date:20170624


Nice, good tones. But I think the building has a ghost or something.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

On 6/14/2017 12:54 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

On 12 Jun 2017 21:36, "Mark Roberts"  wrote:


From our trip to the UK last month.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7e102010.jpg
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Re: PESO - 'Robin Newbies'


Shhh. Quiet. Looks like you are disturbing them.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  Heh.

On 5/13/2017 12:21 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

On 5/12/2017 3:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Recently hatched American Robins. By my count there are 4 newbies,
although only 2 are shown in this image.

K-3, 300mm f4.5 FA with 1.4 DA convertor - 1/40 @ 6.7 3200 ISO

https://www.photo.net/photo/18385253/robin-newbies

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Re: PESO: Yet Another Mountain

Okay, what what the others said was true. I ended up commenting on a 
thumbnail, but I thought it was ME. That I had done something wrong in 
opening it.


I tend to blame myself first. Heh.

Later, Marnie

On 6/24/2017 6:14 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Very nice shot. And you managed to indicate the size.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/7/2017 8:34 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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the
original image file.  This is from the PPG:

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Re: PESO - Acropolis Amphitheater

2017-06-24 Thread Alan C


Still in remarkably good condition. Presumably it still gets some use?

Alan C

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Still working on Athens pix.

This is dug into the side of the Acropolis. Note the people under the 
arches.


https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/Athens-2017/Athens-417-2/i-wXPVqL6/A

(K-5, DA 10-17 fisheye)

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

I don't think that the comparison works, exactly.  The amount of energy 
required to lift 5lbs 7 inches (about the height of a stair step), is 
pretty simple math but does involve knowing the energy needed to 
overcome the acceleration due to gravity in Newtons per kg,  which, I 
looked up, (you don't think I know this stuff off the top of my head),   
and convert pounds to kilograms and height to meters, but then all the 
terms just drop out and I can look up the values.


E = 2.268 kg x 9.81 N/kg x .1758 m

E = 3.9114 joules or if converted into food calories 9.3482 x 10^-4.  
Which is less than the calories you'd get from eating a stick of 
celery.  Assuming 15 stairs in a flight, about 9 feet between floors, I 
get .014 additional calories to climb a flight of stairs, with the extra 
5 pound burden, assuming I did the math right.


However the actual stress on your body should be the same as just 
holding the extra 5 pounds and walking on the level, unless you've 
managed to somehow achieve multi g accelerations.


If you're having trouble getting enough oxygen it might feel like the 
extra 5 pounds gains weight while you're climbing stairs.



On 6/24/2017 12:33 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) 
being carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person 
carrying

the same pack up a flight of stairs?

I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm 
looking for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.


Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

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Re: PESO - Acropolis Amphitheater


Nice shot. So it's all rebuilt? (Except for crumbling wall.)

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/24/2017 6:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Still working on Athens pix.

This is dug into the side of the Acropolis. Note the people under the arches.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/Athens-2017/Athens-417-2/i-wXPVqL6/A

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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

Thanks, Rick.
I should have responded to your
first email.

J

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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> Jack,
> 
> After 20 years and about 2000 posted pics, I’ve given up on photo.net.
> 
> The rebuilt site is so bad that it would repel a starving dung beetle. The 
> problems aren’t being corrected, and the management isn’t answering messages 
> or emails.
> 
> Launch a complex rebuilt site without beta (or even alpha) testing? Why not? 
> What could go wrong?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> Grimes church located in the Sacramento Valley.
>> 
>> http://www.photo.net/photo/18400520
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question


E = mc^2  probably comes into it somewhere...


Oh geez,  I hope not, or else Ann is atomic powered.


On 6/24/2017 1:31 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

The mass of the pack doesn't change, but as you step up you are having to lift 
with each leg in turn your own mass plus the mass of the pack, which you are 
not having to do, to the same extent, when you walk on level ground, so you are 
using more energy.

To convert it to additional weight I suppose you have to work out how much 
extra weight would require the same energy over the same distance on level 
ground.

E = mc^2 probably comes into it somewhere...

Whether it stresses the body in the same way would be something else though, 
because the biomechanics of carrying it upstairs are different to those of 
carrying it on level ground.

My answer would be to order a Sherpa...


On 24 Jun 2017, at 17:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being carried 
bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
the same pack up a flight of stairs?

I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for 
the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

Jack,

After 20 years and about 2000 posted pics, I’ve given up on photo.net.

The rebuilt site is so bad that it would repel a starving dung beetle. The 
problems aren’t being corrected, and the management isn’t answering messages or 
emails.

Launch a complex rebuilt site without beta (or even alpha) testing? Why not? 
What could go wrong?

Rick

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> http://www.photo.net/photo/18400520
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Re: PESOs (3) - Acropolis

Not as much a shopping opportunity as an eating and drinking one.

The place is worth a trip! I wish I had been able to stay longer—I only had 1 
1/2 days adjacent to a conference.

Rick




> On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> So they make the climb a shopping opportunity? Heh.
> 
> Interesting, thanks.
> 
> Hope I get there some day.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
> 
> On 6/13/2017 5:15 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> A colleague and I took the half-hour uphill walk from the hotel to the top 
>> of the Acropolis. The narrow streets (?) are lined with restaurants and 
>> cafes.
>> 
>> The destination:
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/Acropolis/i-mV94MsD/0/ac4bbe30/O/Athens%204-17%20%23-40.jpg
>> 
>> Part way up:
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/Acropolis/i-RSN9NZ3/0/54229de1/O/Athens%204-17%20%23-33.jpg
>> 
>> More to go:
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/Acropolis/i-WgtXGCT/0/838148f7/O/Athens%204-17%20%23-35.jpg
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
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PESO - Acropolis Amphitheater

Still working on Athens pix.

This is dug into the side of the Acropolis. Note the people under the arches.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/Athens-2017/Athens-417-2/i-wXPVqL6/A

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

Actually, I won't be taking advantage of that caolorie burning potential 
increase very often, because it will wreck my knee joints and spine.

as earlier mentioned, I do have sherpas

ann

On 6/24/2017 8:50 PM, Jostein wrote:
Came to the same result as Bill on the added calories needed to bring 
the pack up one flight of stairs. But that's just the extra energy now 
"stored" in the package as potential energy.


A backwards trace of the energy could look something like this:

To transfer the energy to the package, your muscles has to do work. 
Muscles are machines that convert some of its fuel to work, and some 
to heat. So the energy for both must come from food, which is where we 
usually count calories.


So the number of calories you need to ingest to perform the work is 
far greater than Newtonian physics will have you believe from the 
perspective of the package. :-)


Jostein

Den 24.06.2017 23.50, skrev ann sanfedele:

Thanks all you smart gents

arrrgh - I answered  Bob, and Jack and  you hitting "reply" I just 
noticed


all interesting answers  but yours was the one I like best , if your 
math _is_ right -  it sure FEELS like it...


10 ft celings here - no wonder I'm maintaing my relative svelt 
dimensions :-)


a

On 6/24/2017 4:41 PM, William Robb wrote:
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:34 AM ann sanfedele  
wrote:


What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) 
being
carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person 
carrying

the same pack up a flight of stairs?


It's 42.

Actually, it's about 32.4 calories to carry 10 pounds up a flight of 
stairs

presuming 10' from floor to floor.

Bill



I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm 
looking

for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

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Re: PESO Sharing

2017-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist

Thanks.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
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> What he said.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
> 
>> On 6/17/2017 12:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> That is just darling!  What a catch.
>> 
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Re: PESO: Yet Another Mountain


Very nice shot. And you managed to indicate the size.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/7/2017 8:34 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Here is one I wanted to enter in this month's PUG, but I couldn't find the
original image file.  This is from the PPG:

http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/photos/share/20165671#.WTgRbe7quzw.email

Somewhat annoyingly, the image opens and then it goes to the "info" page,
so you may have to close that page to see the full image.

Pentax SuperProgram, F 28-80 zoom
Comments invited

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Re: PESOs (3) - Acropolis


So they make the climb a shopping opportunity? Heh.

Interesting, thanks.

Hope I get there some day.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/13/2017 5:15 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

A colleague and I took the half-hour uphill walk from the hotel to the top of 
the Acropolis. The narrow streets (?) are lined with restaurants and cafes.

The destination:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Acropolis/i-mV94MsD/0/ac4bbe30/O/Athens%204-17%20%23-40.jpg

Part way up:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Acropolis/i-RSN9NZ3/0/54229de1/O/Athens%204-17%20%23-33.jpg

More to go:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Acropolis/i-WgtXGCT/0/838148f7/O/Athens%204-17%20%23-35.jpg

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO Thirst Young one

2017-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist

Thanks Marnie. Much appreciated.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> Awww. I love squirrels.
> 
> Nice shots, Paul.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
> 
>> On 6/18/2017 11:36 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> A juvenile squirrel stops by my fountain for a drink.
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18399305/thirsty-young-one
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18399306/thirsty-young-one-ii
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Re: PESO: Squirrel!!


What she said. I am glad you got all of the tail.

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/12/2017 2:41 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

ooh so cute! great grab, Bill

ann

On 6/12/2017 3:31 PM, Bill wrote:

Really.
Not a dog in sight.
Unless it's what the squirrel was looking at.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/squirrel1.html

Technical: K1 in Aperture Preferred Auto, A400/5.6, f/11, 1/250 at ISO
3200. Manual SR set to 600mm by accident.

Enjoy

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Re: PESOs (2) - View from the Acropolis


Yes, it does, re views.

Thanks for sharing, Rick.

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/14/2017 6:23 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

One of the interesting things about Athens is that there are no tall buildings. 
 By law, they are at most 5 or 6 stories, which makes the city seems vast and 
preserves wonderful views.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/Athens-2017/View-from-Acropolis/i-TwNK8WG/A

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/Athens-2017/View-from-Acropolis/i-g6mSfGR/A

The peak is the 300-meter Lofos Likavitou, atop which is a chapel, a cafe, and 
a theater. I wanted to climb it but time ran out.

(K-5, DA 16-45 and 50-200)

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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

Yes, I know P.J. I've notified my
Pet geek.

J

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> I'm getting a 404 on that one too.
> 
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>> Grimes church located in the Sacramento Valley.
>> 
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread Jostein

Came to the same result as Bill on the added calories needed to bring 
the pack up one flight of stairs. But that's just the extra energy now 
"stored" in the package as potential energy.


A backwards trace of the energy could look something like this:

To transfer the energy to the package, your muscles has to do work. 
Muscles are machines that convert some of its fuel to work, and some to 
heat. So the energy for both must come from food, which is where we 
usually count calories.


So the number of calories you need to ingest to perform the work is far 
greater than Newtonian physics will have you believe from the 
perspective of the package. :-)


Jostein

Den 24.06.2017 23.50, skrev ann sanfedele:

Thanks all you smart gents

arrrgh - I answered  Bob, and Jack and  you hitting "reply" I just noticed

all interesting answers  but yours was the one I like best , if your 
math _is_ right -  it sure FEELS like it...


10 ft celings here - no wonder I'm maintaing my relative svelt 
dimensions :-)


a

On 6/24/2017 4:41 PM, William Robb wrote:

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:34 AM ann sanfedele  wrote:


What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
the same pack up a flight of stairs?


It's 42.

Actually, it's about 32.4 calories to carry 10 pounds up a flight of 
stairs

presuming 10' from floor to floor.

Bill



I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking
for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

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Re: Peso-Grimes Church


I'm getting a 404 on that one too.



On 6/24/2017 7:51 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Grimes church located in the Sacramento Valley.

http://www.photo.net/photo/18400520


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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

I realize this didn't go. Error 404 is
back. !!
Geek will be back...soon!

J

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Re: More recent PESO - from Lower Manhattan


Interesting. THANKS!

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/24/2017 4:06 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

In this case it is essentially a big shopping mall and transportation
hub.  It is a rather fascinating structure and space near ground zero ...
quoting a wiki page
"An/oculus/is a circular opening in the centre of a dome or in a wall.
Originating in antiquity, it is a feature of Byzantine and Neoclassical
architecture."

The architect is  Santiago Calatrava

I took this  last summer - when it wasn't quite finished - the flag is
hanging from the platform where the tourists are in this year's shot
after I emrged from
the PATH train station...

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-m9WsBPB


I wish they hadn't turned it in to a shopping experience

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Grimes church located in the Sacramento Valley.

http://www.photo.net/photo/18400520


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Re: More recent PESO - from Lower Manhattan

In this case it is essentially a big shopping mall and transportation 
hub.  It is a rather fascinating structure and space near ground zero ...

quoting a wiki page
"An/oculus/is a circular opening in the centre of a dome or in a wall.  
Originating in antiquity, it is a feature of Byzantine and Neoclassical 
architecture."


The architect is  Santiago Calatrava

I took this  last summer - when it wasn't quite finished - the flag is 
hanging from the platform where the tourists are in this year's shot 
after I emrged from

the PATH train station...

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-m9WsBPB

I wish they hadn't turned it in to a shopping experience

ann


On 6/24/2017 6:47 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

What's an Oculus? Interesting shot.

Got a kick out of Madge.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/22/2017 7:06 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Chinatown
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-CLtjgFc/L

Maiden Lane
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-GQ9HZWK/L

From the 103 bus

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-xkCZNqj/L

the Oculus
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-LJF6hqR/L

You guys looking at these first on your phones - you really need a
larger screen for the Maiden Lane one

ann





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Re: PESO Sharing


What he said.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/17/2017 12:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is just darling!  What a catch.

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Re: PESO Thirst Young one


Awww. I love squirrels.

Nice shots, Paul.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/18/2017 11:36 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A juvenile squirrel stops by my fountain for a drink.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18399305/thirsty-young-one
https://www.photo.net/photo/18399306/thirsty-young-one-ii

K-1 with D FA 150-450, handheld


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Re: More recent PESO - from Lower Manhattan


What's an Oculus? Interesting shot.

Got a kick out of Madge.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/22/2017 7:06 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Chinatown
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-CLtjgFc/L

Maiden Lane
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-GQ9HZWK/L

From the 103 bus

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-xkCZNqj/L

the Oculus
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-LJF6hqR/L

You guys looking at these first on your phones - you really need a
larger screen for the Maiden Lane one

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Re: Error 404

Yes, can be. He mumbles a lot and
seems to assume I actually
understand him.
We get along swell and if I hand him
some money, he goes away.

J
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 2:18 PM,yearP. J. Alling  
> wrote:
> 
> It must me nice to have your own pet geek...
> 
> 
>> On 6/24/2017 11:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Have contacted my "Geek" for help.
>> 
>> Later.
>> 
>> J
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Re: PESO - Tree Tops


Thanks, Jack.

Marnie :-)

On 6/24/2017 10:51 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Nice composition and DoF.

J

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Re: PESO - Tree Tops


Thanks, Dan.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/24/2017 11:34 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a great image.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) 
wrote:


I am currently showing photos at my church. This led to me starting to
update my photography web page. Which has not been updated since 2009. I've
shown pictures on PDML since then, just not hooked those pages in.

I've also NOT shown a lot of photos since 2009. Anyway, this is from 2010,
not great or unusual, sort of traditional, but I like it anyway.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/treetops.htm

Comments welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  I am half way through 2011. Boy, this takes time!


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Re: ???

No, they have the 5 I initially loaded
in order to become a premier member. I have only posted the finch
shot at this point.

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> 
> Yes, Jack.  Photo.net says you have only one photo, that magnificent image
> of the goldfinches on the mustard plant.
> 
> 
> either that is the only one you uploaded, or the others are "private."  By
> accident, a lot of my recent images were designated as private, and I had
> to check the box that makes them public., and viewable by others.
> 
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>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>> I actually hoped as much and glad
>> to know.
>> Thanks, Eric!
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Eric Featherstone <
>> eric.featherst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jack,
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that you've only uploaded the one photo to photo.net. You
>>> may think you've uploaded more, but there's only the one you posted
>> earlier
>>> visible in your gallery here.
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/10949212#/
>>> 
>>> Maybe the others are set to private or something? I'm just guessing.
>>> 
>>> Eric.
>>> 
>>> On 24 Jun 2017 2:51 pm, "Jack Davis"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see the mud hole image is assigned to a Tom Hoffman??
>>> What the H... is going on??
>>> Seems a complete mess!
>>> - Forwarded Message -
>>> From: "Jack Davis" 
>>> To: "PDML" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:41:58 AM
>>> Subject: ???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am attempting to check Photo.net connection
>>> Keep getting a weird mud hole scene???
>>> Am carefully copying the URL indicated.
>>> 
>>> Going to give it a rest.
>>> 
>>> J
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question


 So Wheatfield and you disagree on the degree, as it were...

Thanks for chiming in - I see you are still alive :-)
ann

On 6/24/2017 4:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
its as if you added 10 extra pounds, its just more work because its 
uphill

just like walking upstairs is more work for your normal weight.



On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:02:19 -0400, Ken Waller  
wrote:






-Original Message-

From: David J Brooks 
Subject: Re: OT - "as if" physics question

Is it an African package or European package.:-)


And are you migrating



Dave

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, ann sanfedele  
wrote:
What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) 
being
carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person 
carrying

the same pack up a flight of stairs?

I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm 
looking for

the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question


Thanks all you smart gents

arrrgh - I answered  Bob, and Jack and  you hitting "reply" I just noticed

all interesting answers  but yours was the one I like best , if your 
math _is_ right -  it sure FEELS like it...


10 ft celings here - no wonder I'm maintaing my relative svelt 
dimensions :-)


a

On 6/24/2017 4:41 PM, William Robb wrote:

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:34 AM ann sanfedele  wrote:


What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
the same pack up a flight of stairs?


It's 42.

Actually, it's about 32.4 calories to carry 10 pounds up a flight of stairs
presuming 10' from floor to floor.

Bill



I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking
for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

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Re: Error 404

2017-06-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:26:06 -0400, J.C. O'Connell   
wrote:






On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:18:40 -0400, P. J. Alling  
 wrote:



It must me nice to have your own pet geek...


On 6/24/2017 11:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Have contacted my "Geek" for help.

Later.

J





Remember our founding fourfathers said:
"Not all Geeks are created equal"


even forefathers said it
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Re: Error 404

2017-06-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell





On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:18:40 -0400, P. J. Alling  
 wrote:



It must me nice to have your own pet geek...


On 6/24/2017 11:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Have contacted my "Geek" for help.

Later.

J





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Re: Error 404


It must me nice to have your own pet geek...


On 6/24/2017 11:33 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Have contacted my "Geek" for help.

Later.

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread William Robb

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:34 AM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
> the same pack up a flight of stairs?


It's 42.

Actually, it's about 32.4 calories to carry 10 pounds up a flight of stairs
presuming 10' from floor to floor.

Bill

>
>
> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking
> for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
>
> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
>
> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
>
> thanks, guys
>
> ann
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread J.C. O'Connell


its as if you added 10 extra pounds, its just more work because its uphill
just like walking upstairs is more work for your normal weight.



On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:02:19 -0400, Ken Waller   
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-Original Message-

From: David J Brooks 
Subject: Re: OT - "as if" physics question

Is it an African package or European package.:-)


And are you migrating



Dave

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, ann sanfedele   
wrote:

What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
the same pack up a flight of stairs?

I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm  
looking for

the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

ann

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Re: PESO - portrait study

2017-06-24 Thread Ken Waller

Nice subject and pose but I wish the light was coming from her left to 
iliminate her attributes better.


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: Re: PESO - portrait study
>
>Quite pleasing.  I think the black and red carry a warm and exciting
>atmosphere.
>
>
>Dan Matyola
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>
>On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Bruce Walker 
>wrote:
>
>> A sensual low key portrait of Araina. NSFW.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/ILryrLGtq_Y0
>>
>> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, at f/4, 1/125th sec, ISO 100.
>>
>> One big soft light feathered across the subject, and a grid-focussed
>> one on the background.
>>


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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread Ken Waller




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>From: David J Brooks 
>Subject: Re: OT - "as if" physics question
>
>Is it an African package or European package.:-)

And are you migrating 


>Dave
>
>On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
>> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
>> the same pack up a flight of stairs?
>>
>> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for
>> the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
>>
>> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
>>
>> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
>>
>> thanks, guys
>>
>> ann
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Re: Peso-320 eagle

Yes I know, Dan.
I have a single post at this time.

J

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Who is Tom Hoffman?
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>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>> Checking Photo.net connection.
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>> https://www.photo.net/photo/1840457
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Re: Peso-320 eagle

Who is Tom Hoffman?

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> https://www.photo.net/photo/1840457
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Re: PESO - portrait study

Quite pleasing.  I think the black and red carry a warm and exciting
atmosphere.


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On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Bruce Walker 
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> A sensual low key portrait of Araina. NSFW.
>
> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/ILryrLGtq_Y0
>
> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, at f/4, 1/125th sec, ISO 100.
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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

THIS PAGE COULD NOT BE FOUNDERROR 404

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> Just to try the Photo.net connection.
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18400520
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Re: Peso-Grimes church

THIS PAGE COULD NOT BE FOUNDERROR 404

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On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> Still trying to post from Photo.net
>
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18400520/
>
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Re: PESO - Tree Tops

That is a great image.

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> I am currently showing photos at my church. This led to me starting to
> update my photography web page. Which has not been updated since 2009. I've
> shown pictures on PDML since then, just not hooked those pages in.
>
> I've also NOT shown a lot of photos since 2009. Anyway, this is from 2010,
> not great or unusual, sort of traditional, but I like it anyway.
>
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/treetops.htm
>
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>
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Re: ???

Yes, Jack.  Photo.net says you have only one photo, that magnificent image
of the goldfinches on the mustard plant.


either that is the only one you uploaded, or the others are "private."  By
accident, a lot of my recent images were designated as private, and I had
to check the box that makes them public., and viewable by others.


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> I actually hoped as much and glad
> to know.
> Thanks, Eric!
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Eric Featherstone <
> eric.featherst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > It seems to me that you've only uploaded the one photo to photo.net. You
> > may think you've uploaded more, but there's only the one you posted
> earlier
> > visible in your gallery here.
> >
> > https://www.photo.net/10949212#/
> >
> > Maybe the others are set to private or something? I'm just guessing.
> >
> > Eric.
> >
> > On 24 Jun 2017 2:51 pm, "Jack Davis"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I see the mud hole image is assigned to a Tom Hoffman??
> > What the H... is going on??
> > Seems a complete mess!
> > - Forwarded Message -
> > From: "Jack Davis" 
> > To: "PDML" 
> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:41:58 AM
> > Subject: ???
> >
> >
> >
> > Am attempting to check Photo.net connection
> > Keep getting a weird mud hole scene???
> > Am carefully copying the URL indicated.
> >
> > Going to give it a rest.
> >
> > J
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread David J Brooks

Is it an African package or European package.:-)

Dave

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
> the same pack up a flight of stairs?
>
> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for
> the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
>
> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
>
> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
>
> thanks, guys
>
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Re: PESO - Tree Tops

Nice composition and DoF.

J

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> I am currently showing photos at my church. This led to me starting to update 
> my photography web page. Which has not been updated since 2009. I've shown 
> pictures on PDML since then, just not hooked those pages in.
> 
> I've also NOT shown a lot of photos since 2009. Anyway, this is from 2010, 
> not great or unusual, sort of traditional, but I like it anyway.
> 
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/treetops.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

You have defined why one would tire
when walking if each step represented a lift rather than that
required on a level surface.

J

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> The mass of the pack doesn't change, but as you step up you are having to 
> lift with each leg in turn your own mass plus the mass of the pack, which you 
> are not having to do, to the same extent, when you walk on level ground, so 
> you are using more energy.
> 
> To convert it to additional weight I suppose you have to work out how much 
> extra weight would require the same energy over the same distance on level 
> ground.
> 
> E = mc^2 probably comes into it somewhere...
> 
> Whether it stresses the body in the same way would be something else though, 
> because the biomechanics of carrying it upstairs are different to those of 
> carrying it on level ground.
> 
> My answer would be to order a Sherpa...
> 
>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 17:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being 
>> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
>> the same pack up a flight of stairs?
>> 
>> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for 
>> the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
>> 
>> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
>> 
>> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
>> 
>> thanks, guys
>> 
>> ann
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PESO - Tree Tops

I am currently showing photos at my church. This led to me starting to 
update my photography web page. Which has not been updated since 2009. 
I've shown pictures on PDML since then, just not hooked those pages in.


I've also NOT shown a lot of photos since 2009. Anyway, this is from 
2010, not great or unusual, sort of traditional, but I like it anyway.


http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/treetops.htm

Comments welcome.

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread Bob W-PDML

There are some equations on this site, related to bicycles, but similar
question. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to rearrange the terms
appropriately, since I've never studied physics.

https://bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/13090/extra-power-needed-uphill-for-weight-increase

On 24 Jun 2017, at 18:32, Bob W-PDML
> wrote:

The mass of the pack doesn't change, but as you step up you are having to lift
with each leg in turn your own mass plus the mass of the pack, which you are
not having to do, to the same extent, when you walk on level ground, so you are
using more energy.

To convert it to additional weight I suppose you have to work out how much
extra weight would require the same energy over the same distance on level
ground.

E = mc^2 probably comes into it somewhere...

Whether it stresses the body in the same way would be something else though,
because the biomechanics of carrying it upstairs are different to those of
carrying it on level ground.

My answer would be to order a Sherpa...

On 24 Jun 2017, at 17:34, ann sanfedele
> wrote:

What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being carried
bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
the same pack up a flight of stairs?

I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for
the as if related to the stress it puts on my body.

Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs? 20 more lbs? etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

ann

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-24 Thread Bob W-PDML

The mass of the pack doesn't change, but as you step up you are having to lift 
with each leg in turn your own mass plus the mass of the pack, which you are 
not having to do, to the same extent, when you walk on level ground, so you are 
using more energy.

To convert it to additional weight I suppose you have to work out how much 
extra weight would require the same energy over the same distance on level 
ground.

E = mc^2 probably comes into it somewhere...

Whether it stresses the body in the same way would be something else though, 
because the biomechanics of carrying it upstairs are different to those of 
carrying it on level ground.

My answer would be to order a Sherpa...

> On 24 Jun 2017, at 17:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being 
> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
> the same pack up a flight of stairs?
> 
> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for 
> the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
> 
> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
> 
> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
> 
> thanks, guys
> 
> ann
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Re: ???

I actually hoped as much and glad
to know.
Thanks, Eric!
J

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Eric Featherstone  
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> 
> Jack,
> 
> It seems to me that you've only uploaded the one photo to photo.net. You
> may think you've uploaded more, but there's only the one you posted earlier
> visible in your gallery here.
> 
> https://www.photo.net/10949212#/
> 
> Maybe the others are set to private or something? I'm just guessing.
> 
> Eric.
> 
> On 24 Jun 2017 2:51 pm, "Jack Davis"  wrote:
> 
> 
> I see the mud hole image is assigned to a Tom Hoffman??
> What the H... is going on??
> Seems a complete mess!
> - Forwarded Message -
> From: "Jack Davis" 
> To: "PDML" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:41:58 AM
> Subject: ???
> 
> 
> 
> Am attempting to check Photo.net connection
> Keep getting a weird mud hole scene???
> Am carefully copying the URL indicated.
> 
> Going to give it a rest.
> 
> J
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

Same gravity, each step up
represents a sense of it's
pull.

J

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:33 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being 
> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
> the same pack up a flight of stairs?
> 
> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for 
> the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
> 
> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
> 
> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
> 
> thanks, guys
> 
> ann
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Re: Peso-Grimes church

404.

I've given up on photo.net, after posting about 1800 images there over 20
years. The rebuild is so bad that a starving dung beetle would maintain a
safe distance. Nothing is being fixed, and the admins have stopped
answering messages and emails.

A complete rebuilding of a complex site with no beta (or even alpha)
testing. What could go wrong?

Rick

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:05 Jack Davis  wrote:

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>
> Still trying to post from Photo.net
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18400520/
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Re: Fwd: ???

2017-06-24 Thread Eric Featherstone

Jack,

It seems to me that you've only uploaded the one photo to photo.net. You
may think you've uploaded more, but there's only the one you posted earlier
visible in your gallery here.

https://www.photo.net/10949212#/

Maybe the others are set to private or something? I'm just guessing.

Eric.

On 24 Jun 2017 2:51 pm, "Jack Davis"  wrote:


I see the mud hole image is assigned to a Tom Hoffman??
What the H... is going on??
Seems a complete mess!
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To: "PDML" 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:41:58 AM
Subject: ???



Am attempting to check Photo.net connection
Keep getting a weird mud hole scene???
Am carefully copying the URL indicated.

Going to give it a rest.

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Re: Peso-Finches and Mustard

2017-06-24 Thread Mark C

Beautiful photo - excellent light (fill flash?) and great to see the 
male and female. The link from Eric Featherstone took me there, as would 
clicking on the Photos link on the home page.


Mark

On 6/23/2017 7:55 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Shot several years ago and is not being used to test Photo.net post.

nttps://www.photo.net/10949212




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OT - "as if" physics question

What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being 
carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying

the same pack up a flight of stairs?

I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking 
for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.


Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc

answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)

thanks, guys

ann

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Error 404


Have contacted my "Geek" for help.

Later.

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Peso-Grimes church



Still trying to post from Photo.net

https://www.photo.net/photo/18400520/

J


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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

2017-06-24 Thread Bob W-PDML

HTTP404 on that one. The others are just a big ball of mud, perhaps a sardonic 
comment from photo.net itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_ball_of_mud

B

On 24 Jun 2017, at 15:37, Jack Davis 
> wrote:


Another check of the Photo.net connection.

http://www.photo.net/18400520

J

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Peso-Grimes Church


Another check of the Photo.net connection.

http://www.photo.net/18400520

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Fwd: ???


I see the mud hole image is assigned to a Tom Hoffman??
What the H... is going on??
Seems a complete mess!
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Am attempting to check Photo.net connection
Keep getting a weird mud hole scene???
Am carefully copying the URL indicated.

Going to give it a rest.

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PESO - portrait study

2017-06-24 Thread Bruce Walker

A sensual low key portrait of Araina. NSFW.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/ILryrLGtq_Y0

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, at f/4, 1/125th sec, ISO 100.

One big soft light feathered across the subject, and a grid-focussed
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Peso-320eagle



Photo.net connection check

https://www.photo.net/photo/1840457/320eagle

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Checking Photo.net connection.

https://www.photo.net/photo/1840457

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