Re: Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE

[Brian Walters]

Thanks for the suggestion, John.

I'm not sure I want to spend good money on this machine - it's mainly
used when I travel and as a third backup for my photo collection (it's
convenient to have my entire catalog with me when I travel but I don't
rely on the machine as a main backup).

Apart from the Update problem, the biggest drawback is the size of the
existing HD.  It's just about got to the stage where I wont be able to
store my complete image archive.  I don't think an SSD will help there.

As an aside, I know Vista gets a lot of bad press but I've found it
quite reliable on this machine (so much so that I never bothered to
install the Win 7 update that came with it).


Cheers

Brian

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On Mon, May 29, 2017, at 09:24 AM, John Coyle wrote:
> Brian, I was in the same situation up till a couple of months ago: then I
> had an SSD with W10 put
> into my Toshiba laptop, and the techie transferred all my installs at the
> same time - did a
> brilliant job.  Now the thing is incredibly fast, even though it is now 8
> years old!
> 
> I'd try that rather than using the old HDD, which could be close to
> failing anyway.
> 
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters
> Sent: Monday, 29 May 2017 7:45 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE
> 
> I might have to try that.
> 
> My old Vista laptop hasn't been updated for about a year because the
> Update just stayed on 0%
> downloaded for hours.  I'll try the overnight thing.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
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> 
> On Mon, May 29, 2017, at 05:39 AM, John wrote:
> > 1. I finally got Windoze Update working on the Toshiba.
> > 
> > Based on something I read on a Microsoft forum, I left it running 
> > overnight searching for updates. There were 18 updates available when 
> > I got out of bed this morning. Apparently the Update Client has to 
> > update itself before it will find updates. I'm installing them in 
> > small batches based on release date, oldest first. So far, I've only had 
> > one to fail.
> > I'll try that one again after I've installed all the others.
> > 
> > 2. Egghead finally coughed up a page full of refurbished laptops with 
> > Windows 7 Professional 64bit installed.
> > 
> > If I still end up having to replace the Toshiba, my NEW plan is to get 
> > one of these. Linux can wait until I can no longer get Windows 7.
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PESO: Memorial Day USA

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://www.photo.net/photo/12215070/iwo-jima-memorial

Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!

Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces in the sky.
Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair;
Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air!

Eternal Father, grant, we pray,
To all Marines, both night and day,
The courage, honor, strength, and skill
Their land to serve, thy law fulfill;
Be thou the shield forevermore
>From every peril to the Corps.

Dan Matyola
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Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

[P. J. Alling]

There I forgot to hit reply to list...



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Really annoying new behavior
Date:   Sun, 28 May 2017 21:52:35 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling 
To: Doug Brewer 



There's probably something changed in the Thunderbird settings that
happened with the last update.  I can probably change it back to the
previous settings if I do a google lookup.  I just have to remember to
use the Reply List rather than the Reply button.

On 5/28/2017 5:55 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird 
has done something new without looking at their release notes, but 
"reply list" works fine.


If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list address, 
stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK without 
that for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply settings.


On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating 
persons email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've 
been doing but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really 
hate when crap like that happens.







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Re: PESO milonga violinist

[John]

The microphone doesn't detract, but if it bothers you, it could be
easily cloned out.

On 5/28/2017 20:37, Larry Colen wrote:

I've recently started embarrassing myself at tango. I went to a milonga
last night and used my camera as an excuse to take a break from dancing
at something that still takes a lot of work to even aspire to mediocrity.

When I was photographing the violinist, I was quite frustrated at the
difficulty at getting a shot without the mic in the way.  However, I
quite like the way all the diagonal lines worked out in this frame:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/34569003700/in/album-72157684390382195/


C appreciated as always.  I wonder if Igor will recognize anyone as it
was just a local dance.

Set of photos of both musicians and dancers:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157684390382195



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PESO milonga violinist

[Larry Colen]

I've recently started embarrassing myself at tango. I went to a milonga 
last night and used my camera as an excuse to take a break from dancing 
at something that still takes a lot of work to even aspire to mediocrity.


When I was photographing the violinist, I was quite frustrated at the 
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quite like the way all the diagonal lines worked out in this frame:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/34569003700/in/album-72157684390382195/

C appreciated as always.  I wonder if Igor will recognize anyone as it 
was just a local dance.


Set of photos of both musicians and dancers:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157684390382195

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Re: PESO - Click beetle

[Rick Womer]

An ugly bug, nicely composed in a beautiful setting. I like it.

You don’t seem terribly out of practice, Jostein!

Rick



> On May 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Ugly little critter, but otherwise a fine image, Jostein.
> 
> 
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> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> 
>> http://www.alunfoto.no/innhold/skjellsmeller/
>> 
>> From the garden today. When I transfered the files to Lightroom, I noticed
>> I haven't done any photography at all since March. Kinda explains why it
>> felt good. :-)
>> 
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RE: Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE

[John Coyle]

Brian, I was in the same situation up till a couple of months ago: then I had 
an SSD with W10 put
into my Toshiba laptop, and the techie transferred all my installs at the same 
time - did a
brilliant job.  Now the thing is incredibly fast, even though it is now 8 years 
old!

I'd try that rather than using the old HDD, which could be close to failing 
anyway.


John in Brisbane

 

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Sent: Monday, 29 May 2017 7:45 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE

I might have to try that.

My old Vista laptop hasn't been updated for about a year because the Update 
just stayed on 0%
downloaded for hours.  I'll try the overnight thing.


Cheers

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On Mon, May 29, 2017, at 05:39 AM, John wrote:
> 1. I finally got Windoze Update working on the Toshiba.
> 
> Based on something I read on a Microsoft forum, I left it running 
> overnight searching for updates. There were 18 updates available when 
> I got out of bed this morning. Apparently the Update Client has to 
> update itself before it will find updates. I'm installing them in 
> small batches based on release date, oldest first. So far, I've only had one 
> to fail.
> I'll try that one again after I've installed all the others.
> 
> 2. Egghead finally coughed up a page full of refurbished laptops with 
> Windows 7 Professional 64bit installed.
> 
> If I still end up having to replace the Toshiba, my NEW plan is to get 
> one of these. Linux can wait until I can no longer get Windows 7.
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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Jack Davis]

My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
behavior, wanted to clarify.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ann, all recent mail I've sent you has been "on list."
> 
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John" 
> To: "ann sanfedele" , "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:03:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior
> 
> I received this as a personal reply from Ann, with two "To:" headers
> Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Me 
> 
> I have not yet seen it come up on the PDML list.
> 
> I'm sending this reply as "Reply All" which gives me
> To: ann sanfedele 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> 
> We'll see where it shows up.
> 
> (The "XXX" is so email addresses can't be harvested from the PDML
> archive if this gets through there.)
> 
> On list emails I have the choice of "Reply List", "Reply All" & "Reply".
> My default is set to "Reply" which so far does seem to make it show up
> on the PDML (unless I hit an Earthlink server that's being blacklisted
> by SpamEatingMonkey).
> 
>> On 5/28/2017 13:49, ann sanfedele wrote:
>> ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
>> the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder -
>> but my reply to list answering Larry did.
>> 
>> I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except
>> from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:
 On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 
 P. J. Alling wrote:
> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
> software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies
> lately
> that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
> rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
> I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
> that happens.
 
 It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
 person goes out to the whole list.
>>> 
>>> That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
>>> whole list is turning in to a private reply.
>>> 
>>> I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.
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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE

[Mark Roberts]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 15:39:12 -0400, John wrote:

>Egghead finally coughed up a page full of refurbished laptops with
>Windows 7 Professional 64bit installed.
>
>If I still end up having to replace the Toshiba, my NEW plan is to get
>one of these. Linux can wait until I can no longer get Windows 7.

That's the most sensible idea yet.

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Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Mark C]

And, DUH, I just sent that reply to PJ and not the list...


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Same thing here - defaults to sending replies to the poster and not the

list. Thunderbird update a few days ago and I suspect that is the culprit.


On 5/28/2017 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when 
crap like that happens.






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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Larry Colen]

Doug Brewer wrote:

I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird
has done something new without looking at their release notes, but
"reply list" works fine.

If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list address,
stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK without that
for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply settings.


Please do not do that.  It causes some really bad things to happen when 
people think that they are replying privately and it goes to everyone, 
because a lot of times mail clients will say that it it going to the 
individual, and set the email to the list.


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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Doug Brewer]

I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird 
has done something new without looking at their release notes, but 
"reply list" works fine.


If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list address, 
stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK without that 
for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply settings.


On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when crap 
like that happens.





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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE

[Brian Walters]

I might have to try that.

My old Vista laptop hasn't been updated for about a year because the
Update just stayed on 0% downloaded for hours.  I'll try the overnight
thing.


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On Mon, May 29, 2017, at 05:39 AM, John wrote:
> 1. I finally got Windoze Update working on the Toshiba.
> 
> Based on something I read on a Microsoft forum, I left it running
> overnight searching for updates. There were 18 updates available when I
> got out of bed this morning. Apparently the Update Client has to update
> itself before it will find updates. I'm installing them in small batches
> based on release date, oldest first. So far, I've only had one to fail.
> I'll try that one again after I've installed all the others.
> 
> 2. Egghead finally coughed up a page full of refurbished laptops with
> Windows 7 Professional 64bit installed.
> 
> If I still end up having to replace the Toshiba, my NEW plan is to get
> one of these. Linux can wait until I can no longer get Windows 7.
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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[ann sanfedele]

Yes I see those coming up -- but all of Jack's mail about Canyonlands 
and the such have come in only to me and not in the PDML folder..

when I replied I just hit reply to those...

in this reply to you, Dan, I'm doing "reply all"

Glad P.J. pointed out the annoyance with thunderbird

ann

On 5/28/2017 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Ann:

I can see at least two posts from you in this thread alone.


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On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM, ann sanfedele > wrote:


agreed :-)
but...  can you read me now?  I have yet to see my reply to list
of a few minutes ago show up - ugh

ann

On 5/28/2017 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something
or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of
replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating
persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been
doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when
crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply
to one person goes out to the whole list.






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LR 6.10 warning

[Larry Colen]

I just upgraded to 6.10 last night and have run into a couple of quirks.

When adjusting curves, where you can click on the photo and use the 
brightness at that point as the place on the curve to adjust seems to be 
broken and all it does is drag the photo around.


Also, performance seems to really suck in some places, like when I'm 
trying to export photos and change the name of the target directory, I'm 
getting lots of spinny balls. I don't know whether the performance 
issues are MacOs or LR, but it's never been quite this bad before.


It's probably worth waiting for things to settle out before going to the 
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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/5/17, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I may bite the bullet and
>buy a MacBook.

Have you considered one from the Apple Refurb Store? Worth searching out
- they are guaranteed as the new ones and savings are generally good
over brand new. I've bought Apple Refurb a few times (iPad Minis). Great
value.

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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[Steve Cottrell]

If I may hold up a flag for actually cost-effective Macs?

I bought my 2012 MacBook Pro about 3 years ago, used. No warranty. I
paid half the brand new price and I have been using it professionally
ever since editing video for broadcast news, as well as all the other
stuff that we need computers for and it has not skipped a beat. If it
does, I expect I might need to replace the motherboard at some point.

All I've ever done is replace the HD with a 250 GB SSD and maxed out the RAM.

I run 10.8.5 and all my stuff just works.

I can't afford top dollar for new computers either - so value for money
is important for me.

And althought I *used* to be a bit of an Apple fanboy, no longer. I
tossed my iPhone 6 a year ago for a BlackBerry Classic and not looked
back. Would love a BB KEYone but too expensive for now...

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Re: PESO - Click beetle

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ugly little critter, but otherwise a fine image, Jostein.


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On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Jostein  wrote:

> http://www.alunfoto.no/innhold/skjellsmeller/
>
> From the garden today. When I transfered the files to Lightroom, I noticed
> I haven't done any photography at all since March. Kinda explains why it
> felt good. :-)
>
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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ann:

I can see at least two posts from you in this thread alone.


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On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> agreed :-)
> but...  can you read me now?  I have yet to see my reply to list of a few
> minutes ago show up - ugh
>
> ann
>
> On 5/28/2017 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
>>> software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
>>> that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
>>> rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
>>> I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
>>> that happens.
>>>
>>
>> It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
>> person goes out to the whole list.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Semi-OT: Maybe ... STATUS UPDATE

[John]

1. I finally got Windoze Update working on the Toshiba.

Based on something I read on a Microsoft forum, I left it running
overnight searching for updates. There were 18 updates available when I
got out of bed this morning. Apparently the Update Client has to update
itself before it will find updates. I'm installing them in small batches
based on release date, oldest first. So far, I've only had one to fail.
I'll try that one again after I've installed all the others.

2. Egghead finally coughed up a page full of refurbished laptops with
Windows 7 Professional 64bit installed.

If I still end up having to replace the Toshiba, my NEW plan is to get
one of these. Linux can wait until I can no longer get Windows 7.

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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Jack Davis]

Ann, all recent mail I've sent you has been "on list."

J

- Original Message -
From: "John" 
To: "ann sanfedele" , "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:03:19 PM
Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior

I received this as a personal reply from Ann, with two "To:" headers
Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Me 

I have not yet seen it come up on the PDML list.

I'm sending this reply as "Reply All" which gives me
To: ann sanfedele 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

We'll see where it shows up.

(The "XXX" is so email addresses can't be harvested from the PDML
archive if this gets through there.)

On list emails I have the choice of "Reply List", "Reply All" & "Reply".
My default is set to "Reply" which so far does seem to make it show up
on the PDML (unless I hit an Earthlink server that's being blacklisted
by SpamEatingMonkey).

On 5/28/2017 13:49, ann sanfedele wrote:
> ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
> the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder -
> but my reply to list answering Larry did.
>
> I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except
> from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think
>
> ann
>
> On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:
>> On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> P. J. Alling wrote:
 So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
 software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies
 lately
 that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
 rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
 I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
 that happens.
>>>
>>> It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
>>> person goes out to the whole list.
>>>
>>
>> That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
>> whole list is turning in to a private reply.
>>
>> I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Jostein]

Now that will take some getting used to...
Jostein

Den 28.05.2017 18.24, skrev P. J. Alling:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when crap 
like that happens.





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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[John]

I received this as a personal reply from Ann, with two "To:" headers
Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Me 

I have not yet seen it come up on the PDML list.

I'm sending this reply as "Reply All" which gives me
To: ann sanfedele 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

We'll see where it shows up.

(The "XXX" is so email addresses can't be harvested from the PDML
archive if this gets through there.)

On list emails I have the choice of "Reply List", "Reply All" & "Reply".
My default is set to "Reply" which so far does seem to make it show up
on the PDML (unless I hit an Earthlink server that's being blacklisted
by SpamEatingMonkey).

On 5/28/2017 13:49, ann sanfedele wrote:

ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder -
but my reply to list answering Larry did.

I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except
from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think

ann

On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:

On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies
lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
person goes out to the whole list.



That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
whole list is turning in to a private reply.

I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.








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Re: PESO - Click beetle

[Jack Davis]

Like the composition, Jostein!

J

- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:47:03 AM
Subject: PESO - Click beetle

http://www.alunfoto.no/innhold/skjellsmeller/

 From the garden today. When I transfered the files to Lightroom, I 
noticed I haven't done any photography at all since March. Kinda 
explains why it felt good. :-)

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PESO - Click beetle

[Jostein]

http://www.alunfoto.no/innhold/skjellsmeller/

From the garden today. When I transfered the files to Lightroom, I 
noticed I haven't done any photography at all since March. Kinda 
explains why it felt good. :-)


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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[ann sanfedele]

ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder - 
but my reply to list answering Larry did.


I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except 
from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think


ann

On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:

On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies 
lately

that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
person goes out to the whole list.



That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
whole list is turning in to a private reply.

I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.





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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[John]

On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
person goes out to the whole list.



That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
whole list is turning in to a private reply.

I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.


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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[John]

On 5/28/2017 11:49, Henk Terhell wrote:

I would think it is cheaper and safer to buy a new Windows 10 PC than a
linux PC with comparable performance. Then install linux on a partition
if you like and keep your Photoshop on Windows10.


The problem with that is the computer would then be infected with
Windoze 10. My prior Windoze 10 experience pissed me off & I refuse to
have it on my computer.

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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[ann sanfedele]

agreed :-)
but...  can you read me now?  I have yet to see my reply to list of a 
few minutes ago show up - ugh


ann

On 5/28/2017 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one 
person goes out to the whole list.










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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one 
person goes out to the whole list.







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Really annoying new behavior

[P. J. Alling]

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when crap 
like that happens.



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Re: PESO The Mystery Bird

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks, I believe you’re right.


> On May 28, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> 
> I would say female Brown-headed Cowbird.
> 
> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Brown-headed_Cowbird/id
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
> 
>> We all had a go at the a couple of weeks ago. I’ve since photographers a
>> couple of these birds, quite possibly the same one,  but have been unable
>> to identify it. A clue emerged today, when I saw it digging insects or
>> grubs out of the lawn and eating them. Not sure if  it ever eats seeds or
>> just looks for insects below the feeders. He never perches on the feeders.
>> Beak and feet are black. Feathers have a scale-like appearance. About the
>> size of a robin. This is about 10% of frame, but the 150-450 comes through
>> admirable.
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18391954/untitled
>> 
>> 
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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[Henk Terhell]

I would think it is cheaper and safer to buy a new Windows 10 PC than a 
linux PC with comparable performance. Then install linux on a partition 
if you like and keep your Photoshop on Windows10.
I have a couple of older desktops and a laptop which are solely running 
linux distros (Debian, Xubuntu, Lubuntu Mint etc.) for all sorts of 
programs and for backup.

Using linux with its great inventory of free programs can be much fun.
But I still prefer RAW conversion in Lightroom on a decent i7 desktop 
with W10.


Henk

Op 2017-05-27 om 16:09 schreef John:

Haven't needed to use my current laptop since last October. I got it out
to make sure I had all the Windoze 7 security updates installed before I
head off to Grandfather Mountain next weekend.

Things ain't looking so good. I got a BSD 01a the first time I tried to
run the update. Second time ended with an Update Failure w/unidentified
error.

Third time I've got it checking for updates to see if maybe there are
some I need to install first ...

It's been running the "Checking for Updates" for about 2 hours now.

The laptop is about 10 years old IIRC. Toshiba A205. I still like it a
lot, it has 2 Hard-drives - 500GB & 1TB - and a DVDRW Optical drive.
Don't think I'm going to find that in a new laptop. AND because it's a
WINDOZE computer (Win 7 Pro 64bit) it will run PhotoshopCS5 - maybe not
great with just 4GB RAM & only 3.5GB of that usable, but it does run.

Trying to "upgrade" to Windoze 10 was such a disaster I refuse to have
it on any computer I own, and the price for a MacBook Pro is so
outrageously expensive to get the one I'd want is just too much pain.

So I'm thinking about a Linux laptop. Which means either GIMP for image
editing or trying to run PhotoShop on WINE.

I know there are some Linux users here, maybe even a Guru or two.

Anyone using GIMP recently? Or running PhotoShop using WINE?

Or is there another way?

Help!




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Re: PESO The Mystery Bird

[Matthew Hunt]

I would say female Brown-headed Cowbird.

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Brown-headed_Cowbird/id


On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> We all had a go at the a couple of weeks ago. I’ve since photographers a
> couple of these birds, quite possibly the same one,  but have been unable
> to identify it. A clue emerged today, when I saw it digging insects or
> grubs out of the lawn and eating them. Not sure if  it ever eats seeds or
> just looks for insects below the feeders. He never perches on the feeders.
> Beak and feet are black. Feathers have a scale-like appearance. About the
> size of a robin. This is about 10% of frame, but the 150-450 comes through
> admirable.
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18391954/untitled
>
>
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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[Rick Womer]

I bought my current MBP in January 2009. I've replaced the battery 3 times,
switched from a spinny HDD to an SSD, and upgraded the OS a few times.
That's it.

It's my only work computer. It's in my backpack when it's not in its
docking station at work or on my desk at home. Zero failures in 9+ years of
heavy use is pretty good.

I had two "heavy duty" HPs and two Toshibas before it, and none made it to
3 1/2 years before irreparably failing.

Rick

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 03:06 Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> Ah. Roger that.
> Good thing that DVD R/W drives for USB exists...
> Bruce is right about the plethora of options. Most of them will do "the
> job", but I guess price is strongly correlated to lifetime expectancy.
>
> Jostein
>
> Den 27. mai 2017 23.18.06 CEST, skrev John :
> >No. If I have to replace the Toshiba I'm looking for new hardware with
> >Linux already installed.
> >
> >If possible I want to be able to install & run my existing licensed
> >copy
> >of Photoshop CS5 on the new Linux machine.
> >
> >On 5/27/2017 10:26, Jostein wrote:
> >> Hi John,
> >> If I read you right, you exclude Apple on price, and a new Microsoft
> >> machine because of past experience with Win 10.
> >> But this Linux thing... Do you expect to reuse your existing hardware
> >> for that?
> >> Jostein
> >>
> >> Den 27.05.2017 16.09, skrev John:
> >>> Haven't needed to use my current laptop since last October. I got it
> >out
> >>> to make sure I had all the Windoze 7 security updates installed
> >before I
> >>> head off to Grandfather Mountain next weekend.
> >>>
> >>> Things ain't looking so good. I got a BSD 01a the first time I tried
> >to
> >>> run the update. Second time ended with an Update Failure
> >w/unidentified
> >>> error.
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >>> Help!
> >>>
> >>
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Re: Semi-OT: Maybe getting a new laptop?

[Jostein Øksne]

Ah. Roger that. 
Good thing that DVD R/W drives for USB exists... 
Bruce is right about the plethora of options. Most of them will do "the job", 
but I guess price is strongly correlated to lifetime expectancy. 

Jostein 

Den 27. mai 2017 23.18.06 CEST, skrev John :
>No. If I have to replace the Toshiba I'm looking for new hardware with
>Linux already installed.
>
>If possible I want to be able to install & run my existing licensed
>copy
>of Photoshop CS5 on the new Linux machine.
>
>On 5/27/2017 10:26, Jostein wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> If I read you right, you exclude Apple on price, and a new Microsoft
>> machine because of past experience with Win 10.
>> But this Linux thing... Do you expect to reuse your existing hardware
>> for that?
>> Jostein
>>
>> Den 27.05.2017 16.09, skrev John:
>>> Haven't needed to use my current laptop since last October. I got it
>out
>>> to make sure I had all the Windoze 7 security updates installed
>before I
>>> head off to Grandfather Mountain next weekend.
>>>
>>> Things ain't looking so good. I got a BSD 01a the first time I tried
>to
>>> run the update. Second time ended with an Update Failure
>w/unidentified
>>> error.
>>>
>
>>>
>>> Help!
>>>
>>

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