Re: Panic

[John Francis]

Especially since it's close to being appropriate for a photography group.
(27 8x10 color photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
of each one explaining what each one was to be used as in evidencegainst us.)

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 05:30:56PM -0500, ann sanfedele wrote:
> OMG!? Now that's one I should not have missed!? sigh? serious senion moment
> time
> ann embarrassed
> 
> On 1/12/2018 4:44 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:17:01 +, you wrote:
> > 
> > > On 12/1/18, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > > 
> > > > I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that
> > > > envelope under that garbage."
> > > Straight over my head bro. Gimme a clue here
> > Arlo Guthrie. Alice's Restaurant.
> > 
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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[John Francis]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 09:19:20PM +, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> So your bucket list is: live forever. That never ended well for the ancient 
> Greeks.


Well, that's pretty much the point, isn't it?

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PESO 2018 - 001 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Bus going by at night on the street in Cork: 

  https://flic.kr/p/23qZES3

enjoy,
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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[P. J. Alling]

WCBS just reported that sending the message required a mouse click to 
invoke the procedure and a second confirmation mouse click.  So the the 
employee did get the "are you sure you want to this" and said, of course 
I do, and the rest is history.


I wasn't implying the US military was involved in any way, just State of 
Hawaii functionaries who made this error.  At a time when a great many 
people are on edge about some sort of missile attack, possibly for good 
reason, it's easy to create a panic, looks like at least a minor one was 
created.


Also just having a simple confirmation click, to send an alert message, 
seems like to little.  If I were specifying the software, there'd be a 
requirement to enter your system user name and password, partly to 
insure that the person had authorization to be sending the message and 
partly to trace who sent a bogus message in that event.  People think 
more clearly when they're required to identify themselves on the record 
before making a stupid mistake.


On 1/14/2018 4:47 PM, John wrote:
I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at 
every shift change to verify the system is functioning properly. 
Someone got a switch in the wrong position or followed the wrong 
branch on a checklist and the warning message was sent out live.


On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a
federal or military emergency response department.

Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the
software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of
shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing 
against a

button or a key on the keyboard.


Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling 


wrote:

I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the 
right
questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be 
about is,


1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual
responsible official that duty should be removed from them 
immediately, if

not.

2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this
message?

3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must
likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm 
being sent.


This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a 
simple

software option from a menu.  There should be either actual interlocks,
(can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person 
with the
key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are 
you sure

you want to do this" after the option is chosen.

It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this
happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired 
because they

ignored all of that.



On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a 
lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, 
as did

those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE
THREAT
INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other 
patrons,

shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what
could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  
Head

up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation 
from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one 
is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice 
and Eggs

Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly 
Canadians --

also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction 
through the

emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, 
the delay

was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital 
patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on 
Waikiki.
Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever 
is a

real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were 
caught by

surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.

Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Subash Jeyan]

thank you Ann, appreciate it...

~subash

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:35:26 -0500
ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely
> 
> ann
> 
> On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> > Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan 
> > wrote: 
> >> so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been
> >> riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long
> >> ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and,
> >> unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long
> >> rides 4.30-ish :))
> >>
> >> https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides
> >>
> >> thanks for looking,
> >>
> >> ~subash
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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Subash Jeyan]

thanks Bob, i particularly like the bike. :)

~subash

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:10:34 +
Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> Beautiful shots, very atmospheric. I particularly like the first,
> showing off the new bike.
> 
> > On 14 Jan 2018, at 07:51, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> > 
> > so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been
> > riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long
> > ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and,
> > unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long
> > rides 4.30-ish :))
> > 
> > https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides
> >   
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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Subash Jeyan]

thank you Chris...

~subash

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:29:14 +
Chris Mitchell  wrote:

> Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> > so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been
> > riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long
> > ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and,
> > unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long
> > rides 4.30-ish :))
> >
> > https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides
> >
> > thanks for looking,
> >
> > ~subash
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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Subash Jeyan]

thank you Larry. whether it is a valid genre or not, i have done plenty
of that, especially on my long motorcycle rides :)

~subash 


On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:47:17 -0800
Larry Colen  wrote:

> Yes, nice looking bike, and photos as well. I have often taken quite
> a few portraits of my bikes and other vehicles when I've been on
> trips and consider "my vehicle on a road trip" as a very valid genre
> of photo.
> 
> 
> ann sanfedele wrote:
> > I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely
> >
> > ann
> >
> > On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:  
> >> Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan 
> >> wrote: 
> >>> so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been
> >>> riding it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long
> >>> ride, taken with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and,
> >>> unusually, it remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long
> >>> rides 4.30-ish :))
> >>>
> >>> https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides
> >>>
> >>> thanks for looking,
> >>>
> >>> ~subash
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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[Larry Colen]

With one group, I started doing a "zombie photo" of the group as an 
inside joke. I eventually noticed that after doing something silly, 
people would always look more relaxed and happy in regular group photos 
after doing something silly or cheering to get the group energy up. The 
important thing is to make sure that everybody understands that it is 
time to stop doing the silly things for the "serious" photo.


Similarly, when doing portraits of a couple, I noticed that they just 
wouldn't/couldn't relax, so I had them make out for a bit, and that was 
great for getting them in a happier more relaxed mood.




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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[ann sanfedele]

I was waiting for your report on this!
Also, I have a friend in Honolulu who is due here for a visit this 
coming week -I'm sure he and his wife will

have a couple of stories.

It is pretty shocking.

ann


On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT
INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.


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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[ann sanfedele]

Well I have a huge problem with glare, personally...so I'm extra 
sensitive to any bright light  especially if it flashes for only a 
second... But I'm not the only one with the problem.


i'm pretty much anti flash from an aesthetic standpoint too , I confess.

I would still suggest that anyone taking a group shot of the elderly 
refrain from using direct flash.. even if

it would cause not long lasting effects, it is painful in the moment.

to give you an idea of what I suffer from, I blow out candles in 
restaurants or move them to another table because of the glare... it is 
the contrast between light and dark.


ann

On 1/14/2018 12:28 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:
Ann, Large groups, flash will be at distance, out doors  it is just to 
get the twinkle in the eye, indoors the flash is not very strong or 
with large diffuser like umbrella, modern sensors see much more light 
than the human eye! No worries about poor eyes! Greetz, Jos


On 14-Jan-18 01:04, ann sanfedele wrote:

Jos,

I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this 
is NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones!

If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please...

Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better 
to up your ISO


ann

On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises:

 * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER!
 * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered 
partly

 * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes
   otherwise there will be a shadow on your face
 * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or
   compliments)

Greetz, Jos


On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo.
Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set,
I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given 
moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ...
So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and 
another one for another person...



So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number 
of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where 
everybody is OK.
When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to 
take an extra (or two). So,

for 1 person:  1+1 (or 1+2) photos.
For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 
(or 2+2).

...

One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)...
But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having 
individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in 
more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the 
crowd grows close to 10 and above.
The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, 
but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 
(where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one 
photo where everybody looks fine.


Ghm...

Igor
















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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Larry Colen]

Yes, nice looking bike, and photos as well. I have often taken quite a 
few portraits of my bikes and other vehicles when I've been on trips and 
consider "my vehicle on a road trip" as a very valid genre of photo.



ann sanfedele wrote:

I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely

ann

On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots.

Chris

On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan  wrote:


so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding
it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken
with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it
remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :))

https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides

thanks for looking,

~subash

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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[ann sanfedele]

I can't rate the bike but the photos are lovely

ann

On 1/14/2018 11:29 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots.

Chris

On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan  wrote:


so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding
it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken
with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it
remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :))

https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides

thanks for looking,

~subash

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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not planning to live forever, I just don't want to have an 
identifiable end date...



On 1/14/2018 4:19 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

So your bucket list is: live forever. That never ended well for the ancient 
Greeks.


On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:40, P. J. Alling  wrote:

In that case, having a cannot be fulfilled by any means, item on the list would 
serve the same purpose...



On 1/14/2018 3:31 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:
Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. It's 
supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which means 
carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as long as before.


On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to move 
it to the top, before they're even more of a threat?  Personally I'm proud to 
not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, plus everyone 
I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very soon after it was 
completed.




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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[Bob W-PDML]

Probably best to just ignore these things and make a nice cup of tea, unless at 
least one of the following is true

1) the person who pressed the button is obsessed with preserving the purity of 
the nation's precious bodily fluids

2) you can hear someone screaming "Tora! Tora! Tora!"

B

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 21:48, John  wrote:
> 
> I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift 
> change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in 
> the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the 
> warning message was sent out live.
> 
>> On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a
>> federal or military emergency response department.
>> Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the
>> software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of
>> shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a
>> button or a key on the keyboard.
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>> I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right
>>> questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be about is,
>>> 
>>> 1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual
>>> responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this
>>> message?
>>> 
>>> 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must
>>> likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent.
>>> 
>>> This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple
>>> software option from a menu.  There should be either actual interlocks,
>>> (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the
>>> key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure
>>> you want to do this" after the option is chosen.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this
>>> happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired because they
>>> ignored all of that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.
 
 Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
 beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
 those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
 Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE
 THREAT
 INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."
 
 I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
 shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what
 could
 one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head
 up
 the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
 explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
 die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
 Benedict?
 
 All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
 also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.
 
 It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
 emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
 stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
 was inexcusable.
 
 Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
 were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
 Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
 real alert, who would believe it.
 
 An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
 appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
 center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
 Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
 surprise and confused.
 
 On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
 ballistic missile warning.
 
 A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.
 
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[John]

I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every 
shift change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a 
switch in the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist 
and the warning message was sent out live.


On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a
federal or military emergency response department.

Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the
software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of
shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a
button or a key on the keyboard.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:


I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right
questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be about is,

1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual
responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if
not.

2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this
message?

3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must
likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent.

This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple
software option from a menu.  There should be either actual interlocks,
(can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the
key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure
you want to do this" after the option is chosen.

It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this
happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired because they
ignored all of that.



On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE
THREAT
INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what
could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head
up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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Re: NOT HAPPY!

[John]

I've already looked on-line and found a site that refurbishes them. They 
have a detailed photo-guide showing just how they go about it. It shows 
a complete disassembly & cleaning. It's detailed enough I will probably 
have a go at cleaning it myself.


A good refurbished IBM Type M looks to be going for around $120 on the 
inter-webs and NOS "still in the box" can range as high as $250.


I bought a dozen of them back in 2000 for $2 apiece. Now I wish I'd 
bought two dozen.


On 1/14/2018 13:21, P. J. Alling wrote:

I was going to suggest that you hang the keyboard under a shower head
for several minutes to rinse out all the coffee, then rinse it in
distilled water, shake as much water out as possible, and let it air dry
for several days before trying it.  That might work.


On 1/14/2018 11:24 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:02 AM, John  wrote:


I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM  Model M
keyboard to replace it.


You can wash a genuine IBM Type M in a dishwasher. Just make sure you don't
use a heated drying cycle.

Let it air-dry for several days before trying to use it again.

-Mat





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Re: NOT HAPPY!

[John]

On 1/14/2018 14:13, Bruce Nagel wrote:

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 02:51:10AM -0500, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:02:55 -0500
From: John 
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If you've managed to kill that many Model M's there must be some sort
of dubious prize out there somewhere waiting for you.

Those things are built like frakking *tanks*!

Bruce N.



I'm pretty sure this is only the second one I spilled coffee in. Third 
one at most.


I didn't know back then about being able to clean it & dry it out so it 
could be made workable again. Hell, I didn't even know that last night 
until I started looking for replacements.


It may not be beyond resurrection.

Most of them I used to build computers for my mom and other family 
members and/or as replacements for family & friends when one of them 
trashed a keyboard.


If I'd known, I'd have recovered the keyboards when those computers got 
replaced.



Baxter the cat jumped off my shoulder onto my desk and knocked a full
cup of coffee over into my keyboard. She's gone off to sulk because she
didn't like being scooped up and moved out of the way so I could try to
dry the keyboard with towels.



Cat's alright (other than some hurt feelings) but the keyboard is DEAD!



I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM  Model
M keyboard to replace it.



I should have bought more than a dozen way back when.






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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[P. J. Alling]

Then the software is seriously flawed.  It's more difficult to delete a 
file on a MS Windows or for that matter an Android OS device than 
sending out a message that could cause wide spread panic in Hawaii's 
system, with possible deaths involved.


Hell to simply get a cash disbursement from almost any financial 
software requires multiple authorizations which need to be verified by 
the user.


So the employee shouldn't be fired, the person who authorized the 
software interface should be fired, but unfortunately incompetence at 
that level seems to be well protected.



On 1/14/2018 4:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a
federal or military emergency response department.

Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the
software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of
shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a
button or a key on the keyboard.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:


I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right
questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be about is,

1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual
responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if
not.

2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this
message?

3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must
likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent.

This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple
software option from a menu.  There should be either actual interlocks,
(can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the
key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure
you want to do this" after the option is chosen.

It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this
happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired because they
ignored all of that.



On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE
THREAT
INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what
could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head
up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[P. J. Alling]

That should be *not* asked the right questions...

Just in case anyone wonders, I think they're a terrible news 
organization, but then again every news organization is a terrible 
today.  All any of these people seem to do is regurgitate the official 
release, sometimes questioning but seldom asking a followup question of 
any relevance.



On 1/14/2018 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the 
right questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be 
about is,


1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual 
responsible official that duty should be removed from them 
immediately, if not.


2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this 
message?


3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must 
likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being 
sent.


This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a 
simple software option from a menu.  There should be either actual 
interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the 
person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable 
level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen.


It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this 
happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired because 
they ignored all of that.



On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a 
lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, 
as did

those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE 
THREAT

INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what 
could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  
Head up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation 
from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one 
is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and 
Eggs

Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly 
Canadians --

also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction 
through the

emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the 
delay

was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital 
patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on 
Waikiki.

Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.


Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[Bob W-PDML]

So your bucket list is: live forever. That never ended well for the ancient 
Greeks.

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:40, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> In that case, having a cannot be fulfilled by any means, item on the list 
> would serve the same purpose...
> 
> 
>> On 1/14/2018 3:31 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:
>> Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. It's 
>> supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which means 
>> carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as long as 
>> before.
>> 
>>> On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you to 
>>> move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat?  Personally I'm 
>>> proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of guy, 
>>> plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did so, very 
>>> soon after it was completed.
>> 
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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[Daniel J. Matyola]

this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a
federal or military emergency response department.

Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the
software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of
shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a
button or a key on the keyboard.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right
> questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be about is,
>
> 1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual
> responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if
> not.
>
> 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this
> message?
>
> 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must
> likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent.
>
> This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple
> software option from a menu.  There should be either actual interlocks,
> (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the
> key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure
> you want to do this" after the option is chosen.
>
> It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this
> happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired because they
> ignored all of that.
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.
>>
>> Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
>> beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
>> those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
>> Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE
>> THREAT
>> INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."
>>
>> I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
>> shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what
>> could
>> one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head
>> up
>> the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
>> explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
>> die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
>> Benedict?
>>
>> All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
>> also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.
>>
>> It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
>> emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
>> stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
>> was inexcusable.
>>
>> Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
>> were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
>> Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
>> real alert, who would believe it.
>>
>> An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
>> appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
>> center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
>> Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
>> surprise and confused.
>>
>> On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
>> ballistic missile warning.
>>
>> A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.
>>
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[P. J. Alling]

I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the 
right questions.  It's all about peoples reactions.  what it should be 
about is,


1 Where did the false report originate.  If it was with an actual 
responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, 
if not.


2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message?

3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must 
likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent.


This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a 
simple software option from a menu.  There should be either actual 
interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the 
person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable 
level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen.


It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this 
happen, given reasonable safeguards.  Someone should be fired because 
they ignored all of that.



On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT
INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.


Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[P. J. Alling]

In that case, having a cannot be fulfilled by any means, item on the 
list would serve the same purpose...



On 1/14/2018 3:31 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:
Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. 
It's supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which 
means carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as 
long as before.


On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove 
you to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat?  
Personally I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it 
comes kind of guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I 
die project, did so, very soon after it was completed.




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Re: PESO - Cactus Glow

[P. J. Alling]

That's almost other worldly, or someone just shot them with a phaser and 
they're about to evaporate...



On 1/9/2018 4:11 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:
I returned with a friend to Ruth Bancroft Garden, cacti and 
succulents, Dec. 2017. Last time we had been was in 2012. First time 
is was mid-day, this time it was late afternoon. Which turned out to 
beneficial.


I never feel I take as good shots when I am with someone. In addition 
to  the distraction, there is a feeling of being pressed for time. 
But, on the other hand, with someone I go places I don't normally go.


Probably show a few more then do a GESO.

http://mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/cactusglow.htm

Comments welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)



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Re: A bit of excitement yesterday

[mike wilson]

> On 14 January 2018 at 19:09 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
>  After all, if one is to
> die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
> Benedict?

I suppose, if there are no Maquacs around

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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Those people obviously didn't understand the concept of a bucket list. 
It's supposed to be, I really can't die before I finish my list, which 
means carefully adding to the list as needed to keep it just about as 
long as before.


On 1/14/2018 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you 
to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat?  Personally 
I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of 
guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did 
so, very soon after it was completed.


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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[P. J. Alling]

With dogs I think you have to go with a factorial...


On 1/13/2018 8:13 PM, John Coyle wrote:

Others will be better mathematicians than I am, but I might suggest N^N-1, 
based on my own
experience, especially when dogs are included!


John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor PDML-StR
Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 7:48 AM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)



Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo.
Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am 
struggling with finding
one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best 
pose, facial
expression, ...
So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one 
for another
person...


So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I 
need to take to
ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK.
When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra 
(or two). So, for 1
person:  1+1 (or 1+2) photos.
For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or
2+2).
...

One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)...
But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad 
moments, I will have a
combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting 
distracted when the crowd
grows close to 10 and above.
The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect 
that statistically,
I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1  (where
N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where 
everybody looks fine.

Ghm...

Igor





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Re: PESO - After the Ice Storm

[P. J. Alling]

You got Ice? We only got rain, you're so "lucky".


On 1/12/2018 10:19 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

In Connecticut, two days before Christmas. Fun driving…

https://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18450609-orig.jpg

(K-5, DA 17-70)

Comments appreciated!

Rick


P.S. There were some lovely scenes in the recent near 0F/-18C weather here; but 
I wasn’t in the mood to stop and fumble with my camera as I walked to and from 
work. Call me a wimp.


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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[mike wilson]

> On 14 January 2018 at 20:21 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think that the PDML damages the human brain, does that mean that he 
> follows this list too?  (and if he did, what would his posts be like)?

Sad!

> 
> 
> On 1/13/2018 5:07 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> > Am 12.01.18 um 18:46 schrieb John:
> >
> >> Add to the list the wild monkeys at Silver Springs State Park in 
> >> Florida.
> >>
> >> https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/2/17-1439_article
> >
> > Press reports over here suggest that this virus damages the human 
> > brain. Isn't Trump's golf resort also in Florida? That might explain a 
> > lot...
> >
> > Ralf
> >
> 
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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[P. J. Alling]

I think that the PDML damages the human brain, does that mean that he 
follows this list too?  (and if he did, what would his posts be like)?



On 1/13/2018 5:07 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 12.01.18 um 18:46 schrieb John:

Add to the list the wild monkeys at Silver Springs State Park in 
Florida.


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/2/17-1439_article


Press reports over here suggest that this virus damages the human 
brain. Isn't Trump's golf resort also in Florida? That might explain a 
lot...


Ralf



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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[P. J. Alling]

Kiss a macaque, I'd imagine...


On 1/12/2018 6:18 PM, Bill wrote:

On 1/12/2018 3:29 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:16:19 +, you wrote:

Just checked my bucket list and 'fuck a macaque' is already quite 
close to the bottom.


Well, the 2018 quotations list is already off to a flying start.



I'd be interested to know what is below fucking a macaque.



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Re: PESO - After the Ice Storm

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I like it!


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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

> In Connecticut, two days before Christmas. Fun driving…
>
> https://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18450609-orig.jpg
>
> (K-5, DA 17-70)
>
> Comments appreciated!
>
> Rick
>
>
> P.S. There were some lovely scenes in the recent near 0F/-18C weather
> here; but I wasn’t in the mood to stop and fumble with my camera as I
> walked to and from work. Call me a wimp.
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Re: OT: Everything that's trying to kill you

[P. J. Alling]

Considering that the monkeys are proliferating, wouldn't it behoove you 
to move it to the top, before they're even more of a threat?  Personally 
I'm proud to not have a bucket list, I'm a take life as it comes kind of 
guy, plus everyone I know who's had a must do before I die project, did 
so, very soon after it was completed.



On 1/12/2018 12:46 PM, John wrote:

On 11/29/2017 15:11, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Just in case you need a sick note for work:
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/XX




Cleaning out the inbox and ran across this ...

Add to the list the wild monkeys at Silver Springs State Park in Florida.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/2/17-1439_article

If Silver Springs is on your "bucket list", might want to move it down 
to the bottom.




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Re: Panic

[Daniel J. Matyola]

He did sing it in the live performance we saw, several years back.  He must
be tired of it by now.  :(

We also saw I live concert by the Oak Ridge Buys a few years ago.  They had
gone back to their Gospel roots, and the entire first act was gospel,
mostly new compositions.  After intermission, they came out, thanked the
audience for its patience in letting them do their new material, and
reluctantly admitted, "we know what you came here for," before launching
into "Elvira"  and "Bobbie Sue".

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On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

>
> For some time he refused to sing 'Alice's Restaurant' in his live
> performances.
>
> -Original Message-
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> >Subject: Re: Panic
> >
> >Arlo recently did a PBS special celebrating the anniversary of Alice's
> >Restaurant.
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Re: Panic

[Ken Waller]

For some time he refused to sing 'Alice's Restaurant' in his live performances.

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>Subject: Re: Panic
>
>Arlo recently did a PBS special celebrating the anniversary of Alice's
>Restaurant.
>
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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You can't evade Murphy's Law.


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On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
>
> Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo.
> Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set,
> I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment
> someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ...
> So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and
> another one for another person...
>
>
> So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of
> photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK.
> When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an
> extra (or two). So,
> for 1 person:  1+1 (or 1+2) photos.
> For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or
> 2+2).
> ...
>
> One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)...
> But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad
> moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person,
> plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above.
> The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I
> suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1  (where
> N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where
> everybody looks fine.
>
> Ghm...
>
> Igor
>
>
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Re: NOT HAPPY!

[Bruce Nagel]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 02:51:10AM -0500, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:02:55 -0500
From: John 
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If you've managed to kill that many Model M's there must be some sort
of dubious prize out there somewhere waiting for you.

Those things are built like frakking *tanks*!

Bruce N.




Baxter the cat jumped off my shoulder onto my desk and knocked a full
cup of coffee over into my keyboard. She's gone off to sulk because she
didn't like being scooped up and moved out of the way so I could try to
dry the keyboard with towels.



Cat's alright (other than some hurt feelings) but the keyboard is DEAD!



I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM  Model
M keyboard to replace it.



I should have bought more than a dozen way back when.



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A bit of excitement yesterday

[Daniel J. Matyola]

We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui.

Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely
beachfront restaurant   All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did
those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant.
Picking up my phone,  I read:  "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT
INBOUND TO HAWAII.  SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER.  THIS IS NOT A DRILL."

I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons,
shrugged and went back to my breakfast.  I mean, if it was real, what could
one do?  go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me?  Head up
the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an
explosion at Pearl Harbor?  Not much would help.  After all, if one is to
die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs
Benedict?

All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians --
also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast.

It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the
emergency system.  My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets
stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay
was inexcusable.

Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic.  In Honolulu, hospital patients
were moved from their beds to the basement.  tourists panicked on Waikiki.
Children were in tears.  The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a
real alert, who would believe it.

An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else.  The mistake
appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency
center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on
Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by
surprise and confused.

On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the
ballistic missile warning.

A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise.


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Re: PESO: Parkway movie theater

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice image, but an odd name for a theater in the middle of town.

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On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> A photo from last summer. It's the movie theater in the town near
> where we're hanging out in North Carolina this weekend.
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
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Re: Panic

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Arlo recently did a PBS special celebrating the anniversary of Alice's
Restaurant.

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OT: National Geographic 130th Anniversary

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Yesterday was the 130th anniversary of the founding of The National
Geographic Society.  Last night, we attended a reception they held at their
Fine Art Gallery in the Shops at Wailea, here in Maui.  Most of the images
were printed at a size of one meter or larger.  The selection and quality
of the images is unsurpassed.

http://natgeofineart.com/

Most of the images, even quite recent ones, were taken on film.

Nat Geo is establishing these galleries at various locations to raise funds
for the organization.  I certainly wish them all the best.  The images they
disply are to my taste suerior to almost everything in the many art
galleries located in Wailea, Lahina and Makawao here in maui, or, for that
matter, in most modern art museums.

Check to see if ther is a gallery near you.  You will enjoy the experience.

Last fall, I attended a Dartmouth program about China held in the Franklin
Institute in Philadelphia.  The had a nice selection there of moderately
sized prints of Nat Geo images, but nothing to compare to the Fine Art
Gallery.

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Re: PESO: Parkway movie theater

[P. J. Alling]

I like the photo.  I'd also like to point out. as someone has to me in 
the past that using Copyright and © together is redundant.



On 1/13/2018 9:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

A photo from last summer. It's the movie theater in the town near
where we're hanging out in North Carolina this weekend.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/



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Re: NOT HAPPY!

[P. J. Alling]

I was going to suggest that you hang the keyboard under a shower head 
for several minutes to rinse out all the coffee, then rinse it in 
distilled water, shake as much water out as possible, and let it air dry 
for several days before trying it.  That might work.



On 1/14/2018 11:24 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:02 AM, John  wrote:


I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM  Model M
keyboard to replace it.


You can wash a genuine IBM Type M in a dishwasher. Just make sure you don't
use a heated drying cycle.

Let it air-dry for several days before trying to use it again.

-Mat


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Pentax at CES

[P. J. Alling]

Only really interested because I care about the health of the brand of 
equipment I use.


No one seems to be reporting anything from Ricoh/Pentax at CES this year.

I mean except for the Panasonic GH5s none of the other major camera 
manufactures seem to have announced anything of note, but at least it's 
reported that Nikon, Canon, Et. Al., haven't announced anything earth 
shaking, but nothing about Pentax.


I feel left out that Ricoh/Pentax isn't noted as not having anything new 
and earth shaking as well.


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Re: OT: Happy Birthday Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.

[P. J. Alling]

There are many corollaries to Murphy's law, they all boil down to 
Reality is a Bitch, and People, are at best, fallible, some more than 
other's.



On 1/14/2018 11:20 AM, John wrote:
Rob Studdert pointed out the Ig Nobel Prize in the "Multiple ... group 
photo" thread, which led me to the Improbable Research blog.


January 11, 2018 was Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th 
Birthday. He was a joint recipient of the 2003 Ig Nobel Prize for 
engineering along with his colleague Captain John Paul Stapp.


https://www.improbable.com/2018/01/10/the-100th-birthday-of-murphy-the-murphy-of-murphys-law/ 



https://tinyurl.com/yc9zqjc7

Because (of course) the long URL line-wrapped.



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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[P. J. Alling]

But Cotty, most people wouldn't do it with a hacksaw...


On 1/14/2018 5:50 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:


I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I
just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal
photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes,

ditto



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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Ann, Large groups, flash will be at distance, out doors  it is just to 
get the twinkle in the eye, indoors the flash is not very strong or with 
large diffuser like umbrella, modern sensors see much more light than 
the human eye! No worries about poor eyes! Greetz, Jos


On 14-Jan-18 01:04, ann sanfedele wrote:

Jos,

I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this is 
NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones!

If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please...

Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better to 
up your ISO


ann

On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises:

 * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER!
 * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly
 * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes
   otherwise there will be a shadow on your face
 * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or
   compliments)

Greetz, Jos


On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo.
Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set,
I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given 
moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ...
So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and 
another one for another person...



So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number 
of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where 
everybody is OK.
When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to 
take an extra (or two). So,

for 1 person:  1+1 (or 1+2) photos.
For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 
(or 2+2).

...

One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)...
But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual 
bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one 
person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close 
to 10 and above.
The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but 
I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where 
N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo 
where everybody looks fine.


Ghm...

Igor













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Re: OT: Happy Birthday Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.

[Bob W-PDML]

Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th Birthday.

Is he related to Major Major from Catch-22?



On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:21, John 
> wrote:

Rob Studdert pointed out the Ig Nobel Prize in the "Multiple ... group photo" 
thread, which led me to the Improbable Research blog.

January 11, 2018 was Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th Birthday. He 
was a joint recipient of the 2003 Ig Nobel Prize for engineering along with his 
colleague Captain John Paul Stapp.

https://www.improbable.com/2018/01/10/the-100th-birthday-of-murphy-the-murphy-of-murphys-law/

https://tinyurl.com/yc9zqjc7

Because (of course) the long URL line-wrapped.

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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Chris Mitchell]

Nice bike and lovely atmospheric shots.

Chris

On 14 January 2018 at 07:53, Subash Jeyan  wrote:

> so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding
> it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken
> with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it
> remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :))
>
> https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides
>
> thanks for looking,
>
> ~subash
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Re: NOT HAPPY!

[Mat Maessen]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:02 AM, John  wrote:

>
> I had to dig out my last spare, brand new in the box, Genuine IBM  Model M
> keyboard to replace it.
>

You can wash a genuine IBM Type M in a dishwasher. Just make sure you don't
use a heated drying cycle.

Let it air-dry for several days before trying to use it again.

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OT: Happy Birthday Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.

[John]

Rob Studdert pointed out the Ig Nobel Prize in the "Multiple ... group 
photo" thread, which led me to the Improbable Research blog.


January 11, 2018 was Captain Captain Edward A. Murphy Jr.'s 100th 
Birthday. He was a joint recipient of the 2003 Ig Nobel Prize for 
engineering along with his colleague Captain John Paul Stapp.


https://www.improbable.com/2018/01/10/the-100th-birthday-of-murphy-the-murphy-of-murphys-law/

https://tinyurl.com/yc9zqjc7

Because (of course) the long URL line-wrapped.

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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

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> On 14 Jan 2018, at 11:51, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> 
> http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/10/06/1752039.htm
> 

The prize for medicine was well-deserved that year. I wonder how they figured 
that out, whether it was the theoreticians who first proposed it, or the 
experimentalists in a moment of diaphragmatic desperation.



> 
>> On 14 January 2018 at 21:50, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I
>>> just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal
>>> photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes,
>> 
>> ditto
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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

[Rob Studdert]

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/10/06/1752039.htm



On 14 January 2018 at 21:50, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I
>>just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal
>>photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes,
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Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)

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On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I
>just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal
>photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes,

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Re: OT GESO: bike ride on a foggy day (3 photos)

[Bob W-PDML]

Beautiful shots, very atmospheric. I particularly like the first, showing off 
the new bike.

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 07:51, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> so i got my custom steel bike a month or so back and have been riding
> it quite regularly. a few photos taken during today's long ride, taken
> with my cell phone. it was an unually foggy day and, unusually, it
> remained like that till about 8 am (i start my long rides 4.30-ish :))
> 
> https://500px.com/subashjeyan/galleries/aurovelo-rides
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