could take the tiff file from the second version 
and create an improved B as well.



On 1/25/2017 7:11 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I like that =a lot= more.  The winter-ness of it is much enhanced, and
the variation in color in the grasses is much greater than the
variation in greys was.

Cheers,

Rick
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 11:21 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

It was a fairly grey day, and the image was two toned really, but here it
is.

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20marshstream-c.html

On 1/24/2017 8:55 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I join the appreciative chorus. I'm curious about a color rendering,
though.

Rick


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 23:33 Alan C  wrote:


Nice composition PJ. It can't be too salty with that amount of grass. I
have

that lens - perhaps it needs an outing? I tend to use the HD 55-300 90%
of

the time.



Alan C



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From: P. J. Alling

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Subject: PESO -- Salt marsh with open water.



Winter scene, brown grass, rocks, sand, a little snow, and very cold
water.



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Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6



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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling

Well they've "upgraded" the hardware of the user interface but 
downgraded a lot of the actual mechanical specifications of the camera 
itself.   Except for the high ISO limit everything else seems to be 
equal or less than the K-3.



On 1/25/2017 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the lens. 
Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a step up in  
high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus is excellent.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather sealed 
lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it probably 
was...



On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

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That might make sense if there was any evidence at all that Ricoh has
any interest at all in building an advanced mirrorless camera line.
They had the basis for one and decided do quietly drop it, (and I don't
mean either Pentax product). What this reminds me of more than anything
is the Canon EOS SL but at a higher level.

Pentax was actually gaining traction in the DSLR mindspace with the
K-5/K-3 cameras. In fact a lot of Nikon D300 users actually were
posting a few years ago that those cameras were the true successors to
the D300 that Nikon couldn't be bothered to build.

I wasn't going to voice this but, what it looks to me more than
anything, is that the Nikon D500 frightened Ricoh into ceding the field
of advanced to semi pro APS-C DSLRs to Nikon. Ricoh decided that they
couldn't really compete with Nikon if they decided to build a real
flagship APS-C DSLR, so they're sticking to the advanced amateur level
with features that no one else is bothering with.

I mean just look at the specifications, USB 2.0, the lower specification
SD card/bus speed than any other advanced camera using SD cards. Single
SD card slot, well I assume that because if it were dual slots they'd
surely mention that in the specifications. Slower maximum mechanical
shutter speed, with no mention of a cyclic life longer than 100,000.

Really this is pretty much the mechanics of a K-70 with mostly software
tricks to make it seem like an advanced camera. Sure there are lots of
dials and I kind of like that but the guts of the camera seem to be not
much more than a K-70 with a bigger buffer.

About the only specification that seems to be advanced is the new High
ISO limit.

On 1/25/2017 7:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather
sealed lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...

Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C. Just
a thought...

Cheers

Brian

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Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/

On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

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Re: Cropping

2017-01-25 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> I crop often. Sometimes radically. To focus more clearly on what interests me 
> in the image. Am I a terrible photographer?

Don’t know where to start in responding to the responses. So many. So 
interesing. So helpful. Special thanks to Cotty, Bob, Larry, and Stan. Also 
Paul, John C, Ann, Igor, and Boris. I think I’ll try to summarize and maybe 
later respond to individual responses. I hope y’all will be able to find 
yourselves in the summary.

So what I heard was: Try frame to get what you want in the first place. Reduce 
the variables, e.g., work with just one lens, to make it easier to concentrate 
on framing and composition. Study composition, and work to get better at it. On 
the other hand, cropping is involved from beginning to end, from composing the 
shot before it’s taken to final editing for presentation. And it is the image 
presented that is important. Often circumstances, e.g., dynamic moving or 
changing subjects or settings, make it difficult to frame for the image you 
want. You can frame too tight, missing the image you wanted. Occasionally 
there’s a secondary image in the original image that can be brought out by 
cropping. Reframing in post is/may be an aesthetic necessity. Finally, aiming 
to frame right in the first placing and cropping in post both can help you see 
more creatively. 

Again, thanks too all. I don’t know much, but a hell of a lot of what I know I 
learned from y’all.

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Re: KP pre-order

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the lens. 
Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a step up in  
high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus is excellent.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather sealed 
> lens...
> 
> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it probably 
> was...
> 
> 
>> On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
>> https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
>> 
>> Paul via phone
> 
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